Why has Support for the German Greens Collapsed?

[@MovieRiotHD]

So they were in a coalition destroying a village for a coalmine while eliminating nuclear?

[@reaperz5677]

Yes.

[@silvansurf]

Eliminating nuclear was done by the conservative CDU and the FDP. The greens weren't even in power when the nuclear exit was declared... The greens even increased the lifetime of Germany's last 3 reactors by 4.5 months haha.

[@cedricdellafaille1361]

Isn't it funny the "green" party wants to destroy all nuclear plants for more expensive less reliable more dirty coal mines 😂😂😂 i don't understand why people vote for them They should put the coal plans close to the cities who has the most green votes

[@yannicklarafunez4768]

It is a bit more complicated than that The previous government already decided both on that village getting demolished for coal mining and the previous government decided on the nuclear exit. The Greens were essentially in a government that had to oversee the decision of the previous one, now they weren't perfect, but a solid 80% of the shit they get blamed for was done by the CDU, the other 20% were done by the FDP sabotaging their own government out of spite and arrogance

[@MortimerBeats]

Actually they reduced the coal extraction and extended nuclear power usage but nevermind the facts

[@markojovanovski3372]

>Green Party >Anti Nuclear As an eastern European, this blows my mind ngl

[@banani1236]

Yep. As a German I'm so embarrassed

[@Bedlam83]

Renewable energy is cheaper than nuclear energy. The latter really isn't needed.

[@Karol-ei1fc]

Reminder that frances main electricity generator company is fully owned by the state bc nuclear energy is so fkn expensive

[@ExcessumGaming]

@@Bedlam83 Even Elon can tell you it is atm. Mostly because of how electrical grid works to stabilize the load.

[@ExcessumGaming]

Also modern Nuclear is a lot different. and safer than what was used in the 60`s

[@justanaverageguy912]

after checking some polls online, the party only lost ~2 points (down from around 14% to 12%), this seems a tad overdramatic from the outside.

[@SDDT24]

But they have polarised many voters aswell , they were once a party where many had no stated opinion but now it’s very polarised for or against them

[@piekay7285]

Yes and no. They tend to undershoot predictions, so this could be their worst result in more than a decade

[@bananenmusli2769]

Compared to the last federal election they didn't lose much but when you compare it to their results in the 2019 EU election, the loss is quite visible.

[@jamesevans1890]

The Greens are polling half what they were polling in April 2022 - 23% - that's where the dramatic fall in popularity comes in. They are generally polling 11-12% depending on pollster. 14.7% down to 11.5% ish so down 3% since 2021 election.

[@Shari_Tejp]

They were polling 23% in 2022. and now they are at 12%. Facts.

[@vincentknight27]

Honestly, while there is a lot of room for criticism for the green party, their situation isn’t all that bad. They poll around 12%, compared to 14% at the last election. The government is very unpopular, and the spd lost around 10 percentage points while the greens lost only 2-3. So sure, not great, but not a trainwreck either. I assume once they are back in opposition they will bounce back in popularity.

[@jeffjefferson3552]

Exactly what I'm thinking. Also, the FDP is on track of losing 2/3 of its votes, so yeah the Greens are doing by far the best

[@nyu3492]

I’m not sure if they will be in opposition. Who will CDU form coalition with in the new government? Mathematically, it will either be with AFD, or with SPD + Green.

[@SDDT24]

Says more about green voters if anything , and also they have alienated potential voters. They used to be a so-so were a large % had no opinion ,but now it’s quite polarised for or against them

[@Karol-ei1fc]

They might even be necessary in the next government, if they surpass the SPD. The newest poll suggest that both are polling around 14%. And with their candidate being more popular than Scholz and the Greens being more united than the SPD right now it's possible that the CDU will need the greens to form a government.

[@SDDT24]

True But they have polarised many voters aswell , they were once a “so-so” party where many % polled had no stated opinion but now it’s very polarised for or against them which reduces future potential voters

[@ajar1900]

Is the presenter German ? Her pronunciation is on point. Damn

[@roo_stonks]

I don't think she is - she is just a genius (or practices a lot) when it comes to correctly pronouncing shit. Not only german, but other languages too. I'm impressed again and again.

[@milkmanswife93696]

it's not that spot on, but yeah, she's generally good at producing speech sounds not found in English

[@Haris1]

@@roo_stonks She studied a foreign languages degree at University

[@AustrianPainter14]

Do you have eyes? She’s Asian

[@SilverScarletSpider]

glazing level 99

[@InfraWatch_FRM]

There are a few inaccuracies in this video! The greens didn’t “abruptly” end nuclear power in Germany. A previous CDU/CSU led government decided to phase out nuclear way back in 2011. The date was set for a long time and after the war started, the greens even extended the period that the plants were allowed to run. Also the heat pump bill didn’t “require” owners to install heatpumps in their houses, it just banned installation of new gas boilers, which makes total sense as a gas boiler usually last up to three decades and if you want to follow through on climate goals that were - again - set by a CDU/CSU government, this is just a logical step that needed to happen. Simple as that. I don’t think you did a good job of objectively looking at this topic, but instead just picked up on the typical green bashing. And that’s coming from someone who has never and probably will never vote for the greens. Do better TLDR!

[@ronald3836]

What matters is that voters turn away from the party, as next year will confirm.

[@forgi02]

100% agree! This video made me question the quality of their other videos I've watched so far. It seems like they just read "Bild" headlines and ran with it.

[@arctusnyaa6698]

Yes yes, the greens are perfect and everyone just dislikes them for no reason at all. I think some self-reflection would do wonders for you guys..

[@kosatochca]

What other alternatives to gas boilers are there except for heat pumps? I also think it was a logical proposal, but of course it would backfire, as cost of living is the main concern

[@Xazamas]

The greens' support for ending nuclear power was moronic (personal opinion), but it wasn't "abrupt." As you stated, this was decided all the way back in 2011. German Government was controlled by "second Merkel cabinet" and the Greens were in *opposition*. However, it can still be argued that Green were still able to heavily influence the decision. Regardless of what would be the best practical decision, in terms of the long-term prosperity of Germany, the coalition government at the time probably hoped to appeal to voters who considered nuclear power to be their "single issue." Otherwise these people would be a near-guaranteed voter block supporting the Greens in the next election.

[@samaurel6619]

6:00 Germany didn't "abruptly shut down these last nuclear reactors. This was planned since 2011 (Fokushima) by a CDU/CSU (conservatives) and SPD (labour) government. The greens DID compromise on that though, agreeing to let those reactors run for several months longer than planned to guarrantee energy security.

[@banani1236]

We never should have shut down nuclear power. The greens spread misinformation so that everyone got scared of it. Nuclear power does not emitt any co2 and contrary to popular belief is much safer than other energy sources. I don't understand how the greens decided shutting down nuclear before coal was a good idea.

[@SDDT24]

But the greens were that major pressure campaigns/ force behind that decision , if the greens had never campaigned to shut them they likely wouldn’t have as soon as they did

[@reheyesd8666]

Now they are running those coal plants back up, how very green.

[@SDDT24]

It must be contextualised that the main political movement and pressure force at the time for shutting down reactors was from the greens , if they had never campaigned for that or made it a central issue they won’t have been shut so soon

[@Dschinghiss]

@@reheyesd8666 They are even building new gas peaker plants for 16 billion€ lmao

[@j.m.5642]

The protecting the environment sounds like a good idea when you don‘t use almost all of your salary on rent and heating.

[@DOSFS]

They also suck at 'protecting the environment'.

[@nntflow7058]

Social housing is the most efficient residential buildings you could build. And we barely have them here in Germany. Maybe the greens should have think about different strategies here.

[@Elucidator-]

@@nntflow7058 Don't think for a moment that a climate cult is willing to put climate on the backburner. That is impossible in such a party, thus the wrong list of priorities will stay mostly the same.

