Can YOU Survive this P-47 Mission from 1944?

This is another addition to my "Can You Survive" series. This episode focuses on the 56th Fighter Group and the P-47 Thunderbolt flown by David Schilling. This was made using the World War II flight simulator IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles series. Hope you enjoy! Please like, comment, and subscribe. #WW2 #WWIIHistory #WarThunder
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[@TJ3]

Note - As CO, you certainly could have also turned to help your wingmen too, as many of you have said. Sometimes there are multiple correct decisions! Make sure to comment if you would have survived! Good luck boys! Hope you enjoy. 😃If you enjoy my content, please consider supporting me on Patreon! www.patreon.com/TJ3History

[@Bathi_wt]

pls do one in "5 facts we don'no about the spitfire"

[@biggestoof524]

Why no video from German perspective? This is american bias.

[@TJ3]

It is on my to do list.

[@KarlVonEiser]

​@@TJ3 Thank you, after watching this video I've immediately became interested in the 56th.

[@AudieHolland]

Not so sure if there are multiple correct decisions. The primary target is always the most important thing to achieve. If those flak units are not destroyed, the transports will suffer. The flak units are right there for the taking, it's 2 km to join the fight with the Focke Wulfes. He made the correct decision to go for the flak units.

[@dberaupilot]

When your wingmen/brothers are in danger, you go to their aid, there is no discussion or other decision to be made. Besides that part, good video!

[@TJ3]

Fair point!

[@dohc22h]

I agree. Because as long as the enemy aircraft are engaged with the P47's the Ground AA guns won't fire in risk of hitting their own planes. you'd think.

[@volters9561]

Disagree. The mission objective is paramount to anything else.

[@davidbrooks1724]

Thanks!

[@TJ3]

Wow Davidddd!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH! :D

[@davidbrooks1724]

@@TJ3 fun videos and I know it takes hard work and a lot of time

[@TJ3]

Thanks! I greatly appreciate it. Glad you enjoy :)

[@antgiat]

Well done,one thing only. As a CO your primary is to get your boys back. I'd tangle with the 190s to get them off my boys.flak and trucks are still going to be there when we are done. As far as the last ...cannot resist the med care 😜

[@listek981]

The other thing is that 190s would go after you while you'd be trying shoot at aa. Shooting aa would make you an easy target for 190s and also would mean you left your wingman to die.

[@tkskagen]

More of these "Choose your own Adventure" Stories would be greatly appreciated!

[@paulmazan4909]

Not coming to the aid of your fellow squadron mates that were under attack by the FW190s would make you a very unpopular leader. You might have reduced the heavy losses the 56th took and been respected as a team player that put the lives of his men first. It's not about scoring a kill, it is about protecting your people.

[@TJ3]

Yep. Fair enough, I agree

[@0Zolrender0]

I disagree. If the primary mission is not fulfilled then many transports might be shot down and more lives lost, or you might be forced to come back here a second time and lose more men in the process. Always stick to the primary mission. You men will understand this logic.

[@paulmazan4909]

@@0Zolrender0 I understand the logic of your reply but disagree. If one of your squadron is lost when you had the opportunity to attempt to save him your men will NOT understand. In combat, the only thing you can rely on is each other. You have everyone else's back and they have yours. If you break that faith you lose their respect and their support. The next time you need help why would they come to your aid. Your perspective is that of someone in command who is concerned with the mission and overall strategy. In combat, your buddies are your first priority.

[@PvtPartzz]

A 190 could take down far more aircraft than an anti aircraft position and losing friendly fighters further reduces your capacity to deal with threats in general. Even just looking at it from a logistics standpoint, taking down fighters probably had the more detrimental effects on the enemy considering they may also be losing their trained pilots. An aircraft and its pilot are worth more than a stationary anti-aircraft gun and its gunner (most of the gun crew would likely just take cover or run away from the emplacement as you make your approach).

[@wilsonriley1856]

@@PvtPartzz From what I have read and heard secondhand, the entire point of the american bomber offensive in europe prior to d-day was to force the luftwaffe into an aerial war of attrition and destroy its best pilots. The bombing of german industries, although the official objective and useful, was the secondary goal.

[@wolfthegamerking]

I’m amazed that he did a video of the most skilled p47 pilots for the US, in my opinion because the 56th flight group had some amazing pilots for the planes they had. Oh fun fact the only two experimental P47m models were given to the 56th fighter group.

[@razorback20]

Only two? Nah, there were far more than that. And should the war have lasted a few more weeks, the 56th was even about to deploy the mighty P-47 N over Europe.

