Time To Update The 30-06 AI? - Season 3 Episode 8

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

In 1906 the 30-06 was born. It was effective on Germans, Austrians, deer, elk, moose, bears (all), caribou, and criminals. What has changed since 1906...............NOTHING! 30-6 still the GOAT!

[@drizler]

Great for its day. In military though I still prefer the 556 for a couple reasons. Much of it is target aquisition and reaquisition. Then there is recoil. I’m not afraid of it but with my issue M16 A1 I could pile them in on target as fast as it could pull the trigger or just tug and release sending 3-4 witching a shoulder wide spread T 300 yards. The M1 ( yea I had one for a period as a scoped sniper rifle on Special Recovery team) jumped up and you lost the sight picture. The same happens with the M14. Muzzle climb and lost sight picture. It may not mean much hunting but in a combat situation it’s a major consideration . Weight of the ammo also is a big thing when you are humping it. Anyone who has carried food for the “ Pig” or its 240 spawn knows well the huge difference between in weight😉 For years now there’s been an old range instructor who demonstrates this well using the 556 vs 762. All these have particular advantages and disadvantages and trade off To consider. Besides, you are hunting man pig not a rhino. Everyone I ever spoke to who met any of these preferred the small 762 drilled hole to being launched through the air like Superman as one unfortunate put it or a big chunk of meat fly off as the 556 does.

[@jjjr.1186]

​@@drizler yes but at long range. And against body armor 3006 is better than 556 and 308. Ar10s in 3006 are very affordable now. Great lakes 3006 ar10s are 999$. Bear Creek arsenal makes 3006 ar10 rifles. Remington 750. Beretta r1 rifles. Browning bar mk3 rifles. Pietta chronos. Souer 303 rifles. Vepr ak 3006. Fn49. And yugo m76 in 3006 are some options. 3006 is more powerful than 308. Has better range. And more punch. With buffalo bore ammo u can even match 300win mag velocity and power. 3006 is also extremely common. And u can find cheap 3006 pretty easy. I got some ppu recently for 15$ a box. And have gotten steel cased for 8$ a box a few years back.

[@jjjr.1186]

​​@@drizler I have an old Remington 740. It's been utterly reliable and decently accurate. It has a frame mounted ejector unlike all other Remington rifles and has no receiver wear. I want to buy a bolt gun in 3006 to pair with it. But I also own 6.5grendel. And 7.62x39. And I'll get a 556 soon. It's just a small caliber.

[@itllkeal]

I believe the 30-06 is the best all around bullet ever. Light weight and heavy for caliber are accurate without tumble and able to take anything from ground hogs with the 55 gr and all the way up to elephant with the 220gr monolithic solids. I'm not saying the best for anything but I'm saying it's my favorite single rifle to own

[@jaydunbar7538]

30-06 is a cartridge not a bullet

[@linkbond08]

The best thing I ever bought for my 30-06 was a bench-less reloading press. You basically get the "one rifle to do it all" cheat code. Light subsonics for rabbits and squirrels up close? Yep! don't blow your ears out. Light screaming fast loads for coyotes and groundhogs? Yessir! 100gr speer at close to 3,500fps Full power loads for everything in North America? You got it! all the way up to 220gr in the standard 1:10" twist barrels.

[@letsdothis9063]

I have never heard of a 55grn .30 cal bullet. Is it shaped like a watch battery?

[@mj_slender6717]

​@letsdothis9063 there used to be 30/06 accelerator rounds. Loads with a 55 grain sabot. Over 4100 fps if memory serves me right.

[@linkbond08]

@@mj_slender6717 I have a box, they're crazy fast, but not very accurate.

[@diggernash1]

Ron, your open mindedness and desire to learn is admirable. Thank you for bringing that attitude to your videos

[@maguslascivious4980]

Open minded... unless it's a .308 lol..

[@diggernash1]

@maguslascivious4980 lol. I've hunted with a .308 for 37 years. It does most things good, but nothing best.

[@maguslascivious4980]

@@diggernash1 But it does it... I mean, that's a lot of cartridges. Ron just likes to shit on the .308 when he can and I get a chuckle out of it.

[@jimparker7778]

A versatile and easy-to-reload cartridge. the 30.06.

[@farmersneed]

I like to imagine a guy spending countless hours reading literature and pondering scientific studies just to finally come to the conclusion that he'll use .30-06

[@RME1911]

Yep, I am that guy lol

[@firstjohn3123]

Yep, that's me, 30/06 as my go-to with a 370 Sako as my backup "big gun"...😂 No stunning ballistical heroism, just effective every time from either one. (Just had to have something a tad different on the 370...¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯).

[@scottsammons7747]

Each time I look at another gun, my wife asks: " What will it do that your '06 won't?" I just shake my head and say "Not much." Being married to a bookkeeper has helped my bank balance, but stunted my rifle collection.

