Tiny Whoop - how to bind Inductrix to Taranis with OrangeRX module

[@TheSolongsidekick]

Dude, you're my savior! I have a Radiolink AT9 and I absolutely love it. I picked up a Taranis and an Orange module pretty much solely because I wanted better control (and acro mode) of/on my RTF Inductrix. There was another small reason - the Chinglish manual for the AT9 is incredibly hard to read so the radio is really hard to learn how to use. Not only is the Taranis almost a multirotor industry standard so there are guides (just like this!) everywhere, but the Taranis manual is leaps and bounds better as well. But the main reason by a huge margin was being able to really fly my Inductrix. Anyways, (sorry for getting sidetracked) thanks a ton for the video. I really appreciate it. So I followed your instructions verbatim, and am a bit confused on just one part. I went to the mixer page and channels 5 and 6 were both blank. I had already set the momentary switch just like it shows in the video, so I thought that was kind of odd; it must have not saved or something. But I went into channel 5 and set the source as SC, and channel 6 as SH. So here's my question, what exactly does SC do? I thought SH was the flight mode switch, so what is SC used for? Also, when first plugging the module into the bay the LED stays lit continuously. You might want to mention that so other newbies don't freak out when they don't see it blinking right away since you said "once you do X the module should start blinking" at about 1:23. I figured it would be configured later in the instructions, but some might not think that and freak out. Seriously, thanks a ton man - you saved me a huge headache.

[@CJDavies]

I'm no Taranis expert, but my limited understanding is that the inputs screen & the mixer screen are subtly different. The input screen is where you assign physical switches/gimbals/knobs to 'virtual' channels. The mixer screen is where you assign these virtual channels to actual transmitter channels. When you make a new model & choose the multirotor option, the Taranis automatically assigns the gimbals' 4 axes to 4 virtual channels in the input screen & gives them the names Thr/Ail/Ele/Rud, then also automatically maps them to the first 4 actual transmitter channels. But a virtual channel can actually map to *any* transmitter channel. So when you are setting up your Inductrix & tell the Taranis that you want virtual channel 6 on the inputs screen to be SH, it doesn't automatically add it to the actual transmitter channel 6 on the mixer screen - because you might want it on a different transmitter channel. AFAIK transmitter channel 5 doesn't do anything on the Inductrix (whether the input is SC or another switch makes no difference). So you could, if you wanted to, use virtual channel 5 on the inputs screen for SH & then assign that to transmitter channel 6 on the mixer screen. But I chose to skip virtual channel 5 on the inputs screen & put SH on virtual channel 6 just so the virtual channel numbering matches the transmitter channel numbering. Thanks for picking up on the flashing though, I'll try to add a note.

[@TheSolongsidekick]

Thanks for the reply, that actually helps me understand the way the Taranis works a lot. Definitely will serve me well in the future. So what does the SC switch do? I know that the momentary SH changes flight modes, but what is the three-position SC for?

[@CJDavies]

Switches don't have an inherent function/purpose, they just send low/zero/high when you flick them & what actually happens depends what the flight controller receiving that low/zero/high is programmed to do on whatever channel you mix it to. The Inductrix's flight controller is programmed to toggle flight mode when it receives a momentary low->high signal on channel six of its receiver. Because SH is the only momentary switch on the Taranis we use that & assign it to transmitter channel 6 on the mixer page. But if for example SB was also a momentary switch we could use that to switch flight mode on the Inductrix, simply by assigning SB to channel 6 on the mixer page. I'm not sure if the Inductrix flight controller actually does anything to input on channel 5 of its receiver, which is why I didn't bother assigning anything to channel 5 on the mixer page.

[@TheSolongsidekick]

Thanks for the explanation, I kinda understood switches already but that definitely helps cement my understanding of what's actually going on inside the controller. I was specifically asking what the switch assigned to channel 5 in the blog post (SC) does in this case. I forgot that you didn't have channel 5 assigned in your video, and that it was only assigned in that picture on the blog post. Maybe he has it assigned to different rate/expo levels, or knows something we don't haha. Thanks again.

