Tim Allen's Ford RS200 - Jay Leno's Garage

[@MF_UNDERTOW]

Tim Allen is like my friends Dad. He never remembers any details accurately but he’s always in the ballpark.

[@tristanmeadows]

he gives you a good gist of it haha

[@tuono2914]

this haha

[@yung829]

Facts bro 🤣🤣

[@MF_UNDERTOW]

@@tristanmeadows You know, that Subaru STIGPRXTKL..

[@gregscott4479]

Tim was just being respectful... he obviously knows a lot more about a car he owns than Jay. Tim is just as big of a car guy as Leno but maybe a better car guy than Leno. Leno also said this car was "fast" its not fast, its quick. Leno just doesn't know everything, he cant... but who tf questions a car guy that OWNS it? Leno IS wrong, everything Allen said was facts.

[@TimeBucks]

I could watch this every week.

[@mamtajaiswal7465]

Nice

[@NasirKhan-bh2mg]

Nive

[@victorperez3999]

Nize

[@robertjackson8728]

Noice.

[@uzzalmia5571]

Nice

[@ArtemusClydeFrog1]

It's really impressive how Tim Allen is so willing to admit that he doesn't know every gearhead detail behind his RS200. Let the haters crap on him. But a real man knows his limitations and recognizes that sometimes the strongest answer is "I don't know." Plus Tim clearly loves this car. 👍

[@GravyHucker]

I wonder if people know that you can love a car, and not have to memorize every statistic or know who the suspension designer's Wife's Uncle was? I respected that he admitted he didn't want to spout incorrect information.

[@originalforgery]

Knowing a little would be good......

[@94SexyStang]

Tim is a muscle car guy, not a rally guy....he just buys what he likes, Knowing about the car really Doesn't benefit him......he just drives it.

[@Brascofarian]

Weird how a rich guy's disinterest is impressive. It's really not hard to figure out who Cosworth are, especially in the age of the internet. I don't hate him tho, my problem is more with you being impressed by how incurious he is with his super rare car.

[@landrover4081]

Wasn't Tim a Drug Dealer who found his limitations in that arena too?

[@chrisbiewer-rallye-info]

Thank you for showing this car! I did quite a bit of research on the RS200. Even if the World Rally Championship doesn’t seem famous in North America, the RS200 was, shall I say, relative successful there. 200 cars have been made for homologation, of which some 50 have been dismantled again as spare parts for rallying. Of the remaining cars 12 made it to USA and 1 to Canada. Tim Allen’s car is # 165 of 200. I think I can offer a few interesting things that Tim Allen and Jay Leno were not too sure about: The Ford RS200s were assembled at Reliant, most famous for small 3-wheeler cars as the #ReliantRobin. This may sound very surprising. But the RS200 was designed by Ghia and engineered by Ford Motorsport UK. So for assembly the company didn’t need to be a sports car manufacturer, it needed to be someone who can run such a small production and has experience with composite materials and that made Reliant an obvious choice. While basically everything, chassis etc. was specially made for the RS200, it borrowed many parts especially from the Ford Sierra. Rear lights, windscreen, shortened doors and some dashbord panels are all from the Europen Ford Sierra, that in the USA was briefly sold as the Merkur XR4Ti. The RS200 engine indeed has nothing to do with Lotus. This is a falso information. However I can see where this misconception may come from. In World Rallying Ford used the Lotus Cortina. Next came the smaller and lighter Ford Escort RS, and despite the Lotus bit missing in its name the rally Escorts at first had the 1.6L Lotus engine from the Cortina. But over the years this engine became too small, so Cosworth designed a larger “BDA” engine based on Ford’s own Kent 4-cylinder to replace the Lotus engine in the early Escorts. This engine was then used as a turbo charged “BDT” 1.8L in the RS200. It is not entirely correct to say the rally versions had a 2.1L engine. In 1986 the works rally cars also had the 1.8L and power output was “only” 420BHP. And it was not only the accident in Portugal 1986 that killed the groupB, next was the sad deaths of Henri Toivonen and his btw USA based codriver Sergio Cresto on Corsica that eventually drew the line. As for the engines, in rallying there was a regulation that identified a minimum weight in line with engine size. Most teams chose a 1.8 that with turbo factor (x1.4) fitted the 2.5L class. The Ford RS200 with its clever transmission layout but a double propshaft was quite heavy and could never profit from the low minimum weight and therefore Ford decided to enlarge the engine to 2.1L (x1.4 = up to 3.0L). With this larger engine power output way beyond 500BHP was possible. Ford developed this larger engine for 1987, but by that time groupB rallying was banned from the WRC. Finally Tim Allen keeps mentioning the groupB Renault and Peugeot. These cars had some body and chassis panels from their road going sisters R5 and 205, but still were very remote from these. Moreover what Tim Allen questions: No, the groupB Renaults and Peugeots have no similarities at all. While Peugeot also owned Talbot and Citroen, Renault is their number 1 competition. It also is seen in the layouts. The groupB Renault R5 engine is longitudinally mid-mounted with rear wheel drive only and as such mainly of use on asphalt. Despite winning Monte Carlo, the R5 was more aimed at French Championship rallying only. The Peugeot 205 T16 has the engine transverse mid-mounted and 4x4 and made to win the World title on all terrains. Winning all titles in 85 + 86 the 205 T16 is probably the biggest icon of groupB today. So they are very, very different projects, but both no doubt fascinating. Hope this was interesting and informative for everyone - maybe even for Tim and Jay.

[@KillianoC]

Always great to see someone mentioning the turbo multiplication factor.

[@stevenluftman1971]

Thank you for the actual history and facts. It seems odd that someone would go to the trouble of buying and importing this special and rare car and knowing so little about it.

[@eriklarson9137]

@@stevenluftman1971 It seems weird to me that you would judge someone else's reasoning. Other than jealousy I guess.

[@stevenluftman1971]

@@eriklarson9137 hi Eric, maybe you’re correct. Or maybe I phrased it badly. I am a fan of Tim Allen. As a car-nut/gear-head, if I spent $250-500k for a very rare vehicle I’d like to think I would have a greater knowledge of its history. I’m not trying to judge anyone, but maybe I did.

[@rsanchez9865]

Thanks for the update

[@scannerz1986]

Breaks my heart that these 2 legends had to get old. I still watch home improvement.

