The UK-Ireland Migrant Dispute Explained

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Tensions are rising as Ireland is threatening to send asylum seekers back to the UK who have travelled via Northern Ireland. So in this video, we'll explain what's happened, how the Rwanda policy is affecting the issue and whether this can be resolved.
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[@talideon]

A bit of clarification: the Common Travel Area covers Ireland and the UK, not just the island of Ireland.

[@JohnDundas]

It covers more than the two islands, it also includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

[@joeduffy3309]

to simplify it, it covers UK and Irish citizens only, Britain is allowing it to be abused and anyone found abusing can and will be returned.

[@jonmould2946]

This all hot air, as we have the EU Kalergi plan.

[@josephthompson1318]

For ROI & UK citizens not open.

[@davyjones1335]

yea indeed that comment in the video above, makes it sound like its ireland fault because of the free travel area, just a reminder it was the uk who forced northern Ireland into what it is today.

[@TheShepTV]

The Common travel area is not the open border between Uk and Ireland. It’s the right of anyone British or Irish citizen to move, live and work anywhere on these islands.

[@SilentEire]

It’s a distinction without a difference to make people feel better about the fact that they’re utilising a system they were told to hate. Like expat / immigrant

[@TheShepTV]

@@SilentEire No. It is not. It is something entirely different. You might as well try telling me that my right to head North without a VISA is an advantage of the Shengen zone. It is incorrect. And fill me in RE people being taught to hate the CTA. Missed that.

[@RazorMouth]

​@@SilentEire do you often make things up in your head?

[@noeldoyle4501]

​@@SilentEireI think that the CTA is for British and Irish citizens only.

[@Richard1A2B]

It's the right of any British or Irish person to work and live, non-British/Irish don't enjoy that right.

[@mattcoxonline]

Rwanda should strike a deal to send their refugees to Ireland, then the circle will be complete. ♻

[@andrewlee-py9zm]

lmfaoooo

[@RazorMouth]

Nahh well just take their biometrics and drop them back to Belfast. There will be no 2nd plantation of Ireland from Britain.

[@Thichaou]

Once in a while a leftist can think, and this is what he can come up with? It's better raise a pig farm than raise the leftists like you!

[@Mtioo1]

The unholy trinity

[@Richard1A2B]

Rwanda already has a deal to send them to the UK.

[@Demotruk]

I don't usually comment but this is the first time I've heard an English news anchor pronounce the word "Taoiseach" perfectly.

[@DQX1159]

Literally went CTRL+F on "Taoiseach" to see if anyone had commented on it before me - surprised to hear it on the vid, but, well done for using the correct term

[@tedcrilly46]

Just say Irish prime minister. Nobody tolerable cares. We say French prime minister, not le premiere ministre Francais. Nor el senor presidente for Spanish speaking presidents.

[@mintcrisp94]

@@tedcrilly46 The difference is that in both examples you gave, prime minister and president are both the respective titles, just in their own languages. Taoiseach does not translate to prime minister, it's a unique title for the head of government who holds similar powers to a typical prime minister.

[@tedcrilly46]

@@mintcrisp94 its functionally the same. That anyone cares is a sad example of the pointless pedantry of our times.

[@Quantum-1157]

She might be of Irish origin….

[@fathead999]

As an Irish person just want to say the Irish government has fallen out with the Tories, not Britain. The political and personal sentiment here is a deep willingness to get along and work together for all of our personal gain. A strong GB is good for Ireland and a strong Ireland is good for GB. The issues with the tories are because: They pushed for a poorly planned brexit They sold the DUP a lie destabilising the North. - This is honestly the biggest deal because a loyalist community lost at sea is dangerous. They blamed Ireland for their decision and now they are punishing Ireland for a disagreement they are having with France, knowing that the Irish government can't respond due to very sensitive situation in the North and around the border and the risk of further escalating tensions. None of this would have been an issue without brexit, without BoJo, and with May nearly crashing the GB economy. The tories have shit in the bed and want everyone else to clean it up.

[@TheOmegaXicor]

No, they don't want anyone to clean it up, they want everyone to work around it and ignore the smell...

[@stretfordender11]

Your government is in Brussels not Dublin because you are a member state and not a nation. We voted to be a nation once again. The EU should be stopping these people in the Mediterranean and everyone would be ok.

[@AmateurHEROduelist]

These refugees are coming from France who come through numerous other safe countries. If Ireland has a problem with these refugees, they need to speak to France not the UK as they're the ones enabling them.

[@wumpyjumps]

Always makes me happy when people recognise the difference between a country, its people and its government. The Tories are an utter embarassment and while the UK state itself has problems, imo the government is like 99x worse.

[@xianxiaemperor1438]

Agreed

[@TheFinalDemon117]

Slight clarification - It was proposed that 100 Gardaí should be posted to the border but it never went through. It was confirmed by Tánaiste Michael Martin that they wouldn't be posting any Gardaí to the border.

[@clownofthetimes6727]

Yep totally correct. He said the 100 Gardai will be only near the border.

