Time x Technology. Lost in ancient Bolivia and Peru

[@petrismaximus]

The H Blocks in my opinion were cast. Enjoyed the Video 😁

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

You could be right. I'm not inclined to it, in the H-blocks, it feels to me the micron tolerance is harder to achieve with casting. But I have zero credibility on that. However, I think the comparison with Cuzco remains. Tiwanakau had more time to cast/carve/gently convince the stones with therapy/... than the Inca did. Another thing. I found this guy in twitter with the "natron theory" great stuff, and the other day he said: "it was a civilization killer". Loved the concept that the resources to melt stone were so expensive that the civilization just entered a crisis afterwards. It could be fast, but was expensive, probably more expensive even than just carrying stones around. I see a video in there.

[@ArnoWalter]

With more time you can do more, but you can't become more precise. You can't measure microns just by taking more time.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

true!

[@ThomiX0.0]

Exactly thàt is where we get lost. Academics should be free to make questions, in order to find answers, instead of closing these doors, and stop the search. Their hierarchic structure prevents them to follow their own scientific approach. As we've seen in Kobeckli Tepe, they've stopt the dig.

[@ratatoskr1069]

To understand the paradox of time vs technology there is actually an example from pretty recent history. The first German Autobahn (highways) were built between 1933 and 1939. Comparing the speed of construction of modern Autobahn in Germany with that of the first of their kind, there is a popular saying nowadays: it is said, that if H*ler built his roads at the pace of modern road building, he would have taken not 6 years but 600 years. Or, if we had to build the number of km of highways that H*ler built in 6 years with our modern methods and pacing, we would take 600 years for that. Note that H*lers workers only used shovels and lorrys-trains for all that work. And here is a very important clue. H*lers society was extremely well organized and also very motivated. It does not matter how we judge history today. For the scientific analisis it must be stated that organization and motivation play a gigantic role in the completion of large works... technology IS actually secondary. The Autobahn-Comparison therefore is a strong argument for "time"-side of things, when it comes to ancient megalithic and cyclopean works. I have to stress again, watching your video: Nobody has an idea how extremely inefficient and incompetent the average human of today is. Nobody. People today can not even remotely imagine what diligent work and efficient organization is capable of, not even taking into account actual nutrition. Our society is so extremely wasteful and sloppy in so unbelieveably many ways. I really like the argument of unknown technology. Really! But I also like the argument of unknown levels of human skill, motivation and organization! The weakest argument is the "slave-labour" argument we learned in school.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

you make so many great points. could be here all day checking them out, will do my best to advance the ideas. Totally agree with the "slave fallacy". It's ridiculous to claim that any type of massive skilled labor could have been done by slaves. The results of such efforts are always embarrassing. It's impossible to effectively coordinate massive amounts of unwilling people. (continues)

[@nigelliam153]

When considering the megalithic structures in south America and whether there is lost technology. It shouldn’t be forgotten about the Nazca lines where the images can only be fully appreciated from altitude ie flying. No shoot out this time😊

[@ThomiX0.0]

Have you heard their academic answer? Those ancient people did gather in between the structures, to venerate their gods. As like always the ignorant "those stupid ancients" approach.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

Let's wait for the eurocup to end to see if the jokes are worth it. Now, for the Nazca lines, they are just too bizarre. I can't make any sense of them. It would become either a video like some AI generated ones "what she did next shocked everyone". Or just another random mix of sites with a guy narrating saying they find it very compelling, but I don't know what he means. I wish I had something clever to say about Nazca, but I don't, until then, will be saving me from the embarrassment.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

Those stupid ancients had time, and with time they could do anything, even pyramids in 20 years. Well, those did not had the time, but they were stupid nevertheless, so stupid they did not even have a degree nor student debt to pay.

[@GlenLake]

I would like to think that I could do anything if given enough time but the truth is that I would probably squander that time eating chicken thighs, watching You Tube videos and making mildly funny comments.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

And I say your mildly funny comments are worth plenty more time. what the heck had ancient people in mind to go around wasting perfectly good weekends polishing stones?!

[@GlenLake]

Maybe the H blocks are not related to polygonal masonry elsewhere, or perhaps it was the same culture that built both. Just as we, in this modern western culture, use many different mediums, designs and techniques to build our structures, perhaps the Ancients did too. Future archeologists comparing stadiums, skyscrapers, schools, homes and shopping malls might conclude that different cultures made them. Actually after writing that, I see what a lame argument it is that I am making. You are probably right, different cultures. I loved the Puffy Polygonal Peru alliteration.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

PPP was a fluke, hadn't think of it. I expect future archeologists to dig a starbucks and say, this was independently developed.

