Tiny Tanks! Trying out the new Legion Imperialis

Turns out the new game system for Legion Imperialis is rather fun and dynamic. Let's check it out.
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[@hannahgeraghty4201]

I've seen a lot of people treat 30k as a historical wargame, but really legions imperialis feels much more like a real historical wargame while 30k is more suited for narrative games. I like it

[@efzmonkey]

I had a blast on this one, thanks for hosting us. Also that thumbnail is superb, you should do more like it!

[@euansmith3699]

I felt the wall-merging pain of your Terminators 😭😭😭

[@wardkerr2456]

That was great. Much more interactive than regular Warhammer, a lot less standing around waiting. I could see fielding much larger armies, huge battles.

[@MrClassicor]

"Feel no pain" only works against light weapons, and also not in close combat. I found that out after a game in which I hilariously saved 2 stands of Astartes after they were blown up by Marauder bombs. I also don't think you can target the HQ stand specifically, because they join the detachment - I *think* the owning players decides which stands from a detachment get removed as casualties (from the ones within LoS), right?

[@nehrigen]

From shooting and dangerous terrain the controlling played decides which model makes saves and possibly dies, from close combat it goes to the model in the fight.

[@aurumworks]

When the table is too small and the battles are too big, just use smaller miniatures. For all your Epic needs.

[@blackwolf671]

So, Toward the tail end of 9th ed. 40k, a friend and I started playing with alternating activations, going phase by phase. Deploy and Roll off as normal, active play takes his command phase, then the other player. Then onto movement, He moves one unit I move one unit, back and forth until all units are moved. Same of psychic.. not that thats really a thing anymore in 10th. The shooting and the charge phase we combined into one, that way melee skew armies like world eaters wouldn't just get auto bodied by shooting lists like tau. You could shoot then charge when you selected a unit. Melee pretty much worked exactly the same, but their was only the one phase and because both players had options to charge the fights first mechanics were much more important. Worked out so much better. So much more engaging. It changed up not just what you targeted but the order of operations was so important. If I saw he was moving a melee threat I could just sort of back up, but at the same time im trying to bait out his movements to get line of sight and positioning. You couldn't just hide behind cover on your turn then shoot when it was safe, You had to play come out and play if you wanted to fire your guns but you had the ability to play with range and move tactically if your weapons could reach further. What you shot and charged was so important, A big unit firing first was such a huge delima - it already fired this turn, so do you put your output into whats still got shots left to minimize incoming damage or do you try to get if off the board for next turn? Their was only the one melee phase, but that kinda worked with 9ths hyper lethal melee output. What Normally ended up happening was One player would win on the the center or one of the flanks, then the other player would use his initiative to take anther flank. It kept things very dynamic and had us thinking and going back and forth till round 4 or 5 every time. Haven't had a chance to try it in 10th (moved out of state, hard to find regular gaming partners in bum-fuck-nowhere west-texas), but should work just fine, a few strats like rapid ingress would need to be reworked and honestly it seems like it would make battleshock alot more meaningful. Highly recommend giving it a try.

[@desc4405]

Ever since I’ve started playing alternating activation games I’ve had no desire whatsoever to play traditional IGOUGO games like 40k. It’s an antiquated system that needs to be replaced.

[@JayTeacakes]

As fun as the Commander-on-Commander action was, once deployed Commanders must be assigned to another (In this case Infantry) detachment so those Commanders should have been attached permanently to their detachments (Same for the other SA Commander). Void shields and Titans are a bit weird, but you need to roll all the weapons from all models first to determine the number of hits. Then the defender chooses which hits to resolve and in which order, so the Titan could have taken that Demolisher hit on the Void shields and then resolved the lascannons. Also generally Structures don't affect to-hit rolls, there's no being partially-in-cover thanks to a Structure unless you're a Knight or a Titan. Other units need to be within Terrain like Difficult terrain, Obscuring Terrain, etc. So couple of cases you were applying minus to-hits due to the Structure, but Structures don't do this. Stunning looking Space Wolves, really takes me back to Epic in the 90s :)

[@euansmith3699]

What a fun battle report. Monkey and Sultan are such good sports. I really like the painting on the buildings.