[@robw7676]

The border is 300 miles long, I'm not sure 100 people would do the trick tbh

[@inbb510]

I think Sunak does have a point though. Why should the UK not have a right to return asylum seekers to France (an EU country) but should be required to take them back from Ireland (another EU country)? This all would be much less of a problem if Frontex actually did their jobs and controlled their borders. Britain is already one of the most densely populated countries in Europe and the EU seems to think they can just dump their shortcomings of their immigration problems onto Britain. Furthermore it is hippocritical for the EU and France to criticise the UK's Rwanda policy when they themselves are also considering a similar scheme. (Because it IS also putting pressure on their social welfare systems too, e.g. Denmark, Sweden, France, Italy, Austria, Germany etc). At the end of the day, we can not simply take everyone in the world that wants to come to the UK. Necessary evils will have to be committed to get our asylum system and our immigration system under control as the boats coming from the shores are simply unsustainable for the UK economy. That's the bottom line. There comes a point where the economy doesn't care about humanity and too many intake of vulnerable people into an already economically struggling country will make things worse in the foreseeable future.

[@henrybatten3315]

The vast majority of immigration isn't via these boats though, its via legal immigration allowed by the conservatives (i.e students visas). Its far more likely that the conservative stance is actually pro immigration to cheaper labour costs and benefit businesses at the expense of British wages whilst taking a hardline stance on the boat crossings to appease anti immigration members of the party and public.

[@CS_____]

when the economy doesn't care about humanity the only reasonable suggestion is to restructure the economy

[@inbb510]

​@@CS_____, no not really because the economy serves humanity. Not the other way round. The economy always serves humanity. Morality is a luxury and prosperity brings the illusion of altruism from people. If there are too many dependents and vulnerable people in a society, no matter what economic system you have, that is going to cost the economy negatively.

[@baneofbalor5881]

The difference here is that travelling from France to the UK, should (in theory) be much more difficult. There is no travel agreement between France and the UK, thus, the only way migrants can get to the UK from France is through illegal means. The UK also has the right to enforce border controls with France. You say that Frontex is not doing their jobs, but the same could be said for the UK, not being able to control crossings from France. This is different from the situation with Ireland, where refugees can legally cross the sea to NI and then cross the border into the Republic and the Irish government has no legal means to stop them, due to the provision in the Good Friday agreement that prevents border checks of any kind. Is it fair that the UK can't send refugees back to France once they reach the UK? I would argue no, but they can take steps to prevent crossings in the first place. Ireland cannot, without breaking the rules of the Good Friday agreement.

[@inbb510]

​@@henrybatten3315, my comment still stands. It doesn't mean that we just have to accept increasing numbers of people coming to the UK illegally through dinghies. Students and legal immigration of high skilled workers are not part of this discussion I'm making.

[@AmateurHEROduelist]

Why does no one talk about how many safe countries these migrants pass through before getting to the UK? And how France doesn't accept take backs and actively helps them across. But no ones mad at France.. They're a safe country too.

[@cal1787]

because they have to help them cross safely. If they die and the state doesnt try to help then they get the blame

[@jennifertennent8319]

It's not illegal to leave France, the government of France cannot detain people for wanting to leave and cannot make them settle in the country. It's not impossible some of these people have relatives in the UK or at least have some understanding of the English language. Furthermore, the UK, to the best of my understanding has refused an offer by France to set-up a processing center on French soil to review asylum claims. People literally have no other choice than to come to the UK to file an asylum claim. It seems like the Tory government is doing everything to ensure there is virtually no funding or infrastructure to process asylum claims, these people are waiting months and years for an answer while they sit in legal limbo unable to legally work. No wonder so many of these people are disappearing. And isn't this the end goal? These people will go away one way or another and no longer be a problem to the UK or be someone else's problem... Except by making the Irish government upset, now the UK is having trouble with Ireland. Cause and effect.

[@tobiwan001]

Sorry, but the UK receives a tiny amount of irregular migrants compared to other European countries. Within the Schengen/Dublin-zone you could send back the migrants to the country of first entry, but the UK is not a member and with large amounts of migrants that system gets overwhelmed. That's what happened in 2015 when countries receiving a lot of migrants realized that it is simply not possible to use this return clause for large numbers. That's what Germany did when they no longer send migrants back to Greece and Italy and what the UK press turned into "Merkel inviting migrants to come to Germany". Of course those were 1m irregular migrants that year and not the tiny amount the UK receives and still can't handle.

[@jalapenogorilla5507]

@@tobiwan001 735,000 in 2023 - the UK is smaller than a lot of EU countries. Why would this be sustainable?

[@tobiwan001]

@@jalapenogorilla5507 but only 40k irregular migrants. The rest were regular migrants that have a job or - in most cases - students. Do you want to send students to Rwanda too?

[@javanava8925]

I just do not understand why Europe doesn't take all immigrants (necessary for the economy) from South and Central America? And only 1% who are really political immigrants or because of their religion. NO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! By the way, I am Croatian living in Ireland for the past 8 years, I came here LEGALLY. I was sick maybe 20 days tops in the past 8 years. Worked in average more than 40 hrs per week. Didn't take anything that is not mine. Never had any issues with the law.

[@tobeytransport2802]

The common travel area isn’t just on the Island of Ireland, it also includes the Island of Great Britain and the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands as well.

[@Richard1A2B]

The Irish government have NOT deployed 100 police officers to the border with the North. Nor have they ever had any intention of doing so, despite what was erroroniously written in some British media.

[@tiglishnobody8750]

Who thinks we going set up hard border?

[@sarbo2335]

​@@tiglishnobody8750literally the whole point of the Good Friday Agreement's peace treaty was to not have hard borders, neither side is just going to throw that away so easily

[@rtsharlotte]

Ireland don't even have a spare 100 Guardia to send to the boarder 😂😂

[@tiglishnobody8750]

@@rtsharlotte And why do we even want to?

