ISA vs SIPP - Did you Choose The Right One?

[@7jro]

You cannot use carry forward in your example. To be eligible for tax reliefs and staying within your annual allowance you can contribute up to the maximum of your relevant income in your example (as £35,000 is lower than the annual allowance of £60,000). E.g if you earned £100,000 you use carry forward as you could put £60,000 in this year and £40,000 in 20/21 (as long as no contributions had been made this year or in 20/21 and had been registered eith a pension scheme at that point). But if you only earn £35,000 carry forward for the £100,000 couldn't be used as the maximum contribution would be limited to your earnings of £35,000. Above this amount would be liable to a tax charge.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thank you for the comment, you are totally correct and my example is not a good one that I was trying to use here. I'll pin this for other people. As usual it highlights a key thing, firstly how complex these things can get, and secondly, just how important it is for us all to help each other out.

[@adrianl5899]

​@@TobyNewbattThank you for pinning this for the viewers.

[@TobyNewbatt]

and thank you for your input in the community as well it's appreciated both of you.@@adrianl5899

[@chriscarr1301]

I would be really interested to learn more about SIPPS

[@TobyNewbatt]

Cheers Chris!

[@sethanith3181]

I’ll second this, a decent SIPP video including how you transferred smaller pensions and what the values worked out to be would be really helpful.

[@timg1246]

As someone who is now in receipt of their company pension, I can definitely say I did not know enough about pensions when I was still contributing. Getting information out on pensions can't be done enough. It is difficult to say if I would have done things differently precisely because I never knew what the rules were at the time. ISAs were easy to understand, so I went for them mostly.

[@MI-ci5hg]

Me too Toby ya filthy animal 😂 ps thanks for all the vids ❤

[@foyzo3673]

Me too!

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[@digiclips3754]

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[@abdul-t6h9l]

yes my recommendation is shove it where the dun dont shine

[@MrTheiphone]

Just a brilliant clip, simple , with explanations and examples, thank you Toby

[@TobyNewbatt]

You’re very welcome and thank you!!

[@joec5382]

I like thinking about SIPPs as your spaceship and the ISA as the rocket before you get into orbit. Your ISA can bridge the gap between an early retirement age when you can't access your SIPP yet. I use both, but front loaded the SIPP for this reason. It's a no brainer when you get more money up front with the SIPP and therefore more money longer in the market

[@Abdul_Rahman86]

I agree, 20% more money locked for a longer period off time to let that compound interest take effect.

[@nauxsi]

@@Abdul_Rahman86 If there was no 20% relief how would pensions look compared to Isa?

[@kinggeoffrey3801]

To be fair this is a great analogy.

[@dontuno]

The distinct advantage for the elders amongst us is that ISA's are part of your estate, whereas SIPP's are not. This is something that too many people do not realise let alone factor into their wealth growth.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Indeed! great point to highlight

[@Riaan3108]

Advantage or disadvantage - considering potential inheritance tax?

[@dontuno]

@@Riaan3108 I could have been clearer, disadvantage of the ISA when it comes to inheritance tax. Advantage of SIPP, it simply doesn't figure as part of your estate.

[@NS-pt9rr]

​@@dontunoHI, just to be clear are you saying that all the isa total us added to your wealth & would be liable to inheritance tax & SIPP is not ? My understanding is that on death the SIPP/PENSION is lost. Please share your knowledge on this important point. I don't invest in pension or sipp, I stuck to making out my isa allowance just so that if I need the money today, I can cash in tax free but with sipp/pensions I'm trapped till retirement

[@wl660]

@@NS-pt9rr When you add all your Assets up to see if IHT is due on death… SIPP is NOT included. Your property, ISA values ARE included. The SIPP investments would just be passed to your Family, who would pay income tax as they draw it down / cash it in…so it depends on your dependents Tax Rate as to how much Tax is paid.

[@eunicef1]

Great video as always, Toby. I would love to see some more content about SIPPS.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Seems a no brainer now

[@UKGeezer]

Might be worth noting that if you are on PAYE and pay into your pension through salary sacrifice, neither you or your pension provider needs to claim any tax back - no matter what your tax bracket is, because your pension contributions effectively reduces the amount of taxable salary (hence the term salary sacrifice). Therefore, you actually pay less tax and NI contributions on your net pay.

[@TobyNewbatt]

absolutely mate! and always worth maximising a workplace pension first where you can with employer match before you even think about ISAs/SIPPS.

[@Gump1Gump2]

Great video Toby! SIPPs are always a tricky one to fully understand! Always learn something new watching videos like these.

[@TobyNewbatt]

cheers buddy, still so many more details it's hard to wrap your head around everything!

[@tullycottage367]

Great videos Toby. Between you,James and Damien I’ve learnt a lot in the last year and totally transformed my poorly performing workplace SIPP. If you do a vid on SIPPs it would be worth pointing out the salary sacrifice way of paying in and how to claim the additional tax relief for higher earners as I believe employers only allow for the 20%. Thanks

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thanks! And yes I think a detailed video is worth doing

[@tullycottage367]

@@TobyNewbatt as an afterthought, my workplace SIPP doesn't allow me to invest in ETFs, without engaging a financial advisor.. So I've had to use mutual index funds. Might be worth pointing out options similar to VWRP and VUAG etc. Thanks again.

[@bellamoon8341]

I second the video on salary sacrifice SIPPs! Please 🙌🏼

[@vivygal]

With salary sacrifice, you do not need to claim any money back irrespective of what your tax bracket is because it is taken before you’re taxed. You only need to claim back money for higher and additional rate tax payers when the additional contribution (either from your employer or yourself) is taken after tax.