[@Danmossman1981]

Thanks for the report guys. Great to watch. Will definitely watch any more LI reports you do. Especially keen to see mixed actions with air support etc.

[@patriarch7237]

Was feeling bad for Monkey when the Terminators materialised inside the building walls. "Commander, only half the unit has appeared. The bottom half 😬...." Lovely painting guys!

[@euansmith3699]

😂😂😂

[@adampratt6078]

Id love to see more games of legions guys. Been playing a few games with a friend and its been awesome. As its so tiny we've actually been playing at the pub! 😅

[@gregmichaud7314]

Yes!!!! I was hoping you would have this on your channel. Please keep bringing us this content

[@obiwanmagenty]

Thanks for the great video! Remember that objectives are 'sticky' in Legions so you do not have to stay on them to hold them! I am so glad you had decided to do this, as i thought it would be right up your street. I will be looking out for any further Legions Imperialis videos as I love the grand scale and 'Epic' feel of the game, but also the much more engaging tactical nuances! More please!!!!

[@williamculverwell7738]

Love seeing it! No split fires for detachments outside of titans next time per the rules! But great bat rep!

[@AdamSaltFPV]

This was a great video, you all did great! I’m deep into painting my astartes, can’t wait to get some more games in. I hope to see more of these battle reports!

[@BigPashPlays]

I was going to automatically go for Marines until I saw Sultan had Baneblades.

[@nicopwg]

Thanks for the battle report, we wantz more. Rules wise: there's no modifiers to hit for obscuring except for titans. When the velitarii were overwatched and failed morale they could not reach melee, they are shot before being engaged (otherwise they are engaged and pinned and cannot be shot at). You can't target a specific model in a detachment like the commander model when it is still attached to its detachment. Medicare only works against light weapons. Master Tactician can only change the order of another unit, not its own unit's order. When losing a melee while garisonning a building, you do not need to make a morale check even if you lose the fight if there are no enemies remaining in base contact with the building. You cannot split fire within a detachment even if they have different weapons (example: a detachment with missiles, plasmas and bolters, they all have to shoot at the same target) except point defence. A titan can try to destroy a building by being next to it and can still shoot all its weapons, check the titan rules. When shooting a unit you shoot everything first then defender chooses which hits to save first, it usually doesn't matter but this is important against titans, they can choose the big hits against the void shields and keep the little hits to save against. I think that's all I remember. But please do more battle reports especially with one or two big titans!

[@msejer74]

Loved it. Nice paint jobs. Would love to see more

[@bakuchidancer]

Engine killer(2) means it takes 2 extra damage for total of 3

[@modeldads]

Great vid, Monkey's dice were diabolical :)

[@WardenTremere]

Loved it. This is a total blast. I can’t wait to pick this up.

[@smellslikemachinespirit4255]

That was educational and entertaining! Thank you for the video!

[@kimstyles5078]

Awesome, really enjoyed this Battle report 😊 looking forward to my first game when I get off this oil rig 😊

[@crainialpressure]

Fantastic LI battle report! Monkey showed that being aggressive on the objectives (even with his bad dice rolls) can carry the day. Looking forward to another LI bat rep

[@pierremartinent5738]

That was awesome ! More please !

[@editor2766]

Love seeing Winters cover this! I think you'll like the game Winters!

[@vineheart01]

ok i legit laughed loudly when i saw the snakeeyes dread melee followed by a 3....that is hilariously bad luck man lol

[@Jon_lad]

Detachments only take morale tests if fired at so engaged units only check to see if they withdraw if they lose the fight. They don't need to take the morale check for losing half the stands.

[@MrClassicor]

one more little thing I think came up in the game: You flee at least once befire you check to remove Fall Back orders. Page 64, 5. End Phase, 1. Fall Back Stage : "Any Detachment currently issued with a Fall Back Order flees as described below. Then, the controlling player makes a Morale check for every Detachment that is issued with a Fall Back Order. If the check is passed, the Detachnent has rallied..."

