'Time to BREAK UP the Home Office': Robert Jenrick puts forward NEW plan to control immigration

'The sheer numbers of people coming in has placed huge pressure on public services like housing and GPs. The types of people have invariably been low wage and low skilled individuals who do not make a net contribution to taxpayers.'
- Former Immigration Minister, Robert Jenrick, says 'time has come to break up the Home Office'.
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[@stevepalmer2389]

Wow, someone actually saying what the majority of normal people have been saying for years!

[@banginghats2]

Decades for some of us!

[@user-qu8yx6nf5d]

There is an election coming up!

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 Centuries even 🎉

[@oojimmyflip]

To late hes an Ex-minister.

[@hannahtattoo]

​@@oojimmyflip exactly! Clutching at straws much. It's going to get much worse with Labour in power too. What a joke of a country the UK has become.

[@jaynemcfarland3678]

Sack the home office they work for us.

[@Richard-Cashisking]

They used to,now they're the foreign office.

[@williamcaldwell-smith3865]

the home office they are part of the criminal cabal just puppets I'm afraid

[@GazHogan]

They DON'T, and that's the problem. They're too busy following Sunaks globalist bullsh*t.

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 At least we got sovereignty. And there’s plenty for all of us 🎉

[@marylauder3374]

They're supposed to work for the government. Instead they don't work for anyone as they can't even be bothered, and they certainly don't do what government expect them to do.

[@mogznwaz]

None of this is a surprise to any normal person with eyes and a brain

[@DilbertWhitehead]

Apparently not to most of the country though 🤦‍♂️

[@Danielmountford_]

@@DilbertWhitehead I think it's apparent and a lot of people are aware, but there's not a cohesive unit we can all get behind, so a lot become disinterested.

[@DilbertWhitehead]

@Danielmountford_ ...or pretend it isn't happening. 'Out of sight, out of mind.' To think that Blair thought 87k was too high in 2002, 22 years ago 😫 We've been so foolish

[@banginghats2]

Yeah, it's been obvious to many of us living in the real world, but the people running the country, like the civil service and politicians live in a different world of leafy suburbs, detached from the consequences of their actions. Eventually those consequences will catch up with them though, even in their affluent areas, pretty villages, gated communities, or ivory towers.

[@maccagrabme]

No one should be coming here to rely on subsidised rents or tax credits. I've seen countless elderly or disabled newcomers taking up small subsidised council and housing association flats which should be starter homes for young British workers and the amount of new build properties going to newcomers in general is shocking. This is all wrong and is stopping British people having families or being able to take certain jobs, its sinister in fact especially given that we voted for Brexit to put a stop to all of this.

[@MalePaleandStale-ko7bj]

"Mass immigration makes us poorer." Who knew?

[@Theforestbandit]

OK THEN. WHO WILL PAY FOR THEM WHEN THEY OUT NUMBER ... THE TAX PAYERS.

[@Pear-zo4em]

More depressed.

[@janjan-gran]

This is not news, many have been saying this for years but have been shouted down as racists. 😡

[@lindark28]

Exactly

[@daryllportas8453]

I always put "racist" in quotes, on account of the fact that it is a made up thing. All races are prejudice against other races. It's normal.

[@andykerr4180]

Recent migrants who are economically inactive and reliant on the public purse should be deported because they are not a net benefit to the UK.

[@blazednlovinit]

As many as reasonably possible.

[@mikefish8226]

I don't think you understand how bad it is. It's not a "recent migrants" thing. On average, migrants use more in benefits and services than they pay in taxes. This is why we have the highest taxes in 70 years AND a massive deficit. That's without social issues, housing crisis and pressure on social services.

[@XXXX-uy7oh]

Exactly!🎉🎉

[@cyberleaderandy1]

​@@mikefish8226agree. In local cities you look at migrant areas and many never work.

[@barryhill1044]

@mikefish…. In my opinion, The Home Office are gleefully rubber stamping Anyone’s and Everyone’s application for citizenship or passports Without the slightest care about the impact upon Society , Just look at some of the horror stories coming as a result, Knife crime, Murders, child grooming , Terrorism, etc Are often taking place by those that have been rubber stamped for admittance to our Country… Look, my opinion here is not racist Because We all suffer, Black as well as White communities have to live with this upsurge in Tension , overcrowding, and dangers, Just my opinion,

[@limpethead]

The home office are the traffickers

[@nehrufx]

Migrants helping migrants Close the human rights loophole and the boats will stop

[@acquiesce100]

Perfectly said.

