The Imitations of Optimus Prime and Megatron

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[@mrheroprimes]

that one variation on Megabolt Makes it sound like he's supposed to be like Brainiac in a sense absorbing the knowledge of an entire planet.

[@haydenreviewscustomcombos]

So, in Japanese fiction, there were basically a pantheon of primes.

[@santinorodriguez2556]

Yes

[@ShadowWingTronix]

Funny thing is that's also how it works in the semilore of my toy collection. Each unit (aka subline) has its own Prime, usually based on the Japanese name and replacing "Convoy" with Prime. For example, Fire Convoy is Fire Prime, Grand Convoy is Grand Prime, etc.

[@oliverhendrix8176]

That reminds of how Transformers Animated used Prime and Magnus as ranks.

[@dubuyajay9964]

There is in some 'Umerican continuities too.

[@dubuyajay9964]

02:13. Thrust. G1, Unicron Trilogy, Beast Wars Neo, Beast Machines.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

When it comes to mega-clones, no one can match the might of Megastorm, Duke of destruction!

[@Lazrael32]

I prefer Gigastorm personally. lol but then they are a trypticon clone instead.

[@robrice7246]

Galvatron: *YOU TALK TOO MUCH!!!*

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

20:22 I would LOVE an official figure of this.

[@Red_Kaiju_Lord]

If we include imitations from outside transformers, look no further than Zenon from Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad/Gridman

[@Nausicaafan-go6lq]

Also Guardion from Brave Fighbird, although he might've originally been a concept for a combining prime when you think about how Brave reused G1 and unreleased G1 figures...

[@MadnessHEROReverend]

Yeah... no.. zennon has more of a metroplex style head. Body style is completely different as well. at a stretch, I suppose you could say it looks like God ginrai

[@aweirdredtoad3637]

​@MadnessHEROReverend I see a mix of Prime and Star Saber more than Metroplex.

[@MadnessHEROReverend]

@aweirdredtoad3637 hmmm.. yeah I could see that a bit. More star saber than Prime though

[@epicbanana3669]

Wasn’t Archforce retconned into being the clone of Megatron from British Marvel G1? The same clone who A: was retconned into being a clone in the first place, and B: retconned into being Galvatron? If so, then Archforce is Marvel Galvatron.

[@rayvenkman2087]

A retcon of a retcon of a retcon.

[@windsweeper8002]

Depends on the fiction. It's obscure but it's official.

[@epicbanana3669]

@@windsweeper8002 yeah. I think it was "Ask Vector Prime" or something. Either way, I find the idea of Galvatron secretly being Archforce hilarious.

[@windsweeper8002]

@@epicbanana3669 It's an interesting take. There's been a lot of retcons and repurposes in recent years but as long as they're official, I'm usually OK with them. Still head wrecking just going through them all but interesting none the less.

[@uainjansun]

And megaplex was confirmed to be megatron's clone and the one in charge

[@haydenreviewscustomcombos]

I can’t wait for a Power Rangers figure to imitate either Optimus prime or Megatron.

[@zphyr6780]

I’d love to see more stories about a decepticon who’s sole purpose is to be Megatrons body double and goes through an identity crisis

[@charlestonjew7587]

I love Transformers video retrospects that have to acknowledge Kiss Players at some point and wince the whole time doing so. "It exists. It's canon and you have to live with that knowledge."

[@TFfangeek]

Let's not forget Megazarak, the fustion of G1 Scorponok's Headmaster Lord Zarak and Armada Megatron. Also Magnus Prime, the Ginrai repaint from the Titans Return line.

[@Lazrael32]

The weird thing about "sureshot" is that holiday optimus was a great chance to remake it. Sure the legs would be backwords but i'd be willing to buy the mold again Shotimus Prime. It looks great as a "g1" optimus and anyone who got it for that is fine, but i just didn't need another g1 style optimus personally.

[@TornaitSuperBird]

Think it was originally supposed to be Sureshot, but keep in mind it's a officially licensed figure by Volvo.

[@Lazrael32]

@@TornaitSuperBird my understanding is it was supposed to be an amazon truck. but something fell through but they already payed for the license. so we got holiday and g1 optimus.

[@GamerBro-gn6su]

What about japan’s favorite decepticon Femme with a squad that helps her become a combiner, Megaempress?

[@grayj7441]

The green one "Megabolt" is Emissary Megabolt- Herald of Unicron.

[@robrice7246]

17:36 He did show up in IDW's 19 comic as one of Turmoil's soldiers. I also believe there were plans from BotCon to make a new version of him from Prime: Dreadwing.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

In my “Transformers: Evolution Revolution” story (think DC’s Kingdom Come; the Autobots and Decepticons are forced into a truce against a Quintesson-generated second generation parodying the worst aspects of the Bayverse, TFP, and 2016-2018 IDW), there are imitators of Optimus and Megatron. Megatron has Archforce, a humble, soft-spoken and loyal general who gets offed by his Starscream equivalent Jhiaxus. Optimus, on the other hand, has Knightwatch. Knightwatch is a bloodthirsty, sadistic, and manipulative pastiche of Bayverse Prime (with some touches of IDW Prime’s messiah complex). He paints himself as a better Optimus, willing to have the manifolds to do what needs to be done. Unfortunately, what he deems necessary is to slaughter anything that doesn’t bear the Decepticon badge. His men are kept in line by fear of him lashing out at them the same way he does to some poor Con.