[@shyshy1984]

oh cool! i've seen these once before. i actually like the idea of minaturer minis... ramps up the scale of battles. 🤔

[@bakuchidancer]

39:36. Losing half unit morale test is for shooting only. In melee only losing side takes morale test

[@strigoi_guhlqueen8355]

Thank you so much. I’m very exited for this.

[@TheLurgoyf]

Some rules to look up for next time. 1. Objectives are "sticky" p103 Capturing Objective Markers 2. Can only engage a garrisoned building with charging infantry, a titan, or a unit with wrecker p72 Engaging Garrisoned Structures

[@marastarbreaker6327]

Great battle rep. Like the format very much

[@mustangcogger]

Really great game guys a few rules mistakes but that's to be expected with only a few games under your belt. Really enjoyed watching it hope you do some more on the channel. Great camera work and commentary from winters.

[@johnm5388]

I would love to see Legions Imperialis featured on the channel again! Loved this battle report!

[@eoinocnaimhsi2598]

This was great. More of this!!

[@WoffBoot]

Great to see the little men in action.

[@tankatim13]

13:20 Light AT weapon doesn’t reduce Armour saves of vehicles. Rhinos have a 4+

[@LoneGuardsmen]

Solar Auxillia looking real good haha I definitely thought the wolves would slaughter them. Great batrep! May have to get into this. Was nice to see the Wolves hold on to the objectives

[@Secretgeek2012]

The Rend rule makes several Solar Auxilia units absolutely ridiculous in close combat, and I mean game breakingly ridiculous. E.g. A couple of Ogryn units can absolutely annihilate multiple units of assault marines, even when they're charged.

[@LoneGuardsmen]

@@Secretgeek2012 yeah Charonites are ridiculous in the lore too they mop up space marines haha

[@tankatim13]

37:40 ouch with the rolling

[@MaxxVane]

Great battle, would like to see more

[@thehandoftheking3314]

I absolutely love this game. Me andca friend are trying out the Command token and turn sequence in a 40k game next week.

[@MVN1003]

Im normally here for the regular 40k. And have started to skip the Horus Heresy videos. But this I want more of! Although the alternating activation became a bit confusing to follow when I listen to, more than watch the battlerapports, I still found it very entertaining as it had much faster action.

[@robindowse7893]

That was awesome i cant wait to see more epic heresy battles

[@clavain2458]

Love the battle report great work as always...loving the game LI in general....rules though are all over the place in the book. Dreads get Armored so they reroll saves I believe...might have helped in the game!

[@DrumsTheWord]

I am SO in love with the return of Epic. I just don't have enough time in my life to play both 40K AND this game!!

[@kgp277]

These look so cool. Imagine a tiny Chaos army with little (giant) demons and whatnot! Wish this wasn't just HH.

[@kgp277]

I'll look into it actually, thanks @@phandaal

[@batteredwarrior]

If it was 40K, we'd be waiting 10 years for all the armies and units to release.

[@zHawkC]

Sultan looking pretty stacked, the catachan are calling!

[@ceridangitp]

More tiny tanks please.

[@Panta8472]

this was awesome! i'd like to see one with a bunch of planes, battle of Britain style!

[@mi7evn326]

Nice models and table I think only titans can split fire Point Defense can nominate a Secondary target with 4" I think Commanders attach to other detachments as well Close formation Fighting is just infantry

[@OntarioGuy430]

I feel like with tiny soldiers they should be using tiny dice - those dice are as big as a contemptor!

[@hotsauce8780]

The dice of fate should have some weight

[@tim9241]

Is Legion Imperialis compatible with models from Titanicus? Enjoyed these bat reps back in the day Winters!

[@patriarch7237]

Yes, you use the AT models for Titans and Knights.

[@andrewpreston8404]

Love it. More!!

[@johncolvin2754]

Fascinating, the sneaky stuff reminds me of the phone game

[@darryllewis8616]

Nice bat rep, a few things missed, Malcadores have 2 wounds so that would have added points turn 4. Otherwise though nice to see, keep it up

[@PurpsUK2]

Seems much more tactical than 40K, I liked it, it's all about play rather than bonus and ability stacking.

