Is the BBC Dying?

[@meatbap]

Honestly, I have never called it ''the beeb'' and hopefully never will

[@SnazzBot]

You just did.

[@meatbap]

@@SnazzBot doesn't count, had my fingers crossed

[@ZeeManifold]

The beeb is a very interesting with it's biased left wing reporting

[@Eurobazz]

Calling it "The Beeb" or "Aunty", are acceptable and affectionate terms used by Brits.

[@artsed08]

It's not all about you. I know you think it is, but it isn't.

[@jeremymanson1781]

The problem with advertising is that broadcasters dare not upset their multi-national corporate paymasters by revealing any true but negative news involving those paymasters.

[@Jonas-sw8mj]

BBC shows that tax funded news can become corrupted and politicised as well. I don't trust them and won't watch anymore. They are unreliable and won't be missed.

[@Jonas-sw8mj]

...from the ridiculous coverage of Gaza.

[@TheLooking4sunset]

Someone read Chomsky 👍

[@EverettBurger]

Couldn't you say the same thing in regards to political parties? If one party shovels truckloads of money to your organization and the other wants to cut your budget, will there be impartial reporting on said parties?

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Remember, as way of achieving rough objectivity watch only channels which are demonetized as the author made big business unhappy or even better seal of approval is being banished to alt-tech.

[@Canario_27]

The year is 2030, TLDR buys what is left of the BBC

[@joehoe222]

Make it a self fulfilling prophecy!

[@ibvghgfvbnbc]

Please, this channel is better than the Bastard Broadcasting Corp

[@cephalopad]

All public broadcasters should be beholden to the public, NOT advertisers!

[@ZeeManifold]

Commie

[@bobhob35]

I think the problem is it believes it’s not beholden to anyone

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Are you sure that' your wish? The public wants them defunded...

[@Crispman_777]

@@ZeeManifold Y'know that's not an insult on its own, right?

[@michaelwhittaker5537]

All government funded media should immediately cease to exist.

[@mrmr446]

I can remember the host on a BBC show declaring 'there is no alternative to austerity' as if most countries hadn't reacted differently to the banking crisis, too many examples to list of bias and poor reporting while always reacting badly when criticised. It has been afraid of successive governments since Blair after coverage of the run up to invading Iraq was deemed too critical, if it can't stand up for itself it wont survive.

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

People love the BBC for its lies, propaganda, hate for those that fund it and disgusting lack of ethics

[@DaDARKPass]

Most of Europe had reacted in the same way - they all followed austerity.

[@mrmr446]

@@DaDARKPass only Greece had same reaction

[@shafsteryellow]

@@DaDARKPass why Erdoğan is right

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

@@shafsteryellow yes, but UK beats Turkey in several key areas including political corruption, knife crime, and vomit-covered pavements

[@RTDoh5]

I still have good memories of listening to the BBC World Service on my shortwave radio. Taught me a lot about the world.

[@yux.tn.3641]

the radio service is still alright though

[@MrKingkz]

My step dad says this all the time but i would argue that they have not changed with the times they still talk and sound like its the 1950s they refuse to update and wonder why more then 70% under the age of 40 dont bother with the BBC

[@ibvghgfvbnbc]

Ew

[@guyjeffries7168]

I find it extremely unlikely that tory MP's are genuinely concerned the BBC is "financially unfair".

[@6thwilbury2331]

Okay, I was confused by the same and wondered if this was another difference between the UK and US. Here in 'Murica, it's more likely that the Dems, not the GOP, would oppose what is essentially a regressive tax.

[@alexswanson7127]

​@@6thwilbury2331 The key point is that regardless of what they might publicly claim, Labour knows perfectly well that the BBC is left wing. That's why they defend it so fanatically.

[@Lemonyora]

@@alexswanson7127the BBC isn’t left wing. It’s centrist with a pro conservative establishment objective. It’s not left. It doesn’t support socialism or equality or whatever. Just because it’s has some black people working for it doesn’t mean it’s a fundamentally left wing organisation. It does try hard to be neutral and only present facts. Objectively tho it is very much centre right with its life long conservative head and executives. It’s designed to protect the interests and institutions of the establishment such as the monarchy. The issue today is that in recent years the right hardliners have taken control of society and imported MAGA style politics causing a shift to the far-right of the spectrum thus making it their new mainstream, where as labour have been shifting closer to the centre under starmer. Labour are no longer leftist and will run the country much the same as the tories have done.

[@Lemonyora]

Essentially labour is kinda turning into the democrats and the conservatives into the GOP. It all sucks honestly. Britain is not America im tired of this nation acting like it’s baby.

[@alexswanson7127]

@@Lemonyora The BBC may not be as left wing as you are personally but they still are and have been for decades. During the 1980s, for example, Newsnight was obsessed with South African apartheid and ran many articles on it, but almost completely ignored Communist human rights violations in Eastern Europe. There was a period of several years when I personally engaged with them to try and get impartiality or at least factual accuracy but failed because the left wing culture was too embedded. On one occasion I was subjected to a ten minute rant from a (then) household name for not holding the left wing views he did, with the accusation that I only disgareed because of my alleged privileged background, something that existed only in his own delusional mind. As for society now being taken to the Right, that also is delusional. I've been interested in politics for over fifty years now and both the Labour and Conservative parties are clearly more left wing now than they have been for forty years. You only have to look at the way they're prepared to spend unbelievable amounts of money on pretty much anything except defence, and the total lack of will to enforce immigration laws.

[@matthewparker9276]

Advertising funding for the bbc is a terrible idea. Yesterday an interveiw aired on the abc with the ceo of australia's biggest advertiser, in which he made it clear he expected his statements to be censored. The interveiwer refused, because they have no need of the advertising, but if not... Media funded by advertising is too easily compromised.

[@jackdeniston59]

Alternative please?

