Shawn Cee On Why He Dislikes White Rappers

In this clip, Fantano and Shawn Cee discuss the need for White Rappers (e.g. Jack Harlow) in the Hip-Hop field, and if they're dumbing down the sound.
also i used music in this interview clip, comment down below if you're cool with me adding background music or nah
Check the full interview with Shawn Cee HERE: • Talking to Shawn Cee
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[@callumanon3917]

Shawncee clearly hasnt heard or met the legendary Mr Worldwide aka Pitbull aka the best rapper of all time. Guy singlehandedly pioneered rap for the mainstream with his unique style and doesn't even get a foot note. I met pitbull once, really cool and funny guy, he baptised my sister and it was such a touching moments.

[@Jidom_101]

who?

[@lucaspsm125]

LMAO underrated comment

[@callumanon3917]

@@lucaspsm125 I'm glad you appreciate Mr Worldwide as much as I do

[@everett4095]

Isn’t he hispanic?

[@SonglyWryt]

I hope you're not joking cause that could be a great point if we weren't emotionally biased creatures. Pitbull really was on his own lane.

[@mjz5254]

How they totally ignored Jack Harlow's physical appearance is beyond me. That's a big part why he has such a large female fan base. He's young, tall, a little bit dorky which makes him look innocent, but on the contrary, has a slick flirty personality. With his smooth flow, flirty lyrics and right marketing. DJ Drama got himself a superstar.

[@jayyy1677]

He’s attractive,just say that

[@samkellogg2805]

He’s not that tall lmao I have 6 inches on him

[@swuq5396]

@@samkellogg2805 nigga no one cares

[@swuq5396]

Aint no one talkin bout sam kellog💀

[@nameisamine]

He’s very smooth funny and flirty, and it wins people over before they even hear any music. Most of his appeal isn’t within the actual music.

[@brknsh6689]

Shawn finally calls for mac Miller to get his deserved respect.I see it exactly the same way.Mac miller broke boundaries and that white rapper image and he needs to get respect on his name!

[@jared9525]

Shut up everyone loves Mac Miller

[@dqarqeer8603]

@@jared9525 Exactly wtf is this guy talking about

[@nah8780]

@@jared9525 When Swimming came out, a lot of people were like "WHO? Y'ALL HEAR SUM?" because it came out around the same time as Astroworld. Then he died and everyone suddenly changed their faces (pun fully intended)... People are snakes and he didn't get the respect he deserved while he was with us. Dude was an absolute icon who did his own thing, he always had his sound and didn't care about anything else and he got hate for it. Even now people don't get how much of a legend he was, that's probably what the comment above is tryina say, he still deserves more respect from the masses.

[@carlharbo1821]

Yung lean and beasty boys

[@GarrettLGoodrich]

Everyone out here has been loving Mac forever except you 😆😆😆

[@GranolaSloth]

These 2 work so well together they should make a podcast.

[@moddrrrusky2910]

I would pay for that

[@onmymomma1766]

ppl who watch the bald dude 🤓🤓

[@xeno4162]

@@onmymomma1766 What?

[@nevadanate4957]

@@onmymomma1766 you mean millions of people?

[@onmymomma1766]

@@nevadanate4957 ye bunch of nerds

[@Woodchuck799]

El-P comes to mind. Dude actually doesn’t get the respect he deserves in terms of innovating the abstract hip hop sound and laying the groundwork for people on both a sonic and industry level to enter that scene with some success

[@nicksikoryak1467]

El-P is a legend. That man can do it all.

[@Piiavc]

EL-P, Aesop Rock, Lil Ugly Mane (though im not sure how the debate ended on digital black face via mista thug)

[@Woodchuck799]

@@Piiavc ugly mane is chameleonic. His recent turn towards the neo-psych, indie rock vibe has been Uber successful

[@nrgydrink4489]

I think el-p lands in the more producer side of what Shaun's saying, because a producer doesn't have to have a brand. They can just make beats their entire career so it's not going to create any cross cultural conflict. While I agree el-p is a great rapper, even when he's with Killer Mike and other black artists he offers so much to the production side of things that he's clearly not seeing the performance in the same way as an Eminem or a Jack Harlow would. Its production first and performance second for el-p not the other way around. He doesn't even think about how he should be marketing himself, it's just pure creativity on the back of his own production. I see the same thing in the Alchemist - he's creating beats based on his creative vision and giving those beats to the artists he thinks would work best on them for whatever creative reason

[@Woodchuck799]

@@nrgydrink4489 but El-P mostly produced for himself so there’s crossover imo. You’re talking about run the jewels but I’m mostly referring to the company flo/fantastic damage era

[@jennyneon]

Shawn Ceeʼs treating white rappers just like heʼs treating his MAGDALENE Vinyl on most of his videos.

[@beaualIoevv]

nobody cares , stop spamming on every video weirdo

[@TheBestPizzaConnoisseur]

LMAO

[@MODERN-GAMING-IS-TRASH]

Straight hater lol “White rappers adopt a sound and have nothing to offer” Makes absolutely no fucking sense. So every white rapper should have a completely different style? Like bruh you know how many BLACK rappers have the same fucking sound, copy each others cadences and become rich af off of it??? Completely out of touch.

[@CypressDahlia]

I don't mind white rappers. But I hate non-black rappers that play up rapping for "irony." Lil Dicky had this problem. Not that he was making comedy, but he was playing up this "haha I'm so different because ironically I am white and nerdy and am good with my money." Rich Bryan, early in his career, did the same thing but "haha I'm ironically rapping because I'm an Asian that wears a polo, pressed shorts and a fanny pack while rapping over drill beats." Macklemore's Thrift Shop did the same thing. That's corny. Comedy rap is fine. Weird Al's "white and nerdy" is comedy rap. But treating rap as a genre as a satire is something that non-black rappers love to do and it low key feeds into narratives of people who think rap is dumb and something that should be a mockery. That's where all the "I hate rap, but I listen to Lil Dicky" "I hate rap but I listen to Macklemore" "I hate rap but I listen to [non-black rapper who treats rap like a mockery]" shit comes from

[@willenhall12345]

Yeah man, it's called a subgenre. Not every rap song has to be super serious and hardcore with its themes, people can just have some fun if they want to. I'm sure if these comedy rappers wanted to make a serious song they probably could. They're not treating rap as satire, also there's plenty of black rappers that do the exact same thing.

[@MyNameIsLegato]

Luckily Rich Brian found a way better lane..I really enjoyed his last two albums. Action Bronson is also one of my favorite artists and he's hilarious without doing the "I'm a white guy that raps" shit

[@shotbynolan1705]

🎯🎯🎯

[@CypressDahlia]

@生流 奏 Saying you think something is corny = gatekeeping. Got it, boss.

[@marknutt4398]

TOm MCDONALd

[@adamquenano8563]

Shawn is like, “Em is the only one that’s worth my legs”.

