Titanic Conspiracy: The Full Truth | Part Two

In the 1990s a new and explosive theory emerged, championed by an authour and enthusiast from England. Robin Gardiner proposed that Titanic never really sank at all; that in April 1912 it was actually the ship's sister, Olympic, that sank as part of a plot to cash in on insurance for the beleaguered owner of the liners, the White Star Line. Flash forward to today and the theory has picked up speed in recent years in online forums and social media; so what is the truth? What actually happened in 1911 and 1912? In this two part series we'll examine the facts as they stand; the photo record and plans to establish what happened to Olympic. We'll speak with renown naval architect and engineer Dr Stephen Payne, designer of many passenger ships, notably the Queen Mary 2. We'll try to set the record straight on Gardiner's theory and reveal the truth behind the great Titanic conspiracy theory; the greatest fraud in modern historiography.
LINK TO PART ONE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opzXnaiQnKp0rKOcttps://y...
Part 2 examines the differences between Olympic and the actual act of swapping the two ships at Belfast.
With very special thanks to Stephen Payne, Bruce Beveridge and Mark Chirnside.
Oceanliner Designs explores the design, construction, engineering and operation of history’s greatest vessels- from Titanic to Queen Mary and from the Empress of Ireland to the Lusitania. Join maritime researcher and illustrator Michael Brady as he tells the stories behind some of history's most famous ocean liners and machines!
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0:00 Intro
01:39 Major Differences Between Titanic and Olympic
6:48 Naval Architect Stephen Payne on Swapping the Ships
8:15 Minor Differences Between Titanic and Olympic
10:39 Belfast's 15,000 Workers
13:26 Naval Architect Stephen Payne on Building Ships
15:23 The Plan to Sink Titanic
23:25 The Wreck
27:46 The True Fraud

[@OceanlinerDesigns]

LINK TO PART ONE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opzXnaiQnKp0rKM If you would like to know more about the Olympic-Titanic switch story and the evidence against it, I highly recommend this book! 'Titanic or Olympic; Which Ship Sank?' by Steve Hall, Bruce Beveridge, Scott Andrews, Daniel Klistorner and Art Braunschweiger www.amazon.com.au/Titanic-Olympic-STEVE-HALL/dp/0752461583

[@Britishbolls]

Im The 2nd Like

[@Tantalis77]

thanks to you and any one else in your team mike brady, you consistently put out some of the highest quality educational content out there on youtube. Your work is greatly appreciated and together we all get inspired by the result.

[@sallarizza645]

I watch a complete conspiracy documentary on the switch theory, i don't know if I remember correctly but the only thing I've seen that proved the entire theory wrong were the propellors and the numbers on them, I recall them showing the numbers 401 on the propellors which would have been Titanic's props.... But I could have sworn Olympic took Titanic's props after the accident with the Hawke

[@ericstuglik7022]

Thank you for putting so much effort and so much care into dispelling these God awful theories and educating people on these magnificent ships. Those of us who truly appreciate these ships appreciate you as well.

[@raec7080]

I love your ww1 hmt Britannic model and I just cant find on any website

[@TheMangyAngel]

Anyone who thinks tens of thousands of people could be threatened and/or bribed into keeping a secret this big has never managed a project. Keeping four people on task and quiet is damn near impossible, nevermind thirty thousand.

[@HyperVegitoDBZ]

2020 disagrees.

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

​@@HyperVegitoDBZyour comment is"safe and effective" LOL

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

​@@HyperVegitoDBZmaybe people were back in 1912 gave no concern for their health and wellbeing just as in 2021........ just so long as they could go on holiday

[@mbryson2899]

​@@HyperVegitoDBZ??? In what way does 2020 disagree?

[@stevenschnepp576]

​@@HyperVegitoDBZ You must be from a different timeline. In ours, Harambe was killed, the moon landing was in 1969, and 2020 was rife with noncompliance and controversy with a side order of a Summer of Love that half the country called out for being based in bullshit.

[@davymckeown4577]

My maternal grandfather hated Harland & Wolf, he had good reason to. After losing his lower leg at the Somme, he returned to Belfast and because he still had the knee-joint his mobility was relatively good. In fact only those who knew him were aware of his disability. He found work in the Yard in 1918 as a stager (they were the men who erected the scaffolding upon which the riveters and others worked), however when the management found out about his missing leg he was sacked. There were many other disgruntled former workers who would have been whistle-blowers without regard to the consequences. In 1912 Ireland was in the midst of the "Home-rule crisis" and many Roman catholic workers were forced to leave the Yard and this con-man author (I use the term loosely) expects us to believe that they all remained silent? Bollocks.

[@ayalightfire4030]

I think you can call him an author in the strictest sense of the word.... His work is purely fictional, but he was an author :/ I just wish he had been able to see himself as a writer of fictional stories.

[@wazzazone]

It is indeed sad, that this author chose to sully the names of Andrews and Ismay, as well as many others.

[@dfuher968]

Most of the myths about Titanic and the sinking were pure inventions of the scandal press at the time to sell papers, and ofc W. R. Hearst and his nasty, vindictive streak. Even then there was that author, conspiracists today claim predicted the sinking, coz he wrote a book about it years earlier, ignoring that the only thing in common between his book and the sinking was, that a huge ship struck an iceberg and sank. But after the sinking he and his publisher immidiately saw a chance to make money off it, so he rewrote the book based on the Titanic, they changed the title, and then they published it as a reprint, claiming it to have predicted it all. Nothing but filthy grifters. And unfortunately, there are still loads of such grifters today, both in book form and here on KZbin. Why bother with facts, when u can get a lot of clicks/sell a lot of books with a sensationalist conspiracy "proven". I suspect the switch conspiracy is among them. There are a few true believers among the promotors of various conspiracies, who are just blinkered, but they are few and far between. Grifters are a dime a dozen.

[@stuartd9741]

If the switch theory is false how did that book EVER get published? .. Even with a lack of the information we know today. someone's would've gone out on a limb to publish the riddle of the titanic....

[@davymckeown4577]

@@stuartd9741 Unscrupulous publishers are in the business of making money, if a book will sell they will print it regardless of the untruths contained therein. Von Daniken's "Chariots of the gods" is a well known example from the same era. Not everything you read is genuine, try critical thinking, it can save you a lot of embarrassment.