[@brianbeag]

A reasonable explanation. However, the sudden comment by the Irish minister that 80% of the 6700 ‘irregular’ asylum seekers this year have arrived from NI is unsubstantiated and was made a few weeks after she had been unable to answer a similar question in the Dáil stating the data wasn’t being recorded. Furthermore, photo ID is required before boarding a flight or ferry from Britain to NI. It maybe possible that some people have done so with forged documents but unlikely that thousands have done so in the first few months of 2024. It is also important to note that these comments were made just after the Rwanda Bill was passed into law in the UK. However, the new ETA policy recently introduced by the UK for 7 Middle East Arab countries does provide a loophole for people from those countries to travel to the Uk, with a passport and then onward to NI and then into Ireland where they are claiming asylum. This gives the opportunity for Palestinians with Jordanian passports to arrive in Ireland accordingly and take advantage of the very generous asylum system whereas a regular visa application would possibly be denied. There is no data how many people are availing themselves of this option but I wouldn’t think it would be high. In my view, the Rwanda situation is merely a convenient distraction by the Irish government to deflect from their reckless immigration policy which is being rejected by increasing numbers of their citizens. Recent data shows that the number of non natives has increased by a third in the past 20 years and is now 22% of the population.

[@TheOmegaXicor]

The Rwanda scheme is a convenient distraction for every government involved, it doesn't do anything to fix the problems but gives everyone something to argue about rather than fix the problem.

[@AshWeststar]

I live in NI and on a few occasions (including this year) when travelling from NI to GB, they never bothered checking my ID at all. The opposite way though, they always checked.

[@brianbeag]

@@AshWeststar thanks Ash. Was that on the ferry, because I also travel to NI, mainly by air and photo I’d always checked. It’s a little while since I used the ferry but I’m fairly certain I had to produce ID at the port. Also, checked on the internet and it said ID was required.

[@brizzo7]

They very seldom check for ID when you take the ferry. From NI and used to live in Glasgow, and I'd often get the ferry home for a weekend or a short break. It was the rare exception that anyone asked for ID or for documentation. That said, I don't look like a foreign migrant, so presumably looking and sounding "local" was a factor...

[@brianbeag]

@@brizzo7 fair point - this is the text on STENA LINE website, ‘’Travelling Between Britain and Ireland: UK and Irish citizens travelling Britain and Ireland do not need a passport to travel but are advised to take the following as proof of identity. A valid Passport with MRZ code*, Photographic Driving License, Birth Certificate, European ID card with MRZ Code**, National ID card***, International Student Card, Health Insurance/Social Security Photographic ID Card, Photographic Bus/Train Pass or Work ID Card.’’

[@davidmc543]

This is full of errors. TLDR should have done better here considering this is basically local news.

[@RonSill1986]

They know what they're doing

[@geoffreycostello3790]

Love your channel but you are wrong about the common travel area. It's not about the border with NI . It means the right for UK and RoI citizen to travel between and work in the UK and ROI with no restrictions.

[@graveperil2169]

yes but none gets on a plane without ID

[@thomasaquinas1457]

It’s crazy how so many refugees and asylum seekers come from countries that aren’t at war and are halfway around the world.

[@user-xj4ef5pv2d]

2 hours on a bus from belfast to dublin my hole, I want to know where TLDR is getting their bus info

[@RazorMouth]

It is about 2 hours. I used to live in Dundalk, which is an hour from Belfast. I could get to the docks in Dublin city in 55 minutes through the port tunnel. If the bus is direct its close to 2 hours.

[@JackDrewitt]

From your hole?

[@AdamOBrien29]

My hole 😂😂 don't need anymore clues to know you're Irish

[@esioanniannaho5939]

2uir. Niol Suim agam I'd thoinin a Mhico

[@AdamOBrien29]

@@esioanniannaho5939 an bhuill cad agam dul go dti an leithras?

[@ocanica3184]

I wonder what moral grandstanding we're going to get from the Pro-EU lot here. I voted remain but I'm not blind to every nations short comings and a common solution needs to be developed. And before I hear "if only there some sort of union....", it ain't working, ask the Frontex border nations. We need to do better solution, an equitable one.

[@TheOmegaXicor]

How about "if only there was some kind of functional government with a plan and a democratic mandate for it", that would be my answer, if only the Tories could find out that everyone outside their tiny bubble hates everything about them and their Rwanda scheme and would much rather have a functioning solution to the problem than expensive pipe dreams that don't even work in theory. Ah if only, but that would require intelligence and self reflection, neither of which are even known about in the Tory party or their supporter.

[@tomw4955]

Maybe we need to face it that europe cant take much more that most populaces are done prioritising asylum and foreign help over local investment in schools infrastructure and building more affordable housing and public amenities, parks sportcentres pools/ nature preserves.

[@Jajalaatmaar]

The European asylum system is fundamentally broken (and it was so from the start). 21% of rejected asylum seekers leave the EU. What's the point then?

[@jgw9990]

​@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn it's an irrelevance given the seekers will also use those services, as well as the specific aid.

[@jgw9990]

@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn You say it's small in comparison. But the NHS budget directly benefits every single person in Britain. The asylum funding benefits no British people. You cannot talk of scale without also referencing IMPACT.