[@moottorisorsa3099]

He aint said a word about em

[@DeathTheKidKH]

Not even mentioned but you still bring this dude up 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@adamquenano8563]

@@DeathTheKidKH I’m an Eminem fan but I’m not pushing an Eminem agenda.The title on first glance,can make it seem Shawn Think all white rappers are like Jack Harlow.Shawn on his channel has shown respect to most White rappers(Em being the only one in his top 50).Shawn has gotten extensive criticism for his recent opinions on EM when it’s a bit unwarranted.Also the legs joke is a recurring joke from Shawn that I figured people would get😁

[@thequinlanshow3326]

He clearly doesn't like Em though

[@adamquenano8563]

@@thequinlanshow3326 Naw he does

[@TheSkaOreo]

Unfortunately people are going to miss the point and, ironically, focus on the race aspect on not on what is actually being said. Shawn Cee is not saying that white people can’t rap or that black rappers can’t be mid. What he is saying is that the bar is so low for white rappers compared to black rappers, that just being “white person that raps” is enough to put you over the edge. It’s like being a unicorn. This is basically what happened with Iggy Azalea: a white girl Australian who put on a black drawl and “rapped” got major push from the industry precisely because she was white.

[@brandonyo5718]

Jacks lyrics are legitimately unique and are not some over said bullshit. Like most of these BLACK artists. Shawn is a clown bruh. Listen to his past two albums he has some stuff that is familiar to the culture like the flexing part but a lot of the words are new to the game and the way he articulates it with the flow and tone is unique he has his own sound hilarious how Anthony just let this guy stomp on jack like he don’t smack these tracks. Shawn really has no eye for talent sadly.

[@RealKoolKid1]

@@brandonyo5718 I bet you 100 bucks you are not black

[@RealKoolKid1]

@@brandonyo5718 jacks “talent” is that he’s marketable to white people being a white guy. Look at yung gravy for example. He’s terrible but he’s popular. Why? Because he’s white

[@retnugnahte]

@@brandonyo5718 no one cares

[@reveriexxx]

hmm i feel like it's the opposite - that the bar for white rappers is higher. they have more to prove because they are immediately seen as "corny" or "uncool". i don't disagree with the iggy part tho, so i guess it just depends hahaha

[@TheApro123]

Jack Harlow proved Shawn Cee’s point with his latest album 💀

[@Your_Boy_Dimes]

elaborate

[@yuhhweahz3505]

@@Your_Boy_Dimes it was garbage

[@jayanths1221]

@@yuhhweahz3505 Not garbage, but aggressively unoriginal and painfully average.

[@brandonyo5718]

Jacks lyrics are legitimately unique and are not some over said bullshit. Like most of these BLACK artists. They hop in the game rapping about lean and killing people like 90 percent of every other black artist yet he won’t point that garbage out. Shawn is a clown bruh. Listen to his past two albums he has some stuff that is familiar to the culture like the flexing part but a lot of the words are new to the game and the way he articulates it with the flow and tone is unique he has his own sound hilarious how Anthony just let this guy stomp on jack like he don’t smack these tracks. Shawn really has no eye for talent sadly.

[@yuhhweahz3505]

@@brandonyo5718 he doesn’t have he’s own sound nothing Jack hallow is doing is unique he’s just another white rapper being pushed down the mainstream. He’s popular with whites people because they rarely get decent white rappers that they can relate too Jack is the perfect frat boy rapper don’t ever disrespect black music and artist don’t forget who put on all your favourite white rappers 🤡 🤡

[@illwill1991]

Here's where Shawn's argument falls apart. How many rappers in general are wholly unique and original? He goes "they come in with a sound that's already in existence" and it's like... yeah as do most rappers. As do most artists as a matter of fact. Art is built on the back of art.

[@MrLukabot]

Art is a Conversation, nothing can be wholly original, everything is always built on past foundations and ideas.

[@bartleysbattles]

Underrated comment

[@jakubfoltyn1959]

You're right

[@nandochavez4546]

I was thinking the same

[@jwm1444]

IMO, I think when he says style he means a personality, and if that's the case he's being pretty accurate. Jack has a personality but none of it really comes through in his music.

[@_ascensionist]

I agree with Melon, Lil Dicky is the best white rapper ever.

[@boiwundr142]

You mean rapper

[@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577]

Definitely a rapper of all time

[@DaanP95]

Thats just because MGK decides to become the best poppunk artist

[@m9tteo676]

YEAT

[@Fa113n94]

EL-P, aesop rock, Mac Miller are all way better then lil dicky lmao

[@jpeg204]

Why is he arguing that mainstream white rappers don’t bring anything to the table when that’s also the case for like 90% of mainstream rappers regardless of race. I don’t see how a couple white rappers releasing mediocre music “brings down the standard” when there’s literally 10x more black rappers also releasing mediocre music within the mainstream. They all bring the standard down, but white rappers make up such a small demographic of rap that placing all of the blame on them feels illogical. Like yeah jack Harlow isn’t the greatest but neither are the majority of the people in the mainstream, the bar isn’t that high to begin with. And then even beyond the mainstream he just ignores all of the white rappers that are genuinely unique and that have influenced the genre

[@B3nchwarm3r708]

Damn, didn't think about it this way.

[@ej-oy7ce]

I agree that white rappers aren't really hurting the genre that much overall but tbh there's really shockingly few white rappers that are unique and have influenced the culture in hip hop overall.

[@undergroundlace1686]

@@ej-oy7cename 20 white rappers doe, thats OP's point. most mainstream rappers are trash, so when you got a couple white dudes, like 80-90% of them are gonna be trash. I'm a pretty big-ish hip-hop fan (and I'm also white lol) i don't think even i could name you 20 white rappers, let alone ones that are good...

[@P3rks0fLife]

You have missed the point. The “90%” you kept vaguely referring to tend to still have something different about them that makes them stand out. And even if they don’t, Kanye ain’t callin em top 5. Every mainstream white rapper comes in the game w a style that’s already been poppin but they get credit/accolades/praise for being the forefront of that style. Em w horrorcore/shock rap and then speed rap, (Three 6 was doin it for years before him, and Tech N9ne w speed rap) or G-Eazy w w.e kinda music he makes (any west coast artist in last 10 years).

[@j4keweb]

@@P3rks0fLife kanye has brain worms who cares about his top 5

[@arizonateagod8491]

As much as his current music sucks, Bones really changed the underground as a white rapper

[@wack...]

also yung lean.

[@jodajoda2863]

Lil Peep was big in the emo/sad rap scene as well. From what I know, hip hop fans don't really consider that "real" hop hop but I think he's worth mentioning. I would argue he is more important for the emo and pop punk revival we are seeing now than anything going on in rap/hip hop, but he made a big impact regardless. He's not nearly at the level of influence that Em or Bones had but Peep was a big deal for a lot of people.

[@ggmuney1847]

True but peep literally sounds like black Kray. (White Kray) And not that cuz black was a major influence in the minimalist wave like playboi carti and uno the activist. Just listen to Kray a verse on so Icey goth la flexicos by spaceghostpurrp . And listen to Stevie j and Joseline. That song was released on 2014 a year prior to the expansion and popularity of the emo, goth wave. I’m not hating I’m just stating the truth I’m just telling people about the real underground artist and their impact on music.

[@hahaaxd4041]

Why does his current music suck though? I really enjoy most of his latest projects.

