Wait... How Many Pros Got Banned for Cheating In January!?

[@The0bsessed]

There is not more cheater activity, they are simply more aggressive since overwatch is gone because the risk of getting banned has gone with it.

[@HandsomeMadMax]

I think it is a mix of both. The closet cheaters are more daring and new players are less afraid of getting caught and download cheats.

[@Messi-Only]

it’s an epidemic across all shooters though

[@Ffer95]

I had a nice trust factor and played sometimes for months without sus games. Now i'm +/-15k and my latest 10 games all had 1 or more cheater in it i checked the demos because i could not beleve it...

[@HandsomeMadMax]

@@Ffer95 every second demo I watched from playing premier had at least one person blatantly tracking people through walls. Its insane. Cheaters play like they think cheats are allowed now or something.

[@MaTTer1235]

This take is just inaccurate. CS2 is a new game so initially there will be more players. More players = more potential cheaters. I've been playing cs for years and the last few months of playing have been non stop encountering closet cheaters. CS2 has more cheaters and you can't convince me otherwise.

[@pro_154]

I really wish people that can't compete in video games would stop trying to play them

[@JoshHenderson16]

I don't like this take at all. People should be able to enjoy games even if they're bad at them.

[@hashpipe710]

@@JoshHenderson16 there are plenty of other games they could enjoy, instead of cheating in a game they are bad at

[@JoshHenderson16]

@@hashpipe710 Cheaters have no place in any game.

[@Stix_Zidinia]

Nope, because you zoomers made streaming so popular now every kid is going to do "Whatever it takes" to be good at the games they play, including cheating. Congrats you played yourself.

[@MakusinMeringue]

@@Stix_ZidiniaExactly. The focus on competitive shooters as a spectator sport and the constant social media comparisons is what's caused this. If games can no longer be fun to enjoy without putting thousands of hours into it, I guess I'll go do another hobby like woodcraft. People need self-worth and self-determination in my generation. Which sucks knowing our future is pretty grim regardless...

[@daboss2138]

CS could be such an awesome game but those fucking cheating bastards are ruining it for every legit player

[@dadeee7776]

No valve ruined it for every player can’t even blame cheaters when nothing is being done

[@WholeSomeHomie]

​@@dadeee7776 yes you can

[@s3ns1]

@@dadeee7776 cheate maker is never that problem you must be right.

[@dadeee7776]

@@s3ns1 you do realise valve has made it easier to cheat? Like it’s literally easier to bypass vac than it was, they’ve allowed old cheats that weren’t possible due to them blocking it to be allowed again like no spread and such, look I’m a cheater and I’m telling you they’ve made it easier to cheat…

[@itooflemma]

@@s3ns1it’s simple business - where there is a market there will be a supply. If valve put in an anti cheat and ID verification then 99.9% of cheaters will go.

[@Liuttka]

After 15 years I'm stop play CS. Valve need understand that they start lose legit players.

[@killerbas40]

They lost me when they switched to CS 2

[@JD-773]

They don't care streamers are opening so many cases that valve literally has a money printer. As long as cases are constantly getting opened in mass. They're not gonna care about anything, but the money. This game alone brings in hundreds of millions of dollars via case keys, capsules, and the community market and they still can't even provide a weekly update.

[@garryoddson3864]

​@@JD-773That also should be illegal. It's literally gambling promoted to minors.

[@Diss3mbled]

Cheaters are cringe and not even based.

[@evan12697]

i encourage all of them to take forever naps in boxes because they will just never amount to anything

[@anonanon6947]

No, whats actually cringe is everyone putting time into this game when valve doesn't put the time into a proper anti cheat.

[@evan12697]

@@anonanon6947 yeah nobody should be taking the game seriously anymore, but especially considering that cheating becomes even more pathetic

[@JazzyGazzy-nj8rn]

l2p amirite? heckin cheats stinky

[@South_0f_Heaven_]

Tell that to all the e-simps that feed their streaming ego.

[@oOignignoktOo1]

Bro's not cheating he just has good gaming spectacles.

[@dennis_benjamin]

Apparently the accusations against Pera don't come from single clear rounds of cheating but from them guessing their opponents plays right in every single round. I have yet to watch the game to check it out for myself. Just leaving it here in case you are interested to look into it.

[@Dark47Killer]

I have to say one thing, a lot of times timing is a big part of PERA clips. I remember back in the day when I watched a lot of my demons and sometimes the timing I would see from myself or my team mates it really made it look like cheats sometimes. As well as questionable crosshair placements where if you have XRAY it looks like you are wall hacking. But who knows, cheaters are become more and more aware of ways to hide it so hard to tell sometimes.