[@jr2904]

Same, I watched Home Improvement every night as a kid

[@myst8217]

All my favorite shows can now be streamed, except Home Improvement. It's aggravating lol

[@jess_n_atx]

@myst8217 huh? Its on Disney and Hulu. You know theres more streaming services beyond Netflix right?

[@reformedgarbage5415]

The real question is, what happens to Jay Leno's Garage once he passes?

[@rasputin7633]

@@myst8217 I dislike Hulu, but Home Improvement is available on their streaming service. But I loved that show so much as a child. I still do as an adult. The Christmas episodes were my favorite. They always brought out that wonderful Christmas spirit. **** My comment was edited by someone to remove hulu from it. No joke***

[@camwoo]

I haven't seen Tim Allen in years and watching this is like seeing an old friend that is exactly the same as the last time you saw him

[@Hybridknfgrowchannel]

Hes genuine AF met him hella times at car shows remembers names and face

[@jpcranendonk]

These two together in the same room are great. Their dynamic is so good, going back and forth with jokes and facts. Please do some more content together.

[@madhumadhu-pb2yz]

Nice

[@weeyum99]

facts, but only as far as they know...

[@BenYouCrazy]

wow dude you so right omg @@MichaelMboom

[@donnie1581]

We need a show with these 2!

[@jerrycordova1971]

​@@MichaelMboomnot Seinfeld. He's not a car guy, he just likes Porsche, it seems.

[@rasputin7633]

America's 90s Dad. Loved this man growing up. Still do.

[@Jazzman-0]

Gay

[@toddthezondalover645]

​@@Jazzman-0Are you gay with your dad? Keep that kind of stuff to yourself.

[@Jazzman-0]

@@toddthezondalover645 I don’t proclaim actors on TV (im not related to) as family that I love. That’s gay. Interesting to see where your mind goes, though.

[@toddthezondalover645]

@@Jazzman-0 You set yourself up for it. Sorry you are such a fragile snowflake of an individual. You need to play some sports or go outside.

[@troorun1718]

2 guys in Cosworth

[@functiongarage]

This level of friendship is a rare sight nowadays. These guys have been at it for decades 😂

[@mortenhansen3455]

Rare in your eyes maybe. I'm sad to hear that.

[@jackm108]

Great to have both of them on Last Man Standing. Some great cars there as well

[@mclarenjohnf1]

The chassis was designed by former Formula One designer Tony Southgate, and Ford's John Wheeler, a former F1 engineer, aided in early development. A double wishbone suspension setup with twin dampers on all four wheels aided handling and helped give the car what was often regarded as being the best balanced platform of any of the RS200's

[@Swirlybum]

lets not forget the Reliant built body!!!

[@stanislavczebinski994]

The basic design was a known concept at the time - the small high-output turbo engine made the difference. And kicking in at higher revs was typical for an 80ies turbo - turbine geometry couldn't be so precisely calculated - computers were still quite slow.

[@cjohnson9211]

Wow, you can copy and paste too?

[@stanislavczebinski994]

@@cjohnson9211 Excuse me - what exactly did I copy&paste?

[@kurtvanluven9351]

But what will happen with cars over there now? Spray paint all the cameras?

[@Mach5Johnny]

Tim Allen owns an RS200? A true Man Of Culture!

[@black8art]

He's a "hey, that'd be cool" fanboy! HE KNOWS NOTHING about cars!

[@Gr8Layks]

@@black8art He knows more than you, hoss.

[@antx24]

🤣@@black8art

[@robertstone9988]

​​@@Gr8Layksyeah remember when he sat down and told me about the WRX si. 😂

[@markthompson9914]

@@robertstone9988 🤣 yeah he should stick to comedy, cos cars 🤦🏻‍♂️😂 his brain is getting the Lotus Cortina confused with Lotus Cosworth 🤣🤣✌️🇬🇧

[@restart426]

Jay Leno… the humblest car enthusiast ever… we love you jay and Tim!

[@wbass243]

He is such a nice host to his friends as well. The moment Tim Allen said this was the pinacle of Suspension engineering... Jay didn't throw Mag ride in his face.... But We all know technology and evolution of ideas has made the modern car "Super".

[@dmc5291]

Two generational icons. I’m in my mid 30’s. I grew up watching Home Improvement and The Tonight Show. As a car enthusiast I have so much respect for Tim and Jay. Even as they age as we all will if we’re lucky. Just seeing them together like two pals talking about cars is so satisfying.

[@Greg-io1ip]

Obviously Tim Allen coming out of the MagaDump Bowel Movement. He's definitely not dumb enough to imagine Americans sway Trump-Putin.

[@BillyMansfield87]

Same here! Grew up watching home improvement love both these guys!

[@chasbarnes3425]

Right!! Couldn’t have said it better sir

[@Ingens_Scherz]

Clarkson's review of this lunatic Brit monster was pretty revealing back in 2002, when you were in your mid-teens I guess. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnnHlIN9fsZ8bac

[@ls6097]

Respect for a guy who doesn't know the difference between Lotus and Cosworth?? I respect Tim as an entertainer who has resisted the hubris and urge to think his fame means he is entitled to lecture the rest of society, but as a car guy, this was pretty shocking to hear how such a supposed "car guy" really is actually clueless.

[@RollinTwentySix]

I remember as a kid thinking Tim Allen would be the coolest dad, and now I'm a grandfather myself. Time sure flies and so do these guys when they get a chance!

[@tamtri6218]

ok

[@Roger_Ramjet]

Too bad Allen is such a tool

[@_PatrickO]

Too bad he is a trump supporter and thus is a traitor. Having quiet regrets after jan 6th is not enough to undo what he supported.

[@RRC6490]

@@_PatrickOyou’re a traitor

[@_PatrickO]

@@RRC6490 Only a weirdo supports a man that helped push trump. You need to stop supporting the current russian attack on your military.

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

Jay is such a legend for continuing to create and upload these videos.

[@edgardovigo147]

Oil changes need to be paid 😂

[@1BigDaDo]

Been watching him for years

[@TheeGlocktopus]

@@edgardovigo147 He has more money than he could ever spend.