[@Starshipsforever]

One of Gardiner's claims is that they had 15,000 workers to pull off the switch in such a short span of time. This fails on inspection because the Olympic-class ships weren't the only vessels being built during this time. Other companies, as well as other White Star Line ships were being built, modified, overhauled, repaired, ect. Pulling all those men off those other projects would've raised a lot of eyebrows as those competitor companies would've been asking why their paid for work wasn't getting done for 6-7 weeks!

[@danijelujcic8644]

They were busy indeed - which is why Britannic's hull number was 433, not 402.

[@culture-nature-mobility7867]

15,000 potential witnesses.

[@FANGMESSICHOSEN]

Is this true?

[@expattaffy1954]

When we have people like you deliberately telling lies , that can only mean one thing IF THERE WAS NO PLOT TO SWAP THE SHIPS THEN THERE WOULD BE NO DELIBERATE LIES Gardner never stated they used 15,000 workers to swap the ships. As the management stated, he had 100 who could do the job for 100 quid each

[@expattaffy1954]

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[@Martin48964]

Thank you Mike for taking the time to disprove the ludicrous story of switching Olympic and Titanic. It is an insult to us Titanic enthusiasts that this story is out there.

[@nottmjas]

And I think that Mike is being generous to Gardiner; he was either deluded in believing his own bullshit or was actively pursuing this fraud for his own benefit.

[@thomasackerman5399]

@@nottmjas Not entirely improbable it's both. At the end of the original book he wrote, he admits that the switch wasn't possible. But once it made money and gullible types actually believed in it, he realized he could make money off this, so he had no incentive to stop.

[@3UZFE]

It's a shame when the real history is so much more interesting. We don't need nonsense out there diluting the airwaves.

[@expattaffy1954]

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[@fyrequeene]

Amen!!

[@Sulfuron41]

You've done the Lord's work here. To me, the lengths this theory went and how far it was taken is utterly despicable. To accuse all those workers, all those passengers, the crew and so forth... It's just amazingly terrible... Any chance you might be able to tell us a more in-depth story of Titanic's first brush with disaster in her near collision with SS New York? I'd love to hear more about that!

[@PointNemo9]

The passengers aren't being accused of anything

[@PatrickBaptist]

The Lord's work¿ I didn't hear him not one time glorify Jesus Christ.

[@fargosnow994]

As a retired merchant mariner and retired marine surveyor I have been waiting for nearly two episodes for you to mention the hull number. Just like a pesky VIN number it would trip up a fraudster. Fire is so much better. Having had a company threaten me and attempting to bribe me, I know that there is a type of person who will flush their career rather than buckle under that sort of pressure. Out of all those thousands of people who could have seen what was going on in plain sight there had to be at least a few hundred who were like me.

[@speed150mph]

Not only that, engineers and crews often know more about their ships than anyone. You mean to say that there wouldn’t be a ships engineer working in olympics engine room in the next 2 decades that didn’t say “wait a minute”. Nor anyone in the crews and yard workers during the ships various refits over her career. Forget the initial switch, as long as “Olympic” stayed afloat, there would be evidence of a switch and more people that would need to be silenced. White star would have been bankrupted by the sheer amount of bribery. And let’s face it, they threaten to fire an experienced mariner for not keeping the secret, I’d be knocking on Cunards door saying “if you give me a job, I’ll give you dirt on your biggest competitor that would put them out of business.”

[@nottmjas]

At the session of the Post Office / Horizon scandal enquiry held two days ago, it emerged that the leading general counsel at the Post Office at the time refused to act unprofessionally and was accused of being “more loyal to her professional conduct requirements and put her integrity as a lawyer above the interests of the business”. Anyone holding membership of a professional institution should be prepared to walk away from a situation where their professional conduct could be bought into question, rather than risk losing their professional qualifications. She did, you did and I hope to God I would as well.

[@IndianaDel1]

My Great Grandfather was the Engineer responsible for the installation of Titanic's Parsons Turbine, as well at the return of Olympic to civil use after WWI. He retired back to his home city of Nottingham and he never mentioned this big switch to anyone that I know in the family. Yet he DID speak about Titanic, HMS Belfast and other matters devolving from his career.

[@andiholman2543]

The frustration has always been that no matter how much hard fact you throw at people, they still refute the evidence. Some cite Gardners book, some the intentionally misleading documentary but more alarmingly most can’t offer a reason why they believe it. This video has needed to be out there for decades! Great watch.

[@redshirt5126]

Cults in a nutshell

[@earlatkins9559]

if they could build a whole new bow for a ship, the hole in the side of Olympic would have been an "easy" job for them to repair..

[@Mick_92]

Some people don't realize just how versatile of a material steel is. It can be cut, ground, welded, drilled, riveted, bolted, screwed, etc almost endlessly, with little effect to its structural strength if done right. And if protected from the elements and from forces beyond its design specifications it can last pretty much for ever. A repair job like the one needed by Olympic would have been absolutely trivial for a massive shipyard full of expert steelworkers and specialized equipment.

[@expattaffy1954]

ha according to you, Someone who was not born at the time and couldn't make a toy paddleboat from an empty matchbox, But you claim to know more about the ship than the engineers who designed ana constructed it

[@earlatkins9559]

@@expattaffy1954 In my statement i was referring to the new bow added to the Suevic, after it had run aground, and was cut in half to save the stern. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Suevic

[@Mick_92]

@@expattaffy1954 Nice ad-hominem argument you got there, pal. First, when someone was born is completely irrelevant. That has never been an impediment to be knowledgeable about topics related to past times, and if it was, then what would the point of this discussion even be? (let alone of discussing or studying much, much more distant eras). And to top it out, you sprinkle it with some imaginary ignorance/incompetence you attribute to the other person with no basis whatsoever. Let's see if YOU know more about this ship than its engineers since apparently, according to you, that's a requirement to be the holder of the truth.

[@expattaffy1954]

Again, someone who was not even born at the time, claiming to know more about the construction of the ship than the engineers who designed and built her

[@davidaikman1920]

The very idea that a few extra dollars would keep the worker's mouths shut, is just demeaning to their hard work and dedication. Does he honestly think that 20 years later, the workers would say: "Well, I got 5-10 extra pounds 20 years ago to keep my mouth shut, which has long since been spent, so yeah, I'll still honour my promise and keep it a secret, with no further incentive." in the words of my Cockney friends: "Not BLOODY likely!"