[@oM477o]

7:07 It's possible he doubled back cause his wall/radar couldn't see bomb. Idk if the game net mechanics still do this but in csgo the server didn't broadcast player positions if they were too far away and behind a wall. IIRC they added that feature around 2016. Before then it was possible to see exactly where the bomb was anywhere on the map with an esp hack. After that update wall hacks would only reveal a player moments before they peak a wall or if they were within footstep sound proximity.

[@XXLcze]

In CS2 the calculations for map visibility are horrible compared to CS:GO so big parts of map are rendering unnecessarily. I saw 1 video of most blatant cheater on Vertigo and when he was afk he was following player's heads through the whole map :D

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Yes but that update caused issues with rendering players who are peeking around solid (not wallbangable) walls long range. On Dust2 long A for example you could get shot by someone peeking you at long range before his player model was rendered on your pc, if you did not have extremely low ping. So Valve made the radius for rendering people bigger. And a lot of walls are bangable, with an AWP, and the location of anyone on the other side of all those walls always has to be known on your pc. Plus anyone in range to make sound has to be known on your pc. So, in practice this limitation only applied in very few cases and cheats could still reveal players on most of the map if you are in a central area.

[@ecarpo3479]

If you are already a good player and you start cheating, you only need to use it in very rare occassions for very slight advantages to tip close games. Its Also so time consuming to check demos and if they are clever enough the few times they use something can be written off as a fluke. This is especially the case if a whole team is cheating and they all just use it maybe a single time each. if it's a bad player cheating it's usually obvious straight away from movement, crosshair placement etc etc.

[@cybermoose602]

I played a game on Faceit against 5 stack and I'm absolutely convinced that one of them was walling, I just didn't know who. Everywhere my team went, we were met with a a dangerous force of at least 3 stack of players just casually anticipating that we'd be going there. What I think happened was, this wallhacker dude would see where the majority of our players were and he'd tell his teammate to push the opposite site. For example: Game was on Ancient so for example if my team was close to mid and outside A main elbow and only one guy went close to B ramp, their guy would push B ramp and check for info, possibly get the kill or get killed and call that there were no more of T's in that direction, so the B player insta rotates to A so it doesn't look suspicious because now they have info that nobody's B or they would do the opposite and if we were going B ramp one of their guy would push A main knowing that there are no T's there and call for info that we're probably at B, probably is an understatement because there's no probably involved in this situation, they knew for sure. Every single time what should have been 5 T's rushing A against maximum of 2 CT's, they were rotating so fast that it was full team against full team every time. I still don't know which one of them was cheating but they were doing it so smart that I'd doubt anybody would pinpoint who the culprit was even if you watch that demo 20 times. We got absolutely destroyed and we only managed to pick couple of rounds so it wasn't even 13-0, they gifted us 4 or 5 rounds so it would seem as legit as possible. Incredible how some people manage to play this game this way but I gotta give it to them, that's a smart 5 stack for sure. :))

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Or, if its a whole team cheating, you rotate who has the toggle active every game. And that player only toggles it in rare situations where they need one specific bit of info to get an advantage in an important gun round that will massively impact both teams economy and win chances, or to decide which site to gamble stack in a 3v4 for example. Fnatic did this for years at tournaments and never got banned.

[@Zachsnotboard]

bruh ppl are really putting in the effort to analyze network traffic of the RADAR to display it as a HUD in physical glasses

[@emberframe6994]

pretty cool actually.

[@ByeBaybe]

ofc we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars for winning online tournaments. people are hungry.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@ByeBaybe Theyd still do it if there was 0 money. People do the same kid of shit in tier 6 online clan matches just to stroke their pathetic ego. Its always been like that since FPS games were invented. A lot of players are also computer programmers and its a fun challenge to code a cheat. Of course, using it against other people is a terrible thing to do, but the technical aspect of it is quite interesting.

[@ezekielthegreat]

This has been going on for a while, that flicking motion you see a little after 1:11 is that player info-locking. They hold an aim key for a second or two to see what direction their mouse be attracted to. So if you flick to the right while holding that button and you feel your mouse pull you’ll know that an enemy is somewhere in that vicinity. Ex-CSGO pro Subroza was famous for this, there are many clips of him info locking. It’s not just these T2 players that are doing it, there are a lot of pro players that use cheating softwares in large tournaments to gain a slight advantage. Some people believe the vast majority of pros in the CS scene have been/are currently using cheating softwares. You can find clips of so many pros info-locking it’s hard to disagree that a lot of well known pros are cheating.