[@poolec404]

Thanks for the ch6 mixer update! The Taranis is like *control* !

[@esaedvik]

Thanks for the video. I would've had a few things messed up without it. Some weird glitches too, but at least now it's bound and configured properly.

[@tumblew33d]

Nice work, thanks! I especially like your technical instruction to "keep on mashing the button to get what you want" :-) Thanks for the clear instruction though, you're helping people a lot! I spotted you on the tiny whoop FB group yesterday reminding someone to assign the SH switch

[@CJDavies]

I'm still kicking myself for forgetting to add the switch to the Mixer page in the video!

[@tumblew33d]

Thanks for the reminder! I didn't add it either! My mixer page is page 5 - I'm on Open Tx 2.1.7

[@BMSWEB]

Nice work on this one video. I wonder what causes the issue of it binding but no control. Sometimes it takes four or five power cycles to get it to work.

[@CJDavies]

I've wondered whether it might be something to do with the arming procedure - because there's no manual arming action that the user has to do, so maybe there is some sort of automatic arming handshake when the quad & tx connect that isn't perfectly implemented by the orangerx module?

[@BMSWEB]

It's a little thing but bugs the hell out of me :D

[@CJDavies]

Let us know if you find a solution, it bugs me to! We're wasting precious battery life powering the VTX each time we have to reconnect the battery!

[@BMSWEB]

You hit the nail on the head!! That's the issue. We're getting a second module hopefully today and my son and I are going to be able to race, but waiting for the successful bind is such a pain. I'll experiment and let you know how we go. I'm also planning a general video on the Inductrix I'll be sure to link you video in ours

[@CJDavies]

Nice one :) The more people we have making & sharing information about this build the better, because there are still so many people coming into it & asking the simple questions that are stopping them from buying & flying!

[@DJteamster]

With this setup, does any one get some glitching when flying there tiny whoop on the Tarannis? Also its all trims at 0, it seem to fly to the right.

[@RookieRotors]

that was exactly the how-to I was looking for. perfect, BIG THX!

[@DroneNovice]

Nicely demonstrated CJ exactly what I was looking for :-)

[@JoseSierradeLeste]

Great video, super useful. I didn't think of taking that dead zone out of the throttle. incidentally, I had to move it to -65.2 or it wouldn't work at all - ended up pushing it out to -70 because the throttle wouldn't stop during/after a crash. just fyi. thanks again!

[@raptorman0]

Thanks for this video, I had struggled trying to get the orangerx to bind, followed this but my Inductrixfpv just flips backwards and is upside down, could it be because it seems to go full throttle with one click of the throttle? thanks

[@AndyRial]

Clive Parrott I was having the same issue when I moved the throttle stick it would go haywire and lowering throttle to 0 would not shut down the motors. Try this: make sure you reverse Yaw and ailerons in your outputs. Also lower all inputs to 80 on the inputs page. In outputs make everything including throttle 70-70. Set flight mode switch to the spring toggle switch SH in inputs CH6 and add it to the MIX page CH6. Make sure the arrow points up after the SH.

[@macmondo74]

great video, I've ordered my Tiny Whoop and fpv setup. Need to get the module ordered from HK and I'll be all set. :-)

[@AngelGarcia-hb5id]

I have followed this video below to bind the inductrix but everytime I take the battery out of the inductrix I have to rebind... Why it keeps forgetting the binding? What am I doing wrong?

[@CJDavies]

I'm afraid I don't have any of this gear anymore to troubleshoot with, but considering the age of this video now there could well be different behaviour in more recent versions of OpenTX.

[@blakemanahan6040]

Does the tiny whoop have more power than that? Because when you were at 50 - 75% throttle the quad was barely getting off the ground.

