The Conservatives Lose the Local Elections: Will They Bring Boris Back?

[@jackvalior]

imagine them losing 999 seats and they walk in government confidently saying we did better than expected.

[@greglemrow3917]

Sounds like the GOP over here trying to claim their 4 seat house majority means there's a great big conservative mandate.

[@Grason20]

They did better than expected, because of all the drama happened up to this point (especially Liz Truss)

[@lordhenrywotton95]

It’s an expectation management tactic. If the Tories tell everyone they are going to lose 1000 seats, it means they are actually expecting to lose 700 or 800.

[@bauefrenchmen3126]

And their crippling loss will somehow be a mandate from the constitutes they don't care about to double down on their bad policies and man child knuckle dragging skulldugery spoiled children are known for.

[@mattj5391]

This whole channel is just a KZbin Labour Party propaganda channel. Every single video is just a Tory bash.

[@WhichDoctor1]

it's so fun seeing all these torys claiming that losing 1000 counsels to left wing and eurocentric parties is clear evidence that the UK population wants sunak to be more right wing and brexiteer

[@davidty2006]

They ended up loosing atleast 61 more. In reality they were aiming for around 750 and only said 1000 to claim victory with the media.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

The desperation is sweet.

[@nickbarton3191]

That is bizarre

[@patm6704]

Out of 650 MP’s, Starmer was the only one invited to become a member of the US rightwing neo-con's Trilateral Commission. An organisation that believes, we, the people, have too much freedom, too much democracy. This explains how Starmer went from becoming an MP in 2015 to Labour leader in 5 years with the help of state broadcaster BBC etc. He's more authoritarian than most Tories. That's why the Establishment will ensure he's the next PM as the UK lurches increasingly authoritarian in goosestep with the US and EU etc. During the Covid-19 lockdowns, Stormtrooper Starmer wanted more stringent restrictions than the Tories were imposing. It's no surprise Starmer went to Davos, trying to outdo the Tories as most-willing-puppet-of-the-WEF. Stormtrooper Starmer purged the leftwing activists from the Labour Party. As one victim of his purge said in the Al Jazeera documentary 'Labour Files'. "The Labour Party is a criminal conspiracy against its members."

[@santiagoo.8958]

That's what happens when your main source of news and information is an echo chamber.

[@archiemcberry7102]

The voters punished the Tories because the Tories refuse to govern. They have the job but are not doing the job. Pretty simple stuff.

[@tariq_sharif]

they actually do govern, but for the privileged classes; it seems beyond their comprehension that being born into a poor/ordinary family should not be an obstruction to have a fair try at success; but the Tories believe if you are poor then you must be morally deficient and not worth for anything. it almost fits perfectly with the caste system in Hinduism (sunak priti suella etc)

[@iffracem]

Do not underestimate the inbuilt stupidity of the average human, when acting in a group.

[@viper_fan]

The Tories did not satisfy the fish and the voters. Where is the money the red bus promised?

[@jordanjames2956]

I think that the vote shows that people really dislike the Conservatives but are only lukewarm on labour. I also think that a lot of former tory voters are dislike labour just as much as the conservatives and thus that is why the lib dems did so well.

[@varun2250]

​@@tariq_sharif An Islamist sukhing the Labour Vote consolidation strategy actively spreads vitriol. The Labour and their Far left fanatics are so going to regret this normalisation of hate towards others like Hindus and Jews.

[@sctmcg]

My actual MP came to my door begging me for a Tory vote.....and still lost.

[@kanedNunable]

did you tell him to piss off? :P

[@sctmcg]

@@kanedNunable I told him I'd definitely be voting Tory after his visit!........I didn't 😂. I enjoyed giving him the false hope......the same false hope his wife had before he left her for his secretary. Great. Guy.

[@CERWINVEGAredRING]

Wow a tory walking round knocking on doors.. now that sounds like a dangerous occupation.

[@lemontrack5165]

@@sctmcg that is a violation at the end bro but deserved

[@alexkelly6648]

please say he was crying a bit. just for that beautiful picture

[@Andrew_BIake]

Bringing Boris back would put the Tories’ coffin from 6 feet under to 60 feet under and covering the grave site with cement!

[@TheWebstaff]

Nahh you're wrong. Everyone loves to vote for Boris. It's the reason ITV does so well with its Saturday evening entertainment shows.

[@31Blaize]

We can only hope they're that stupid/desperate.

[@normandunford5747]

You have summed it up spot on.

[@normandunford5747]

​@@TheWebstaff . Get real , Boris is a past it has been, totally clueless.

[@samanthapatrick4345]

That would be political suicide bringing back bozo the clown

[@markaberer]

So the goal of conservatives is to conserve their seats? Sounds reasonable..

[@chrisamies2141]

it's to remain in power rather than do the best for the country, certainly seems that way.

[@Lee_303]

​@@chrisamies2141 yes all they care about is their own greed, the best thing is they have to resort to more desperate measures every time as they've outed themselves as careless thieves.