[@DavidJBradshaw]

The solution is for Ireland to use the Dublin Convention to return these migrants back to which ever EU country they first entered.

[@NLJeffEU]

Not needed, the uk wanted to send them back to france. Im sure they welcome them with open arms now ireland wants to send them to the uk.

[@RazorMouth]

Stick to your agreements. As for France, that's between the UK and France.

[@edgardebruin5539]

send them to the UK

[@Vandel96]

@@RazorMouth So, now we should stick to our agreements? But when we tried to deport asylum seekers back to the first EU country (as set about in the Dublin Convention referenced above), it was morally wrong? Hypocritical ****.

[@RazorMouth]

@@Vandel96 UK is not part of the Dublin convention. It used to be and it was able to send back migrants when it was. How about you talk to France? What exactly is hypocritical? Makes no sense.

[@scottbuckley823]

Im Irish and i blame my government we've told them for years we don't want illegals here. Blaming Britain is just out government shifting blame

[@scott6926]

Blaming Britain is just a habit

[@AdamOBrien29]

90% of migrants came from the UK last year

[@callu947]

Yes immigration on a whole has been our governments fault but this recent bout is just the Brits finding another loophole to deal with their immigration problems

[@potatomahonman5008]

Blame both

[@jameshenry6855]

illegal immigrants by their definition are illegal. So i think you're confusing it with other forms of migration.

[@ZeZwede]

"Why Britain and Ireland has fallen out" "first time?" did they ever actually Fall In??

[@patrickkeating7074]

I worry about the future of my country Ireland, the Brits never accepted our independence and the jealousy is getting worse the more they become overpopulated and poor.

[@jovan-noble-guy749]

It isn' t the first time they 've fallen out, it 's their latest.

[@rebbybam230]

They're stuck together forever

[@user-jj9eh9vf7u]

Of course if it were true that these migrants were an economic and cultural benefit, we'd be living in a completely different world where nations would compete to attract them

[@TheOmegaXicor]

Nope because the voters don't like job competition (even imaginary ones) and fed by right wing lies those voters will kick out the government, the country would be better but the government evicted and no politician wants that.

[@OnSilverWings]

Good luck with that Ireland, Uk has had the same issue sending them back to France. Once they're on your doorstep, they're your problem. Got a problem with it? Take it up with France.

[@juanchoja]

Apples and oranges. The common travel area has existed since the 1920s, long before the EU, There is a special arrangement between Ireland and the UK that France and the rest of the EU don't have, such as freedom of movement even more generous than the EU. Ireland is not France and Sunkak's reasoning is plain one-sided. Ireland doesn't have a history of hosting immigrants like France to allow them to travel to the UK, but now the UK has become France's Ireland. The difference is that there are agreements in place for this and the UK is losing more credibility by simply walking away from their agreements. I hope this rime we send these Illegal migrants back to the UK, regardless, take them or take them.

[@wpjohn91]

100000000%

[@bothi00]

Typical englishman. For any and all problems, just blame the French. Brexit causes disruptions? It's the French s fault Brexit causes long queues at dover? Blame the French Bad migration policy and bad legislation and schemes to address? It must be the French's fault And people wonder why england is now considered an absolute joke and laughing stock worldwide

[@Thaumaturge2251]

Based

[@Pancakelover969]

How are they getting to Belfast in the first place, the tories are gladly letting them pass through. Sunak is a disgrace needs to go with the rest of the tories. The Rwanda plan is probably one of the most pointless and stupid plans in existence. England is the reason why so many countries are fucked up owing to years of colonialism followed by exploitation. Any member of a format colony should have an automatic right to asylum same can be said to the French who aren’t much better.

[@gedtierney374]

Common Travel Area is purely between Eire and the UK. It has nothing to do with France or the rest of the EU.

[@graveperil2169]

but it was the EU that forced it to stay when the UK wanted to close it

[@peterfox5897]

@@graveperil2169 it was the inhabitants of Ireland that didn't want a border running through the middle of their country. France wouldn't have cared less, they were solely interested in maintaining the integrity of the single market. Ireland already dealt with a 3 decade war to get to the relative peace we have now, and it would have been disastrous to stick a border in the country.

[@murpho999]

Sorry but the country name in English is Ireland not Éire.

[@murpho999]

@@graveperil2169rubbish. It’s all about the Good Friday Agreement which is an international and legally binding treaty that has brought peace to Ireland. .

[@brianjkelleher]

The script here is badly written, saying anyways after saying Ireland fought hard to keep the border open is very dismissive and unprofessional language, plus it doesn't seem that there is an understanding of the common travel area, and she commented on Sunak feeling his plan was working with a bit too much enthusiasm. other than that I'm happy to see this channel covering ireland

[@cloverite]

The economic migrants came into the UK from mainland EU, they should have been processed by the EU countries, as Ireland is part of the EU they should be speaking with fellow EU countries and Brussels to resolve this.

[@jackieblue1267]

The complication is the CTA. It's not straightforward as in coming via EU countries. Ireland and Britain is a unique case.

[@4thdealers]

At first, I was not used to the new hosts being kind, as I was kind of used to the usual guys, but you're doing a great job keeping the style of casual yet insightful comment around the news you report. Kudos !

[@tomhayes750]

"!British newspaper suggestion that Gardaí are being sent to Northern Irish border rubbished"..........j/s

[@mtw9471]

Just to note, Dublin didn't send 100 Garda to the border of Northern Ireland.

