Tired of Current Rally Games? Try this to spice things up!

[@JamesSheldonUnofficial]

WAIT i just realised while watching this i have seen you in rbr rallies before. It's cool that I found a channel of someone i have previously seen doing well in rallies and it makes me respect your opinion more

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Thank you, appreciate the respect! I crash out of rallies quite often though. Anyway, what's your username? Just so I can look out for you in online rallies too XD.

[@JamesSheldonUnofficial]

@@G.Wee_Rallying It's JaMa, I haven't done a rally in a while but ill start doing them again. I drive a lot in a league called world rally foundation and there is going to be a new season using the wrc 2.0 litre cars maybe you should join

[@Krautastic]

3:30 exactly! EA's cars seem to float over the ground with a rubber band or glue holding them down. The roads are too smooth, but it doesn't matter because weight transfer seems to have no effect on how the cars drive. The interaction with roadside ditches/high angle walls like rock walls is very inconsistent too. Sometimes you bounce off them like an old gran turismo game sometimes it launches you in the air. The cars in EA wrc rotate artificially and are way too reactive. Ripping the steering wheel at 60mph on dirt the car immediately reacts with no understeer or reaction delay. If you take a rwd car and drive in 5th gear at 20mph at full throttle through a long corner, the car will spin out like there's a fake rotation force in effect. WRCG I just picked up. It's a breath of fresh air. Cars feel much more realistic, weight transfer is very satisfying (especially New Zealand high speed stages!). Tire reactions feel way more like they do in my real life car on stage gravel tires (steer, low grip delay, weight transfer, grip, car turns/reacts) . You can see what I mean at around 20s in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWWvaoiDeLufZ9ksi=Yhh9Gd6RXxEYF8uY My big issue is the tires never dig down to grip. This is a problem launching, at large slide angles and low speed hairpins. It looks like the mod maybe solves that (watching the Finland launch). One bummer is an auto-braking bug I've discovered. It happens if you start in 2nd gear which is how I like to launch 2wd cars to manage wheel spin. Letting off throttle brakes go to 50% immediately. With the bad low speed tire spin and auto braking bug it makes the lancia 037 difficult to drive. I have to suffer a poor launch in first gear until the timer starts to avoid the auto brake bug. Oh, one last thing! The games default settings are way too soft and the diffs too open! Increasing the diff preload and accel lockup makes a huge difference in most cars. Cheers on a great video!!

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Thanks for a more detailed look into the physics. Yes the physics mod does make going more sideways much more reliable and also fixes the wheel spin issues. If u could u should try WRC 10 as well, maybe try for a little while and refund it. The handling is a lot better in that game but the cars are too fast. If WRC G has similar car behaviour to WRC 10 while keeping the feeling of inertia, I think it would hit the sweet spot. Except for RWD though, in WRC 10 RWD feels like AWD for some reason.

[@AlexKowalski-ci6im]

I really APPRECIATE❤ your approach on how to analyze physics in rally sims, which is not an easy task. Well done, thank's a lot for your inspirations. What I want to remark: The stages in WRC Gen look so much more ALIVE and affectionately crafted compared to the new EA Sports WRC.

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Thank you! Yea, in fact I feel like it's the main positive from the Kylotonn games. Their stages look a bit funky in terms of scale but somehow you just find yourself immersed in it, and not to mention, there are no super special / spectator stages in EA WRC. It's so boring. But hey, people like different things.

[@swemx7403]

RBR replay camera is still the best. I don't know how EA WRC manage to fk it up, But the replay camera as a spectator feels stiff (On point all the time on the car) and has that fish eye lens camera when the car flies by. It's bad.

[@wesrulesflooring]

Great video. I love the generations stages over ea wrc. I just couldn’t put my finger on why. You said it very well!

[@Mathias-RetroFutureTech]

Damn did you put a lot of work into this video! Great stuff, really! Wasn't aware of the WRC Generations mods. Since I'm disapointed af from EA WRC and don't have the nerves currently to setup RSF again, I might really try it in the next couple weeks. :D

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Haha, that's great to hear.

[@msum23]

Agreed. Just need a good sound mod and dark windshield mod, I heard they may be coming. EA WRC is very underwhelming, I had such high hopes. Some stages are good... but it feels so lacking. My favourite lately is seb loeb rally evo though.