[@kingofthings7929]

Especially when said bribe is to cover up something about the most famous ship in history. And, as such, would be worth a shit load of money to sell to a paper or, later on, radio or TV station.

[@KS-PNW]

Yeah the idea that NONE of the thousands of workers involved would ever say something, even on their deathbeds is just patently ridiculous. Even if you think people would have kept quiet after the initial sinking there's no way that no one has a crisis of consciousness and spills the beans.

[@jennierayner2152]

not to mention that this whole scheme was contingent on their being no loss of life, and you would assume that this is what workers would have been told. "don't worry lads, we're going to sink the ship, but everyone on board will be evacuated first." and then you find out that over 1,500 people have died, included almost 700 crew. the outrage alone would make me sing like a canary.

[@cunard61]

Think also about the guarantee group, made up entirely of workers from the shipyard itself, knowing that the ship they were sailing on was to be intentionally sunk. It all requires a level of stupidity that is beyond belief.

[@Wintermute909]

Yeah Gardner sounds so incredibly naive. I love how Gardner is claiming that no one would dream of blabbing to the media for money or for fame.....while he is literally spending years prattling to the media for both money & fame!

[@porkish682]

so i have a co-worker who believes that the switch theory is true, but he also believes that they also changed every piece of the ship too make it "look how titanic should look", which really just disproves himself

[@nickwilliams6621]

Show them this picture. It's the 'T' on Titanic's nameplate underwater. i.ytimg.com/vi/FbsR2rsgygY/maxresdefault.jpg

[@Gioizout24]

Lol

[@The_Robbing_Narrator]

Lol why would White Star Line even go through the process of switching them AND change their appearances? At that point just patch up Olympic instead of going the extra mile.

[@robertlangmuir86]

Dont start a sentence with the word "so".

[@testpilotian3188]

Surely if the “switch” theory held any merit, it would just be easier to change the written records and drawings to support it, rather than physically changing parts on ships?

[@drockjr]

I love how Mike is leaning fully into Titanic. Dude's got bills to pay. I'm here for every second of his lovely videos.

[@ryanthoene7149]

It's titanic month. He'll be back to his normal content. As much as I love the titanic videos.

[@jayive34]

It's April. It's Titanic month. Every April, I rewatch the film, or A Night to Remember or various documentaries about the ship.

[@davidhusband5022]

instal an ad blocker and you wont see ads.

[@expattaffy1954]

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[@thesjq1858]

I agree that one of the most awful problems with this theory is that thousands of people who took real pride and ownership in their work are accused of being complicit in the deaths of so many, as well as the trauma of all those who survived. It’s one thing to think up a conspiracy or become invested in one, but to actually commit that to print is horrendous. Because of the scandalous nature of the theory it has become well known by the majority, but those of us with an interest are the few and the facts aren’t as exciting, which is why the theory prevails even now. Another great and informative video by Oceanliner Designs. As ever, I really enjoyed listening to Dr Stephen Payne and the way he describes the relationship and love between architect and their ship. I imagine Andrews was very much the same.

[@phoenixblue-koszalka1518]

I don't know which is wilder: The fact that this theory exists, or the fact that some people actually believe it.

[@andrewrife6253]

The biggest undertaking would have been convincing thousands of irish shipyard workers to not talk about this happening. Every piece of stationary, written material, and every other item with the name of the ship would have to be swapped. Someone would have found something marked Olympic and said something.

[@dodgeramsport01]

The stationary, written material, had white star on it not the ships name, it was all white star standard issue! As far as convincing thousands of irish shipyard workers to not talk about this happening this is also BS as why you folks who say this think that the man making the door knob, or the fixture or the cabinets etc, has to know that a switch is taking place?

[@kylie-gracewagner2790]

I'm a 28yo fashionista girl with very little interest in the Titanic & other shipping stuff... However, I Love the way you tell the stories so much I've actually found myself looking forward to your releases. Thank you for your hard work!

[@davidhusband5022]

i have very little interest in what you just said.

[@The_Robbing_Narrator]

It pains me that people still believe the switch theory (which is quite an impossibility) and still believe bankers had something to do with the sinking aswell.

[@MrGoesBoom]

we live in a world with flat earthers, so people still believing the switch theory isn't that surprising sadly

[@CuratorOfChaosKnightDesires]

Agreed. I was trolled by the producers of one of the conspiracy switching videos on KZbin several years ago. The evidence I presented against the producers claims was met by me being targeted by 100’s of trolls and the producers. I believe that video no longer exists, but the conspiracy lives on. Sad.

[@r.k2865]

It doesn't pain me but it makes me angry how many people are still that ignorant to believe this shit

[@PeadarBoc]

So, in your world, conspiracies don't exist, at all?

[@The_Robbing_Narrator]

@@PeadarBoc Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that these theories have been disproven multiple times and have several holes in them. I'm just annoyed how anyone could think this tragedy was influenced by anything other than no binoculars, an ice field, and a pitch black night.

[@ameisee4]

Hi Mike Have you considered making a video about stowaway passengers on oceanliners? I think that might be an interesting topic.

[@darthbluecat0478]

Hope this gets seen! I agree!

[@ijnfleetadmiral]

I know there was one guy on a French liner who simply did it for the hell of it. Always nicely dressed and the life of the party. He was on the 1912 France once when the Chief Purser asked him what cabin he was staying in. The guy gave the Purser a movie star smile, said, "The entire ship is my cabin!" and waltzed down the Grand Staircase to dinner in the 1st Class Dining Saloon.

[@JWRogersPS]

I recall reading that Gardner DID admit to making the whole thing up to sell a book shortly before he died.