[@faenethlorhalien]

That's what politics is. Sack the treasury, get sick pension funds, keep your job for life and then your children, rinse and repeat. Technically a democracy, but in name only.

[@NaSaSh1087]

This has nothing to do with Rishi, even if boris was there, the result should have been similar. It's the people's anger against the entire Tory party not just Sunak . In fact, Sunak is better than most tories.

[@charlotteinnocent8752]

Amen to that! All these "local" areas have hospitals and GP surgeries etc. that people use through the NHS all the time. The NHS has been ripped apart by the TORIES, not necessarily just this leader or that. ALL of them have been trying to kill it and people are furious! And that is just ONE issue.

[@2020-p2z]

They may as well elect a small patch of brown liquid as their leader for all the difference it will make. People don't hate the man, they hate the policies of the party.

[@JanZamani]

I really hope the people are waking up to the nature of the tory pary. They don't care about the people, just about lining their own pockets.

[@Azmodaeus49]

​@@JanZamani since when has either labour or Tories cared though (for real)? They all end up in downing Street and just completely make a mess of things

[@NaSaSh1087]

@@JanZamani so you say even sunak is like the rest of the tories or is unique and trying to improve the economy?

[@AmazingDuckmeister]

Bringing back Boris Johnson would be catastrophic for the Tories. He has lost so much support since he is no longer leader. In fact, Rishi Sunak has made them more popular than without him. The Tories are going to lose with or without Rishi Sunak.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

And it would cause more infighting.

[@KernowFishy]

yup, this is their peak popularity. bringing back the spaff will only make it even worse. they know it.

[@tafadzwamanzini5463]

In no world is sunak more liked than Boris though

[@SlowhandGreg]

It's the Tory brand that's taken the flack, most people think Sunak isn't incompetent or will crash the economy (low bar) but everyone can see the infighting going on

[@KernowFishy]

@@tafadzwamanzini5463 though in polling Johnson's net rating was much lower than Sunak's, and that is pretty dire itself.

[@garymorgan75]

The Conservative party I’ve been in power for far too long. This country needs a change of direction.

[@Czybmnxn]

I think we need to go further in the same direction, but we just need a strong leader to do so

[@JamesL0717]

@@CzybmnxnFor sure, since isolationism by removing themselves from EU wasn’t devastating enough, UK needs even more isolationism. Maybe they stop trading with the US. For sure will make UK great again.

[@antonk.2748]

@@Czybmnxn Yeah right, because the direction this country chose since 2016 is so future oriented and brought good results. The only thing we need now is a Fuehrer, what a load of bollocks...

[@wofi784]

A Labour/Lib Dem or Traffic Light coalition after 2024 wouldn't be so bad tbh, also could help push Starmer to adopt proportional representation

[@Bubblegum-pk3yn]

Starmer would lose just as much seats at the Conservative's in proportional representation. It would never happen. Proportional representation will ensure Labour is never elected too. It will always be a Conservative - UKIP coalition quite frankly for some reason no clue why much of the UKIP vote goes left when it's a right wing party? No clue why it works and this is in the current stages, by 2024 say August when it's likely to happen for many reasons, the Conservative's were expected about 80 seats if not less at the end of last year, now it's more than what Labour has now. Labour isn't likely to win quite frankly if Sunak can deliver on his pledges which I personally believe he will. To add on many parties dislike the Conservatives, so a coalition isn't the way to go given current polls they'd need roughly 30 MP's to supplement their minority government in this hypothetical scenario so a supply and confidence agreement could happen with those who hate the Conservatives enough that they'd rather elect Labour than give Conservative's another chance in office before 2029.

[@michaelotieno6524]

There is still a long way to go but I don't think Rishi is out of the race especially because Starmer has opted to backtrack on all his election pledges.

[@rogink]

@@Bubblegum-pk3yn You can't be sure. Sure neither Labour nor Tories could govern on their own. But PR throws up loads of smaller parties in Europe - from far left to far right and everything in between. By UKIP I assume you mean its successor Reform - well they actually lost a couple of their handful of councillors! I don't expect Starmer to agree to PR even at the price of coalition with LibDems, so it's still a long way off.

[@tomhill3205]

A hung parliament is the best thing for democracy so no one party can put things through without opinion from other parties. I do believe they should change the FPTP system to a more fair type of system

[@void7mapping711]

That would be nice, it would actually give smaller parties like the Lib Dems and Greens a chance in elections, since people won't have the belief that their vote is being wasted if they vote for them, and they don't have to get a plurality in a constituency to get the seat.

[@Pemmont107]

Tories out! One thing you didn't mention is that all the numbers lead to Starmer being the next PM, either in a minority government or in a coalition. A Labour/Lib Dem Coalition is looking more likely? Which I'm more than fine with.