[@CJDavies]

With the stock motors & battery (most people upgrade) mine has no problem flying with the added weight of the camera. I don't think I've ever gone full throttle on it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIqTeIh3it1jp80

[@txsatelectronics6156]

Hello CJ....Ive tried all of your settings but for some reason after around 30 seconds into the flight my Tiny Whoop goes kind of nuts by spinning and going up and down....any thoughts ?? Thanks !!

[@CJDavies]

Did you add channel 6 to the Mixer pager as well as on the Inputs page? I forgot to cover that in the video (I added a annotation but that doesn't show up on mobile) & omitting it will cause the quad to seemingly randomly switch to rate mode after a while which might explain the crazy behavior.

[@txsatelectronics6156]

I did add channel 6 to both locations and I notice after it freaks out and lands im still in the blue mode (stable)

[@CJDavies]

In that case I think the best I can do is direct you to facebook.com/groups/tinywhoop/ if you're not already a member there! Lots of discussion & knowledge being shared there, so hopefully somebody has experienced similar behavior to you?

[@txsatelectronics6156]

Thanks CJ....im already a member of that group and everyone has been very helpful and there has been others with the same problem. I just order another Tiny Whoop last night with its own remote so I can run further test to maybe see if its more of a remote setting problem or Whoop problem. Have you seen any of the Whoop main ic boards that have flaked out ??

[@CJDavies]

There was certainly somebody on the group a while back that had troubleshooted until the stage that the main board was the prime suspect & he ordered a new Inductrix, I don't recall what the outcome was though. Looking on the positive side hopefully you'll end up with 2 working Tiny Whoops!

[@travisroberts546]

I have a taranis x9 plus and I have the orx module and the inductrix when I press bind button it beeps 3 times that’s it will not bind yours beeped 7 times

[@bearcubb9442]

I cant for the life of me get the flight mode to work set to CH6 SH switch and nothing it shows on the radio its switching but nothing on the quad. Any ideas would help. Figured it out just had to delete the CH6 inputs and Mixer that I added and add over and now seems to switch back and forth fine.

Hmm... this doesn't work. You said in the video there's a dead zone in the throttle? I have the opposite problem, I can't get the motors to stop spinning. The quad binds ok but the throttle won't go to zero. As soon as I hit the throttle after binding, the props spin up and it lifts off but not enough to break ground effect. I thought it was because I was using a custom version from Tinywhoop, but even the stock inductrix does the same thing. any ideas?

[@CJDavies]

Have you checked the endpoints on your radio? Is the bottom end for the throttle channel higher than 1000 by any chance?

[@nicholascgoss]

greatly appreciated. My OrangeRx doesnt beep but it works

[@Shiitake0787]

Thanks a bunch! hoping this will work with my Taranis qx7 when i get it!

[@tmuzaffar1]

My inductrix binds fine with the Taranis, I get a solid light on the quad , but the quad does not start up .. Any suggestions?

[@CJDavies]

A lot of people (myself included) seem to have the issue that sometimes the quad will bind (solid light) but won't respond to controls, until you disconnect the battery from the quad & reconnect it a few times. Remember the dead zone on the throttle as well.

[@tmuzaffar1]

+CJ Davies Thanks CJ, I got it working the issue was that my default channel order was not TAER on the Taranis radio setup, so when the default multirotor was setup throttle was on the wrong channel and therefore not arming.

[@jimlile6093]

Great video, helped point me in the right direction. I have the Module with the Dip switches. After some fumbling about I discovered I wanted the following settings DSM2, 1024,22ms Set the Dip switches to sw1 sw2 sw3 sw4 sw5 sw6 sw7 sw8 off off on off off off off off Setting sw3 to Off is supposed to put the module in auto mode, but it didn't work for me

[@CJDavies]

Thanks for the info, hopefully if other people with the same version as you come across the video they'll see your comment! The v1.2 module has an auto mode as well, but I didn't actually try it.

[@odinata]

How do I know what flight mode Im in, or if it changes? My quad is doing some wonky flying

[@CJDavies]

There is an LED on the board, which is blue for self-level/horizon mode & red for acro/rate mode. If channel 6 isn't setup properly it can switch of its own accord while flying.