[@russellkeeling4387]

What I enjoy about Ackley were his studies on the strength of different rifle actions. Some were surprisingly strong. Like the Win. model 94 action and the Japanese arikari or however it's spelled.

[@rosshill2565]

My Father had a 30-06 AI improved built in late 1970's he started reloading for finding the best combo of bullets and powers. It took a while, but by late 1980's new powders and better bullets shot around 2970 with 180 and 2850 with 200 grain Nosler Partions. That was good for the time 30 plus years ago.

[@firstjohn3123]

Still a super nice round. Very nice 👍👍

[@brianklamer3328]

Your explanation of maximum point blank range with the analogy of a 6"pipe is the best. Thanks for another great video.

[@ronsmith7739]

In my Opinion, 35 Whelen, a wildcat cartridge in 1923 by James Howe and Col. Townsend Whelen and standardized in 1988, I think it is the best all around cartridge in North America. Its based on the 30-06.

[@craigleibbrand7761]

It's been said the 35 Whelen is North America's dangerous game rifle.

[@craigleibbrand7761]

I have a 358 Norma Mag. It's built with a number 3 contour barrel, making it light. It would be awesome to load down to 35 Whelen. balistics a 250gr. Bullet at 2400 FPS. Much, lighter recoil.

[@jefpanisi3764]

Pre-64 model 70, Pac- nor 25in barrel. 30-06 Ackley Imp. 190gr ABLR 61gr Superformance WLR primers

[@jefpanisi3764]

2970 fps, half inch all day!

[@gregewing3916]

We have talked about how fast twist twist barrels, modern powders, and longer heavier bullets have nearly reinvented a thirty-ought-six. I think it would be interesting if the same were to happen with the.250 Savage. Ideally in the Ackley improved so Boulder ammunition could still be used. By using the actually improved chambering on can't even increase the average pressure a bit without endangering old guns. Unfortunately the last time I looked there were not very many high ballistic coefficient bullets for it to the slow-twist rifling that is traditional.

[@jfess1911]

The regular pressure for the 35 Whelen is already 62,000psi using the transducer method. The 52,000 psi referred to by the writer is using an older "CUP" test method with copper crushers. The pressures are actually the same, it is the test method that produces a different number.

[@RIK-uh8ru]

The most killing gun I ever owned was the 338 win mag. It was either there or you missed it. Great gun. I'm building a 338-06 AI. That's how much I like that 338 bullet. Just want a little less recoil. Still a great caliber.

[@lelenbates3367]

It is a shame that discussions are limited by liability concerns. It used to be you could just tell someone not to be an idiot and cover your bases, that is not the world we live in so I understand. Thanks for your podcast and videos Ron, you remind me of great guy named Bill that got me into precision reloading in my early 20's; I am now in my 50's and still at it. He was the best friend and hunting buddy of my good friends uncle and he loved hunting, shooting, reloading, debating all the aforementioned and especially telling stories while drinking everyone else's beer around a always present fire. He would even complain if the absconded beer wasn't to his liking. He went on and on how the .257 Roberts was the best cartridge for hunting every made if they had the right bullet and powder from the factory. He always hunted with a .270 or 7mm Rem Mag and would dismiss the subject when asked why he didn't hunt with his beloved .257 Roberts and give a different reason every time. He would buy the cheapest .22LR by the 5,000 count case once or twice a year and refused to share and then take a 50 or 100 count box of your .22LR for comparison. He loved the .22 CCI Mini-mags I shot but refused to buy his own because they were too expensive. He asked my why I never shot his .22 LR ammo one day, and I told him that he said not to, and he told me that I just don't understand the game, and after that I started shooting some of his ammo so he could complain about it. He said everything with a twinkle in his eye and half of everything he said was always true 28% of the time. He taught me the importance of giving young people a hard time now and again. The world needs characters and Bill was definitely one of the best.

[@ronspomer4366]

I've known the type and try to emulate from time to time with my grandkids. Betsy and the girls complain, but they don't understand grandpas job is to toughen the kids up and teach them to recognize kidding, joking, sarcasm, tricks, etc.

[@jeffmertens9790]

Outstanding rendition of life as we all used to know it! Even though there were "Bills" around every corner they still remained unique and special! Who would have ever "thunk it" that the phenomenon would ever be talked about in the past tense. Thanks for the flashback!!!

[@tkalus5736]

Those friends and family members who were born of this mold are true blessings! I have been blessed to have known a couple of them throughout the years. Great memories!

[@michaelcalabro2376]

The .44gp is a straight wall case for states with a maximum case length of 1.8 inches, so yes .30-06 cut down to 1.8 inches with a .429 projectile so you don't have to ream out the neck to .45.

[@cfranklin7450]

What bullet, coal, barrel length are you using and what are you getting for velocity?

[@michaelcalabro2376]

No idea, I don't live in a straight wall state.