[@marksalmon5750]

That was Amazing!!

[@aleksanderbaraniak6208]

Great game, are we sure one of those 'loyal' armies was not Alpha Legion Marines?! 😉

[@vineheart01]

this is why we play practice rounds, theres a lot of little things that are radically different than normal 40k in this. For one, you cant splitfire a detachment (40k terms, unit) unless a rule lets them do so. "All models in a detachment must fire at the same target, unless a special rule allows them otherwise" (This is the big point for Point Defense, as otherwise the big gun is forced to hit pathetic small guys or the small gun is forced to hit something it cant hurt) I'm not sure why they did that, since it kinda makes adding heavy guns to basic squads really pointless outside of ablative wounds. Then again, with how fast things die, thats reason enough lol Only massive rule flop i notice though is "Ignores Cover" fully ignores cover, as in the neg to hit is also ignored. you guys were still applying the -2 to hit.

[@EagleSpireGaming]

Using the Marine commander’s feel no pain when the wound wasn’t caused by a light weapon.

[@SimplyWarhammer]

This is glorious hehe nice work 👍💪

[@RobOngrui]

A no bullshit battle report with great footage - is it Christmas already again? Board is a bit empty for my taste but awesome stuff anyway!

[@zenosAnalytic]

The Auxilia carry the field! Unfortunately, the Wolves were only there to distract and sell their lives dearly, giving their allies time to secure victory in other battle-sectors XD XD

[@anibalmorales3769]

Excellent Gents... great game learn much

[@mrphgil974]

Monkey’s rolling luck was dire

[@trent_E]

What color did you use to paint your ultramarines ? Thank you 🙏

[@kj869]

What Road tiles/pieces are you using?

[@System-Update]

Super excited about this one. Epic is back. Go Monkey! Go Sultan! Die traitors! (Good to see Sultan upgraded the weapons on his titan...!)

[@sekara9866]

How many of the civitas city sets are you using on this battlefield? Are the worth the price tag?

[@TrebleAmp]

More of this pls! :D

[@Perchpole]

Thanks for the demo! I’ve seen a few similar examples of play and I don’t quite understand why the armour always hangs back! In a real battle the armour would lead with the troops tucking in behind.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

not really, in real battles you want your infantry to screen infront of your tanks in most circumstances. infantry useing tanks as literal cover is the exception not the rule.

[@Perchpole]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 what a load of twaddle! 🤣

[@johnnoble6989]

at the 33 min mark, the contemptors would have fought before the malcadors do their advance order, iirc

[@johnnoble6989]

oh you guys figured it out.

[@bushcritta1281]

more of this teeny tiny stuff plz

[@tompayne4945]

AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN! DO IT LOTS, I LOVE IT!

[@zenosAnalytic]

This looked really fun and, while I enjoyed the complicated facing-arcs and hit-tables of Old Epic and the massive detachment sizes, I can see the benefit of this new, streamlined, punchier ruleset. I also like how the squishiness of the units really plays into the lore of the Heresy as this horrendously wasteful conflict which has left the Imperium, even 10000 years hence, a broken shadow of what it once was. A bit sad that, given the Heresy setting, we wont likely be seeing any epic-scale Xenos forces any time soon. Though who knows: maybe they'll release a Megarachnid army list for us to play through the purging of Murder with XD XD XD

[@Horribleness3242342]

Man I wish they'd do Orks for this.

[@freeformroo3645]

comment for the algorithm gods. Remember Black Books and that scene when Bill Bailey had to remember how to use the security alarm... There was a little man! Thought that a lot during this video. True story.

[@knoxminis1211]

The new supplement where you can field 6K points of all titans and knights might be interesting. But, it'll take a while for people that weren't already playing Titanicus some time to build a maniple and household. EDIT: I'll also add that LI does feel a bit like a board game and not very tactical. But it's early, so maybe I'm not really seeing the full scope of the game as of yet.

[@batteredwarrior]

IMHO it's more tactical than 30K and 40K.