[@mikkoitasalo8940]

Naah this is a bit delusional ngl.

[@axlgr33se]

@@mikkoitasalo8940 agreed, I have a really bad habit of swinging / twitching my mouse that looks like this when I'm not entirely sure where I might get peeked from, or adjusting my hand in general. Been using aimlabs to try and correct this out of my behavior cause it gets me killed more often than just committing to a single angle.

[@HandsomeMadMax]

@@mikkoitasalo8940 not sure if you meant the last part or the first, but sadly soft locking is a thing. OP described it as if aimbot would normally be a "constant" thing where you just turn it on and it stays on or you just hit a switch to turn on and off midgame, but most cheats except for free ones these days have a function to hold a certain key to keep the cheat activated.

[@CristianoMessi-xj6he]

@@mikkoitasalo8940 If you really had time you could find video of every pro at some point in their career doing something like this, even compare it with other vods where he doesn't do any slight flicks so it's not his "style". The advantage of cheating just slightly is too much for anyone not to try, especially if u won't get caught. It's just no player will ever flick their crosshair while holding angles or preaiming, if you look closer that would just make them lose focus all the time, that's shit ton of ms in some cases Subroza was a maniac tho and it shows in Valorant where he is absolutely not consistent, like he's missing a lot of reading skills (which unfortunately is not harder than in csgo)

[@Rpgreat]

@@mikkoitasalo8940 You are a cheater

[@goblinphreak2132]

Valved banned over 60% of players then undid the ban claiming it was a false positive. The truth is more than 60% of players cheat. Its sad.

[@bsky6525]

how's it 60% my friendo

[@goblinphreak2132]

@@bsky6525 back during CS:GO when they first introduced the first AI antichi that they had, vac-net, They had stated that during their six-month run they noted that 60% of their player base was cheating. This was many many years ago. And like anything cheating only gets worse because nobody does anything about it. So it's probably more than 60% now. That was valves very own statistic given during the presentation.... So

[@HuskyAim]

@@goblinphreak2132 It's not 60% nor is it even close to that.

[@goblinphreak2132]

@@HuskyAim valve themselves back during csgo had a conference where they initially talked about vacnet, the first ai anticheat that was adopted for csgo, which would watch demos of matches and submit them to overwatch for real players to vote yay or nay for cheating.... They themselves at that time said 60% of players statistically were cheating. Based on the training data for the AI which was trained for 6 months of wingman matches. But naw, valve lies....

[@HuskyAim]

@@goblinphreak2132 Please link your sources. At first, you said they reversed the bans because it was a false positive YET you say that valve said they WERE cheating? You seem to be very confused. I don't know if you are aware but VACnet was first introduced, it was essentially an infant so any data from that time is clearly incorrect. That's the thing with machine-based learning, it needs to learn first. Also, its AI technology was pretty archaic to what we have today.

[@FreelanceDev4life]

All my friends on CS2 say that "not everyone is cheating" but IDK, I keep seeing the incredible knowledge they have and it bothers me. Also, almost no recoil at times and other times can't hit the broad side of a barn. AND other times it's like playing against silvers. I'm not good, but a 1-13 loss is just too much and is too regular these days. I'm glad you keep mentioning what I keep seeing. Supernatural knowledge.

[@bsky6525]

1-13 loss doesn't mean you're playing against a cheater

[@lekanakinwale424]

Sounds like you might just be trash at the game

[@JebacPresretac101]

I am more worried about the amount of times my team went 5:0 only to lose 9:13 or 11:13 in the end. It's quite disgusting actually how people "warm up" around the 5th round. There is a good chance 1:13 might be legit players, or maybe 1 cheater and a few good ones carrying for him.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Im not cheating. So, its technically true not everyone is cheating. However, your friends, statistically, most likely are cheating and lying to you. Its also funny some cheaters end up overcompensating for their wallhack by pretending they dont have information that they actually could get legit by listening to sound, its so annoying when they do that.

[@sebastjansslavitis3898]

just make eye tracking for competition mandatory

[@The_savvy_Lynx]

won't solve anything for the millions of amateur players. there are options to fix or at least severely reduce the cheater problem for everyone. Though I still don't understand why Valve isn't taking this cheater problem much more seriously.

[@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95]

How would eye tracking help? Or would they put a limit on how often you're allowed to look at your radar?

