Tillman Battleships - Guide 073 (Extended Special - NB)

[@DaveMcKeegan]

British with the G3: "We've designed a battlecruiser that you would easily mistake for a super battleship" Americans: "We've designed a battleship that you could easily mistake for the Maginot line with a rudder"

[@bigships]

Yeah you could easily go around it as well

[@reynaldoangnged1864]

@@bigships Yeah but the guns are pointed at ya... 😅

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

...all the time 😈

[@JamesF0790]

@@reynaldoangnged1864Imagine the traverse time on those things.

[@bigships]

@@reynaldoangnged1864speed my friend

[@Nick-rs5if]

"19-inches of belt armour..." >looking at my 19-inch secondary display >tilting head for better view "That is indeed a lot of armour."

[@imanin9972]

lol

[@Ushio01]

Tillman 1 - ALL THE ARMOUR Tillman 2 - ALL THE GUNS Tillman 3 - SPEEEEED Tillman 4 - ALL THE ARMOUR AND ALL THE GUNS Tillman 4-1 - EVEN BIGGER GUNS Tillman 4-2 - EVEN MORE OF THE BIGGER GUNS

[@EzioDeCreeper]

Tillman 5 - A single front firing superlaser capable of destroying a planet.

[@merafirewing6591]

Space Battleship Yamato kills Tillman 5 with wave motion gun.

[@EuelBall]

Read this in a plummy, BBC narrator's voice, Circa 1950's: "And here, we see the design plans for the so-called 'Tillman' type of American Super-Dreadnaught. Considering the size, firepower, armor, speed, sheer expense, and demented hubris displayed here, the only explanation possible was to remember that this was in an era where *both* cocaine and opiates were legal, and commonly available..."

[@jamesthespacemarine3269]

Imagine if 4-2 was in world of warships

[@stevevernon1978]

Joe Cool, so? they would be on either side of any battle.

[@invincibleadmiral]

Tillman Battleships=when you have researched all the tech and built your docks to maximum size in Rule the Waves and the game hasn't ended yet so, you're bored and go into the ship design screen and say,"Well, what's the biggest and most insane thing I can design and build?"

[@whyamihereseriouslyineedan7567]

Considering I play on Fleet Size Largest, its insane what I build at the end

[@RG-fc7ht]

Wait till they add the missile launchers in the second... Because Tillman like battleships need more firepower.

[@space__idklmao]

I wish we had 140000 ton ships.

[@SeadogCVA41hal3]

Crazy yes but you have to admit deep down inside I think everyone watching this channel would have loved to have seen a Tillman built

[@wstavis3135]

No, they really don't.

[@SeadogCVA41hal3]

@@wstavis3135 Okay, everyone but you

[@reynaldoangnged1864]

Imagine if it was built (Tillman 4-2 or even 3), deployed & seen combat, survived the war as museum ship, only to be reactivated and & converted as either guided missile battleship (guns also fire missiles), or battlecarrier (replace 3 rear turrets with hangar & flight deck space for marine harriers, f-35Bs; & some seahawks & seastallions) Or even a chimera-esque "guided-missile battlecarrier" triple hybrid (just a battlecarrier but with missiles stored between hangar space and smoke stacks)

[@SeadogCVA41hal3]

Go big or stay at home

[@cliffordljacksonjr8020]

I WOULD HAVE.

[@Maddog3060]

"Why don't you build these?" "Because, senator, there is not enough steel in the world to support hubris of that magnitude."

[@EzioDeCreeper]

Not with that attitude there isnt. Melt down all the rest of the fleet and build me a deathstar !

[@weldonwin]

Japanese Admiral: We can't repel firepower of that magnitude!

[@patrickmcleod111]

@@EzioDeCreeper It's tough to get banks to grant loans for giant battlestations these days. It's not it was in 2006, when Wells Fargo loaned me 200 quadrillion dollars to build 16 Star Trek Deep Space 9 stations! I tried to get a $280,000,000,000,000,000 loan for a small fleet of 4 Battlestar Galactica battlestars, but they turned me down! My credit rating is 695 too! I think that part of the problem was that my collateral was only equal to about $358,000,000,000,000. It's invested in real estate, stocks/bonds, but mostly unopened Cabbage Patch Kid dolls. It's tough to get a 280 quadrillion dollar loan, when you've ONLY got 358 trillion dollars in assets to back it up..... I even offered to liquify $300,000,000,000,000 of it immediately, by selling off 7 of my most valuable Cabbage Patch dolls, but alas, that wasn't good enough.... *sigh*

[@michalsoukup1021]

@@weldonwin put a proton torpedo in it, and it will sink just as any other ship...

[@DickCheneyXX]

Who do we have to invade to get it done?

[@neilwilson5785]

When I was about ten, I would draw ships like these, with 24 guns. And giant aircraft with 200 machine guns. I approve, and will fund it.

[@briananthony4044]

Me too, I used to draw Battleship schematics, and submarines. Lol

[@aidanwitbeck4496]

Hey I thought I was the only one to do that Guess not

[@Slades_Garage]

Lol same

[@Bobert2020]

And it would be a side profile since I can't draw symmetrically.

