Tim & Sid: Ice dance corrupt as Hell

[@dylanforgas7453]

I still watch this sometimes to make me smile

[@bergetobamacare1276]

Almost ALL of the current and former skaters and ice dance champions are saying that Virtue/Moir should have won over Davis/White.

[@binkerrrrr]

source pls?

[@HTHAMMACK1]

LOL! None of them are saying it. In fact at least two different ice dance pairs said the Americans are clearly better. The only one who mentioned anything was a Finnish ice dancer from the 90s who never won crap.

[@carey579]

Charlie White could dance circles around Scott Moir with his eyes closed.

[@jimmyjohnny280]

I guess it's kind of randomly asking but do anybody know a good place to watch new series online?

[@eduardobronson8653]

@Jimmy Johnny I watch on flixzone. You can find it on google =)

[@Jayblazr]

The passion. All I have to say.

[@jl941-]

Love when this guy snaps

[@KardiFan2000]

Steve Randall He always does lol

[@MrStrategyGaming]

They mentioned your comment on the show, haha

[@chrismarcellus6933]

Please note that Sid is bashing the judges, not the skaters!

[@fancyrealloveh2713]

Hahahaha this guy made me laugh his reaction his way of speaking and he is making sense in what he is saying I like this and I love Figure Skating...Yes I noted that its the Judges he is giving a good bashing lol...Nice post Chris my dear handsome friend.

[@EffingTogo]

Watched this at least 5 times.

[@bifftop_johnny]

It's one thing to go off on a rant and make an idiot of yourself but I love the fire and passion Sid shows here. Plus he has evidence to back it up. It's not like he was just ranting from personal biases and opinion. Good on you Sid!!!

[@BigGee614]

honestly this happens in all sports where judges decide the winner

[@MiraiElizabeth87]

I'm not American nor Canadian and I could tell there was something fishy. I wasn't that familiar with neither of the couples and I could tell. Scott and Tessa should have gotten a higher score in the short program, and overall, win the gold.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

No they should. The Americans were better, and had a more difficult short and free skate, with higher starting values.

[@ChrisMcMaster]

I got kicked out of class for laughing too hard while watching this today, Sid is the best

[@007VitaminD]

Canada deserves GOLD!!!

[@kathleengilchrist]

So sad that this could happen. Canada's pair "Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir" will always be the best in our eyes and hearts. They received a world record in their performance, which only lasted about 8 minutes when the Judges gave it too the Americans. Listen to the video and watch all the news. We are proud of Tessa and Scott.

[@nightswimmer99]

Meryl and Charlie have been better all season. Scores tend to go up as the season progresses. Not sure why anyone is surprised. Maybe they should have held the ice dance competition in Canada, like last year's Worlds... oh, wait...

[@battistimo]

Absolutely brilliant.

[@zebracake07]

Without even knowing how all the technical stuff works... Tessa and Scott's performance looked smooth and flowed perfectly. Their partnership is not comparable. Meryl and Charlie are great, I'll give them that. But their partnership just can't compare. It just didn't look quite as smooth.

[@MsTeachergeek]

That's the problem, you DON'T know how the technical stuff works. And the technical stuff is where the Americans beat the Canadians. Believe it or not, it's not about who "looks" better

[@HTHAMMACK1]

Davis and White completely outclass Virtue and Moir and have done so for two years straight. But by all means, keep coming up with whatever ridiculous, subjective BS you can to make excuses.

[@Scrahdabley]

lol his anger entertains me

[@_easymoneysniper_]

Godfather Part 2 had me rolling on the floor

[@TOkid64]

The ISU is corrupt. I've read some blogs about V & M and apparently when one specific US Judge is present, their scores are way down. Yet when he isn't present their scores were great. Now if that isn't something to work with then one has to wonder what the purpose is of the ISU. Its not the performers who are at fault, it is the judges.

[@Nobody-U-Want-2-Know]

This corruption is deeper than just ice dance judging. Look at the women's two person bobsled, run #1, first team to run, a Canadian pair, set a flawless run and had no wall touches. Second team to run, Americans, had a start that was only .002 seconds faster and they hit the wall over ten times. Yet for some unexplainable reason they were ahead of the Canadian team the entire run with a consistently increasing lead. The announcers and the Canadian team were completely befuddled as to how it could even happen. Apparently Americans are so great, the laws of physics don't even apply to them!!!