[@leonidasg2257]

Most time politicians fail miserable in the name of environment. You don't need to go far. Just look at the mess Germany created in it's energy productiong and economy by shutting down nuclear power plants in favor of "cheap Russian gas" electricity production.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Yup especially abandoning childishly fear-based policies like shutting down SAFE nuclear power plants that lead to the rumping up dirty coal use smh ​@@nntflow7058

[@r_b42]

I'm sorry but this video misses out some crucial context and relies on heavy framing. Like: "They tore down a village for coal." A small, symbolic village, compared to the massive area RWE wanted to source coal from which the greens saved in a coalition with conservatives. "They shut down nuclear power plants." Which the entirety of Germany agreed on when this started in 2011, IIRC. And yet they still extended the last nuclear power plants because we needed them. And regarding the GEG, successfully coined by the right as "Heizungsgesetz", that was yet again a law implemented by a conservative government. There's plenty to criticise the German government for. But we need to have informed discussions about this. Misinformation in any form, be it lies, framing or withholding information, cannot be the basis for any discussion.

[@ivanbrezina7632]

Voters of progresive parties do not expect compromises.

[@r_b42]

@@ivanbrezina7632 Idk where you got this from but considering that they haven't really been dipping in the polls over the last 2-3 years while being heavily criticized by supposedly big activist groups leaning to the left and Green voters probably being rather progressive, there's not really much data to support this. But I would also say that , although there's certainly some overlap, there's also a significant difference between "the left" and progressive voters.

[@Solstice261]

Still I imagine most voters don't know this so that would still have led to a loss in votes bad news always get become better known than doing what you said you were gonna do

[@dave_sic1365]

nope not all of germany agrred on the nuclear shut down

[@r_b42]

@@dave_sic1365 True. In 2011 it was only a majority of conservatives, liberals, social democrats, greens, and the left.

[@whoopicoushion]

questioning the authenticity of tldr at this point. green parties rarely get any recognition on your channels and when they do its subtle or often negative.

[@bresophil]

Maybe a needed corrective for the love fest they usually receive from mainstream media

[@philipkoene5345]

I think the entire premise of this video ist wrong. This one time polling of 20+% was during wild shifts of public sentiment in search of a new government after Merkel and with the whole "Last Generation" topic still going strong. Current polling is only 1-2% behind their last federal elections result. To be honest that is remarkably good, given the current circumstance. This circumstance is, that every right-wing party and especially the Springer publishing company, responsible for the tabloid BILD has been focussing on critizising the Greens for the last 2+ years. The reason: right wing parties wanted to get some far right voters from the AfD by bashing the Greens and the head of Springer publishing is a far right extremist called Matthias Döpfner - our version of Musk with way less Money. It seems the core green voters are mostly not influenced by those right wing narratives.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

Yep. It is sad how so many people fall for those Pied Pipers.

[@ArnoSchlick]

Correct! And not mentioning Russias war against Ukraine and its effects on inflation, does spark out, too. My view is: This account is spreading Russian propaganda, more or less intelligent and subtile - but its there! .

[@DerdiedasBlue]

This is an incredibly important comment. There's essentially a »Green scare« type of propaganda narrative that has been massively pushed by some giants in media and politics. I'm not enthusiastic about the Greens either, but their negative public perception is to large degrees artificial and not all that merit-based

[@zagreus5773]

This. There is a slight decrease in support currently, but comparing the support for the Greens now with that very short lived 20+% before the election is disingenuous as hell.

[@zagreus5773]

@@ArnoSchlick They're not doing Russian propaganda, but they are doing click bait. Saying "THE GREENS ARE COLLAPSING IN GERMANY!!!11" will get more clicks then "There is a slight decrease in the support for the Greens in Germany". Just check their other videos, you can see they are not pro Russian, but they are purposefully misrepresenting a lot to generate more views.

[@christopherg2347]

6:00 Why do you lie? The greens _extended_ the runtime until the operators and law said it couldn't be run anymore. 6:20 The Ban was the CDU Version! The Greens removed that.

[@HyperScorpio8688]

Except they OPENLY campaigned on abolishing nuclear power and THEN signed off on expanding fossil use after the war began. At least stop lying

[@Lesatur]

Thankfully someone calls this out. I'm normaly very impressed with the level of details they get correct but they really failed at this one.

[@SvenAlbertPedersen]

I was just about to write the same.

[@The3wokMaster]

Also it's funny that they claimed that the greens didn't compromised enough 5:57, while the greens were the one, who gave up pacifism, extended coal power and gas power...

[@re1644]

I watched closely the media stanca that immediately changed and put the Greens into focus in a worse light than the other parties as soon as it was clear they would get a lot of votes for the last Bundestag. And that did not change when in government, they got more bad press in comparison even before even haven made any political decisions. It seemed to me, that the media wanted to keep the greens down as much as possible. You can't shine if the media want you to fail.

[@iQKyyR3K]

that pronunciation of "Die Grünen" was spot on. Good job 👍 Edit: and fundis and realos was also perfect

[@lukask.6024]

I generally really like your content, but I see some mistakes in this video, wich I want to constructively point to (I myself are German and happen to know quite a bit about the green party and German politics): 1. The greens are only polling 2-3% below their electoral success from 2021 thus losing (a lot) less than both other parties in government, though I agree there is a much more widespread anti Green sentiment than a few years ago. So calling it a total collapse is a overstatement, also Robert Habeck the green party leader is still more popular than Olaf Scholz and the greens seem to rise in the polls again a bit, now with the election coming up. Lastly, the demand for green party membership is uninterrupted, actually increasing in the last weeks after the collapsing government and gaining tens of thousand new members. 2. Nuclear wasn't abruptly shut down, the exit was planned since 2012 by Merkel and prolonged for 3 months by the current government in the energy crisis, this is framed incorrect in the video 3. Thirdly, though there is less support from young voters and for many climate conscious voters the greens are not "green" enough anymore, suggesting that many green voters are switching to BSW and AfD is simply false. If you look at the changing voting patterns you see that there is almost no exchange between AfD and green voters as they are so far opposed on most topics, for the BSW it's similar. What is happening is a general shift to the right, so that the greens lose support to CDU and SPD which in turn lose support to the AfD, but that is a difference. I have some more minor other details which I find misrepresented, but these three points are the most important, and I would like to see them corrected or at least acknowledged.

[@Sp_tacnik]

THIS is the comment that should be pinned.

[@cow_tools_]

Why wasn't the nuclear shutdown cancelled?

[@lukask.6024]

@@cow_tools_ This is a complex topic, and there are for sure different opinions on it. Obvs. the greens being anti nuclear was one reason. However, I don't think without the greens in government that there still would be nuclear energy in Germany. There were many technical problems, such as no fuel assemblys left for the reactor and since everything was planned to shut down, it would have been very hard to further prolong the reactors. Also in the last year before the exit only three quite old nuclear power plants were still running, producing 5% of German electricity or less, so not really a hugely important energy source. Then, building new reactors would have taken many years, been met with great resistance (Germanys anti nuclear movement is very strong and supported by NIMBYs if any new reactors were to be planned). And simply solar and wind are much cheaper to build, especially if you consider the costs of nuclear waste, for which there are no good solutions. So continuing nuclear wouldn't have made much sense, except for symbolic reasons.