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

I totally agree man, the sounds are quite lame. Same here, my main complaint is that EA WRC doesnt even have super special stages. They spent so much effort making gimmicks like the car builder and regularity rally that really nobody asked for that they had to cut corners with their stages. It also has very crappy post processing, sunny stages with cockpit cam makes everything outside have too much bloom. As for Seb Loeb Rally Evo, that game is really not commonly played, it does sound like a good alternative to the 3 I mentioned though. Maybe it needs more attention.

[@givenvaaltyn2949]

Wonderful video appreciate it, I would like to know if there are settings whereby to prevent the cars from sliding all over the place and as soon as you accelerate you loose control of the car then I become pissed lol..thank you

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Yea it's unavoidable in the unmodified game, super infuriating.

[@bajeebus-j2p]

Generations has physics mods?

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@bajeebus-j2p yes

[@ElBein48]

Por fin alguien que explica la diferencia de ea WRC y WRC generations. Un vídeo genial. Buen trabajo.

[@TechnoRacerX]

Great video here. Some of those mods are pretty freaking good! :)

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Thanks man, yea I agree, can't wait for some of them to be fully functional

[@TechnoRacerX]

@@G.Wee_Rallying have you tried the new SurfaceFX physics for Rally in Assetto Corsa? Curious of your opinion on it. Should make an interesting video. :) subbed. Cheers

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@TechnoRacerX Nope I haven't, sounds interesting, might give it a try.

[@IamfoxesK]

Isn't that how cars work let a look at your example at 3:42 you said front turns rear slips out and on 3:51 u said front turns in rear slips out again it's the same thing dk what's u on about

[@Fisherman6383]

9:43 did the engine just got damaged by that ramp ?

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@Fisherman6383 Yes 😂

[@Fisherman6383]

@G.Wee_Rallying lol if that small ramp can damage an engine , finland rally gonna make some suspension disappear into thin air 🤌

[@macrosss]

i dont own EA WRC yet, but you sure made me want to go back to generations now its been a long time, i did not know that it had mods! thanks!

[@tedfloyd1961]

Great Video,do these mods ban you from online and multiplayer play?

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Nope, its really dumb and your timings will even be updated. Basically it's free for all cheating in this game.

[@richardoliveira153]

Generations is by far the best in recent years. Even with no mods.

[@DouglasThompson]

Yo

[@richardoliveira153]

@@DouglasThompson yo

[@darttroll7666]

Really cool video but what about Dirt Rally 2.0? Why wasn't it been mentioned?

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@darttroll7666 well that was pretty much an older version of this game made by the same developer and by "current" in the title I meant the latest from the biggest 3 rally game developers talked about nowadays that being EA Codemasters, Kylotonn and RallySimFans so I didn't consider it as part of the discussion. But hey there are many things that DR2 still does better than EA WRC.

[@andrievbastichy8551]

physics mod comparison to me the vanilla is better.. some corners u can see the weight sliding the car out. i like the damage mod. is there a mod to turn clutch overrideOFF? i mean dirt rally has it.. and u can stall or grind gears with it OFF.

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@andrievbastichy8551 not that I know of

[@robertrossi9364]

It's the best modern really game. I'm a huge fan of rbr but I just can't pull away from generations

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Exactly, it's not a great simulator but it's a damn good game

[@richmachin6741]

@@G.Wee_Rallying I say WRCG might not simulate the PHYSICS accurately, but it simulates the FEELING of hustling a fast car down a narrow road VERY WELL; love it!

[@sportschool3537]

@@richmachin6741 The physics with the mod are very accurate for modern cars and I'm sorry but I tried RBR and it's physics are a placebo effect... it LOOKS realistic but it doesn't feel realistic cause the FFB is ancient and while you get FFB on the car's weight being thrown around you have literally NOTHING from the tyres. When I push the throttle in RBR I can't feel the tyres spinning on the gravel at all and this results to the all time classic RBR scenario of you having grip and suddenly, without any indication you have 0% grip and the car is going somewhere out of your control with you scratching your head and saying "maybe I applied too much throttle?"... and the key word here is MAYBE... with RBR it's always maybe... I uninstalled RBR very very fast and my thought was only "people are very easily fooled, this is not realistic at all, it just tries very hard to look like the real thing". Also RBR is really preying on the stupid notion that "the hardest=the most realistic" which is not true. It's easier to spin in iRacing than Assetto Corsa but Assetto Corsa is most times closer to driving a real car than iRacing whose FFB and physics are getting dated by now and even it's own playerbase admits it. Anyway, after playing WRC Generations WITH THE MOD (without it it's meh or even horrible), THIS is how a rally car actually drives... meaning that the FFB gives me all the info I need to be fast while also dancing on the edge of losing grip and having a crash... in the modded WRC Generations you need to be careful about your speed and not overdo it but at the same time when you're about to lose it you can save it cause the FFB gives you the necessary info. In RBR most people drive stupidly slow cause they know the moment they try to be even 1% aggressive the game will screw them and they'll crash. Anyway, WRC Generations with the mod is a gift to rally fans... it's waaaay too good. I'm obsessed with my career mode now... lol

[@Itz_Jack57]

Great content. Thanks for your efforts! :)

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Thanks for watching!