[@Pemmont107]

@@zUJ7EjVD They're definitely not far right and anti-vax in the UK ^^

[@Pemmont107]

@@Gary-bz1rf I still think the majority people would prefer Labour or Labour/Lib-Dems over Tories. This is why I'm cautiously optimistic.

[@cerdic6305]

@@zUJ7EjVD yep very much centre-left. They formed from a merger of the old Liberal party and the Social Democrats.

[@Frserthegreenengine]

@@zUJ7EjVD Liberal Parties in Britain are more left-leaning than they are in Australia and the USA.

[@adassyposz3699]

​@@zUJ7EjVD They're basically toned down Labour, and a lot more middle class, although for a while they fashioned themselves as a staunchly remainer party. I imagine they got so many votes because of posh people protesting against the Tories.

[@VARMOT123]

Yeah boris would've lost 2000 seats .that is how much boris was hated . He had a negative 53 approval rating at the end

[@VARMOT123]

Rishi is far more popular than the tory party itself . This result is due to boris lying debacle and truss kamikaze budget .

[@parrotly1092]

I do think tho that among more traditional Tories Boris is seen as a stronger leader than sunak

[@saikrishnak8631]

that doesnt mean he will win

[@Azmodaeus49]

​@@parrotly1092 those Tories voters are just absolutely wrong and my goodness they still believe in the bozo Messiah nonsense😂

[@raggedcritical]

@@parrotly1092 True. The question isn't "Would bringing Boris back be a good idea" because it'd obviously be a hideously bad idea - the question is whether enough Tory MPs are blinkered and desperate enough to try it anyway.

[@parrotly1092]

@@raggedcritical yh I completely agree, Boris Johnson could permanently kill the Tories AGAIN

[@mrdaveythebaby]

I think the over arching conclusion from these elections is that there is a huge majority of people who want the Tories out of office at any cost. People are wising up to tactical voting and will use their vote to the biggest detriment of the Tory Party.

[@markwelch3564]

It's also a sign that the anti-Tory sentiment can't be assumed to be pro-Labour. A lot of people want a change from both of the big two

[@mrdaveythebaby]

@Mark Welch I'm not sure you can make that conclusion. I've supported labour for most of my life, though as a kid / teenager, I actually thought the tories were making good points, and I bought the propaganda. In the last 15 or so years, I haven't voted for Labour because I have voted tactically at every election. I'm not stating it shows people are pro Labour either. I'm saying that the only real indication is that people want the tories out and see every party that can beat them as a viable option (apart from the far right racist ones that the Tories ate currently harvesting votes for).

[@mrdaveythebaby]

@Mark Welch I mean, I agree with your statement that one can't assume anti Tory is pro Labour, I just don't think it's a takeaway from these results, more like a basic truth.

[@mrdaveythebaby]

@jason kempson turnout in the UK elections is always shockingly low. I don't know what the figures are here, or how they compare year on year for the last 10 years, but I think voting should be taken more seriously in this country, though I believe civic education in the UK is completely lacking anyway so many people don't know why they are voting for or why...

[@covfefe1787]

@@mrdaveythebaby Yes the Tories are so racist that its entire cabinet is full of immigrants. Indians and Blacks in all of the great offices of state and Jermey Hunts wife is Chinese. they are so racist right? Hitler is dancing in his grave at the tories right?

[@kanedNunable]

i cant believe how many still voted tory.

[@ietomos7634]

​@@sctmcg Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, you say your local tory mp has done 50x more for the area than Labour, but from your other comments you didn't vote Conservative?

[@Me-ui1zy]

@@ietomos7634 Probably talking about his councillor

[@Azmodaeus49]

​@@Me-ui1zy😂😂😂 right....

[@ruairievans]

Here's a tip, use a capital letter when you begin a sentence.

[@blazzz13]

@@ruairievans The grammar police is out in force I see.

[@benl9047]

People vote differently in local elections. In a general election a lot of those green votes will probably go to Labour - people will just vote tactically for whichever party is most likely to oust the Tories. I'm from the south-west where that means voting Lib Dem but most of the time it means voting Labour, so I think this is indeed great news for them. As for the Tories, they've been in government since 2010 and it's simply time for a change, there's nothing they can really do to stop it now.

[@Azmodaeus49]

Absolutely true

[@theuglykwan]

Some of the green votes will go to conservatives, some local greens are nimbys. Or maybe they go to lib dems as they seem to enjoy the nimby vote too.

[@SlowhandGreg]

There was a lot of tactical voting

[@pinkpincol]

I typically vote lib Dems in local and labour in general because in my area lib Dems have a higher chance in local and labour have a higher chance in general (would vote green in local but we don't have a candidate)

[@andrewwalsh2755]

If people went from Labour to Green Party in the council elections, it will most likely be because it is now Zionist Labour... which is the very antithesis of True Labour... and with Starmers proven track record of lies, deceit and dishonesty (Google Starmer +Broken pledges), only a Gullible fool would now believe a word he says! Other than Zionists, and people who would vote for a Mr J. Rees Mogg, if he wore a red rosette (the bewildered ) ... I can't imagine why Anyone with decent values would Vote for a party which supports (or turns blind eye to) apartheid, land theft, human rights violations etc (Israel). Liz Truss might, I suppose... If nobody told her what she was doing wrong...