[@Charlie43348]

@@jackdeniston59 Subscription - the model for the BBC now

[@sayachan6069]

@@jackdeniston59 Easy just fund the BBC, it has flaws but you are getting a bargin for what is being paid for, its more than just the news arm.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

I thought that for all practical purposes they had been compromised long time ago...

[@Enover5]

@@jackdeniston59 The currently unpopular one. By need, not plebiscite, just like its annual increase.

[@marcussver620]

People are tired of seeing biased news that only praises one side and fails to see the mistakes of the people they admire, instead of acknowledging that both sides make mistakes from time to time.

[@wpjohn91]

Or all the time. Both sides just go from on scandal to another

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Just you know, you are not forced to pay for biased minor content creators.

[@Snp2024]

​@@useodyseeorbitchute9450u are forced to pay for bbc ? Really

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

@@Snp2024 For me it's a non issue, as neither I pay nor watch it, just indirectly watch a dumpster fire that BBC recently creates with moderate amusement. Though the discussion is within Britain and based on the poll those who are forced to pay appear not to be thrilled for value for money that they receive.

[@ellbo2]

No idea if this guy is left-wing or ring-wing cos both sides criticise the BBC for bias lol

[@0greeny0001]

I wouldnt mind paying the TV license if it was a reasonable amount. They are not just funded by the TV license remeber they get money from syndication deals and advetise outside the UK. Its the same with most Publicly funded organisations. Too many people at the top on ridiculous wages. You will notice the "cuts" where all targeted at people on the lower end of the payscale.

[@marksnow7569]

All national media organisations have a basic problem relative to global media organisations: economies of scale. Hence, for example, a Netflix show which is watched by only 1 million people in the UK is financially viable because it is watched by 5 million in the US, and millions more in other countries, whereas a BBC show is usually made with a UK audience in mind, and even if exported would get much lower ratings in other countries. All public service media organisations have an additional basic problem relative to entertainment media organisations: economies of output type. For example, quite a lot of specialised work goes into making news and current affairs programmes, so Disney+ prefer to just make fun stuff instead.

[@Wozza365]

It annoys me that the only thing they're cutting are the things that only a publicly funded broadcaster can support like local radio and education. I'd pay a license if it was just those things. Like you I think they need to be cutting these salaries of the top people massively. Who cares if they walk away? The BBC doesn't make a profit from Lineker presenting football shows, so literally save millions, bring on some way cheaper alternatives. I also don't think they should be paying for the whole of big events like World Cup and the Olympics. Only matches/events UK is in and finals. Also annoys me that the 'no ads' is now like 3 minutes of trailers for their own TV shows, it's gotten way worse in the last 15 years.

[@Wozza365]

​@@marksnow7569Disney corporation owns like half the US news outlets though lol

[@marksnow7569]

@@Wozza365 _"the only thing they're cutting are the things that only a publicly funded broadcaster can support"_ Not true; those are just the things people notice. What's also happened is that the whole balance of programming has shifted towards "bang for your buck" (as explained by Richard Osman recently in his podcast with Marina Hyde). If you can shoot 5 episodes in 1 day on a single set, that's *way* cheaper than shooting 1 episode in 5 days on multiple sets, let alone 5 episodes in 5 months comparing architectural styles on 5 continents. _"cutting these salaries of the top people massively"_ How are you defining "massively"? Lineker earns £400k a year less from the Beeb than he used to, for example. _"Olympics"_ The BBC hasn't had exclusive UK rights to the Olympics for years; for Paris 2024 you'll also need a Eurosport subscription if you have specialised interests.

[@marksnow7569]

@@Wozza365 "half the US news outlets" seems quite a reach. They own ABC, and I suppose you could say ESPN offers specialist news, but for example the acquisition of Fox did not include Fox News.

[@roborob347]

Cable television itself is dying

[@E3ECO]

I cut the cord as soon as I got broadband.

[@yux.tn.3641]

yeah, just watch anything online

[@Lid_il]

really is it?

[@blakkwaltz]

people still watch cable? I had no idea

[@drew2pac]

There are so many cases of them presenting bias news, hiding sexual crimes, coverups etc. Plus we are forced to pay a licence fee in the UK and I never really find anything worth watching.

[@Septumsempra8818]

"Why does Raytheon buy ad space on Good Morning America?" Have you bought a Raytheon product recently? No. It allows them to have subtle yet effective editorial control over the programming. BBC will be subject to more of that.

[@kaiserteddie9564]

Has this happened?

[@KrisRogos]

The problem with moving to a subscription model is, what would they set the price at? The license fee works out to £13.25 per month, already more than Netflix, Disney, Amazon, Apple or NOW Entertainment. BBC is the only one people are legally mandated to pay for even if they do not watch BBC's content. Going to sub-only would mean far fewer people paying for it, so those that do would have to pay a lot more than £13 to make their numbers stack up.

[@jabezhane]

Ironically cheaper than KZbin premium...a service that makes next to none of its content.

[@KrisRogos]

@@jabezhane true, but they have a 55% revenue split with the creators. Conventional media platforms don't have that as actors and everyone else are paid per episode/season/film (tho higher view figures usually lead to better chance at renewal/next gig)

[@weird-guy]

why a subscription model instead of limited ad´s like my country and others? my public broadcaster produces programs that privates wouldnt touch they are last in viewership apart from a few time slots unlike with what happens with the bbc in the uk apparently, but you guys really really hate the license fee.

[@KrisRogos]

@@weird-guy I am actually in favour of the license fee or similar "media tax," personally. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things BBC could be doing better, but I do think the innovations it has brought over the decades and the ideals of a universal and unbiased broadcaster are worthwhile. I saw "news" bulletins on other stations, including abroad, accompanied by adverts from oil companies, pharma, sweets etc, guess what these stations only made the briefest of negative mentions of and never gave proper context to. A few decades ago, news was brought to you by tobacco companies. I would rather keep a public funding model than wait for politicians to solve the next version of this issue.