[@wolfthegamerking]

@@razorback20 no it was only two models they were experimenting with new engines that can keep up with ww2 jets, in an ironic sense the ugly duckling in war thunder. The pilot actually shot down a German jet so I mean it did what p47m was being experimented with. Oh btw the 56th Fighter group main used lightnings then went to mainly p47c and p47d models with later models coming in near the end as either low numbers or used for experimental combat rubs so the p47n is in my view and opinion a worse overall version to the p47 models, however I still need to do more research on the p47n model because I most did my research on the 56th fighter group and the p47c up to the p47m. Oh fun fact the 56th fighter group originally used lightnings as their main aircraft

[@steveperreira5850]

They got more than two, they got the whole Group outfitted with M models

[@wolfthegamerking]

@@steveperreira5850 I only found two m models used in the 56th Fighter group, as I stated earlier that they most likely did show in low numbers as in most likely more than what I was saying however the information I got was saying that only 2 p47m were taken off the assembly line and give two highly unknown engines with enough power to keep up with early jets that Germany built and from what I found out from the limited information I found, because 56th fighter group is surprisingly not talked about a lot as you know P51 is best aircraft of ww2 or bf109 is best aircraft, oooor no no IL2 because it’s a flying tank of USSR mass production. So any information that I found online was with limited or I’m stuck using Wikipedia because in my pov p47 is only talked about for you know ground attacking and being a nickname the jug or thunderbolts. If you found the actual numbers of p47m produced and sent to frontline and saw combat with records pls send cuz I love p47m and 56th fighter group and I want to know more.

[@danraymond1253]

@@wolfthegamerking okay, I am not at all sure where you read that they only made two P-47Ms. The production number of P-47Ms was 130. This was preceded by 3 or 4 (depending on what source you read) YP-47Ms, which were the earlier experimental versions of the P-47M production variant. I am not totally certain how many were actually sent to the 56th, but I'd bet at least most of them were, if not all. Remember that this was a high performing and rare plane, so they wouldn't make any for training in the states. All that they made likely went to the 56th, and so they probably had all 130 P-47Ms. More than one P-47M pilot shot down jets as well. In all, the P-47 shot down 20 Me-262s during the war, and 4 Arado Ar-234 jet bombers. 7 of those 20 Me-262s were shot down by P-47Ms. And two P-47Ms were not taken off of the production line and given "highly unknown" experimental engines. The P-47M used the P&W R-2800-57C engine, which produced 2,800 hp. What you are probably thinking about when you say the two highly unknown engines is the XP-47J (of which only one was made) and the XP-47H (of which two were made). The XP-47J was a highly modified P-47D with a closely-cowled engine, a spinner, a cooling fan, two guns removed, the turbosupercharger intake moved back, and many other changes. It was designed long before the P-47M, and was initially given the same R-2800-57 engine that the P-47M later got. So it had the same 2,800 WEP hp rating. After some time, though, the engine was making metal, and was replaced. It was later replaced again by a R-2800-14W, which was also rated around 2,800 hp. The XP-47J was given the improved General Electric CH-5 turbosupercharger (over the old CH-3) that was also later used in the P-47M. The exhaust hood from the turbosupercharger was reworked to provide additional jet thrust as well. In 1944, the XP-47J went over 500 mph in level flight. Depending on what source you read, it went anywhere from 502-507 mph, and was the first piston plane to break 500 mph in level flight. It never went into production though. The XP-47H used an experimental Chrysler XIV-2220 inverted V-16 engine, rated at 2,500 hp. It was expected that this model would reach 490 mph, but it never topped 414 mph in testing, which was worse than the production Thunderbolts. It is unclear if they did a full power test at optimal altitude, though. There is actually pretty good footage of this plane flying if you look it up on KZbin. Also, the 56th fighter group never flew the P-38 Lightning. They started on P-39s and P-40s during training in 1941 to mid '42, but this was short-lived and they quickly went to P-47s. I am not quite sure where you read that either. The P-47 was the only plane they ever used during the war, besides the aforementioned planes early on. The P-47 was certainly the only plane they took into combat. As a final note, this is opinion-based, but I'd absolutely say that the P-47 was every bit as good of a plane as the P-51, if not better. And the Thunderbolt was certainly better than the Me-109. The IL-2 was a great plane, but is hard to compare to fighters as it has a different role entirely. I'd say the P-47 was the best plane of the war because it was truly a great fighter aircraft, (something it's not often given credit for) and also a fantastic ground attacker. The records speak for themselves, and the P-47 shot down a ton of enemy planes, most at a time when Germany still had many experienced and very skilled pilots, proving it's worth as a fighter. The actual kill ratio of the P-47 was as good or better than the P-51 in the ETO as well, even though the Mustang is commonly credited with a 10-1 kill ratio, which is not even close to true. The jug also shot up tons of enemy planes, trains, trucks, armoured vehicles, and troops on the ground. Truly a great aircraft that is only started to appreciate some of the recognition it deserves. 👍