[@dude1111222]

i dont know how u can fix bobsledding but i have no freaking clue watching that today how they had a faster time. canadians have to check there sled before the last two runs. i really want an explanation as much as u do though

[@BearJew657]

When are Canadians going to learn that Americans don't care about Winter Olympics sports. Do you really think Americans care enough about the two person bobsled and ice dancing competitions to fix them. Freaking ICE DANCING ... I didn't even know ice dancing existed until 15 minutes ago.

[@dude1111222]

Craig Mandell u must be an american. u just set a record on your new sports channel with the states russia hockey game which was part of the winter olympics.(wasnt sure whether i needed to state that) good gawd u guys are dumb.

[@BearJew657]

ben opp I don't consider hockey a "Winter Olympic sport;" it is a normal sport that happens to be in the Winter Olympics. Unlike hockey, two person bobsled and ice dancing is not getting airtime in the US outside the Winter Olympics. Even if you classify hockey as a "Winter Olympic sport" the record to which you refer -- the highest viewership of a hockey game on a channel that launched two years ago -- says nothing about the popularity of hockey in the U.S. because it is comparing the ratings for U.S. vs. Russia to the ratings garnered by other hockey games (and not games in other sports). In any event ... We Americans (yes I am American) don't care about ice dancing. If I could take away the Ice Dancing gold medal away from whatever Americans won it and give it to the Canadians, I would do it. Why? Because it is ice dancing and nobody cares.

[@avemasoccer]

Craig Mandell They do however care enough to pay Millions of Dollars to BMW to spend almost 4 years with a team of ten employees, headed by Michael Scully to build the fastest Bobsleds in the world. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/sochi/2014/02/18/usa-bobsled-bmw-designworks-steve-holcomb/5549413/

[@NinoQashMoney]

Greatest sports broadcasting rant in history!!! Real talk - Tim & Sid is best radio show on planet earth.

[@GirloftheValley-]

see ya in hockey America

[@bakalameau8200]

Virtue/Moir (Canadians) have the better technique and ice dancing skills than the Americans. They crush the Americans in edgework, lines, posture and presentation. I'm neither Canadian nor American.

[@nightswimmer99]

I disagree. Constant mistakes on twizzles (Tessa) do not equal superior presentation. And if they "crushed" the Americans, they would have won at least one matchup with them in this season or the last one, they would have been 4 time World Champions rather than trading that title back and forth for 4 years and they would have won at least ONE Grand Prix Final in their career.

[@binkerrrrr]

nightswimmer99 d/w have made PLENTY of mistakes especially in the twizzles (and lifts) the past competitions they have entered as well. v/m have also never won a gpf title because the scores were fixed. they skated cleaner than d/w at 2013 gpf but still lost. can you explain that?

[@LeonScottKennedySama]

I completely agree with this. So fucking frustrating why cant anything be done about this?

[@hic2482w1]

This is amazing... Just amazing. I doubt Sid will ever see this but amazing job. This just made my day :)

[@Tttb95]

this rant is second only to his Bargnani one :P

[@kanadiankreme]

Atta boy Sid. About time someone in media speaks for the masses.

[@StealthParrot]

Perfectly said Sid. Ice Dance should be pulled from the Olympics.

[@warsilver99]

As he said though, as long as it makes them money, it won't...

[@cavalierthompson9743]

I swear Sid don't give a fuck, u kno he's passionate bout his job when he freaks out bout god damn Ice Dancing lol, n thats Y I love watchin Tim n Sid before I hit tha gym, #MYNIGGAZ!!!

[@robertkostenko7849]

Sid is the man....but Tim is a legend!!! Love you guys watch you everyday

[@BridgewatersFinest]

Preach on, Sid!

[@Seeker22000]

Any event that is decided by judges should not be allowed, winter or summer games. Think hard, how many times in figure skating does the favorite going into the games NOT win ? The medals are decided long before the games start. The favorite can skate a flawed performance and still win. The whole competition is kinda pointless.

[@Max0999999Power]

Several times even in Sochi. P Chan was the favourite in Mens single

[@MKGamingByMunish]

Watching this for the 7th time since it came out 2014; never gets old!

[@AB2INFINITY]

Here to relive the glory days

[@MKGamingByMunish]

Watching it again 😅

[@bobbypaycheque]

If it is judged then it isn't a sport.

[@MsBritnia]

gymnastics is judged, so is snowboarding, several skiing events. im sick of bros deciding what is and isnt a sport.

[@EnkiduV3]

MsBritnia If it is judged; it's not a sport, it's a competition. I enjoy several judged events, but I will readily admit that they are not sports. Any activity where the result is decided by a panel of judges has a subjective winner, not an actual winner.