[@SkyGlitchGalaxy]

Zero chance chance UK is going to entertain this. 😂

[@davidfradgley751]

You'd be amazed at how little they can do to stop it.

[@caezar55]

Thats fine but lets see if Ireland take back any future asylum seekers who decide to move from Ireland to UK 🙂

[@MB-sj2lx]

We should let the Russians fly over Ireland demand the RAF stay out. Russians are no threat to us

[@jackieblue1267]

@@caezar55 They do this already. Anyway this whole issue is a Europe-wide issue and needs to be sorted by all the EU and the UK.

[@porridgeramen7220]

"Do you think Ireland's taking too many refugees" is such a dumb question because it removes the context of the housing crisis in which 35% of all Galway rental houses are vacant for no reason.

[@gegegegeggehehehhe]

Please dont have galway ruined its such a nice city.

[@Tukulti-Ninurta]

Thank you for that! I have been following the reporting on this in the mainstream media with increasing frustration. On the one hand, I was being told that an Irish court had declared Britain to be an unsafe country, and that this was the reason asylum seekers could not be sent back from Ireland to Britain. Which implies that there is some kind of agreement between the two countries. And indeed, I had read somewhere that there was such an agreement. And yet the media was also telling me that Rishi Sunak had said that he would refuse to take back any migrants. How could you do that if there was an agreement? You have explained that there is an agreement, but it is secret and the British government claimed that it is not legally binding. It really is pathetic to the BBC, which I am paying for, can’t explain the streets viewers and I have to go on KZbin to educate myself. Two quibbles about the video though. You say that the Rwanda plan involves sending migrants to Rwanda where their claims will be processed. This implies that their claims for asylum in the UK are going to be processed in Rwanda. This is not the case. They will be able to claim asylum in Rwanda and if they are successful they will stay there. They’re not coming back to the UK whatever happens. I think some people do misunderstand the Rwanda plan to mean that people are being deported to Rwanda temporarily while their claims for asylum in the UK are processed. You also say that Republic of Ireland fought strenuously to keep the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic open during the Brexit negotiations. In fact, there was never any suggestion by either side in the Brexit negotiations that there would be restrictions on the movement of people between Northern Ireland and the Republic, or between the UK and the island of Ireland. The only issue was whether there would be checks on goods and, if so, where. Finally, you’re a British channel (at least the people on it are British) so why the insistence on American English? I’ve never heard anyone in Britain pronounce route as ROWT. Never. Why? Why?

[@Tukulti-Ninurta]

Just to clarify, I realise you understand how the Rwanda scheme works. It’s just that people watching the video might have been misled into thinking that Rwanda is just being used as a processing facility.

[@peterperigoe9231]

On the foundation of the Irish Free State, now Eire, the Irish government agreed to adopt UK immigration policy of the time, the UK's Black book of persona non gratia. This insured that their was no need for a patrolled border on the Island of Ireland, this was done at the sea ports in an era when air travel didn't exist. This evolved into the Common Travel Area (CTA) which gives the right of free movement between Island of Ireland the UK, the Isle of Mann and the channel Islands. All this pre dates the EEC let alone the EU. The Schengen area covers 29 EU countries that officially abolished border controls at their mutual borders. The UK gained an exemption from this as it was an Island nation with no mutual border. Ireland followed to protect the CTA. In my opinion the main driver for the current discontent is the high level of domestic homelessness (about 13K?) a domestic housing crisis together with high levels of adult children living with their parents out of necessity. SUNAK is wrong, the boat people are coming from France (an EU country) to the UK. They are (the 80% figure is disputed) coming from the UK to the Island of Ireland and then south. There are no boat people coming from France to Ireland. So the UK should take illegals back, It is the UK and France's problem to resolve the boats issue and not push the matter onto Ireland.

[@zytoses9223]

so basically, Rwanda deal makes migrants go to Ireland, Ireland want's to send them to UK, Rwanda deal makes migrants go to Ireland... some loop that's gunna be.

[@DavidJBradshaw]

Ireland can use the Dublin convention to send them back to the EU.

[@TheOmegaXicor]

The Migrants fleeing now are ones that don't understand the stupidity and pointlessness of the Rwanda scheme, once it becomes obvious that the scheme is a failure they will come back, and there will have never been a drop in the number of boats coming across. Such a failed government that is afraid of the electorate who have never had any kind of say on this absurd waste of money.

[@Lando-kx6so]

Time to throw away the tories so this stupid policy can get thrown away too

[@silv3rArrow]

Why does the a-roll often look like it's not graded? 🤔

[@anthonymullen6300]

"Especially on the right"... lol you haven't got a clue, the current government is a Coalition of the two right wing parties in Ireland, this is not a "left right" issue. Ireland is a country a small towns and villages with native population of 4.2 million, the current population is 5.3 that is a massive demographic since change in the last 18 years and people have had their fill both on the left and the right.

[@SkinUpMonkey]

EU showing that they don't care, only say they care to look good.

[@SkinUpMonkey]

Also EU we left so stop dumping your trash here.

[@RazorMouth]

Nothing to do with the EU. Migration is a national competency, not an EU one. This was an agreement between Ireland and UK. But we all know, Britain's agreements mean nothing these days.

[@SkinUpMonkey]

@@RazorMouth it is since the EU are pro migration. Why do we have to have them when the EU is bigger and richer as they keep pointing out.