[@MildlyAggressiveOni]

That sounds interesting, is there a place I can read this?

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

Nowhere, at the moment. Still brainstorming ideas for it.

[@MildlyAggressiveOni]

@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho okay, sounds cool though

[@bobsdungeon5018]

I have the purple tank Megatron. I made the mistake of allowing my brother to borrow him a couple of years ago to take some pictures of it for something he was working on. When I got him back, my brother had lost Megatron's gun and his missles.

[@joaolucasnascimentoleite2831]

You know Guilthor could be brought back in a future series if they give him the nemesis prime from the collectors club comics treatment

[@rayvenkman2087]

I’d make him a Decepticon who starts out like his Manga self before undergoing a quest to find his own purpose in life. Perhaps becoming Big Bang or Hyperdrive.

[@joaolucasnascimentoleite2831]

@@rayvenkman2087 That would be awesone if they make this in the future.

[@robrice7246]

I remember seeing a video from Ia-con Online about including him in some fan story.

[@rayvenkman2087]

@@joaolucasnascimentoleite2831 Hyperdrive is pretty much an Optimus Prime-wannabe character that would have been out in the same year as Thunderclash. So making him originally be of Quintesson and Decepticon origin would be a good shake up by making him a rebuilt Guilthor akin to Greatshot being a rebuilt Sixshot. I think in another video, someone suggested him as a member of Primus’ equivalent to the Heralds of Unicron and I suggested Guilthor as someone who seeks his purpose with him being the newest member; looking his own self. With Hyperdrive, I gave him the ability to effectively give everyone within an area Burning Justices like it’s Dragon’s Hustle from P4G if their Sparks have the heroism in them to accept it including even Decepticons and raise their fighting spirits.

[@RubenAssassinRose]

what about characters like pyro?

[@RetroRobotRadio]

Beast Wars had Optimus Primal, Lio Convoy and Big Convoy as stand ins for Optimus Prime.

[@Traph]

I was today years old when I found out that Pepsi Prime is supposed to be a seperate character. "Pepsi is the right of all sentient beings."

[@KamenRiderSeiryuXV0]

I had Pepsi Convoy in my collection. Even had TF Legends God Ginrai in Choujin Masterforce.

[@wyldefyr4116]

I wonder if Pepsi Prime is of any relation to Pepsiman....my favorite bad game to watch speedruns of.

[@RetroRobotRadio]

I might mention the original Optimus Prime imitator... Ultra Magnus!

[@Ranma_Leopard]

Very intriguing video

[@RetroRobotRadio]

Archforce and Sureshot do have slightly different stickers from Megatron and Optimus.

[@TheACcam]

The funniest thing about Ginrai to me was what they did to him in Transformers Victory. Talk about impersonating Optimus.....

[@bowserbreaker2515]

I enjoy your videos because stuff like this shows me things I have never heard of before.

[@1505627]

I'm not very up on the nitty gritty of his G1 toy, but does Ultra-Magnus count as an example of this?

[@windsweeper8002]

I would say so. They're not the same character but Magnus's G1 cab is a mostly white repaint of Optimus Prime. Said white cab can also double as Optimus Prime covered in the heat plague resistant alloy from the Return of Optimus Prime.

[@robrice7246]

What about characters that have Optimus Prime/Megatron based head sculpts?

[@grayj7441]

The small yellow Fire Convoyvis a different Prime. She...

[@TheEverythingEnthuiast]

Pepsi Convoy should be in the next Transformers movie

[@TomMSTie1138]

Kiss Players: the best punchline in the Transformers franchise.🤣🤣🤣

[@ironrex6979]

I think the later years of IDW give it a run for it’s money. Lost Light was an embarrassment. It did a lot of characters dirty.

[@Rabbitlord108]

I honestly wish Pepsi Convoy would be reimagined as a Headmaster. With Pepsiman as his partner.

[@ethanmiller5469]

Seeker Megatron

[@tonyfiorilli2270]

I thought the video was titled "limitations" of and I spent the entire video being confused lol

[@RichLuciano1]

It looks like 50 gallons of Pepsi in his hand.

[@nobodyimportant5140]

You missed a couple details. Legion were created from Galvatron cells that were scattered around the earth when Galvatron crashed into Tokyo and exploded, not from Unicron directly. As for Sureshot, there is a lore reason why he looks like Optimus. Sureshot suffers from a cybertronian mental disorder called “Primus Apotheosis”, a mental disorder that causes the afflicted to believe that they are a Prime, usually Optimus specifically. Getaway from the IDW comics also suffered from this.