[@susanyoung2396]

Wouldn't surprise me.

[@madmelwood3778]

Yep

[@matthowardtv]

This isn’t true, but the lack of effectiveness is due to mistakes at the Home Office IMO

[@kbolton9399]

Home Office is no longer fit for purpose and run by the wrong people 🤬

[@GazHogan]

It never was fit for purpose and that's why we have a 3rd world Islamic takeover happening.

[@StephenLan-tc5ek]

Home office is full of immigrants helping immigrants

[@banginghats2]

It's worse than not being fit for purpose, they are the enemy within.

[@missinkling]

Excellent comments here!

[@nepaliprayasgurung2594]

​​@@banginghats2I Went to home office in 2014 Central London once to renew my passport. And there were full off Indians and Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans. In top positions. They'll be helping each other out the biggest mistakes British government did was to put the people in charge who have no loyalty or love for this country!

[@UtubeRwokeLefties]

Home Office, not fit for purpose.

[@user-iw3fj3gu4n]

About time ....The British people have been saying this for the last 5 to10 years ....

[@wildsurfer12]

We’ve actually been saying this for the last 20 years.

[@Iazzaboyce]

So has the Tory Party - in the lead up to every general election...

[@HughEdwards]

This has been known about since 1994! 30 f@#king years ffs!!!!!

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 Nah , at least 60 years 🎉

[@GazHogan]

And more

[@mallard4495]

We’re made poorer, yes, but more importantly, far LESS SAFE!

[@Thirdfish]

These idiots are supposed to be in control of the country and we have had 14 years of it. The Home Office are a joke too.

[@GazHogan]

30 + years more like.

[@user-vu3gy1dt7p]

They get paid enormously by radical groups. Money is too important, nationalism is rubbish.

[@user-kf7wm6kt6o]

14 years ? Where have you been for the last 50 years..?

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 Well over 70 years 🎉

[@XstaticState69]

Try since WW2.

[@yvonnewhitfield5425]

All talk, no action, BRITAIN is already on its knees, too little too late 😢

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 It’s hilarious and pathetic in equal measure. Who would have thought that the empire would collapse due to the former colonial subjects power over all things British 🎉

[@annebrown4831]

It is never too late. That isnt the British attitude. Forritude, strengrh, determination and direct action is needed.

[@daryllportas8453]

It's never too late! "Only he is lost that gives himself up for lost."

[@daryllportas8453]

@@AntiSepticUK I would. You see "The British Empire" is a very devious and malicious thing. It's first conquest was England, stripping from it, its constitution, its parliament and its right to determinition while making its people think they were at the top of the chain. Now it has returned its attention to England to replace its people with the other peoples. Dissolve the British Union and you will save England!

[@AntiSepticUK]

@@daryllportas8453🎉 lol. You’re in cuckoo land. It’s game over son. Come on, back to work now, there’s plenty hotel bills still need paying 🎉

[@MiemKing]

Who in the home office gave all these people citizenship.. call them out.. & Who's really behind it.. Find, arrest &. Jail.. ☝️

[@blazednlovinit]

The only real citizens are the English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh... all others do not have the consent of the people, who are the ultimate authority

[@craigs3007]

I think the idea of dishing out citizenship to anyone and everyone was from Cameron.

[@Tod-ig2cd]

It will be the INDIVIDUAL who phones up HOTELS and BRIBES them with a shit load of money to shut doon there HOTELS and house illegal IMMIGRANTS aye want that INDIVIDUALS name to ‼‼

[@XXXX-uy7oh]

& DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT!🎉🎉

[@blondie7341]

Without mass deportations this is all far too little far too late. Pathetic

[@g7eit]

If you’re a vegetable on your way across the channel to be sold at market, there’s a ton of paperwork to do. If you’re an illegal migrant then you’re here in no time and no paperwork……. Think about that.

[@missinkling]

👍👍👍

[@madmelwood3778]

😂😂😂😂❤❤❤

[@derykhawkins2199]

We want "a compassionate and fair system" for the indigenous population !!!!!

[@neilbeckett5513]

It's not just the boats. They are arriving on flights without passports. Government wants this 😢

[@bye-72]

Blair’s fault, we were never asked.