[@GrandPrixDecals]

@@TheeGlocktopusare you aware of his hobby?! 😅

[@tlove2108]

I would guess he makes alot of money. Plus he does enjoy it, it seems.

[@Gen_X_George]

Ive been watching youtube since its infancy and this is my first ever comment on a video. Mr. Allen I'm 50 years old and yout humor has been part of saving my life. I was injured 16 years ago at age 34 and left in a wheelchair for life. I remember watching you do your standup before your first television show. So thanks for the laughs and your craft and your true love of all automobiles. Mr. Leno I'm out in my shop everyday tinkering on something. Ive watched nearly all your Garage shows and ofcourse late night. Thank you as well sir.....on a note I'd guess based on the RS design that they had to have had plans for hard sells in America but with Pontiac pulling the Fiero there was no point. The crowd had been tested and said NO we want carppy under powered fwd. I took my dad's 86 and a half Fiero GT Fasback v6 on mine and my wifes first date. Still married to the same gal 31 years later....Anyways thank you guys oh and Tim THANKS for the SS Caprice ARARAR!!! P.S. for Tim....I believe people who cant handle dry humor should be seen and not heard...lol

[@JamesBondSnarf]

Did you give your wheel chair...... more power ? Electric engines are a lot smaller now

[@UmmYeahOk]

“MORE POWER!”

[@ShartSydePhil]

KZbin was conceived almost 20 years ago, which is an insane thing to say

[@UmmYeahOk]

@@ShartSydePhilhow dare you make me feel old!!!

[@ginahawkins6278]

I could watch a weekly show with Tim and Jay all about cars.

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

That would be perfect.

[@e28forever30]

Legends.

[@jameschristiansson3137]

Binford as sponsor.

[@kevinlloyd1088]

​@@jameschristiansson3137don't forget Lisa and Heidi.

[@Greg-io1ip]

Tim Allen definitely needs the rehab on his public relations. Off camera I doubt Tim Allen has any Red Hats made in Chinurrrr Chinurrrr Chinurrrr. He was mostly likeable before the show went to the Tards of Trump-Putin.

[@CherylCold]

These were the ultimate cars in Europe, along with the Delta S4, Peugeot 205 T16 and Metro 6R4. You can pretend with groupe A and N but these were the ultimate machines. The road versions had to be built to comply with regulations but heavily under tuned compared to the rally cars. Most were pushing out 500bhp weighing less than 900 Kgs. 0-60mph were less than 3 seconds. They were incredible.

[@LeungDickson1]

I saw the Peugeot 205T16 in New Zealands rally I was 500 mtrs from the start and it sounded like an old MF tractor at idle and it screamed of the line and he used all 6 gears and past me in under 2 seconds. They eventually were pumping out over 1000 HP before group B was cancelled.

[@capt.obvious9058]

The Renault turbo 5 maxi too

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

wow you missed the Audi quattro

[@K10wNs-Shed]

missed the Lancia 037 GrB too

[@enigmatwist6548]

@@lurch789huh? Escort Cosworth was just a re-bodied Sierra Cosworth, it wasn’t purpose built from the ground up to be a race car. RS200 Evo would annihilate an Escort Cosworth on any rally. Group B cars were banned because they were way too fast for rallying not because of any inherent issue with handling.

[@martinbalmforth2665]

These things are lethal. The bodywork was built by Reliant, and Martin Schanche kept them very busy as he bounced around rally cross tracks.

[@prosto_potomuwto]

Not in the city they're not

[@martinbalmforth2665]

@@prosto_potomuwto the car that killed group B, after a driver lost control in Portugal and ploughed at over 100 mph in to a group of spectators, killing and seriously injuring so many. In group B spec, they had more power than an F1 car, and the chassis could not cope. The road going examples struggled to sell at a list price of £50000 when a recession hit, and they could only be used for rallycross. Clarkson infamously ditched a tuned road car due to the awful handling, light weight, and near 500 bhp from the 1.8 litre turbo.

[@prosto_potomuwto]

@@martinbalmforth2665 Then remove the "spectators"

[@landmonkey22]

When it goes IT GOES! A REAL DRiVERS CAR..

[@kai_444]

​@@landmonkey22drovers 🤣

[@russwoodward8251]

Tim’s honesty sure shines when he tries to recall details. What a great little car too. Thanks Jay and team.

[@richardtodorov]

My main take away was what great friends Jay and Allen are, loved to see that more than the awesome RS200, and that’s saying something! God bless ‘em both

[@petesmitt-yl1nx]

Both comedians, both car guys, both the same age..

[@therealturbofanisme]

Really? My main take away is that Jay didn't really enjoy talking to Tim. When Jay looked at the camera and said "annoying pretty much sums it up." he wasn't talking about other customers, he was talking about Tim 😅

[@richardtodorov]

@@therealturbofanisme I guess you don't have any close friends with a sense of humor

[@richardtodorov]

@@petesmitt-yl1nx yea CV matching makes great friends 🤣

[@rob___bie___J]

Really glad to see that jay’s doing better after the fire incident. I never was a big jay leno show fan but ever since he’s done these shows and I’ve seen him being himself and seeing his passion for cars It’s really humanized him for me. Either way I’m just glad he’s doing alright

[@shivermetimbers9316]

I always watched letterman instead of Leno,but I did like his "funny headlines" bit, and have enjoyed watching him on YT showing off his impressive car collection/knowledge.

[@rob___bie___J]

@@shivermetimbers9316 yeah I was the same, my parents always watched letterman and I really love going back and watching Carson on yt. But I’ve watched Leno’s garage on KZbin for a while now. I love cars and you can see his passion for them. It would’ve sucked if the fire caused him to not beable to do this anymore or ptsd from the fire kept him on edge working on the cars.

[@kevincoleman4571]

I never thought the show was as good either, but you have to remember and think, would I want to go on-stage after the King?

[@rob___bie___J]

@@kevincoleman4571 lol if I went on after Carson the show would’ve been canceled immediately 😂😂😂

[@MichaelOfRohan]

my friends father Ken Johnson was a renowned used car salesman. his son painted restobugs, a pink soft top automatic still sits in Blodgettes. jay has always been a super decent guy. i was never a fan, but i was raised to know that he deserved my respect.

[@perpetualtech5906]

I love watching Tim and Jay just talk to each other about cars. I could watch this every week. Please make them into a show!