[@izumemori]

@@cow_tools_ A few reasons: 1) We don't have a proper storage place for nuclear waste, this has always been an issue and there's constant problems with the current storage locations. 2) We'd have to get Uranium from Russia, getting it from Canada etc is a non-starter if you want the energy to be competitive. 3) Our reactors are old and were already mostly decommissioned by the time the new government got into power, the remaining reactors made up around 10% of the energy mix in 2021 with ever increasing costs for maintenance. 4) Everyone who wants nuclear can't actually tell you concrete locations for new reactors, they'd also have to be in the south, since the north supplies itself well with wind. This will also lead to internal division since the waste would have to go to the north. 5) No private investor wants to touch nuclear in Germany without serious subsidies and long time guarantees of around 14 cents/kwh on the market, this is at least double of what the energy price currently is (spot market price). 6) Even France takes around 10 years to build new reactors, Germany being Germany it would take probably more like 15 to 20 years. This wouldn't help us in any way when we want to reach emission goals by 2030. 7) EnBW just today said that nuclear is not worth it in Germany. There's a lot of differing opinions on nuclear within the Greens, and if the circumstances would be different in Germany I could see them investing in new state of the art reactors. But with the current difficulties and seeing how well renewables are doing, it would be in the best case stupid, in the worst sabotage, to divert from the course now.

[@quastor749]

A correction: The shut down of the last German Nuclear power plants was in absolutely no way abrupt. It was planned by previous governments and the final shut down was even delayed in response to the energy situation.

[@TheStudio-div]

previous goverment is essentially the same current goverment as Scholz , they are even the same party coalitions

[@vampireheart1987]

@@TheStudio-div In what reality are CDU/CSU + FDP in 2011 and SPD + FDP + Greens in 2023 "the same party coalitions"??

[@coolbanana165]

Not abrupt, but evil and stupid.

[@cow_tools_]

That's even worse. The fact the Germans had 11 years to reverse one of the dumbest dirtiest self-destructive policy in the EU in modern times, and didn't do it, is incredible.

[@MusikCassette]

@@coolbanana165 only if you do not understand what is going on.

[@felezeros4556]

They are the only coalition party that kept most of the support from the last election. The huge poling was just that, poling. At the actual election they got 14% and they will probably keep that if not improve that. This kind of video would be way more interesting for the FDP that will probably fail at the 5% barrier.

[@Kubamorlo]

seems they are the coaliton party that pissed of their voters the least

[@zagreus5773]

Exactly. SPD are down to 15% from 25.7% and FDP to 4% (below the threshold) from 11.5%. But somehow it is the Greens that are collapsing, which are down from 13% from 14.5%. So both SPD and FDP lost close to or more than half of their support, but somehow it is the Greens that are collapsing, which lost just a fraction of that.

[@HaveiorLP]

LMAO! Collapsed say they. Comparing their polling to their coalition partners: FDP(-8%) and SDP(-10%), the Greens have lost the least.

[@rubbishrabble]

117/733 to 73/733 is nearly a collapse if the polls correct on the Greens only at a tenth of the federal seats. Stuttgarter Zeitung.

[@moisuomi]

This is cope. They are probably my least favorite party in Germany. So slimy and liberal it makes me puke. People are done with the government as a whole. That is why the AfD is getting more popular. DOWN WITH THE OLD PARTIES

[@TheDiRk39]

​@@moisuomihopefully the afd is banned soon as they are let by facists

[@philipkoene5345]

@@moisuomi calling the Greens slimy and advocating for the blue-brown refuse - good joke, Ossi.

[@radicalesotericcentrist]

@@philipkoene5345 This kind of racism is the exact reason why people hate the Greens nowadays.

[@eruno_]

I liked how German Greens were the biggest Ukraine supporters.

[@ivdelch9242]

climate and all is great, but as you said the focus moved to housing and immigration and it seems young people have other attitudes than “open border and rent expensive.“

[@Eisenbrei]

The support hasn't collapsed! They are the only party in the current gouvernment that hasn't lost most of the voter support. Their polls are relatively stable at around 12-14%, from 14% in the last election!

[@von1glik]

Imigrants vote for them

[@thepax2621]

@@Eisenbrei Sure it has. They, once upon a time, had the outlandish audacity the voice their ambitions to select the future chancellor. And they're are, barely, at 12% 😂 Thats not even enough to be the largest opposition party 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jamesevans1890]

Hi, 14.7% in the last election, polls averaging 11.5% now. 14% is an outlier, almost all polls 11-12 recently. The fall in popularity is from 23% in early months of government to half that now.

[@jf7009]

@@von1glik well why shouldn't they? If they got the german passport, they can vote. As easy as that.

[@hansmeyer7225]

If they got the German passport they are no immigrants anymore. They are citizens of Germany. ​@@jf7009

[@vampireheart1987]

Share of renewable energies vs coal in Germany's electricity mix - 2021: 42.3% vs 30.2% - 2022: 46.3% vs 33.3% - 2023: 56.0% vs 26.1% - first half of 2024: 61.5% vs 20.9%

[@jkim-ph1ds]

seems like the Greens are making progress despite the media barrage

[@r.a.d.h.4260]

Unlikely, legislation doesnt happen immediately and with such drastic effect. Some boost in 23 and 24, sure, but +4%/year was already the course.

[@jeffbenton6183]

@vampireheart1987 Share of German nuclear in the year 2000: ~30% If Germany didn't decommission its nuclear plants (even without building any more), then they wouldn't be using any coal at all - by your estimation. I don't blame the Greens for that, several German parties hate nuclear, but the Greens would be much more successful at fighting climate change if they could dump the anti-nuclear part of their platform.

[@glike2]

Delaying the shutdown of the nuclear power plants would have made this even better. At least we are avoiding this mistake in California.

[@jeffbenton6183]

@glike2 But only for Diablo Canyon. The closest nuclear plant to where I live - San Onofre - was shut down in 2013. Diablo Canyon produces a full 10% of the state's electricity. San Onofre has the same amount or installed capacity as Diablo. Recommissioning it would make a *huge* impact. Hopefully our state's lawmakers will figure this out soon enough.

[@LaunchKaffee]

It hasn't collapsed. The 2021 result was a one time phenomenon, a lot of things went well for them that time. They are still hovering well and while I disagree with their Anti-Nuclear stand, I still would vote for them if I were german.

[@prateekmahapatra1789]

wthout their anti nuclear stance , they basically SPD

[@Joekd6.1]

The Greens are a joke 😂

[@jf7009]

@@Joekd6.1 well name one party that does a better job.

[@JustScrapHD]

@@prateekmahapatra1789 Exactly this. I would call myself a social democrat but the german SPD is fucking weird. So im glad the greens kinda fill that gap. Its kinda crazy that id rather vote Green than SPD... but thats where we are

[@NicolasHaufe]

​@@jf7009every single party is Better than the greens

[@renonaz1223]

The answer is simple, the decision to close atomic power plants to buy atomic energy from France, then reopening some coal-fired power plants, what a brilliant idea * Statistisches Bundesamt Germany imports energy from France: 1817000 Mwh in July, others months are also in surplus for France

[@fallenhonor4988]

You should also blame the CDU or every other german party

[@arnewengertsmann9111]

On the other hand, the descision to close the nuclear plants was made by the CDU goverment and the industry did say they wouldn't delay it without extensive compensations and promises. So not much the Greens could do there.

[@takru154]

That was the decision of the conservative governments beforehand, but sure, keep talking rubbish

[@timtolltroll1455]

Germany sells more energy to france than it buys. When france has a surplus, germany can buy that energy and lower the usage of coal. What a brilliant idea

[@togamid]

If the phrase "buy atomic energy from france" refers to the recent Spahn Tweet: That was a simple lie. The document he talked about actually referred to SELLING German power TO France, because their atomic power-plants had so many problems that they did not produce enough electricity.

[@moe1011]

As a german myself i can say: this video misses a lot of context, thats why the video is that short. It sounds simple but it really isn't. There is a lot of reasons why this/all happens.

[@tarikpahlenkemper6761]

Recently, public support for the Greens has risen again. They have welcomed 20,000 new members in a very short space of time.