[@S3v3n13tt3r5]

MsBritnia "Dancing" automatically removes the category of being a sport.

[@bobbypaycheque]

If the winner is decided on opinion rather than quantifiable means then it isn't a sport. It is spectacle and perhaps competition but it is not sport.

[@dylansmith6914]

S3V3N13TT3R5 Sport means it is "for fun" and has no inherent value. For instance there are non-competitive sports.

[@Redwingsfan210]

watching this 4 years later its still hilarious/awesome/true

[@superace1591]

I'm not sure about Ice Dancing, but man, the figure skating Team event & Ladies event were both corrupted as fuck. It was so obvious that the scores were very well-cooked! In the team event, skaters from other countries were better than those skaters who represented Russia, but surprise, Russian team won. The ladies event though was the most obvious home-cooking one. The Korean lady was FAR BETTER than the mediocre Russian skater who got away with the gold. Think of Roger Federer being defeated-'robbed' by a junior-level tennis player. Jeeeez! I swear, the judging process of figure skating is disgusting and this "sport" needs to be faced out! No one should support figure skating nor give money nor attention to it.

[@turdferguson663]

The `making it rain`` comment was epic!!!! Good for him for not towing the network line on this and telling us how he really feels.

[@pattywattytaffy2707]

10 years later and this is still one if the greatest rants ever.

[@thexnecromancer]

and still so regrettably relevant

[@AnishMikeLancaster]

Tessa and Scott won this HANDS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@matteodimarr1970]

Sid you are on fire! Love the show.

[@justinlynch6691]

I love this so much. Tim and Sid are my favourite.

[@amandasteenson]

I agree with everything except for the part saying that ice dancing is a disease. I am a figure skater and have been figure skating my entire life. I understand that edge work and lifts are hard to judge if there is no obvious deductions like falling or stumbling but you have no right to say that we should completely remove ice dancing just because of one corruption. Skaters work hard to become ice dancers and they deserve a chance in their sport.

[@canadachop]

Testify brother

[@djspbb]

Any event that requires judging is a second class sport, time and score are the only way to determine true winners.

[@Leafsfan91]

Watching this in 2022 going through the guide after the Super Bowl. Saw ice dancing on the guide, first thought was this rant.

[@dianewilson8173]

You go Sid because I would have been in the same ballpark if I had been on your show. I was livid at the whole skating. Did you see the ice when Patrick skated. It was dirtier than an outdoor rink with all the chips and everyone fell in that event. No questions. 100% agree with you. Tessa and Scott were the winners all the way. It is obvious by having over 104000 hits that this is a sore spot with a number of people and that ice skating is important to many of us and is a sport far more than anyone thought.

[@itsnothardev]

please guys, make this go viral

[@purplerabbit638]

Best Olympic rant ever. His anger fuels my rage to murder people every day!! hahaah

[@chrisclark2747]

That was amazing. Never has so much passion been put into something that doesn't matter at all. I think Sid cares more about this than even the competitors themselves. And the guy's name is Petri Kokko- too good.

[@TheTeamOden]

Love the reference to god father 2

[@avocado6623]

30k hits since I heard the show this afternoon. good job.

[@thedeadboxshow]

Sid makes my day! Shared this

[@MildlyAnnoyedAHM]

Speak on it, my Brother! Speak on it! "Ice dancing is a whore of a sport run by johns as judges" is the most apt description of this corrupt competition that I've ever heard!

[@AmaraEmme]

There used to be "tangible evidence that a is better than b"! It was called the compulsory dance, and the ISU got rid of it to pander to television networks/support less technically strong teams.

[@xtybe33]

lol I still cant believe Sid was able to keep a straight face through this entire act. Dude's hilarious

[@phjphj1]

I thought Ice dance was a Kessel Borrows fight ?????

[@SDSP13]

I watched this live and I was laughing my ass off

[@carolrodgers7893]

I heard you do this on your show yesterday...loved it!!!...Everyone is bashing ice dancing but I'd like to see them get on skates and do the lifts and figures that they do...I too think Virtue and Moir were ripped off large!! their performance was amazing and technical and the americans were not close to the emotion that the canadians showed. I think their was a conflict of interest sharing the same coach!! I loved your Rant!! keep it up for the ladies skate!! :)

[@Capt.Canada99]

even though this happened looooonnng time ago. He hit it right on the head. Ice dancing is an embarrassment to the Olympics. One of the most corrupt sports in the Olympics and in sports.