[@gsnicholas8522]

It can also be made by shortening a 444 marlin case or straightening and shortening a 356 win case.

[@shanerhodes925]

I personally like the 280 ai. I would kind of like to try the 3006 so. I love the standard 06 But the Ackley is interesting.

[@cliffclark9249]

I've done both the AI 30-06 will push bullet conceivably faster depending on choice off powder.i have four 280ai

[@fkrr5]

What a nice looking English Setter, very sweet dogs.

[@Gunners_Mate_Guns]

My favorite breed of all. They can be highly intelligent, very good with humans and kids, and (of course) excellent for bird hunting, not to mention some of the handsomest dogs of all.

[@jasonbroom7147]

When it comes to any wildcat, or most of the Ackley Improved cartridges, you can absolutely see an increase in performance using some of the modern powders, such as Superformance. If you have a strain gauge, know how to use it AND know how to make use of the data it provides, then the pressures you run from your particular barrel, chambered in 30-'06 AI, can be whatever you deem safe. An authority like Ron can't tell you to ever go any higher than SAAMI spec, because if someone did that and a barrel blew up in their face, he could be held liable. As someone who has studied ballistics and worked with half a dozen different wildcat and AI rounds, I can tell you there is more to it, but then there is a huge learning curve associated with that process. This is one of those situations where you KNOW what you're doing, or you don't do it at all! The only safe answer is to stick with published loads from reputable sources.

[@Michael-rg7mx]

Dad made a 240 Gibbs I found some 75 grain that would spin apart sometimes. 100 gr noslers were flat deer killers. It was a 30-06 with a blown out shoulder. Just like the A I.

[@anthonykaiser974]

Sierra's current book has .30-06 AI. I think they probably have the largest range of AI cartridges. They use .250 AI to test their .257 stuff.

[@zebacake4683]

I believe nosler has a bunch too. I know they have 30-06ai

[@kbmferreira1]

For a gun and dog lover like myself, this is the best video on youtube. :)

[@michaelhennegan9637]

Regarding the MPB sight in, Ron, very surprised you have not given Bob Hagel his deserved kudos for this, another Idaho boy.

[@USAACbrat]

300 BO is a good first centerfire

[@JamesSmullins]

I love hunting with my ar. For me it's the same gun I train with for other things so I'm extremely comfortable and confident with it. I come from a bow hunting background first so making sure the first shot is right had long been ingrained in me. I've passed on shots both with rifle and bow that I wasn't confident I could make with one shot. It's all in our heads and we use and do what we let our heads think.

[@chasl2216]

Hello Son, when I bought a elk rifle I checked out the 30 -- 06 A I but went with the 300 W S M because I did not need to shoot a every cartridge to have the efficiency of the 30-- 06 A I.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Ron being left eye dominant I had adjust my position in Marine Corps Boot camp as my Primary Marksmanship Instructor (PMI) said oh your one of those. I have been working with a AR platform in 6.5 Grendel. It's accurate and with no felt recoil. I also enjoy my Remington 760 pump action but unfortunately the prices have sky rocketed. But you can find them now and then.

[@donnieb.6356]

Hey Ron, how do you feel about the .592-06x61TPv3.287R867-5309? It was invented in 1582 in Buttholioslav by a guy named Bevislavski Cornholiowitzaslavski. I'm sure you have heard of it.

[@reloadrefine]

Hey Ron😎✌🏻 If you did a short with a picture while you explain the maximum point blank I think it would clarify for people that seem to be confused or not grasping the concept. Just a thought. 😁🤓🙏🏻

[@archangel20031]

My 45 Raptor with a 300 grain projectile is goot out to 300 yards with a 6 inch restriction.

[@DonEmbrey]

I Do a little bit of guiding on a huge, South Texas ranch. Anyone that shows up with a 3006 is very welcome here, excuse the spellcheck, I will tell you the 6.5 has proven a complete failure etc. anything 6.5 these new things they don’t work on animals, they’re great for targets, but they are no longer permitted for hunting on the ranch. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a target rifle, if you want to hunt with it, Put it away and go buy a 3030.

[@edwardhoward4708]

Interesting take. How about the .270 Winchester? Too small for medium South Texas game? .308? 7mm-08? .243?

[@gsnicholas8522]

You do realize that the 6.5 caliber has been around and reliably taking game for well over a century? This includes large game such as moose. I can guarantee you that I would cleanly take anything on this ranch with my 6.5x55 swede. I’d go to guess that the real issue is that they believe all the hype and lies about the needmore so they try things that they shouldn’t, can’t shoot worth a darn, or aren’t using an adequate bullet. These are the most common issues I’ve seen with the needmore fanboys.

[@peterhert9350]

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[@peterhert9350]

That's it👍

[@peterhert9350]

Excellent

[@deanbowe4070]

Ron, You talked about reading pressure signs on a 30/06 AI. When looking for pressure signs, have you used a technique that compares the case head expansion of factory ammo compared to the case head expansion of reloads? I read about this technique in a reloading book by John Withers.