[@HeyBigChriss]

I think the decision to not help your fellow pilot is the WRONG answer and the option to attack the FW190’s should’ve been the right answer. Think about it- IF you help your wingman, not only are you being a good leader by helping out, but you also have an extra friendly to help aid in taking out targets quicker and making the whole mission more efficient. Also, I’m this scenario, if the pair of FW190’s were on your wingman’s six, you could’ve gotten on the enemies six and shot 1 down, maybe 2, but if you only managed to shoot one down, then you and your wingman could’ve double teamed the other 190, and then there would be NO other enemies you would have to worry about allowing you to focus on your mission; attacking flak. Also, if you let the FW190’s, they could’ve turned on you, and then the whole process would repeats itself.

[@0Zolrender0]

I disagree. If the primary mission is not fulfilled then many transports might be shot down and more lives lost, or you might be forced to come back here a second time and lose more men in the process. Always stick to the primary mission.

[@Mr_3raqi]

@@0Zolrender0 it's 2km away, the wingman is already in the dead

[@YokaiiWutever]

Bro the fighter Is on your 2km his already dead before you come to his aid also if you chose that your also ignoring your primary target

[@jesspeters1611]

He was.out of ammo. His airplane was damaged. How could he save his comrades.

[@jamesTBurke]

@@0Zolrender0 but at the same time that's 1 more pilot to help provide support

[@jirikupr2599]

For me, when it comes to the desicion i would change some of them. 1st - The formation. In case when on the attack run would fly the entire 56th Fighter Group, than (for example) 61st and 62nd Fighter Squadron should be primal ground attackers and fly low to their targets, 63rd would provide top cover fly high, just under the clouds. If needed, they would attack the target after attack of 61st and 62nd in case some targets won't be destroyed. 63rd secondary objective is to serve as a bait, because the AA fire will concentrate their fire on 63rd high on the sky and will not pay attention to the 61st and 62nd, who would performe the low altitude attack and destroyed them without taking to much risk. Always one group of planes must perform the the attack while second must provide them cover from above. 2nd - How to escape Fw-190. It deppens on your speed, their speed, distance between your planes and height of the overcast. If your speed is high enough and they are cutting the space between you really slowly, than the best option is to escape to the cloud. But when your speed after the attack is low and they're closing in really quickly and attacking from above, then when you would try to reach overcast, you are dead meat. In this case, it's recommended to turn into your enemies, because their attack time will be shorter and even with the p-47, they couldn't chase your plane with much bigger speed than yours and overrun you, then you can try to reach the clouds. 3rd - The descision of the next target. Yeah, truck are easy target, but they can containe enemy supplies, troops and ammunition and when you are all alone, its the wisest descision. Attacking the enemy planes is best descision if you want to save your friends. Then you have two options. (A) You can gain and altitude over your enemy, which gives you advantage over your enemy in height and speed. It will make your attack saver but during that time your comrades can be shot down. (B) Attack in your current altitude. You will reach your enemy faster, you will increase your chances in saving your comrades, but when you miss your first attack, you can be more easily attacked by enemy in comparision with option A. But attacking the AA batteries, when you are all alone is in comparision with first two option the worst. Firsty, AA fire will concentrate only on you, so the chances of your death will increase significantly, many of the great war aces (like Leroy Schreiber) died cause of AA fire, while solo straffing the enemy ground targets. Secondly, the AA fire isn't your primary target anymore, you attacked your target and mission is completed, your primal objective is to get your boys home, because you are responsible for them. Thirdly, while making an attack, you are an easy target for enemy fighters, who are attacking your comrades. While attacking the target, your comrades can be dead already and enemy will see traces from your gun, will fly to you and catch you while gaining altitude, because your are too busy with destroying the target which is not immediate threat. Its just my opinion, so take this with overview.

[@direwolf6234]

nice job .. my uncle was a p-47 mechanic with a tactical fighter group at forward airfields .. came ashore D+20 .. was strafed on jan 1 1945 and by wars end was outside of metz .. he said that the planes would return with serious damage but they did return ...

[@ZephyreGod]

You should made more of these mate, these videos tests our knowledge and its fun at the same time

[@andys5775]

My 7yo son and I love watching these together. Keep em up along with all the other video!