[@johnocafrain1004]

There are metal clamps in Pumpunku. That makes it somewhat related to the rest of the world.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

That is a hot take. Academics will say if it practical/useful) was not communicated (because they themselves don't do anything useful?). In the case of the metal clamps I see the "independent development" as viable because it does not affect the design, is quite a normal thing to do, won't make it more expensive and the effect is evident. So much so we all can just look at it and know what they were aiming at achieving. If it is obvious for us, could be obvious for them. Now, the nubs are a different case altogether. Not only we have no idea what they were for, it makes no sense the nubs wouldn't be polished away after use. Why rubbing a stone to perfection in a super expensive temple to leave a carrying nub popped out like a hemroid? It's like those people that keep the plastic wrap in the leather seats of their car. One day there will be a video about it.

[@ThomiX0.0]

@@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall these protrusions we see, have a counterpart being indentations, seen at the walls of Ollantaytambo, formed to hold a beam of some sort to lift the block somewhat in order to (re) place it. Indentations are not often seen, as they could not remove them afterwards when dressing the stones? Nubs are part of the construction method, we find these nubs also on prefab squared white marble blocks from the Greek period, and each block still has them, on the outside of the wall. I must search to find the location, and be back with it.

[@johnocafrain1004]

@@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall There is no way such peculiar technique has been invented independently all around the world.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

@@ThomiX0.0 yes, I've seen the "greek" (maybe in Syria?) nubs and some just like those in India. To be honest the "greek" nubs are the most puzzling to me. Why didn't they simply remove it? The blocks are all straight in a very smooth wall except the nubs that are pointing out. Why? The ones in Menkaure pyramid could be (doubtlful) a decoration choice, fitting with the more organic look. But in a purely straight wall does not make sense to me the nubs were kept in.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

@@johnocafrain1004 I don't know if it was independently developed or not, obviously. My thinking is like this: If the purpose of the thing is logical and straightforward, it is closer to be independently developed. If even I can see what they were doing, then it's expectable other persons could find it reasonable too. on the other hand, if whatever they were going at is obscure and confusing, then the likelihood is smaller. Putting it another way, all it took is for a person to visit the site and he would get the idea and could implement the metal clamps back home. Inspiration is possible with metal clamps. But with a computer or a H-block I can look at one for weeks, that won't be inspired to build one of those myself.

[@ThomiX0.0]

Thanks for these extra's and till later! btw : need help?

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

You are too kind. Thanks for your offer. Nothing anyone can do now, just hope the bureaucrats do not pick my papers for extra torture and allow some time to set up a new "studio". although the current set is far from perfect, I like seeing the trees in the background, next place won't be able to make as nice. Anyways, breaking news that no-one cares. I'm confident I can squeeze another video out of that set. See you around.

[@ThomiX0.0]

@@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall, wrong..we do care. And for the future set-up, the background could be made in Zoom or other programs for free, and then safe the vid. for use in YT. Research cost time, and stuff behind a paywall cost money, so it isn't a big deal to set up a Patreon or PayPal account for those who like to support it. Nothing personal, just costs. And..ahh yes..TIME..let's not forget TIME again. 🙂 Research has been done at the University of Utrecht, considering the contactpaches of the Cuzco-blocks, some more than 15 year ago. Nothing of the original content was missing, no extra substances were found either, it wasn't moulded or unnaturally structured, although questions stayed open and needed more samples, about the possibly changed position of harder grains in the sample they had, specifically at the contact surface. cheers :-)

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

@@ThomiX0.0 Could you explain again the research done at Ultrecht? I'm unsure to have understood properly and want to be sure. (as for costs, thanks, but don't worry, I can afford this hobby, being unexpensive)

[@johnocafrain1004]

Time might, and I mean just might, allow you to create the work in PumaPunku ( and I don't believe it), but it certainly doesn't mean that you would.

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

Yes! For sure, I know I could have all the time in the world and still fail embarrassingly. Still, at least they had time (in Puma Punku), the Inca did not.

[@SupremeLordEnki]

Why do you sound like you are portuguese while speaking english?

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

Because I can’t hide it. Check the flag

[@mehmetg644]

Lost civilization ... everywhere on the Earth ... everywhere ...

[@One-eyedgiantbuildingwall]

It's (not) funny that the people that most oppose the idea of a lost civilization/technology are the ones that seem to be contributing the least and receiving the most, from this current civilization we are living in now.