[@odinata]

CJ Davies As far as I can tell, the momentary switch I set to channel 6 like in the video does nothing. The blue light is blinking erratically, but no red light. but it goes crazy sometimes.Loss of signal? Also, no low lbattery warning? it just drops.

[@CJDavies]

Did you add channel 6 to the mixer page as well as the input page? I forgot to do this in the video, I added an annotation & updated the description but a lot of people don't see that. The Inductrix doesn't have any sort of voltage telemetry, so it can't warn you of low voltage. Once you get a feel for how long your particular size of battery lasts, you can add a timer to your Taranis.

[@odinata]

CJ Davies Didn't see that. Trying it now. Thanks again for be so helpful, informative, and nice. You ROCK!

[@craptacularflea]

no matter how many times I press that bind button, I never get it to change modes, any advice?

[@CJDavies]

I'm not sure how much I can help tbh. Mine certainly isn't reliable in terms of the button & modes, but as long as I kept on mashing it I could eventually get it into the right mode. Of course it is always possible that you received a faulty unit!

[@hav2roll]

+CJ Davies i'm having the same problem with two modules. My buddy and I have the same set up and I needed to change the mode for a different quad and ended up buying a spectrum DX6 after no one could get it to change on either module. My orange RX module is stuck on two blinking red lights. Fortunately, it connected immediately to my DX6, but I really want to fly with my Taranis.

[@hav2roll]

+CJ Davies oh, and great video by the way, very easy to follow!

[@DOJIELDIENVE]

Slow three press of the bind worked better for me.

[@DOJIELDIENVE]

This was very helpful. Thanks. 1-8 ch ppm worked better for me. On model setup page 2 extended limits checked on. According to this guide fpv-flightclub.com/tiny-whoop/

[@davidrichardson8394]

Mine won't bind, it doesn't flash but it does make the noises. What should I do?

[@JohnHill-jm7tm]

Have you tried the Taranis on the X-VERT VTOL? Trying to find a program using orange mod.

[@CJDavies]

Sorry, I've not tried any other models with the Orange module.

[@tetsuodark3094]

getting sea sick from all the movements. good info. just cant see most of it.

[@dikabyterc401]

Hi! greeting from Indonesia, very helpful video, it work well in my Tiny Whoop setup, but now I have range issue, the connection is lost below 20 meters, is it normal? or I need some setup? please advise, thanks :)

[@CJDavies]

I've only flown mine inside my house, so I can't comment from my own experience! Make sure you're using the 2.4GHz antenna that came with the module though, not a 5.8GHz antenna that you might have from some FPV equipment - as they both use the same connection the wrong one will fit on the module.

[@NeuralYogi]

hey CJ so I followed your video and I still get issues with the flight modes the red and blue is constanly flashing

[@CJDavies]

Did you definitely set SH to channel 6 on both the Inputs page & the Mixer page? I forgot to set it on the Mixer page in the video (I added an annotation, but they don't show up on mobile) & that causes the flight mode to randomly change on its own.

[@NeuralYogi]

ahhh that was it thanks! I just tried it and it worked perfectly thank you!!

[@NeuralYogi]

I didnt realize I need to set channel six in BOTH inputs & Mixer. I thought it was just input

[@CJDavies]

Yup, I forgot it in the video because I'm a scrub :3 If you look through the comments on this vid to the little conversation I had with SoLongSidekick I briefly explained the difference between the Inputs page & the Mixer page. Essentially the Inputs page just tells the Taranis what physical sticks/switches to listen to, while the Mixer page tells it what tx channels to actually transmit those inputs on. The basic throttle/yaw/pitch/roll are added to the Mixer automatically when you setup a new multirotor model but when you add a switch you have to add it yourself.

[@NeuralYogi]

+CJ Davies I gotcha and no worries but maybe put it in the video cause I feel most ppl will miss that in my opinion. but that's for the great video and help!