[@rononel8046]

Could you imagine if Rishi is ousted? That would be 4 Prime Ministers in 1 year, 5 in 4 years & 6 in 8 years! There'd HAVE to be General Election this year. The Conservatives couldn't come back from that...

[@ianworley8169]

You'd imagine so, wouldn't you? But then again, they held out after Truss resigned and Sunak was 'given' the job, without being elected by even his own Party membership. They don't have an ounce of shame. They'll just hold on until the bitter end.

[@Bubblegum-pk3yn]

@@ianworley8169 Many thought we wouldn't come back from Truss we did. Sunak was elected to the job with the support of his MP's and he was uncontested wasting money and time on an uncontested election wouldn't make sense, would it? Johnson and Mordaunt aka two prolific Conservative parliamentary members both dropped out and backed the current leader and many of their supporters would have likely then backed Sunak if Johnson essentially gave the blessing to support Sunak and unite the party as many voted against Sunak during the summer elections because of his involvement in unseating the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

[@Bubblegum-pk3yn]

6 in 8 years? Boris Johnson, May, Truss, Sunak, Johnson again, who's the 6th? Cameron resigned in 2016, so that'd be 7 years and that is also misleading if someone resigns and then use it to make it seem more than it is. For example, when Tony Blair resigned and Brown was elected that was 2 PM's in a day! It wasn't though it was 2 PM's in 13 years I don't like them but it'd be misleading to try and misconstrued how many PM's actually served. Many PM's as of now have been voted out due to failing to get BREXIT done, Cameron resigned because he didn't believe in BREXIT, May resigned because she couldn't get a deal done, Johnson resigned due to a fabricated report against him, Truss resigned because she didn't fund her tax cuts as she should have done quite frankly, and Sunak isn't likely to resign when he took over we were expected to lose about 2,500 council seats he halved that and the membership will see it too.

[@rononel8046]

@@Bubblegum-pk3yn you're right, it would be 6 in 7 years, your maths checks out. Boris didn't resign because of some made up report, he resigned because 50 (a record number) ministers resigned in 24 hours because of his appointment of Chris Pincher & his subsequent lying about knowledge of his transgressions...

[@Gonzie6]

Exactly why they won’t boot him now. They want more time to try and cling onto power/hoard up more money

[@DanielleKingdjdinosaur]

please bring boris back and ensure the tories do not see power for a generation.

[@bok7364]

In my opinion, bringing back Boris would be catastrophic for the Tories. They’ve already burned through 3 prime ministers in a handful of months and bringing back the most unpopular of those three will only result in electoral evisceration next year!

[@alexharrington6459]

I'm delighted at the prospect and therefore, their inevitable oblivion in '24.

[@bauefrenchmen3126]

Yeah but yout thinking like someone who earned their place and position in society.

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

So, let's hope they do 😉

[@thecryingsoul]

I think you underestimate just how unpopular Liss was lol

[@Da1Dez]

Cool! So let's do it then!

[@kellypaws]

If you’re faced with a bucket full of turds, the answer is a different bucket. Not a different turd.

[@verystripeyzebra]

A different bucket isn't on offer.

[@Lando-kx6so]

If the tories tried to oust Sunak they would for sure be destroyed at the GE. Getting rid of him after that Boris & Liz Truss fiasco would be a horrible idea

[@ethanol1586]

I love hearing good news

[@MalkWilliams]

I think the emphasis on vote share and Labour's ~8pt lead misses a big point. You did allude to the commited anti-Tory vote, but a lot of those voters are much more conscious of tactical voting now. Voting patterns are likely to be different in a general election because of that, and that could mean much worse news for the Tories. Be still my bleeding heart.

[@byrnemeister2008]

I hope you are right and the anti Tory sentiment holds. I would like to see the tactical voting embraced by the anti Tory parties. I think that would see them out in a lot of unexpected seats.

[@MichelleBlessing]

It doesn't affect me here in Italy but I'll be delighted for the British people when they get the Tories out!

[@lukas_gallagher]

this country is in shambles

[@prometheus7387]

Honestly Rishi Sunak is one of the better conservatives out there, but conservatives are just bad in general

[@vivahate100]

Based on what? What exactly makes him 'better'? He's a Billionnaire who asked a Homeless man if he worked in Finance. My god. He's still trying to push the the destruction of our Nation is down to small boats narrative whilst peddling his '5 fixes' pledge that he doesn't have a mandate for. He's just as bad, he just doesn't say anything deliberatley controversial, largely because he hasn't got any speaking skills.

[@bereal6590]

No he is not. There is a huge list of his misdemeanours he is as corrupt greedy and a liar like the rest!!

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

Just because someone smiles before stabbing you in the stomach doesn’t mean he’s good.