[@TJ3]

Awesome :) glad to hear that

[@jksizzle16]

I love these so much. You guys probably think I’m lying but I’ve survived every single one of these.

[@jksizzle16]

Thanks for hearting

[@ianpaissios534]

yea me to man

[@jksizzle16]

@@ianpaissios534 awesome, I feel I would be a great fighter pilot. You?

[@Arturian.music.official]

haha.. that last quiz. Great vid! A way to be immersed in history, seeing how well we'd fair. I was shocked that I got all the way to beng a pow. Yeah, that one.. I would have attempted a belly landing.. lol

[@01ZO6TT]

Thanks for another great would you survive video. I actually got them all right but, it was hard not to go help my buddies and shoot down the 190’s. The sweet shop keeper was for me. Please continue to post these. I look forward to them. Thanks

[@Lyraine1]

A good one! I picked all choices right except two. The first one was with 190s appearing out of the clouds. I picked option B because you didn't really specific how close the clouds are. Pulling your nose straight up at low speed with 2 190s that are already shooting at you which means they are likely very close to you already sounds like suicide unless the clouds are super close. If that's not the case turning left or right sounds like safer option. Since the 190s appeared from the clouds they should be going much faster than you. Turning as fast as possible to left or right would most likely make them overshoot. But in general that's a terrible situation to be in. The second one was deciding which target to attack. I felt like helping a squadmate with a 190 is far more important than destroying some AA gun. Not only It's more dangerous but saving your squadmate just feels like the right thing to do instead of abandoning him.

[@mskiUSMC]

C. C. A. C. C. B! Dude, TJ3, I love these videos. Outstanding.

[@alexravex4575]

Next scenario: You're flying an A6M5 zero against Corsairs and Hellcats in late 1944.

[@ryanhampson673]

Annnnddd…You’re dead 😂😂

[@hecunt3633]

You die

[@fazole]

Very good and original. The P-47 did have a very good roll rate and a skilled pilot could use that to force an enemy to overshoot BUT, since this P-47 was flying against TWO opponents, climbing into the clouds was the only option, especially if it was equipped with the new paddle bladed props! I also did not know that the AAA was so effective during Market-Garden and this explains a lot why air support was not a major factor in the operation.

[@skykeg4978]

TJ, I missed one question however I firmly believe that it was the correct decision. It was choosing between attacking the supply column of trucks, AA batteries, or coming to the aid of my wingman. I chose helping the wingman because it was vitally important not to lose comrades as it takes a long time to train a combat pilot plus he`s more than likely a good friend. I`m breaking up the attack on the fellow aviator by the 190`s.

[@TJ3]

In hindsight, I believe this decision is also acceptable. :)

[@LancelotChan]

Thanks for the video. I literally suck when it comes to ground attack decisions. My only correct choices were involved with aerial combat and flying home. LOL. Very educative in your explanation of the correct choice and I've learned a couple things. Thanks!

[@TJ3]

In some, there are certainly multiple choices that might be acceptable :)

[@LancelotChan]

@@TJ3 and I got your mail too. :) Ex-wife is very happy that the stamp that came with it is very beautiful and proceed to collect it.

[@gsp8489]

I elected to hold back a reserve element in case enemy fighters appeared, knowing that the p47 would not fare well in a low and slow dogfight. Oh, look what happened in the next scenario. I think I'd tell Doris all about it.

[@sinks90]

Yeah I’d be sure to turn into the attack to help my wingman. As I’d hope for the same if under the same pressure. Two P47’s continuing the attack is better than one. The artillery batteries won’t be going anywhere, but your wingman only has one chance. Unless he’s close to the cloud cover. Be throttle down. Nosing in putting a lead on the lead FW, and shaking them off the wingman. Then the wingman hopefully coming around onto the no FW now on my tail, and finishing them off. Then returning to expend any ammunition on the batteries. But war doesn’t always go to plan. Brilliant as always.

[@alessandrostoppa6728]

The p47 had poor climb rate, with two fw 190s on the six, climbing towards the clouds, unless close to the p47, would be dangerous as well, also because they might have accumulated speed from the dive. While with a turn they could overshoot.

[@yanderexrandom6865]

I love these types of videos! The 1st 2 scenarios I got wrong, I chose to fly above the clouds knowing damn well the possibility of missing the target but my thought process was the element of surprise was more important. As for the 2nd I chose to have planes in reserve in case enemy fighters entered the equation. All other scenarios I guessed correctly though!