[@crapmalls]

Good

[@lilygaming_]

The BBC being tied to the TV license is a situation not to its benifit. With how aggressive the enforcement is I dont know why it isnt funded from taxation like everything else

[@nbarrett100]

I think the reason is because being directly funded by taxation would give the government too much influence. The license fee means it is directly funded by viewers (although the government sets the fee) so it's a bit murky

[@agffans5725]

DR the Danish equivalent to the English BBC have recently moved from being tied to TV license to being funded by a media income tax, which mean that it in general has become cheaper, because now everyone is forced to pay, and if you are single you are now paying less than half as much as before, because the TV license was tied to each household, with the perception that a household = 2 adults, so if you were single you were kind of paying TV license for two adults, which obviously was highly unfair.

[@agffans5725]

@@nbarrett100 .. It makes no difference if it's a TV license or by taxation, because the media tax that has been agreed upon, goes directly and automatically to the TV station, so the government is not involved in how the money is spend, the whole parliament is to some extend, because they voted for the media taxation law, and who it was to benefit and by how much.

[@toobalkain]

Licence fees are a relict of the past, in a free society people deserve the right to decide who they'll subscribe to with their money on their own.

[@johncastle2013]

We a free society, it techno feudalism.

[@gfys756]

There is no such thing as a "free society".

[@uktruecrime]

your missing the point though, the public broadcaster is there to 'inform, educate and entertain', the paid for services just provide what you want, mostly gargage. You wont get open university on Net Flix.

[@deleted-something]

People WILL always complain about ads, especially in this internet era in which ads declined extremely only to go up again (not even close to pre internet levels in most cases but still) People always says that something needs to be ad funded, but in reality how many people click or go when they see an ad? Ad paid almost nothing and it would cause points of conflict within the bbc, and within 2 years a lot of people would complain about ads anyway.

[@UGMD]

Ads pay very little per person, but they aggregate to a lot of money. Companies like Netflix have literally created ad-based models after the normal subscription was deemed unprofitable. I would much rather see some ads from the BBC than see their quality drop further. Sure, I’d complain, but it’s still a net positive.

[@deleted-something]

@@UGMD normal subscription was never unprofitable wdym, Netflix did that just to have another plan and say that you can get Netflix for a lower price in their advertising, and that was post password sharing crackdown anyways, also why would it be a net positive?also Netflix is a global company and it would be less criticized than a news organization for advertising either way

[@TugaAvenger]

The people clamoring that won't be the one's watching anyway. Easy for them to say.

[@sayachan6069]

Ads are absolutely intrustive at times and bringing that in erodes what should be a "public" broadcaster which would put it on the leesh of advertizers and private sector interests which can also open the door to lobbying as well. Also can the slow path to reducing the BBCs output into content sludge over time.

[@2dradon2]

I don't pay a license fee because I disagree with the idea of it. I don't watch anything on it anyway. I used to like Top gear, sherlock and a bit of DrWho. But now I just use netflix and other subscription services where I have plenty to watch.

[@genericaccount343]

If both sides criticise the BBC for not being impartial then odds are that it’s reporting the news properly.

[@Squaretable22]

Alternatively, one could say it's biased to the establishment/liberal centre, which upsets socialists and some marginalized groups, as well as social conservatives - the more centrist your views, especially if you subscribe to the leading party, the more satisfied you will be with the beeb

[@yt.personal.identification]

Or objectively poorly

[@davidevans6514]

The middle ground fallacy spotted in the wild.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Could be also a sign that they make their issue disastrously and even people who may otherwise agree with their agenda notice that.

[@brutalusgaming8809]

I am a 50 year old American and the BBC has always been a part of my life. NPR using a fair amount of BBC news daily. Documentaries etc. from my youth onward. Even children's television in various forms for my younger siblings and then for my own children. The loss of the BBC or even a significant downgrade to it would be a tragedy for the entire world. Also, they made Dr Who.

[@krpkrp3033]

Dr Who is not made by the "BBC" but by "BBC studios" a private company. The BBC only makes the News programes.

[@nickvickers3486]

Well said, and it's great that you can enjoy the Beeb in the States! And just out of interest would you say that having access to all that BBC content has a positive impact on your view of the UK in general? A lot of people here do seem to underestimate the Beeb's soft power in the world.

[@T-T672]

Well! Doctor Who has not been good for years. They should take a break

[@MrKingkz]

Its an easy thing to say if you dont have goons running around your country arresting any single mother who owns a telly

[@ashtech1184]

I firmly believe that the BBC needs to split into separate divisions. The radio, news and maybe documentaries should be publicly funded through tax. The TV side should be funded by either ads or a subscription. I am 29 and have never paid the licence fee. It simply dosnt make sense to pay £160 a year to watch live TV that mostly has ads and and a limited bbc iplayer library when for a similer price i can get a streaming subscription with no adverts and much more content.

[@andybrice2711]

Yeah, I think you're probably right. Like (for example) I've enjoyed _Would I Lie to You?_ and _Vigil_ recently. But I find it hard to argue that those things need to be taxpayer funded.

[@aikighost]

I firmly believe the BBC needs to become a non taxpayer funded commercial entity which is entirely disconnected from the UK government so I can ignore it both in terms of its agenda and my personal finances, forever.

[@Super-id7bq]

​@@aikighost "its agenda" lol. Honestly if my eyes could roll any further I'd be looking through my ears. The BBC doesn't have an agenda. People think it does because they only noticed the things they disagree with. I know people on the left and the right who both believe the BBC is biased the other way when both can't be true. BBC Verify alone spend all day disseminating disinformation on both sides of many issues and all they get in response is people like yourself claiming they are propagandists, event though if they had taken the time to check their feed from a few hours earlier they'd have seen different posts that debunk disinformation on the other side of the issue. And you can ignore it with your personal finances forever, literally don't pay the fee and don't watch live terrestrial TV. It's not that hard.

[@Kenb3d1]

This! Government has no place providing 'entertainment' when there are already a significant number of alternatives available.