[@charlestonjew7587]

Rodimus has one hell of an arm if he managed to toss Galvatron, not only through Unicron from the inside but all the way from Cybertronian space to Earth.

[@thomasthompson2431]

Wasn't the Cybertron satellite promo the one that released all the recoloured MP matrix as the matrices weilded by the Primes.

[@MrDoctorVK]

Wouldn't be surprised if somehow.. Gilthor would get legit toy, high odds from Selects.

[@shawnhamilton8585]

Armada Predacon was a repaint of Beast Wars Trans Metal Megatron

[@windsweeper8002]

I loved the Robotmasters line back in the day. As I type this, I've just pulled Gigant Bomb and the oversized Air Hunter and Wingstun out of storage. Air Hunter being a a repaint of Machine Wars Megatron. I'd love to see the various repaints applied to Nitro Zeus and the Megatron Titanmaster. RID also repainted Archforce as Bludgeon and MW Megatron as Windshear. Given that RID falls canonically into G1, I see the various RID characters as Neo-G1. My own head canon liked to imagine RID Bludgeon as the G1 character having bring rebuilt after his destruction by Megatron. He modified his appearance to mimic Megatron in a distorted attempt to honour the one who defeated him and as a mark of loyalty. The original Beast Wars crocodile Megatron was meant to be the G1 character. BW Megatron was repainted as the Dinobot T-Wrecks, a separate character again, and a good guy. Transmetal Megatron was repainted as the Armada Decepticon of unknown origin who promoted the benefits of techno organic bodies. He was officially repurposed as the G1 character Preditron. Never been a fan of the Prime look-alikes usually because they're usually just echoes of Prime himself like Optimus Primal or Lio Convoy. The iconic helmet and faceplate make them look too similar.

[@Karlos1234ify]

Truck not Monkey!

[@EddyBamber]

Went on google to see what was censored on the Legion picture….. Good god 😐

[@RialVestro]

Pepsi isn't carbonated sugar water... unless you get the Mexican version where they actually use real sugar. No American Pepsi uses syrup as a sugar substitute as if that makes it any healthier than just straight sugar. Also Sure Shot and other similar characters who already have different names in the U.K. really makes me question, if the U.K. can get away with doing that why is it we can't have Slag anymore? I mean the whole reason for changing his name was to not offend people in the U.K. but this kind of proves the character can have a different name over there than here in the U.S. did we lose the ability to rename characters exclusively in the U.K.? I'm surprised you didn't mention Optimus Primal, Leo Prime/Lio Convoy, Big Convoy, and Great Convoy. I mean you did talk about the BW characters who were intentional copies of Megatron but not the MANY characters who were all intentionally designed to resemble Optimus Prime. There's even more than the ones I just named but outside of Great Convoy, the other robe wearing members of the Convoy Council weren't officially named in fiction.

[@robrice7246]

7:23/8:23/8:48 Fiction wise, doesn't this take place in the Aligned/TF: Prime continuity?

[@aceofshovels5873]

Would T-Wrecks from the beast machine toy line count?

[@emilefragz1885]

I don't think you have to love war to fight to protect the innocent and freedom. It's not a contradiction at all.

[@jameskingston9134]

Nice hair

[@haydenreviewscustomcombos]

I’d like to see a Megatron in Optimus prime colors, since an Optimus prime in Megatron colors at this point is basically just a dying Optimus.

[@klunk279]

Do you have any thoughts on beast wars optimus minor?

[@nitromenace1424]

MP-44 Pepsi Convoy when?

[@violagreene4643]

ZZ? As in Ziv Zulander?

[@takanuinuva]

Not what I was expecting with this. Was thinking more it being from a writing aspect with the characters. Read it as limitations.

[@jacobgarnett1297]

For optimus prime imation you forgot toxitron

[@RetroRobotRadio]

Beast Wars Megatron is literally copying Megatron down to the name! Plus a rare heroic Megatron copycat... Beast Machines T-Wrecks! Transmetal Megatron gave rise to Armada Predacon. TransMetal 2 Megatron gave rise to Cryotek.

[@Nausicaafan-go6lq]

Primal Prime? Cryotek?

[@autobotzapof0002]

Man, the Pepsi verse is odd…

[@willtws9577]

TJ TJ YOU USED THE WRONG IMAGE FOR MEGAPLEX TJ NOOOOOOO

[@TJOmega]

I actually didn't, that's his package art, they were just really weird with the artwork in Machine Wars.

[@willtws9577]

@@TJOmega wait, so the blue one got the Grey artwork and the Grey one got the blue artwork?

[@violagreene4643]

@@willtws9577 yep. Was probably meant to have the grey one as Megatron, but the toys got swapped and the art didn't.

[@willtws9577]

Huh. Machine wars was weird, eh?

[@azulx2936]

Pepsi Prime