[@razorback20]

Yep, keeping at least a section on top cover was also my decision, in case bandits pop out of nowhere. And, oh guess what? That's exactly what happened. 😆

[@AmodeusR]

To be honest, keeping the planes in reserve didn't seem as a bad idea, considering the followed sequence was exactly enemy fighters approaching the battlefield.

[@harrisonpowers4265]

@@AmodeusR That's what I thought as well, have a group of fighters harass the Primary Target, while you have a couple of buddies do a circuit and scan for other aerial threats. So I highly disagree that I am wrong in that case...

[@m_0714]

I chose the option to recue the other P-47s from the enemies because I'm sure that even if they know what the primary objectives are, I assume that they would still also come to rescue me. The AAs are deadly but it is easier to get out of their range than to outrun the fighters (I'm no expert, so I believe I might be wrong here). I also believe that friends and squadron mates look for each other all the time.

[@charlessmith9903]

My great grandfather was 101st 327th Gliders in this battle. These boys helped keep my grandfather alive so my hats immediately off to them. As far as this goes I think it would be safe to say I'm a better Mustang pilot.

[@ryansta]

Very entertaining and definitely something that could become a regular piece.

[@lucars2856]

I think you should try to help your wingmen because if the 190s kill them the mission likely won’t have the same success rate (not as many planes attacking the ground targets) and they (190s) could come after you and shoot you down

[@Silkstep]

I love these videos! You give excellent analysis of the choices and tell a great story while doing so. I survived this one, and only came close to a bad decision once, but survived. Thank you for the adventure.

[@TJ3]

Thank you!

[@anti-Russia-sigma]

As I flew into the clouds on the 1st choice I may have lived/died.As wing mounted guns are ill suited for stationery targets,the jug has good defence against bandits & the friend I may save could help complete the mission,I chased the bandits.Nose mounted guns are better suited for such targets.

[@weissrw1]

Great idea about giving the viewer options!!!! Really draws you in!!!

[@TJ3]

Glad you think so!

[@AgentTokyo78]

Situational awareness, as well as sticking to your wingman, helps. And hoping your leader is battle hardened

[@americanpatriot2422]

Outstanding "Can you Survive" Series.

[@thecursed01]

yeah no- you do not abandon your wingman to an enemy. either that enemy will kill you after killing your wingman, or your wignman will kill you after landing, if he survived

[@GTX1123]

P47 pilot George Sutcliffe was able to escape a large gaggle of over 30 bf109's at very low altitude in one of the scenarios presented in this video. He did this by executing a series of spiraling climbs, dives and rolls via leveraging the Bolt's paddle prop, water-methanol injection and superior roll rate and dive characteristics. Facing the bf109 in that situation was IMHO, FAR WORSE due to its lethal nose mounted cannon which the FW190 did not have. The Bolt could take a lot of punishment but wouldn't last nearly as long when being raked by the bf109's cannon vs what was normally the FW190's smaller caliber machine guns. We're not talking one, two, three or four bf109's but OVER THIRTY. Sutcliffe's ultimate goal was to climb into what was a very low cloud celing to escape what would have been his sure demise against such lopsided odds. For over 15 agonizing minutes he evaded one slashing attack after another whenever one of the 109's would leave one of the two lufberys they had formed. Sutcliffe's mastery of the P47's strengths was so effective that he even managed to bag a 109 in the process. Sutcliffe showed that by leveraging the Jug's strengths it could outperform German fighters even at lower altitudes where German fighters performed well.

[@_R-R]

I survived. 1.) C. You can still see targets. I've flown in, not piloted, small aircraft yet still got this one right. 2.) B. The more guns, the better. And divide up enemy fire. 3.) A. I didn't know about the P-47 v F-190 tests, yet knew the F-190 was much more agile. And locking up is death. 4.) Your objective. 5.) We presently have control, and I don't want to end up a POW. And we're flying the P-47, not called a flying tank for nothing. 6.) Shopkeepers tend to be organized, and I'm not. I might learn a thing or two.

[@believer4445]

He said no immanent danger, leave your buddies in trouble

[@mrmeowmeow710]

1 hell of a video loved it 1 big thumbs up

[@adamtruong1759]

14:15 TJ3: You can see damage throughout your P-47. Me: No I don't. 14:19 (20 mm AA hits) Also me: Yes I do.

[@kortisbraun9798]

Nice work reminds of Command Decisions. Pretty good graphics too. You must have the yarnhub team working for you.

[@sturmtruppe5005]

13:15 I kinda disagree. Yeah, going after the trucks would be a waste of ammo, but helping your wingman should be priority. Save him, and you'll have another P-47 able to attack the primary target while also saving a young man's life.