[@RazorMouth]

@@SkinUpMonkey The EU are pro migration? 🤣 The EU is 27 nations FFS, get a grip.

[@SkinUpMonkey]

@@RazorMouth oh so they don't work together as group that said come here you be safe and we welcome you in. Oh let's not forget how they hated the idea of us shipping people off to another country.

[@davidoh14]

5:57 "on the right" is not right. There is resistance across the political spectrum because the immigrant influx is exasperating the already present horrendous impact on every aspect of living in Ireland. Highest taxes and GDPPC in EU yet significant numbers rely on government support and food banks. For a country with a huge tourism economy, there is nowhere for these people to stay. People have to save, not spend, given the corruption by vulture funds.

[@conorlynch007]

Blaming immigrants for as you say the already present problems in a country is a right wing political message as old as time. Letting in less or more migrants won't fix the problems caused by vulture funds.

[@davidoh14]

@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn Absolutely, there are more underlying problems - using immigration as an excuse is always an excuse - though it is definitely exasperating.

[@nenasiek]

She said especially on the right

[@davidoh14]

@@nenasiek If it was said "especially on the left", it would be seen as "by those commies". Using divisive political wording without wider context - as is the TDLR approach, for good and bad - also excludes the middle ground. That middle ground was my point.

[@jamesmichaels4979]

Ireland: "Britain deporting migrants to Rwanda is inhumane". Also Ireland: "we will deport the migrants to Britain.... Who will deport them to Rwanda".

[@j4cksincl4ir]

@@Hatafafa As does von der Leyen. She passively aggressively blames the threat of the "far right" for making her do it though.

[@alanmarkfoster1862]

Countries should all try to be peaceful with their neighbors Germany despite its tyranny during the Nazi era seems to be on good terms with its neighbors

[@ElysiumCreator]

@@HatafafaGood one, will you be here all week?

[@FirelordAzula-xt6pk]

Do you not see a little hypocrisy on the other side though? Uk: France should take back illegal immigrants who leave their country Ireland: Can you take back yours then Uk: 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RonSill1986]

😂😂😂😂 mate, the hypocrisy is on Irelands and the EUs side. If both France and Ireland get whst they want then the UK is the only country that can't send them back to where they came from. 😂😂😂​@FirelordAzula-xt6pk

[@R1chardH]

ROI an UK are at the top of the chart for approved applications (83%-75%). Now its becoming an issue and trying not to blame themselves, voters and campaigners.

[@thescotchirishman3373]

Well said

[@j4cksincl4ir]

Much needed context. As approvals are relatively low in the continental EU, migrants might as well come to the UK - or better still - return to the EU over the NI border and get their EU-Irish papers there. Then the UK and EU is their oyster. With elections coming up in Ireland, pointing to imperial plots and the antics of the Brits will be more of a vote winner than closing the border and being denounced as a Free Stater or a partitionist by political rivals (despite defending the border and stopping migrants leaving NI being in the Irish State's better interest). The Irish political class will rarely blame the EU which was supposed to have defendable frontiers in the first place. Also didn't the UN rebuke the UK recently for not allowing migrants safe passage? Safe passage to where? The Faroe Islands or Iceland?

[@matthewbarry376]

No take that figure you mentioned that's the failed cases figure. But there is no limit to the number of times a migrant can reapply and deportations in Ireland aren't enforced and are extremely rare even for those who commit heinous crimes.

[@j4cksincl4ir]

@@matthewbarry376 As Rwanda and the countries of origins refuse criminals, it is like Migrant Troopers: Crime Guarantees Citizenship

[@NEWBkiller646]

"Why Britain and Ireland have fallen out?" Those Protestants, up to no good as usual

[@AdhamhMacConchurain]

I'm Irish and I think it's stupid to blame them when we could be deporting them ourselves if it weren't for the EU

[@brendakane1485]

I agree. If Helen McEntee hadda kept her trap shut, and blaming everyone else for her own complete incompetence, Sunak WOULDN'T be jumping up and down with unadulterated glee. It is the Varadkar lead elitist 'Government' brought this whole debacle to face another rebellion by the people, and for the people. Simple Simon, start the deportations yourself, it's not as if you don't have the money, ffs, you have the entire Irish population on their knees through taxes alone.

[@Richard1A2B]

The EU don't stop us from deporting failed assylum seekers, that one is on Helen McEntee and the Dept of Justice.

[@Steven_Healy44]

And our country would fall apart if we werent in the eu.

[@mr.netflix9149]

The EU isn't stopping deportations.

[@stretfordender11]

@@Steven_Healy44you don’t have a country anymore. The EU is your nation and your government is in Brussels.

[@malahammer]

Up yours Brexit Sunak......Signed : Ireland

[@jonjohnson2844]

Fucking love this, EU trying to ignore rules it wrote! Not for the first time

[@jackieblue1267]

This is Britain and Ireland and the CTA. That's the difference. It's not between the EU.

[@clownofthetimes6727]

@@jackieblue1267 Nope this is between the EU (France) and the EU (Ireland) and they are trying to pass it on to the UK. The UK is out of the EU. We can pass our own laws to deal with this and we are doing so. What is the Irish government doing? It is burying it`s head in the dirt and looking for scapegoats.

[@bodives]

Why Britain and Ireland fell out? Well, 800 years ago...

