Titanic - Deleted Scene - Guggenheim and Astor

Titanic - Deleted Scene - Guggenheim and Astor
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[@sgauden02]

Mr. Guggenheim was actually offered a seat in a lifeboat, but he refused because he didn't want any women or children to die on his watch. A true gentleman indeed.

[@nassauguy48]

Well, he WAS with his mistress while his wife was at home with the children.

[@sgauden02]

@@nassauguy48 True, but still. The fact that he was willing to die for the sake of a woman or child's life says something.

[@cnote2458]

@@nassauguy48he may not of been morally perfect. But saying no to life and accepting death in the hopes a woman or child would take his seat. Is a very noble act and he should be remembered for that.

[@travelmind5487]

Or a fool. Because a lot of the lifeboats had still space on them.

[@cnote2458]

@@travelmind5487 think it’s harsh to call him a fool. Not saying you are wrong on the fact. If he got in a lifeboat he would not of been taking someone else’s seat. Maybe he was a bit naive to think that. But in that situation would be hard to know what is the right call to make. And wasn’t like they had time to weight up the pros and cons of getting into a lifeboat. He made his call on a moral reason. And if he was right or wrong shouldn’t matter. As his decision was one from the heart. And should be respected as was honourable. But not going to lie. I am get a feeling your one that hates the rich. So want to find fault in anything the extremely successful do.

[@IncredibleFulk1]

When I was a kid, I thought Mr. Guggenheim was a goofball who didn’t realize the ship was sinking and thought it was some kind of party going on. Today as an adult, I understand this moment now and have mad respect for him for accepting his fate. Not enough true gentlemen today sadly. If I’m in a situation where I know my fate is sealed, I’d want to go out as a gentleman as well and die on my terms.

[@justthatguy8137]

Exactly the same thing with me. I always thought he just didn’t know that the boat was sinking. Now that I have seen this movie again a few months ago, I’ve realized how badass Mr. Guggenheim is for knowing this is most likely his end so why not go out like gentlemen on schedule.

[@litlifes3278]

One of his quote was "no women shall be left aboard this ship because ben guggenheim is a coward" that's such a bad ass line where it tells us that he really accepted his fate

[@leadesjarlais9305]

To add to this (because I just listened to a podcast about his family). Because he was in 1st class he was guaranteed a seat in a boat. But when he found out there were woman and children being left behind so he could get a seat, he went back to his room, got dressed in his best tuxedo and decidedly go down with the ship.

[@real2124]

@@leadesjarlais9305 only 25% of 1st class men survived as they weren't guaranteed a seat

[@Ameu-dude]

There never are enough true gentlemen

[@michaelm3033]

Guggeinheim went down like a true gentleman.

[@cameronhart2597]

I admire Guggenheim. He was willing to accept his fate without fear.

[@davidcabreonmunoz6258]

@Kiwi MGTOW now we have millenials...

[@almamater489]

@@cameronhart2597 He wasn't actually, irl his servants tried to tell him they've hit the ice berg and that they were sinking. He didn't take them seriously. In another scene later you see him shitting his pants after he'd seen the water coming through the rooms. The guy looking for his dog was John Astor, now he was a true gentle man, after saving his wife he went to look for his dogs to free them from the cages. Unfortunately he died trying to save them

[@jayive34]

@@almamater489 Anyone would shit their pants at this sight. But he was a true gentleman. He could have easily gotten into a lifeboat, being one of the most affluent passenger. But he didn't.

[@SoldierOfFate]

The wealthiest man onboard the ship, and he chose to die with the others over a glass of scotch. He could've easily tried to buy his way into a lifeboat like Cal but did not. A man of true class.

[@susieq9801]

It was the wealthiest man on the ship, JJ Astor, who had enough heart to release the dogs from their kennels to give them a chance to survive.

[@rstein926]

Susie Q Sadly the dogs more than likely drowned because obviously dogs don’t have brains like we have. Sure dogs are intelligent but they are blind when it comes to danger and those on Titanic had no idea the ship was sinking or where to go.

[@SuperMase9X]

@@rstein926 Apparently three dogs survived

[@JonnyDoe1776]

Even the dogs were considered before the people on the lower deck? Pathetic.

[@SuperMase9X]

@@JonnyDoe1776 I wouldn't say that. Astor and his wife were forced to leave behind their dog, a Pekingese (also the one mentioned in this scene). The dog didn't survive. Apparently many of the dogs ran up and down the ship in excitement while it was sinking. There was also a futile attempt to save the mail in the mail room too.

[@jinx1987]

SuperMase9X so you’re telling me that crappy titanic animated movie was right that three dogs survived!?

[@khfan4life365]

According to witnesses, this was what Guggenheim said: "We've dressed in our best, and are prepared to go down like gentlemen. There is grave doubt that the men will get off. I am willing to remain and play the man's game if there are not enough boats for more than the women and children. I won't die here like a beast. Tell my wife I played the game out straight and to the end. No women shall be left aboard this ship because Ben Guggenheim was a coward." The movie condensed it, but it’s proof Guggenheim went down with courage.