[@Joseph32547]

How about a compassionate and fair solution to the native people of England.

[@snakeplissken5480]

so 14 years too late the torys think they might have found the answer ... if only they were in power

[@craigs3007]

If only they had a stonking majority so that they could do what it takes. To be fair though, Sunak is working hard to reduce that majority, and apparently has an aim of zero seats in the next GE.

[@dodgywheelsandropeywiring5697]

@@craigs3007 If it's not socialist/communist it's not going to happen no matter who is in Downing street, the civil service, unions, corrupt courts and the central bank rules. Never make the mistake of thinking we have a democracy.

[@johnwainwright820]

Natalie Elphicke is as bad as Kier Starmer she cannot make up her mind what she actually stands for.

[@peterbuckley5204]

She'll back anyone in char

[@peterbuckley5204]

She'll back anyone in charge to keep her money coming in

[@Jess-C]

Herself

[@vincentpickering6568]

She'll fit in well with the Labour government then won't she..?

[@nickylee1408]

Same old shite different day

[@user-vo2ns7bc5u]

No chance they will support it.

[@antonysteel8061]

We need less politicians and cut civil service from 500,000 to 100,000

[@deborahcoveney8846]

Yes need to get rid of the House of Lords and reduce the number of MPs to half too

[@keithlowton308]

PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE REFORM.

[@lyndaralph2335]

It's the quality of the immigrant, not the quantity. Only immigrants who are able to support themselves and have high skills we need should be welcomed. The Home Office is full of people with their own agenda. They are there to carry out government policy nothing else. Too many left wing staff.

[@bengunn3698]

@lyndara Correct , although insisting on quality will automatically limit the quantity .

[@petewitkowski5315]

Agree with you on that one.The government should put out the message, No freebies and benefits. If you have no Job or accommodation to come to.Dont bother coming.

[@Sam-gw5pl]

The home office is like a cancer running though this country.

[@liamwodz5405]

What you need to remember is, there is a tiny percentage of people getting very rich from all this poverty.

[@coventrypunx1014]

The people who work at the home office are never held accountable for the shoddy work that they do

[@iainrumsey7672]

Time to break up the lords, streamline the commons, the civil service and the waste of money and resources they all seem to create. Time for pro Britishness and common sense to kick in. Get rid of Mayors too! Another layer of bureaucracy and a total waste of money.

[@neuralwarp]

Saying that you care and intend to act means nothing to us. You need to act, and the time to do it was 35 years ago it's too late now. We're not listening.

[@daryllportas8453]

The first best time to do it was, actually, 75 years ago. The next best time is now. It's never too late, and not listening is a weakness not a strength. Let's take whatever we can get, and then seek more.

[@DilbertWhitehead]

Robert should join Reform. They need some more names as Tice just doesn't have the pulling power

[@laurenceseale]

We all know who we need,if he can be bothered.

[@DilbertWhitehead]

​@laurenceseale he's leaving it rather late though...

[@anneheard9381]

Tice oh my goodness 🙈 hs ruining it for reform. Where is he?

[@boota1979]

@DilbertWhitehead Then perhaps they could change the name to The Reformed Conservative Party. Have you people got such short memories that you cannot remember Jenrick is one of the Tories who have been at war with the British public, he couldn't give a toss about the British people. He's as dodgy as they come.

[@elainepreston9061]

Let's hope Nigel will save us. Vote Reform

[@Rabmac1UK]

FINALLY ...................What WE KNEW all along

[@defaultpanic]

From the scumbag that allowed it all to happen

[@fmyouthdev]

He speaks well, but I would question what he did when he was actually in power to make changes?

[@banginghats2]

How much damage will Labour do in the next five years though? Let's face it, we are pretty much screwed as a country.

[@maureenbarclay2127]

According to Jordan Peterson the labour party will turn the UK into Venezuela. That's how bad a Canadian thinks a labour party will be for our country

[@daryllportas8453]

One thing I've learned about history is that it's never a done deal and things are never really finished. Events are dynamic. I've never seen so much conversation about immigration and I've never seen such a rise in our people's interest. When things start to look the worst of all is when they will start to turn in our favour.

