You Deserve to Get FIRED if You're This Person in the Machine Shop

Recently, we had a conversation about CNC Machinist pay and how people in the machine shop should be getting paid more... well there's a flipside to that... there's certain people who not only shouldn't be getting paid more, but shouldn't even be around at your company...
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[@TITANSofCNC]

Definitely not bashing programmers and I also just released multiple videos saying that great programmers need to get paid more etc.

[@shaunofthedead6389]

In some places your ideas will never be implemented because the management didn't think of it first.

[@Baard2000]

In the Netherlands we have a saying : the fish starts to smell at the head.

[@nebraskaman8247]

Another company saying you can do this at home when you're not getting paid. Screw that! Good companies give you time on the job for continuing education. If the employer doesn't create that time, then they are setting themselves up for failure.

[@mikebald]

"[...] not a 40 hour job, it is a lifestyle." That sounds like, "I don't want to pay you to learn, but I want the results."

[@jameswester650]

As a machinist with over 35 years in the trade, I know first hand what your saying. When I first started out of high school I felt obligated to do what I was told. As my skills improved I learned faster ways to work. When I went to the ones in charge and suggested changes, you guessed it. That's not how we have always done it. So I stuck my neck out and made changes on my own. Production went up and so did the egos of the powers to be. So I moved around to other shops until I found one that liked my attitude toward work. I always liked when the bosses would come up and tell me you can't do something like that. My favorite response was always the same. I wish you would have told me that before I finished the job faster than ever before. I whish I could have worked for someone like yourself during my career. I'm 71 now and still get excited watching you videos. Thanks, James from Phenix City, Al.

[@h.d.5288]

Now in days, companies aren't trying to invest in modern machines, or make programs more efficient, instead they just micromanage workers in the shop floor and demand more production.

[@davidfarmer]

Unfortunately most of the time, these people are the shop owners or the boss, womp womp.

[@russromito4903]

Done it for 44 years. Companies don't care. You get nothing for the extra that you do. Sorry this is not the real world. You are dreaming !

[@rufusleers]

Once you do more than is required at most shops that I've worked at, then it becomes expected and when you slack off even a little they reprimand you for it. Those shops suck.

[@justinl.3587]

Left a workplace that the boss was this exactly. We begged for new equipment, new tooling, fixturing, etc. Nothing would change because it "just works" the way we had it.

[@lonixlon]

When you work for years for somebody and they fail to put any value on your work, every other programmer you know earns more than you, your boss blames you for every problem, you begin to stop caring, you do less and less and eventually only do the absolute minimum, i have a saying, if they won't pay me for the work I do, I'll do the work they pay me for.

[@clutch5sp989]

I've learned the harder you work....the more that is expected out of you all the time every time. This is while the person beside you barely does their job and get the same pay then a promotion.

[@scotty362100]

90% of this rant is BS! You (as a shop owner) do NOT have the same non-commitment to employees as others do. MOST shops, (42yrs experience) ONLY think of their employees as a number, ALL expendable for any reason or whim of the owner/executive team. The common management training dictates that NO ONE is irreplacable, period. They won't even remember your name 5 minutes after you are gone, no matter how much of a "rock star" you were, no matter how much their business suffers due to their decision. YOU are NOT the normal business owner/manager. The reality is, the smarter, better, more devoted you are - the ONE who has the bosses ear, will be threatened by your "rock starness" and will do EVERYTHING to make sure you are shown the door. period.

[@simonjdouglass1978]

The shop I just started in is exactly the opposite. The engineer is on the floor helping with everything.

[@Boorne2Kill]

You’re trying to fire a person you’re underpaying to work or learn on their own time? It’s not 1970 anymore. That kind of work ethic is long gone.

[@vezyrvezyr8165]

Just swap the word “programmer” with “owner” and everything what you are saying make sense right now !!!!!!!!!!

[@jezaelp]

THANKS FOR THOSE WORDS.

[@tek5358]

I'm torn, this on one hand is true about continued learning and being excited about what you do, but on the other it feels a lot like "i shouldn't have to pay you to learn or advance" which might not be how he runs a business, but i know for a fact, many other places use people up and spit them out, exporting talent to trade for lower paid replacements, and the loyal people bear the weight of those bad decisions while upper management lines their pockets and the cycle repeats until all senior people leave and there's a talent vaccuum causing the work to pile, standards to drop and the company to limp until it dies or massively re-structures. Tldr don't shoot yourself in the foot by letting talent go because you cant see past the need to feed a growth percentage.