[@interdictr3657]

@@Bobert2020thats it! Also I had to add a few dropsaw blades and flame throwers :D

[@jebsails2837]

I worked for the "US water (aka Navy) Department" for 20+ years. I can tell you that the more ridiculous your future project request for funding is, the more likely it is to be approved!

[@BobSmith-dk8nw]

"We're thinking Outside The Box!!!!" .

[@marseldagistani1989]

@@BobSmith-dk8nw like a Double hulled Battleship?

[@BobSmith-dk8nw]

@@marseldagistani1989 Eh ... not battleships but they did have some catamaran designs. kzbin.info?search_query=navy+catamaran .

[@valhalanguardsman2588]

OK, but did anyone suggested a Tillman design nowadays?

[@stefanb.8462]

@@valhalanguardsman2588 only with 20" railguns

[@eric24567]

"USS Compensation" and "Senator Tillman then did everyone a favor by dying"... this is pure comedy gold LOL

[@TheBelrick]

I actually think that this statement was sociopathic and disgusting. wishing a grand visionary death? sick.

[@daleeasternbrat816]

Useful function. 'Show me the biggest monsrer that will fit through the Panama Canal that we can build with the current state of the art". The Iowas would be battlecruisers by comparison. The Yamatos too.

[@stoutyyyy]

Bel Rick It’s not related to ships but Tillman was incredibly racist even by contemporary standards, and literally defended lynching on the senate floor. So no, fuck him.

[@TheBelrick]

@@stoutyyyy 1/3 of lynching victims were white. do you recall that or because you are a white hating racist you dont care?

[@stoutyyyy]

Bel Rick you got a source on that number? Also, I’m white. I don’t hate my own race, bud.

[@WyvernApalis]

This during war be like Enemy: *captain there's a island up ahead- WAIT ITS SHOOTING AT US*

[@weldonwin]

"That's no island.... its a Warship" "It can't be, its too big to be a Warship"

[@NothingXemnas]

Island: fires a salvo Enemy ship: "huh, suddenly its a solar eclipse?"

[@Nick-rs5if]

"Captain, there's an island up ahead." "That can't be, we're miles out at sea. Check the maps" "The island seems to be... turning, captain..." "What do you mean "it's turning" ?" *Guns roaring in the distance* "O.O" "O.O"

[@nitsu2947]

@@weldonwin *Fort Drum intensifies*

[@jacobwerner274]

@@Nick-rs5if the island is erupting

[@barleysixseventwo6665]

Each and every one of these designs would have been glorious in their impracticality. Imagine 24 16" Guns! You could have the forward and rear fire directors shooting at two totally separate targets with their respective turrets and still have a firepower advantage over almost any battleship.

[@michaelminch5490]

That monster could've taken on Yamato's entire Ten-Go force single-handed.

[@josecolon2717]

@@michaelminch5490 so could a Fletcher class destroyer

[@ed_darktrooper1883]

@@josecolon2717 no it couldnt

[@josecolon2717]

@@ed_darktrooper1883 I mean it already historically has… it was quite the battle Taffy 3 vs Center force at Leyte gulf USS Johnston fought so hard that it more or less convinced Yamato that it was outgunned by something it couldn’t fight. To this day it is the single greatest example of naval valor and proof that skill of crew beats pure tonnage

[@bkjeong4302]

@@josecolon2717 The reason for Centre Force being scared off at Samar has much more to do with air attacks from the CVEs (which, aside from the initial strikes that took off with whatever the planes had loaded, did actually come with aerial torpedoes and other legitimately dangerous weapons) than with the last stand of the tin cans; in fact, the two biggest Japanese losses during that engagement (Suzuya and Chokai) came from air attacks-as it turns out, Chokai’s torpedo tubes never exploded on deck (her wreck was found in 2019), disproving the idea White Plains hit her oxygen torpedoes with her 5” gun, and logs from the CVEs involved in the battle indicate that both of these Japanese cruisers were bombed to destruction. Furthermore, these air attacks came not only from Taffy 3, but Taffy 1 and 2 as well, meaning that the number of aircraft involved in the battle was actually rather significant. The destroyers (and one DE) fought heroically, but it really only bought time for the CVEs, which the destroyers knew about and intended all along. It was a sacrificial charge, not an attempt to win the battle on their own. They did not, and likely couldn’t have, won Samar on their own without the CVEs providing invaluable air support and being the deciding factor, even accounting for the fact the Japanese mistakenly used AP shells that passed through them without detonating. And the Japanese assumed Johnston was a cruiser-they overestimated her, but they were never under the impression she was something they couldn’t fight.

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Imagine the amount of quad bofors you could mount on these lol.

[@Shaun_Jones]

It could have stopped the Pearl Harbor attack by itself

[@murderouskitten2577]

Sweden would be a VERY happy country to build that amount of boffors for it :D ( or license )

[@MarkiusFox]

All of them, and all the 5"/38 caliber guns too. Especially with Tillman IV-I, ditch the two midships turrets and fill the space with AA of all the sizes.

[@85gamingwot55]

To many

[@Deadeye313]

*slaps ship* Salesman: "This baby can hold all the bofors."

[@annofan-jz7dq]

8x20 inch rifles. Why bother sinking the Japanese navy if you can sink Japan.