[@romans52345-cy3tq]

That's why men get paid more than women, because on a sinking ship, women and children get preferential treatment and are allowed to get off the ship first. So the extra money men get paid more than women is compensation for things like that

[@patrickcross5195]

yeah the witnesses all jotted those 150 words down did they

[@xr6lad]

Making his valet stay is not the sign of a gentleman.

[@patrickcross5195]

@@xr6lad nether is peddling tales that are demonstrably utter bollocks

[@zacmumblethunder7466]

​@xr6lad A valet was usually protective of and loyal to his employer. It's more than likely he'd have stayed of his own volition. It wasn't slavery or bonded servitude.

[@-Zikade-]

"No thank you, we're dressed in our best and prepared to go down as gentlemen... but we would like a brandy!" I always loved that. What a boss. Tbh if it was me and I knew certain death was coming I'd probably raid the whole bar and get myself completely wasted.

[@painiscupcake5433]

Or be like Chief Baker Charles Joughin: Raid the bar and then survive like a boss, because all your blood has been replaced by alcohol.

[@hugopelkonen3249]

Legend says that when Titanic was sinking Benjamin and Victor (his black servant) were sitting on deck chairs, smoking cigar and drinking brandy.

[@salvadorcano1084]

No thank you,we're dressed in our best and prepared to go down as gentleman...but we would like a brandy!!

[@Tyler-ce3um]

@@painiscupcake5433 youd be even more like him because he expected to die but actually survived

[@natekarpowicz7564]

@@hugopelkonen3249 Victor Giglio was British of Italian decent.

[@TheWriterWalker]

The look on Astor's face when he sighs tiredly, with resignation, and glances up...says it all. This is a powerful scene, showing how two super-rich Edwardian men might have stoically faced death.

[@mikemancini313]

Ironically, the actor of John Jacob Astor in this movie was a real life survivor of the deadliest maritime disaster in history known as the Wilhelm Gustloff.

[@TheWriterWalker]

@@mikemancini313, that is ironic, and I had never heard of the Wilhelm Gustloff. Will look it up. Thanks!

[@mikemancini313]

@@TheWriterWalker His name is Eric Braeden. He was an infant around 3 years old when the Wilhelm Gustloff sank. It was a German military ship that was evacuating over 10,000 civilians. I'm surprised he even survived considering around 5,000 children died on that voyage.

[@SoldierOfFate]

@@TheWriterWalker The Wilhelm Gustloff is possibly one of, if not THE deadliest, maritime disasters in history. It is largely forgotten due to the fact it took place during wartime and the ship was evacuating high-profile Nazis and their families.

[@TheWriterWalker]

@@SoldierOfFate, thank you for that info, friend. It always amazes me the things that gain prominence in the historical narrative, and the things that don't.

[@martine5480]

John Astor had a seat in a lifeboat next to his wife, but a young boy- (he was an unaccompanied minor in 3rd class with his sister) talks about how John got up from the lifeboat and picked him up and placed the boy in the lifeboat next to his pregnant wife after kissing her goodbye. Then another boy remarked how he didn’t want to get in the lifeboat because his puppy couldn’t go. He says John Astor took the puppy and told him that he’d look after it. These are just two survivors stories of how Astor really was a true gentleman up until he died. Truly, he sacrificed his life.

[@OpalLeigh]

I could not imagine I would be that calm and gracious facing my death 😔 crazy what rich people were like when they were expected to have superior morals and class.

[@xxxxxx-yx1ff]

actually Astor wanted to go on the boat with his wife, but that was refused from officer lightoller, who just wanted women and kids on the rescue boats

[@xaviers8578]

For the Titanic passengers, that night was the day of final judgment. His last moments and they knew it. In these situations, people show their true nature. Nobody wanted to die. It is very easy to lose your head. To not worry about everything, and try to survive at all costs. They all had their illusions, projects, dreams and will to live. Despite all this, they chose to live their last moments with dignity, they showed their courage, honour and gentleman. Just like Isidor Strauss did, Thomas Andrews, and many others. My deepest respects for these gentlemen. From Soul to Soul.

[@IamaMrE]

The depiction of Thomas Andrews is actually inaccurate in his last moments. He was in the smoking lounge at roughly 1:40 staring at the painting of Belfast Harbor and ignored the steward who asked if he was going to make a go for it. Minutes later other survivors stated they saw Thomas Andrews throwing deck chairs and any other floatable items overboard to help the people in the sea. The survivors on that overturned lifeboat said they saw Thomas Andrews meet with Captain Smith on the bridge at roughly 2:05. When the water started entering the bridge, they both left it and tried to get that last life boat down but we're both overtaken by a wave and taken to sea.

[@randomrazr]

how come they didnt try to find and get into any boats?