[@amr_12_]

Such a despicable human

[@Sketchman911]

I imagine Mike was saying to legally cover his ass incase Gardner's estates or whomever tried to sue him for defamation. Or maybe he said what he said because he genuinely likes to believe in the good of people But I am under no such obligation however. I 100% Believe in no uncertain terms that Richard Gardner knew that his theory was bullshit, and didn't care because he could sell some books. It is usually the case with crackpot conspiracies like this. We need look no further than the online political sphere where people like Alex Jones and Ben Shapiro knowingly spread malicious disinformation to make a quick buck irregardless of whom they hurt, all that matters is low-information people will lap up what they spew and do no further research. It's the tried and true method for the conspiracy theory circut

[@SMarie-zk9oj]

@@amr_12_ Atleast he told the truth in the end, some people died revered as heroes only for their horrific actions to be revealed so at least gardner admitted to lying

[@expattaffy1954]

That is total nonsense, Why would he discredit the book ?

[@JWRogersPS]

@@expattaffy1954 Because he decided to come clean?

[@lotus5770]

The switch theory has always puzzled me. Olympic was less than a year old by that point, why intentionally sink a perfectly new ship? Let's not forget that this is White Star Line and Harland & Wolff, the same people who salvaged the SS Suevic and built her an entirely new bow after she lost hers during a grounding. Why would they declare Olympic a total loss when they managed to save Suevic (who continued to serve until her scuttling during WWII)? Not to mention that planning a collision with some random iceberg is impossible, how would WSL know an iceberg would be there? It's just not possible. Plus, Andrews, Ismay, etc. would have never agreed. Andrews is not that type of person and Ismay would never agree sinking something he was proud of, all because her sister had a minor incident with Hawke. There are so many holes that I'm surprised that people believe it.

[@CJODell12]

Some people devote their entire lives and their whole identity to believing and passing conspiracy theories as undisputed fact.

[@Hirundo-demersalis]

Not to mention that it directly implies they willingly endangered and killed hundreds of other passengers and crew members, who had NOTHING to do with the supposed scheme to dispose of J.P. Morgan's rivals or whatever the theory is. Like even considering the unrestrained and cutthroat capitalism of the era, it's doubtful that they'd accept hundreds of deaths as collateral damage for an assassination of a few men.

[@andymac4883]

To give the theory the least bit of undeserved defence, it at least doesn't claim that Titanic's _actual_ sinking went down as planned. As Mike states in the video, she was supposed to sink in a controlled manner with everybody getting off alive. Hitting an iceberg (or, according to Gardner, the rescue ship) was an accident. That, of course, doesn't change the fact that it's all rubbish regardless. There are so many other reasons to write the switch theory off.

[@PointNemo9]

Insurance fraud. If they knew that the cost to repair was significant, they wouldn't have to pay the cost to repair if the ship sunk and got a payout for the value of an undamaged ship.

[@forevercomputing]

Fire in the hold, use lifeboats to transfer to a nearby ship. Bye bye ship, everyone lives. The Olympic would have been crippling to repair and insurance deemed the fault to be with white star. Paying for someone else's damage and losing profit as a result. Any further claims would have been reduced compared to a new ship. But this is only what other videos have said. I can't find all of this information and haven't really looked.

[@gdasailor4634]

Another 50 year Naval Architect here. Having started my career as a Shipwright apprentice and worked all the way through the ranks to senior management roles, I feel justified in rejecting Mr. Gardener's "theory" out of hand - his proposals is clearly impossible! I commented on part I and will add a supplemental here. Mr. Gardener has impuned the reputation of many honorable men. For example, it is impossible to accept that the many professional inspectors from the Board of Trade, LLoyds, the owners' representatives and the shipyard's own inspection staff, who would have been required to reproduce thousands of documents in order to cover the fraud, would have had the time and then agreed to risk their honour and careers to comply with such a proposal. Further, Captain Smith and all of his officers must also have been complacent. Not to mention the 15,000 general shipyard workers and others, as you noted. This is a conspiracy theory rivalling the (non) moon landings and the flat Earth! Thank you for taking the time to debunk Mr. Gardener.

[@thoughtful_criticiser]

Having signed the Official Secrets Act as soon as you said that the crew were read it, i knew it was fake. Gardner would have still sold his books if he had said it was fiction.

[@astrinymris9953]

Exactly! Publish it as a what-if novel; people would have eaten it up, the same way they love anything Titanic-related. Well... maybe. You do have to have some baseline writing ability to make a sellable book. And the plot is objectively ridiculous, something Titanic scholars would immediately point out. Still, as pure fiction it wouldn't matter so much.

[@Wintermute909]

One of my favourite quotes from Sir Humphrey in 'Yes Minister': "Oh come now Minister! The Official Secrets Act is not there to protect secrets....it's there to protect officials!"

[@jaycgeo]

Mike, Olympic received her two additional forecastle portside portholes in fall 1911 around the same time as Titanic. She didn't receive it during the 1913 refit. They're photos dated January and March 1912 of Olympic. In the January photo, Olympic is seen in Southampton with a 16 portholes count. The March 7th photo shows Olympic in Belfast with a 16 portholes count. We know they're dated in early 1912 because of the additional fan ventilator that was installed above the bridge on the starboard side. The fan ventilator isn't seen in a March 2nd photo but is later seen in a March 6th photo. In the January photo, the fan ventilator isn't seen so we know that photo is dated before March 1912 as in the photo, the 16 portholes count is seen as well. So the additional portholes on Olympic's portside was installed in fall 1911.

[@OceanlinerDesigns]

Oh nice one, thanks! I always thought it was in 1913. Yet another nail in the switch coffin 😂

[@Embracing01]

I think the extra two portholes were added either just before or during the time Olympic was in Belfast for repairs in March 1912; photos taken of the portside from Victoria park show the extra two, also, the lifeboat gunwhales appear to have been painted brown before the Hawke collision as photos showing the hole you can see the lifeboats gunwhales are now brown. Yes I think the original fitted vent was replaced when Olympic was brought into Beflast, she left on 7th or 8th March with a swan necked type vent which was the same as the one fitted to Titanic.

[@daleferrier3050]

Apart from being genuinely crazy, this conspiracy is an affront to Titanic’s builders, crew, victims, and even the survivors of that terrible night. I’m glad it was so comprehensively and utterly debunked by this very well made video.

[@Dan_Gyros]

My favorite Titanic conspiracy theory is that it sank because of the amount of time travelers on board at that moment trying to save it

[@backonpro5679]

LMAO that’s a good one

[@donallan6396]

Just try to explain that telephone booth that mysteriously disappeared just before Titanic hit the iceburg. And Captain Smith was looking for the Doctor on the bridge.