[@rinjaniii326]

tamenga88 Isnt that supposed to be an Izumo class? I heard from somewhere that it was the very first rendition of Yamato, until they decided to turn those hulls for CVs instead. Also theyre armed with 12 16" guns instead of 20" lmao. Whered you even heard of 20" inch guns in naval warfare? :p

[@commietommy2643]

anno 2070 fan 22 a

[@jebise1126]

there was sort of plan for super tirpitz too... but such ships would only be nice target practice for torpedo bombers

[@jbspencer77]

Look up the german H45 specs, 2000 ft long, 627000 tons, 8x35" guns.... yeah makes these look reasonable.

[@greatwarships2758]

@@jbspencer77 Was the h45 an actual design plan in the H series of battleships? Or does it end at h44?

[@thebudgieadmiral5140]

Man I love these. 26 guns. 8x20 inch rifles. There is "over" in "lover", "lie" in "believe", "hell" in "hello". But there is no "sane" in "barrel count"!!!

[@asheer9114]

Heh.. that insane amount of heavy guns on a ship able to cross Panama Channel?... one full broadside and everyone would looking at her bottom after whole ship would stop spinning around... There's a valid reason why Yamato was so wide despite caring only 9 18 inches, because her designers known the risk which would come from firing full broadside salvo if ship would be too "slim". As much as that Tillman's BB design was "crazy"... still the Gold Cup holder in category of insane neverweres will be Germany's Leviathan H 45 with her 800 mm guns... which would make Yamato looking like standard battleship >.

[@peterson7082]

+Asheer > *_"... still the Gold Cup holder in category of insane neverweres will be Germany's Leviathan H 45 with her 800 mm guns..."_* That's post-war fiction. The _H-44_ was envision to have 50.8cm. guns.

[@Colonel_Overkill]

Needs more guns.....

[@mongomoonbladder8023]

There's "cunt" in "count" but you have to hunt around for it.

[@johnparrish9215]

I have to admit, part of me wishes they had built just one.

[@psikogeek]

Would even one have been enough of a deterrent to prevent WW2? Not an idle question. The aggressors despaired the costs of a naval arms race with the engine of the world. Maybe a Tillman would have been the price of peace.

[@jamesricker3997]

John Parrish you will eventually see one in World of Warships

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

When the game was in Beta WG stated that they are aware of the ships and other giant BB designs and implementation would be "someday"

[@adriantaylor4716]

Had there been no Washington Naval Treaty, the G3 Battlecruisers launched and the N3 Battleships laid down by the British then almost certainly your wish would have been granted. The G3's would have kept out of their way and gone for everything else, the N3's and the South Dakota's would have slugged it out between them. With the tillman Battleships and the Lexington's sensibly turned into Aircraft Carriers the USN would have dominated the seas. However building all these ships would have wrecked both the British and American finances so perhaps the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty saved us both in the end. Pity after that once the escalator clauses were triggered after the Japanese failed to sign the various naval treaties in the 1930's that the British didn't go back to building the G3's using updated construction techniques and propulsion systems.

[@TheTrueAdept]

Actually, the Royal Navy (and every other navy on the entire planet for that matter) rightly feared the USN because it had the second largest or largest genuine economy (yeah, by 1900 Imperial GERMANY had the largest genuine economy on the planet alongside being the second center of scientific development while the US was a VERY close second) on the PLANET and it wasn't doing much with that economy. The worst fear of the Royal Navy was the USN saying 'fuck it' and go full-on maximum every ship type mode and go full steam ahead on building a fleet that out massed, out gunned, and OUT NUMBERED the Royal Navy at LEAST two to one. The US's shipbuilding capability was outright SCARY back then. ... that is until the super-heavy shells were developed which pretty much rendered armor obsolete in a gun-platform.

[@N0rdman]

"Talk softly and carry a big stick". I think I found Teddy's ultimate stick!

[@willrogers3793]

Less ‘stick’ than ‘entire tree’, but yeah.

[@72virginians41]

@@willrogers3793 Specifically a redwood

[@imouse3246]

I would like to see the planning for loading those sextuplet turrets. The horror, the horror.

[@josephglatz25]

A place for engineers and later mechanics to dance forever to the masochism tango.

[@TheNecromancer6666]

Imagine the face of a highseas fleet or grandfleet officer on a König or Iron Duke seeing that thing lumbering towards him.

[@許進曾]

@@TheNecromancer6666 They would probably been screaming internally.

[@tic-tac9323]

@@許進曾 I would just probably scuttle my ship. I wouldnt even try

[@許進曾]

@@tic-tac9323 sure

[@connormclernon26]

Tillman IV: Tillman Harder

[@greatwarships2758]

It's the maximum, maximum battleship

[@connormclernon26]

Great Warships yup

[@85gamingwot55]

Tillman 4 1 Tillman with a vengeance

[@EuelBall]

The Tillman Designs: Battleships turned up *past* 11, to 13...

[@weldonwin]

When America went full Ork in the search for *MOAR DAKKA!!!*

[@claypidgeon4807]

Imagine the looks on the Navy’s faces if the Tillman’s had been approved in that meeting and suddenly they were expected to build several of the things...

[@murderouskitten2577]

that would be GLORIUS !

[@mikhailiagacesa3406]

Germany's H-class...

[@charlieaustin2818]

I very much enjoyed this tutorial sir. I’m an American and frankly never heard of these plans drawn up for the Senator. Thank you for sharing.