[@no.fourteen9316]

The licence fee also enables you to watch hundreds of other channels via Freeview - the money just goes to the BBC , what is it that people genuinely don’t get about the way it works?

[@irtwiaos]

Not everything needs to be profit driven. Public broadcasting is one. The public need an accessible and reliabke outlet to inform the happening in a country. Now that doesn’t mean the bbc shouldn’t be partially funded by ads but it should be funded so that it is freely available to everyone and free to voice out any issue ir concerns with any advertiser without fear of losing revenue.

[@mikeward1701]

BBC should be split into two organisations; Education & Information services, and Entertainment Services. Education & Information should be a state funded and non-profit; free at the point of service for those in the UK, supported by advertising and subscription internationally. Entertainment services should be a for-profit business, funded by subscriptions and advertising. Any assets, capital, personnel, resources etc that would be shared between the two would be owned and managed by a third legal entity, with payment being apportioned based on usage. Each show and resource would be its own entity and be initially and periodically assessed to see where on the entertainment/information spectrum it fell. Those which utilised both would pay the other for what they used. Eg. Radio 1 (entertainment) would pay BBC Information for every news broadcast it carried.

[@marksnow7569]

Tricky to manage, because the clever thing about the original "Inform, educate and entertain" concept was that the three aims could be blended both within the overall schedule and even within individual programmes. For example, _Countryfile_ (almost as popular as _Dec & Ant's Limitless Win_ ) provides all three.

[@mikeward1701]

@@marksnow7569 Each show and resource would it’s own entity and need to be initially and periodically assessed or see where in the spectrum it fell, which would determine how it was funded. For example, most BBC radio stations would be considered entertainment. A new news and weather only radio station would be created that operated similar to BBC News 24. Entertainment stations like Radio One would pay BBC Education for using their news broadcasts on the hour for example.

[@mikeward1701]

@@marksnow7569 Each show and resource would be its own entity and need to be initially and periodically assessed to see where it falls on the Information/Entertainment spectrum. Depending on which side it fell on would determine how it was funded or apportioned. Resources that carried both entertainment and information content would pay the other for what they used. Eg. Radio 1 (entertainment) would pay BBC Education every time it aired a news broadcast.

[@andybrice2711]

​@@momytik They do sell educational microcontrollers like the BBC Micro:bit. There's really no need for the BBC to make computers anymore as that's a saturated market which has been taken over by industry specialists.

[@andybrice2711]

@@marksnow7569 I don't think that's a major problem though. Programmes which are partly educational could be part-funded by the public-service wing. Like how some programmes are produced in collaboration with the Open University.

[@ce1834]

The government really underestimates the international influence of the BBC - far outside English, heavily influential in many countries and languages - when you look at the alternatives, the BBC is really a British asset that should be protected

[@codyeasonBGR]

Don't kill public broadcasters please I don't want all my info from Amazon about how important its is to hate unions..

[@rbu2136]

Bias is arrogance and people hate that.

[@grodesby3422]

The unspoken purpose of the BBC in times past was a cultural mechanism for getting everyone across the UK on more or less the same page regarding cultural and political matters.

[@uktruecrime]

exactly, and now no one really watches it, not like before. Evening news was always on in my house, in the evenings. They constantly promote Taylor Swift but I have NEVER knowingly heard any of her songs. Same with the ginger bloke and his guitar.

[@radmain]

The TV Licence and BBC should just go now, the TV licence especially are so aggressive, I hate them.

[@Droidman1231]

As a politically moderate American, I view the BBC favorably and trust them more than our big three (Fox, CNN, MSNBC). I also like the idea of a publically funded news agency, as I think that funding corrupts the coverage less than an ad based one. However, I'm not the one paying for it nor do I know what the media landscape is in the UK. I do find it weird it's paid for by a flat fee; maybe that made sense back when few homes had TVs, but it should just be funded from general taxation at this point, which tends to be more progressive/proportional to income. If I was struggling financially, I could easily see how having to pay $160 to a news agency would be really annoying.

[@Brookler]

Bad products don't get used and bad business go out of business.

[@Jabberstax]

Unless they are artificially propped up by a mandatory licence fee and the threat of imprisonment for non-payment.

[@SL89999]

BBC podcast content is quality, and reaches audiences beyond the scope of the licence fee. Sadly UK 24/7 news content is no longer valued by viewers and therefore quality has dropped. The licence fee should not be a line item in my taxes, just roll it up with pot hole repair, NHS services, border security and helicopter fares for the cabinet. Also a national broadcaster can only be independent if the trustees/board controlling the application of public funds are themselves independent. 🙏🏽 BBC

[@SirChocula]

"Quality" lulz

[@remenir97]

I remember the BBC being called Islamophobic by one side and Hinduphobic by another.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

There are also people in this forum calling it antisemitic. If they all those accusations were right, I'd have to give BBC a chance :D

[@WobblycogsUk]

I don't think the BBC have woken up to the fact they are competing against online streaming. Netflix is £10.99/month ad free, the Beeb is £14.12 and produces far less content. If your budget for entertainment is limited, why would you choose the Beeb? Realistically, the Beeb is a couple of add-on channels for a streaming package. For news it's TLDR all the way ;-)

[@DavidPashley]

One thing that surprises me is the lack of international streaming on iPlayer. I imagine there's a significant number of people willing to pay to access their content. There is BritBox from BBC and ITV but it's only in a few markets.

[@danielo3320]

Netflix produces just streaming video content online… BBC produces vast amounts of video, audio, news, sport etc across both broadcast and online so the value is there

[@llljustcallhimdave]

It won't be long before netflix starts showing adverts just like Amazon, also like Amazon they will let you have an add free version for extra money

[@stephengray1344]

The BBC produces far more new content than Netflix. It's not just the TV channels, it's the five national radio channels and dozens of local radio stations. It is also propping up what's left of Britain's local newspapers, by funding local democracy reporters everywhere in the country - making it directly responsible for around 99% of the journalism that covers local government in the UK.