[@davidneal6920]

I have gone through a number of calibres and rifles. At the moment I have one I really like which is a semi custom 3006A1 - it is powerful and a real tack driver. But my bottom line is it’s the rifle you shoot the best which is more important than the calibre. So I tend not to get too hung up with the calibre - so long as it can do around 300 yards or so. Although I do prefer the more powerful than less powerful. Oddly enough the other calibre I tend to use is an 8x57 which is not that flat shooting - just I have a real nice M98 carbine that’s goes with it that is super handy to use and easy to shoot straight. Cheers Dave 🇺🇸 🇳🇿

[@MrJonathandcrow]

Ron AR 15 System Changes Caliber Barrel Length Magazine any round count.

[@larrygabbard4896]

Covey is a great listener 😊

[@USAACbrat]

Usta sight my 30-06 3" high at 100 yds. Good to 300 + yds.

[@kaisercreb]

Dan could get something like a 6mm arc or 6.5 grendel upper for his AR. He could also get a drop in .22LR conversion or a .22 upper is an option as well.

[@diggernash1]

The 6.5 Grendel or 6 ARC in a Howa mini carbon stalker is great rifle to start kids on.

[@linkbond08]

I can't decide between those 2, I have a run of the mill AR in 5.56 and I'm trying to get something to hunt something bigger. Both the Grendel and the ARC are excellent upgrades to the 5.56 but which one is a better balance between performance, load variety, availability, and affordability.

[@diggernash1]

@@linkbond08 I got into Grendel before the ARC came to market; so I won't be changing over. If I was in your shoes today, the decision would be much more difficult.

[@relleknoj]

Thank you.

[@markdavidson8424]

The 30:06 has actually been upgraded quite a bit as the 308 has been also. The o6 with a slight edge over the 308 simply from more capacity with powder. Today's bullets and newer powders have taken both cartridges to greater efficiency than in the early days. Hornady has a 150 grain bullet doing 3000 FPS out of a 308. That is quite a jump in velocity. I was getting that out of my 06 in the 70s but with a 130 gr. Bullet.I think both cartridges are plenty enough gun in the Northwest including Alaska. Most AlaskanS own a 30:06 because they ammo is easy to find and todays bullets allow 200 to 250 gr. For bears. Most are shot up close and the old 06 will do the job. Rifles can be found under 400 dollars.

[@allenlarabie8854]

💯 % agree 👍

[@untermench3502]

I think the all copper bullets allow the deeper seating required due to overall length requirements. The additional case capacity of the 30-06 comes-in handy for this.

[@HondoTrailside]

Are there any bears in the Kenai? 338 is a great choice for Bear Defense, along with the moose hunt. Heavier guns tend to lead to more wounding on griz, even if the bullets that could reach their target from stuff like the 375, are going to hit harder. 338 seems to be the client sweet spot. If you are planing on hunting and not sniping, the 9.3x62 is a great choice, ammo is available, but probably good to have reloading as a backup.

[@brinkee7674]

.44 GP, a quick overview 1.8" straight wall. Made from any approx. .470" base diameter case. Rimless or rimmed. Think of .44 GP as a stretch version of .44 Auto Mag or a shortened .444 Marlin case to meet 1.8" case hunting regulations. .44 Auto Mag is based on a .30/06 or .308 Win. lopped back to 1.3", .44 GP is 1/2" longer, much more potent, and does NOT require case reaming!

[@jonrolfson1686]

Appreciate your cautious approach on the question of increasing pressure for, specifically, newly rebarreled .35 Whelen on either a Remington 700 or Remington 7600 action. Have considered this question myself over the years with both those guns in mind, both guns having been purchased new in 2001. The catalyst for the consideration was noting that the recommended max loads for the similar .338-’06 were allowed to operate at greater pressures to drive similar weight bullets (200 grain, 225 grain, 250 grain) from the smaller bore as fast as, if not faster than, the lower max pressure .35 Whelen loads. The somewhat more conservative approach to max pressure standardization in the .35 Whelen probably reflects the greater popularity of the .35 Whelen as a wildcat from 1920s, and the variable vintage of wildcat donor actions. This is more of a question to occupy mental free time: at my age the purpose of the .35 Whelen is to produce larger, more easily resolved holes in the paper targets. There is no need to change the .35 Whelen’s steady push against the shoulder into something harder. If a bruised shoulder is wanted, then the very curved ‘rifle’ style steel butt plate of a Winchester 1886 in .45-70 will produce that bruise sharpish.

[@brucehudson3241]

I like the recommendations for the new hunters. I think any short action 7mm or under would be a great place to start. 243 Win, 260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 7mm-08 would be great. 243 and 6.5 would have more ammunition choices, but the others can be found reasonably well, and they would work well for coyotes or even woodchucks going down.