[@fidelcatsro6948]

two 70 year old Uncles reminiscing the 80s..

[@greatheightsu]

Tim Allen has good taste. Rally cars should be big in America.

[@MisterHughes]

Watching those Group B cars like the Lancia S4, Peugeot 205 Turbo 16, Metro 6R4 back in the 80's was more exhilarating than just about anything except the turbo era of F1. Dazzling speed and danger. Thrilling. These RS200's are phenomenal looking cars even now.

[@DOOM1715]

There’s a great Group B documentary called Rallying The Killer Years on Prime. If you’re a fan of the cars you listed you will love the documentary 👍🏻

[@jmorrison5206]

959

[@stevenwallace9844]

There is nothing today that will give the same rush like group B

[@peterkoch3777]

But the King of Group B was the Audi Sports Quattro. The 5 cylinders announced it from behind the corner, it jumped across and vanished while blewing off gasses thru the turbo😂

[@hotdog9262]

rally cross.. for me were big thing back then. rally cars/drivers actually racing each other in highly competitive events. martin schanke were the man. so incredibly skilled and pushed the car to the limit

[@JoNev1]

I could watch the Jay and Tim show daily! Cruising, eating at greasy spoons, car meetups and even grocery shopping! 🤣 God bless you two gear heads. Two of the best. 👍🏆🏆💯😎💪

[@itBchrisP]

seriously!!!!! We need that. Primetime TV, it would be amazing.

[@bain19]

a new generation of Click and Clack; the Tappet Brothers.

[@JoNev1]

@@itBchrisP Absolutely! It would be a huuuge hit!!! 🙌👍

[@JoNev1]

@@bain19 Haha yes!!! 🙌👍

[@beardymart906]

Love the channel, and this has to be my favourite Group B car. Since I was a rally fan watching Group B cars in rallying an rallycross back when these cars were new, I might be able to clarify a couple of points: The twin coilover dampers at each corner were for, among other things, heat rejection - single dampers would overheat on long rough stages. The engine is a Ford BDT designed by Cosworth, and is not related to the Lotus Twin Cam. The road car clutch is a racing twin plate item because the homologation rules said you weren't allowed to fit a different clutch to go rallying, so every RS200 has a clutch that'll handle 550bhp. The tubular chassis was designed by Ford and isn't shared with any other car. The main reason it wasn't more successful in rallying against the Peugeot 205 T16 and Lancia Delta S4 was that it was late - Ford spent a long time working on a front-engined car for Group B (the Escort RS1700T), before canning that project and building the RS200. That gave the other manufacturers a 2 year head start on developing their cars.

[@spatchist]

I'd love to see the reaction of Americans to, say, a couple of Europeans being fairly clueless about some vintage Nascar racer .

[@sykwookiee]

​@@spatchistYeah, except that Jay and Tim are carrying on and realize that they don't f'n know everything about 'em...😅

[@sykwookiee]

​@spatchist And most Americans would actually want to help you know more about their sport, unlike snotty Europeans who laugh about people like a private joke...and will never explain it because they are the joke...

[@jamesjones9807]

I agree. The RS200 is also my favourite Group B car. I have vivid memories of it in the RAC rally as a 7 year old and imagining my dad's Capri 2.8 injection was one. Gotta say that the Metro 6R4 is a very close second favourite. That V6 was awesome. I'd love to see Jay Leno in one of those.

[@martinhubinette2254]

To add another point, it was overweight. Despite having a higher minimum weight (due to engine displacement rules) it didn't get near the weight limit. The Delta S4 for example had such a weight saving that the chassis ended weak and felt vague on tarmac. Thats kinda the neat thing about Group B. Each car is a flawed beast.

[@RocketPunchArmy]

Love the chemistry and dialogue in this video. Would love to see Tim Allen in more videos.

[@hangarsacto]

I thought it was seriously hard to watch…

[@hardsayings2400]

@@hangarsacto same here, I get the sense Jay can't stand him.

[@per-olofadolfsson4874]

Tim Allen and Leno in the same room, nothing can go wrong. 😆👍

[@Jch833]

Tim is so passionate about the car. He talks about it like it’s a wife he’s been married to for 35 years. LOVES her but definitely knows her flaws and isn’t opposed to pointing them out, but loves her to death and APPRECIATES her. Meanwhile (especially for the first few minutes) Jay keeps his head high and doesn’t talk a lot. He’s FEELING the car and examining it like a physician conducting a physical on a patient. This is poetry. This could be a poem.

[@darahgardner-hickman3102]

Definitely can’t remember her birthday either 😂

[@DABA2024]

Pathetic car worship from two sad old men.

[@MrLuvtheUSA]

@@darahgardner-hickman3102😂👌

[@cggentry]

​@@darahgardner-hickman3102 knows the month though

[@RaXXha]

@@cggentry Maybe even the week. 😂

[@ncc74656m]

I had a Matchbox RS200 as a little kid and it always rolled better than the others, so it became my favorite. It lived at my grandmother's house. As an adult I looked up what it was and was stunned to find that the real thing was just as cool as the toy, and it's still my favorite. Hit the lotto tomorrow and that's the first thing I'm buying.

[@SMlFFY85]

Me too, two of them actually, a white one with blue stripes and a blue one with white stripes.

[@lycu3093]

ok

[@bowelrupture]

i'm 51 and i still got a matchbox RS200 😋

[@Billy-bc8pk]

None of my Matchbox cars ever survived; the Hot Wheels did. Man, Hot Wheels used to make the best miniature replicas -- before they went wacky. All of their real-life replicas were too sweet.

[@timothywest1183]

Raptor R for me followed by a Ferrari Purosangue. I’m six two and tried to get into a Lotus Esprit when I was 18 and it didn’t go well. I was fairly lean at 185 lbs. (1985) I have not become smaller or more bendy since then. 😂😂 I like the Ferrari V-12 touring cars. 550, 575, 599, GTC4LUSSO. I actually can get in and out of them and they are comfortable.

[@mladia]

What a treat. Just like friends talking about a cool car. Tim is generous with his praise of Jay’s driving.

[@nine_pound]

I had the pleasure of taking one of the 2 cars belonging to Ford Motor Co UK out for 1/2 hour alone. At the time the car was valued around £250,000. It was a real highlight of my life. Legendary car.