[@opticalraven1935]

​@@randomrazrWhat was the point? Smith was going to go down and Andrews knew he wouldn't make it.

[@randomrazr]

@@opticalraven1935 andrews was chief designer, for some reason if i was in his position, i would try to survive and get inot a boat to make sure Olympic and Britannic would be beefed up

[@svviftghost]

Do you think it's a coincidence that he was strongly opposed to the federal reserve, centralized banking system? Rothschild booked a ticket and got off last minute. Next year, they established the federal reserve on Jekyll Island.

[@khfan4life365]

That line Astor says about looking for his dog is one of those little historical Easter eggs. He and Madeleine loved that dog so much but it unfortunately died too. It was a female Airedale named Kitty.

[@r.i.pchannelisdead2404]

I feel bad for Astor and Madeleine and the dog I bet they both are so close to the dog and treated it like it was a child

[@svviftghost]

Do you think it's a coincidence that he was strongly opposed to the federal reserve, centralized banking system? Rothschild booked a ticket and got off last minute. Next year, they established the federal reserve on Jekyll Island.

[@E.D1282]

They should have kept the scenes with those characters who portrayed actual people who were on the ship

[@ceilesmammy]

Norah Lisa completely agree

[@brianmerritt5410]

No, don't forget how long the movie was. The movie can't show EVERY historical tidbit.

[@Tripnotik25]

Brian Merritt just remove 5 minutes of made up jack and jill and keep 5 minutes of these. Done.

[@ceilesmammy]

Tripnotik25 agree

[@brianmerritt5410]

They made the movie good. Fuck you and anyone who hates on Jack and Rose because you are wrong.

[@jameslawlor8826]

this 40 second clip sais so much about the sinking.....the steward who could be saving himself but hes still on duty offering lifebelts. guggeinheim who has decided to dress in his best and go down like a gentleman. his servant who knows his employment is over but remains loyal remains at his side in his best. Astor who put his wife Madeline in a boat and gave her his gloves and then went looking for her dog. the two richest men in the world sharing a final exchange. astor sighing as he look up at the grand staircase realizing all this beauty is over....and the hint of the music the band is playing outside and we all know their story. what a beautiful clip. i dont know why it was cut. in a 3 hour movie it would have been worth to include this.

[@kyuel09]

How is Astor not included in the boat? Were only women and child survive? And I keep reading comments also that Astor and his wife died in titanic

[@confusingthepolarity9507]

@@kyuel09 is was a women and children first call for the lifeboats. Some men made it on, but not nearly as many. And it wasn't w & c priority, it was treated as w & c only.

[@liemsk]

I believe it was cut because too much development of the side story about Astor’s dog, it was deleted among few other clips where Astors dog were included

[@babycherry8103]

Because most people wouldn’t find this as interesting as a rich teenage girl, having sex with some hobo that she met on a boat 2 days ago.

[@citypopFM]

It's a solid scene, all things considered, but even great scenes are cut from the final edits due to pacing, meandering on subplots, or needing to keep narrative cohesion. For a 3-hour movie to work as well as Titanic, I'm sure there were at least a handful of good scenes that had to be cut for the sake of the whole film to keep moving at a solid pace.

[@pittsburghpirateshat8950]

In real life Astor the wealthiest dude on the titanic who would have been worth billions in today's money gave up his own seat on a lifeboat with his wife so 2 children could get in the boat

[@andrewsstation6436]

I had read that Astor actually asked Lightoller if he could go with his wife to protect her (since she was young and was pregnant), but he refused and Astor told is wife he would see her in the morning (which unfortunately did not happen). To me, it seems like he had a will to survive, but he was still probably very brave that night.

[@danijelujcic8644]

@@andrewsstation6436 If it had been any officer other than Lightoller and maybe Murdoch, there's a small chance Astor would've be allowed into the boat.

[@andrewsstation6436]

@@danijelujcic8644 That’s what I had been thinking as well.

[@mikemancini313]

Supposedly, the actor in this movie who played John Jacob Astor survived the Wilhelm Gustloff diaster in 1945 which is to this day, the deadliest Maritime disaster of all time.

[@codyvettori]

@@danijelujcic8644 Murdoch allowed men off once there were no more women and children around to board. As Lovejoy states to Cal: "Stay with this one. Murdoch. He seems to be quite practical."

[@MikeB071]

Astor and Guggenheim were both in their 40s when the Titanic went down. Both of these actors look a lot older.

[@martyrobbins5241]

Eric braeden looks just like astor, he was 10 years older than astor was when he died

[@juanpina5026]

The actor of astor was 56 years old in the movie

[@neilhardie6312]

As long as the acting was on point

[@memelesardi9497]

At that time people were already old at 40's... 😁😁😁

[@straightdrop1089]

That’s because the produces wanted them to appear to be older to fit the theme that they “willing died” but would 2 billionaires really not want to survive? At 40? They opposed the federal reserve and where murdered. Or Not! but it has been very convenient for the Rothschilds who then took over the Money in the world one country at a time, but maybe I’m just a conspiracy theorist

[@DeepScreenAnalysis]

Wonderful acting from Eric Braeden as Astor. The dignity and composure and graceful resignation to what is happening at 0:25... simply brilliant.