[@user-tt6il2up4o]

IN SHORT Ireland in short with a few years of immigrant migration has exposed its extreme nationalist and racist stance. It would be interesting to see how they came up with the stats over immigration coming from NI. It would seem the Irish government are unable to accept that Ireland is extremely racist and are looking to shift blame to UK. Irelands has only had real immigration for a few years so cannot complain over the level of immigrants coming in, they are like the scots in this respect.

[@nkugwamarkwilliam8878]

if one is not careful you can spend your whole life looking for asylum in different areas

[@JB-gq4ub]

"irregularly".. not allowed to say "illegally" anymore 🤔

[@petermages9482]

Simple: Don`t give Asylum seekers any money. They leave on their own. One, two years later and no one will show up.

[@weamibrahim2146]

AMMR was planned for May, and it still hasn't been implemented. It would solve all this

[@theconqueringram5295]

"If people come to our country illegally, but aren't allowed to stay, they're less likely to come." I wouldn't be too sure about that.

[@devanman7920]

They fell out about 800 years ago

[@FionanOMurchadha]

885 years 7 days ago*

[@devanman7920]

@@FionanOMurchadha nice

[@Ron_swanson_true_libertarian]

Remember men fleeing war bring their families but men going to war go alone.

[@rtsharlotte]

I'm a Brit that lives in Ireland and Ireland migrant policy is bonkers. I don't see as many tents in the UK as I do in Ireland. Going to the benefits office here is encourage and back dated? Ireland defiantly needs to tighten up its boarders

[@josephthompson1318]

Open boards is for ROI & UK legally

[@YuruCampSupermacy]

Can someone tell me why would rawanda accept these asylum seekers in the first place?

[@Engie50Limerick]

money lots of it

[@Jajalaatmaar]

They're being paid for it. They make a ton of money and it barely costs Rwanda anything to keep the migrants in detention.

[@yermanoffthetelly]

​​@@Engie50Limerick£490 million to be precise, or £1.8 million per asylum seeker. Utter madness.

[@Engie50Limerick]

@@yermanoffthetelly agreed

[@FranciscoAlvarez941]

I find it fascinating how the Irish governments policy on wanting to deport refugees is framed as perfectly legitimate and yet the UK government wanting to do the same thing but to France is somehow seen as "Far Right" or Xenophobic.

[@xennialnick]

Hmm 'stop the boats' slogan. Where have we heard that before. For those that don't know, it's directly from the Australian Liberal Party's (our Tory party) policy. Great inspiration Richi...!

[@daircruz6888]

Send the Asylum seekers to Falkland Islands or Ascension Island (still UK) to wait for a hearing

[@CB-fz3li]

Neither are part of the UK.

[@MustraOrdo]

@@CB-fz3li Neither is Rwanda

[@YuruCampSupermacy]

New host. Nice to see TLDR team expanding. Kudos for keeping gender diversity in mind let's hope this extends further to include different ethnicities etc

[@michaelthomas5433]

Not "legally binding", just like that guarantee of territory integrity given to Ukraine. Ppl sure like signing these useless bits of paper.

[@karlbyrne6021]

Give the economic migrants no benefits, nothing & defund the NGO'S who facilitie this, then it will stop.

[@loto7197]

If they came from france to uk and made their way to Ireland , France should take them back. Ireland isn't in the Shengen area (borderless travel within EU)

[@76ludlow]

Britain has been operating an undeclared policy of trafficking migrants to Ireland for several years. Routinely migrants refused residency by British courts are set free and enabled to fly or take ferry to Belfast or Larne and pass through Northern ireland unimpeded to reach the Irish border. It is obviously a less expensive option for Britain than to enforce the ordered deportation and all the legal costs that would arise from legal appeals and the housing of migrants throughout the legal process. One notorious example is the case of a young Egyptian asylum seeker who travelled through Northern Ireland and ended up in Dundalk, County Louth in 2016 where he applied for residency in the Irish Republic. In January 2017 this young man went berserk on the streets of Dundalk, when armed with a knife he murdered an unsuspecting Japanese student and stabbed two Irish citizenns.

[@WolfetoneRebel1916]

Time to hand out some Irish passports to those that have been living in the UK for some time and allow them to return to live and work legally in the UK.

[@cobzzy3878]

Then we’ll end the good Friday agreement, meaning all Irish living in the UK would lose their rights. And we will still send the migrants to Ireland via Northern Ireland because they will still get through😉

[@WolfetoneRebel1916]

@@cobzzy3878 see how you get on with the US with that. If you want to burn all your bridges be my guest.

[@barbellpro406]

Only guessing as the video said the agreement wasn't made puplic but maybe the uk will but in some steps to limit illegal migrants getting to Ireland but the uk should definitely not take people back in France won't do the same

[@brutusbastados4801]

The asylum seekers in Ireland have a right to claim asylum under international law. Ireland should process their claims and if migrants fail to meet Irish asylum criteria they should be deported to their home country. Ireland have also ruled that UK is unsafe due to the Rwanda scheme so cant return people to the UK anyway.

[@DanskerneFraDanmark]

The still get a faw more months to get the last part from England

[@chrimbus71]

Why is Ireland setting up a hard border??

[@eversor10]

Ireland can send them to Britain but Britain can't do the same to France, hmmm.

[@phooogle]

This is a key moment because if Ireland do try this it will open this whole thing up for real , so it's probably a good thing if they do it.