[@andreasgregorfrank9057]

20000? i think this could be a very small percentage of the jobless people Habeck created in the last 3 years that now tries to infiltrate them for revenge. There was never seen a more clueless minister of economic affairs than Habeck (and yes there were some...) and the results of his great work still fill the first pages of the news daily. But at least we now soon have an absolutely uselesss hydrogen pipeline network...

[@SilverScarletSpider]

brown immigrants that poop in streets?

[@leoSaunders]

"what happened to german greens" reality

[@Elucidator-]

This, together with one issue politics that are overly focused on the climate problem. Their appeal is always limited and easily shaken by the brutal nature of reality.

[@sizanogreen9900]

Not gonna claim they did perfectly, but I feel like the sentiment against them is overexaggerated. They were hamstrung by the fdp while constantly battling crisis inherited from previous administrations as well as being forced upon us by the wider world. People always seem to look for someone to blame for things going to shit and the greens just seem to have become the favorite target of a lot of that blame which has kind of defined how they are viewed by the wider public.

[@SDDT24]

@@Elucidator- it’s absolutely crazy to have a Green Party that doesn’t support nuclear energy

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

nah, they abandoned their base in favor of israel and nato imperialism

[@Elucidator-]

@@SDDT24 Indeed, it is downright deranged.

[@Yokat01]

Props for the German pronunciations!

[@kaiser5910]

That is the only thing you can give the video props for. It's horribly bad.

[@mrbisshie]

Imagine having an option to have an "overpowered" energy source, and destroying it for coal. lmao

[@midnightghost6261]

litterly as*, expensive not without waste why build it?

[@annnoying5513]

This misinformation will never die...

[@MeteorLanguste11]

To be fair to the Greens during the exit out of Nuclear power the CDU was in power and responsible for the shutdown of most of them and are now trying to say there were always for atomic power. I am blaming the Greens for closing the last few Reactors tho.

[@cazman182]

@@annnoying5513 What misinformation?

[@jf7009]

Blame the CDU for that. They decided to exit from nuclear energy production after Fukushima happened.

[@mindyourownbuisnes8813]

Tbh this is a low point for you.

[@Elisa-mg3rc]

I live in Germany and the question should be: "How on Earth these idiotic maniacs came into power?!?!?".

[@izumemori]

what did _they_ do that classifies them as "idiotic maniacs"?

[@pashadia]

Being against nuclear power and claiming you're "green" is beyond moronic.

[@luziferiii]

That decision was made by the Merkel Administration. So the conservatives forced the shutdoen of nuclear plants, NOT the greens. Despite as a reminder: The greens were founded as an anti-nuclear plant movement in the 70s when Chernobyl happened, so it's one of their key peinciples in germany until today.

[@andybrice2711]

I mean, it made some sense back in the 1980s, because nuclear reactors were genuinely quite dangerous then. But the technology has got so much safer since the 1990s, and the green movement has failed to adapt. It's like deciding in 2024 that we need to ban all boats because of The Titanic.

[@gruffelo6945]

being for nuclear power is moronic, period.

[@mastermarv722]

Nope, since nuclear is extremly expansive, fan boying for it is maronic.

[@Pyriold]

Nowadays i agree. Nuclear power had some bad accidents hurting its reputation, but coal kills way more people, its not even close. But those deaths are not spectacular.

[@marcello66123]

The Goverment was unpopular but the greens only lost about 3% while fdp and spd cratered. They are doing okay and there is still some time to distance themselves from Olaf Scholz, while people realize that Merz basicly ist Mr. Burns.

[@concernedcitizens4110]

The Greens are not in the worst position. They are polling around 12% so that’s kinda ok considering they really don’t have a large constituents nationally. Although election is right around the corner I can say the coalition members may not be in the worst position. Perhaps they can form a supermajority coalition between the Greens, SPD, FDP, and CDU/CSU to prevent the AfD from gaining power.

[@dermittelfinger5903]

The election is in 3 months.

[@jamesevans1890]

The Afd cannot gain power unfortunately. No other party would work with them, except perhaps the CSU.

[@ronald3836]

So another 4 years of government infighting only to make sure the AfD will grow further? Great.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

@@jamesevans1890 It would be impossible to work with them - there is no way a party which is intend on destroying rather than building would be of any help in a coalition. One could see that with the FDP, a similar populist party without any clear agenda other than abstract buzz words, who was only interested in serving their cronies and otherwise gladly accepted running Germany into the ground.

[@jamesevans1890]

@@Schmidtelpunkt Hi. Obviously AfD want to create what they believe would be a better Germany even though clearly you disagree that it would be better. I'm sure their intent isn't to destroy but to save.

[@jerrymiller9039]

They cared more about virtue signalling than they did about the environment

[@iesroo]

Because immigration turned out to be terrible for Germany.

[@izumemori]

Replace immigration with the division between poor and wealthy and you'd be correct.

[@TheChocolatBlanc]

@@izumemoriimmigration benefits the rich not the average German. Idiot.

[@kiradead666]

@@izumemori no

[@izumemori]

@@kiradead666 yes

[@kiradead666]

@@izumemori no end thats way rome got F up

[@Bengt.Lueers]

6:00 The decision to end nuclear power in Germany was not abrupt, but the result of a process spanning over two decades.

[@tryrex6884]

you are spreading misinformation in your videos 1. the nuclear power plants were not shut down abruptly the shut down was planed in 2000, the coalition even expended the lifetime 2. we didnt even need them at that time (they were even the most expensive ones) 3. green energy wasnt seen as burden for private household or as a threat for the industry (dont know why you think so green energy is the cheapest energy form so the prices dropped) 4. it wasnt the greens who made the heat pump law it was the cdu (last government) and the greens wanted to weaken it

[@TheStudio-div]

"we didnt even need them at that time" while the gas prices were high due to russian monopoly german energy for decade?

[@matsal3211]

geothermal is good, heat pumps are good, calm down germans

[@ozelotsoffunT-jz2rt]

Dude during their campaign our now economic minister said he would deliberately shrink the economy to save the world bc climate etc.

[@reheyesd8666]

Nothing like economic self delete to inspire your people.

[@Elucidator-]

Absolutely mental: such zealots should NEVER be allowed close to power.

[@Karol-ei1fc]

Source?

[@Bedlam83]

Nonsense.

[@Swedishpolymath]

@@reheyesd8666 Like Putin is doing with Russia.

[@MusikCassette]

6:00 there was nothing abrupt about it. we are talking about a phase out, that took more than 2 decades.

[@imvine]

I mean the greens are still polling above the 5% hurdle unlike the FDP

[@Janoip]

sadly hopefully that will change

[@Copyright_Infringement]

I love it when green parties replace nonpolluting powerplants with coal

[@nicolasblume1046]

Very strange time to post this video. The greens are the only party in the coalition that has lost almost no points. In some polls they are up to 14%, getting close to the 14,8% of the last election. And since the end of the coalition the number of party members is increasing rapidly!

[@MuazKhan-t3c]

How the FUCK is NUCLER not clean energy ? It is the cleanest , AM I WRONG .

[@togamid]

Nuclear energy produces waste that lasts longer than most civilizations. If the Romans would have had nuclear power plants, we would still be dealing with their waste. That does not sound like clean energy to me.

[@CrisCheese_]

it is the cleanest environmentally but that doesnt mean it is the safest, nuclear power comes at a higher risk than other sources of power. that doesnt mean i am against nuclear though, i believe its necessary for stabilizing the grid until renewable resources become more reliable

[@MortimerBeats]

yes you are pretty wrong

[@jf7009]

well there is still the problem of nuclear waste. But you are right, it is definitly cleaner than coal energy. But it was actually not the greens deciding to exit from nuclear energy production, it was the CDU after Fukushima happened.

[@Miguel-nb9gx]

As long as no accident happens. If it happens it is far from "clean" and very devastating for the environment. Also the uranium must be mined and the nuclear waste must be sealed for thousands of years. I think Wind and Solar are much better when it comes to the environment.