[@markryan3018]

Can you go back to the built in transmitter when you switch models, or do you have to remove the orange module?

[@CJDavies]

Each model has its own transmitter settings, so if you switch model to one that has the internal RF on & the external RF off the orange module will switch off.

[@markryan3018]

CJ Davies Excellent. I would like to attach an inductrix to a larger model, fly the larger model using the fpv camera on the inductrix, then land the larger model and fly the inductrix off of the larger one!

[@CJDavies]

Please upload a video when you do :D

[@markryan3018]

CJ Davies HaHa ok!

[@Josh_8300]

I cannot get it to change off of two flashes. Ive been mashing the button for 20 minutes

[@NETBotic]

same here i think it's a different orange module

[@dwhitt1224]

WhomImIzFPV did you ever figure that out? I am having issues still

[@Josh_8300]

Krazy Cabz nope, gave up

[@Wearyman]

Awesome video, nauseatingly shaky camera. (Urk. *turns green*) May I suggest turning on the KZbin "anti-shake" on this video?

[@NetherViking]

It works! Dude you are awesome thanks! :)

[@twinturbostang]

Any suggestions on getting it to work with a module based Futaba 10C with the OrangeRx module? Seems to bind (blue light stops flashing) but I have no control. I have this module www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__46635__OrangeRX_2_4GHz_DSMX_DSM2_Compatible_Transmitter_Module_Futaba_Compatible_.html which does not allow me to manually change the DSM2/X modes. Supposedly does it automatically. But it's stuck on DSMX-22ms.

[@CJDavies]

I'm afraid I've never used any Futaba radios before! Have you asked on the Tiny Whoop facbeook group? facebook.com/groups/tinywhoop/

[@McFly_FPV]

Hi, great video. As a new player I have a question for you. With this OrangeRX module will my taranis bind with my Blade 200qx, nanoqx, jjrc1000 or any other toyquad Thank you and sorry if look a bit newbie which i am ;)

[@korayz83]

Helped me bind my UMX Beast 3D. Might as well make the video title "how to bind to Horizon Hobby BNFs"

[@7sonero7]

why module so hard to find ?

[@CJDavies]

I think it might be one of the modules that HobbyKing got into trouble with the FAA for because it didn't adhere to some of the requirements for sale in the USA? Might explain why it's listed as 'backorder'.

[@7sonero7]

Thank you ! I was thinking about purchasing the Taranis for my Inductrix . Are there any quality radios that could connect to inductrx without the need for a module ?

[@CJDavies]

The Inductrix uses the DSMX protocol from a company called Spektrum who make their own radios, all of which I believe should work with the Inductrix without the need for a module. www.spektrumrc.com/Air/Radios.aspx

[@7sonero7]

Thanks !

[@violinkid]

Are you using the default receiver that comes with Inductrix?

[@CJDavies]

Yes, I'm using the stock flight controller/receiver board.

[@joshuagreenway5158]

Thank you for the help!

[@spodee55]

How much expo did you add? On what channels? I couldn't tell what you did to throttle either. Anyway I APPRECIATE THIS SO MUCH GOT ME UP AND FLYING!

[@CJDavies]

I put 30% on, it might be a bit too much. I've only recently starting flying with expo, with all my other quads so far I've just used the raw inputs. I didn't do anything extra to the throttle, no expo on that.

[@spodee55]

Thank You I'll give that a try!

[@adamfuller925]

I can't believe I am about to post in the comments on youtube - I am not a moron - honest! if you have the orangerRx tx with a set of dip switches no amount of pressing the bind button in 3's changes it's mode - flip dipswitch 3 (and only 3) to ON and you are away - otherwise the rest of this video was perfect - thanks CJ. ps orangeRx Tx was delivered today (8/4/2017) from Hobbyking -so there are still dipswitch (pre v1.2?) versions out there for sale.

[@chekwun42]

thank you very much

[@PudseyRc]

Big Help Cheers :D

[@dr0nerinofpv31]

thx alot!