[@backonpro5679]

@@donallan6396 the car on titanic was a deloreon LMAO

[@Brock_Landers]

Also, there were many passenger quotes saying about how everything was new and Titanic was bright and freshly painted, while Olympic was almost a year old at that point, so there would have been entirely too many changes to implement onto a year old liner at that point to make it appear new when all of the carpeting, the linoleum, the paint, the extra first class suites on B Deck with private promenades, the deck planking, everything. There were differences between the crew spaces on Olympic and Titanic as well that the crew would've never kept quiet for years and years. Someone would've blown the whistle eventually and others would've joined in time. There's no possible way that EVERYONE would've kept quiet for all time with a story like that. Especially with the riots and wars that were fought between Catholics and Prostestants over the many many years. Someone (if not many surviving shipyard workers) would've spilled the beans to the media.

[@chriskleven5441]

Sometimes I wish you weren't so nice. That Robin Gardiner guy definitely deserved harsher words. Thank you for another great video. As always, just when I think I've heard all there is to know about Titanic, you bring to my attention something new.

[@TyFree1993]

I just learned a new word from this video: "allision". Never knew that was the more accurate word for when the Titanic struck the berg. Huh. The more you know. Cheers, Mike!

[@sct913]

The NTSB uses the term in relevant marine accident/investigation reports.

[@Fairyfink]

Great video. Rational, evidence-based and well presented. Thanks so much for being a voice of reason against the ever growing ranks of conspiracy theorists.

[@engste678]

Co-incidence theorists piss me off ! You'll be telling me they landed on the moon next! Madness.

[@Uncle_Roadkill]

Eyyyyy, it's our friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs!

[@chgr7025]

No, he's MY friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs!

[@tashatsu_vachel4477]

Had 'Paddy the Pig' really been onboard Titanic, she would have been saved, as they could have used his ears to extend at least two bulkheads as needed!

[@tashatsu_vachel4477]

@@davidhusband5022 - The Titanic

[@theminingassassin16]

I can understand how it feels to be proud of something you created after putting your heart and soul into it. I recently published a book, and holding a physical copy of it in my hands was enough to bring tears of joy to my eyes. I can imagine that was how Thomas Andrews felt when he saw the Titanic upon her completion.

[@mellchiril]

No matter how many little truthful details are sprinkled into this conspiracy I still can't get myself to believe that the White Star Line would've done this. I said it on part one, and I'll say it again: I really don't think they would damage their reputation to such an extend, risking people's lives, the lives of noteable first class passengers, just for insurance money. Even if they'd planned on getting all the crew off the ship the risk would've been too great. Not to mention there weren't enough lifeboats to pull this off to begin with. Had there been enough lifeboats it probably still wouldn't have been enough to rescue everyone on board considering the speed at which Titanic sank. I honestly can't imagine a company willingly damaging their reputation like that just to cash in on insurance money. Their future would've been quite bleak, even if everyone had survived. It's an intriguing theory, and I commend the writer of the book for coming up with it, but darn, that would've been one heck of a magic trick. Also I really can't imagine the White Star Line to have enough of an influence to keep basically the entirity of Belfast silent even with Harland and Wolff employing about a 5th of the population in its shipyard. I will admit, saying that the conspiracy of the Earth being flat is more believable than the Olympic/Titanic switch might let conspicary theorists go 'oh, so completely possible, then.'

[@TaramiBedona]

The problem with conspiracies of this kind is that they require ever larger conspiracies to explain the gaps. WSL's competitors (who normally kept a close eye on WSL's goings-on I'm sure) said nothing because the cruise lines were in a conspiracy, too! And the government! But somehow the insurance company was left in the dark, because, uh, the government was in on it, like I said. It's a lot like the moon landing conspiracy; if it didn't happen, how come the Soviet Union didn't - having every incentive in the world to do so - suss that one out? Because larger conspiracy!

[@fastfiddler1625]

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they choose their conclusion first, and then pick facts in and out of context to support it. This is as opposed to realists, who observe the facts and then formulate a conclusion based on the most likely result of those facts.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Conan-Doyle, through Sherlock Holmes, summed this up, when he wrote 'It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Inevitably one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.' However, I would go further. Where Conspiracists & Switchers are concerned, replace 'twist' with 'invent.'

[@Monicalia]

Agree. Not to mention they're the most scared and paranoid people on the planet, seeing threat, danger and corruption everywhere, in every song, movie and design. They're just unable to comprehend the fact sometimes sh*t just happens and there's no bribe, murder or UFO involved.

[@KoDeMondo]

Facts? what facts do you know. Oh yes, I know one that the conspiracy theory; CIA invented the term in 1967 to disqualify those who questioned the official version of John F Kennedy’s assassination and doubted that his killer, Lee Harvey Oswald, had acted alone.

[@expattaffy1954]

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[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

Would you not admit that the vast majority of people's opinions are based off their emotions? And when I say vast majority I mean like 99% excluding only robotically autistic folk. The average person picks their conclusion first and then fills in the rest with cherrypicked facts and ignorance of any that oppose it, usually without even realising it because it's a subconscious survival mechanism in order to protect your fragile psyche that relies heavily on how you choose to see the world and then dictates your narrative for reality. I also don't know what people mean when they refer to these apparent conspiracy theorists like there's a large demographic of hobbyists who believe in and argue for every single proposed conspiracy theory that's given light. It's a bit of a myth tbh mate, but I think what you mean are the lone nutters who get carried away with ridiculous ones and that's usually an obsessed individual focused on one particular conspiracy theory or multiple that relate to a particular subject. The idea of a conspiracy theory fan club is funny though I must admit lol. However I assume the meme's origins were for the purpose of intentionally discrediting the concept of believing in powerful people planning and plotting methods to maintain power, so it's concerning when you see people casually referring to these supposed "conspiracy theorists" as a demographic because it means it's actually effective unfortunately. We desperately need to emphasise the value of critical thinking in our society

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

From someone who is from Belfast, I used to believe in this dumb theory but it was due to the lack of knowledge, now I am actually really annoyed by it. It takes a massive dump on all the workers and fine builders of this glorious ship. I love that your videos tackle it head on and challenge it. Keep up the fantastic work brother.