[@calvinhobbesgatsby6869]

Astor was a true gentleman

[@martyrobbins5241]

Seth Klatt 😎

[@martyrobbins5241]

Messylin why indeed

[@garyquail2347]

Eric Braeden was one of the stars in the TV series The Rat Patrol.

[@martyrobbins5241]

Gary Quail yes he was

[@mizzpleasant9539]

"We've Dressed In Our Best And We Pepare To Go Down Like Gentlemen." Benjamin Guggenheim-

[@mohammedashian8094]

But we would Like a Brandy!

[@Smallville7]

@@mohammedashian8094 do you know if he actually said that? I'm just curious and if he did, did he get his Brandy in the end? RIP GENTLEMEN!!! 💙❤💙😭❤💙❤

[@mohammedashian8094]

@@Smallville7 he did say that he wanted to die like a gentleman but I don’t know if he did or didn’t say that he wanted a brandy

[@kayleeabeyta524]

@@Smallville7 he didnt say the brandy part

[@srujan00]

Funny he uses the word "Gentlemen" - he was Jewish.

[@ijnfleetadmiral]

Interesting bit of trivia: Eric Braeden (John Jacob Astor) is actually a shipwreck survivor. When he was three years old, Braeden survived the sinking of the German transport Wilhelm Gustloff, which is the deadliest sinking of a ship in history. The former cruise ship was torpedoed and sunk by a Russian submarine in the Baltic Sea on January 30, 1945, killing an estimated 9,400 people.

[@bag3lmonst3r72]

Wait what? İ had no clue he was German! Wow

[@senabecool7232]

Eric survived the dealiest sunken ship disaster and was in a movie about the most infamous sunken ship

[@svviftghost]

Do you think it's a coincidence that he was strongly opposed to the federal reserve, centralized banking system? Rothschild book a ticket and got off last minute. Next year they establish the federal reserve on Jekyll Island.

[@proa007]

And what a life he's lived. He'll be remembered for playing one of the most memorable characters in TV history as Victor Newman.

[@Christrulesall2]

No scene in this epic movie needs to be deleted.

[@brianmerritt5410]

Yes they do.

[@golden-63]

Except all the scenes between Jack and Rose.

[@thescpearrapemaster6204]

golden86 Yeah

[@tobyyawn24]

Obviously you never saw the original ending to the movie. Let's say be glad they cut that. But this scene they shouldn't have.

[@brianmerritt5410]

@@tobyyawn24 Or the scene with the fistfight between Jack and Cal's manservant it the bowels of the ship. It was a horror movie scene, and was so silly.

[@jonaidshahid9207]

“Tell my wife I played the man’s game all out and played it to the end….no woman shall be left aboard the ship because Ben Guggenheim is a coward” Big Salute!

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

Benjamin Guggenheim was not a coward. If he was, he would’ve been frantically begging to be let into a lifeboat instead of refusing to get into one.

[@robdog1245]

He’s just so done “I’m looking for my damn dog!” Astors actual thoughts *I can’t believe my wife asked me to go back into a sinking ship just to find the dog, I always hated that dog*

[@xtrupen8443]

their dog didn’t make it sadly, he went to go free the rest of the dogs which 3 of the freed dogs survived. Him and his wife also gave up their seats I think for two little children

[@shadowstarz3651]

@@xtrupen8443 His wife did survive the sinking, though. She was put in a boat. Their son was born a few months later.

[@xtrupen8443]

@@shadowstarz3651 yeah I read about that, such a sad tragic moment

[@natekarpowicz7564]

John couldn't board, even if Madeleine wanted him to. The Second Officer Charles Lightoller was only allowing as many woman and children as possible.

[@mach6893]

His actual thoughts: As long as my wife and dog survive, it's worth going down with the ship.

[@memelesardi9497]

Guggenheim's valet was loyal to the death... he went down with his boss... 😀😀😀

[@alexanderwalle3568]

Nowadays, they ding your Jaguar returning it to you like it never happened.

[@hangthanh9534]

"i am looking for my damn dogs" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@martyrobbins5241]

Hang Thanh indeed

[@queenofspades2365]

Maruna Junttila What is wrong with you, that doesn't happen all over Asia. You're generalizing, even where it happens it's not common now a days, chill out damnit.

[@dannyhuskerjay]

maruna needs to get laid.

[@trevormarshall8553]

Victor Newman

[@rstein926]

People like Benjamin Guigiham were true heros. Sure people like him were snobbish all because they were rich but they sacrifced themselves to let others especially women escape rather than go on a lifeboat when given the chance.