[@mainey1512]

I was lucky enough to have a father who owned an RS500 Cosworth. I know it's not the same car. But, all of those RS models were just nuts! It's still one of my favorite cars to this day.

[@mrorangepeel659]

Worth a lot now…

[@TheUsmc0802]

I love these two together! I wish Jay would have him on more!

[@giangkim8789]

ok

[@hchowky]

They need a frickin' show together

[@Roger_Ramjet]

​@@hchowkyno thanks

[@ryanstallard1160]

American top gear should’ve been Jay, Tim, and Jerry Seinfeld

[@Mark-yz8eh]

I worked for Essex Police (England) in the early 80s and the force had one of these gifted by Ford. It had police markings and had some low level lights on the roof. It certainly looked cool, however, the drivers could not handle the clutch in and around town and it didn't last long. Homologation required 200 of these to be built in order to classed as a production car. Good to see this on the road.

[@retroboy8696]

The ex Essex police car now resides in Australia

[@piccalillipit9211]

The Ford dealership in Batley West Yorkshire had one, it was basically "no sensible offer refused" - they literally could not sell it and the sticker price was like £22k or something. It was in the showroom for EVER.

[@craigconey9971]

@@piccalillipit9211my brother had an ex police car not to long ago it was a cavalier 4x4 turbo and that was used by Northumbria police in the northeast of England

[@buggerlugz6753]

www.vitadistile.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ford-rs200-police-car-uk.jpg look what he pulled!!! :)

[@Spartanm333]

Several Police regions liked to promote the idea that they had the fastest thing on the road so I can see them accepting the car as a PR / status symbol initially. We had several such cars in South Yorks including a Lotus Carlton which stood up most of the time and a de-badged RS500 Ford, close to the rally car. Personally I liked the TWR fettled Rover 3500 V8 Vitesse with fuel injection, big brakes and a full air kit - they never disclosed the performance figures although it would do 68 MPH in second gear as it launched up the motorway slip road towards 155 when it went off the dial. Fairly close to the Tom Walkinshaw touring car I suspect, adjusted for the road and longevity, although we lost a few air dams over country road fresh air jumps on a shout. Perhaps the shortest (period) vehicle we had was the less successful replacement offered by MGR - the Rover 800 1.8 Ti ... the K series engine with injection and a turbo. Unfortunately we managed to blow up two engines on the three test cars, during the Rover assessment day. No chance they would stand up to 24 hour response work. The normally aspirated KV6 24 valve MG ZS with 200 BHP fettled by Pro Drive, again a touring car in essence, was much better by Rover although too small for patrol needs unfortunately.

[@ericpisch2732]

For those not aware after the instant ban on group B a lot of the group b rally cars spent many years competing in rallycross in the UK and Europe. martin schanche and his RS200 is legendary for his battles with will gollop in his group b metro 6r4 Towards the end these cars where putting out 900bhp/tonne on a dirt course! In the early 90s😮 Many videos are still available on KZbin. It is without doubt the most exciting racing I have ever seen.

[@theoneandonly2421]

It was good to see Tim, its been awhile. Jay brother, I'm 39 and I have to say that you and Tim have probably been the biggest car mentors or enthusiasts that put the automotive passion in me. Time flies its hard to believe its been this many years. A lot has changed. It was good to see you two in front of the camera together again.

[@ricksanchez5696]

Been rewatching home improvement the last week or so and all the eps with jay not surprised they did another episode together Tim's the man if you havent seen them yet watch crazy on the outside and big trouble ..miss the 90s so much always makes me happy to see the tool man

[@LaughOutLouie88]

Tim Allen is the man and his RS200 is insanely clean! Love it! He's really a car dude.

[@Hybridknfgrowchannel]

Yea

[@KeithZim]

I don't care what anyone says this is the most awesome looking car to ever carry the Ford emblem..

[@al90vette]

Can Tim be in every episode from now on? Love the banter between these two. 😂

[@frankfraga295]

Two of my favorite people together! Love it when these two get together and entertain us. I really have to meet them and shake their hands to thank them one day.

[@choian9953]

ok

[@timliston9450]

A Ford Escort rally car from Europe is a totally different car as the Ford Escort from America. The Ford Escort mk II RS 1800 is a rally car legend.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

England.. A whole continent didn't make this

[@lutherblissett9070]

No such thing as a Mk1 RS1800. The RS1800 was the Mk2

[@amnril]

Do you mean the Mk 1 RS1600?

[@timliston9450]

No I ment the mkII RS1800@@amnril

[@amnril]

@@timliston9450 ah fair enough, both cracking machines for their time.

[@bicyclist2]

This is exactly why I like the European Fords. I used to read about this car in car magazines back in the day. Very cool. I saw one of these for sale on-line a few years ago. Thank you.

[@krusher74]

your welcome.

[@Rob-cv3vh]

I’m in my fifties and from the UK. My dad took me to Group B rally events when I was a teenager, the years from 84 to 86 were just unbelievable, the RS200 was late to the game, the 205T16 Tim mentioned & Sport Quattro were the ones for the fanboys. We kept away from the side of the road but even a long way back you’d be showered with gravel. The Lombard RAC rally often passed near my home in the UK. I once heard someone ask why so many top drivers were Scandinavian - the answer was that at those speeds everything is like driving on ice!

[@rundmk00]

the scandinavian driving tests are also pretty gnarly they have to learn a lot of stuff that we dont

[@jondrizzle4554]

Great times I'm 45 and remember my dad taking me to the chatsworth stages remember all the group b cars spitting flames was around 8 years old at the time and I'll never forget it

[@sykwookiee]

Why didn't your fathers love you?

[@bobsmoot8454]

The RS200 is a totally insane vehicle. Ken Brock had one and cranked up the boost. Group B was berserk and absolutely bonkers

[@jamesbarr3455]

Twin plate clutches are for transmitting the same or more torque through a smaller diameter package. You have to "engineer" the actuation of it more, because the pressure needed to actuate it is more. Some of the F1 cars from the late 80's hard quadruple and even more plates to put down the power the turbos were making while maintaining the smallest packaging possible. Neat stuff!