[@Brandon-vd7er]

@@ggmuney1847 im not hating either but peep and black kray sound almost nothing alike lol, even the verse you mentioned isnt even close to most of lil peep songs

[@biddash9815]

being an artist and being around white rappers i get everything he is saying. alot of white rappers dont be having their own story or style but just attach themselves to a style and spit every cliche of set style. jack harlow can spit though honestly.

[@B3nchwarm3r708]

He's said that his mom raised him on Hip-hop and his dad raised him on country, so he didn't really "attach" himself to whatever style he is rapping but is more like grown to rap how he is currently And people are only taking the hits and making them the only songs in his catalogs. Some of the cuts on his last album displayed some other hints of different styles. Idk, I feel like Shawn's frustrations are a little misguided towards Jack.

[@biddash9815]

@@B3nchwarm3r708 yeah i wouldn't say Jack is one of those white rappers. you can tell he really got passion for rap.

[@luminouskiwi1104]

True, but I think it’s a little ignorant to assume all rappers are trash if they’re white. He acts like every rapper needs to create their own unique wave to make good music.

[@Maximonification]

@@luminouskiwi1104 i think the more important point is, if a Black rapper of jack harlow's skill and not necessarily original aesthetic (not a bad thing, there are a lot of not particularly original musicians, most of them honestly), would they be as successful? The bigger argument has nothing to do with Jack specifically or how talented he is, but if because of his whiteness he doesn't have to try as hard as Black rappers would to achieve the amount of success he's seen so far.

[@victini248]

shawn cee is a clown

[@aleksastamenkovic5526]

Jack seems like a good dude, but seriously, wtf do people see in his music. Its just so mediocre. Hes good for what he is.

[@robertsmith9741]

Fr. First class in such a mid song. Why is it blowing up?

[@amarelarue8813]

You say that and I think to my self to all the lil Wayne clones. Who only mumble rap. And suck but some people still like them

[@sk8rddy957]

@@robertsmith9741 The sample flip is somewhat novel. That’s why. There’s not much else to the song.

[@robertsmith9741]

@@sk8rddy957 the sample usage is really cool. Outside of that , his lyrics are really bland. that's my only problem with most of his songs. They are just carried by his flow most of the time.

[@limuemu5307]

I think just like you said a lot of it is the persona. And the clever fun rhymes as well as well as the whole flirty aspect. I’m interested to see if he can do it long term though.

[@luka7334]

i love the respect put on mac. he deserves it and more

[@lanadelriki]

He only does it cuz he died. EVERYONE clowned on Mac for being white before he passed.

[@nostalgiaharvey7213]

@@lanadelrikippl never clowned him cause he white. ppl clowned for making frat rap music early in his career (which was good in my opinion) even danny brown criticized his frat rap music back in the day.

[@schaerioute]

@@lanadelrikiveryone? nope. he was friends with most of the game.

[@terrabull1639]

The Catherine OST is godlike. If you haven't played it you should give it a try. It is a really fun puzzle platformer? Also, I agree with Shawn C to some degree regarding his W take.

[@skilledbros]

I agree with the overall argument of white rappers not having contributed much to rap besides Mac, Em, and a few others.

[@MaxMax-zo9vq]

You got some greats in the underground like El-P and Aesop Rock, but yeah I couldn’t think of a modern mainstream exception to his rule besides Mac or Em. Edit: Forgot to add Beastie Boys

[@theoharri4195]

What about Macklemore, NF, and Tom MacDonald? Smh

[@Fjdirjejrjrrjdj]

@@theoharri4195 lmao- no hate to poor Macklemore tho

[@jimmy8213]

@@MaxMax-zo9vq I mean if we wanna talk about “the culture” NWA literally sampled beastie boys songs, even did covers of their music. So did Run DMC. Which means white rappers influenced the fucking goats, Idk where this bigoted gatekeeping notion comes from. They didn’t do it in the 80s clearly so why is a dude in his 20s like Shawn Cee doing it in 2022 🤡

[@captainnappyhair]

@@theoharri4195 good joke

[@dennis3dc]

I’m not a jack harlow fan by a long shot, but he answered his own question. He’s received better than big Sean because big Sean came off as an asshole, too self serious & kinda snobby. Their lyrics are equally corny but tbh jack literal is a cooler person, it shows through what he does. I also think it has something to do with him being a good looking white man, but there is still a fun personality attached to that, where as with big Sean, there was nothing to complement his personality

[@jasonbaskin940]

THANK YOU

[@Summerrhead]

No

[@senpaigoku1496]

Big Sean is dope

[@dennis3dc]

@@senpaigoku1496 never said he wasn’t

[@antoinjohnson4146]

@@dennis3dc so is he corny or dope lol

[@scottsmith8162]

1:25 This can be said about 90% of rappers that come out regardless of what they look like.

[@marknutt4398]

It’s goes both ways But it’s encouraged when the majority of the game is black . We’ll call em clones But When a non black person , does it - You gotta big chance its Corny

[@pixstixx9207]

nah 99% fr

[@Ughstopped]

Dont get your jimmies rustled, he was literally asked about white rappers so he answered

[@blueballedtech]

Agreed, these new rappers are clones, and aren't even pretending to be different in anyway from one another.

[@dutdut2.091]

@@blueballedtech cringe

[@jamieslacks]

*Pop White Rappers, no way he means El-P or more of the underground like Uncommon Nasa or Jon Wayne

[@jamieslacks]

1:44 confirmed he meant “mainstream”

[@hoodiereviews6003]

Yeah, there aren’t too many popular white rappers I can think of off the top of my head who are both original and talented. Shawn mentioned Mac Miller and Eminem (pre-mid), who are both great examples. Others that come to mind are Action Bronson, Aesop Rock, and Lil Ugly Mane. I’m sure there’s more, but it’s sort of telling that those are the only ones I can think of.

[@smdatmypace]

Bladee

[@youkiimatsuri]

@@smdatmypace nah bro he dont even make rap anymore just mid

[@jaybee9155]

El-p

[@tiarnan2628]

Alfo media has q great video on a white guy that raps and white rappers you should check it out if you haven't

[@bruh7928]

@@tiarnan2628 it's not great it's racist even the comments agree.

[@tommym7321]

I understand the sentiment but Shawn doesn't really make much of a case here. His argument applies to all rappers, not just white rappers. If you want to be successful and stand out then you need to make something new and fresh and from the heart. There are tons of stupid and regurgitated projects coming out from black, white, latino, and all different ethnicities of rappers. This more just comes off as Shawn having a racial hangup and trying to rationalize it with something that should apply to everyone. Jack Harlow is definitely overhyped but that's also what happens when your demographic is mainly young white females on TikTok. Lots of other rappers are overhyped in the same way that aren't white.

[@serfboundspirit]

I think the issue is that you can’t make those distinctions with an art form like hip hop. It started as an outlet for disgruntled black youth. A white person coming into that art form needs to be some form of exceptional to justify his place within it, especially considering the heightened levels of success they garner from doing so. Eminem is an exception bc I do think he started off doing things that many black hip hop artist weren’t. I hate his music now and I only vibe with a select few of his old songs but he was unique. No one in the mainstream rapped about the things he did back then. Fair enough, but Jack Harlow makes music that lots of other black artists make and aren’t as popular *because he’s white and the broader white audience is ready to accept him with open arms.