[@keenanmcbreen7073]

24x16"50cal Assuming it could fire the later 2700 pounder ap shells, than is a MIND BOGGLING broadside

[@Shaun_Jones]

No, probably just the standard 16s

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@Shaun_Jones They would probably get fitted with the Mk7s eventually, even if it means mounting them in twins...

[@benlaskowski357]

64,800 pounds. Thirty-two-point-four tons. You are throwing four cement trucks at a target. With cement.

[@bfrobin446]

@@TheTrueAdept Since the Mk 7 gun was lighter than the previous 16"/50 (due to not being able to fit three of the older guns on the Iowa class's turret ring) it should have been possible to convert older turrets gun-for-gun to Mk 7 guns. On the other hand, it would probably be cheaper to convert the existing stocks of Mk2/Mk3 guns to fire the new shells and use those first in the ships that could accommodate them.

[@gmradio2436]

Dumb question. What about the recoil? I assume that "shake the seas" is appropriate, but would is make the ship list?

[@loganb7059]

Imagine if an eccentric trillionaire decided to build one of these. “Don’t let the flame die out!”

[@randomuser5443]

If I become a billionaire, I’ll put my money on that

[@HaydenLau.]

@@randomuser5443 You don't need to be a trillionaire to build that

[@tieck4408]

Until some enterprising scap dealer lobs a football sized at it.

[@BobSmith-dk8nw]

Good thing Elon Musk got interested in space ships ... .

[@MUSIC7052]

@@BobSmith-dk8nw spaaaaace tilllllmaaaaaaaaaann.... lets counquer mars :D

[@_.Glennicus._]

I'm actually rewatching this after a long time and..... I'm realizing just how much Drachinifel seemed to regret doing this video as his tone of voice during certain parts was like "dear god no, why do these ships exist"

[@wagoneer81]

Sometime back, I built a 1/700 waterline master of a basic, Tillman hull and cast 6 copies in resin. One of these days, I'll get around to building them into the six known Tillman designs. This is a very informative guide with all the information I need, in one convenient place. Thanks!

[@merafirewing6591]

Please make some models that need to be assembled together.

[@peterschorn1]

It's like the designers eventually started making fun of Tillman. In a language he didn't understand (naval architecture).

[@murderouskitten2577]

to bad congres did not join them , by aproving them for constrution :D

[@lonnyyoung4285]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they were doing. "Let's see how realistically stupid we can make these before Sen. Tillman realizes what we are doing."

[@David-kr7fx]

who cares about the Panama canal, with a ship like this you could just blast a bigger one

[@thatonewaguy7841]

and they did

[@gabrielnascimento1021]

Behold the Mexico Canal

[@erichammond9308]

Gotta give kudos for the use of a Rowan Atkinson moment at 7:15! Making military history fun! The best history teacher I ever had cracked jokes all through class and when the class took a test you'd hear scattered giggles as students remembered the jokes associated with the correct answers.

[@RadioactiveSherbet]

10:35 I about lost it. It sounds like the original designers basically obliged Tillman simply as a way of metaphorically beating him over the head with the idea. You're a comedian, btw. Well done! Subscribed.

[@connormclernon26]

Kurtis Boyer well Tillman was kind of an asshole soooo....

[@RadioactiveSherbet]

I actually have to wonder how Tillman himself reacted to those plans when he was first presented with them.

[@connormclernon26]

Kurtis Boyer probably after the Navy gave the polite version of “f you.”

[@chrisgentry2217]

That hilarious

[@tonyjanney1654]

I read an article about this topic. I gather Sen. Tillman was a bit of a jerk. However, he was a Senator and could make life miserable for Naval staffers. The article indicated the Navy was just coming up with these designs to placate Tillman. I imagined Naval personnel returning from a meeting with Tillman and telling designers Tillman wasn't satisfied. I imagined a naval designer saying "Oh yeah? Then hold my beer and watch this!"

[@jeffreyskoritowski4114]

Japan: We have Godzilla. America: We have a Tillman. Japan: Take our Geishas just don't hurt us.

[@murderouskitten2577]

every time i feel sad ( witch is once every two months ) i play this video , and all problems go away. Your maner of presentation is pure gold , jokes are superb :) This particilar video just makes my day brighter .

[@homefront1999]

I could never be In charge of budgets for the USN. Everytime they'd bring In these new designs and asked for money, I'd always say yes. Honestly, Imagine how badass these would've been In WW2 even.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

They would be pretty cool to dream about but aren't really powerful ships in the WW2 era. Having bunch of guns mean nothing if they can't pen. Sure 16 and 18" seems powerful, but think of it like the Colorado. Those 16" guns struggle against newer WW2 battleships despite being of a larger caliber gun. Same with Tillman, the design of those 16" guns are simply out-dated for WW2. The large size and poor maneuverability would be food for planes too.

[@Kieselmeister]

@@neurofiedyamato8763 The 16"/L50 mk1 guns that were prepared for the WW1 era scrapped South Dakota class (which is effectively a finalized version of one of the more realistic tillmans) actually have superior ballistic performance to the lighter mk7 guns that were eventually fitted to the Iowas, and were in fact the original intended armament of the Iowa's before they realized that they were too big. The only factor that would prevent the 1916 mk1 guns from outperforming the 1940 mk7 is their ammunition handling spaces. The contemporary colorado's weren't able to fit the larger mk8 superheavy shells into their ammunition elevators, and thus had lower performance to the otherwise identically performing guns fitted to the North Carolinas and South Dakotas. The 1929 South Dakota's (and thus any tillman) may have had the same problem.