[@goinggoinggone535]

​@@jeremydunn932It's still true about Sunak though. He is the best Tory, but that's like saying one turd smells a lot better than other turds. It still stinks.

[@goinggoinggone535]

@@jeremydunn932 These are all correct assessments of Sunak. However, despite this Boris, Truss, Give, etc are even worse prospects for PM. Sunak is the worst party leader in Westminster, and he's still better than anyone else in his horrid party. The entire Tory party should be binned.

[@stevedoggart2805]

Never underestimate the stupidity of the masses during a General Election

[@djoakeydoakey1076]

Or at any time. Wasn't it George Carlin who said be careful of a group of stupid people going in the same direction?

[@iteor7320]

Playing devil's advocate here but Isn't that called democracy?

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

@@iteor7320 it’s not democracy if people were lied to

[@iteor7320]

@@TheSuperPsychoKiller Wdym the words on the side of that bus were totally true... *cough cough*

[@brexiesus8213]

​@@TheSuperPsychoKiller you expect honesty in politics?!?!? 😂😂😂

[@rieuwerthuisman2702]

The Tories are losing the moderate voters as I see it, so going more to the extreme right will probably not solve their problem.

[@raggedcritical]

At this point they don't have anything to offer anyone except bigots, so their strategy of pushing culture wars and otherwise trying to scare people into becoming more bigoted and right-wing makes a certain amount of sense.

[@Cunnysmythe]

I don't think they're do something by being too right wing, they're losing then because they're failing on kitchen table issues that affect everyone

[@Eoin-B]

It's not like hard right voters are voting lib dem in protest. They have nowhere else to vote at the moment.

[@catmonarchist8920]

It almost worked for Trump in a far worse situation

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

​@@Cunnysmythe right wingers don't like the Tories because they don't achieve anything regarding the small boats. They just talk.

[@CoconutandFamily]

I have always supported Torries, but I will never forgive them the Brexit, I would rather give my vote to greens or Lib Dem now.

[@cp1011986]

I vote differently for local and national, I don't see how they are related.

[@verystripeyzebra]

Why would a tory vote for a Labour Councillor. Of course voting patterns are different to a general election, but they provide a useful indicator of the general mood.

[@johnchessant3012]

So far, Sunak has lasted almost 4 Liz Trusses

[@Robbins996]

Cameron didn’t win a majority in 2010.

[@davidmcculloch8490]

Hard to see the end of Sunak because the Tories will struggle to find a suitable idiot to replace him.

[@frankieseward8667]

Everyone else is just unsuitable as leaders.

[@ameliamoseley7698]

The greens actually gained overall control over a council, bringing them up to a total of one council

[@hardcorelace7565]

They by far had the greatest percentage increase in number of councils held! That's a +infinity% increase!

[@AxelQC]

This week marks the 13th anniversary of Cameron's election as PM. The Tories have held onto power for far too long in Britain, and the results have been devastating. Since then they've had 5 terrible PMs and led the country into the disasterous Brexit.

[@Da1Dez]

Not to mention they've not had any solid wins because of their policies.... 2010: Didn't win, formed a coalition. 2015: Barely won, but only because they said they'd have a European referendum, not because if their policies. 2017: Lost their majority. 2019: Only win to get Brexit done.... What's their next convenient luck I wonder.

[@llanieliowe794]

Mid Suffolk Stowmarket the first ever Green Party majority council💪💚☘✅

[@BOABModels]

Big gains for left of centre parties so Tories say they need to be more right wing. What are they on?

[@lucasmartin3995]

I’m not even British and enjoy British TLDR! Great channel.

[@UPYERKILT]

Amazing how the tories believe in experts all of a sudden

[@Dbdbe1]

Stop saying that Cameron gained a majority in 2010! He didn’t. He was the leader of the largest party in a hung parliament - which is exactly where Starmer’s Labour is currently most likely to be.

[@arlosmith2784]

Here is the Tory problem: I don't see a Winston Churchill or Margaret Thatcher waiting in the wings to replace Sunak. Bring back Boris Johnson and the Tories will finish 4th in a General Election 👎

[@squashyhex9818]

Now that I would pay to see

[@moochincrawdad]

Send in the clown!

[@MartinPoulter]

Love how a video clip of Liz Truss is put in to illustrate the concept of "internal chaos".

[@UdoBloss]

They’ll blame Putin, oh wait he helps fund them - they’ll blame Jeremy Corbyn. 😂

[@vincentmckenna1755]

Russia helped the country too qe bought masses of hoods of them

[@SevenEllen]

We'd be in a very different country today if Corbyn had been our Prime Miniser. A lot more people would be alive, probably.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

I have already heard them blame Putin. I haven't heard them mention Corbyn. He is now irrelevant.

