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[@MattKaneVA]

Ive been running bloodsucker for survivability and the pesti as backup. Mostly heroic pve. The ticks are pretty big, and it adds a layer of strategy for passing them on. Pretty fun

[@G-X41822N]

solid! thanks for trying this out brother. by the way if you're interested in unstoppable force, try Backbone backpack with double crit (if you found any), change to weapon core and you're good to go.

[@RaulNigli]

Glad to see that you're giving credit where credit due to Dod!

[@AgentGeo]

Yes. I was so happy to not see Optimist on your weapon. So many people run that and do not use it properly. I have been switching to killer on all my weapons and i can definite say i hit a heck of a lot harder. Also i feel unstoppable force has really made a comeback this season. I have been using it on a bunch of builds and i had forgotten how good it actually is. This is such a simple yet effective build!

[@martinmiller3765]

I still prefer the Striker bp for it's consistency.

[@ShiftNova]

My go to build for damage is Perfect Glass Cannon and Vigilance. That hasn't changed since War Lords of New York.

[@djtickle]

You are winning

[@chadmiles4259]

Amen brother 👏🏾

[@Celestial-Lia]

Yeah same. I'm sure I take the same damage with PGC than without it anyway so I would rather get a kill faster and not worry about incoming damage.

[@SkonyD_46]

yep same here.

[@MechanicMitch]

Depends on the circumstance. Mission drives the build haha Solo pve “general play” it’s 4 red 2 blue, strikers, Ceska oblit chest, groupo bloodsucker backpack. Backfire striker haz pro, yes, backpack and Ceska oblit + Ceska knees or gloves or holster. Incursion? red striker with coyote, yes backpack

[@TheRob2D]

On my 4 blue Strikers I like The Devil's Due bag and Catharsis but that's more of a Legendary idea. And I agree about Coyote for group play, no need to change IMO. Oh and try Memento + Everyday Carrier for your solo Striker. Two blue is enough, I think you'll enjoy it!

[@kylecalder8628]

Still can't convince me to ditch my Lightweight M4 build 😅

[@andrewk9241]

kept the backpack on and used the new exotic holster with obliterate

[@a1racer441]

Nice I’ve been avoiding strikers since the nerf was kind of bummed about it. Guess it’s time to go back and change it up a little.

[@Dunill56]

I accualty tryed unstoppenly force on a build on my third character..i can say it worked fine for me👍

[@TheRob2D]

For solo Strikers I go with Memento and the Everyday Carrier. And I honestly don't think anything is ever going to beat that no matter what this or that spreadsheet says. And for group play, Coyote is always gonna be nice so IMO I don't think we really have to mod our builds even in light of the update changes.

[@DerpyMcSquirtle]

I run the perfect blood sucker back pack and fenris chest with obliterate but I also run a fair few blue cores too as I’m not keen on all red builds

[@luisxaynielgonzalez7950]

That's exact my build 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽

[@danjackson9173]

been using Perfect Glass Cannon and Vigilance 4 piece strikers since update

[@LI_MIGI]

Imagine we had division 1 striker with the healing holy

[@djtickle]

I want it :)

[@joelchoquet5183]

I run coyotes mask 4 striker perfect spotter chest flatline Lexington

[@SaltandPepperX]

I don't use backpack and it's easier as you can run anywhere without changing and saves a loadout

[@40proofbleach81]

How does it scale with bosses and in groups where you arent guaranteed to hit all stacks tho.

[@chadmiles4259]

Yo DJ I never thought about using unstoppable force I’m going to try it out Sometimes when I feel the need for survival but I want that raw power I like running striker with Ceska/Bloodsucker🔴🔴🔴 Grupo/Intimidate 🔴🔴🔴

[@ersamson]

with the distance you're shooting the enemy, would Ranger on your Lexi be better?

[@djtickle]

If your playing super long range all the time, I cant be bothered swapping in and out depending on levels etc.

[@d15p4tch6]

Maybe in group play! Ranger will be at 14% amp damage at 21 meters, so if you're at or beyond that at all times, it's better than Flatline at the very least. For solo, Killer is better, so long as you've got decent uptime.