[@NLJeffEU]

Yeah wird. The uk hated france for not accepting their immigrants, lets see how the uk reacts now the irish want to do the same 😂

[@gameofender4463]

@@NLJeffEUThey’ll send them straight back to Ireland. Ireland doesn’t have the strength to enforce anything on the U.K.

[@SkinUpMonkey]

France is a war torn country so it's not safe for them there.

[@RazorMouth]

Well talk to France then. Duhhh

[@JacksonWilliams-lp2un]

Ireland is not for sale 🇨🇦👊

[@edmerc92]

Unfortunately Canada is, though. At least under Trudeau.

[@goodisonpark5987]

The UK are playing by ECHR rules so if any country returns immigrants then that country must be able to return to sender being France.. All immigrants in UK and Ireland came from France

[@Alecs-X]

Sunak is the first who needs to go

[@ronanspain2534]

A very significant drop from your normal high standards TLDR. May I suggest that you actually go and read the texts memorandums of understanding with regards to the CTA. Firstly it applies only to British and Irish CITIZENs not residents, it applies to the republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not just the island of Ireland. It is treated as separate to and EU or Brexit matters as it is predates the countries membership to the EU. It can be traced all the way back to 1923 in fact. The CTA does commit both countries to Data sharing and to combat the Abuse of the CTA. so questionable interpterion from the UK as to what constitutes abuse?

[@jaylm4112]

I'm liberal as f but if you don't see how badly our kindness is taken advantage of in the West in every way your smoking something and especially the asylum laws

[@MMM-28-28]

We have not fallen out. Its the political class of both countries butting heads. The real Irish and British people have not fallen out

[@loc4725]

Routing: you're British so It's not rowlette it's ROUlette. And similarly it isn't rowt'ing it's ROUting.

[@user-ot9yq7rq6d]

Lots of council estates in Ireland and England. Unused land everywhere enough to build new homes and demolish all the estates

[@jossanin]

If TLDR Reports on Brexit, the countries with shoes should make an appearance

[@sliced_bread_]

7 minutes to explain that title is a tad ambitious 😂

[@Optimistic-101]

That agreement what the court said was illegal & the Irish rep involved had no authority in setting up.

[@user-cc7yv9xl2i]

Good

[@bassplayer3974]

Probably been going other way for yrs too

[@smitz7847]

If anything its the first time the uk and Ireland can agree we want them out. Seen more unity in the past couple of months than ever before. Forget politicians we want out lands for the indigenous people

[@edgardebruin5539]

of course they will be send to the UK because there application progress is in the uk not ireland

[@RazorMouth]

Of course we will, it's easy to bus them back to Belfast. Once the migrant learn that's what is happening they'll stop coming.

[@Nerdy4Life]

@@RazorMouth You know that is basically the rationale for the Rwanda scheme right?

[@antoinefdu]

Have any 2 countries *not* fallen out at this point?

[@paparatzz7531]

Blaming on the brits? She wanted to put that in I

[@user-wp5gu2sy3f]

It is easy to critics of Sunak to blaim him. But difficult to find a better solution.

[@JS-zy6pw]

Looks like the Rwanda plan is working already

[@nimaiiikun]

UK should not mess with Ireland as they don't want their Ire.

[@Adam-wg2rf]

Good one

[@Earwhicker]

The establishment sold out to woke,,Ireland is demoralised broken,a mere playground for mass migration..

[@moritamikamikara3879]

​@@Adam-wg2rfWe don't want their Ire, we just want their land. MUHAHAHAHA

[@freedompodcast4518]

That what you get when you got a open border.

[@user-uq8zc2pf5n]

​@@moritamikamikara3879UK now stands for United kingdom of India/Pakistan calm done mate

[@Sardiatae]

Primer Minister Sunak should be how your head of state should be adressed not Sunak like he is some guy off the street.

[@nono_Hoi4]

Note to self: Blame it on the brits is a politically solid move

[@jimburlington8488]

Non rhotic, nearly unintelligible

[@DerekTJ]

The British who are rightly fully laughing at the Irish government's double also not spotting the nuanced error they also harbour; the common travel area is not an open border policy as such. Non-EU illegal immigrants are taking advantage of us both - they can easily just turn around on their own steam. But the unspoken element to all this boils back to the Six Counties being a British colony still. Irish people, and I hope you appreciate this, do no not want a border between two sets of Irish people. A border that by-and-large, would not affect the average Briton. There never was an actual hard border, rather than a series of checkpoints.

[@27bikebrothers27]

f ..for uk

[@markimark82]

nothing against Jack or Ben, but recently, I got much more intrest in politics and TLDR hahaha :)

[@Davi-xm3jd]

well the issure will be somewhat resolved in the near future considering Sunak will definitely be replaced by Starmer who doesnt support the Rwanda plan. This is yet another example of how Sunak's selfish refusal to call an election is making things worse

[@clownofthetimes6727]

This is an internal EU problem. They are throwing their unwanted immigrants at UK which are being deflected by the Rwanda bill back into the EU via Ireland. This is pass the parcel and unfortunately Ireland is the last in the chain. To be fair blaming the Irish immigrant problem on a UK bill that was only passed last week seems like a scapegoat to me. It is too soon to have that data and there are no people at the UK/EU border doing checks to collect that data.

[@marcob1729]

Migrant policy is one of those unifying concepts that makes everyone look equally inane. Unfortunately, the answer to "Efficient, effective, and humane?" is "pick two"