[@charlesuplifted5216]

Clearly not as snobbish as they sacrificed their seats for women and children knowing full well they could make it out alive due to their economic power

[@CoIdestMoments]

In my opinion they were most likely highly intelligent persons and as the events unfolded, they understood that it was a murder attempt, and they were the targets. All the propaganda about this unsinkable ship, JP Morgan and his friends cancelling at the last minute their presence on the ship, and the ennemis they made via their opposition to the creation of the Federal Reserve and the coming war. They probably worked it out real quick that the rest of the banksters have colluded against them, and that their fate is sealed as the others masters of the world want them dead.

[@sterlingpless9280]

Exactly Astors son became a famous socialite think about how 🤔 his dad saved his life

[@zzskyninjazz1821]

And what I also heard is that his servant wasn’t allowed on board a lifeboat so he decided to also not only save spots to people who need it, but also not leave his trusted servant behind

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

Mr Guggenheim could have decided to try and get into a boat or save himself as a First Class passenger. Instead he gave up any spot he may have had in a boat. He sealed his place in history as an honorable man.

[@alexanderwalle3568]

Anything for art.

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

@@alexanderwalle3568 ?

[@CJL1567]

They should air the Titanic in theaters across the country on April 14 every year - the full version, with all the deleted scenes. It'd be long, but it'd be epic.

[@kyuel09]

GREAT IDEAAA

[@danielleiapalucci1693]

Omg yes I wish 🙌🏻 great idea is right!

[@margogoralski6294]

Great idea. Maybe not every year, but for certain anniversaries for the tragedy and the film.

[@Brecconable]

I'd pay good money for that!

[@margogoralski6294]

@@Brecconable Same here.

[@martintruther5808]

If I were going to die on the Titanic, I'd drink at least an entire keg of brandy--not just one glass🎅

[@ImNotReallyHereMCFC]

Jordan Belfort: I will not die sober

[@CadeD679]

And, nobody would blame you if you did!

[@indiciaobscure]

I think this line was delivered more seriously. It was a sacrifice of his life, and a statement of dignity.

[@alexanderwalle3568]

I would have pulled a rabbit out of my hat to lighten the mood.

[@naziwalrusbastard9216]

why was this a deleted......such an important part.....well not so much after Hollywood.....I get it

[@SunnyFLBoy]

why is it important that Astor was looking for his dog? Who cares :-)

[@Hiro_Trevelyan]

Just think about how long the movie actually is and imagine if they didn't cut any scenes.

[@SunnyFLBoy]

the full version uncut is I think about 4 hours.

[@susieq9801]

Chris - Astor was the only person on board who thought enough to release the dogs from their kennels and give them a chance. That makes him OK by dog lovers like me. :)

[@bbradley92]

Because historically he was actually searching for his dog which had been apart of the Astor family for a lot of years. The dog was named Kitty and his wife was especially attached to it. They nearly lost the dog in Egypt only a few years before. Honestly, I'd rather watch portrayals of actual people and actual events of that fateful night as opposed to a cheesy, made-up love story; They should not have cut any of these more historically accurate scenes. Such a shame! They abandoned the chance to educate millions of people.

[@JustPippaNY]

Fun fact: Michael Ensign improvised his request for a brandy, as they weren't sure how to block this scene and James Cameron suggested he say something else.

[@citypopFM]

Thank you for sharing that! I just watched this scene for the very first time and the brandy line piqued my interest, and I couldn't figure out why! Now it makes complete sense it was improvised.

[@viborgvee8399]

What does “block a scene” in filmmaking mean, please?

[@Aivottaja]

Dying like a boss.

[@Aivottaja]

@ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ Dunno what that means.

[@DavidSmith-nm7un]

@ʀᴀᴢᴏʀʙᴀᴄᴋɢᴇʀᴍᴀɴɪᴀ huh?

[@Quasihamster]

Fun Fact: Guggenheim and Astor (and also Straus) were among the most outspoken and influencial opponents to the creation of the Federal Reserve System. If that ship hadn't sunk, the world today would not be the same. Not necessarily a better one though, as some will tell you.

[@martyrobbins5241]

Mikosch2 exactly!

[@Quasihamster]

Did you find the dog?

[@martyrobbins5241]

Mikosch2 no, got stuck at that bloody staircase

[@Quasihamster]

Wrong question!

[@martyrobbins5241]

Mikosch2 im looking for my damn dog

[@SophieLovesSunsets]

'We're dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen ... but we would like a brandy' Guggenheim died just as he lived ... like a boss 💙

[@armanddehorta]

Mr. Guggenheim was dressed in his best and went down as a gentleman, if you look at the scene when the ship is flooding it shows his shocked face and he's holding a glass of brandy as he requested, I love the details in this film!