[@mikedicenso2778]

I'm curious, what was the tipping point that changed your mind?

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

@@mikedicenso2778 It was seeing the Titanic at the bottom of ocean with 401 everywhere and seeing the Olympic scrapped with the number 400 on the parts. Plus the amount of workers who would have said something in Belfast Harbour after noticing the ships were being switched.

[@BD12]

When I go on my Titanic pilgrimage one day, I'm going to see Hartley's violin, visit the Olympic lounge in Alnwick, go see Harland and Wolff, and I am going to - at additional time and expense - visit Robin Gardner's grave so I can take a steaming dump on it. And then I'm going to accuse his loved ones of faking his death. "That coffin is empty!"

[@jasongerrard8940]

I have never waited in anticipation for part two of a documentary as I have with this one, even though the world knew that the story was b,ll,cos it was still a long wait,well done chaps.

[@ArchivoLocalUY]

Dang it! I have school. And I didnt watched the first part on purpose so I can watch the first and second parts one immediately after the other. My anxiety has no limit.

[@johnmisterjtatrevor-allen5790]

The line ""Whether or not Gardnier realised the image was fake at the time of writing his _novel_" is a beautifully understated twist of the knife!

[@SkulShurtugalTCG]

"Just do your own research" is the most convincing evidence there is, clearly.

[@LoneManProductions]

Ah yes, evidence. A conspiracy's worst nightmare.

[@oldgolfpunk]

People today misuse the term conspiracy theory..

[@gokulgopan4397]

It's their kryptonite

[@CJM-rg5rt]

It sucks that you just say "conspiracy" because those are real, plenty of them are, including some very extreme "crazy" ones that have been legitimately proven. You should keep that separate from these absurd and stupid conspiracy theories.

[@484berkshire]

Ah yes, somehow cosmetically fixing the Olympic, swapping all of the fittings from Titanic to Olympic, fully fueling and crewing "Olympic", and fully crewing and fueling this mystery rescue ship, sailing them out into the middle of the ocean, and sinking the "Olympic" was somehow less expensive than just properly fixing the Olympic...

[@PointNemo9]

It wasn't all of the fixtures and fittings, it was only the pieces branded with the ships name. Also you have no idea how expensive it is to repair structural damage

[@Nowhereman10]

@@PointNemo9 Everything on both ships had the respective yard numbers stamped on it. Everything. You saw the photos in the video of paneling from Olympic have 400 stamped on them, right? Items brought up from Titanic's wreck all have 401 stamped on them, even watertight door gears and tools used by the engineers. White Star Line and Harland and Wolff carried out far more extensive repairs before, just look up the S.S. Suevic, which had her entire bow rebuilt and then attached to the surviving stern section, following grounding on rocks. The repairs to Olympic were expensive, but nothing as extreme as Suevic's.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@PointNemo9 In Olympic's case, about £25,000 at 1911 values. Or, 1.67% of her building cost.

[@GaryNumeroUno]

I think Fenton was taking too much fentanol! 😂 Good investigative work Michael. You have restored the honour of the Titanic.

[@Toolsquatch]

Most people: Haha that theory is ridiculous Mike Brady: Let me show you 1,000 reasons this theory is wrong *Fantastic* video Mike! You really knocked it out of the park with this one, your diligence really helped put this ridiculous theory to pasture (and the prologue was an especially fantastic closing statement). Thank you for doing these people justice!

[@purleystebbins]

Thanks Mike @OceanlinerDesigns for another great episode. To Mike's potent takedown of the "switch" theory, I would add yet one more level of absurdity that would be required for this "conspiracy" to be real. The so called original plan to scuttle the ship could only work with complicity from Captain Smith, the other Officers, the Chief Engineer, and a host of others in Titanic's crew. Even assuming Captain Smith went bad, it would not have worked without Wilde, Murdoch, Lightoller, and Bell. Even further assuming these men were all scoundrels, you would be asking them to throw their careers away; it was all but a foregone conclusion that Wilde, Murdoch, and Lightoller would eventually be Captains in the White Star Fleet. A major accident at sea was the only thing that could derail that, as C. H. Lightoller survived to discover.

[@usaturnuranus]

If they had a year to make the changes, well, maybe...but six weeks? With a partial work crew? Those men and/or their families would have eventually told the story of this huge race of an undertaking. I just can't see it. Not for all the decades since.

[@Aidankiwi]

Agreed. I have always described Gardiner's book as a great yarn, a fairly good fictional work, but as a theory does not stand up to the tiniest bit of scrutiny.

[@usaturnuranus]

@@Aidankiwi exactly.

[@angr3819]

My grandparents were old enough to remember the talk, and that it was switched was talked about at the time. Guess who owned Reuters and other news agencies even before Queen Victoria died? Long before the Titanic? The Rothschilds.

[@lorigarza9971]

I really enjoyed these parts 1 and 2 Mike. Thanks for all of you and your teams hard work. I really enjoy this entire channel.

[@grantjohnstone9787]

The fact that Gardiner believes thousands of men could be cynical enough to commit mass murder and fraud in the way he described, is evidence that he was cynical enough to have imagined the entire thing just to sell his book.

[@William_320]

Unfortunately there’s lots of people who believe everything they hear without questioning anything. Another great video Mike. Hopefully this can put the ridiculous theory to bed!

[@JWRogersPS]

And, ironically, they are the same people who cry "Question everything!"

[@Xiroi87]

And who claim having done their own research... a time they could have better used in learning to spell.

[@LASTCARonBROCK]

I'm so glad you addressed the "MP" footage - that image completely convinced me of the switch when I first saw that 2012 documentary. Clearly, it was a forgery.

[@DGTLVendetta0S]

Thank you Mr. Brady for this awaited video haha, I particularly have been looking forward to this. both two parts are spectacular, you're analysis and complete coverage over this by far has given me a lot of greater insight and also makes me remember what I have forgotten. Great work!

[@OceanlinerDesigns]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@DGTLVendetta0S]

@@OceanlinerDesigns Most definitely! Bless you♥

[@kittybitts567]

Thank you Mike Brady for exposing how silly this conspiracy theory truly is. It says something bad about a person who tries to destroy the reputations and memories of people who were decent and hard working people who are long gone and not here to defend their own reputations. God bless the souls of all who were on the Titanic, all who built her and all who loved her.