[@RobBrown88]

The Americans were expected to win ice dancing going in, and they did win. Get over it.

[@RobBrown88]

***** You want some cheese with that whine? USA was expected to win gold and they did win gold. The End.

[@AdamJamesX]

Rob Brown you look like a young peter griffin

[@Monoxide1987]

Yeah you're an idiot Rob Brown.

[@CanadaSteamBuff]

Patrick Chan made 3 serious errors - his quad, his triple axel and double axel. Hanyu made 1, but got some credit for attempting and fully rotating a quad jump. That rule of giving some credit is to encourage skaters to attempt quads. Even Patrick would tell you Hanyu deserved the gold So, Alan Scott you do not know what you are talking about.

[@domidude321]

you clearly don't know what you are talking about this video is about ice dancing not men's singles figure skating

[@CanadaSteamBuff]

READ all of my response before you criticize!!! I was not directly my comments toward the video but to Alan Scott who said Patrick Chan should have won the gold

[@canadiansabre7761]

CanadaSteamBuff then hit the reply option tho those comments

[@redherring4119]

Totally agree with Sid. How on earth is ICE DANCING a sport for pete's sake? Dancing on ice is a sport? Christ Almighty.

[@ChristopherKubicek]

The ROFLCOPTER has landed

[@Chris_T1an]

I watched the US final performance, it was perfect, and since they already have the lead, there was no way they were gonna get anything but Gold. I didn't see their other dances before the final, so maybe that's what everyones mad about. But Americans brought out their arsenals on the last one and it paid off. We Canadians need to chill. We're still proud of you Tessa and Scott.

[@MsTeachergeek]

Thank you! I entirely agree.

[@adrenalinerock11]

I agree with Tony Ambrogio's opinion on this. Tessa and Scott should not be employing the same coach (Marina Zueva) as their biggest rivals, no matter how good she may be. The coach has to pick a side.

[@Coach_Buj]

I don't care what anyone says, this was when the show was at its height. No fancy studio, no big monitors and studio lighting. Tim and Sid as radio guys was their prime.

[@Takhar7]

Yep - radio guys that happened to have a few cameras on them. Not this overly produced crap we get now

[@kyleserafini1820]

Hey. Everybody chirping Sids opinion. Shut up a second... He backed it up.

[@zeprofessergmail]

Ice dancing judge wow..If only humans could get this passionate about despot poverty..

[@sophiaa4454]

I agree that ice dancing should not be in Olympic.. Olympic in general seems like a joke with worst ref calls/judgement. But to make money out of it and frustrating publics who enjoy watching sports? Shame...

[@DethOfDrgnz]

A score system has to be put in place in order to keep corruption out of any sport. We have seen over and over again corruption at the Olympic level and Ice Dancing is at the top of the list, They need to put in point system or ban it altogether.

[@rickfauteux8169]

The media becoming the story instead of just reporting it,,,

[@grahambo8]

You know what grinds Sid's gears? Ice dancing

[@rachelwaddleton335]

"This whole sport is a disease" "ice dancing isn't a sport (actually it's figure skating) " seriously?!? Who hired this guy this to criticize this sport?! It's very difficult, I can tell you first hand, it's not easy, no, and he says he can't believe this is a sport! "Baseball isn't isn't in the Olympics, GOLF isn't in the Olympics and you're telling me what I just watched an hour ago on television is a sport!?" Give me a break

[@Tttb95]

The point that its very difficult just emphasizes his points. Its too biased and judges can add or take away a few points here and there and that could make all the difference, and no one would be the wiser. Baseball and golf are more of a sport than ice dance is, just saying.

[@TheOnlyShed]

Can someone get this guy a whiskey sour, and a bucket of Mary Browns

[@karencooke9669]

What REALLY validates the fact that something is TERRIBLY wrong with the judging is what happened when both pairs skated OFF the ice .... Marina Zoueva (the Russian coach to both pairs) was ecstatic with Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir - their performance was truly perfection and their coach beamed with pride .... When Davis and White came off the ice, it was very obvious that only a cordial hug awaited them (at best it could be described an obligatory warm embrace) - it was SO obvious with whom Zoueva would have chosen for the gold but alas .... corruption permeates it's ugly claws in too many places.

[@hankmurphy3882]

Don't these guys know that figure skating is "Sport Entertainment"; an athletic spectacle with predetermined results, like professional wrestling?

[@taniasternberg3743]

That was....AWESOME!!!