[@ckeymille]

Urban mdr/ranger talent. 5m crits. You wont even need to get close.

[@Allison_Chanes]

I can't believe no one has said this.. I guess no one really checks anything or everyone just loves the hype of "new" things.. but - Strikers w/ backpack does *The Exact Same Damage.* Literally. Actually a little bit more.. With the same CHC & CHD, I hit 1.5M crits to the head with both builds, and 1.2M to Armor. I have all the same stats, same expertise, same everything. DJ would get the same results as well, he has in previous videos. To be clear, when you hit 1.5M to the head in the range - that is after you have stripped the armor of the Invulnerable Elite, so DTH applies (from the AR attribute). This is the same for both builds, it just didn't seem like you realized. If you don't believe me, go back and watch it - you can see that the dummy doesn't regain his armor when blasted to the head, so it's continuous DTH. I'm not hating on the build or anything, not by any means. I run the same build in certain circumstances (hence the ability to test it right away), and I've tested it before, and just as it did then; it hits the exact same as Striker w/ Backpack. You can see this if you watch the gameplay at the end. He Crits a little bit over 1M at full stacks, same a BP Striker. You see it go up to ~1.2MM at the end of the first section when targeting the chungas - which lines up, since it is also DTH. In my opinion, the Stikers backpack is better, since you can get stacks on any enemy - including a single one - and they aren't lost as fast. Even if they are, they are more easily regained, and don't require multiple enemies / kills. One mag with a Lefty, or two mags of a Dark Winter, for example, gives you max Striker Stacks *and* max Obliterate stacks, and you didn't need 4/5 more kills to get there. Just my opinion though. I actually think Vigilance is better than both of those, depending on the circumstance.. by YMMV. Edit: I am not at all trying to shit on this video or @DJtickle - I am a long time subscriber and I enjoy your vids. I just believe in not taking everything 100% as fact from the internet (or anyone) right away, just because.. and having fair comparisons with all of the data available, and a bit more "rigorous" testing, as well as a nuanced understanding of the builds and results. I am only providing a different perspective. I also may have missed something.. but I doubt it lol

[@Dan-hx4lc]

Of course the Striker backpack is better than Unstoppable Force. You’re ditching amplified damage for an extremely conditional potential 25% TWD.

[@Allison_Chanes]

@ Yeah.. that was my exact thought when I first saw this, honestly. And you're right, Striker even has its own specific amp calculation. But there is literally nothing but praise, not even the odd contrarian (I guess that's me.. lol), so I thought maybe I was missing something. Nope. Just KZbin I guess. Not using the backpack has never been "better" than other options for a very good reason - and it is still not. Thanks, my sanity was slipping away..

[@d15p4tch6]

@@Allison_Chanes Are you saying the Striker backpack is taking the Striker amp bonus from 65% to 100%, like it used to? This would make the product of Striker x obliterate 2.4 (2*1.2). Tickle's build here is a 2.3925 mutliplier (1.2*1.25*1.65). So that would make the two builds pretty much equal in terms of damage.

[@carlomandacina4617]

Hmmmmmm!!! Interesting!

[@brassbat]

Meh. I'll stick with momento. I've never run a random grp and not been in the top slot by a huge margin. I dont raid or do the incursion. I ran with a random grp the other day for daily mission/project with my hybrid striker (5reds,1blue, 5yellow) and i completely dominated. 2 bil dmg done, 162 kills. The guy closest to me in dmg only did 624mil 34 kills.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

Tickle is in permanent, all red core, all the time, brain mode.

[@brassbat]

@grumpyoldman6503 You are who you run with. I stand alone.

[@MilesDupree]

What is this lexington gun, Im coming back after a full year hiatus. is that a world drop? ALSO HELLO UNCLE!

[@TheRob2D]

They gave it away for free before Christmas for some reason. It's basically a LVOA-C from Division 1.