[@zymmer4]

Indeed..the smaller the diameter of the moving part, the less flywheel inerita it has..thus, less force is exerted on the driveline and torque is more easily transmitted, straight away..to the parts that make the car move.@@lurch789

[@jaygribbin6790]

A twin plate clutch is smaller diameter than a single plate clutch of the equivalent torque rating. This allows it to have less centrifugal force than the bigger single plate so it spins up faster. It has the same or bigger torque rating because the friction surface is actually larger because it has more than one plate. Most modern competition cars have multi plate clutches ,not just a twin plate. To the driver the force required to press the pedal is reduced.

[@N577-r8y]

Great twin plate clutch chat.

[@happycat3399]

These two together is always a joy. 💕

[@kenxiong6830]

Tim and Jay have awesome unique car collections. That RS200 is badass

[@kenxiong6830]

@@lurch789 any machine that was built for group B is worthy of praise

[@dustinsonger851]

these are the best episodes, it reminds me so much of talking to my dad about cars and watching him get excited about things he never even knew existed. i love it

[@MrLuvtheUSA]

I love these two 😅. Unlike many rich people who simply buy cars because they can, or for show, these two seem like legitimate car guys that got lucky and made it, and now they’re doing what they really love

[@Xaltar_]

Jay and Tim are always so much fun to watch together. You can see the friendship between them runs long and deep. Two comedians just bantering back and forth, pure gold. The RS200 is an absolute legend of a car, it's such a pity it's overshadowed by tragedy.

[@ThatTalldude92]

These two guys will always be legends of my childhood!!❤

[@danhtranquoc3745]

ok

[@doantranvan1844]

ok

[@PaulTC97]

ok

[@Jroberts273]

Can’t even begin to explain how much I love this video. J Leno and Tim Allen are two of my top favorite people.!!!

[@poleandholefishing5179]

For Jay to exclaim that it is one of the most fun cars he has driven is huge! He's driven some pretty awesome stuff! Great video. Nice to see Tim looking well.

[@michaels_madness]

Tim Allen was my favorite actor for a long time. It's awesome seeing that he's still doing good. Awesome video, awesome car.

[@striker0000]

Two legends. Almost feel like Americas uncles. We’re fixtures on tv the years I was growing up. Respect

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Top notch USA 70yr old Uncles!

[@endlessrage4062]

What an awesome thing to behold, an RS200 in the US. Props to Tim for having the balls. It does dismay me watching to find out how very little both guys know about such a vehicle. A bit of research would’ve been very helpful beforehand.

[@sykwookiee]

...or, if you know anything about Tim and Jay, you'd realize that they are practically trolling all of the rally nerds...they've done the same thing about all racing series...

[@endlessrage4062]

@@sykwookiee well the fact Jay couldn’t even explain a racing clutch greatly surprised me. I did think he was a knowledgeable guy. Maybe just his knowledge base is more general…

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

most americans only know about Subaru as a brand linked with ralllying lol even then the car was mostly prodrive

[@patricklinkous]

​@@Lemingtona-x5gMost Americans know Subaru as a brand linked with dogs and hiking...

[@USandGlobal]

@@Lemingtona-x5gcrazy how none of that is true 😂

[@m0j0rising]

What a cool car. Glad that Jay and Tim are passionate car guys so we get to see these forgotten/unknown gems.... Thanks, guys!

[@kokilimonke]

RS200 have been a dream car for me since I first saw it beating everyone in rallycross.

[@Ovakill22]

Man the chemistry with those guys is dope, huge fan of them both! didn't know Tim was about that RS200 life lol

[@ricksanchez5696]

Had it for years has had videos of it on KZbin for years should do more research on Tim allen bud

[@Ovakill22]

@@ricksanchez5696 noted smarty pants

[@kabongpope]

RS200 is still one of my all time faves. Just love the heck out of it. Great to see it in action!

[@kylethestyle]

I like how Tim Allen is getting into new things. He's an old school, V8, blower motor type of guy ("more power!"), but you can tell he's getting into smaller displacement, turbo cars. I think that's badass! Car guys should be all-inclusive!

[@TigerT72]

I went to watch a few stages of the British Lombard/RAC rally back in the 90’s and can tell you, it is like no other motor racing! Watching the Welsh forest stages in the snow was a great experience. The fans had to walk along the narrow dirt tracks that they actually raced on, to get to a decent spectator point. At the sound of the Marshall’s whistle, everybody would dive off the track into the ditches or trees, as you probably had about 10 seconds before a rally car would fly past you at over 100 mph! Looking back now it was incredibly dangerous, but tremendously thrilling. I still have a few photos from back then. Also, on the drive home after the event, you would often be passed by the rally cars, as they had to drive on the road in between stages! That’s an experience you don’t get in F1!

[@735337707]

The new rally1 cars are faster than the group B cars.

[@theshaddowaust]

If it was allowed here it would have been great to see the unedited/uncut version, because Tim and Jay in a car together would have been over 12hr of recording and the jokes these two have, its great to see them and the fun they have, they are such great friends. Also its a great car too :)

[@Zuflux]

This car is my absolute all-time favorite. watching old VHs recordings of Group-B races my family had been to, playing some early colin McRae games, even today in modern games I love this car.

[@foesfly3047]

This just looks like exactly the car Tim Allen would drive ♠️ BTW Mr Allen is a truly good human being and a genuine fellow. There aren’t many of those in the US entertainment industry. Huge respect to him for remaining true to himself and to his exceptional character 😎🎩♠️💙

[@SilojensenDK]

Well, since his days of trafficking cocaine, facing life in prison and therefore snitching out his fellow drug selling colleagues, his character certainly has developed.

[@CapybaraMMA]

Lol just say “I like how he votes the same way I do” you know he’s a scumbag don’t pretend like he’s some great guy.

[@ducksoff7236]

@@CapybaraMMA I like how this MMA guy is going to sit there and preach about being a good person.

[@colin5577]

​@@CapybaraMMAOr maybe let's just say he made a decent sitcom, most people loved him in Toy Story and Galaxy Quest and he loves cars. Those are enough boxes ticked, independent of his politics, to make him a guy I and many could more than tolerate. By contrast, I think Leno sucked on TV - a desperately unfunny guy whose politics I probably don't agree with at all. But he's a car guy through and through so.. I like him regardless. Not all of us decide who we like based on how they vote.