[@smitz7847]

@@daryllportas8453 that is true. It is certainly a topic talked about by everyone all of a sudden. Khan being re-elected was a sad but eye opening moment for people as well. We all know how bad it is

[@pickleperryemz]

Anybody who has been paying attention has known this for decades, I just don’t understand how some people still have their heads in the sand.

[@Christcrusader98]

Home office should be held accountable and face prison time

[@Lak702]

The streets are dirtier and nobody wants to integrate or even say hello.

[@bengunn3698]

@Lak If you are so enarmoured of integrating with third world tribesmen shouldn't you be in Africa , Pakistan or wherever . They will be glad to intergrate with you .

[@Lak702]

@@bengunn3698 I'm proud of you using your new word even if you contributed zero to the conversation.

[@annebrown4831]

Step 1, get all of them back into the office where they can be properly supervised.

[@angelsone-five7912]

Those of us who live at ground level have known all of this for years.

[@user-bz9cb8bp2y]

So ordinary folk seen this years ago, why did it take you lot so long to notice.... 😢♥️🇬🇧

[@D2theBomb]

My area IS FLOODED and THEY HAVE MULTIPLE CHILDREN SO NEED BIGGER, NEWER HOUSES! Glasgow City Centre now full of racially grouped gangs hell bent on warring wirh each other bringing their previous hostilities from back home! 🙏👍💕🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@madmelwood3778]

I love Glasgow.. have some fab memories of nights out there with some.family...this makes me sad

[@keithlevoir608]

You would have to sack them all and start again

[@madmelwood3778]

Yep

[@robertrickett1636]

Someone needs locking up for all this

[@trondog8503]

Just what have they done to our Country.

[@iancoles1349]

Home office is a gravy trail

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉You mean there’s a trail… of … gravy? 🎉

[@Wolfways]

Blah blah blah. I'm sick of hearing talk and not seeing any action.

[@JoolzThePirate]

Hold on a second…. they’ve had 13 years to do this, I mean it’s fucking obvious

[@Knighted357]

It’s not just illegal migration that’s the issue. As Douglas Murry pointed of an Ex-Hamas leader lives on benifts in the Uk . You think he’s not plotting and planning or spreading propaganda with his like minded friends.

[@madmelwood3778]

Top of them live here according to DM

[@michaelcraddock8579]

I wonder who put him up to this ??? Must be Election year ???

[@craigs3007]

I suspect that you, like me, are tired of hearing someone from the government talking tough. We've heard it all before. They talk about what they are going to do, and then do nothing - at least until it's time to give another tough talk.

[@nat75kemp]

Weve been saying this for 20 yrs 😢

[@craigrushworth1744]

And all this has been going on for years

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 Centuries 🎉

[@ianbayliff2397]

Amazing how it's taken 20 plus years for the government to catch onto what the public has known for all this time. We want our industry back and scrap Net Zero😅

[@adamhammond3739]

The Time has come for me to go to bed i am too old for this s..hit 😆

[@sirrodneyffing1]

Why stop there? Foreign Office, Environment Agency, Planning Inspectorate, OBR, English Heritage, MOD Procurement and Recruitment, Police, and on and on, all need massive reform.

[@user-it7lf7kk8m]

Foreign students should not be allowed to stay on at all. If an employer want to employ them at the end of a course it should be under a separste work visa. Neather category should implicitly allow relatives to enter, and their should never be an implicit family component for any other class of visa or permanent residency. Visas should be for fixed term only

[@StudiosNYC54-tl9pt]

The first job Jenrick needs to do is inform the British public that he is going to propose coming out of the ECHR, but that aint going to happen is it ? We know that there is no intention of that happening from the govt , so how can you realistically affect any real changes at all with illegal migration ( with boats coming in day after day adding to the pressure) when anything done is surely just going to be overridden by ECHR !!

[@karlroberts5138]

I said this several years ago. Same applies to the foreign office, the DWP and Health Service. All need breaking up.

[@cloudsdrinkwater5398]

Mass replacement before our very eyes. The worst part is that it’s now too late to do anything - nearly every town / city is infested with them.

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 Lots of countries in history felt that exact feeling, today we call it enrichment, previously it known as empire 🎉

[@trainedmunkie]

Not to late. Just getting there.

[@Tod-ig2cd]

And lets get the names of the taxi service called the RNLI who are trafficked illegal IMMIGRANTS too audited there bank accounts and off shore acounts too

[@darrinmcneill534]

Break up the home office stop all benefits and re assess all claimants

[@lesleywild8706]

It is election time (the merry-go-round) all MPs can say what they want - but not keep any of their promises?