[@tommym7321]

@@serfboundspirit I get what you're saying, but it's not Jack Harlows fault that his demographic likes him and the argument forms itself into gatekeeping. I understand why some black rappers might take exception to what Jack Harlow is doing, but what is the course of action after that? Is it to make an example out of Jack Harlow or complain about him? It just looks kind of petty when that happens (similar to the Tyler/DJ Khalid beef). I think acknowledging the history of hip-hop and it's tenets is separate from complaining about Jack Harlow instead of trying to put that effort into making more and better music.

[@jimmy8213]

@@serfboundspirit hey bro, NWA and Run DMC used Beasty Boys samples in their music. White rappers have been there since the beginning. Rap isn’t just for black people. It’s always been for white and black people. There’s a lot of white rappers doing new things even today and cornering certain markets by themselves. For Shawn Cee to act like they’re not legit kinda shows how racially motivated his views are. Even a little bit of digging and you can find so many white rappers who have contributed to “the culture” as much if not more than Eminem. I mean this shit is basically Shawn Cee trying to gatekeep rap and hip hop music without any legs to stand on simply because he’s bigoted and ignorant. Shit shouldn’t even be a debate either no cap

[@fpalillero7304]

fuck shawn cee but i agree with him most white rappers are corny

[@yungjoemighty879]

Rap is black music. White people have enough stuff

[@somegalicianguy8416]

The backgroud music was a really nice touch. Halfway through the video I checked the description to look for the song name and it was actually there. Thanks.

[@MusicHangout]

thanks!

[@chapter_black3234]

Atlus video games have the best music

[@what1356]

I disagree. I thought it was overwhelming and a bit too loud. Could do with lowering the volume.

[@MusicHangout]

@@what1356 oh okay, i thought about that when editing the video since i had to literally put the song's volume on 4% lmao but yea i guess i'll try to put it lower

[@tsumuriah2475]

That Catherine OST man. God it goes so hard

[@bubble.mp4]

It shocked me when I noticed it in the background. Video game OSTS are not my go to but I can’t deny that Catherine OST. It is extraordinarily good

[@bobnavonvictorsteyn9017]

this really reminded me of the new sadistik record, bring me back when the world is cured. i would absolutely recommend that album to anyone who wants to see a white rapper breaking the genre’s conventions and having a unique style

[@eternalblasphemy6526]

The one with Kino, right?

[@cakoafterdark]

really good album, with kno's amazing production. def. recommend it too

[@S3WER_DWELLER]

i feel like yung lean did a good job at making his own lane in rap and not just doing the same shit that was in the mainstream at the time

[@regeueees7395]

Yeat

[@johnramos8703]

Hung lean isn’t American though so its not exactly the same thing

[@retnugnahte]

he took simple american culture like arizona iced tea and made it thr forefront of his image. really smart marketing.

[@saber913]

jack harlow is more popular cause the way he acts is chill and has good looks (not a girl but I think he is handsome)

[@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx]

he doesn't act hard or try to be someone he's not (except i feel like he puts on a blaccent and that bothers me, but i guess other people disagree/aren't bothered), he doesn't blatantly copy eminem, and he's funny.

[@gregperez-greene7408]

(not a girl but i think he is handsome) 😂

[@Yaboii_Napz]

@@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx it’s not a blaccent, he has a Kentucky accent

[@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx]

@@Yaboii_Napz aren't Kentucky accents a bit more Texas red dead cowboy Kansas Dorothy vibes though? That's the type of thing I always imagined, I'm not American tho so 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@Mr.TYN2474]

Except this was the exact same thing big Sean was doing

[@giandeli]

Shout out to the Catherine OST. Thus Spoke Brooks is so damn good.

[@scarmoon9395]

it made me SO HAPPY

[@pri3m455]

Lmfao I noticed that too!

[@Asb20334]

Imo Harlow is kinda mid, but that doesn’t have anything to do with race..There have been good and bad white rappers, just like every other race. Also, comparing him to Big Sean is a good example, but Sean acts like Big Sean wasn’t huge. For a while, he was in the same conversation from a commercial standpoint as Drake, Kendrick, J. Cole, etc.

[@InnanetSlatt]

He was talking about the HATE Sean got not success. He was clowned on basically his whole career until Detroit 2 despite making meaningful and quality music(outside of some corny bars, especially in his older stuff). Harlow is making pretty mid music in the same lane as Sean with equally corny bars and is loved. He seriously has a bar where he says “Me and my friend just like twins // Same nutsack and the same dick head” and people love him. Also, Sean was never close to as successful as the people you mention just look at the sales, nor was he ever discussed as a top 5 rapper despite some people now(like Akademiks) realizing that Sean is a top tier lyricist.

[@joshuazeeman7553]

@@InnanetSlatt nah but the hate Sean got came from people that don't like Jack Harlow either. It's the oldheads in the black community criticizing Sean not the white teenage girls that make up both their fanbases. I think the oldheads don't go at white rappers as much because it's just kind of assumed they're corny. This doesn't mean that Big Sean was less successful with his demographic but that he got more pushback from his own community. Jack Harlow can't fix that

[@InnanetSlatt]

@@joshuazeeman7553 I agree that Jack Harlow doesn’t get as much hate as Big Sean because he’s white but then you had to blame the black community for no reason. Black people make fun of white rappers too who do you think makes fun of Eminem, MGK, Lil Xan, etc. the most. A good white rapper is just more loved than a good black rapper generally.

[@iman5147]

@@InnanetSlatt I don't think it's the "he's white" argument as to why he doesn't recieve as much hate. It plays a factor, but isn't really that big of a reason. He seems self aware of himself and his lyrics. He's not putting on any sort of facade and is just having fun with his music.

[@InnanetSlatt]

@@iman5147 Him being white definitely plays a large role. I was thinking about it yesterday and I think there are 3 main reasons why he's so loved. 1) He's white. He simply couldn't get away with the gay bars, sus jokes, and being associated with gay artists as much if he were black because there's a lot more homophobia in the black community and towards black people in general. 2) He's one of the only well-adjusted celebrities, especially male rappers, in a time where most celebrities seem very out of touch or narcissistic. He also has that "boy-next door" vibe. 2) Demographics. Harlow has a lot of women fans. Besides Ye, Carti, Youngboy, and a few others, a lot of male rappers don't really have crazy fanbases. But it seems like MOST female celebrities have stanbases, even ones that aren't even that famous or good. For example, Nicki, Megan, Billie Eilish, even Selena Gomez. Just think of any female celebrity and her fans probably *love* way more than a male celebrity's fans. I think predominantly female fanbases are more likely to have "stans" who will over praise them or harass people on social media for saying anything bad about them. Since Jack Harlow has a lot of female fans, he kind of gets the "stanbase" effect. For the record, I've been a fan of Jack Harlow for a minute so I'm not a hater. I was just curious why he's one of the most loved celebrities at the moment compared to other likable celebrities making better music.