[@Wayne-hs6gm]

Point blank range is just how far within your bullets trajectory does your bullet stay within 3in (high or low) above your zeroed distance. So say I’m zeroed at 200yrds, my bullet will still be within 3 inch of my aimpoint at 300yrds. So I can still aim as if my bullet won’t drop, bc it’s still hitting the vitals. It just saves time when hunting so you don’t overthink your shot.

[@grahambamford9073]

Hi Ron, great video as always, just wondering with regards to lead free ammunition coming in down the line, will it be the death bell for smaller lighter calibre bullets such as .223,.243 etc with regards to barrel twist rates and the ability to stabilise these small light bullets that in lead free, are going to get lighter. Just wondering if some older rifles might be hard to get heavy enough bullets to shoot good groups going forward. What's your take. Thanks.

[@nospam3409]

For a new hunter who already has an AR, especially if you're going to hunt with one or more of your kids, get a rimfire conversation for your existing AR for fun plinking at the range. A new bolt action Savage 22 rimfire or a used Marlin bolt action is a great (and very accurate) option. For a hunting cartridge, I'd start with a bolt action or single shot chambered in something that you can also get in an AR. Most of these options have a lot less recoil than more popular choices like the 6.5 creedmoor. These cartridges include 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 300 Blackout, and 350 Legend. All of these will take medium size game to at least 200 yds with very little recoil. The blackout and Legend are not super accurate (accurate enough for 200 yds), but the Grendel and SPC are literally tack drivers. I'm not aware of any factory bolt action rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC, but CZ and Howa both offer a bolt action 6.5 Grendel. 7.62x39 is another option and it gives you the option of some cheap FMJ ammo for plinking around.

[@nospam3409]

If you get into reloading, the 223 Remington is an EXTREMELY versatile cartridge. It may not be legal for deer in your area, but it's inexpensive to load for, very accurate, and can be loaded to give velocities from under 2000 fps to over 3500 fps.

[@johnellis4129]

I believe the 44GP would be a 44-06 in a 1.8" case or OAL making it nearly a straight wall case. Years ago there was a 44-06 wildcat based on 30-06 brass.

[@USAACbrat]

get a 22 conversion for the AR

[@mattevans-koch9353]

Thank you Ron for another informative pod cast/video.

[@leonardjanda6181]

Excellent looking 👀 Dog ❤

[@davidvincent5701]

Something they should ask is what kind of rifling do he and others prefer, standard cut edge or formed (octagon) polygon sided style.

[@Ghostwriter2345]

6.5 costs about the same as .308 in my part of the country. .243 is a few dollars more but with less selection than the other 2 cartridges

[@kevinroberts781]

243 is easy to load and cheap to load if you want to defeat all body armor

[@scruffyarms]

I like your explanation between the 300 win Mag and 338 win Mag. I have a 338 and it is amazing. Ammo is just now coming back to the shelves and I have found it around 62-70 a box. Finally back to normal!

[@henrymorgan6087]

Great discussion Ron…pt blank zeroing is the way to go for sure.

[@creightonsmith5333]

Ron, really informative video, keep up the great work. We all know ammunition manufacturers tend to hype up the velocities of their cartridges. In light of the fact that less than 10% of hunters reload, I believe it would be of interest for you to run a series tests where you shoot factory loads in commonly available rifles with standard length barrels. Thanks CW

[@donaldrussell4218]

A 25-06 is a verry good gun.

[@canuckmagnum5841]

chasing every last last bit of FPS and potentially putting yourself in danger....just get a .300 Win Mag and be done with it.

[@donavonrobbins1908]

For the guy shooting with his daughter. If you can find a CZ .22 Scout bolt action rifle, try it out. I was looking for a compact .22 and found I could not use most of the children model .22s out there due to not being able to get my cheek low enough to gwt onto the iron aoghts. I found a CZ Scout on clearance and tried tue fit. Being Eiropean, it had the low sliping comb to the atock and I was right in thw aights thw first time and Im 6-1. Its a 452 receiver with a 16" barrel. It comes with a plastic 3 round magazine, but you can swap better 452ahazines. i grapped a couple 10rd myself. I added a new Redfield acope and love this little thing. Vwey accurate, fun and durable.

[@oncall21]

Great video Ron as always. Thanks for sharing!