[@bkjeong4302]

In WWII they would never get to do much because the carriers would kill enemy BBs before they even got to open fire.

[@randomuser5443]

Germany, Britain, Russia, and Japan would float over to the US and fire everything just to see if the US should handle their navies

[@bkjeong4302]

Neurofied Yamato By that point battleships in general were prey for carriers, even those with good AA would be left unable to fight back due to the distances involved in carrier warfare. The only right thing to do in the 1930s was to stop building battleships....but nobody listened.

[@rvanleersum]

You can tell Sen. Tillman had an eye for big ships and big guns.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

And he had another eye for...oh wait.

[@stevemc01]

And he had an eye that didn't even face straight.

[@1977Yakko]

So basically there's a good reason a Nimitz class carrier is named after Sen. Vinson and not Tillman.

[@loganvanderwier8866]

also he was very much a racist, even for his time.

[@brainletmong6302]

@@loganvanderwier8866 Very important and relevant detail to the design of naval warships, thank you for pointing it out!

[@Snp2024]

@@brainletmong6302 he is talking about naming not design

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@loganvanderwier8866 Even white supremacists and formal confederate generals thought he was too extreme (he outright said that the whites needed to be ready to commit Black Genocide if they didn’t submit)

[@10Tabris01]

@@brainletmong6302 Not necessarily important to the design of military vessels, but very important to being honoured by having one named after you

[@AlternativePractice]

This was not ridiculous This was a chance at greatness

[@rudolfschrenk9411]

Hmm, these Tillman ships look pretty small compared to the worlds largest commercial ships like the Mont (260.000 GT, 1500 ft long). I think he was not crazy, he just tried to get a look at a ship which would not get outdated within one decade by newer and larger ships. Once a ship is large enough, you can update it and keep it for a very long time just like the Iowa class and the Nimitz class.

[@toasterbathboi6298]

I know they’re impractical, but my god do I wish these things were built. They’re just so beautiful, in more ways than one.

[@jlvfr]

6 16" guns. In one turret. The mind boggles...

[@camrsr5463]

Plan Z ...TEXAS STYLE!

[@randomuser5443]

When you don’t want to be out dicked

[@ericstauffer4219]

plan Z with BBQ

[@gernhard.reinholdsen]

Plan Z with sufficient dock capacities so you can actually implement it. Except it's enlarged by so much, that your dock capacities are insufficient again.

[@mrmiz4372]

It was my impression that the genesis of Tillman's requests were not only that the size and cost of U.S. battleships kept increasing but also that there constant cost overruns as well. As a result of this, Tillman asked them for the biggest they could come up with to try and get an upper limit of what appropriations would be needed.

[@matthewrobinson4323]

Wow!!! Surely they drew up those plans in order to mock and ridicule Senator Tillman. Absolutely loved the video!

[@alexhunt7810]

Senator Tillman effectively being the Karen of naval construction.

[@kyleglenn2434]

Tillman battleships, steam punk star destroyers on water!

[@randomuser5443]

You mean, the OG

[@absalomdraconis]

Now, just imagine: what if the designers had a fancy for those circular _Tsarist_ ships when Tillman came around? Steam-punk Death Star, anyone?

[@weldonwin]

Its really more Diesel Punk, anything WW1 and beyond is really Diesel Punk rather than Steam Punk

[@sudeshnad1]

H-45: hello?

[@mauser98kar]

24 16" guns. If it fires its guns in succession, the first gun would reload when the last one would fire, thus creating a non-stop DAKKA.

[@rohmen6]

18" belt armor - "Less battleship, more floating block of steel" - LOL

[@barrybend7189]

The USS Dragonslayer.

[@allancarey2604]

Would love to see a vid on the Scrap Iron Flotilla (The V & W Class destroyers of the Royal Australian Navy during WW2)

[@merafirewing6591]

Imagine the WW2 refits these battleships would've had.

[@matthewyang7893]

All the Bofors!

[@ThatWelshGuy.]

​​@@matthewyang7893*ALL THE 20 MILIMETRE!*

[@matthewyang7893]

@@ThatWelshGuy. How much AA do you want on this ship? Yes.

[@ThatWelshGuy.]

@@matthewyang7893 i mean we fo t need as mucb belt armor right? We can remove som of that wait for 40mm right?

[@matthewyang7893]

@@ThatWelshGuy. well if she is going to get better engines and a torpedo bulge I doubt they’d go through the trouble of additionally removing all that plating

[@LucioFercho]

The Yamurican? The Yankeemato? YANKEEMATOOOOOO!!!! XD

[@micnorton9487]

Fuckin Yankeemato,, I LOVE IT!

[@micnorton9487]

Or the "Texamato",, you know, the official name of what every non Navy person would UNOFFICIALLY be called the U.S.S. Overcompensation ...

[@bkjeong4302]

This thing is so stupidly bigger than the Yamato (and outguns it by far) that it really needs a new name.