[@brotheriii6133]

I survived but I messed up by chasing the FW-190s to aid my fellow fighters instead of attacking to AA positions.

[@BullGator-kd6ge]

Your wingmen would thank you.

[@brotheriii6133]

​@@BullGator-kd6ge I would agree

[@danwallach8826]

Got 'em all right. Hello, Doris!

[@mcdonnelldouglasf-4ephanto607]

I love these type of videos! Please don't stop making them

[@RedneckSith]

Based on the information given, completing the mission objective was the best choice. Just because you see your squadmates engaged with the enemy doesn't mean they're in trouble. They very well could've had the situation well in hand. Also, taking out those guns means they're not firing at your wingmen OR possibly the next attack wave, plus eliminating those AA emplacements could potentially save more lives during the upcoming battle, both in the air and on the ground. Helping your men out is definitely something every CO should do whenever possible, but you have to look at the bigger picture first. Sucks, but that's war. If decisions like that were easy, there'd be a lot more officers running around. Of course, if I knew that Market Garden would be a massive failure, I'd definitely go help them out, haha.

[@TJ3]

Agreed!

[@ruehl3853]

Gotta celebrate with Doris the doll faced nurse 😍🥰

[@PutThePastel]

In my opinion, the correct alternative on the 190 scenario would be option B. Why: They came out of cloud cover, that means they were diving, consequently they're very fast, limiting the pitch authority. I know the 190 had great high speed handling but lowering flaps and doing a sharp turn would've made them both not connect shots on you. Option A which is taken as the right one is just not right, climbing when a diving aircraft is coming behind you is just a death sentence, and they could just climb and dive again at another of your mates or even at you, if you went above the clouds. Well, that's just my opinion.

[@ryanhampson673]

The A-10 is most commonly know as the “warthog” but it’s official name is the Thunderbolt II in honor of the Jugs close air support history.

[@CaptNumbNutz]

I'm curious about the story behind the pic @2:45. He's holding a M1911 pistol with a front grip and a magazine that looks like it holds 30+ rounds.

[@simescales]

If F190 came down from the clouds, they would get higher speeds because of diving from the higher altitude. If you try to go up to the clouds you will lose more energy than them. Also in that case, if you try to out turn them you will probably force them to overshoot, and you will have a tighter turn than them because of their diving from clouds they will be faster.

[@chriswilliams2652]

I got it on with the nurse. She taught me a think or two!

[@anti-Russia-sigma]

FYI.As the Allies should have used nose mounted guns,instead of wing mounted guns,on stationery targets,the Mosquito/the Lightning should have been used on AAA targets,especially if the warplanes have rocket launchers.RAF Mosquitos were used often for stationery targets.

[@svt9800]

After years playing battlefield, when flying planes, one lesson i learned fast, was unless you are a cheater using aimbot, you always take out the aa guns even if no one is maning them, and if you are pursing and enemy plane and you start getting hit with flak you, abort the pursue and try to take out the aa first. Guess my instics werent that off.

[@mr_rock4353]

These vids are awsome keep up the great work

[@TJ3]

Thanks!

[@TheFunkhouser]

Haha that was really cool! (With those choices I guess I wouldve made it back 😌😇🙏) Along with the Mk14 Spitfire, P51D and RAF Mozzie, the P47D is my hero plane 🦾👊😍

[@sneakycactus8815]

this video gave me quite a few dopamine hits! i love having my knowledge tested like this. i correctly chose for 4/5 of the prompts, but failed the 4th one. but i still count it as the correct answer as i chose to go after the 190s, which in my mind was the highest priority since i could not leave my wingmen to die as their commander. while the flak guns were important to knock out, without wingmen you are good as dead in a chaotic furball mixed with flak. i find it difficult to believe that any CO worth their salt could look at this situation and pick the trucks or flak guns over their wingmen. maybe thats just me though. im not the most knowledgeable individual in terms of military strategy nor have i gone to officer school. but given that my knowledge of world war 2 and airplanes correctly saw me through the prompts, i cant say for certain that im wrong.

[@radicaljellyfish4435]

You could argue that even though taking out the flak guns is your primary objective, running in and strafing the FW 190’s attacking your buddies would be the wiser option for several reasons 1. Aircraft can travel basically anywhere whereas the flak cannot. You can dive low (or high in the clouds as previously chosen) and get out of the sights of the flak, but an FW 190 can easily stay on your six as previously mentioned. 2. The first option was stated as being to attack the AA in groups (I could also argue the answer for that as well). Since there would still be AA guns, if you decided to save your buddies first, you could easily do more attack waves.