[@jamietttt]

Ice Dancing Sid's given up on you...

[@emmaplommer720]

i was very interested in the first half of this video. personally i thought that Moir and Virtue were the best and should have won gold. but i'd rather not listen to a whine about what is a sport and what isn't i understand that this judging was corrupt but i believe figure skating in a sport. understand that the judging is not always corrupt and those athletes are amazing athletes who work their asses off.

[@bubbleliciousism]

Preach it.

[@techwiz81]

No judged events should be in the Olympics. Someone who swims the fastest or scores the most goals objectively won, these corrupt events shouldn’t be in the same category

[@Jochby77]

I love this guy.

[@leftcoaster67]

66 people are with the Ice Dancing crowd.

[@ben48able]

Petri Kokko didn't invent the Finnstep by himself, he had help from this partner. The dance had to be re-arranged from a 2:30 original dance into a compulsory that can be repeated 3x in less than 2 minutes. All the couples had to in incorporate one less-than-a-minute section of the Finnstep into their short dances. The short is worth 33%, the Free Dance 66%. So what did the super expert Petri Kokko Tweet about the free dance: "Congratulations Davis & White for a gorgeous free and well deserved Olympic gold medal. Simply breathtaking! #Sochi2014″ Golly, even though he thought Davis &White were behind in his estimation in the short dance, once he saw the free dance, which he called "gorgeous" and "simply breathtaking" he concluded the gold medal was well deserved. The system now in use keeps the identities of the judges secret, and is preposterous for countless reasons. But hey, the winner of the Men's free skate fell twice, and guys who stood up made up no ground on him. Dane has tangible elements apart from jumps, so tangibility isn't the key to cleaning up the sport ... the key is tossing the ridiculous points system and recruiting unbiasd and honest judges. Ben Currie

[@joshs3505]

Russia won the team event because they had the best team skate, US won the ice dance because they had the best short and free dance programs

[@Trebliw8]

Ballroom Dancing! Give me my $20 Sid

[@hockeymind6519]

Wilbert Arenas that's not a sport it's dancing ...

[@themidnightfist]

BEST radio show on SN590/The Score. Suck it McCown!

[@heisenberg9359]

hey, shut up for a second

[@cyeryk]

Dear Sid, Power walking! Where's my $20???

[@mellowbutterfly]

Keep going to bat for Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir. They need to know 35 million people are behind them.

[@CanadianGuitarist]

That Simpsons reference was outstanding. I'm not saying it stole the show in this rant, but it should be getting more attention.

[@craigconley1872]

Wow...5yrs..seems like yesterday!!!!

[@jongkeunlee]

YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT. BUT YOU FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT WOMEN FIGURE SKATING EVENT. SAME THING HAPPENED TO YUNA FROM KOREA.

[@TorontoShayan]

Ha! ...I have the same pen as he does.

[@Jets613]

Any other cool stories?

[@christopherhowlett3547]

Jets613 I have a similar tie.

[@fernandof.2225]

The Greeks established the rules that the Olympic organization today is breaking: Greeks said: citius, altius, fortius = plus vite, plus haut, plus fort They didn't say : the prettiest If you can't measure impartially the result of an event, it shouldn't be part of the Olympic Games. If a machine without opinion can't be use, it should be an event.

[@BowAndRibbons1]

Lol this guy killing me! Hes so into the argument

[@simpsonsrock1818]

lol simpsons reference at 3:36 . bart's friend falls in love

[@joncoish]

I love tim and sid!

[@sheldonk6611]

My gut might agree with this. That being said, all that was said here was assertions. No substantive proof for any of Sid's comments. Sorry Sid! love ya buddy!

[@jeffvey7115]

someone give Sid a Snickers bar...glad timmy wasn't there to back him off

[@bigbuck5102]

this shouldnt be the "tim and sid show" these clowns are hardly ever in studio together

[@KardiFan2000]

Yeah, because they actually have a life unlike a lot of other radio personalities (Bob McCown). Clearly you're a trolling Tim and Sid fan...how else would you know they're not in studio together everyday lol.

[@roocho02]

it's amazing it's even considered a sport, yet they're considering taking out womens hockey due to competition issues. What bigger competition issue is there than corruption in judging? Second, if ice dancing is a sport, then others forms of dance should be considered for the summer olympics. Break dancing would be more tangible since there are actual moves that can be performed. Just because it's on skates doesn't mean its a sport. NO FORM OF DANCE SHOULD BE A SPORT IN THE OLYMPICS. it's just that, a dance.