[@Moscope]

@@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95if someone is walling or using soft lock to track people you would see them looking at enemy position through a wall. Also with radar hack they would look at the radar without any info

[@sp33dou]

11:55 he dropeed the nade on his teammate with out any possible legit information that there was a ct pushing there. You just don't do that kind of team damage unless you are 100% sure there is some one there.

[@bjornroesbeke]

Call me oldschool, but people can take my word that i'm not cheating. Why can't pro players have such dignity?

[@LyllianaofMirrah]

Ego. They think they need to stay on top or they risk losing their gaming career. And because people improved there will be a time where a better player than them surpasses them and they would be forgotten

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Because every other pro is also cheating and you cant win shit if you dont

[@iMegaShadow]

A ton of famous pros have been getting tons of sus clips for years, only with the rising tide of cheaters people started to pay attention to it.

[@Moscope]

Yup, been saying it for years, but with half of this games community being cheaters people will always call you delusional and bad. For example S1mples famous heaven jump noscope 100% cheat, not because of the shot, but back in the day when cheats were worse they would do this weird wiggle when you shot, idc who you are if you are s1mple or Subroza, you can not do such consistent subtle movement as he does after landing the shot, you would need 0.05 sense and the hand coordination of an OSU pro to do that movement. But he just jumps down lands a noscope and does a robotic wiggle that is completely symmetrical

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@Moscope Yeah that wiggle simple did was a dead giveaway. I used to make threads with clips of pros doing stuff like that on hltv and eventually got banned for it. Admins covering up cheating. I still have some clips saved on harddrive, for example one of Niko on Train aimlocking on all 5 CTs through walls from A main entrance and then going out with all the info. I do have to say things have gotten a lot less blatant since 2016, I think Valve had a talk with the pro orgs behind the scenes and told them to tone the cheats down, but they didnt completely quit, they still screw up with the aimbot through walls sometimes, especially less experienced players in tier 2 teams who dont have their cheat configured perfectly yet, or need to be more blatant to compete.

[@leoSaunders]

8:20 to this day I don't understand why Valve has god mode radar in overwatch/viewer perspective. It should be team radar. Those red dots are info.

[@JebacPresretac101]

They don't save that information into the demo, and can't be arsed to recreate it from the same information present in the demo as the team is like 3 people and 9 monkeys. Talking from experience here.

[@leoSaunders]

@@JebacPresretac101 😱😱😱😱😭😭👍💜

[@markoredano9141]

soon enough they won't just have glasses, but augmented contact lenses.

[@HandsomeMadMax]

Reasonable takes. Good to see that you dont just jump to conclusions immediately.

[@DARQUEZERO]

Keep calling them out John.

[@RedBeardio]

That kameion(spelling?) smoke peak happened to me with someone who claimed they weren’t cheating but it was on vertigo. I slow walked from ct and there was a smoke and I went to peak and jiggled while walking and his crosshair locked on me before i came out of the smoke and the he played it off till i came out. The cheating in this game is insane. So much of it, all the time, in many games.

[@seapearl3175]

Looks absolutely legit. I wish more guys would play like this instead of just stupidly rushing stuff

[@tesco-cs]

I still believe Flusha cheated back in 2014-16 (aimtagging through walls for players postions). People still cry to this day saying pro's don't cheat SMH

[@Sc0rphionx]

"is hard to believe that 2 of them were cheating in the same team" Really bruh? Really is hard to believe?

[@forasago]

yeah what was that supposed to mean? lmao. it's actually easier to believe than that two separate teams would only have one cheater each for example. it makes way more sense for cheaters to play on the same team than not.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Is it though?

[@TheJanis1993]

i think this is happening for a long time now, i guess the pro scene especially, big money.

[@n8yy492]

I would like to point out, on canals with the accused "looking at radar claim" that when you hold Mouse1 while reloading the m4 takes more time to reload and start shooting than if you wait to Mouse1 with the animation itself. I'm sure you were aware of that, given your extensive CS knowledge though. ;)

[@tobiasmills9647]

I think the only solution would be a massive LAN party with no external hardware allowed whatsoever. Everyone has issued eyewear, and the PC each player uses (even the side of the stage they sit) is chosen at random right before the match. I get that logistically this would be improbable, but it's the only way that i can see it working.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Pro players being allowed to bring their own mouse and keyboard to events is proof in itself that everyone and their grandmother is cheating.

[@itzmatos]

I thought that CS would die with the release of CS2, this just reinforces my thought lol

[@weab]

I'm not convinced with most of these. Sketchy moments happen during normal play, and spectators really can't gauge the players' mental games or understanding with 100% certainty. The moment at 6:03 is particularly innocuous, it seems to me the player just miscalculated the firing delay after reloading.