[@jmartin9059]

*44 GP .430"06 x 1.8" 'short' must be a restrictive state compliance cartridge for the 1.8" long straight wall rules. 45-70 short 1.8" would be a very similar cartridge as would 444-06. So, 'similar' stuff has been done. Simple handload solution to the rules problem : 45-70 MICHIGAN SPECIAL with 1.8" short 'over-trimmed-brass' and 'long heavy bullets' or long copper bullets, loaded to same cartridge overall length and power factor as the typical standard {full power} 45-70 >> would become a 'Michigan 1.8 inch rules compliant' load. Looks weird, fits the chamber, fits the rules >>> and, actually works.*

[@PlunderAndPillage]

On your statement of the .270 Win vs. 30-06 pressure SAAMI specs: My understanding has always been that the larger the diameter bullet (in the same case, i.e 30-06 vs. 35 Whelen) , the less pressure is needed to move the bullet down the barrel, but the upper limit of pressure stays the same. Can you explain why this is different with the .270 and 30-06? I recognize that my understanding may be incorrect, but I would like to hear it explained.

[@russellkeeling4387]

My 30-06 does everything I ask of it. It does not need to be improved I do. It shoots far better than I do especially the older I get.

[@brianschumaker5912]

I have to disagree a bit with the AR15 not being a good hunting platform. It depends what you're hunting.Wild hog and coyote hunters completely disagree with you.

[@davewinter2688]

Ron, You are getting terminology mixed up again and when it comes to cartridge pressures, barrels, re-barreling, re-chambering, reloading etc misunderstanding of a term can be extremely dangerous. Shooters, hunters, reloaders all must understand that the Copper Crusher system for pressure testing and the resulting numbers are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE with P.S.I. there is no really accurate formula for converting the old Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) to Pounds Per Square Inch (PSI). Example #1 The SAAMI standard MAP for 30-06 Springfield with a 220 grain bullet using the old copper crusher method was 50,000 C.U.P. When updated using the modern piezo electric transducer system the MAP is 60,000 P.S.I. The Piezo Transducer system is much more accurate because it can detect pressure spikes that the copper crusher cannot. Example #2: When SAAMI tested the 35 Whalen with a 250 grain bullet using the copper crusher the number they came up with was 52,000 C.U.P. When they retested using the piezo transducer they found that the Whalen was developing 62000 PSI or more so the MAP was set at 62,000 PSI. The 270 Winchester runs at 52000 CUP and 65000 PSI. You mentioned the 257 Roberts +P. That little cartridge runs 50,000 CUP and 58,000 PSI. SAAMI has never tested the 9.3x62 Mauser with the copper crusher but the piezo pressure test showed 57,500 PSI. The entire up to date SAAMI specifications are easily downloaded. You just have to pay attention to whether you are reading the section from the copper crusher tests or the piezo transducer tests. Happy hunting boys and girls.

[@jmartin9059]

*35 WHELEN extra speed... might be hiding within extra barrel length. Example : 27" {Twenty-Seven-Inch} barrel and a slow burning powder might get those extra 'feet per second' you are looking for without increasing the pressures.*

[@eugenegress5896]

JACK OCONNER FUN FACT: He Claimed, that a 170 grain, flat nose bullet; Like used in a 3030 Win, Would Drop deer , Like the Earth fell out from under Them. NOW RON, and you Reloaders out their do a Test for us; Ballistics Gel, or actual kill Shot, and Lets see what happens.

[@stevecochran9078]

While recently researching load data for a future rifle build, I ran across .30-06 AI data in my Nosler manual. The numbers tell me that it's very close to the .300 H&H which I've long believed is probably the most ballistically perfect .30 caliber inspite of that infernal belt. I'm now seriously considering AI-ing my Tikka T-3 Lite.

[@johnnyv.223]

Excellent advice! But I think I should envision a larger pipe(due to possible deviations in point-of-aim/point-of-impact), and a shorter maximum range, since I'm just not as good a shot as I once was in the 70s and 80s. Just my personal limitations. Thank you for so many helpful videos.

[@brinkee7674]

Moose are weird, like many animals are. I've seen one soak up 6 .300 wsm 190 grn Accubond and go(walking dead) 3/4 of a mile through nasty stuff I've seen a larger one drop with one shot from a .284 145 grn power-point, I took another when down to make sure it was finished

[@wileywalker5845]

Wildcatting is FuN. I think the 44GP is for those states require a max length of 1.8" to hunt deer in "shotgun only" states. I have a 35-30/30 in a contender just to have a "primative weapon" in my state. Low recoil and eassy to shoot.

[@emiliohernandez2790]

Its interesting you say you hit an animal...No response i shot a deer at 25 yrds with a 300wsm....it didn't even react...From then on been shooting...Smaller deer caliber with same results or better...meaning 30-30 .243 ...If its not going to bite back or chase me down...And tell me you suck with what you shot me with...Bigger is not always better...Being a good rifleman or hit what your aiming at is better any day...

[@edwardhoward4708]

There are some brilliant nuggets of gold in this spiel! One key point; If a tight barrel can cause pressure spikes then it must be that a worn barrel can sustain greater powder loads or higher pressure. Makes me think I want to AI and reload a simple .308. Could get .300-06 velocities until the barrel is completely shot, and also fire cheap and available .308 factory loads. I do wonder what would happen if steel case .308 were fired in an AI chamber.