[@val-schaeffer1117]

German Greens are by far the most hypocritical in the wider political spectrum. Green voters have the same social station, economic privilege and cultural granularity as traditional Conservatives, but leftist in pretension and virtue signalling, often blindly following the Zeitgeist. They tend to live and work in the most homogeneous neighbourhoods and workplaces, and fiercely defend their privilege, often in closed cliques scratching each others' backs. Often their agenda with a humanitarian veneer, is directly linked with their vested financial interests - wage suppression when they hire, asset price inflation of what they own, and increased consumer spending for businesses they run. A vocal Green party activist I know, went to a B Grade Medical school near Frankfurt - the most expensive education program for taxpayers. His field of work is protected by language barriers from outsiders, and near zero threat from anything other than Artificial Intelligence in the distant past. However he immediately moved to Basel after completion of his course. Maybe time to put the money where mouth is? I guess not...

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

That is some nice anecdotal evidence. My neighbor is conservative. He once kicked his dog. All conservatives hate pets and are generally cruel to animals.

[@gvncd]

must say any green party that rejects nuclear in favour of coal is hypocritical

[@izumemori]

@@gvncd Good thing they're not doing that!

[@gerardleahy6946]

Here in Ireland the Greens got 12/160 parliamentary seats in 2020 and participated in govt. 10 days ago they got 2/174 as their policies were absolutely dedpised.

[@bitojkajdopamino]

Joschka Fischer saying "I am not convinced" against the CIA claims about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is still one of the proudest moments of my nation as a German. You can criticise them for a lot but staying out of Iraq while the rest of Europe sent troops was a good move.

[@Janoip]

Im mixed on that the weapons of mass destruction part was only the last point of all the other reasons. But away from that was back than also mid Political dispute with the Us and ground for conservatives they still use today for " we pay their security etc. and they dont contribute enough" even so its wrong but still easy use for them

[@nickd4310]

The rest of Europe didn't send troops. Other than the U.S. and UK, the only coalition members were strong armed into adding their names, but provided few troops, if any.

[@the80386]

compare those politicians with current ones like annalena baerbock, who openly says she doesn't care about what the people think, and you realize why greens are going out of touch and may continue to lose support.

[@friedcatfood]

Unrelated but I love when reporters/narrators/etc. make an effort to pronounce foreign names as close to correct as possible

[@sebastiankraemer4827]

the nuclear thing is some heavy misinformation, the nuclear shutdown was done by the previous government and the new koalition wouldnt have been able to change that due to technical requirements that dont allow a reactor to just be started up quickly, the shutdown also had strong support in all of germany. Also the Heatpump thing was ALSO a law passed by the government before them but has unfairly been tacked onto the greens. i feel like you needed to show way more context to report fairly here.

[@ronald3836]

The government could very well have kept the nuclear reactors running. Yes, there was a lot of misinformation.

[@prateekmahapatra1789]

The greens pressured every other party to agree to their "street demands " and are the primary reason the reactors shut off , they been doing this for decades so No am not gonna get them off the hook .

[@TheBarbarella76]

This is only half true. The Greens initiated the phase out of nuclear power and implemented this together with SPD in the Red-Green coalition. When the CDU rose to power, they did a roller coaster by first reversing the phase out and then reintroducing it after Fukushima accident. However, even this decision was ultimately caused by the green movement. Merkel knew that she would be politically slaughtered unless share reversed her decision. Hence, the Greens did not pull the plug but they are ultimately the reason for it.

[@vampireheart1987]

@@ronald3836 No, the government could not have done that. The operating companies themselves made it very clear that long-term continued operation was impossible, as they had been preparing for the nuclear phase-out at the end of 2022 for years. Since 2011, to be precise, when Angela Merkel and her coalition of CDU/CSU and FDP decided this. Among other things, the nuclear power stations lacked qualified personnel and fuel elements in 2022. Not to mention the fact that there is still no safe final storage facility for nuclear waste. In addition, the safety of the nuclear power stations had not been checked for years, as they were only running at a greatly reduced capacity and were due to be shut down soon. For long-term continued operation, the nuclear power plants would have had to undergo extensive and time-consuming inspections and the operating companies would have had to spend a lot of money to ensure that their nuclear power plants met the higher standards that have been introduced in the meantime. So, it would have been theoretically possible with many hundreds of billions of Euros and numerous changes to the law, but the manageable amount of electricity that might then have been produced by these three nuclear power stations would have been the most expensive electricity in the world. That would completely contradict the whole point of maintaining nuclear power stations.

[@ronald3836]

@vampireheart1987 I quote: "Germany can restart at least eight nuclear reactors, some within 9 months. Continuing the use of nuclear energy is supported by 67% of Germany and would stem losses in Germany’s industrial production. No insurmountable hurdles have been identified. However, pragmatism and proactiveness is required." If they can be restarted then obviously they did not need to be stopped in the first place. The temporary extension also confirms this. All that was needed was the political will. Unfortunately the German government prefers to tell lies.

[@zegermanscientist2667]

I am puzzled. Is she British and speaks flawless German or is she German and speaks immaculate English?

[@TheBs9875]

Green is the new brown, that's why!

[@Sp_tacnik]

Or maybe Green policies unfortunately don't appeal to voters in times of crisis? Whole politics are shifting to right everywhere no matter the current state of national politics or success of national parties. Greens will be popular again when crisis are gone and it is time for visions and building anew. (now we have times where safety is most important and that is a topic for right side of political spectrum so they are on the rise)

[@TheBs9875]

@@Sp_tacnik Greens in Germany and Democrats in the US have been co-funding the genocidal onslaught of a literal fascist government. What else do you need to acknowledge that there is no difference between right and left as far as the Western political establishment is concerned?

[@sudombd1230]

Who would believe that trying to rule while being the one demanding solutions rather than the one proposing them will end up badly?

[@Niltenstein]

The problem started when the CDU described them as as „the biggest threat to Germany“. From that it snowballed, as right leaning parties and media, especially the AfD, started twisting their ideas, saying bad things about them and overall just ruining their image. Anytime anything went wrong, it was immediately a dogpile on the greens as „the culprit“, which manifested in them losing a lot of support. Another issue is the fact that when they were elected, climate change was a big issue. Now the AfD successfully pointed everyone‘s attention at migration (which is currently actually quite low), and everyone, especially the CDU, followed suite. Now that‘s the big topic, and the greens are losing to it. What I’m trying to say is, the CDU, in their bid to pick up AfD voters, moved everyone’s focus on the AfD issues, enabling them to take hold in Germany and demonizing the greens

[@TheStudio-div]

I dont see anyway AFD is "far right" consider the green party dropping the last 3 nuclear power plant during energy crisis was just absurd. If we look from Italy or the US point of view, the green party are considering the "far left" in today standard.

[@Victorvondoom9159]

Lol Migrantion is anything but low there are around 5-6 million people that should be expelled from Germany and sent back to Africa and the middle east

[@inwaldernochsogro7694]

Migration sehr gering? Dass glaubt wohl keiner. Die Grünen haben sich selbst den „Image“ gänzlich geschadet. Letztendlich ist ihre im Kern umweltfreundliche Politik gescheitert weil der Rest ihrer Programmatik sich mit ideologisch linke Projekte widmete und damit meine ich nicht Umweltpolitik. Wenn die Grünen in dieser Sicht ein Hauch an Selbsterkennung hätten, dann hätten sie sicherlich ein besseres „Image“.

[@WarCode-1]

Impressive coverage of the rise and recent struggles of the German Greens, offering valuable perspective.

[@brodieobrien-pickering2202]

Imagine shutting down working nuclear reactors while your energy prices are that high. It's just as stupid as crippling gas production in canada.