[@5JSX5]

I'm really happy that RBR finally has some competition because the graphics and sound turn me off so much but it seemed to me like there's nothing else with actually realistic physics and I don't want to support EA by buying WRC after the disasterous launch and all the predatory monetization the company is known for (pre-order bonuses, cosmetics tied to paying real money IN A RACING GAME, battle pass etc).

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@5JSX5 BeamNG and Assetto Corsa has been looking quite good for rallying recently too. If you really need the graphics and sound to enjoy rallying you can check those out too.

[@Cevap05]

Triple monitor support mod?

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

www.overtake.gg/threads/wrc-generations-dlss-and-triple-screen.264402/

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Not a mod but better than nothing

[@jkwanness]

generations with mods are best on wheel and wrc1 or 2 cars... stages are really top notch.. im starting to like ea wrc on controller and getting used to the grips on gravel and dirt.. tarmac sucks and overall stages like you said is blend.. havent tried the new dlcs but i just bought them so that rally games dont die in general rbr has been getting less love from me because am tired sometimes have you tried assetto corsa rally? heard its good now with surfacefx.. good thing is we can always have all the games and play them all 😂

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@jkwanness nope not yet, I've been very busy recently, might try it in the future.

[@sportschool3537]

@@G.Wee_Rallying I am now playing WRC Generations with the mod from Riky and it's absolutely amazing... AND more realistic than RBR because RBR is very very old and it's FFB is dogshit for today's standards... it gives me no info about where the edge of my tyres grip is so I end up losing all grip out of nowhere without any indication and just wondering "what did I do wrong?"... that's NOT realistic... that's a placebo effect of looking very realistic but because the game doesn't have the tools to actually BE realistic you just learn to drive without crashing by trial and error instead of feeling... I hated RBR because half the time I couldn't tell why I lost the car and what my mistake was. RBR is hailed by everyone as the most realistic but it's not... you learn by learning the inputs, the best comparison for me is learning to play Street Fighter. Street Fighter is BY FAR the hardest fighting game and the ones that have the most skill always win, you can't button mash at all, so you learn the inputs by practicing for hours and hours until you are fluid. RBR is exactly like this. You learn how much wheel rotation to apply by trial and error but without any info by the FFB since the FFB only gives you info from the weight of the car but not the tyres cause it's very old. That's not how driving works... in driving you learn by trial and error but based on the feedback of the car, not like a video game... so RBR is NOT realistic, it's a placebo effect. WRC Generations with the mod is actually really REALLY realistic, the cars behave exactly as they should be and the tweaked FFB is amazing in giving you all the info you need to be fast while also knowing that one mistake will send you spinning or out of control straight to a tree. And in WRC Generations when I make I mistake I can instantly say "Ok, I used a bit too much throttle there" or "I was too aggressive on the wheel, need to dial it down a bit" because the FFB lets me know what the fuck I did wrong...

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@sportschool3537 IDK man, RBR's force feedback feels right to me, I could feel the tyres flex to its limits on tarmac, the wheels going over every bump, the car's roll loading the wheels giving them more grip. In fact I find RBR's FFB more detailed and realistic than WRC Generations because WRC G uses a lot of vibrations and augmented effects to communicate information that RBR communicates with simply force feedback. Maybe that's what you meant by the force feedback being better in WRC Generations. WRC G might make it easier for you to know more about whats happening with the car through the vibration but it's definitely less realistic, steering wheels don't vibrate like crazy when you lose grip. It gets lighter from the lack of resistance from the tyres losing traction. RBR is also the only game I know where the tyre stretch affects the wheel position. Try starting a stage (preferably tarmac), while stationary, turn the wheel, then let go, watch the wheel return slightly from the tyre un-stretching itself. Anyway what wheel are you using? I use a Thrustmaster T300 RS GT and it feels right to me. You are literally the first person I ever heard saying that Kylotonn's games have better FFB than RBR. I've heard complaints about the weird vibrations in RBR but not the rest of the FFB. Maybe try the vanilla RBR first, or other racing games like assetto corsa it might help you to understand RBR's FFB. And also no way RBR looks more realistic than WRC G, RBR is freaking 2 decades old, everything looks so washed out and blurry. Maybe you are the one getting placebo bro haha Jokes aside, WRC Generations may be fun, satisfying and has physics more recreated than simulated compared to EA WRC but I doubt its force feedback is more realistic than RBR. Do let me know if you think I misunderstood what you meant by WRC G's FFB being better than RBR's.