[@rolizei8902]

so much suspicion in the community, and for good reason. just because volvo doesnt want to implement an anticheat into a competitive shooter.

[@metalhead2476]

Hey, sometimes your opponent is just having a good day.

[@TheJanis1993]

kamion's ak47 x-ray

[@JoeSchmo51]

Would love to see an analysis of M80 vs Liquid IEM Chengdu 2024 RMR on January 20th. M80s timing on bombsites was suspiciously great on non-Nuke, whereas Nuke, you can't use minimap and lost 13-2. I believe a couple of their members were not LAN?

[@kiyarzaim]

I work at mostly IEM event and I can say that they are not cheating. You know at the backstage we have 1 Ref for 1 Player watching their gameplay and also casters can dispute when they feel the game a bit weird and some bug issue. For now, I can say that any S-Tier Tournament have the Best Anti Cheat to prevent almost all cheat including scripted recoil. Also the pc will be checked always before new game start after 1 BO3

[@Stephen667]

second half of this video all seems fine to me, to say any of those clips had cheats involved you would have to scour 100s of hours of gameplay to understand what play styles these people have and if this behaviour is abnormal you would have more of a case but everyone plays somewhat different and you never know what these people are thinking, plus what they have learned from playing against their opponents, for example the clip on round 40, hes been playing against the same players for a while and maybe picked up on some stuff.

[@qBeYcarpet]

Time is but a window. Vac ban is but a door

[@TheSuperappelflap]

VAC = Valve Allows Cheating.

[@LYCAN247]

Far too many people also getting falsely banned which is also a massive concern !

[@soykike1991]

Have you ever confronted a blatant cheater in game? They will never accept any wrong doing. My guess is that the bans are not false positives, there are statistics that say that 1 one of 3 fps players are cheating, and that is in general, counter strike is the motherland of cheating

[@Spud.007]

It looks like PERA is not cheating, but more likely the communication is lacking in their team which can lead to weird situations. By not hearing the communications it looks like Aaron is also coaching his team while hes playing. However if the actual coach is making calls at the same time then crackhead energy game play ensues. Also the over rotate B site was because they had eyes on 3 enemy's b apps, 1 dead and bomb unknown. Clearly a lack of coaching at this point in the match and the communication lead to an over rotate. Porya's being last to enter into market during the rotate means he was most likely fully relying on his minimap for information and also should not have rotated knowing that no one had spotted bomb. Once he realized it would be his fault if bomb was ninja planted at A he was going back to watch A site just as the bomb planting sound was heard at B by his team in which he turns back quickly. Seems like Porya's lack of self awareness and/or not being able to play at his own pace is a struggle for him. Porya is fighting against his internally known game sense vs what his team and coach are calling for him. Maybe trust issues, or maybe hes hitting a "low" / anxious period of his medications.

[@em34ev3r]

LOSER AS PROS, they're not longer considered professionals if theyre caught cheating.

[@coolissimo69]

"hard to believe they are cheating ?" again dude 35% to 50% are cheaters, so pros will defiantly cheat.

[@turnersutherland]

You shouldn't be allowed to wear glasses at events. Unless they are checked by the league to ensure that they are just prescriptions.

[@sp33dou]

Just allow certain type of frameless glasses that can't house this tech.

[@devastor2]

The game is literally unplayable in its current state 😢

[@cornbread4everyone555]

why anyone still plays this miscarriage of a game is beyond me

[@turnersutherland]

The only reason i think this may be legit is because of their inventories. Who is going to risk getting banned with 100k+ dollar inventory?

[@sp33dou]

Currently your risk of getting banned with proper custom software and hardware is around 0%: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKjdeqRmaduXZq8si=4ty1CuSVyOzn8ACu

[@txponto]

The reason WHY is simple. It's too easy. I started CS LONG before v1.0 I've quite CS2.

[@IanPeon]

Um, this is CS:GO... From the start it looked dated, but the smoke was a give-away. In fact it looks like Overwatch cases being reviewed... When or where's this from?

[@Speedcore4L]

Next Flusha...PLS

[@goHaenchen]

I wondered. Is it normal on a pro level to jump out into open areas, without info if there is an enemy with knife in hand?