[@katzazi664]

Only that the Greens extended the time those nuclear plants were running, upmfrom what CDU/CSU had earlier decided. Also those plants were not having any impact to energy prices in Germany. Actually energy is way cheaper now, then at the time those reactors were running. (Because of other effects.) Even the companies who were running those plants agreed that they would have issues to run them longer, as they had not ordered more functional, for tgem for quite some time and as necessary inspections were skipped, both because of tge original end date that was set by the CDU after Fukushima.

[@samad4895]

@@katzazi664 Do you really believe the nuclear plant was not having any impact in energy price? if that was the case, the shutdown won't have been delayed and the CDU are even talking about bringing back nuclear.

[@TheStudio-div]

Wont suprise when they lost vote

[@katzazi664]

@samad4895 yes. The energy price is based on the most expensive energy. That was gas. The energy price in Germany is always set to the highest price that has to be paid in that moment. Nuclear was cheaper than both coal and gas. And there was enough coal to pick up in between. Gas prices were already dropping, but they still were higher than the others, so the price for electricity was set to that price. As there was no shortage in gas for the time, the reserves were quite full, gas prices were not driven by the small amount that had to be supplemented due to the shutdown of nuclear. The nuclear plants were only providing up to 6% or something the like to the energy grid. And that was dropping anyway, because the fuel for the nuclear plants was running out and couldn't replaced directly anyway. Because of the earlier decision from the CDU.

[@ntwogaming9306]

Your German pronunciation is on spot!

[@MrPro897]

they are completely out of touch, Greens will suffer a massive defeat in February

[@Brainsucker92]

No, green party is growing rapidly. People are finally focusing on what's important to them, and their successors.

[@radicalesotericcentrist]

@@Brainsucker92 This statement is delusional. Compareable to American election polls.

[@Bibbedibob]

Your biggest issue on these channels is the tendency to just regurgitate popular narratives, without actually checking the facts. A lot of misinformation and half-truths in this video, as expected

[@jonathan2847]

The greens. The party that prefers coal to nuclear.

[@mbak7801]

Funded by the FSB up to now at least.

[@MortimerBeats]

Please inform yourself and weigh the actually existing big arguments instead of bullshitting in some comment section

[@m_lies]

Dont spread desinformation. The coal use only increced because CDU solld the Gas reserves just befor the russian war. The coal usage is now the lowest it has been in decades!

[@Bibbedibob]

That's not true lol

[@jonathan2847]

@@Bibbedibob Judge politicians on their actions not their words.

[@prostokotyara751]

>"Why AfD&BSW grows?" >TLDR: At any cost try not to talk about migration for more than 15 seconds >"Why german Greens decline?" >TLDR: much has been said about anti-nuclearism Hell, that's progress!

[@kicorse]

It does sound as if they're not really promoting a green agenda. Compromise is necessary in government, but going along with moves to support the coal industry while maintaining a hardline stance on the much less harmful (albeit obviously not as clean/safe as renewable) nuclear industry is about as bad an environmental policy as they could have.

[@rimankis8087]

With nuclear it was their position for years, but only recently public options flipped and people start to support nuclear! And with closing nuclear power plant you need a lot of planning. You cannot just not turned it off, but for sure can try to reopen (and you need sometime to do that)

[@reaperz5677]

How is nuclear "not as clean/safe as renewable"? As far as I know, it's as safe as other energy sources (if maintained well, obviously, but good maintenance is required for ALL energy sources so that they don't go to shit.), and they're just as clean as other green energy sources. Like yeah nuclear waste is a thing but we solved that "issue" like, 30 years ago.

[@togamid]

@@reaperz5677 Regarding safety: Fukushima didn't have a meltdown because of lack of maintenance. And a solar farm will never destroy an area for thousands of years, regardless of what you do. Nuclear power has inherent risks that might be mitigated somewhat, but saying it is as risk free as renewable energy is simply wrong And how did we solve nuclear waste in your opinion?

[@kicorse]

@@reaperz5677 I was expecting a few outraged responses to my comment, but not in that direction! In fairness, there's a case to be made that nuclear power is no less safe than hydroelectric power (where there's a risk of dams bursting), but compared to wind or solar there really isn't an argument. Nuclear power is of course much safer than coal, which kills people through air pollution at a much higher rate (per unit of energy generated), even when Chernobyl is included in the statistics.

[@mbak7801]

@@togamid Yet nuclear power is by far the safest energy system. It just helps reduce reliance on Russian coal, gas and oil so is on the sharp end of huge investments in misinformation and propaganda.

[@tuxwurst5329]

6:02 "abrutly" is wildly incorrect. it was an slow phase out, that was planed since 2011 and started some years ago. The right tryed to cancel the last step last minute but all they got was a delay of some winter months.

[@niemand1989]

The Greens might be considered at anti-establishment party 25 years ago. No one considered them this for next election. The anti-establishment vote will go to AfD, Die Linke and in the next election also BSW.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

Yes, the anti-establishment vote will go to parties serving the establishment the most. Because people are too stupid to vote in their own interest.

[@julianengel492]

As a German who mainly follows German politics I wanted to say: well summarised! The only thing I would add is that the greens desperately try to find compromises in a coalition and within their party. While this is good for democracy and finding solutions this has resulted in what you described very well

[@PropritacusLP]

With like 10 errors in the video but yeah. And I don't even like the greens

[@izumemori]

@@PropritacusLP 10 is being charitable

[@mab9614]

With the shutdown of the last three nuclear reactors on 15/4/2023, they have achieved the END goal of the party’s very existence…… Regarding nuclear energy in Germany, the question of phase-out was not a question of if but when, especially since Brokdorf. Although I must admit the seven Vor-Konvoi and Konvoi reactors(plus the two BWRs at Gundremmingen) should have been kept operational until coal is history for Germany.

[@jakubosiejewski9859]

Germans wanted to replace coal with Russian gas in exchange for concessions in Eastern/Central Europe. Sounds familiar?

[@mab9614]

@@jakubosiejewski9859 Shortsightedness is one thing, but I must admit that Merkel was indeed right about one thing: during the height of the Cold War, the Soviet Union never turned off gas supplies to Europe. Then again, a reactor is not a kettle. Once it’s shut, it cannot be started back up as easily as flipping a switch. What’s done is done. I just hope Germany can achieve coal phase-out by 2030, albeit I doubt it.

[@goughrmp]

Now they just use French Nuclear power instead because the French aren't idiotic on energy

[@Karol-ei1fc]

​@@goughrmp0,2% of Germanys electricity usage comes from France. And the main electricity company in france is fully state-owned, bc it's so expensive

[@reaperz5677]

@@Karol-ei1fc So what? You're touting that it's "expensive" as something bad. Nationalising energy sources is the BEST case scenario, because the government has an implicit motivation to keep energy prices low for the people, rather than jack up the prices like a private company would. I fail to get why this is an issue. Should we also get rid of public transport and infrastructure maintenance? They're all expensive and ran by the government, after all.

[@davidblair9877]

Short version: they got a bad hand and played it in the stupidest way possible. Killing nuclear while opening a coal mine during an energy supply crisis…real galaxy-brain moment there.

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[@mjw3877]

Sadly enough the support have not dropped below 5%.

[@willguggn2]

Springerpresse happened.

[@gruffelo6945]

indeed

[@Elucidator-]

Interesting, is this a progressive variant of Lügenpresse?

[@philipkoene5345]

Exactly! Given, that Springer is not mentioned once in this video - it is completely off the mark, sorry to say.

[@SDDT24]

Such a poor excuse when the greens have lurched from faluire to failure , a recent poll showed that 41% of journalists voted green so if anything it’s the opposite

[@insu_na]

​@@Elucidator-no. The Axel Springer corporation is the owner of most of the worlds misinformation networks.

[@pirat9750]

Adding my voice to the chorus that this video is wildly inaccurate in many ways. A redo or at least recutting would be appreciated Not going to elaborate on what the problems are because everyone else seems to already have done that.