[@micnorton9487]

@@bkjeong4302 .. you mean a new DESIGNATION?... Hmm... Yeah almost like "USS Fort Sumter" or something lol,, call them "Floating Firebase" or whatever....

[@bkjeong4302]

Mic Norton Lol. Yeah that may be better

[@michaelminch5490]

I would really like to see a Tillman IV (your choice) vs Yamato or maybe even present at the Battle of Samar "What If" video. Just for the sheer hell of it.

[@jamespaulsen3014]

And here we have the perfect counter to the Russian Battleship line (when it arrives) in World of Warships.......Da comrade we had working Rail Guns in 1935 ;-)

[@GrumpyGrobbyGamer]

Love the tone, love the information, love that these were never built

[@robertwokosin1293]

I've always wanted to see the two Gustav's mounted in the ultimate battleship,800 mm guns,fore and aft,reload machinery midships.

[@albertoswald8461]

More like a Monitor than a battleship if you ask me!

[@monsieurcommissaire1628]

That's hilarious! What kind of ship would be needed to carry 2 X Schwerer Gustav guns...?

[@vikkimcdonough6153]

@@monsieurcommissaire1628 All of it.

[@Straswa]

Great vid Drach! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Tillmans.

[@jimtalbott9535]

Tillman IV was the Death Star of it's day.

[@greglucas1497]

Your scripting and video snippets included, made this presentation spectacular and low key sarcastic. I enjoyed this presentation. Two thumbs up.

[@Balmung60]

Tillman 4-2 is basically the meta superheavy battleship in HOI4 after the Man the Guns DLC

[@herrvorragend882]

Awesome commentary, especially when you could not hide your giggle :)

[@nobodyuknow2490]

The new extended US battleship tech tree in World of Warships... Starting at: tier 11 with the Tillman 3, very nearly an "I win button" it pretty much shrugs off most things that it will face tier 12 Tillman 4, this is the ship that says "I'm taking A cap" and means it as if he's going to get a drink from the fridge... tier 13 Tillman 4-1, against this ship you will be weighed, and you will be measured, and you will be found wanting... tier 14 the Tillman 4-2, the friendly team is reduced to only 5 ships but the Tillman 4-2 is equal to the 10 that were lost ^_^

[@vk45de54]

They can make it t10 and "balance" it with a 72s reload and 180s turrent traverse.

[@nobodyuknow2490]

To hell with that noise! This is MURIKA!!! MOAR DAKKA!

[@asheer9114]

Lol... and then H-45 show up in enemy's team. >:)

[@nobodyuknow2490]

@@asheer9114 Well, there was no actual proper design past the H44, but the Hitler-masterbatory idea was floated of putting eight of the 800mm cannons used in the Schwerer Gustav and Schwerer Dora on a preposterously large battleship... The problem would be that it would literally take an hour to load a shell and they only ever had the two barrels to begin with made by Krupp, so good luck with that part of the design... There were of course no drydocks in the world capable of building a ship large enough to be even close to mounting one of those guns much less eight, and finally there is the minor issue of Germany not having anywhere near the industrial capacity to even finish the Bismarck twins sufficiently to deploy them and an actual surface fleet around them, much less any of the other H-class ships... In comparison, the Tillman maximum battleships were basically only a problem of allocating the funds rather than the actual capacity and wherewithal to realize them.

[@asheer9114]

I known H-45 background way too well, but I was talking in WoWs terms not reality. On the other hand even for WoWs standards, implementing H-45 would be an overkill on epic proportions...

[@kokofan50]

No one has ever accused Americans of thinking small.

[@christianoutlaw]

I get the feeling if the Yamato’s specs had been know the Montana class might have seen 4-2 become a reality. And I agree with the USS Compensation being the better name; her sister ship should have been USS Overkill. Beyond that ... well I think even getting two ships like that would be unlikely; three is just inconceivable. Hmm wait, there we go. With 4 if they actually lay down that hull as USS Please Stop Now

[@benvandermerwe4934]

One of your best ever, Monty Python class presentation. Thanks for the great series, I have a stack of battleship books in my toilet bookshelf.

[@bobbyferg9173]

9:40 “Senator Tillman then did everyone a favor by dying in 1918” After watching the Extra Credits video that featured Tillman, I’d say that’s a pretty accurate statement

[@seanarano4754]

Agreed

[@mdtdragon]

Damn, one of the most entertaining programs to date

[@BastuGubbar]

hey wargaming, how about a tier 11 battleship premium?

[@pg1171]

They wouldn't be any better to play than any of the one's now in the game. The fact that it has mostly become a pay to win, along with a bunch of screwy ideas on WoWs part. There are three of us that work together, who have stopped playing on account of it being such a grind. We are not novices of 'noobs'. We have been playing for way over a year, and are up to, at the highest, tier 10, level 15. We aren't stupid either. We've played too many battles for too long. It's just not fun to play anymore. It has become work. I already do that at least 8 hours a day. So many have offered their own putdowns, but I don't care. I'm tired of having to work at something. I do expect to be offered a challenge, possibly a pretty hard one, but when you have worked to max out your ship, and still can't win based on skill, it isn't fun anymore. WoWs has padded it's own ships with every little thing that isn't allowed on player ships. Possibly going as far as to take control of enemy ships during co-op and personally fighting you on a one on one level. I have noticed a difference in ship behavior, especially in co-op, when my team is winning. Sometimes, an AI ship will actually run into an island. What AI ship is going to get into a circling, slug it out, battle with a human? I have encountered this several times. I'm just done with pay to win games...If I can't fight my way up, there is no reason to play.