[@scottleitner4801]

I became a huge Titanic fan when Cameron's movie was released, but even more so when we went to Branson, MO to the museum. Now, I've studied up a lot on everything to do with the ship and these videos are a huge help! Great job as usual Mike!

[@OceanAngel28]

Hello Mike. I just love your Oceanliner Designs channel so much! And you have taught me so much through your videos! 😍😊 So, I was wondering if you could do a video on Olympic's refits through her career?? It would be so interesting!

[@RatedD_4Derrick]

I love how informative your videos are!

[@fembotheather3785]

If the theory were true, it would mean that Olympic was not too damaged to keep her from getting most of the way across, which seems to mean she was not too terribly damaged, which leaves the theory a bit on the self-defeating side.

[@IZAQ_]

Will there be another part coming to the History of ocean liners series?

[@justinmcdaid2594]

This channel has become my favourite KZbin channel, love the content and the research that goes into it

[@vkturbo7676]

Love the video, a couple of things there scream out it's the Titanic and a couple of things I've never seen in docos. Appreciate the hard work and in depth look at the wreck.

[@MiniMC546]

The switch theory is as absurd as the flat earth theory.

[@RedDeadRanger]

Not really because one could be done with the right co-ordination, resources and ruthlessness - especially without the internet and instant messaging. Not impossible, just highly improbable. Whereas the flat earth theory is stupid and quite literally impossible.

[@lancerevell5979]

As well the "fake Moon landing" and the Russian Collusion. We have no dearth of ridiculous conspiricies. Something weird in Human nature, I guess. 😅

[@lancerevell5979]

As absurd as the "fake Moon landings" and Russian Collusion conspiricies. We have no dearth of ridiculous conspiticy theories, it's a part of Human nature. 😅

[@oldgolfpunk]

Flat earth has issues, the most recent that people can't answer with even a tiny degree of understanding is the recent test of rail guns fired from ships to other ship targets at around 130 to 150 miles away. The projectile travels at around 6000 mph, it has no moving parts, so it does not steer itself. But yet it travels over a curve at around 10,000 feet from one ship to another.... How does the projectile achieve this ??

[@mattskustomkreations]

You are just one of the sheep. Intelligent people know the “iceberg” that Titanic hit was actually the Ice Wall that surrounds Earth at its rim.

[@karenchristl4902]

I've been looking forward to to this one. The switch theory is only missing an Elvis sighting on deck. Then it would be perfect.

[@michaelholt8590]

You didn't know that Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa was seen having drinks together on Titanic?😂😂😂

[@dennisshank2715]

You forgot Judge Crater and Jimmy Hoffa.

[@mikedicenso2778]

I understand, from reliable sources, that Bigfoot was employed by White Star Line to work down in the boiler rooms shoveling coal.

[@michaelholt8590]

@@mikedicenso2778 It's all making sense now.

[@karenchristl4902]

Elvis told me that bigfoot was actually a greaser, not a stoker. It's a common mistake.

[@Wotan874]

I'm so happy your videos were the first source where I got any information about this conspiracy, so I can keep Titanics picture untainted.

[@rolanddunk5054]

Hi Mike,a great story very well researched and presented.I never believed the theory and you have reinforced my belief.Thank you,cheers Roly🇬🇧.

[@mrvip3r]

Honey wake up! Our friend mike brady from ocean liner designs has uploaded!

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Its fascinating to me that people think they would stage an accident mid ocean. Believing Conspisocy nonsense requires construct the events backwards rather than thinking about how to achieve the intended goals of said conspircy logically. No sane conspiritor would plan this so *badly*

[@--BiZ--]

Thanks Mike, for another extremely informing upload!! I'm watching part 1 again... :)

[@AngelofGrace96]

Wow, this was super interesting. Thank you for going so in detail into it! I loved how you pointed out that the shipbuilders used numbers, not names!

[@Dunebat]

Along with "Dune Part 2", this is the other "Part 2" I've been anxiously waiting for.

[@missvidabom]

I just cry thinking about all this. A friend of the family was trying to tell me this conspiracy was true and it hurt me to know he and others believe this. You’re so wonderful to discuss the devastating ripple effects to all those that ever touched the Titanic and all their children and grandchildren, etc. tarnishing their names, creating doubt, and accusing them of crimes they can never refute.

[@joshhaberle3840]

Thanks for setting the record straight Mike!

[@SlurpySOT]

Love ur vids mike

[@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll]

Why would Ismay (who was certainly a high enough ranking member of the company so he must’ve been involved in any supposed scams) travel on a ship he knew was going to be intentionally sunk?

[@ballantynemoyes8019]

The Official Secrets Act only applies to employees of the Crown, eg armed services, civil servants etc. As Harland and Wolf was a private company and the country was not at war then I don't see how any of its employees were covered at all by the OS Act. I read the book about the "switch" many years ago and thought it was total rubbish then. It still is total and utter rubbish now. Many thanks for posting this two part series. You make a great vlog which I find very informative and interesting.

[@stephenbrown1077]

Another great video, professionally dismembering the falsehoods revealed in the book. Very well done. Looking forward to your next video.

[@linb4985]

Great episode as usual. Also, do you think you could have Stephen Payne on again to talk about his career in ship design?

[@HistoricTravels]

Excellent series Mike, hope this puts all this nonsense to bed.

[@Oklahomarailfan.]

👋 like your videos

[@Dorito8052]

As much as I hope as well… I doubt it.

[@rmssegwunfan2870]

Brilliant as always! Especially the conclusion. Well done!

[@metallicasnake]

Another fantastic effort, Mike. Thank you for what you do.

[@Alobo075]

The only conspiracy involving the Titanic is the fact that she actually collided with Godzilla's dorsal spines as he was swimming through the area. This fact was covered up and the iceberg was blamed for the damage. 🤣

[@thomasackerman5399]

Nah, the later Showa-era Godzilla would've held the Titanic's bow up after it collided with the iceberg and saved everyone.

[@fuzzyhead878]

Nah, it was aliens.😛

[@gokulgopan4397]

I knew it. Monarch is really trying hard to hide it.