[@NicolasHaufe]

"Germany will change radically and im happy for it" göring-eckardt of the greens talking about Migration

[@jf7009]

To be honest the bigger threat for Germany is the radical right. Not immigration.

[@oezibanana8664]

I wouldn't say people *lost interest* in the issue of climate change, since we all live on this planet, drink its water etc. But you can see how the strategy of the modern Greens of decoupling the issue of climate change with class issues, is a complete desaster. Even middle class folks struggle to pay their rent, food has become ~30% more expensive and so on. And the Greens answer to that was a complete lackluster. They have become one of the many neoliberal and even "neocon" (to use American terminology) parties and are thus not perceived as an opposition to these problems, but participants.

[@balmashev93]

Closing nuclear plants and increasing dependency ob Russian gas is great idea, for sure Just FYI nuclear energy is one of the cleanest ones

[@grafity1749]

Tgis was all made under CDU rull and the greens got all the blame for it after Ruzzia invaded litterally months after they came to power

[@Knuspabrot]

Where do you think the uranium comes from? Who do you think decided to turn off the aging nuclear reactors? Basically, why are you such a tool?

[@banani1236]

​@@Knuspabroturanium is a natural resource. The green party and their propaganda decided to shut down the reactors. Making sure everyone got scared. It's not because nuclear energy is bad, but rather because that was their business strategy. Taking advantage of a natural accident in Fukushima to spread fear among the population. The greens weren't even well known before 2011

[@evanmcdonald9134]

@@Knuspabrot How about you answer these questions you posed before calling him a tool. Give us some statistics with sources. Also doesn’t help your case to sound completely obnoxious

[@Knuspabrot]

@@evanmcdonald9134 Why seriously argue with people when they only spout the usual cheap propaganda nonsense? But just for you, here: Most Uranium mainly comes from Kazakhstan, in the near geopolitical orbit of both Russia and China, so, not good from an economic or political perspective. It's a strategic resource. The reactors were closed by the decision of the conservative CDU government at the time. There still is not a single long term storage for nuclear waste. Not one. And the reactors are old as shit by now and the concrete the are build from is literally crumbling. This should be very obvious stuff to know if someone wants to talk shit about nuclear energy on the internet. It means nuclear energy is not nearly as great as uniformed people make it out to be.

[@wyldhowl2821]

- The Greens could never naturally get along with the FDP. The FDP are libertarian individualists, free-marketers who value literally nothing except economics and personal wealth. The Greens are a party born to be ecological, to put the greater good of not just the human race but the entire earth ecosystem first, before materialst economics and individualistic concerns. Quite literally, the Green movement chooses survival above all, and libertarians chooses self-indulgence above all. They are political opposites. The only thing they can ever a green on is a rejection of traditional social morality. How is it a surprise that the Greens would want to harness collective public resources towards sustainability and the FDP would absolutely reject it? This partnership was always headed for a break-up. - The migrants issue should not be a side-taking one for a primarily ecological movement, except to point out that migrants are fleeing places like the Middle East and Africa because the wealthy nations' exploitive interference actions are making those places unlivable. Stop ruining other peoples' homelands, and the waves of migrants stop. IF the Greens are getting tipped up by it, it is due to an attempt to blindly follow social "progressive" rather than putting ecology first. - The military issue is a strange one. Most Germans would be fine with a larger & more normalized military, but there is a strain of self-destructive phobia inside Germany and the "left: side of German politics feels it acutely. The Greens always close pacifism, given their roots in the Cold War peace movement, but perhaps the real problem was not so much shift towards a military boost, so much as it being done for pro-NATO reasons. Among many German green supporters, being pro-NATO is much more of a sin, because they always used to be dissenters against following Washington's strategic plans, and questioning the elite consensus behind what is now a second Cold War. - Those two issues are still minor compared to a Green party actually showing agreement to a plan that would destroy a village so Germany could mine & burn more coal. I mean that is outright heresy & treason to the green movement, not just in Germany but everywhere. Heat pumps and whatever could only shed voters who were not really committed to them, but betraying the defining struggle of our time (the fight to lower carbon emissions and therefore survive climate change) was something that could break the spirit of their party's core. As the coal project drew protests, the Greens in government were now at war against their own supporters. Well, former supporters now. The German green movement needs to do some serious soul searching. The battle between "fundis" and "realos" is not the issue; every party is faced with the need to compromise when they cannot get all that they want. Their problem is that they have lost any core ideological direction which sets them clearly apart from other parties, and that lack of clarity cost them dearly when it came time to see which of their principles they would uphold. They sacrificed a core issue of their movement for the sake of coalition solidarity, they scored a crippling own-goal.

[@getnohappy]

Single issue parties suffer when their view becomes mainstream (environment is important) and especially on the progressive left where policies can seem like luxury beliefs during times of times or material hardship.

[@guerreiro943]

Taking care of the environment is not a luxury belief by any stretch of the imagination.

[@mariatheresavonhabsburg]

​@@guerreiro943 Ofcourse it's not! I'm just wondering how "well" Ukraine and Russia are currently taking care of the environment...

[@Kordanor]

I think the situation was presented far more bleak for the Greens than it is. Though (mostly?) factually correct, I think some things are exaggerated. The "scandals" for example. Also the greens are just "back to their normal levels" if you could call them that. Yes, that's about half of what they had at their peak, but it's not the end of the party or really "dramatic". On the other hand you also need to look at the other parties of the government an the parties in general. From what it looks like the greens will be fine. The FDP and the Linken on the other hand wont survive. The european elections also showed something else which isn't much talked about. While it is correct that support for rightwing extremist party rose, EU parliament also features very small parties, and they got attractice as well, and especially in the Left/Green field there are several viable options which did get seats: "DIE PARTEI" as a bit of a nonsesense party with green/left tendencied, the Pirate Party, VOLT, ÖDP, and a few more which didn't get seats. The new Party by Sarah Wagenknecht (BSW, populist) is also facing some issues now as it gets to face reality and might potentially break apart or destroy itself before it even really fully rises. So there are lots of factors which put it into perspective. Also for nucelear power for example where even the big companies didnt want to get back to nuclear as it was not worth it economically, it's not like the Greens were the sole fighters against Nuclear. It's more like only rightwing parties (including FDP) were complaining to get back to nuclear. Also since the government was disbanded the greens register a big number of new members (which ofc wont equal to voters, but it further shows it's not "the end")

[@bnbcraft6666]

Wasn't there a german mp that said Germans becoming a minority in their own country was a good thing?

[@d.3521]

Yeah

[@dinkaboutit4228]

The problem is that German environmental concern has been subsidized this entire time by Russian environmental indifference, and now that this is no longer geo-politically feasible, the German consumer finds themselves less willing to put their money where their concrns are.

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Well, it hasn't. They went from 15% to 12-13% in recent polls. Not much of a collaps if you ask me.

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

The Greens pushing for Russian gas was also a HUGE bummer. They wanted the funding from coal, oil, and gas companies while looking "green" without actually being green.

[@narvuntien]

*takes notes* As a member of a different countries Green party, this should be instructive. It is possible they are also dealing with the same big rightward swing of young people that was seen in the USA election and the right wings control of social and independant media.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

Yes, take note. Rationality has lost. No answer can be longer than five words. There is no way to win this battle as there is not enough attention to explain things. And one can easily see this, when TLDR utterly fails to even list the facts and repeats conservative talking points like a bunch of useful idiots of the right.

[@STSgerman]

never mentioned "woke" in the video once. I think since the green party is seen as very woke, that drove a lot of people away from them as well

[@TheStudio-div]

the same far left ideology, just the word didnt use in europe.