[@redshirt5126]

There are hardly any tier 9 premiums let alone tier 11............. ..........and if there was it would be Russian.

[@pg1171]

That would be interesting though, if set up as the game was 2 years ago...

[@sse_weston4138]

Damn pg1171, you ever heard of a sarcastic joke?

[@mrridley8967]

SS E_Weston they do not exist on the internet

[@samstewart4807]

Fascinating! I never knew about any of this.

[@aliaslisabeth1031]

Just imagine how the Royal Navy would have reacted if the U.S. Navy had actually laid down one of those 18 inch gun monsters, a ship that outclassed everything in the Grand Fleet, and then some! A "Super-Duper-Duper Dreadnought." Not so funny then!

[@VersusARCH]

With submarines I guess

[@jchapman8248]

Those Brits would not have liked that at all! Imagine the audacity of the upstart Americans challenging their naval supremacy? I'd suspect some misfortune (explosion or collision) would've befallen the ship (likely at the hands of British intrigue). Yeah, I'd suspect the British would have none of that!

[@spartanalex9006]

The Brits probably would have given their naval designers more booze and narcotics and told them to go wild. Not even God could predict what they would design then.

[@jb76489]

VersusARCH the British weren’t big on subs back then

[@joehayes9933]

@@spartanalex9006 HMS By Jove MK2

[@hanbyeouljang6756]

No joke when he showed the 2nd tillman Battleship i spit out my water

[@juicemeister1984]

imagine a midway-class carrier completely covered in bofors. the smoke would have been insane.

[@nathanokun8801]

Note that the US Navy DID manufacture a single 18"/45 gun for test purposes just prior to the Washington Naval Treaty of 1923 being approved, which killed all of these very expensive battleship design competitions with the US, Japan, France, Italy, and UK designing ships with similarly large gunnery. The US got the COLORADO Class, the UK got the NELSON Class, the Japanese got the NAGATO Class, while the French, who did design a 17.7" (45cm) gun, and Italians did not enlarge their ships much at the time (Germany, of course, was out of this competition and Russia was not capable of such major undertakings due to the Bolshevik Revolution). The US gun was not tested at this time as an 18" gun, but had an extra length of barrel screwed onto its end and was relined as a 16" super-high-velocity (for the time) gun, which it was tested as. It was retired in the middle of the 1930s until the start of WWII, when it was taken out of mothballs, the extension sliced off and a new, modern-type 18" liner put back into what was now only a 42-caliber gun called the Mark "A". During WWII, it fired 3300-lb dummy shells simulating High Capacity shells (nose- and base-fuzed shore-bombardment ammo) and an experimental "B-2" design of a 3800-lb armor-piercing shell (AP, here with both a thin hollow pointed windscreen and a thick hardened AP cap) of an enlarged US 2700-lb 16" Mark 8 AP shell type. Samples of the shells and, I believe, the gun itself is still on display at the US Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Division, Dahlgren, Virginia, originally the last US Naval Proving Ground starting in 1917. Both ranging tests and, for the AP shell, armor-piercing tests were performed with the Mark "A" gun during WWII. Thus, the US was somewhat more serious about such maximum-sized warships than it might seem.

[@Gordon519]

you mean *every battleship in from the depths*

[@connorc6293]

Gordon519 pretty much

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Nah FtD would have battleships with twice the guns, 20x the rate of fire, twice the speed and a only quarter of the size. You then slap a few lasers and missiles for good measure.

[@Pwnicus187]

plus particle cannons and swarm missiles

[@deathhog]

Ah yes, the things we can do when we don't have to account for crew, hardly anything for munitions, and have a practically unlimited budget.

[@secondlayer7898]

Still tiny in comparison to what Roma makes

[@richardcall7447]

I've actually been building the Tillman IV in Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts. I can usually sink a dozen regular size battleships with a single division, (that's 2 ships for those unfamiliar with naval fleet organization).

[@dragonflyquyn898]

A sight to behold had they built it...it would have been magnificent 🤩!!

[@spacecase13]

It's got turret placement of the front end of a Renown with a Rodney front end shoved up it's backside. With more guns. It's got more guns on it's rear than most ships has on it's front. If you turn all it's turrets to the same side it might roll right over.

[@astute9369]

Holy Mother of God, they would have been gigantic!

[@randomuser5443]

The tarcan doctorate

[@absalomdraconis]

@@randomuser5443 : Are you sure you should be describing it in the _singular?_

[@chaosincarnate9794]

Playing From the Depth right now, and now I wanna build Tillman battleships!

[@tigerterrorist79]

The fact that wargaming hasn’t added this to world of warships yet is incredible. I think Tillman 4-2 should be either a tier 8 or 9 premium or event ship

[@chrisrandom1404]

Someone needs to get Wargaming on the horn. Wows/ Wows Legends needs these.

[@SentientMattress531]

Vermont?