[@angelolombardi769]

I agree with the other comment. I've played all of the GW games and this is one of the most tactical. I believe that Fantasy is the other at the top of that list. Dice matter a lot, so it has variance but movement, use of terrain and making sure you put the right answers against the right threats is super important in LI. Playing the mission makes a difference, as this BatRep showed.

[@gonzokules7794]

I hope you go for some more Legions Imperiales Matches on your Channel with your own army. :)

[@bakuchidancer]

37:00 solar aux caf bonus is infantry only. Tanks don't have ranks

[@bakuchidancer]

32:30 was detachment commander had started died? Commanders are part of det's and point defence isn't sniper weapon able to choose target inside det

[@bradp6452]

Commanders are not freestanding units they are part of larger detachments.

[@sonofraven76]

I think they made the right choice doing it as 30K - you can collect one set of models for a large battle, or split them to face each other in a smaller one, plus you don’t get the rules bloat that comes with GW endlessly trying to balance the various factions against each other for the 0.1% of players that do competitive tournaments. I liked 8th ed 40K but haven’t enjoyed 40K since then. I just hope they’re willing to leave Legions Imperialis alone and let us enjoy a game where we know what the rules are from day-to-day, and we don’t have to check 17 different sources for the latest update. And they’ll do mechanicum, maybe custodes, and possibly the wider Imperial Army, and there’s even a hint about chaos demons in a recent article on Warhammer Community. And while nids, tau and necrons are out, they can always do orks and eldar, so there’s plenty of room for expansion yet.

[@bakuchidancer]

57:41 weren't you firing frag? Ignore cover ignores hit modifier and cover save. Where -2 to hit?

[@elijahmoxley1582]

LETS GO legions is my new main game

[@tomdavies7506]

More, more tiny 30K! Please!

[@darrenquarterman2611]

Ha forgotten they did mini stuff but I only bought it as a kid so we could have more than 10 vs 10 in battles as so much cheaper we’ll the old miniature stuff

[@vastlyblank]

Monkey’s dice rolls. Ouch…

[@WarhammerWings]

Still got any dice left over?

[@tonyhind6992]

Best game GW has done in a long time.

[@chrislognshot]

are they as tiny as old epic game that WG made in 1992 and 1993 where they had vortex missile of doom for it went all over board where both side hope did come there way after it was shot and land for first time. since you could shot and land back towards you from dice roll then keep going back toward you. since each play turn you to move it again. so you could fire it and miss the other person army and keep roll for it to hit your army only

[@batteredwarrior]

Nah, they are about twice the size.

[@s0m3b10k3]

Best LI bat rep currently on KZbin. Hoping you guys do more.

[@WraithRaider]

Interesting game, the lack of wound roll feels weird. Some the interactions of certain units easily killing other units was also weird. But still fun to watch, the orders and "you go, I go" are interesting. Its been a long time since I played epic space marine, but I do recall the orders. What's put me off this game is lack of orks!

[@batteredwarrior]

The wound roll is essentially combined with the hit roll, which is why the hit rolls need to be so high on average.

[@WraithRaider]

@@batteredwarrior oh I get that, but it means you’re wounding a baneblade the same as a guard squad!

[@angelolombardi769]

There is a community Ork list in circulation already. Eldar and Nids as well.

[@WraithRaider]

@@angelolombardi769 yeah but I’m not really interested in house rules, I’d rather have official models and official rules. It’s a personal thing and entirely my thing, but to be fair it’s saved me from sinking into another game :)

[@ericsmith9212]

This is what 40k needs! Alternate activations! Also,would like to see what the Aeronautica stuff does in this game.

[@mrdelaney4440]

SA flyers are really strong, marauders especially.

[@technosaurus9389]

Light AT = AP 0 against vehicles, so rhinos should have got regular saves vs vulkite

[@koshe86]

i have watched a few of these battle reports and it seems the SM always have alot more stuff than the guard...

[@mr_vivita5026]

Maybe bring more adeptus titanicus to the channel?

[@bradp6452]

Split fire was not done properly. Detachments can only split fire with specific rules like point defense or being titans.

[@LeadmagnetE8]

malcador tanks have 2 wounds each