[@swmike]

That's what happens when you drive energy policy that doesn't work and end up costing everybody a lot of money. Shutting down fully working nuclear power plants on idealogical reasons whilst then ending up having to pay for gas/coal is just bad policy and should be punished.

[@ArianeQube]

Because the simple idea of eliminating nuclear energy was absolutely idiotic.

[@peteregan3862]

Fascinating - Host/presenter Georgina Findlay had no other role in production, the content is by Nadja Lovadinov

[@itryen7632]

The greens only did bad because of their bad coworkers blocking all of their suggestions.

[@prateekmahapatra1789]

You mean the sensible coworker who checked their extremities ?

[@Janoip]

Thanks FDP for blocking alot of Ideological stuff from the Greens and stopping to go against their Voters Position

[@maxmichalik4938]

So, are wlyou also going to make a video about the other junior coalition member? The one that might be moving from being a part of the government to probably not even being in parliament anymore?

[@vitoanania6042]

There's not right or left approach to immigration: there's dumb (let anyone in) and correct: let people in as qualified as your economy needs.

[@effluxi9587]

Precisely. The first causes instability - Which, notably, is something some parties deliberately try to sow. In the UK, for example, the Conservatives spent the last 14 years doing the former whilst championing the latter - something they were only called out for as recently as 3 days ago when Labour's new government took a strong stance on immigration.

[@jamesevans1890]

"As your economy needs" is not good either. That's another way of saying employers being lazy/greedy and hiring abroad to get cheap labour or people they don't need to train, which hits local young people and low paid hardest since depresses wages and provides less incentive for apprenticeships and results in youth unemployment. There's also the fact that an economy might need more workers during a boom but a bust is sure to come and immigrants generally stay for good and have a major impact on culture and population replacement. Better just to hire locals and EU nationals and do the best training/decent wages you can for a balance over time, with more automation and efficiency to handle any labour shortages. Don't be afraid of labour shortages, they encourage adaptation and improvement.

[@roffaleft499]

A lot of people online seem to purposely ommit that there are no restrictions on immigration from EU/EEA/CH.. Nor can there be any at this moment.

[@jamesevans1890]

@@effluxi9587 Labour have not taken a strong stance on immigration, that's just propaganda to get votes back from Reform, they are even more pro-immigration that the Conservatives, who deliberately let millions of people in from outside the EU while pretending to be strong on immigration by targeting a few thousand coming in illegally on boats. The entire political class is responsible for mass immigration: the Blair government started it and Cameron continued it. On immigration there is no right wing in the political elite only left wing.

[@TheStudio-div]

@@jamesevans1890 the syrian or those who claim they are syrian didnt work much...same goes when they are in turkey refugee camp..

[@SvenAlbertPedersen]

The "heat pump" story wasn't like mentioned either. All gas or oil heaters could have been repaired, if repairable. Nobody was "forced" into heat pumps. In the long run (and that is the life span of a heater) oil or gas will fade out, because it'll become more and more expensive. The watering down (under the pressure of the FDP and the opposition CDU/CSU, the AfD) was a mistake. And everyone who installed a new oil or gas heater will regret it. I've read in the news, that the first local energy suppliers ("Stadtwerke") are planning to drop out of supplying gas as early as 2035. That's ten years. Fewer suppliers will increase prices once more. Good luck with the heater, that is supposed to last 20 years longer.

[@Myname-cb9ru]

Yeah: anti-nuclear and pacifist. both 2 things that we can't afford to be anymore

[@jf7009]

I'd like to remember you that the CDU decided to exit Nuclear energy production after the Fukushima accident. And pacifist? Actually they press for more weapon deliveries into Ukraine than the SPD. The Greens have understood that in times of russian aggression it is time to change ideologies.

[@FuckingMushroom93]

The greens are actually one of the biggest advocates for increased military aid to Ukraine and higher Budget for the Bundeswehr but okay lol

[@Brainsucker92]

Just a quick reminder where Germany got the most of their uranium rods to operate the power plants: Russia.

[@p_1945]

Pacifist for the green in current government , I think they're most involved in support Ukraine so far which make SPD and FDP seem to be more pacifist compared to the green right now.

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

They are more red than green, blood red.

[@clouddistrictgang24]

Shutting down nuclear power plant for more coal is insane.

[@lynx5690]

They build up renewable energy to compromise the coal. They still want go coal-free by 2030. You idiot.

[@mael1515]

Both decisions were unrelated...

[@jf7009]

actually the CDU decided to exit from nuclear energy production after Fukushima happened. Not the greens.

[@TugaThings]

Yeah, it doesn't change the fact that the greens support that move​ @jf7009

[@TheStudio-div]

@@mael1515 lack of energy from nuclear power causing german to depend more on coal? which more coal mining?

[@JasonFlopster219]

This video has many flaws. Many problems are presented in a very exaggerated way. From the abrupt shutdown of the nuclear power plants (which had been planned since 2011 and was even delayed by the Green Economics Minister), to the comparison between the Greens' highest poll results and the current ones, even if they have only lost 2% since the relevant federal election in 2021 (for comparison: the chancellor's party SPD has halved its result. The FDP has cut its result by a third and has to fear being thrown out of parliament.) Also, the boom in membership applications of 20,000 applications to the Greens since the end of the coalition was not even mentioned. As a result, the Greens became the party with the third largest number of members. (After CDU and SPD, and followed by CSU)

[@ggvacm4st3r79]

6:05 the stupidest thing that germans ever done

[@banani1236]

1945?

[@Antropovich]

yeah I could think more stupid things... 1939.. 1914..

[@ggvacm4st3r79]

@@Antropovich 1914? Literally Austria-Hungary started Great war. WW II was the result of stupid decisions made at Versailles on 19', reinforced by the Black Thursday 29' . Greets from Poland

[@Antropovich]

@@ggvacm4st3r79 Yeah Austria-Hungary started the great war, German government supported the war... to do some imperialistic stuff.. I find it to be a mistake in retrospect. Sure, Versailles was humiliating, but germans arent automatons who are incapable of not starting a war 20 years after the fact. Greetings from Estonia!

[@ExplosiveSalami]

​@@Antropovichthird stupidest then

[@bidzej86]

TL;DW: the world said "check" and it turned out green ideas are not that cool when you actually have to pay for them.

[@mintcake2668]

Their foreign minister is a walking disaster.

[@thepax2621]

Amen

[@lucasfah6145]

Uh, she's actually not.

[@Eisenbrei]

She is the first german foreign minister with a spine and principles!

[@thepax2621]

@@Eisenbrei *Pfft* 😂 Good one 👍🏻

[@Sylveon_Chloe]

I disagree. The German foreign minister doesn’t even do that much. The main job is to talk to people from other countries.

[@tucksiver8763]

That should have been a 4 minute video. Other than that it did technical contain the information advertised in the title. Just skip to about 2/3rds of the way through to actually find it.

[@policymatters-0801]

The Greens Picked Black Lung Coal Over Clean Nuclear. WTF

[@policymatters-0801]

I'm Progressive, Even I Know That's Ducking Stupid.

[@Brainsucker92]

This information is wrong. The nuclear power plants were already past the point of no return when the government came into office. Demolition contracts were made long before, no more uranium rods left (which came mostly from Russia anyway). After the Ukraine conflict started, Germany received a lot less gas from Russia. So they had to supplement the lack of energy with coal, and much more expensive gas from other countries.

[@mariatheresavonhabsburg]

​@@Brainsucker92 Why are you ignoring Greens advocating for decades against nuclear energy only to recently succeed in their goals? The anti-nuclear movement in Germany has been lead by the Greens since it ever began, whether you like it or not.

[@Brainsucker92]

@@mariatheresavonhabsburg I'm not ignoring it. It's just unrelated to the current situation. I already said the power plants were way beyond the point of no return when the government came into office. That's a fact.

[@ShadowOnWiiU]

Well done on the pronunciation!