[@NoName12907]

I want to put my take on this real quick, shawn isn't wrong that jack Harlow doesn't make anything thats completely original but in my opinion hes really good at what he dose witch is nice, chill, vide music, and the reason I think jack is going to be the exception to the white rapper come and go paradox is hes just been doing it longer then most, he was underground for years and has already built up a super strong fanbase like for example macklamore or g-eazy just didn't have, they did music for a wile then blew up they didn't have that fan base yet, but jack has an extremely strong foundation to stand on and I think hes here to stay

[@hegeliandianetik2009]

Macklemore had rapped for like 12 years before he became mainstream

[@1000peelboy]

I don’t get what he’s trying to say. White rappers don’t bring anything new to the rap genre ? There are lots of black rappers who also don’t bring anything new to the table so why are the white rappers being singled out here ?😭

[@astr0sauce]

cause he high key racist. he said “a white man shouldn’t be able to make this” when reacting to kenny beats. he’s fuckin weird.

[@1000peelboy]

@@astr0sauce also his argument is “why do white rappers who bring nothing new to the genre bring more attention then black rappers doing the same thing ?” Well obviously it’s because they’re not nearly as many white rappers as black rappers so it draws more attention based on that. It would be the same as a black man singing country music. It would naturally draw more attention then most white country artists making the same level or type of music because they’re aren’t many black country artists. This dude is a idiot lmao

[@KennyCarson123]

@@1000peelboy Upchurch, NF, Cal Scruby, Token, Chris Webby, Yelawolf, Rittz, Merkules, Madchild, Snak the Ripper, Witt Lowry, Caskey, Doobie, Vin Jay, Sik World, Cryptic Wisdom, Skitz Kraven, Mass of Man and Prof are great white rappers.

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

Lotta interesting points! Melon saying that white rappers being incapable of exploring a lot of deeper topics being what makes them so unimportant is a memorable take to me. To bring up Mac again, that's another reason why his music has such an impact: the topics he explored; addiction and depression; are both well-suited to hip hop and also things that you don't need to be black to have experience with, which is a rare combination.

[@tahkaimartin8050]

I agree that there were some sketchy takes however Shawn did say that there were Outliers. People always bring up Mac or Eminem but who else would you fit in there? The majority of white rappers don't add to the culture and that's his point. Maybe society doesn't give white rappers a chance tho on the other hand so it's definitely a nuanced discussion

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

@@tahkaimartin8050 Yeah I've got nothing against shawn and his takes here, I think he's a bright dude. I guess I'd say El-P is a good non-Mac Miller example of somebody who I think contributes well to the culture socially, mostly because he has Mike to play off of who's a pretty topically-focused guy. There's also the completely different topic of white rappers who aren't particularly conscious but I think still have solid musical artistry in their own right, like Aesop Rock and Lil Ugly Mane. Honestly I think this is the best way to go for aspiring white artists in the rap scene; just go ham with your personality and actually try to be unique, something I also think early Eminem did pretty well for his time.

[@allaboutthemurzic]

Being black wont automatically mean you have certain experiences

[@brandonyo5718]

Jacks lyrics are legitimately unique and are not some over said bullshit. Like most of these BLACK artists. They hop in the game rapping about lean and killing people like 90 percent of every other black artist yet he won’t point that garbage out. Shawn is a clown bruh. Listen to his past two albums he has some stuff that is familiar to the culture like the flexing part but a lot of the words are new to the game and the way he articulates it with the flow and tone is unique he has his own sound hilarious how Anthony just let this guy stomp on jack like he don’t smack these tracks. Shawn really has no eye for talent sadly.

[@da45r]

​@@allaboutthemurzic yes but being black will make you see the struggles of racial inequality in this social economic and political world.

[@YeahJumper94]

Epic melon with the Catherine OST background music

[@princecalypse9609]

Mac Miller most definitely the best of the “white rappers” in the recent age. Rest in power to the rap diablo

[@whocallinsimon5946]

marlon Craft is dope

[@ELI-vo9wp]

You acting like bladee doesn’t exist

[@princecalypse9609]

@@ELI-vo9wp dont know bout no blade

[@schaerioute]

@@princecalypse9609mac >

[@blossomingbeelzebub]

Love the Catherine music in the background 🔥

[@MusicHangout]

thanks! if you have any songs (preferably chilled game music) that you think would sound good in the background of interview clips, please tell me!

[@Khaliesahra]

@@MusicHangout you’re the editor? Good shit

[@giandeli]

@@MusicHangout Sticking with Atlus games: beneath the mask, Persona 5 OST.

[@vogs24]

Genuinely just curious of his reaction to white artists that have differentiated themselves artistically. While not in the mainstream, look at a guy like BONES who emphasized the gritty and heavy sound seen in a lot of underground rap today. He definitely has inspiration from other artists, but has taken those elements and added to made a unique sound for himself.

[@wbrady3955]

Ok bones fan

[@SuperAnge911]

@@wbrady3955 L Brady L Comment

[@TheDonkey666]

Bones isn't white

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

@@TheDonkey666 He's a lyrical miracle

[@The-Endo-SymArmor]

@@ThatGuy-ky2yf bones is good

[@maxsilbert]

Shawn has vastly overlooked the legend that is Limp Bizkit

[@jackiesimplejake]

Lol all I can hear is Anthony saying " how did we let Fred Durst get famous?"

[@maxsilbert]

@@jackiesimplejake haha

[@archiesutherland6127]

"Anthony Fantano On Why He Dislikes White Rappers" would have a funny reception. The more mainstream white rappers aren't amazing but could say the same thing about literally any race even tho every race has amazing artists.

[@lordabaddon8683]

Too anyone wondering, the background music is from the Catherine soundtrack

[@Alex-sh2nd]

Glad someone else knew as well. Based game.

[@MusicHangout]

dont worry, i made sure to put it in the description

[@dawsunn8033]

Bruh this racist as hell 😂

[@GanonDerp]

im glad someone has a brain

[@hunny___]

Reverse racism. Blacks are the REAL racists.

[@user-xo7go4rr7g]

Like it or not white people built rap to mainstream.

[@TheNadroj10]

I love how this is the racism you guys can’t stand. Just being told hip-hop was started as a black genre and how very few yt rappers come up with something new or different

[@MrCHI2cool]

How

[@mintvelvet3351]

It’s hard to respect shawn’s criticism when he lets his personal feelings towards the person’s gender/race is. You can criticize a female rapper for instance without having to berate her for being a woman.

[@yungjoemighty879]

Rap is black music. There are black women rappers. Your point is void

[@eminemfan50098]

@@yungjoemighty879 your point is literally useless and has no connection to the original comment.

[@zachedelic1293]

@@yungjoemighty879 You cant gatekeep a genre of music...

[@mister-pinkman]

@@yungjoemighty879 and white people can rap and be successful and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it

[@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx]

@@yungjoemighty879 ??? irrelevant. if a female rapper was bad you wouldn't go "man these woman rappers" (benefit of the doubt here). you would just say she's bad. people should do things on an individual to individual basis imo. there's no benefit to saying oh black people are this, white people are this etc etc.