[@jakedesnake97]

We're dealing with the same thing right now im Canada with the CBC. The CBC's editorial coverage has garnered a lot of flack, some I find justifiable, and has led the opposition party to call for defunding. But the main issue I have with the CBC is that we are pouring millions into fictional shows that people just aren't watching. The point of a public broadcaster should be to offer news coverage free from financial constraint, especially to smaller communities and minority French/English communities that are often overlooked by our private media industry. If the CBC could have a more scaled-down mandate, and was funded with somerhing like a licensing fee similar to the BBC's instead of having to negotiate its budget with the government every few years, I think its public profile would be much better. And that said, as far as I can tell, advertising does not affect the experience anyone has with the CBC.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

As an American, Canada looks like pretty radical right now. Ya'll are de-banking people for protesting. And stripping people's professional licenses because of their political tweets. I'd have to imagine the CBC programming probably looks like something out of Maoist China.

[@gfys756]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatAllow me to sum up their most likely reply --- "None of that stuff is happening. If it is, it's actually the evil right-wingers infringing upon our rights. If it harms the evil right-wingers, then it's a good thing!" 😂

[@TastySanchez]

It's not a complex problem. Just pay for it through tax, remove the entire industry around managing licences fees and use all that money to reduce the equivalent cost per individual. Sure some people don't use the bbc but that's how it goes for all national services. I've never needed a fire engine but happy to pay my taxes towards maintaining one.

[@jabezhane]

I don't use the schools as I have no kids but happy to pay for them as they benefit society as whole. The BBC on the other hand...no one really needs it anymore.

[@MrKingkz]

There is a big difference between the bbc and the fire service and more then 70% of people under 40 dont watch telly and that number is growing why should i pay for a tv service i and a lot of people do not use

[@jabezhane]

@@MrKingkz Yeah it's odd that so many think it a sacred cow or sush. If it was so amazing why are thousands of people a month cancelling their direct debits for it? Its time (certainly as it currently is) is past.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

We need a news outlet that is not funded by either advertising or corporate sponsors to ensure impartiality. That's the BBC. However, they do not appear to be impartial, so what is the point?

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

This is honestly a subtly great point I'd never thought of. The WHOLE POINT of public broadcasters is to avoid outside influence yet somehow public broadcasters have become among the most partisan.

[@doggieclaude]

Agree. When your "state owned media" is churning out propaganda instead of informing, educating and entertaining, its worse than pointless.

[@richardvash]

Watched it for 40+ years but gave up in the run up to Brexit as the news was biased. Now it’s just woke channel. It’s there to cater for minorities. The world has moved on.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

@@richardvash Certain reporting during the 'rona was deliberately false, as was aspects of BLM riot reporting.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

@@richardvash It's not easy to be impartial, as you're never going to please everyone. However, the reporting of COVID was biased to the point of deliberate lies, the BLM riots, etc... They do not paint the corporation in a good light. "Mostly peaceful"? My arse is "mostly peaceful", but you don't want to be around when it isn't. 😂

[@Ixidor13]

Germany also pays 150 euro a year for tv rights of shows that one does not see.... Not to mention they DO run ads, etc. But honestly sick of funding these with our already stretched salaries x.x.

[@Canadish]

Advertising puts the BBC at the mercy of corporate paymasters. I have issues with the BBC, the pedo cover ups are a real issue, but these things would be WORSE under a privately funded model.

[@richardbrown9760]

So how come all the independent companies can survive?

[@Canadish]

@@richardbrown9760 The BBC would survive. Easily. But its coverage would be more biased, it would have more incentive for covering up scandal, if would have more reason to make commercialised slop over genuinely good programming (a major one for me is the kids stuff, which is really good wholesome stuff rather than just being toy commercials). The private model 'works' in that the organisation can survive it, but it's mission statement would have to change - and that is a bad thing. For all its faults, the BBC is one the only decent things the UK has left now.

[@DanHammonds]

They may not be advertising, but I'm convinced a lot of higher ups got some big kickbacks from Pfizer during the pandemic....and from any other company they are seen to promote.

[@reichtangleanschluss509]

1:12 Small clarification here: When this happened, South Africa was British dominion and India (British Raj back then) was British colony.

[@MrRikksmith]

i am 40 years old and i have not once ever heard the bbc being called the ‘beeb'

[@dannyarcher6370]

I worked in the UK 20 years ago, and a couple of my colleagues called it that. In fairness, we were working in broadcast.

[@Cunnysmythe]

You can't be serious, it's called that often.Though I can't say I've ever heard it in person, it's only been in the media. You've at least heard of it being called Auntie though, right?

[@shobley]

I'm guessing you don't remember Kenny Everett. Pretty sure he started it.

[@Crispman_777]

@@Cunnysmythe Literally never. Who says these things?

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@Crispman_777 Probably just the media - Another one I've never heard in person. There used to be a blooper programme called Auntie's Bloomers that Terry Wogan presented

[@nyroysa]

Maybe in like 2040 the term BBC will be used only for that purpose and will become taboo word in public.

[@timor64]

after what I saw the BBC do during the Scottish Independence referendum, I have zero sympathy.

[@smkh2890]

You failed to mention that the 'licence fee' is obligatory for all television sets, that is receivers of terrestrial broadcasts. So regardless of whether you watch the BBC or not, you have to pay the licence fee in order to use a tv set.

[@MrKingkz]

Not just TV if you own a laptop or phone as well cuz you can watch bbc on them as well its a piss take i call it the tech tax

[@smkh2890]

@@MrKingkz as I remember the BBC Online site requires login with a license that’s correct but that’s only if you want to use the BBC site

[@MrKingkz]

It dose but they still think people are watching without a licence hence the tv licence for phones and computers it really needs to be stopped cuz at this point it really is just tech tax @@smkh2890

[@SpikePBB]

Send them a letter revoking access to your property (you can find it online) and don't pay it, they can't do a damn thing. A mandatory TV license, especially one that's that expensive, is outdated and the BBC needs to be funded via adverts, not ripping off the British public. 🙄

[@casbot71]

So having the Tories in charge of the BBC has had a similar effects as having them in charge of the UK....