[@smith-murdoch-oficirLow-androw]

No 1958

[@pabs4teen-hv5ye]

Expert in building sub: safety first Oceangate CEO: No thank you. We dressed in our best and prepared to go down as gentleman. But we would like an implosion. 😅

[@zlinedavid]

Accepts his fate, doesn’t even consider taking a lifeboat seat, dresses to the nines and gets fucking LIT. Much Respect, Ben Guggenheim…that’s how you handle that situation.

[@jib7026]

Respect to Guggenheim & Astor for not panicking when they ship was sinking. It's great that Astor's body was recovered.

[@MrJeffersondarcy]

This man is pure class and style!

[@citypopradioFM]

Guggenheim was one of the most wealthiest men on the ship, he was gleefully offered a spot on a lifeboat as a VIP first thing, but as a real man he knew to not only give up his seat without any fear, he made a show of it to inspire his wealthy peers to follow his example. Just as depicted, Guggenheim's valet also chose to follow his lead as a gentleman, and Guggenheim was purported to have said that only a coward would do anything other than said example. Everyone should openly admire and praise Guggenheim as well as his valet the same as real men who refused to be saved when there were women, children, and others aboard who deserved to live.

[@CAnnino054]

I never understood if Astor was looking up in a resigned way and kind of accepting what was happening or if he didn’t like Guggenheim and had no want to share a final meaningful word with him other than “Madeline told me to look for the dog”.

[@ChienaAvtzon]

Guggenheim was Jewish, Astor was a WASP. Even the upper class Jews were discriminated against back then.

[@lacouerfairy]

I think it was just mutual resignation of their fate and the fact that he didn't want to become sentimental.

[@user-ds2rd2oq1r]

The man was a goddamn hero! This was reported by numerous survivors. He went into one of the lounges with one of his men told the people to fit more people in his spot. He’s gonna go down like a gentleman! The man had balls. God fearing man right there! it sucked because James Cameron even said he had a limit the time so he kind of came off as a rich smug dude in the movie thinking that it wasn’t that much of a big deal etc. dude was a damn hero

[@Randomvideos-zi7pe]

Benjamin: "John!" John turns around and sees Benjamin extend his hand. John accepts the handshake. John: "May the force be with you"

[@VDAM1984]

I hope we could all face our deaths with that much class and courage

[@yissnakkjr8230]

To think (in the timeline of the movie) water was climbing the Grand Staircase just one deck below and already spilling over the boat deck and into the wheelhouse as this interaction was taking place. To not seek higher ground and to calmly climb down the stairs arguably 'closer' to your demise is something i dont think many could pull off.

[@JustPippaNY]

I met Michael Ensign this weekend at Destination Star Trek. He actually ad-libbed “But we would like a brandy!”, as they were unsure how to block the scene for his interaction with Astor.

[@LovesMJ4ever]

JustPhilNY That’s awesome!

[@rexrabbiteer]

Fun fact, the guy that plays as Guggenheim was the Sedgwick hotel manager from the first ghostbusters movie

[@Sueb18631]

Hey, you're right! I always thought he looked familiar! Thanks!

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

He’s the guy who ate Ross’ sandwich!

[@MauriceRivers415]

Benjamin died, but his mistress Leontine survived! She boarded the Titanic at Cherbourg with her maid, Emma Sägesser. She occupied cabin B-35 (ticket number PC 17477), and died in 1964 at the age of 77.

[@Schecguitarfan]

RIP Astor. Without you, all of our bicycles would be fixies

[@clevelandbci9562]

Astoria, Oregon is named after the Astor family. It's where The Goonies and Kindergarten Cop were filmed and set.

[@mishtaromaniello8295]

I think that the cut they used in the movie where they end the scene right after Guggenheim says “But we would like a brandy!” adds better dark humor; they state they are going to go down like gentlemen yet they need alcohol to relieve fear. It’s apparent since Guggenheim immediately spins back to the officer as if he can’t do anything without the drink and he almost forgot to say it. A pretty funny moment. Cameron made a good decision to just cut there. Edit: I forgot to add that if it were to be extended to this scene. The humor may not have been as obvious since it’s not a dramatic cut, it just flows to more dialogue in the exact same take, making it easy to forget.

[@JR-ly2pu]

The definition of a honorable gentleman

[@inkheart151]

I just researched this scene. He never makes it back with the dog......😭

[@martyrobbins5241]

Sadly not

[@margogoralski6294]

Rest in peace, good pups. As well John and everyone else.

[@howardmctroy3303]

Astor wasn't some idle rich stuffed shirt. He was a U.S. Army Colonel, an inventor, a writer. And I'll bet he went out with his boots on, just like he did in the film.

[@CadeD679]

He drowned because he cut into his life jacket to show his wife what it was made of inside. It was before any of the passengers realized that the ship was actually sinking, and the evacuation wasn't just precaution. Of course, he probably wouldn't have survived the icy waters if he had been able to float.

[@tomace4898]

"I have a dog!" -John Jacob Astor, boarding a lifeboat

[@alexritchie4586]

Guggenheim and Astor were actually real heroes during the Titanic's sinking. They gave up their lifeboat seats, went below decks to assist the opening of jammed doors and bulkheads, and smashed through windows to lead women and children to safety.