[@fedup3582]

"230 to 270 yds before you hit the top of the pipe with cartridges like the 243, 270, 30-06...?" Are you sure you don't mean 130 to 170 for when you hit the top of the pipe?

[@ChristopherEDenton]

Choose between a 6mm Creedmoor 1/7.7 twist; or .243 Winchester 1/9.25 Twist

[@kevinroberts781]

I have been working on a very special projectile. Could call it a wild cat but its an old bullet with modifications. It does one thing. It uses the air to maintain point blank range out to much greater distance. I can't talk about how we accomplished it. We are still working on it but it's jaw dropping.

[@anonymousf454]

Were would a person be able to find out more about this, and will the results be presented?

[@stephencooper5040]

As far as hunting with an AR, if he’s already VERY familiar with the platform, and that’s the only rifle he has experience with shooting… then I don’t see any downsides to using one for hunting.

[@frankgulla8782]

Ron love your stuff but you're kind of wrong about rifle pressures. The case plays a huge role in how much pressure a rifle barrel can take. Just think .277 fury, the reason it can be loaded to 70 thousand psi is its steel case. Thanks for your time.

[@jackdundon2261]

Ron, you're one of the most educated and knowledgeable men in the shooting industry. I'm really surprised that you talk about the 243 like that when you know the 6 mm Remington is a blistically superior around and then the ackly improved under that you have a much better round or are you trying to be what's popular because popularity sells?

[@JamesM-l5g]

That axis is going to kick too much. You won’t like it Disappearing choice Begara Wilderness would have been very cool

[@lyndonhamby7432]

The Ackley rounds are impressive 👍

[@kevinbreese5739]

Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out how you have such giant veins in your relatively small forearms. What are you feeding those babies??

[@kevinC_]

That Dog has some awesome Eyes.

[@aaronhysong405]

ur right ron at range 300 does out shoot 338 or almost the same at 300 400 yards im 30 cal guy burgers always work for me favorite 30-06 for life not ai or ai its the one i trust i dont trust the creedmoores at all i have tested it many times in many rifles ammo ect... i hunted with a ar manytimes deer and hogs and coyotes i use a 10 round mag hunting hogs and wolfs i step up to a 20 at least 30 sometimes with hogs for fun wolfs to lol i would us a 20 on big cats just in case they start bounceing around scarey when it happens their fast

[@erickelly5395]

it's annoying that the headline is a short segment.

[@northerntier87]

I like the 30.06 but I prefer the 280 A.I. though ammo availability and cost is not that great.

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

I love the smooth feeding of the 30-06 something highly forgotten imo...

[@fedup3582]

And then you said " clipping the top of the pipe at 250 and then dropping and hitting the bottom of the pipe at 280....."

[@philipccr69nolan66]

Have killed 3or 4 deer with 243., Gaston track all 3. Worst cartridge I ever used.

[@user-fl4wn9dn2c]

EXCELLENT VIDEO.. I went 243 over 6.5 CM. Many dont realize the 243 and 6.5 CM use same 308 parent case just necked differently

[@gsnicholas8522]

People don’t realize that because it’s not true. The 243 is derived by necking down a 308 case, and the needmore is derived by necking down a 30 TC case. They do share the same 473 case head size, but have different parent cartridges.

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

​@@gsnicholas8522Yep. .308 necked down to 6.5mm. is .260 Remington.

[@fedup3582]

​@@georgesakellaropoulos8162And 260 Remington shortened a little, blown out slightly and the shoulder angle changed a little is a 6.5 creedmoor.

[@jheasley1]

Very much looking forward to this! Big fan of 7.08 AI, 280AI and 243 AI. Always wondered what the .308 and the 30-06 would do as a AI cartridge🤔

[@hugosalceda1973]

308 win has not a significant change.. Now" the 06 AI..it will run almost toe toe with the 300 WM.

[@jheasley1]

You’re saying “30-06 AI Will run toe to toe with the 300 Winchester magnum“. If that’s the case, I’m surprised we don’t hear more things about the 30-06 AI🤔

[@hugosalceda1973]

@jheasley1 it is not fairly known to the shooting world.. But yes"..up to a 200grn 30cal bullet the 30-06 AI will run toe to toe with the 300 WINCHESTER magnum Not Many people are willing to jump in to wildcats...

[@hugosalceda1973]

@cliffclark9249 I have built two of them with different barrel twist. 1n12twist and the other in 1n10twist. Both using Howa 1500 long actions.. I can say with all certainty that with my loads I can easily meet 300 WMag speeds.....

[@JAKDRZR]

280ai is my jam!! Absolute unit!! Lol

[@ChristopherEDenton-ol7pv]

30-06 A-I SOUNDS VERY SIMILAR TO A .300 H&H VERY SWEET

[@milo555100]

Mr Spomer. My wife is joining me for this video. We are both enjoying watching Covey seeking your affection. He loves ya. What breed is covey. I guessed (and may be way off)…Brittany Spaniel/English Setter mix. I may be way way off. You have his adoring gaze😂.