[@JasonAtlas]

They have that effect. Magical really.

[@robertburrows2106]

bbc mind reprogramming takes over one taste from the money trough and they are hooked.

[@mogznwaz]

Advantages : no advertising. I pay the same for KZbin premium and get no ads.

[@jsg9575]

I cancelled my TV license, stopped watching the BBC ages ago

[@DanHammonds]

Me too. I boycotted the BBC and the TV licence after the Jimmy Savile scandal.

[@TheBrowncoatcat]

Are these Tory MPs who say the Licence Fee is unfair because it is "one size fits all", the same Tory MPs who brought the "one size fits all" Poll Tax?

[@goughrmp]

Best £159 I don’t spend every year. Much better not spending your life sitting in front of the TV all day

[@Tejiknasten]

BBC aren't allowed to die. Not as long as they're continuing to produce Doctor Who. Greetings from a sci fi nerd from Sweden.

[@Malusdarkblades11]

It is scary to know that more and more news are no longer publicly founded. Information can change the world... in a good and bad way.

[@LaFranceBonjour]

being punlically funded doesnt make them politically neutral, maybe there is more focus on news and less rage baiting but they have established themselves are being pro-left bias even when they dont have a sponsored agenda

[@Miranox2]

When a news company decides to become partisan like the BBC, why should the other half of the country continue supporting it?

[@jacobmatthews7524]

publicly funded means at the beck and call of goverments, whether they admit it or not. Step out of line, say goodbye to the charter.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

NPR, the US public radio has also become completely unlistenable because of rampant far-left politicization. Lots of PBS programs too have become increasingly politicized. I used to love Frontline, I can't even watch it anymore because they literally play scary music when Republicans come on screen now. There's a reason Elon Musk started calling these places "Government Funded Media." That's what they are.

[@jacobmatthews7524]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat NPR is somehow more left-wing than CNN

[@squizzlygrirrel6227]

I wouldn't mind the TV license fee if it wasn't sold though harassment tactics that would not be out of place in a protection bracket. For TV licensing you are considered guiltily until proven innocent and even when you have declared you don't need one they still threaten you with visits, I can't see how such behavior can be seen as legal.

[@mrjoe5292]

Yeah I've been getting visits from TV license people. Irony is if it was a subscription service Id probably pay it, at least when I want to watch BBC content. I don't watch BBC stuff much these days, but there's a few things I'd be happy to pay for, Doctor Who, Wolf Hall, the documentaries. As it is I just don't watch anything. And having people come knock on my door and threaten court action doesn't really endear me to their cause or make me want to pay the license.

[@uktruecrime]

you get those letters as well. Aparently some enforcement action will be happening in my street soon. I'm tooled up and waiting, but the anxiety is effecting my health.

[@darkwoods1954]

BBC ''verify'' is the last thing they should be spending money on. A BBC ministry of truth is the funniest comedy they've produced in over a decade.

[@jarnMod]

I mean...on the hub BBC is still pretty popular... Has anyone made that joke yet?

[@TheJttv]

The removal of red from the website was a bad move

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

The website redesign was really bad. It went from being very iconic BBC to looking exactly like 50 snooty lefty news sites I can think of off the top of my head. EDIT: As a side note it, also broke the website on my 7 year old ipad that can't be updated anymore lol.

[@Ignore_e-stupid_people]

People love the BBC "all over the world " ?😂 But of course they do. The greatest propaganda machine to ever exist.

[@marksnow7569]

_Father Brown_ is big in Japan, apparently

[@robertburrows2106]

But do they pay our TV TAX to view it ?

[@ymtzlgn]

The BBC has become similar to a tabloid by this point

[@Deeplycloseted435]

I watch the British propaganda, because I prefer it to my American propaganda. I swear, in my head, this makes sense.

[@VermyScrubs]

⁠@@malcky630 A VPN and lying to the corporation saying you’re paying for the license and boom. Everything on IPlayer free of charge. Way more easier to bypass then C4’s service

[@ibvghgfvbnbc]

Ew Theyrr worse than American propaganda. They just mask it on the etiquette which are actually classism of the British

[@Makotonine]

the quality of journalists on the bbc is dire, whereas there are plenty of citizen journalists that can be found on line whose content is excellent (well researched, balanced and IMPARTIAL).

[@0xCAFEF00D]

3:00 The BBC ad-funded is a terrible idea. Because they _have_ to run. And the content isn't supposed to be optimized for views like most public broadcasters (which often implies bias news and following trends) the advertisers get leverage on the BBC. Eventually concessions will be made or it'll disappear.

[@weird-guy]

My public broadcaster has ads although less than privates.

[@JimmyBellLoyal]

The BBEB boss angers me when he thinks £169.50 isn't enough!! Greed greedy man that is more than likely very rich!!!!

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

I read the BBC World section at least once a day for 15 years specifically because as an American they felt way more trustworthy than any of our news. But I'd say in the past few years, and ESPECIALLY after the event in October, they have just completely abandoned impartial journalism. The quality has really really suffered. I stopped reading.

[@latchmere100]

DEFUND THE BBC. STOP THIS TAX.

[@albertoclonado]

BBC should have a subscription model available to viewers outside the UK, I’d happily pay a monthly fee to watch BBC in the US

[@Niceguyhit47]

The BBC has issued 4 apologies after spreading misinformation that didn't checked out on the Israel hamas war.

[@shobley]

Sigh... I think I'll go watch the Capaldi era again... or maybe Pertwee. He was great.

[@mrtickleuk]

It's a LICENCE. This is not America.