[@sportschool3537]

@@G.Wee_Rallying I use a CSL DD 8Nm direct drive and I can't feel ANYTHING from the tyres on RBR... not strong or weak... NOTHING... if I hit the break to the floor on purpose to lock up the breaks I literally feel like the car is floating on ice... it's horrible... there is nothing beneath the car to simulate a rough gravel terrain... it's all super artificial... when you lock up the breaks of a rally car on gravel you don't float away, there is rough terrain beneath you and RBR doesn't simulate any of that. The original FFB of Generations isn't great... the tweaked one feels very much better by Riky Sim's... Sorry but in my direct drive wheel the FFB of RBR feels like everything else is dead except for the car's weight shifting and the self alignment of the wheel... but no tyres, no traction, no wheels spinning, nothing... everything else is super dead and gives me nothing. I doubt it's due to my fault since I installed the game exactly as Simrallytans says to do so... and my wheelbase works amazing on every other game. Sorry but if I push the throttle to the floor in a turn I will spin but it will feel like I'm spinning on ice... no traction, no resistance from the gravelly soil... nothing... Which to me shows that RBR fanbois are overrating this game A LOT...

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

​@@sportschool3537 okay, interesting, I think I see your point, the FFB forces in RBR might feel right but you don't feel the vibration from the rough surfaces which you use to understand the grip of the car. This also makes the gravel feel fake because it feels smooth am I right? Well I hope you understand that a lot of these sensations you get from the wheel are artificial effects added on to the force feedback. Don't believe me? Try WRC 9, then WRC 10 or WRC G. You will realise that the gravel feel when driving straight on WRC 9 is more realistic. You feel every bump and the roughness of the gravel. But guess what? The gravel in the game is actually smoother and less bumpy than what you feel. The roughness you see in game is made using a parallax trick called bump mapping. A flat texture made to look rough. Additionally the car does not even interact with the small stones near the edges of the road. The tyre just goes straight through them. So think about why if feels bumpy and how this realism was achieved. In RBR, many of the stages have a very smooth surface on gravel. The only one I can think of with actual rough gravel is Estrada De Banana. Even Codemasters's games have very smooth gravel but it somehow feels rough. Let's not talk about rally, you think you really feel the roughness of the kerbs in Assetto Corsa? Open content manager > settings > controls > force feedback. You will see a section called effects and see what's the first effect there? Kerb effect! Turn all the effects to 0 and see how it feels. That is the pure force feedback, no additional effects. Back to rally and the FFB, if the ground is actually smooth, shouldn't that be what you are feeling in the FFB? What I'm trying to say here is yes the FFB in other games may feel more believable, but at what cost? Yes RBR is an old game, that's why it does not have any of these effects. But that also means what you are feeling is raw FFB from the wheels, tyres and suspension. It does not feel as "realistic" as other games because it doesnt lie to you. It's ok if you find WRC G more realistic. At the end of the day it's what feels realistic and not what is actually happening. I understand where you are coming from but I feel that you misunderstand the FFB in RBR. I'm sorry, when it comes to raw, no-effects FFB, RBR is more detailed than the other rally games out there. The FFB settings in RBR only has 1 slider for a reason. If you are comparing effects then yes RBR is shit because it does not have any. But in terms of pure FFB, calling it dogshit is just unfair.

[@jamessamyia]

Honestly the best rally game to play RIGHT NOW is DiRT Rally 2.0

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@jamessamyia Well it's definitely the best looking and sounding.

[@Pianist7137Gaming]

bro from sg? 😄

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Yup, where else? Haha

[@Pianist7137Gaming]

@@G.Wee_Rallying good to see follow sg player! you got a discord or anything? currently don't have any friends who play rally🥲

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@Pianist7137Gaming Yup, we have a discord here discord.gg/sWx9j25q, you can find a few sim rally drivers there. Do join quick, this link expires in 7 days.