[@ronspomer4366]

Thanks Milo. Covey is a female English Setter from Beirl Setters in Wisconsin.

[@JamesM-l5g]

You don’t have a 30-06 for the same reason you don’t have a lever gun

[@colinvoss8484]

I shot a elk with a 30/30 and 130 grain bullet at 70 yards and killed all it and it did not go far it still did the job.

[@jfess1911]

Ron is wrong about what limits max pressure of a rifle. The factor that limits cartridge pressure is often the bolt, or the receiver (in the case of rear-locking lever- and bolt-action guns). This is especially important for autoloaders like the AR15. Bolt breakage is a common failure mode for these rifles, although it typically takes several thousand rounds for it to occur. That is why bolts are periodically replaced by military agencies. The max chamber pressure for AR15 cartridges like the 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, 6mm ARC, etc are all based on the backthrust to protect the bolt.. Bolt and extractor breakage is still common for the Grendel and ARC when handloaders run the pressure well above the 52,000 psi limit (transducer method). Max potential backthrust can be calculated by multiplying the max chamber pressure by the widest part of the cartridge case body. In many lever-action rifles and a few older bolt-action designs (Lee Enfield, for example) the bolt is locked farther back in the receiver. This is what limits the max chamber pressure and related backthrust for these rifles. When Winchester made the "Big Bore" version of the Model 94 that could use higher pressure cartridges, they increased the thickness of the receiver. On these rear-locking designs, overpressure rounds will eventually stretch the receiver, increasing the headspace. For the Lee Enfield 303 rifles, when the receiver stretched slightly, a longer bolt would be used to bring it back into headspace spec. Several length bolts were commonly available. Even though the backthrust seen by the bolt is USUALLY much lower, there are times, like when the case is wet or the chamber has some oil in it when the chamber walls are essentially lubricated and more backthrust is sent to the bolt. The old British test method called for the cases to be oiled for a worst case scenario. Autoloaders also tend to have looser chambers for more reliable feeding and transfer more backthrust to the bolt. Many autoloaders also leave a larger portion of the base of the cartridge outside of the barrel's chamber, so that "unsupported" portion of the cartridge can stretch and transfer more thrust to the bolt.

[@jaybailleaux630]

On strong modern bolt actions, the brass case is the limiting factor. Of course, one can blow up any rifle if you fill the rifle case with fast burning pistol powder. Blown primers and case heads will give way with an overcharge of rifle powders . I've done it with the 6mm Remington AI. Thank God for Remingtons' strong action. It did not damage the rifle. Bolt lift was hard because brass was fused to the bolt face. It cleaned up with a wire brush. Head space remained the same.

[@jfess1911]

@@jaybailleaux630 Of course, accidents happen, but even just loading above book loads and looking for "pressure signs" can produce some seriously overpressure loads. The problem with using case "pressure signs" is that brass strength varies widely. The Hornady guys stated that they have pressure tested loads 10,000 psi over SAAMI spec with no pressure signs. As an example, recently, Ultimate Reloader took a 308 to over 100,000 psi with only minor pressure signs (some primer catering and mild ejector swipe, but minimal head expansion and normal bolt lift). They had no pressure signs at 82,000psi. They were using a strong BAT action and expensive Alpha Munitions brass, so they had a well above-average setup, of course. FWIW, the difference between a 60,000 psi load and an 80,000+ psi load was less than 4 grains of Varget. That's less that I would have guessed.

[@talisikid1618]

257 Roberts to start.

[@approachingtarget.4503]

RON, I believe the question about barrel makeup from old guns to new. Was asking if new metals are superior to earlier additions. The metallurgy has created a false impression in modern fire arms. The battle rifle platforms used thinner wall constructed barrels. Yet newer barrels on bolt rifles are subject to heat and warping. With my military background, I learned that platforms with thin barrels and full length encased stocks can easily take abuse. While newer platforms need harmonics to keep accuracy together. Some demand free floating barrels. In my experience and opinion. The newer barrels are much softer and are subject to the heat and abuse. 5 consecutive rounds and the barrels are flexing. Older rifles can be continuously shot without changing the accuracy. My trusted M1 was dropped,hammered, submerged in gunk, dragged, and shot thousands of times. All that and held a zero. My newest ruger loses zero after 5 shots. There is definitely something missing from today's hammer forged barrels. The drilled out billet barrels are hefty.

[@security_prof]

Did Ron misspeak about the fps of the 6.5 Creedmoor

[@bjarnihj]

Has anyone considered the curvature of the Earth? It's 360 deg/40,008 km = 0.009 deg/km or 8 cm/km? (If You aim N (0deg) or S (180 deg)). I.e. aim low!