[@df71091]

When he was hiding in mid at the 1vs1 , it could have been because the cts where forcing and pushing mid, so it makes sense that he stays here to secure the guns in mid

[@shamsiddin6395]

and how did he know that enemy would come from b not a site? lol

[@Spud.007]

@@shamsiddin6395 Keeping in mind how broken cs2 audio is, the ct on b site jumps into cave at 9:46 which I'm sure someone on his team heard and called for him, the demos are probably just trash and didn't convey the actual audio correctly. Also after knowing the last one is cave you can see Aaron even faking footsteps towards "ct mid" before he hides in the corner. Clearly just a better player. This whole issue just seems to be stemming from Valorant players having zero game sense, so instead they just say "everyone is hacking" rather than realizing that game sense is a thing.

[@cloke3076]

@@shamsiddin6395maybe gambled actually or maybe just know where SENER1 usually plays. I don’t watch Guild Eagles that often so I can’t say about that for sure but still. Presumption of innocence is still a thing even with such suspicious rounds.

[@kittikajorns1811]

CS was a game of skill but now it is a game of disguise cheating. Who better hiding win.

[@sambhavraturi2768]

Just a pure example showing how far gone this human civilization is, it's not a matter of fact if there is any anti cheat or not... It's a matter of having some dignity and self respect to not go for such malpractices especially in a professional tournament. Today they are attempting bad practices just in video game but who knows they might next try in real life???

[@giertox8737]

I just love that cheating pros are more legit than random 10lvl faceit or any high ranked "player" on premier.

[@alantan79]

This looks like the typical audio-based ESP hack.. if you know you know.

[@Ibetalkinvidyagames]

I'm thinking about how many HUGE streamers wear ugly glasses like that on a daily basis. Winning tournaments, taking donations, pretending like they still have some type of passion for a hobby they are killing on behalf of generations of gamers. What a farce.

[@AXEJAYB]

Any names at all, only need one, or are you just grand standing?

[@Ibetalkinvidyagames]

@AXEJAYB nah, you got me, I was probably worked up for no reason.

[@coooolibri]

"the guy just peeks out and onetaps". you are making such important videos, but then cant state what is actually happening. he shoulder peeks first to confirm if somebody is boosted or not, and the goes back for a shot.

[@neska2k]

9:45 it could actually be that he heard him, on the radar it looks like the last CT is running/jumping in to cave that heard him. but yes otherwise they did actually use radar

[@EvrytForReal]

thx youtube recommendation I'm so early

[@browningcm]

Probably gaming chair diff

[@stephenyoung1484]

I am sure if you enter a competition with a cash prize that it is a criminal offence to cheat. Start charging them.

[@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca]

There should be some measure of event frequency for suspecting pro players and pro teams. Using highly trusted organisations and players as control group would help. Coupling this with statistical analysis of player’s effectiveness would help to substantiate suspicions of cheating. Especially helpful would be to look how players play-style has changed during their career. For cheating to be beneficial it would inevitably mean some consistent change, that benefits the player. If the given advantage is something completely unnatural, like information, there really isn’t any legitimate increase in skill or strategy it could be consistently disguised under. The player would just look luckier, game after game, match after match. Even if the cheater made excellent efforts to mask their behaviour, it would be very hard to do consistently, and would show up over time as increase in suspicious events. Most cheaters will not be so careful, and will only make a poor attempt to clear areas they already know are safe, and mimic normal pre-aim behaviour. Even if the cheater

[@TheSuperappelflap]

the "highly trusted players" are also cheating, just deeper in the closet

[@1Fracino]

Got to say, doesn't look like the last guy was cheating to me. When he hides near the box in mid, it's cause the guy who plays cave might push mid to the site and this is the best way to surprise him IF he decides to push. Honest to God, i don't think he's cheating.

[@diezl187]

Valve doesn’t care, man. Cs has always had a cheating problem but it’s worse now then it’s ever been. Valve knows this, can see this, has been “working on it” for years upon years. Now it’s almost normal to hear about “pros” cheating. Valve isn’t going to do anything and it’s why myself and a bunch of others I know quit the franchise.

[@sushiaim5418]

Has anyone noticed that players that use 800dpi have suddenly shot up in performance whilst players who were huge aimstars on 400dpi arent nearly as consistent in CS2, cant help but think subtick is in some way responsible for this, someone should compare performance with dpi settings data since cs2 release, someone thats not me cos I aint got time for that shit.

[@newdiary6978]

They should follow valorant on how they battle cheaters. Use kernel anticheat

[@Vestlygaming]

There are many Cheaters in pubs and some of them went to pros league 😂

[@do.xuantung]

Counter-Cheater 2023, the only way to play this game is through Faceit, ESEA, you can't trust Valve, I literally met the same spin bot in my team after playing against him few weeks ago

[@astolfokawaii2524]

why cheat, it takes the beauty of this game away

[@magnusnilsson9792]

I see more blatant cheating in every casual game, everytime.