[@Decrapitate]

Totally agree w/ Shawn Cee on this. Im curious what he thinks of Aesop, and El-p. It could probably go either way for them, a bit repetitive, but points could be made that they’ve done something to move things along

[@jacksampson5615]

he would definitely say that El-P is a great producer

[@DoctorRapper]

If you say I think this is exactly how an artist should create and behave you are putting them in a box. If a white rapper makes a great album, they make a great album and you’ll be able to recognize it no matter what the context

[@DrJellyFanguzzz]

Now I'm absolutely not the biggest fan of them, but ICP is everything Sean C is describing for a good contributing white rapper. And they've made an actual impact on rap as a whole. By his standards they're great

[@sunnydays405]

Such a hilariously myopic response to what Shawn is saying, obviously a prerequisite to being good is actually being able to rap well lmao

[@ergoth154]

@@sunnydays405 Rap well is subjective

[@AntonioJ.Official]

@@ergoth154 no... there pretty clear rubrics on rapping ability

[@cruzgomes5660]

@@AntonioJ.Official clear rubrics, but not everyones rubrics will be the same

[@jer1992]

@@sunnydays405 they built up a loyal ass fanbase from pretty much nothing. That's p dope in my book

[@TheTonyRedgrave]

Just noticed the background music 😂 is this from Catherine or Persona 5? Edit: Just read now it was Catherine. Great track for conversations. Loved this stream highlight btw 😊

[@gonzalo6890]

That Catherine song brings back memories. excellent interview

[@lanadelriki]

Shawn Cee reminds me of black people that live in the suburbs with rich parents yet try to act like they are oppressed

[@schaerioute]

the director of the black panther movie still got falsely arrested. they don’t care about how much money they have, they are still black.

[@da45r]

I'm sorry man but being a black rich person doesn't alleviate the struggles black people go though

[@saintpablo653]

White boy talking here dont mind it

[@jordanthompson8268]

@@da45r What exactly are these struggles?

[@samsca8529]

Ngl having money kinda does alleviate the struggles black people go through. The black experience of oppression in America is inherently tied up in class. Black people generally have shittier lives cause they’re poor. If the system was fully changed and poverty was crushed black people could legitimately see liberation

[@oscarfrankjrgensen2685]

El-P & Aesop Rock is da 🐐 no 🧢

[@retnugnahte]

no 🧢🧢🧢

[@Vikdeb25502]

RA Rugged man too.... also Mac Miller

[@popeye_thesailorman]

@@Vikdeb25502 yes

[@jjsmith1701]

I’m sure “Anthony Fantano’s” fanbase will take this take well

[@CypressDahlia]

You mean Cal Chuchesta's fanbase

[@danielharold6690]

Anthony’s opinions are usually dodgy at best. But this Shawn Cee guy is chatting shit on another level 😂

[@ileutur6863]

Nobody with half a brain will take this well

[@gumbo4858]

OK Shawn, you’re saying people like Yung Lean, Bladee, suicideboys, Bones, etc. Haven’t been influential or brought anything new to the table? Sounds pretty ignorant to me.

[@Fjdirjejrjrrjdj]

no he didnt

[@hmlone]

They didn’t

[@keaganmcallister4681]

Those artists are directly influenced by three six mafia and old 90 Memphis hip hop who were black artists....not discrediting their music but the influence from previous music done by black artists before is slightly obvious

[@gumbo4858]

Have you not listened to people like Travis Scott, ASAP Rocky, Playboi Carti, Charli xcx? Like they’re all mainstream artists that been influenced by people that I’ve listed off

[@gumbo4858]

@@keaganmcallister4681 Literally every artist is influenced by someone behind them, they’ve taken influence from Memphis rap and built onto it with their own styles

[@benardman2665]

El-p is one of the only "white rappers" Most of us dont even think about his race before him as a rapper

[@13tuyuti]

But El P has been much more innovative as a producer than as a rapper.

[@benardman2665]

@@13tuyuti and?

[@13tuyuti]

@@benardman2665 that's what the dude in the video says: white people have been innovative as producers, not so much as rappers.

[@dariengarcia6439]

@@13tuyuti thats a testament to how awesome he is as a rapper and producer

[@JMDillehay]

I love watching you guys talk hip hop.

[@reecelaroche]

(White guys opinion, take it or leave it) I think as long as white rappers are able to read the room and understand that hip hop is not a genre for them to decide it’s direction and are willing to contribute to it in a positive manner, I don’t see anything wrong with that. The reason why people go crazy for Harlow is because he’s one of the few white rappers that come across as wanting to contribute and not profit. His looks, performances and personality also help.

[@canteven772]

also i think he kinda stays in his own lane. take it or leave it kinda attitude as well. im not even a fan but he did find his niche. which one can appreciate.

[@zazapachuliaisbetterthanjo6254]

Idk why white rappers shouldn't be able to define hip-hop in a certain way or attempt to take charge. Like music is a canvas, do what you want. There are plenty of white genre defining hip-hop artists. Like I don't even think G-Eazy or Macklemore ever tried doing that they just sucked and were boring af.

[@xof_fgc1521]

Digging the background music from Catherine

[@cgavs4303]

I like the background music👍

[@Mr-Opium]

Bro was sounding a little salty that a white guy was up and other niggas ain’t😂 look dawg there’s plenty of black rappers who don’t add anything to the game but still pull numbers. He’s a personality that sounds good and looks good. That’s why niggas like drake started popping. He got all the girls on his side and really thrives from it. There’s no reason for them to go spit crazy when singing and pop rap is what pulls numbers

[@Koopattack]

YOOO MELON I SEE YOU WITH THE CATHERINE OST!! CLASSIC SOUNDTRACK.

[@TheManmoths]

Agreed but Mac and Slowthai definitely have their own styles and have pushed things, even if you’re not a fan of them

[@JoePesciBallsack]

Slowthai is mixed race (Bajan/Baradian)

[@YoungPhenix]

If there were any white rappers that have either contributed to the culture in positive ways or etched out their own lanes it's Em, El-P, Aesop Rock, and Mac are the big four that come to mind. Oh and Prof! But Shawn and Anthony do bring up great points that it's HARD for them to create deep and meaningful songs that connect due to hip hop being about struggling and overcoming in a white man's world. So more often than not white rappers have that against them. But the ones I mentioned rap about their demons and struggles and concepts that are indeed universal and authentic. And I think it's that authenticity that people are so drawn to Jack Harlow. To go back to the Big Sean comparison Big Sean didn't start coming off as real until very recently. He had to grow into that and out of the shadow of Drake and Kendrick. People could feel that. Harlow came in the game with this very chill confident vibe. He seems down to collab with anyone as example with Lil Nas X and extremely flamboyant gay black male artist. I hope Jack continues to find success and can join the ranks of Em and Mac Miller. His appreciation of the culture as a white man is more earnest than from anyone I've seen in a long time.