[@defaultpanic]

Says the 'man' - recently Immigration Minister under whos watch immigration reached record levels, in his new guise of I will now say whatever it takes to assist my rise to the top. A very slippery unprincipled and mercenary individual, with previous for using position as a tool for lining his own pockets.

[@chuckh5999]

yes the hypocrisy was rather apparent.

[@defaultpanic]

@@chuckh5999 😂👌

[@jayhaddock4498]

The Home office and the Goverment and the Mayor all need to be held ACCOUNTABLE for putting the britsih public in harms way once again. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@julielittle1270]

This man is spot on He always talks sense👍

[@tg007ful]

yeah, he's such a genius that he waited until now to speak up, when he was in Office...not so much

[@williamallen875]

Oh yes he talks very well. He talks and talks and talks. They all do.

[@EnglishTurbines]

It's taken them all these YEARS TO REALISE THIS...?....🤔🤔😳😳🙄🙄🙄🇬🇧

[@johnwoodward4319]

Does it take an Ex-minister to tell us what we have known for years. Both the Home Office and House of Lords needs breaking up as both are completely useless.

[@nickjung7394]

Not just the Home Office! Take a look at the antics of the Foreign Office!

[@paulcartwright6739]

Why don't you just blame yourself? You didn't make the Home Office work.

[@davidglover9210]

What about only English people in the home office.

[@stephenjohnson9560]

Blah Blah Blah !!!!!!!

[@davidcolville7741]

Great idea to break up the Home Office but will never happen. We do not have strong enough government to take on the powerful civil servants who actually run things

[@user-tm7ld1dx6f]

My granddad told me this when I was younger and I called him racist because the whole school and media was telling me to think like that and now I feel like a fool

[@nickjung7394]

Perhaps you are!

[@user-tm7ld1dx6f]

@@nickjung7394 why, he lived in Lambeth Brixton through the windrush and through the 80s had to deal riots and looting from the black community at the time in the area and my was a little girl in Brixton getting bullied by the black community in school and on the street leading up to my family moving out of London and the family home my great grandad fought a war to defend his home and family, it's just what happened you can say I'm racist but that's the truth of what happened to my family in 1980s Lambeth London

[@nickjung7394]

B​@@user-tm7ld1dx6fI was referring to your statement that you "feel like a fool"!

[@user-tm7ld1dx6f]

@@nickjung7394 I was a fool I can fully admit that

[@nickjung7394]

​@@user-tm7ld1dx6f too!

[@oojimmyflip]

This is typical an Ex-minister yelling about something he should have done when he was a minister.

[@steptay]

The working class majority have known this since Blair but politicians have continually ignored us so your donors friends could get richer & richer whilst we’ve become poorer & poorer not just financially but our quality of life too!

[@kbeetles]

No, the party has proven enough times that it cares not a jot about any central issues..... I am done with politics.

[@LornaKellyZim]

What about the hundreds of thousands here, bleeding the system????

[@JaneAbbasvand]

We need a law that home students and graduates must come first in employmen

[@ameetlibran9845]

It's absolutely Bizzare...this country 🇬🇧 has made Legal Tax paying Migrants life so difficult due to the Stringent Immigration & Employment Laws. Where as 75K Illegally entered Migrants are living at a 4 & 5* Hotel with all inclusive package on the Cost of these Hard working Tax payers. Just doesn't make sense.

[@kevinmoore7255]

This why we wanted Brexit! Use ex - army people to create homeland security.

[@JACB006]

The real reason we have had these huge numbers of immigrants is because the UK joined the EU Project. Hopefully we will soon be able to reverse the trend having given it a real go and found it to be a huge mistake. I appreciate that only those over 35 will remember how things used to be, but the older generation must try and convince the younger generation that this is not a race issue, it is an ideology, societal and infrastructure necessity. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@john-xo9mg]

Who would have thought it ,letting in untold numbers of unskilled people would be bad for the country and infrastructure. You couldn't make it up .

[@mallard4495]

The Middle East, North Africa and Turkey… yep, I concur. Not wanted here.

[@colinnewmarch1106]

If migration is so great as Tony Blair said years ago,which opened the floodgates,, and it was supposed to have boosted the economy why is our economy in the doldrums

[@percival74898]

TALK TALK TALK ...IT'S TIME TO ACT!!!