[@vanriperje]

Such a fantastic car. Tim was discussing the WRX Sti and they also suffer from the same thing, no real power until 3k-3500 rpms and then they kick. The turbo lag can be fixed with a tune, but higher rpms with lots of turns are where these cars shine.

[@drtidrow]

I've got a '17 STi now, and it's not bad low down, but it absolutely comes alive and pulls like hell above 3k or so. Definitely a fun car! 🙂

[@aztronomy7457]

Turbo lag is fun

[@GambitTM]

Not only is it surprising to see Tim Allen own this beast of a car, it's refreshing to see him so enthusiastically talking about the car too

[@germanstudent06]

It's really a Binford 8100, he just won't say it ;)

[@TheUrbanBeekeepers]

Tim is almost as big a car guy as Jay, his collection is incredible.

[@brianb-p6586]

@@TheUrbanBeekeepers A big difference is the Jay understands what he has and in most cases how it works. Tim... not so much.

[@Greg-io1ip]

​@@brianb-p6586Pretty sure Tim Allen was high as a kite the whole time. Jay partaking at the end of the video. Proof Tim Allen was obeying show producers to pretend to be a Trumptard.

[@brianb-p6586]

@@Greg-io1ip I've seen Tim Allen talking about cars before, and he was just as clueless.

[@beitie]

Jay, I'd love to hear more about your Chrysler Turbine car, and if there is any progress on the repairs. I watched the documentary that Hagerty did about a month ago, and seeing that group of former engineers and workers come together was so cool! I am so glad that you share all this awesome stuff with us, and I really hope you can get that Turbine car back. You are a hero to many of us, and love what you do!

[@EclecticBuddha]

Steve Lehto has a channel on here that's mostly legal stories but he also wrote a book on the turbine car and has done some videos. I believe Jay wrote the forward to the book and let Steve look around his turbine car. Look for the book, look for videos with Steve Lehto for more info.

[@tiadaid]

I have this vision of Tim Allen only having American hotrods, so seeing him in his own Euro Ford RS200 just blows my mind. Also, Lotus and Cosworth are connected because Lotus introduced the Ford Cosworth DFV engine in F1. However in this case it is all Cosworth, not Lotus.

[@JZ_3]

Cosworth was created by 2 ex-Lotus engineering employees Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth hence the name Cosworth

[@scottbarker1039]

The engine in this is a BDT, developed from the earlier BDA. The BDA had a block that was derived from the Ford Kent crossflow, the crossflow was the basis for the Lotus twin cam engine so there are DNA ties in these Lotus and Cosworth units.

[@robocop3961]

Connection is the 2 cosworth guys worked for lotus but set up cosworth on the side which became the best engine makers in the world ever!!!

[@heavymetalcreationz711]

I was in Tim’s shop/garage as a kid. I remember that car well… I was amazed, I’d never seen anything like it. It’s crazy to me that 25 years later he still has it!

[@landon390]

I’m sorry to mention this in every video with Tim but we absolutely need more videos with him. We need to do a segment with him as a cohost or something. The chemistry with these two old car guys that happen to be comedians as well it’s just too good not to do more with!

[@lindaoffenbach]

Wow, an iconic group B rally beast... Cosworth engine and only 200 made for homologation purposes indeed. Fibreglass bodies made by Reliant. These were/are potentially lethal if driven hard. Even in experienced hands they are/were a handful... Most exceptional. Thank you for featuring one 💓

[@JohnMann858]

Please do more videos with Tim! You two are a great car duo!

[@2GringosOnTheGulf]

Agreed 💯

[@Konstantinos78]

Here in Europe, Cosworth engines are very well respected!!! The company's name comes from the two men that started it back in 1958, Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth. I have been fortunate to own two Ford Sierra RS 500's and their Cosworth YB engines were bulletproof!!! One was a street-car, but with racecar specs, including a full cage, and the other one was a full blown racecar, capable of competing in Hillclimbs, Rallies and even Drag Races around Europe. They are just 2lt, but one of them produced 854hp on its racing tune, and the other other one gave out 1370hp on its racing tune. They never gave me any trouble, even though they were driven very hard!

[@kenkoller478]

This is one of the best episodes ever. Two guys hanging out and going for a drive, someone just filmed it.

[@thomasnord4954]

So much respect for these two gentlemen, not only for their care culture inspiration, but their genuine household name presence for us who know

[@breakupgoogle]

Def need more of this kinda collab

[@jeremypearson6852]

As a Brit living in the US, it is interesting that rally never caught on here, but then again, it’s the same story with F1 until recently. I don’t know if it ever got big here when Mario Andretti was racing. The US is sold on NASCAR and Indy.

[@steeliewheelies]

Both of you are assets to preserving car culture, thank you and thank you for sharing

[@davidhinkson8856]

I'm amazed at how modern this car still looks nearly 40 years after it came out. Came out unfortunately just before Group B got banned, but one wonders how successful it would have been had it campaigned a bit longer.

[@michaeldisante5145]

Tim, the RS200 chasis was the work of Formula One engineers Tony Southgate and John Wheeler. The construction was a monocoque chassis made of carbon fibre, steel panels and honeycomb aluminium with tubular subframes at the front and rear. Not sure if this was within Ford of Europe or outsourced. Keep it up guys, I love to watch you two together!

[@zippybanana2691]

Reliant were involved producing the body certainly possibly the chassis.

[@twifightsparkill]

Honestly? If Jay and Tim ever decided to do a light-hearted car-centric show together on KZbin? They'd rule the planet! ♥️♥️♥️

[@nickelliott1174]

These guys are terrific together, I wish they would do more shows together. Two guys that love cars shooting the breeze.

[@techyin326]

it hoesntly s top gear show, if only they made a three host fun to watch, so far i love these two and all we need is one more

[@MrHamlet]

I love the RS200. Tim needs the race package which gets it north of 400hp. I've seen a few 800hp versions. Amazing cars.

[@momnc4721]

Thank you Mr. Leno for another amazing car review, it’s always a treat when you have Mr. Tim Allen on there with you as well🙏🏽

[@nicholaspiscitelli7685]

Tim Allen passed away in May . Just came across it to google search. 🥺

[@Beefybaby]

Ford Cosworth was a beast, every kid in UK wanted one.