[@David-ii2op]

I don't completely agree with his take, definitely see some of his points though. I think his popularity with white audiences is due to the fact that white audiences find it easier to accept and fandom white rappers for well... Obvious reasons like conscious/unconscious racism but also a little because they can identify with him. think black audiences find him appealing because he's something rare, a white rapper that isn't an Eminem clone, that can actually rap decently, and seems respectful of the culture. It also of course massively helps that he's charismatic and attractive. Also jesus christ the amount fragile whites in the comments Lol

[@MrShaiya96]

you mean conscious or unconscious preference**

[@hullstar242]

@@MrShaiya96 no, he means racism. The thing that kickstarted America as we know it and has bled through everything that has ever come out of it.

[@allaboutthemurzic]

Tf is a fragile white

[@chrisjohnson16]

lol criticize black people for something stupid and then look at that comment section... we both know 500% worse

[@mjl11]

idk but with my white friends travis seems to be the most popular. so the white prefers white might be true in some cases but shouldnt be a stereotype. also i feel like jack has actually some talent and his tunes are pretty catchy like Whats poppin or First class, everybody likes those refrains.

[@rishabayy]

2022 and we doing this 😂

[@ZZZZZZDDDDADA]

Why tf is the catherine ost in the background

[@thefirely1439]

I'm just ready to get to a point in society where we don't look at everything through a racial perspective. I'm not saying forget culture but everyone needs to just forget about skin color.

[@cobaina9506]

exactly, we are all just humans. most conversations like this wouldnt even be happening if instead of "white people" or "black people" we just looked at everyone as "people"

[@David-ii2op]

I'm also excited for that. Sadly we live in a racist unequal society and ignoring race does nothing to fix that.

[@cstristan]

To be fair. Neither of these people are even in the "rap culture". If they're going strictly off of race & attitude - both of these people would be categorized as "white rappers".

[@Funfun6000]

Maybe you got a point but it’s literally impossible to have a genuine convo about hip hop without adding race into it.

[@akthehometownhero]

He’s talking about culture, not skin color

[@Finkster5]

As a white rapper myself, this was interesting to hear. I think you have to be willing to hear black opinions on it if you do what I do. I also think what fantano said about having respect for the genre and where it came from is very important, as well as just having some humility/perspective about it. Otherwise it's like you're coming into a house that someone else built and lives in and being like "aw hell yeah, I bet I could give this a new paint job and charge people admission to come see it!" When I started writing lyrics I was very corny, taking the "oh man I'm WHITE and I'm NERDY bet you never saw that in rap before!!!" route, and now I realize how dumb it was. (At least now) there's tons of white rappers and nerdy rappers (who are not necessarily white btw), so the question is how do I set myself apart? What do I bring to the table that other people haven't? I also wasn't really being myself by emphasizing the nerd thing. And I think that really good rap music comes from a genuine place. But I don't see myself like that anymore, and I'm not sure I did at the time either, so it doesn't do yourself any favors to make yourself a cliche. It's way harder to find the unique/personal/intimate parts of yourself and make art with that than it is to just point out the obvious and pigeonhole your complexities.

[@jer1992]

As another white rapper myself: Ligma ballz

[@vinny5638]

I love the “white rappers just pick an existing style and run with it” argument when 95% of black rappers fit into like 3 different stereotypes you either a trap mumbler, a lyrical backpacker or a rap comedian yet this goofy in a hoodie say it’s white people who bite styles 🤣🤣

[@greysonG10]

No, you don't have to listen to black people's racist opinions. Just do what you do, and have fun. People like this Shawn guy are what we call "haters" who can't accept the fact that white people can also make it big in a predominantly black music genre. But it's not 1990 anymore, there's plenty of black people who have taken up rock, pop etc.. which were all created by whites, yet nobody is throwing a hissy fit. And if they do, they'd be labeled as racists. This guy is just envious of that Jack kid. Nothing else to it, don't bother listening to their BS. Because odds are, they don't like you based on your skin tone regardless of whether or not you try to hear them out.

[@MrLukabot]

@@greysonG10 rock wasn't made by whites..

[@7StringBlazer]

​@@greysonG10 I agree with the 'do what you do' bit, but rock was created by black people just the same as rap. Its a process almost as old as America itself. Black-created music of the era (whatever era that may be) gets popular but not palatable for the typical suburban white kid to listen to, either cause they can't relate to the subject material, familial influences (i.e., "I don't want my kid listening to 'that type' of music), or refusal of the powers that can commercialize it to really market a black artist. Rock is sort of an offspring to what R&B was originally and there were *multiple* black artists out there doing that sound well before Elvis and The Beatles got around to it but they got no attention because of course they didn't, race relations were even more poor than we think they are now and they were open and in-your-face about it. The animosity towards white artists doing predominantly black music isn't because of the artists themselves most times, its because of the labels/companies that do what they always have, which is market the artists that fit most with the 'image' they'd like to push.

[@RoarTheRapper]

You know, upon listening to this again, I absolutely see what these guys are talking about and I agree with them.

[@Ineffable_Thought]

If you have a minute listen to Deca, he's easily one of the best lyricists I've ever heard. "Wendigo" , "The Way Through" , "Gabriel Ratchet" , "First Light" or really any song from any of his albums. More people to hear this dude's music because it's some next level stuff.

[@davidnoonan1292]

"Anthony Fantano On Why He Hates Black Rappers"

[@comfykeegs]

Individuality is front and center for being a name in hip hop. There isn’t another Jack Harlow out there as a persona

[@Von803]

lol

[@scrums4748]

cant believe they got the Catherine theme in the background, absolutely cultured

[@JoeMama-tl4tr]

Love the Cathrine background music

[@blahblahblah9267]

Mac Miller, El-P, Aesop Rock, Action Bronson, and Your Old Droog are all excellent hip hop artists.

[@liamneeson1368]

Brother Ali

[@tedthecommenter5364]

Lil ugly mane is fantastic, real name Travis Miller, he goes by multiple different aliases

[@frankocean4941]

Eminem

[@Studywithvaibhav28]

NF has different style than most of the white rappers or rappers period. Harlow is just different , his songs just makes your head move with music. Nothing special but enough to make us vibe with his songs

[@newvideoclipsdaily5320]

Yeats better than all of them

[@Alex-sh2nd]

Catherine OST in the background.

[@MOMO_dakING]

What's the instrumental playing in the background??? ...it's sounds familiar

[@Neofilmcritic]

God this is such a pretentious conversation

[@gumbo4858]

Shawn Cee is the most pretentious KZbinr I can possibly think of, I have always thought he is a massive clown.

[@something6167]

@@gumbo4858 Same. My god he really thinks he's the shit. Wish he could just shut up for one second.

[@maxineespinoza7022]

White rappers are pretentious

[@jas_bataille]

Yep, I can't fucking take it, and I usually love Fantano.

[@aladin7736]

I'm pretty sure the main reason why people think jack harlow is more likeable than big sean it's obiously because he's fun and uses social media way better than most rappers anyway. You can say the same about someone like post malone. I think still arguing that white rappers dont bring anything of interest in rap is not true. In the mainstream? maybe but as a whole definitely not the case

[@canteven772]

exaclty. plus he obviously caters to gen z or very young malenials. cuz he is exactly in that range as an older gen z. he knows the internet culture cuz we grew up in it so he knows how to work it. also gen z def spends way more time online which provides the streams, global support, and relevancy. just bigger and more active target group as a whole. one is 23 and the other is 34.