[@TheAllRounderMemes]

credit to the lib dems and the greens for soaking up loads of seats too

[@Steviebond2]

Short answer, no. Because they'll start plummeting to Truss levels again, and let's not forget the 13 years of Tory incompetence.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

What is more worrying is that the tories still have seats left... Who in their right mind can give them their vote still. Mindboggling.

[@stephanguitar9778]

We punished our local tories because they stopped a wonderful pedestrianisation project on the day it started, closed down and bulldozed the local swimming pool, tried to close down the gym and sports facilities. To do all this they engaged the help of our Tory MP who used their influence and legal resources to get the destruction done.

[@reeling-in]

Now try and get something out of these locally elected councillors!

[@simonglancy7070]

you can basically add all of the greens vote share onto labour at a general election and roughly 40-55% of the lib dem vote as well. When you factor in the 2 party system we have at a general election this is devastating for the Conn.

[@Monkey341]

Those against China will not be PM for long. Those who advocate working with China for a win-win benefits will be PM for a longer time. The British people wants good relations and stability.

[@John-boy70138]

Don’t be ridiculous… hardly anyone turned out for the local elections… that shows a lack of support to all parties. They all need to up their game.

[@vincentmckenna1755]

Independents were the winners

[@Gilder-von-Schattenkreuz]

How the hell does a Local Council have so many Seats in the first Place ???

[@mattevans4377]

Can we talk about the low voter turn out? People have given up voting, they know they are doomed whatever happens.

[@andrewwalsh2755]

Vote Green Party! 🇬🇧... or spoil your vote... at least register your disapproval of the 2 main parties.

[@edwinfitchett6033]

In some parts of the country many former tory councillors were standing as independents splitting the vote. The low turnout would also have reduced the "traditional" votes

[@karlharvey4806]

Consider that conservatives also gained alot of votes from people not having a valid id and still lost loads

[@marcelanoryadi9110]

Wait. illegals can vote in UK ?

[@byrnemeister2008]

@@marcelanoryadi9110 No, they no where you live. It’s called the electoral roll. ID is not needed.

[@zesky6654]

​@@marcelanoryadi9110 people who are registered as living in a district can vote in that district. They need to present ids, but the gov tried to change which ids count so that they could discriminate against young voters.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

You logic doesn't work. People without valid ID can't vote. They potentially could have lost votes from people without valid ID, same as every other party.

[@jimisalt]

@@rogermelly8260I don’t think that is true at least from the measure that were put in place. For example 65+ Oyster cards were allowed but not younger/student cards, many other examples of ID favouring the older like this

[@jobrodie7514]

Any idea what the turnout was? The BBC seem to be treating it as a secret.

[@DavidJamesHenry]

Why are we still treating the Tories like they are impossible to replace?

[@theuglykwan]

They win by pluralities as the rest of the vote is split between parties and also labour is concentrated less efficiently.

[@MatthewJBD]

The public has fired them.

[@Woodzta]

People are getting ahead of themselves. I know I'm not alone in voting differently for local elections.

[@sjewitt22]

Can someone actually explain the difference between Starmer and the right of Labour and the Lib Dems.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Lib Dems are centrist, Labour is left wing To be more detailed the Lib Dems don’t run campaigns with national ideas like Labour or the Tories. They run on more local ideas letting local MPs decide their policies for their constituents rather than setting one agenda for the whole party

[@lairddougal3833]

And that’s despite the voter suppression ploy.

[@samgrainger1554]

What is wrong with people who are still voting tory

[@JohnHollyoak-vx6pn]

Insanity!

[@MANUELEYTOR]

how can a party so unpopular and inefficient hold on to so much power? Their rule has been disastrous and yet they stay firmly ruling over people who don't want them.

[@Azmodaeus49]

Starmer thought he slammed dunked the tories 😂😂😂 (he's lame), tories though...are even worse.

[@Azmodaeus49]

@allergy5634 Good for me, I don't vote for him.

[@SlowhandGreg]

We have FPTP there appears to be a lot of tactical voting

[@asahdo]

Honestly a Labour-green coalition with libdem as the main opposition party (or vice versa) would be my dream. If only we could sort out or tactical voting to get rid of the tories in every constituency

[@kayla-Rey22]

Not really my dream. I'm a woman - you know one of those strange anomalies who has a cervix, a womb, and I can get pregnant and have babies. Now why would I vote for a party that doesn't even recognise what a woman is?

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Frankly I’d rather the Lib Dems and Greens form a coalition. That way they can almost match the Tories and Labour and we have a more diverse political system

[@asahdo]

@@kayla-Rey22 i agree with you about women. I do wish the Labour and Greens would see sense on this. I don’t think it’s worth voting the tories in over this issue though as we’d end up with no nhs, no middle class, a worse economy, more pollution, less green space, and greater inequality of wealth. We just need to make sure that our voices are heard on this issue too, refuse to be silenced and make them listen.