[@KSparks80]

Wow. I heard Godzilla created the iceberg himself, with that freezy-breath thing he has going on. Then after Titanic hit it, he melted it with his toasty-breath to get rid of any evidence that he was ever in the area. He then swam off to Tokyo and had lunch.

[@Alobo075]

@@thomasackerman5399 I'm not sure he would even realize that he and the ship had collided. Also, he was quite clumsy back then, stumbling and destroying a Feudal Japanese castle in Godzilla vs Mothra. I believe that in that same movie ha also got his tail stuck in a broadcasting tower and pulled it down. Not saying he wouldn't help, just saying he might not notice the hit due to his size.

[@escanorthelionsinyt884]

Love this dude. Keep up the fine work my friend

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

Fantastic Mike, brilliantly explained and full of information.

[@sirridesalot6652]

What a fine and long overdue debunking of the RMS Olympic/RMS Titanic switch theory.

[@matleb92]

Wouldn’t the workers who would’ve switched the two told their story throughout history? That alone is most evident why it can’t be true

[@usaturnuranus]

Absolutely. It's just human nature. Those men would have been proud of pulling off a trick like that, and someone would have blown the story wide open. Maybe not immediately, but give it a decade or two or even three, and all bets are off.

[@jilliansmaniotto2326]

I mean… yeah. that’s why mike talked about that exact issue for a large part of this video.

[@usaturnuranus]

@@jilliansmaniotto2326 You know, some of us just enjoy conversing a bit with others. A harmless shared observation or two. People talk about the weather even though everyone can see what it's doing. Just social creatures being social.

[@PointNemo9]

Yes, they told their family and friends, but without any media coverage it was simply lost to history.

[@usaturnuranus]

@@PointNemo9 that is a definite possibility.

[@VXGaming]

Why didn't the passengers say something about that rescue ship? They were paid off, obviously. Why didn't the workers say anything? They were paid off, obviously. Why didn't any of the public say anything? They were paid off, obviously.

[@lolloblue9646]

For a company that was, according to switch nutjobs, "on the verge of bankruptcy", they sure could bribe a lot of people

[@reaperskid07]

An issue arises at Harland and Wolff with this claim. The shipbuilders were very, VERY, V E R Y proud of their ship. To even try and claim that they were paid off to lie about it would have half the shipyard turning you into lunch.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@reaperskid07 He is being sarcastic, I hope.

[@That1StarTrekGuy]

loving all the content you’re creating! Educational and fun. 🎉 thank you Captain 🫡

[@SevenSagesRO]

Mike, I really enjoy your vids. I know you're not the greatest authority on all things maritime and nor do you pretend to be but your enthusiasm and love of the subject is very engaging. I'm really impressed by your integrity and honesty in the casual, rational way you debunk these clickbait theories which you could easily propagate yourself for financial gain. You're a good and genuine man and I will always look forward to your videos. All the best from Scotland.

[@Ragekid34]

Sadly I can’t watch I have to go to school 😢

[@Henri_Hilarious]

Same 😭

[@razgriz16]

Good luck

[@jstretch]

You would learn more here I am sure.

[@marktaylor9975]

It’ll still be here I’m sure.

[@Henri_Hilarious]

@@jstretch oh definitely

[@johnbuttery1171]

I'm fairly sure that Gardiner never set foot in a shipyard and possibly never on board a ship. Having done both I found his book to be wholly unconvincing.

[@lukesayers5850]

Worth the wait! LOVED IT!❤

[@Verdi.and.violet]

Very nicely done, Mike and team! As always!!❤

[@OceanlinerDesigns]

Thanks so much!

[@PaladinCasdin]

So many actual conspiracies out there with genuine proof, and people still get fixated on this nonsense.

[@user-li2yv5je5e]

I have a theory that the fake conspiracies everyone likes to believe in were made to protect the real conspiracies. You could call it a conspiracy theory conspiracy theory.

[@johncox2865]

I think you’re giving Gardner credit where he doesn’t deserve it at all. Why assume that he was so stupid as to believe a thing that is so obviously impossible? I think he was just a damned liar.

[@XDrZaneX]

I honestly hate this conspiracy so much because it's an utter insult to Olympic and her legacy. She did so much during her lifetime and was the last sister remaining. I understand the fascination with Titanic but damnit Olympic and Britannic are NOT just footnotes in their doomed sister's story.

[@roberttaylor6295]

Brilliant as always Mike! Thank you

[@Phaaschh]

Ive always thought Gardiner's claims were preposterous. When put under analysis like this, then I'm afraid I have to disagree, Mike- Gardiner's book was literary clickbait. It was a conspiracy theory desperately in search of a justification, and it succeeded admirably, making Gardiner a very nice little earner. It also showed that you can fool some of the people all of the time, a card which is being played again and again in these callous, shifty times. Gardiner was a con man.

[@teaumanport]

The "fire during repairs" risk continues to be an issue.... in 2020, the US Navy ship USS Bonhomme Richard caught fire, with damage so severe the ship was ultimately scrapped.

[@jaytaylor965]

Great work on this subject!

[@Tula-cs1ef]

I feel like this will make a few of you smile. I had a history teacher that believes this theory, so given the fact that I became obsessed with Titanic at five years old I decided to do my senior project on disproving this theory. For one hour I stood up in front of her class demolish EVERY SINGLE point she had ever brought up, thankfully the principal was in the room during my presentation so I still passed.

[@xiaoka]

No one talks about how they used a sub to go down and plant real titanic relics on the wreck of the Olympic before Ballard found it. Or should I say “found”, because he was probably in on it. 😂

[@Tozzpot500]

But that didnt happen. How are you going to replace an entire propeller on the wreck? How are you going to engrave the yard number 401 onto the machinery? How are you going to engrave the ships name into the hull?

[@xiaoka]

@@Tozzpot500 That's exactly what "they" want you to think....

[@Tozzpot500]

@@xiaoka who is this 'they' Robin Gardiner inventor of the myth? The theory is bs. At that depth it would be impossible to modify the wreck in any way that isnt salvage. You cant edit collapsing steel to resemble the Titanic and the precision of the numbers, the prop that is still bolted to a bent prop shaft and the fact that literally everwhere on the wreck her yard number 401 can be found makes your comment look beyond stupid

[@sc1338]

@@Tozzpot500this guy is just pullin your chain

[@lolloblue9646]

Solid trolling