[@tigerterrorist79]

@@SentientMattress531ima keep it a buck 50, I put this comment up before the second line of US BB’s was released on PC wows. Plus, I was originally talking about the design with the 24 16 inch guns as a meme ship (with like a 50 second reload or sumn 😂. I forget my exact reasoning from back then as to why 4-2 should’ve been added)

[@thomasr.bartonjd7815]

the Tillman 2 design echoes the old approach of Rolls Royce car makers to talking about the horsepower on their cars. they used to say simply that Horsepower on the model was: Adequate. so in that spirit the armament of the Tillman 2 Hyper Dreadnought was simply: Adequate.

[@rvail136]

Tillman's point wasn't "incremental increases" or "parity" of foreign navies, but clear superiority. In other words, instead of equaling possible opponents, build something significantly better than anything else in the world.

[@edgardox.feliciano3127]

Like what the brits did with the HMS Dreadnaugt?

[@rvail136]

@@edgardox.feliciano3127 yes, exactly.

[@edgardox.feliciano3127]

@@rvail136 only difference being, the brits did something sensible with HMS Dreadnaught, while the americans furst snorted cocaine, then designed the Tillman.

[@pedrofelipefreitas2666]

This guy was playing ultimate admiral dreadnoughts IRL, what a madlad

[@Reddsoldier]

When you max out the amount of main guns on your SH Battleships in HOI IV.

[@aaronreyes1590]

I just bought Man the Guns, so I see what you mean

[@robgibson8387]

You can imagine a young naval architect coming up with a plan for a ship strictly for the purpose of missing this guy off

[@backinblack468]

Have you ever thought about doing pre-dreadnought ships such as the armored cruisers of 1880s or 90s?

[@jimtalbott9535]

Tillman looks like a gilded-age version of Mad-Eye Moody.

[@blastermanr6359]

Except if moody was racist x20. He was truly a terrible dude.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@blastermanr6359 Even other white supremacists and formal slave holders weren’t as racist as he was. He is the only American politician, to my knowledge, to endorse black genocide as a viable plan if circumstances “required” it

[@FLYBOY409]

Wargaming made it possible by having the Tillman 4-2 then refit it WW2 style by removing the middle turret and build a rear superstructure around it with some dual purpose 5 inchers and AA to boot thus presenting it to World of Warships as the tier 10 USN battleship USS Vermont.

[@RobLenheiser]

I am astounded. Is this really true? Crikey mate!! We Yanks are certainly impressed by bigness. I would love to have seen all of them built.

[@hittman1222]

Good stuff. Glad I found your channel

[@cheguevara7478]

Tillman: They won’t see this coming! Navy: WE’LL TAKE THE LOT

[@BlahCraft1]

Given the British G3 and N3, I don't find it implausible that in a world without the Treaty System, we could have seen very similar designs by the US Navy.

[@christianhoffmann8607]

Jesus, and i was shocked when I learned about the french quadruple turrets 😳

[@randomuser5443]

The US wanted to one up their mothers

[@Ebolson1019]

I’ve heard about that the USN is thinking of building a battleship to stick in the South China Sea to survive a Chinese first strike. What are the odds something similar to one of these gets built?

[@warriordragonify]

Imagine a 24 x16 inch broadside...

[@VersusARCH]

Something IJN Yamashiro came close to facing in the battle ofSurigao Strait.

[@nitehawk86]

This reminds me of the Bradley design scene from The Pentagon Wars.

[@NjK601]

I always kind of wondered after learning about The Great Eastern which finished construction in 1858, why Britain didn't start building larger warships based around that design idea of a corrugated steel hull, if they could find a way around the paddle wheels it could prove quite a symbol of power and a useful troop carrier being able to travel from England to Australia without stopping to pickup coal, many of its records not being surpassed till the late 19th and early 20th centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Great_Eastern "She was by far the largest ship ever built at the time of her 1858 launch, and had the capacity to carry 4,000 passengers from England to Australia without refuelling. Her length of 692 feet (211 m) was only surpassed in 1899 by the 705-foot (215 m) 17,274-gross-ton RMS Oceanic, her gross tonnage of 18,915 was only surpassed in 1901 by the 701-foot (214 m) 21,035-gross-ton RMS Celtic, and her 4,000-passenger capacity was surpassed in 1913 by the 4,935-passenger SS Imperator. "

[@jtoddjb]

I really enjoy your videos. Good stuff. thanks

[@Peter_Morris]

I guess we could’ve traded a few skyscrapers of the era for these behemoths. Assuming they weren’t lost in battle they could’ve been recycled into buildings.

[@nosaltadded2530]

My compliments on your research abilities.

[@lexmaximaguy8788]

the tillman battlewagons...oh boy.

[@lmgbros7723]

Finally, a video on these ships.

[@0Zolrender0]

The thing is you would only have to build one. The amount of enemy ships you could tie up trying to counter wherever it was stationed would have been huge. Might have been worth the one off price of building the Tillman 4.

[@willrobinson5350]

Except for the whole impossibility of being everywhere at once.

[@Mree17]

“Floating mobile block of steel.” -Drachinifel I found this video hilarious.

[@spartanalex9006]

So the design process went like this? Navy designer 1: How many weapons do you want? Navy designer 2: Yes. Naval designer 1: Now your talking.

[@majestichotwings6974]

Damn I kinda wish I could see what these would look like irl, absolutely fascinating