[@kayla-Rey22]

@@asahdo : I agree about the Tories. The NHS is a disaster at the moment. I don't know about other parts of the country but I have friends in Devon and the hospital A&E departments are full of people (up to 8 hours waiting time to be seen) because everyone is going to A&E instead of their local doctor's surgery. And the reason for this? GPs are still refusing to attend the surgery to see patients even though Covid is no longer an issue. People cannot get an appointment to see a doctor anymore. Not only that, the GPs started off having phone appointments and giving diagnosis without even examining their patients (lots of cancer mis-diagnosis, but that's another story) but now they have to book online to get a telephone appointment and then wait 2 weeks for the phone call. I just cannot understand how doctors get away with this. The Tory government are paying them massive salaries to stay at home and not see patients. Why is this not a national scandal? It's an absolute disgrace.

[@Lilitha11]

It is almost like if you screw around there might be consquences.

[@rebeccamondloch4265]

Get rid of all of them

[@Infinitystar225]

Anarchism is dumb.

[@jimisalt]

@@Infinitystar225yor dum

[@LandAnchor]

I can’t see them dumping Sunak at this late stage. I mean who the hell have they got left at this point?

[@jjtotheb]

Is sunak even in charge, what's he done apart from make kids to sums

[@myg14570]

He finished brexit. A task that took four tory pm to do.

[@TheGuyWhoAsked69420]

@@myg14570yea, and we’re still an economic basket case. Seems like cutting off ties with our largest trading partner was bad idea eh? 45% of imports and exports… SHEEESHH. Europe doesn’t care, since they’re a big trading block, trade with the uk is only 6% of imports and exports. Easily supplemented by increasing production in the EU. The UK is left with no friends after Brexit. The Empire is long dead

[@BinaryHedgehog]

My Tory councillor was delivering leaflets with a baby in a papoose. I thought she must be feeling desperate if she needed to canvas with a human shield!

[@___AD]

Labours problem is most Labour supporters don't like Starmer either. He is seen a just a Tory with a Red Tie. This is why the votes are so split. The worst thing that could happen in the General Election is the vote being so split Starmer will have to get into bed with the SNP to win the election and it will be on the bases of an Independence Vote which he will agree to just to get into power...

[@jonsmith5058]

Sounds great to me. I'd love Scotland to leave the UK, perhaps even hope they might rejoin the EU. It would also make things like a vote of PR even more possible which could finally end the reign of the Tories by putting them rightly in the margins and also mean that slimy politicians like Starmer won't get far leading the left wing and we might get more principled people like Corbyn back in leadership positions, its been far too long since we had a Labour leader like that, Clement Atlee was the best Prime Minister we ever had and we need someone like that back to rebuild the UK.

[@imkirbo3094]

@@jonsmith5058 Scotland are never going to leave the UK for a hundread reasons, don't waste your breath flogging that dead horse.

[@jeremymanson1781]

I would put money on that not happening. Labour know that would be a vote loser.

[@nejdalej]

They won't get into bed with the SNP. The press have been demonising them for decades and continue to undermine them at every turn. If he's going to bed with anyone it's the Lib Dems or the Greens.

[@verystripeyzebra]

Maybe, better a tory in a red tie than a fascist in a blue one.

[@abc-zz5zf]

Maybe it is Michael Jackson Moonwalk - going forwards, while going backwards.

[@thomash6497]

So a few things. First, Cameron didn’t win a majority in 2010, so stop repeating that falsehood. Second, each local election cycle favours different parties. Wales, London and some other areas where Labour are particularly strong didn’t vote yesterday. The extrapolation for the GE will differ for Labour depending which council seats feature in the pre-GE year you look at. That is to say that as the timing of the GE is a political choice, while local elections are in four year cycles, the same set of seats do not feature in the year before every GE. Also, local showing for independants are somewhat atypical in post-Brexit politics and skew the stats. And finally, partisan gerrymandering in boundary changes and voter suppression have never been as cynical, blatant or significant as in 2023. Thus the accuracy of methodology, data sets and the historical precedents/comparisons ought to be considered, with analysis heavily caveated, in this context.

[@tt-ew7rx]

Medway and Dover results show that the focus on small boats is not working.

[@romitkumar6272]

Can we have a proper liberal party again? One that is for liberal social values and classical liberal (laissez-faire) economic policy

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

That was tories plan, cratered spectacularly.... Won't have that nonsense anymore for aat least a decade hopefully. Give the country a bit of time to recover before getting the axe in again will you.

[@jimisalt]

you realise that is why the nation is in such an enfeebled state right?

[@shaunprice3219]

Thing is where I live there was only a choice between Tory Green and Reform UK parties. I’m sure the same thing happened elsewhere and so considering I’d never vote for a Conservative Party voted for lesser evil Green…

[@jeremymanson1781]

Not heard of 'Tory Green'.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Same. I don’t like the Tories so I’m going Green

[@jimisalt]

How are greens the lesser evil compared to the conservatives (or any party for that matter) at least what is displayed in their manifesto is the foundations of what could be considered even a utopian society

[@iffracem]

Sad thing is, just like here in Australia (where we threw out the conservatives last election) and in the US, in the end you still have to vote for a politician. Politicians are politicians, deep down where it counts they are all the same. Like saying a Dalmantion is a different animal to a Labrador. Sure they're superficially dissimilar, one having spots and one doesn't. But they're both a domestic dog (Canis Familiaris) Left wing or right wing politician.. different spots, same unsavoury animal (unlike dogs).