[@TJ3]

Yes, I agree looking back that this choice is also correct.

[@radicaljellyfish4435]

@@TJ3 Oops sorry didn’t read the pinned comment. Not trying to bash you or anything. You’re also going off events that happened. Thank you for the content though. I sincerely appreciate and enjoy it.

[@bubiruski8067]

No P47 Thunderbolt can be a proud pilot !

[@zacsawesomeworld2767]

I started the video thinking I’m not very good at ground attack operations but I went threw the video without one wrong.

[@jimc6687]

TJ: Would it be too controversial to make a couple of these challenge survival episodes from the perspective of some of our enemy's greatest fighters like the Zero or 190 or especially the ME 262!!?? I'm positive these could be super cool, and our fighter pilots most definitely had a ton of respect for these great planes even though these were flown by our brutal enemies! Jim C.

[@TJ3]

On my to do list already! Anyone who thinks that is controversial is silly.

[@jimc6687]

@@TJ3 Then would it be too controversial if I answer, "All three, please!!" at the end of this video, TJ???!!! :>) Jim C.

[@MGB-learning]

Great video

[@ronaldwatson1951]

Great idea I got one wrong , good video

[@jimb8904]

Hello... these. Video.s. are. Very. Original... good. Idea.. gives. Someone. Something. To. Think. About. Have. A. Nice. Day...

[@ScoutSniper3124]

Ground attack typically would involve splitting the flight and attacking from two or more directions. It makes it hard for the AA gunners to fix on which is the current threat, and severely degrades their defenses. A good example of this is the Israeli attack on the Iraqi nuclear facility.

[@benthomas2232]

I got the second, third and fourth questions wrong. I chose option C for question 2, Option B for question 3 and option C for question 4. Protecting your wingmen and keeping a portion of my fighters in reserve if hostile fighters arrive is in my opinion the most important decisions to make. I got Question 3 wrong because i was unaware that the FW190 could Out-Turn the P47.

[@jaylinbrown1978]

I got two of the 5 questions wrong because "I have the heart of a fighter pilot who likes to dogfight".

[@RogueAce93]

Another great vid!! Also, I didn’t know that the FW-190 could’ve turned on a dime with the P-47 at lower altitudes. Thnx for that little lesson bcuz I got that one wrong. Also, I’d celebrate with Doris.

[@parsananmon]

Will u do Pacific front videos too? I know Il-2 doesnt have pacific front content so which game u gonna use for footage if u decide to make?

[@VictorLonmo]

This is a great video format TJ3. I chose to turn instead of gaining altitude but otherwise chose the right options... Hopefully a real pilot would make the right choice.

[@jaggedskar3890]

I did as well, counting on the FW 190's to overshoot since they would likely be coming in at a greater speed. I know the Thunderbolt's low altitude's performance isn't that great so turning skyward would present an easier target and I'm not sure the Thunderbolt would have enough juice to escape in time.

[@Bathi_wt]

i would likely get court-martialed rather than loosing my wingmen so i choose to aid my wingmen fighting against the 190 s .😭😭i just cant loose friends

[@TJ3]

Fair enough!

[@Bathi_wt]

@@TJ3 thanks

[@destroyerarmor]

Attack the D point ☝️

[@dvinson1029]

I think as co I would have more info and more options. Info like number of planes in the flight so I know what I have to work with. But I would have said not keep half the force in reserve but there was a formation used in the past called section and stinger and I would like to make a variation on that. Peal off like two planes (preferably more air to air skilled pilots) to remain out of range of the flak and cover the main flight while the main attack split in to a section for each target and split up attacking from different vectors slightly staggered for safety sake (collisions no bueno) but not staggered enough that the guns have time to traverse. but that's just my silly idea.

[@hariszark7396]

For sure option B... Doris!! 😉

[@EttoreB93]

Since the FW would've presumably came in fast while diving, let's say at 700kmh, and after the strike the p47 would be at maybe 4/500kmh, I think I would've tried to make them overshoot slowing down and skidding/banking side to side while using flaps, as climbing with an energy disadvantage and a fast bandit behind is super dangerous! Also I'd have helped my fellow pilots, you can't (and "do not want" hopefully) leave them in danger willingly, even if this delays the taking out of the flaks which yes are a constant danger but less than the enemy bandits. But those are my 2 cents

[@luciochambisoria1121]

Awesomeee!!!! 🙌🙌🙌👍

[@Milumani]

Ayyy got them all right,btw imma chose the nurse yk ;)

[@spitfire1358]

I survived, great video!