[@joneswigan]

2:19 - BBC are allowed to use ads and sponsors through private companies that they fully own, like BBC Studios, that own channels like Dave and gold, and they use ads outside of the UK It is not funded by the whole of the UK, just those who pay the TV licence (you only need to pay if you watch live TV or BBC iPlayer), and its money that it makes from private companies that it owns like BBC Studios

[@uktruecrime]

BBC actually has ads on it if you watch from overseas.

[@shashanktrivedi27]

So Brits are required to pay for BBC's world service whose target audience are listening and watching in another countries.

[@Jabberstax]

Yes. British license fee payers also pay for awards given out by BBC Africa to African journalist who work in Africa.

[@tomskih203]

For high quality news I come to TLDR XD

[@BoraCM]

This is anything but high quality.

[@MarioLanzas.]

tldr is just low budget bbc

[@pisse3000]

TLDR does no reporting of their own and are entirely dependent on sources such as the BBC.

[@redstream1237]

​@@MarioLanzas. their content is good though unlike BBC

[@RonTodd-gb1eo]

I like Sky news Australia.

[@TheMOV13]

I completely removed all BBC content from my diet two years ago and have been feeling much better since.

[@toothlessseer3153]

I did a google search for *BBC* and got some strange results 🤔

[@llljustcallhimdave]

Google tailors your search results to your normal search habits.....

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

You need to add modifers to make it clear you're searching for current events, like "destroys Palestinian girl."

[@kenth151]

The BBC should go out of business.

[@blehblahov7398]

Thanks for the informative video! Just one mild error: the table at 1:50 seems irrelevant to "BBC being known all over the world". If anything it says that only brits know BBC

[@greennames8350]

I have never heard someone say beeb in the uk in my life

[@crapmalls]

Except on the goon show which was in the 1950s

[@moafwaz5563]

why is no one talking about the vast amounts of money they wasted on internal DEI training/consultant work

[@marksnow7569]

Because all organisations waste money one way or another; it's just that commercial ones never tell you until the **** really hits the fan

[@joehoe222]

What annoys me as a Dutch citizen watching the BBC, is not being able to rewatch shows when they were not recorded by me. The idea is that we as Dutch didn't pay taxes for it, so we have only viewing rights from the provider, not rewatch possibilities. This is quite annoying when I missed a show I want to rewatch. The programmes are paid anyhow, so why so picky and childish policy?

[@gyost8147]

The BBC is great example of how to destroy your own brand image and credibility. Between actions taken within the last 20 years on the radio, TV, and press and clumsy/blunt attempts to justify their actions and dismiss the actual consumers, I'm not sure what they expected or did their arrogance in their self purported superior moral (/) position really blind them to what they were doing.

[@DB-ub3wx]

The BBC is failing because it over pays so many people like Lineker! Paying someone over a £1 million to sit and talk about football is absolutely ridiculous!

[@borderlandsglitches]

This is the first time I've heard the term 'beeb'. That being said I haven't watched TV channels in about 9 years. I use to get angery latter's from the 'beeb' demanding I pay for a TV licence dispite never asking for one due to me not needing one. It's quite scummy how they do that in the attempt to scare people into paying for something they don't use. It's more of a scam than anything else.

[@marksnow7569]

Kenny Everett used to say "Beeb" quite a lot.

[@borderlandsglitches]

Who's Kenny Everett?

[@DavidPashley]

I imagine you're too young to have heard it be referred to as Auntie too.

[@borderlandsglitches]

Not heard that one either. Don't mistake a lack of age for a lack of attention given.

[@laurasands8322]

Nearly five years since i watched any TV at all, don't miss it at all, even though i like most of the population grew up watching it, all my favourites were on it, now i have them on dvd to watch, Blackadder, Porridge, Fawlty Towers, Some mothers do 'ave them, Monty Python, Hancock,Dads Army and so many others , nowadays they only seem to make programmes about drag queens, racism, Britain's colonial past, all unwatchable garbage, watch what you want on KZbin or Dvd.

[@MrTARDIS]

While ideological changes need to take place at the BBC (there absolutely needs to be less, or zero, Tories at the top) it makes zero sense to not fund the public service broadcaster. For every £1 the organisation receives from the license fee, the UK economy gets £3 back. And considering how the UK Creative Industries now amount to the UK's #1 Export (overtaking the motoring industry after its post-Brexit decline) we need to invest in this industry more otherwise the UK's only notable industries will be potatoes and transphobia.

[@JasonAtlas]

Tories will once again go into a successful industry and gut it. I hate them.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

It's a bit tricky to have both station biased in one direction and simultaneously request people who due to that bias are highly unlikely to watch it, to have anyway pay for it in taxes. It would be like billing you for Sun subscription...

[@marksnow7569]

@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 Tricky, yes, but governments are entitled to do that sort of thing, particularly if they think that bias in one direction is better for the overall functioning of society than bias in another direction.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

​@@marksnow7569 "bias in one direction is better for the overall functioning" Is it purely coincidentally a bias that should give more votes towards faction that would be allowed to decide which bias is good for society?

[@marksnow7569]

@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 Any faction which gains political power can act on its ideas of what bias is good for society. That, for example, is what makes Putin-loving, insurrection-inciting Trump so dangerous. A society which is biased towards mutual benevolence requires less intervention by authority than a society which is biased towards mutual malevolence.

[@phillipadams1710]

How do hope the bbc is on its last legs and stop paying those so called celebrities

[@DanielleKingdjdinosaur]

after giving the conservatives a pass for fourteen years as the country fell apart after running a major dis information campaign against labour just before brexit i have not watched much BBC.Its a pity it was once a great broadcaster .In no way perfect but still one of the best but like i said .Recent history has made me check out.

[@meatbap]

Yeah because politicians never lie

[@orchidhouse297]

No TV for 25 years. Never missed it. KZbin is a far better source of entertainment , news and education.We do listen to the radio which is on all day switching between World Service, Radio 4 extra, and Radio 4. Lack of funding shows in the number and frequency of repeats, and the use of failed series from years ago, mostly un-funny comedies. And, I am sick of Desert Island Discs in all its forms.