[@yungjoemighty879]

Saying things like “fun” and “uses social media way better” are code for ‘in a way white consumers like’ when you’re discussing black music

[@aladin7736]

@@yungjoemighty879 nah he's just a funny guy. That's undeniable.

[@goldenage1000]

I completely agree, I think Shawn's main white rappers he has a problem with are people like Macklemore, MGK, Post Malone, G-eazy, Iggy azalea etc. the thing with those rappers is that they either faded away after 2 or 3 hits or went into a different musical direction, so I don't really get him being offended by them getting more attention when all it amounts to is their 15 minutes of fame and the only impact they have are people who don't even listen to hip hop that much knowing a hit or two from them, they probably don't even support them anyway. The reason Harlow got more attention is kinda the same reason why Lil Nas X got popular, because of memes and humor. On a technical level Harlow is comparable to Big Sean and Tyga but neither of them built a career off being memes, sus humor, not taking themselves to seriously intentionally like how Harlow and Lil Nas X did.

[@TheSvmurai]

I can only imagine why the chat is blurred...

[@cakoafterdark]

i highly suggest everyone to listen to Death is silent by Kno. One of my favorite albums ever in terms of production and message. Kno is a white rapper and producer who is really underground for the longest. an absolute beast of an album

[@JBERTWORLD]

Action Bronson is the example white rapper

[@Mooksz]

i kinda have to agree i love peoople like yung lean who are still innovating, but when he first started his stuff sounded reminds me llike triple six mafia

[@mrmills0914]

That Catherine/ persona bachelor background music 🎶

[@sleepytoaster5136]

Shiit i feel that though as a white dude whose 28 i lived my whole life through hip hop and now even tho i been wearin nb for years before i knew jack harlow existed i gotta feel weird wearin them shits like it hasnt existed since wayyyyy before

[@ryanfleming1040]

the hip-hop scene in america****

[@supersonic118boi8]

El-p and Aesop Rock dope tho

[@dajuiceman8870]

Catherine music in the background ayy

[@Urmashouldvswallowed]

I think the reason the main stream laches on to these mediocre white rappers is because there isn’t many white rappers that are regarded as the best an so when a new rapper comes along that shows potential they get overhyped because what if “they’re the one” ygm

[@njandrews4105]

I tend to not like the vast majority of new rappers no matter their skin tone

[@OoMzHowTosandMore]

i agree with everything shawn says: except the fact that he argues about race being a definite factor. this can be argued with black rappers in mind as well.

[@user-gm1mt2ie3h]

well his main argument when it comes to the race component is that black rappers are more varied. Whereas the majority of white rappers stick to the same roots. yea sure you we have a black versions of jack harlow but we don’t really have a white version of kendrick other than maybe mac miller. Many white rappers stray away from substantive material.

[@thatoneguy978]

Only argument I can see is the SoundCloud rappers trying to be rockstars and people like Trippie redd doing basic rock songs and seeing a lot of success because it’s trippie redd doing it

[@key81885]

@@user-gm1mt2ie3h put it perfectly

[@FirstnameLastname-nd9wx]

@@user-gm1mt2ie3h theres a few reasons for this though. white people are a minority in rap so there will be less variation. also we're mainly talking about american rappers here. america is pretty segregated, from what i understand most white americans are from suburbs and suburbs are mostly white. so in general, white people are consuming rap from a different perspective. they're listening more as outsiders than someone growing up in the same environment as a lot of rappers. and will have different life experiences as well. i don't like generalising but if i had to i'd say suburban rappers are generally worse, instead of white. ig those are closely correlated though.

[@oo-sb7sf]

there are way more corny white rappers than black rappers...

[@SharkTooth05]

100% knew he'd mention mac in a good way before clicking on this vid

[@emmanuel956]

The Big Sean comparison is very accurate

[@eminemfan50098]

Its really sad to see hip hop critics, artists and fans be so critical of an artist just because they might be white. Every point Shawn makes could be made about black, Hispanic, Asian or fucking martian rappers. People like to say "oh they all steal styles and rip off others and sound the same" boy... do we not remember all of the SoundCloud era? J Cole, as much as I love him did the same thing, take a style and make it his own. I dont know if I might be missing the point here, but it really seems like he singles out "white" rappers for the same thing 70% of all other rappers do.

[@zachedelic1293]

they act like the BeastieBoys werent a thing and how many black artists have sampled their music

[@jimmy8213]

@@zachedelic1293 including NWA and Run DMC, just to name two 😂

[@kieranarmstrongproductions4743]

@@zachedelic1293 where do you think they got their style from?

[@zachedelic1293]

@@kieranarmstrongproductions4743 pro-wrestling.

[@aikendrum3228]

I think the point is that all sorts of people are putting out mid art. But, not all sorts of people blow up as a result of that mid art like Jack Harlow has. and that speaks to systemic racial injustices in broader society. It's not a personal flaw of Jack Harlow's. It's that the circumstances around his success evince a painful truth.

[@influ_xis]

Jack Harlow makes music that appeals to the middle class in a rapper style

[@ifyouknowmeyoudont7524]

love the catherine ost in this

[@kana7715]

idk why this is such a big discussion, i don't think jack harlow wants to be groundbreaking or anything, he's just doing music he likes and having fun, it's just a guy having fun for god's sake not every artist needs to be freaking mf doom 2.0, what if he's mid? 70% of the artists out there are mid these days who cares

[@pxppetrot]

Ngl good point

[@Gabriel-un5sn]

yeah if your an african american this point is great

[@TajCove]

jack said no one else in his generation could f with him. so i disagree.

[@BlkStar99]

I think it's a big discussion on account of the amount of praise and attention Jack receives for being average. A lot of black artists make music they like and don't get acknowledged the same as Jack when they're putting out music that's relatively the same level.

[@StonedCrackerofHell]

It's not about the artist, it's about the music. The topic was about music that makes an impact and when it comes to white rappers, Shawn Cee believe they're just trash at that. He compliments Mac Miller and he's fine with people who just wanna vibe to that music. Plus, I'm sure there are artist who aren't trying to be groundbreaking but unintentionally ended up being groundbreaking. Basically, he's just saying that the white rapper music is 'meh' at best. There's just no depth to it.

[@judahtheodor]

Mac Miller, El-P, Action Bronson and pre 2015 Eminem are my exceptions

[@boxtrollz7003]

exactly the same for me

[@shigful]

ye em def pre 2015 tho, i have no fuckin idea what em is going for since revival

[@jaroslavpohoral1897]

*Mac Miller, El-P, Action Bronson and Eminem are my exceptions

[@mitchiegotmovesy7635]

@@jaroslavpohoral1897 nah pre 2015 is important to say. Em had some rough albums after that

[@bearfootsoldiervideo]

Evidence from dilated peoples too

[@adth1328]

ngl with the background music, This sht sounded like the 2pac interview at the end of TPAB.

[@MusicHangout]

lmao

[@makesomething4093]

Love the ‘Catherine’ bar music

[@v3ctam495]

Brother Ali is white and has done great things for the community and knows how to protect the genre