[@AqTnet]

Hi TJ so far i have made the right choice in each video.Also i picked the shopkeeper.As they say in WW2 nice gams.lol😊

[@mrs6968]

Cool concept

[@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu]

P-47 was good for making aces, and survival. Give me a Jug over a Stang ANYDAY. 👍

[@autiblebow4797]

With the P-47 vs. the 190, I imagine the P-47 is the American equivalent of the Russian IL-2. So yes, it can turn fight, but not at low speed with low altitude.

[@Night-211]

Tj, can you please do a video on how you create your videos and all of the planes you have unlocked in war thunder. And if possible can you explain to beginners on how to unlock better planes. Please

[@TJ3]

Hello! Really, you have to either grind for a little while to earn the planes, or buy some golden eagles. Join me on a Twitch stream and I'll be happy to answer questions. Join the discord in my video descriptions to be alerted when I am streaming.

[@schunkelperser1794]

all choices made wise 👍

[@timf6916]

Nice video

[@infoscholar5221]

You want to escape the Pursuer. You are the pursuant. And B. Doris. because the nurse, every time.

[@robertring4252]

I respect what the narrator says about mission part two . However, he stated that after being jumped by the pair of FW 190's, option A is correct... immediately climb for cloud cover. I vehemently disagree. Yes, moving for cover is an overall objective. But they have the altitude and speed advantage and as soon as you nose up, they will nose a little higher, and blow you out of the sky. Your best move was option B... turn into the attack. Not to necessarily engage in a dogfight, but with the enemy is at dive speed, turning into the attack will cause them to overshoot. Then you have time (hopefully) to make it to cloud cover.

[@china9460]

Make a video about, will you survive on board an F4U Corsair?

[@alexnovak3319]

i mean...its a cool video i love these kind of videos,but the thing is i sometimes pick a "wrong" decision cuz i dont have enough info...with th focke wulfs on my 6 you didnt tell us whats my speed, altitude, distance to could cover and so on...

[@ThePeanut999]

What variant of the p47 were they using?

[@capitainsheep1137]

im one of the 3 capture lol damn i knew that p47 was tough but that choice would surely been a 50/50 on come home and crash land because im not dying and my plane is not dying too

[@KingHorus378]

What is the music name after the intro ?

[@HarryWHill-GA]

I got all four right. Not too bad for a ship driver.

[@Denisoiul33]

At 11:06 I kinda disagree because the fw190 would have much more energy than u and if u pull up he can easily catch u up couse he is much faster and thats why I got option b couse till u get to the cloud ur pretty much dead

[@Seagull780]

I don't get the second choice. It seems like the worst option. I thought C was the best as there's probably more than one flak emplacement in the area and having a second group ready to strike at any other guns that start firing seems useful. But if you do focus entirely on this one gun, sure spread out but why attack in waves? The flak can only point in one direction at ant given time so it can only fire at one plane at a time. By coming in waves you allow the gun to target a larger proportion of each wave, whereas if we came in a single well spread out wave it should minimise the ability of the gun to do damage to us while allowing us to get shots on target as soon as possible.

[@shark_yvo8247]

For the first videoo on the p51d, i really appreciate, but for my personnal opinion, in this video, the second choice, the option C can be the best if you not send the half of your squadron, but at least two plane (one p47 with his wingman) in reserve to protect the others p47 from potential enemies fighters while their attacking the AA. The third choice is a real problem for me, if your choose option A like you want in this video, with the enemy fw190 directly on your 6, go climb into the cloud, except if you are really close to it, that is not the case in this video, you will present a much more better target for the enemy than the other two option, and get yourself kill. The C is getting you kill for sure too, but the B, for me it's better, because, you don't want too out turn them in a long fight, but turning while diving will give them a hard shot in the first place, even if fly in a p47 at low alt. You just want to get you survive the first pass, that is not possible in option A, and let the time to your wingman to help you, even if the fw190 will follow your turn, and kill you in a long fight, you will let the time to your wingman to come in, and made them potentially break off. For the other choices, I had nothing to complain about, great job for this video.

[@rickden8362]

I find it hard to believe there was no alternative landing area in allied area in France or Belgium instead of flying all the way back to England(over water) in a badly shot-up bird, even if it is a Jug.

[@dvinson1029]

so its an early version of a SEAD mission?

[@PNUPFN]

Jane and I are celebrating!

[@jamesTBurke]

Um no. You NEVER LEAVE YOUR WINGMAN. The main threat is indeed the aircraft because if they kill your wingman then you're easy pickings.