[@LyllianaofMirrah]

Same

[@coolsnow141]

Damn..i want this glasses😮

[@lartonki]

11:05 Well that's right play to do, he's there alone with the bomb, two own guys on upper mid and one watching lane on mid. he have no reason to push on a main on by own, on that point he just need to hold if someone is pushing a main again (it's not likely to happend but as we see it did happend) while waiting that upper mid guys can get something to do. He pushing a main alone with the bomb would be something that would most likely to lose them to round.

[@kevvumeans]

Yeah, they were just splitting A, most likely there will be a second ct who is trading, pros just have good gamesense and they play against certain players/teams, they watch and analyse demos. Hard to believe he is cheating.

[@cattameme]

How much does it cost for him to register, entrance fee? on a team and be on the team? how much money did he invest for the tournament just to get banned?

[@miinus8972]

that was not suspicious at all from PERA tbf

[@EthanSchaner]

I don't think the Pera guys are cheating. If those are the most suspicious rounds I'm not convinced. Cons however was very blatant. I watched full demos of him. Hilarious how blatant that guy is.

[@EthanSchaner]

The reason why hes holding A main before the second player pushes is because he's waiting for his teammate to rotate over to him.

[@regalgrit]

Ngl I really couldn't say any of these guys were 100% cheating from any of the clips here. Only one that looked even sus imo was NEXI on the guy playground in T spawn. And even then I'm on phone so forgive me if I'm wrong here as its hard to tell on a 8 inch screen, but I'm 90% sure you can see the T's arm go behind the box as he jumps over, hence the quick flick. The rest of the clips can be explained away as teammates calling out information, good gamesense and awareness or just good timing. Hence, really demonstrating the need for ALL players to be monitored via a third party in these competitions.

[@regalgrit]

To take as an example the clip at 9.55, it's pretty standard for 2 CTs to be B site at the start of the round. He kills one of the rotating CTs so it is safe to assume there is a high chance the last CT is rotating the same direction given he already killed 2 from the opposing direction. However he will notice he is 14HP while the last CT is likely ~100, as such he must hit a headshot or play the element of surprise. And so makes a very smart play, he first makes a lot of noise jumping down and into middle, then slow walks and plays the box, an unexpected position, with only two angles.

[@regalgrit]

CT peaks over facing middle where he heard steps, and gets shot from below, a fantastic play

[@South_0f_Heaven_]

I haven’t played CS:GO in a few years. But if it’s this bad already not going to bother with CS2. Maybe check my inventory see if anything went up in value.

[@xavier4542]

They can't be considered pros if they are cheating.

[@Ridley1911]

Most pros cheat, sorry to break it up to you. e-sports is a slang for closet cheat hvh

[@idrinktapwater6174]

the game is such a chore, i really don't care if anyone cheats. it's a bad game

[@snifzz]

Banger video

[@wuza8405]

9:47 what's that sound? it's like someone dropped a gun but it's not the same

[@Dom-HSK]

this is just sad man, if you can't play pro without cheating then just learn to play better ffs.

[@nonyabisness6306]

it's so bad right now.

[@sirruffalot]

Cons has silver mouse movement. Dead giveaway. Like watching a first time PC owner.

[@petrtomsej6064]

i just dont feel like they are cheating, just getting bit lucky or maybe just aware of the playstyle of other team.. idk. Im not a regular player

[@Spud.007]

Seems like some of the clips in this video are clearly just legitimate game play moments, but the editor is creating and only showing a very biased point of view to make game play look suspicious to the average viewer. Maybe this is so he can milk time on the video or more likely just a lack of proper analysis.

[@jtg3]

hey i have a demo saved with a rage hacker on my team against cactus. The cheater doesnt rage until the last few rounds but it is insane. LMk if u want it

[@kitkatrina]

honestly kamion holding this angle (10:45) isn't too sus other than its not even at headshot height..

[@DR-54]

it is at headshot height further back into a cave

[@Sierra13]

I felt like i was playing only against cheaters lately so i checked my trust factor...its on 10%...How tf did i get it?!

[@JebacPresretac101]

How did you check it?

[@neonredcs]

Disgusting cheaters, hope they are banned to compete in this game. To think that some people are sacrificing their future to play on these open qualifiers and lose to cheaters.