[@tarrinpun3798]

I got an opportunity to visit BBC head office as a guest 3 times in my life at their former HQ in london. It was quite an interesting experience

[@uktruecrime]

fascinating.

[@robertewalt7789]

I have noticed that US media does a poor job of covering international news, so I started listening to BBC World Service. But lately, they have emphasized more features rather than news.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

I was extremely similar, I read the BBC World for 15 years because they covered the world so much better and they seemed way less partial than US media. I stopped for the first time since October because the "journalism" has declined so quickly.

[@weird-guy]

My country is opting for a usa style news something that i hate,probably to increase viewership, news should be talking heads instead of opinions,commentary or ´show´

[@RandyBrickley]

the whole concept of forcing people to pay for a tv subscription is ridiculous.

[@michaelmolyneaux-swann]

The BBC is the voice of the establishment, for that reason I give it a wide berth.

[@behrensf84]

the BBC is like a utility. we should have something like that here in the US for local news papers.

[@joaopedroalbernaz]

We have PBS and NPR

[@behrensf84]

@@joaopedroalbernaz yeah but we don’t pay for it directly with a specific tax…

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@joaopedroalbernaz Both of which have become completely unwatchable/unlistenable unless you're on the far left.

[@joaopedroalbernaz]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat exactly !!! But we have it 🤣

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@joaopedroalbernaz I do really miss Frontline. Frontline used to be so good. Then they started trying to chase Vice (whose already gone bankrupt) and started letting their edgy millennial "journalists" self-insert in front of the camera and their editors started playing scary music whenever big bad meanie republicans are on screen. Even as a millennial liberal Democrat that was 🙄for me. I can figure out who the bad guys are, stop trying to think for me.

[@howmanybeansmakefive]

I vividly remember the "Defund the BBC" advertising campaign coming out of nowhere starting around 2020 by very opaquley-funded ads, and suspiciously well-organised for what was trying to pass off as a grass-roots movement. The conspicuous co-option of 'woke'/US sloganeering and shady motivations behind it makes it look/sound a bit psy-opy to me (not that people didn't pick it up and run with it).

[@stephenclark9917]

"Hello, do you remember me?" There was a World War between the two "meetings".

[@Medieval_Dead]

Imagine being forced to pay for a propaganda outlet you want absolutely nothing to do with.

[@elrevesyelderecho]

7:33 IF the content is good the audience will see it. IF so, they will get advertising. So, we have to keep the BBC regardless their content? Why I have to force to pay for something that I don't want?

[@marksnow7569]

Commercial TV channels are already finding that the advertising spend does not grow to fill the available outlets. If the BBC, Britain's most popular TV and radio provider by some distance, were to become an advertising outlet, other advert-funded media organisations would die.

[@stevehutchison7968]

Why doesn't the government just pay for it out of the budget?

[@Kenb3d1]

Government institutions should only exist where the private sector has shown to be incapable of providing adequate services. You can make a case that facilitating a news service has benefits, but there are already numerous services providing entertainment. Cut the license fee down significantly, providing funds for news services only, then remove the 'entertainment' sector of the BBC entirely, or make it a subscription model, where it will sink or swim depending on the quality and cost of what is produced.

[@Crispman_777]

You're ignoring the cultural implications of that. Its reputation worldwide is arguably more valuable than any entertainment output they have. By letting it die you damage Britain's public image

[@old_grey_cat]

Private industry has repeatedly shown itself incapable of providing the range of voices in entertainment public broadcasters do. From watching UK, US, NZ, and Australian output over 60 years, I can say that new approaches and non-"standard" talented individuals frequently get their first opportunities on publicly funded outlets. Several shows I saw as a teenager and young adult turned up a decade later on the commercial outlets. Another aspect ignored is the global reach of the BBC's collection of online educational resources. It was intended to help UK children, but has given the UK a better overall reputation than your businesses', politicians', and voters' work would otherwise allow.

[@Valentine82]

It’s bollocks in 2024 that we have to pay for a TV licence. I pay for KZbin Premium, Netflix, Amazon & Disney Plus. We barely watch standard television anymore. BBC should change to adverts.

[@wpjohn91]

I hope it is going. London centric bias that dosent reflect the country

[@wpjohn91]

Also no one i have ever met has ever called it the beeb. Ffs

[@marksnow7569]

London-centric bias literally does reflect the country!

[@wpjohn91]

How? 10% of the population

[@marksnow7569]

@@wpjohn91 That's an undercount even for the county; about 20% of the UK population lives in the London metropolitan area (nearly 3x the population of Scotland, or well over 4x the population of Wales)

[@wpjohn91]

If i take that at face value, the other 80% from my experiance dislike the London centric

[@Iskelderon]

Gotta love the hilarity of Tories complaining about how something is unfair to people with a lower income. That's like American conservatives pretending to give a fuck about the climate when suddenly Taylor Swift's air travel is concerned.

[@redkiwi5980]

Why are the not just funded out of general taxation like Australias ABC. WIld. 2024 and they still have TV licenses.

[@bazookaman1353]

Nice, we need another tax sink.

[@louisjefferies2733]

Because its intended to make it non government funded

[@johnsamuel1999]

Why even fund them with taxes

[@marksnow7569]

*Australian Parliament, Select Committee into the Abbott Government's Budget Cuts, 12/12/2014* _"John Menadue, a former news chief executive of News Corporation Australia and former undersecretary of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, has called a spade a spade in his observation that our Prime Minister is repaying his debt to Rupert Murdoch in his government's punitive budget treatment of the ABC. What is occurring at the ABC now-and SBS-is a hammer blow to this country's public broadcasters, from which it will take years to recover."_ Special media taxes, separate from the general budget, reduce the risk of such problems. It's just unfortunate that the British TV Licence is the stupidest media tax in the world.

[@quackcement]

publicly funded education is sensible, but publicly funded entertainment makes less sense