[@tglake2894]

It's somewhat relatable to me that Astor would be searching for his dog amidst the chaos of the sinking ship. When we're trapped in circumstances totally beyond our control, sometimes our minds just grasp at something normal to exercise a little control over our situation. Looking for a dog is essentially a distraction. I feel like we all do that.

[@Blupearl2003]

what exactly did Astor say to Guggenheim? "I'm looking for my damn dog" (the two Great Gentleman shake hands) "Madeleine asked me to look for the dog."

[@otongsekti9601]

The Opposed of federal reserve. 😭

[@eliel0503]

They didn't lmao

[@shawnpilgrim2355]

The scene where he sees the water coming, looks terrified, but doesn’t get up is brutal.

[@convue4112]

Fun fact john jacob Astor’s actor was a survivor of the Wilhelm gusltoff, the sinking that took the most lives out to this day, 9000.

[@ginantsfan5]

Most awesome vid!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MusicloverX88]

Gotta admit I do respect that.

[@yezki8]

Man's ready to meet God in drip and with class

[@tonyschannel7438]

I don't know much about the guy who played J.J Astor, except that his name is Eric Braeden, and he must be a very popular soap opera star, because for the past decade or 2, I CONSTANTLY see him on the cover of "Soap Opera Digest", and magazines like it! (which I see whenever i'm at the check-out at the grocery store)

[@scentlessapprentice88]

Another amazing tidbit is that the actor that played astor, actually survived the Wilhelm gustaf *spelling, sinking which was the worst disaster in maritime history with over eight thousand passengers killed.

[@kadykianus]

Very goof scene. It should not had been deleted.

[@yuch1102]

goofy scene you mean

[@PlzDeleteMe-fc2hl]

??

[@grism.5334]

Good scene*

[@jennifer5512]

Reportedly Ben Guggenheim also helped people to get to lifeboats.

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

Yup, along with many other selfless people who gave up their lives that tragic night.

[@HikoBenny4ever]

Two of the most powerful men who opposed to the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank. Both happened to die on the Titanic which JP Morgan owned, with opponents gone he stood unopposed.

[@chriscohea2817]

JP Morgan died a year later.

[@vafanapoli5396]

George Soros dank the ship with his jew powers

[@memelesardi9497]

And there was another Morgan who wrote "Futility" a short-novel that predicted Titanic's disaster... 🤔🤔🤔

[@galatheumbreon6862]

Stop this damn conspiracy is dead just stop

[@jasonroberts6080]

@@galatheumbreon6862 go comment somewhere else if you dont like it.

[@stemple11100]

massive respect to guggenheim and his valet for being gentlemen and choosing to stay on the ship so that a couple more women/children could get on the boats, i on the other hand would of been chucking bitches out of the way left right and centre to get on one of those boats lol

[@jackmcelligott6540]

The valet survived

[@CoIdestMoments]

Concerning Astor, Strauss and Guggenheim, the VIP that all died, it's likely that as the events unfolded, they understood that it was a murder attempt, and they were the targets. All the propaganda about this unsinkable ship, JP Morgan and his friends cancelling at the last minute their presence on the ship, and the ennemis they made via their opposition to the creation of the Federal Reserve and the coming war. They probably worked it out real quick that the rest of the banksters have colluded against them, and that their fate is sealed as the others masters of the world want them dead.

[@TheMoonlight2887]

Poor Carlitos Gardel looked like he really wanted to take the life jacket. 😅

[@rokmonster2106]

I would have loved to share a final cup with you Mr. Guggenheim!

[@brookewagner2611]

They should of kept that scene it was a really good scene

[@fabianlange7245]

Egal wie oft man den Film sieht, es ist jedesmal so emotional weil es einfach zu echt gemacht ist. James Cameron ist der beste Filmemacher ever.

[@NorthernHandle]

I’m glad they filmed this. The struggle.

[@eddwowwie]

He didn't die in the grand staircase, he died when a funnel collapsed, they found his body crushed.

[@martyrobbins5241]

Indeed

[@eddwowwie]

Oh. (?)

[@natekarpowicz7564]

It must have been unseen. Astor could have been crushed by the back funnels after the ship split in two.

[@malphone7940]

I want someone to make a fan edit of this film that includes all the deleted scenes, but cuts out all the fictional characters. Yeah it would probably only be a half hour to 40 minutes at most but it would still be an interesting mini film

[@shadowstarz3651]

There once was an edit on KZbin where 90% of the Jack and Rose scenes were cut. It wasn’t in places it would’ve been impractical, but I enjoyed it more without the love story. Sadly it’s not here anymore.

[@user-cu3gs1lj2h]

本当の紳士だよ　憧れる

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

Based Guggenheim. Getting drunk and going down without a care. Also the whole crew still at their posts.