[@MilesDupree]

@TheRob2D damn. I missed out

[@dmnafx]

I don't see any point in using the Aggressor without the backpack since it increases damage scalability. I think using the Memento is valid, but without the Aggressor's vest. The aggressor's set without the backpack and wearing the vest, even using the Memento is completely meaningless, because even with the weapon damage from the Memento the vest is difficult to increase stacks in PVE. I only use the aggressor complete with vest and backpack in content such as the Countdown and Incursion where the enemies are more resistant.

[@Dbear-p1m]

I feel like the memento used to be really good

[@shannonhall8870]

Are we saying that the chest and back pack are not good anymore?

[@Dan-hx4lc]

Nothing has changed with the chest piece, it’s just not best in slot in most cases, especially on a red build. Countdown, raids & 4-man Legendaries are where it has use. You’re better off with the much quicker to proc damage from either Obliterate or Spotter in other content.

[@kostistsiutras4373]

been using exactly this build but with spotter on chest and flatline on the Lexi, every single item expertise 27 and Rock n Roll shotty for stacks

[@SuaveBread]

Does ungabunga damage but make 1 human mistake and you'll regret wearing it. Skill issues perhaps but we're human and ultimately it's just game. But a good build goes a long way, don't wear literal shit.

[@lchgamer5598]

i'm using a stiker gearset except for body armor because i'm using the unbreakable armor skill as my survival with reviver hive and crusader shield for rifle. still fun to use in heroic PVE

[@stephenphillips7699]

I never use backpack. Still running momento. With a Palisade vest with obliterate.

[@djtickle]

Look at swapping out the momento its the worst of the options.

[@stephenphillips7699]

@djtickle that unstoppable looks interesting. Never ever used it before.

[@OpenWrldHeadHunter]

@@djtickleeh… in a spread sheet yeah not the best, but striker does so much dmg all on its own memento definitely lets you kinda turn your brain off and clear content, especially for long open world xp farming. I rarely use it but from time to time is kinda nice to have a stronger shield, more armor and still have a decent ttk.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

​@OpenWrldHeadHunter bonus armor is king for face rolling content vs sweating every red bar that gets a bead on you.

[@mikerzisu9508]

The answer is no. A ceska vigilance bp will do more

[@Dan-hx4lc]

Right. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Vigilance gives you exactly what Unstoppable Force can potentially give you if you can fully proc it. Vigilance just makes sense, the other doesn’t at all. You’re literally nerfing yourself.

[@deejaythenobody]

Should change the title to solo build.. in a group it’s hard to keep unstoppable force up.

[@djtickle]

or just use Vigi like i said....

[@deejaythenobody]

just as bad.. you said the mission was legendary.. you take damage all the time.

[@Dan-hx4lc]

Group legendary, Striker backpack and chest are the better options.

[@simontaylor9362]

Shout out to dod, proper leg end!!

[@bigjay52]

🫡Yessir, As a daily solo heroic pve guy exclusively running my Chameleon and Glass Cannon now at shd level 9k, the Strikers bp was always a non-starter over the Momemto. Overall I still prefer the Hunter Fury set👍

[@grumpyoldman6503]

I still cant wrap my mind around running all red builds in TU22. Modifiers are cracked for damage. Striker 100% unnecessary. Maybe find a new build people...

[@Dan-hx4lc]

Because blue cores are next to useless. It’s a false sense of security.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

@Dan-hx4lc you clearly don't run with bonus armor builds. Tell me you don't know what you are talking about without saying you don't know what you are talking about, lol.

[@SkonyD_46]

blue builds suck

[@OscarSlapp]

Big Horn, Groupo chest/obliterate , Eagles Grasp gloves, the rest Strikers= 2.8 million

[@switchx182]

So. . I run backpack and chest striker then coyotes and fox's prayer...I am doing 2.2 million with Lexington and 850k with rockn roll.. yes we need to build stacks but most of my guns vector sBR and lex have measured....my strego and chameleon have rate of fire 🔥 I know dtoc is meta but I like fast burst bullets

[@Dan-hx4lc]

Do a google search regarding the “Measured” talent. There’s a full math breakdown showing how completely trash it is. I believe in one test it actually decreased DPS compared to a non-damage weapon talent.