[@Azmodaeus49]

Very true, nice analogy

[@Impuritex]

Let's have an AI in place instead. At least it won't constantly lie and ruin the economy.

[@di7209]

@@ImpuritexThe AI is probably made by a big tech company though so then it’s still rich people in charge

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Funny that the only people who talk like that are pretty much exclusivly people living under a fptp system with pretty much only 2 parties that matter. Most of them based of off the british system.

[@jimisalt]

the further left you go the more genuine they get, see Yanks Varoufskis or Jeremy Corbin, basically anyone a member of Diem25 or democracy now. The issue is an abundance of those seeking conservation of their power and not change hence why conservative parties should never be voted for as they only serve the powerful

[@DeKevers]

I'm 18 and made sure my vote counted in Plymouth! We are now which is a big change for us.

[@RicardoD957]

No because its councillors, in my area the Tories (in fact most parties apart from Labour) didn't bother putting. If it was MPs then of course its the end. But its not, no one cares about the councillors elections.

[@lovejetfuel4071]

Some news media are saying that Labour would be 28 seats short of getting in. I think Labour would do even better in a GE, this was for counsels that has no impact on who would get into #10. Plus there were many places that didn't vote, such as Wales, Scotland, NI and other counties in England. Including London, that generally vote Labour

[@nouta6440]

Hey, not only Brits went to the polls. You don't need a British citizenship to vote in local elections.

[@HimitsuHunter]

Cons: Oh no... its not working!!! We need to do it HARDER!!!!

[@lemongrass5412]

first comment

[@lemongrass5412]

i think that's twice in a row

[@AB-qo2xq]

They should never have got rid of Boris. Ridiculous decision.

[@reagan8653]

Sunak will win 2024, because trust me, people hate Starmer too. Many who switch votes from Tories will vote for Lib Dems instead. And on Sunak, his approvals eventhough low, it’s slowly increasing. A Nov 2024 election for UK will be great for a Tories victory under Sunak

[@geminusleonem9365]

Ahahahahahahahah! Hilarious!

[@reagan8653]

@@geminusleonem9365 wait and watch! U guys have waited for 13 years. Will have to wait for 6 or 11 years more atleast 😉

[@billysastard8779]

@@reagan8653 Did you suffer certain amount of emotional damage yesterday?

[@jeremymanson1781]

I don't think many people 'hate' Starmer. It seems most people are not really aware of him or have no idea what his vision and ideas are for the country.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

If the tories win again, britain will be the laughing stock of international diplomacy lol. The damage it would do to reputation abroad would be devistating.

[@michaelmacdonell4834]

Don't get my hopes up like that.

[@hosephanerothe1440]

Tory MPs did not vote for Truss, they voted for Sunak. A few noisy MPs voted for Truss

[@abapaper7416]

Mid Devon was a surprise for me🎉

[@nickbarton3191]

Last GE, Johnson offered "Get Brexit Done". This time they've got nothing but more austerity and crippling taxes. They've shot their bolt.

[@evolutionxbox]

Bless them. They think the PM is the issue.

[@aarononeal9830]

Tldr needs to talk to you about Ecosia it is a search engine that plants trees

[@soniabaker9790]

Get em out, 13 yrs of cuts to us, but not to them.

[@hot_ice_e1ite46]

over 8'000 seats???? there's not even that many people in Britain why do they need so many

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

is there a reason conservative voters didn't vote for the party that makes the most sense considering thier beliefs? I was a bit surprised by the complete lack of conservatives voting for reform UK.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Reform UK is too right wing for some people

[@boris1066]

Oh noooo!! Not Doris for pity sake 😢

[@josephdyson3737]

Projected share also historically overestimates the Lib Dem performance, and isn’t a perfect indicator of how they’d perform in a general election where their vote historically is more concentrated. Some analysis suggests LAB would fall short of a majority on the PNS, but that definitely fails to consider tactical voting and the fact the SNP are beginning to falter north of the border, with Yousaf who (early days granted) is struggling to make an impression and hasn’t had a new leader bounce, quite the opposite. All in all, Labour mostly did what they needed to do and achieved some pretty stunning results in council areas where the parliamentary seat would be in the hundreds on their target list.

[@clownofthetimes6727]

It was Boris and Truss who lost these seats. Sunak actually looks normal so give him time.

[@jimisalt]

He is not normal he is against the science backed recommendations to address climate change effectually (possibly) killing us all by not acting on what has been recommend.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

New reign, new Labour, new Government.

[@adrianaspalinky1986]

*All party's engaged in expectation management