[@alanhaynes418]

Just look at the ethnic makeup of the Home Office and the source of most of our problems is revealed!

[@krtcampbell9007]

And there you have it. He is part of the problem as well. Saying we all want a kind migration policies. No we don't that cost a lot of money but we want an effective; fast fair migration policies and thats all. Not more cash thrown at the problem being generous and kind with our tax money.

[@schofield4836]

Illegal immigration is miniscule compared to the vast numbers of completely legal immigrants and their families that have been allowed in. Fund the universities properly in the first place then they wouldn’t keep bringing them in for their funding. And pay British people decent wages in the care sector

[@Tony11806]

Yes its legal immigration that's the real problem and there are probably tens of millions of legal immigrants and their offspring in Britain.

[@XXXX-uy7oh]

Not much!😌😌🙏🏻🇬🇧 This current mess is an absolute disgrace Gross Mismanagement 🙏🏻🇬🇧

[@madmelwood3778]

Why would be " fund them properly " when the level of education they are giving is so very sadly lacking?

[@user-fm7qh4sn2f]

Too late..tories had 13 years Too do this.now they say what we've been saying and telling them..

[@Chris-xv2gm]

This case should have been made 14 years ago. No use now.

[@kimcatchpole1665]

How can EU migrates help working part time claiming universal credit getting housing rent help and free health care . And send money back own countries.????? Then the same with boat migrates sitting in hotels living off taxpayers ?? Both arre waste of time .

[@lyndadavies7129]

The mind boggles as to how this has been allowed to happen....its unbelievable!!!!

[@FakeIt2023]

We Give Millions to France to prevent the boats. I want my Money Back!

[@happygolucky8245]

Too little to late should of put all the Illegal immigrants crossing the channel again illegally on cruise ships nice ships there are still a lot off them at anchor after COVID and processed them offshore where migration can be controlled how hard would that of been

[@GazHogan]

The Tories obviously don;t want to take the "common sense" approach. The boats escalated out of control on JOHNSON and PATELS watch.

[@derc12561]

Oh, that would be inhumane to put those poor people running for their lives, on ships most people can not afford a holiday on 🥲

[@janetwhitehead605]

Bit to late now

[@lisah9561]

no, it really isnt.

[@AntiSepticUK]

@@lisah9561🎉 Yes it really is 🎉

[@user-hj2ft5ut7l]

How about compassion for brits ,I mean real bits.

[@AntiSepticUK]

🎉 Gizza bit 🎉

[@stevesmyth4982]

The people who live in the densely populated inner city areas have known this for thirty years.

[@billy6817]

Keep up the good work

[@stephan5673]

Can we get this guy in control of immigration A.S.A.P

[@defaultpanic]

Top ignorance... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That is outstanding!

[@Spaceman-jk5fb]

His Party has been in power for 14 years 😂

[@defaultpanic]

@@Spaceman-jk5fb He was IMMIGRATION MINISTER for 3 of them

[@thelastsaxon6279]

It hasn't delivered anything accept crime, cost and pain.

[@drdeadred851]

The whole "who is going to look after the elderly" question is pretty easily solved, their children. Its natural normal thing that has always happened before and is done in many parts of the world with a similar standard of living to us in the UK. Frankly if we wanted the luxury of being able to dump our parents in a home with poor people to look after them then we shouldnt have allowed our population to stop growing naturally decades ago and we should have come to terms that there would be long term losses to the near zero economic growth we have as a massive welfare state. The world isnt magic, there is not some infinite pile of money we can just drain to make our problems go away. If you dont have children then frankly thats your own fualt or just bad luck, for a country to continue to exist people need to have children its as simple as that. Argument's around not having enough money for a child are made totally redundant by the fact most people who do have kids are poor to begin with anyway, the richer people get the less children they have is the near universal trend. Having children is just in pure economic terms the single most important thing 50% of the country will ever contribute to the economy, given their otherwise going to be a net-negative on the tax-welfare system their whole life otherwise. Carers will still exist they'll just have to be paid more to attract domestic workers, or people will have to send their parents to a care home aboard which out of all the options seems the most likely and far more sane than just importing the third world here instead.

[@madmelwood3778]

Had me all the way until the part of not having kids. I cannot have them.