[@meigadeoz]

Benjamin Guggenheim was not that old when he sank

[@MrPaddy5526]

Well, back then they didnt get as old as today, so maybe they actually looked older than they were? just a liitle thought passing by

[@marcusgrey6462]

mmm,actually plenty of people looked older than they truly were back then.

[@MrPaddy5526]

plus back then they needed to be portraited, which were made even younger than they actually were

[@Edwardnarby92]

It's a shame they cut this scene, it's a great one

[@Edwardnarby92]

I'm glad Captain Dietrich made it off the Titanic and went on to fight the desert rats in North Africa!

[@defblinders9585]

The man was like "When I arrive at the Gates today I will be well dressed."

[@obiwanfx]

If you have to be a stuck up gentlemen, then atleast stick to it untill the very end! Hats off for you sir

[@erickmelendez9447]

I remind this escene was on the movie, I saw it on the movie, Vamos a hundirnos como caballeros.

[@Mi_Fa_Volare]

How many scenes got deleted? How much of the Jack Rose romance could have been left out?

[@zzskyninjazz1821]

Yes

[@Jenna304]

volarecantare well given that the movie is 3hours long lol

[@valk_7233]

How much of the Jack Rose romance could have been left out? > All of it?

[@shadowstarz3651]

There used to be a cut on KZbin where most of the Jack/Rose stuff was cut out, though it got taken down a while back.

[@marvinfreitagsmueller9527]

They deleted so much that it appears like some persons just Despawned from the Ship

[@christopherdavid1561]

This man defined Edwardian badassery

[@WhiteBraveheart1]

The original Thug Life......

[@murphyjack90]

Stiff upper lip, always. And a glass of brandy.

[@Panny174]

My favorite seen I love him !! So poor him age at 46 years old only

[@piusx8317]

Always loved this. I wish they kept it in the movie

[@declangill5138]

Actors and Guggeinheim 2 of the richest guys on Titanic stayed behind, why couldn't all first class men be this? More first class men than 3rd class children survived

[@bramijdema759]

Too be fair, men were allowed to take a seat in the lifeboats, no matter the class, so more third class men survived then first class men. Once the First Class men realised the situation was serious, most of them stepped away from the boats and drowned.

[@TitanicWorld]

[@murrieta49]

The desert chef survived by drinking all the liquor he used for cooking which helped him beat the freeze

[@sterlingpless9280]

He could have saved his own life but saved someone else's life true heros unselfish

[@nicholaslangbraten6048]

Looking for my damn dog

[@martyrobbins5241]

Madelaine asked me to look for the dog

[@eduardomarchena5310]

What did he say at 0:28?

[@abbeyrozemorley9984]

Madeline asked me to look for the dog x

[@martyrobbins5241]

StarX Shaped yes thats right

[@JackieHallam]

Her name was Kitty!

[@martyrobbins5241]

Jackie Hallam indeed

[@timothyip6199]

what happened to their pet then? already drowned in pet room?

[@darkfire8865]

Guggeinheim being a gigachad for 42 seconds straight

[@askjeevescosby2928]

That handshake at 0:15 was him saying "die with us, don't take up a spot on a lifeboat"

[@SirRifty]

This was NOT a deleted scene, I had it on DVD and this scene was in the 2nd DVD (there was two DVDs because it was 3 hrs long) the first DVD was her voyage and 2nd was the sinking

[@Whitneypyant]

It was deleted. I seen this film a bunch of times when it was in theaters. The line that he said was in the picture but him and Astor meeting wasn’t in it. I think the DVD was anniversary DVD.

[@nerva-]

@@Whitneypyantagreed, the Guggenheim line was there but not the part with Astor. Which makes sense, because apparently there were several deleted scenes involving Astor and his dog, so once you cut the other parts of the dog thread, then it wouldn't make sense to have him in a scene where he makes a random reference to it like that. Still, unfortunate, because it's such a great moment where he looks up as if to say, "such a shame, it was a great ship, and I'm not ready to die just yet."

[@trhobs4137]

that people who reject federel resever ...

[@hairbeauty8083]

Sergio Agusto' exactly if titanic never sank the federal reserve would never have happened

[@federicomontuori9543]

@@hairbeauty8083 so no central bank? No dollar ?

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

@@federicomontuori9543 central bank owned by state instead of owned by private like now. unlike ours, your central bank is owned by private family. im majoring in banking and thats the jawdropping fact i ever heard, a central bank of a country owned by a private sector. if they survived your central bank will be owned and organized by the government, the said private family sector cant dictate what USA government must do or do not like nowadays.

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

oh, and JFK also assassinated because he is against federal reserve too.

[@madouc5754]

Lightoller was part of the NWO?

[@titanichistory8688]

This is my favorite titanic scence.

[@priscillajimenez27]

As a kid i remembered the actor of JJ Astor playing as Victor in a soap opera and i always said he looked like my grandfather. When they showed JJ die, I bawled. 😭