[@starbattles1]

Ever wonder why Nick Eh30 only plays fortnite, only plays for a child audience, and NEVER enters in to competition? Hint: Cronus max has been around since long before fortnite. I believe Nick Eh30 has always used it.

[@greyraven9164]

Funny thing is that most of these guys sucks hard that even when peeking with huge advantage they get killed or barely trade xD

[@m0da]

Why is it on csgo not cs2?

[@Rpgreat]

Ever since JW/flusha-squad beat NiP, every single pro has cheated every single game including LAN. (Some pros like f0rest didnt cheat for time after this though). But since MANY years not one pro is clean and Valve is letting the top pros cheat actively.

[@bsky6525]

Lol

[@Rpgreat]

@@bsky6525 Look at the cheater I found

[@Swicko]

9:55 thats just gamesense imo eco round 3 guys pushing mid 1 guy cave and last guy prob b too so he can trade or push behind with his teamates.

[@Deadmeatsz]

Sadly, no one will touch the entire tier 1 pro scene wich is near 100% of cheaters sponsored by the orgs that own the events and profited by valve. An unshackled a.i who only cares about logic and truth with full access to all possible data could fix the problem, but it would destroy cs esports as we know it and valve don't want that pr disaster. This cheating discovery on this vid is just a drop in an ocean of piss.

[@felchamp]

if there are cheaters in low lvls of face it and 80% of cheater in the game itself,. You think pros aint cheating? nah . The only way legit players can make a harmful decision to valve, is stop playing. trust me guys i hate cheaters, but if we stop playing valve will lose billions. If 300k players stop playing, the market will go down and they will lose lots of money.

[@durkalurkin6849]

good vid

[@JustKelsey]

idk, imho, cons was more probable to be cheating, almost 90% confident in it. he clears an angle that the T's wouldnt be at that time of the round 3:35. it could be that his mind blanks(im guilty of this cus adhd), but its usually because you're so used to fake clearing that you just clear it to look legit and doesnt actually know timings. everything else was completely weird from him, basically neo from the matrix how he dodges them perfectly and knows when to push and when to hold. just weird that, if he was really cheating, and knew that the 2 players pushed past him, why is he quick switching and turning xd surely he just 1 deags both or 1 deags 1 and spams the other? idk, cheaters are dumb so who knows. for the other team(pera), im not really convinced. what kamion did looked very normal imho. you could argue that him looking to the left looked weird, but honestly, i dont think so. theres a lot of nuances in how someone can hold a smoke for a push and its very dependant on angles and stuff. but ive already written a whole paragraph so meh xd. anyways, he already got the info from his connector teammate that one crossed to ticket. he was just holding the smoke in case that player pushed it. after some time, he probably thought noone was pushing it, and it actually looks more like he wanted to hold the corner of the wall by the trash can for when the smoke fades but over corrected and adjusted it back. you can probably argue that THAT is the most sus thing there and that he couldve used an aim key to "scan" for an enemy. but idk, its entirely possible in a normal round. of course he reacts to the push and kills the T coming through and pushes through the smoke after his con teammate spots the other 2 and thats probably why people think thats sus with the way he adjusts his xhair/aim in the smoke. but im not really that convinced. the round where they jump down could be that they knew that the other team was on a low buy and that guns were dropped mid. he could be taking a gamble that dropping and making sound would make the ct push out for the guns or just info. the only real weird part about it is that he doesnt bother about any other angle but cheetah/jump-up. the ct couldve been anywhere top mid or donut. but maybe they knew that the last player was the B anchor and he just expected that player to be B that round. actually, rewatching that clip, the last ct WAS running and jumping in cheetah. and while he was shooting the 2nd to last ct and you can make the arguement that he might not have heard him, but im more than positive that that he heard the last ct. the only clip i will agree is weird of pera, is the last clip. getting the first kill is fine. but the 2nd is weird. you could argue that he's just cautious of a follow up push for info, but he just seems a little hyper aware of what exactly to hold. now i didnt watch the whole demo, but, its very possible that they noticed a tendency from the CT, that they would push after 1 dies and nothing happens so they want info, but idk. at the end of the day, they could be cheating, they could maybe not be cheating. but im not in any shape defending any cheaters, i hate them. but im just looking at the clips at face value and thinking if i would be doing the same. but what do i know, im just a random chick on the internet :P

[@WaRk1ll3r111]

It was OBVIOUS cheating. Go watch the whole vid

[@jm4n47]

turn ur mic up bro so quiet

[@jonasasterlund8909]

Pro here and pro there, is it a pro when ur noob and need cheats? i dont understand 2024