[@esametsala3054]

👍🥇🇫🇮 Tim, I had an opportunity to drive that Peugeot T16, street version. It was so tough and difficult to find ’sweet spot’ from the engine. 1000-4500 = nothing, 4500-6000 everything 😁 No brake booster so it felt it does not stop. Never driven RS200 but my pal drove rallycross with one. That put +600hp on dyno, BEAST 🙈 Thank you both for posting this video!

[@quintessenceSL]

Even the Audis were pigs (nose heavy with a very peaky motor). Dirty secret about Group B was the cars were... unrefined to put it gently. It took some of the best talent to wrestle those beasts into legends.

[@MichaelAMVM]

@@quintessenceSL At least Lancia tried with the twin charged engine. But the electrics were problematic.

[@esametsala3054]

@@quintessenceSL I agree, totally. Have not driven Sport Quattro but ur-Quattro I have. As from factory, it was not that responsive but with wrist thick Bilsteins from Treser, it behaved good enough, on tarmac. Never driven on gravel, sad to mention.

[@esametsala3054]

@@MichaelAMVM Hi, Lancia was so outrageous by looks and sound 👍 Unfortunately, never had the opportunity to drive one, I mean street version. When I saw those ’spaceships’ at Thousand Lake Rally, it sounded so violent 😇😋 Fantastic engineering.

[@bassicuk1986]

A proper Great British Ford. Love it!!

[@bassicuk1986]

​@@lurch789built in England mate!

[@bassicuk1986]

​@@lurch789not to mention it was designed by people who worked for Lotus and Aston Martin. It was built for Ford UK. Nothing German about it

[@jessieharbinjr.6589]

Two legends! You can tell they’re really good friends. Awesome 😎

[@petesorensenguitar]

Tim describing the 22B (presumably) while getting literally every detail wrong is hilarious.

[@MrWolfSnack]

That's why you can connect with him. He's not pretentious or full of himself. He truely reads and studies all this stuff, but just forgets it or misremembers details. Everyone would.

[@senorpepper3405]

He's a hotrod guy. Give him credit for stepping out.

[@ZYXWVUQ992Q]

I used to have a 1994 ford escort GT 2dr. We put in a tiny t25 turbo and intercooler, new injectors, cold air intake, exhaust, lowered 2” all around with the stock wheels, low profile tires and a 4 puck racing clutch. Forgot to upgrade the stock brakes. Thing was so scary to drive. I miss the 90’s 🇺🇸🚗 Also, jay and Tim need a KZbin show together.

[@olliefoxx7165]

Those were fun little cars! Couple of my buddies had the 89-90 Escort GT that were a blast to drive. Haven't seen one in a long time.

[@ZYXWVUQ992Q]

@@olliefoxx7165 that’s so true. Where did they all go ?

[@animebeatle81]

We had 2 of that generation Escort GT. The Mazda BP engine just felt bulletproof. Way more low end punch than the B6. I wish I could have kept the one I had. It was fully optioned with the Sunroof and Leather wrapped wheel and painted in that wild pinkish purple Ford had with matching wheels.

[@ZYXWVUQ992Q]

@@animebeatle81 why did we all get rid of all the cars we loved when we were young men ? I knew it was special then… Now I drive a Lexus suv 🤦‍♂️

[@justinpakarno4346]

Nice of Tim to share his passion with us and Jay for bringing it to us.

[@gmain1977]

Tim knew nothing about the car

[@Madagon367]

Tim knows very little about the car but he seems to really love it. Good for him. Not every car collector really needs to be as knowledgeable as the Jays of this world.

[@lqr824]

I think it's mostly an act. I think at a couple points he couldn't think of a name and just pretended he was clueless.

[@robertweldon7909]

Please remember, Tim grew up street racing in Detroit, he knows "hot Rods" not cars like this. I love it when they get together, It can be side splitting funny.

[@Pelleministeri]

But the engine is built by Lotus!

[@JC-he7yk]

Exactly what I thought. He hasn't a clue! It only turns into an act, whenever Jay questions him for saying something preposterous!

[@virtueofhate1778]

​@@Pelleministeri It's built by Cosworth.

[@WardenOfTerra]

My respect for Tim Allen just drastically increased. Hearing an American just 'get it' when it comes to the art of how we Brit's make rally cars is awesome. I bet he would love the Tourist Trophy races and how we approach that too.

[@aussiebloke609]

TTs are amazing - my faves being the Isle of Mann moto race, and the historic TT at Goodwood, thrashing priceless Ferrari GTOs and D-type Jags around the track.

[@jesusmaryandjoseph6]

Keep in mind the English are the largest ethnic group in the US

[@jaypioh]

@@jesusmaryandjoseph6 I think he means in a civic perspective, not ethnic

[@jaypioh]

I've always been enamored by TVRs and wish we got them in the states. They're some of my favorite cars. 90s Lotus too. Love British cars to death.

[@adamfrbs9259]

The STI is great Tim, 1st gear is short and quick as hell, beats sportster Harleys to 40mph. You'd like them. Winter tires in snow they're a blast, and does perfect circle awd donuts on any surface.

[@TheSpdmini]

what a weirdly specific metric.

[@adamfrbs9259]

@@TheSpdmini answers what he was wondering in the episode. From my experience owning one.

[@tomonabudget]

Great video. I loved the RS2000 as a kid. Sadly I've never seen the big Rally cars in action. I knew Tim loved cars, but I didn't know he was such a WRC enthusiast, makes me like him even more now!

[@DrMcMoist]

Do you mean the RS200? I mean the RS2000 is a rally legend, I'm just wondering.

[@claroibre4778]

The RS2000 is a cool car.

[@lubo257]

My dad had a RS2000. It was the first car I ever drove. My Dad took me out for my first driving lesson. The lesson went... Find the biting point... Lift the clutch and gently press the accelerator.... Brake, brake BRAKE!! 😂😂

[@chasbarnes3425]

I love when these two get together an make a video, never gets old!! Ima definitely watch this atleast 10 more times lol

[@sknuit1628]

Tim Allen was like a TV uncle to me, I didn't know he has such a good taste in cars, even here in Europe nobody would recognize this masterpiece other than rally fans! This conversation between the two was awesome 🔥