[@Pianist7137Gaming]

@@G.Wee_Rallying cool thanks! joined!

[@od13166]

Even imo KT WRCs best bet was 8 they went similar to DR1s Grip but better tarmac Which where EA WRC did went Even RBRs NGP they increase grip per version Aince 9 they reduce it point where becoming DR2.0 9 or 10 was acceptable maybe excuse for same game but different felt excuse didnt liked much in Generations And much worst factor of KT Racing WRC is Classics they are awful RWD and FWD cars acts like 4wd car with torque bias set to rear RWD car felt way stable and FWD cars felt rear actually has force. In fact theres god damn Torque Bias Setting in setup menu and tunning do helps cars handle (Its been removed when jimmy Broadbent made video but you only lose setup RWD/FWD behavior is lazy 4WD edit) I know Its Better in EA WRC since previous DR2.0 package was Classics but not only that classics lists are way better having Super 1600/2000 morenkit cars previous Year Junior WRC and RWD/FWD felt like should been

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

I see I see, I personally feel like they all felt way too fast except WRC Generations which this mod fixes. WRC 8 had so much grip it was like driving on tracks, you slide too little, in WRC 9 you could slide a lot more but it was still way too fast, the cars felt like RC Cars (too light and responsive), in WRC 10 it was a lot better, you had to control the throttle when exiting hairpins on tarmac to reduce wheel spin but it was still a little too fast compared to real life. WRC Generations then felt way too sluggish, especially the tarmac. And yes the fake RWD was quite disappointing to see too. I remember at one point they had front differentials on RWD cars which I added some lock to, making them act like 4WD cars to gain an advantage in online races.

[@od13166]

@@G.Wee_Rallying KT WRC went reducing grip per game But popular RBR physics mod NGP they went backward per version increasinng grip make the car acts like car instead making the car hard to drive

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@od13166 Yup, noticed that too. NGP 5 was just stupidly slippery. It's a lot better now, grip wise I find NGP 7 ok, I've made videos comparing RBR to real life and RBR is somehow still faster than real life, I had to make the stages wetter or use the wrong tyres to come closer to the real life timings, so the grip could be a little too much but I feel that the cars still respond a little too reluctantly to steering input. Then again I'm not a real rally driver yet so I just got to trust Workerbee's data and research.

[@IamfoxesK]

Also so this video is basically praising wrcg ehich is garbage

[@RBRfun]

Bored of RBR? It doesn't seem possible, with almost 500 stages and 98 cars and many online championships running every day of the year. Best not to waste time and concentrate on learning how to drive better on RBR-RSF.

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Well, like I said, some people might want to have fun instead of doing difficult things. This video just offers them an option. For me, I'd still keep trying and inevitably die on the 2nd last stage in Sim Rally Masters.

[@RBRfun]

@@G.Wee_Rallying you just need more training and definitely start with a rally less demanding then SRM

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@RBRfun how long have u been playing RBR?

[@RBRfun]

@@G.Wee_Rallying some years. I had actually played with it quite a bit when it was new, but I had put it aside in preference to GPL. A few years ago I discovered the RSF mod of RBR which is so good that I haven't played anything else since.

[@paperplane1091]

​@@G.Wee_Rallyingno offense, but explaining other rally games to diehard RBR fan is useless. They'll somehow come up with "no way, rbr has the best physics. You just have to practice more. End of discussion". Oh man, they just don't understand that some people just want to enjoy to play rally games, no need super difficult physics or installing tons of mods or custom content. And it's even more annoying if the person who says that has never driven a rally car.

[@mesasartworks]

WRC Gen is crap with or without mods

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Yes, in many ways it is, but there are reasons to like it too. Anyways, I appreciate your dedication in making skins, I've come across your name, not sure from RBR or DR2 but thanks for your contributions! Honoured to have you watch my video.

[@mesasartworks]

@@G.Wee_Rallying I respect your opinion and I accept it, I just wanted to highlight that there are basic things are wrong in the game, which unfortunately cannot be compensated with mods, however the result somehow can be bettter

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

@@mesasartworks ya I understand, no hard feelings. Which one of the basic 'wrongs' sticks out to u the most? For me it was the overexaggerated grip loss and forgiving damage. I tend look pass the other issues. What about you?

[@racinghankered]

hello bossku

[@G.Wee_Rallying]

Hello bang