[@continuouslearner]

sorry who are james and damien please. i mean can you provide links to their youtube channels? i am learning how to invest. Thanks.

[@NoNonsenseJohnson]

Labour government are coming to raid pension allowances so I’m not willing to bank on any 25% tax free portion of my pension being available at retirement age. If the tax free lump sum is removed the ISA would be much more competitive with no tax concerns.

[@shanksy9219]

Great video, would love a SIPP specific video! I'm 31 and have been really fortunate to of had a great year at work ( around 150k ) - I've maxed out my ISA and have been investing in a standard account / buying premium bonds but it sounds like a SIPP would be another really beneficial option for a small %

[@TobyNewbatt]

yes exactly, it's something I wish I had even known about years ago when I was in a similar situation! Also don't forget to claim back any pension contributions as an additional rate taxpayer through your self assessment!

[@rockallmusic]

What industry do you work in and do you have any advice for somebody looking to approach £100k income? (based in London)

[@Abdul_Rahman86]

I only invest in a SIPP. I find psychologically it’s motivating seeing that instant 20%. Also knowing it’s locked away lets me set and forget. On top of that I put my son as beneficiary should something happen to me. It’s very easy to set and forget for 24 years when the money is out of sight and mind and not accessible

[@nickd1973]

There’s an advantage to doing a mix of stocks and shares ISA and SIPP when it comes to retirement if you are doing drawdowns. If you live off a mix of ISA and SIPP withdrawals then you may end up paying less income tax each year of retirement as withdrawals from the SIPP that are greater than your annual personal allowance will be taxed but your ISA withdrawals are not.

[@benpotticary8060]

Set and forget 👀

[@stefanbeattie3523]

Really good video, My father helped he into a Vanguard SIPP. I was clueless really. I just did as I was advised. However knowing I can also have an ISA too now, stocks and shares means I can invest with the knowledge of been able to pull early if another investment comes along aka a property. many thanks great explanation.

[@mixerman8]

Depends on personal circumstances so many variables, age when starting investing is a big one, any rental properties held directly in your name, work pension or self employed, salary sacrifice availability. The desired age to retire or semi retire. Also factor in the state pension amount, pension draw down/annuity amount or combination of both, rental income etc all combined and think of tax efficiency for yourself in the future. For me for having a couple of rentals personal owned its s/s ISA all the way esp since section 24 was introduced alongside the government scrapping the IR35 benefit for free lance workers the less tax they get off me the better. Only reason im additional paying into a pension is im heavily salary sacrificing so I never pay 1p in the 40% tax bracket. The flexibility of an ISA for me is the clear winner.

[@StillnessInMotionOffical]

Thanks

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thank you!

[@nicholarichards4803]

Great informative video. Thanks Toby

[@superslip103]

Yes please more on SIPPS

[@wl660]

But you can access an ISA whenever you want through your life. Massive advantage. SIPP makes sense as you approach your mid 50’s, when you might be on your biggest salary. So you can reduce your tax liability at the same time.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Both definitely have a place but you are right, as I said in the video the access and flexibility of the ISA is very useful if something comes up that you need it for :)

[@uncountableuk]

If you only open a SIPP in your mid 50s you are missing out on decades of tax relief on contributions, especially if you are a higher rate taxpayer

[@wl660]

@@uncountableuk I accept your point. I already have DB & DC pensions - so SIPP only became really useful once I crossed the £100k salary. I got a large tax bill - won’t be happening next year. As I am 55 - dumping thousands into SIPP is fine - as I can get to it all on Retirement if I want.

[@wl660]

@@uncountableuk A point not raised but relevant to some. SIPPS are outside of IHT. ISA’s are not. I believe

[@raymccrae]

One of the other big benefits of SIPPs is that even on the taxable withdrawal, you still have your personal allowance (currently £12,570). So assuming you don't take the money as a lump sum, then you can have the 25% tax free and the personal allowance before you start getting taxed on the remaining withdrawal.

[@uncountableuk]

Yes this is what I do. Applies between ages 55-67 until state pension kicks in (which more or less eats up the allowance) This will be 57-67 in 2028

[@pistopitpit]

Yes, but only for those who are not receiving state pension yet, which in most cases will account for using all tax free allowance. You still get to keep 25% tax free though.

[@pistopitpit]

@@uncountableukare you able to gradually withdraw your 25% lump sum, assuming you did not withdraw it all at once? Would you use UFPLS for that?

[@raymccrae]

​@@pistopitpit Good point that the state pension will eat up most of the personal allowance. Let's hope the state pension remains a universal benefit for those of us that paid into the system, and not a means tested benefit.

[@timg1246]

​@pistopitpit If you withdraw a sum using UFPLS you automatically get 25% tax free. So, if you are in a position where this would be your only income during the year, you can take £16,760 out and not pay any tax. £12,570 under the personal allowance, so no tax. £4190 Additional tax free. My understanding is that if you take an UFPLS it has to include the tax free element otherwise it becomes un-managable.

[@kristianpoultney7624]

I always love watching your videos with the easy explanation with humble figures and not some crazy multi million pound investment idea

[@IN123]

Feel like you missed an important comparison here - if you made those same £200 contributions to a S&S LISA for 30 years, you'd end up with an additional ~£32k in tax free savings to draw on, totalling roughly £128k and beating the SIPP by a long way after tax is accounted for. Obviously this is limited to £4k of contributions a year but your example is just over half that at £2.4k. Once an individual moves into a higher-rate tax bracket though the trade-off does get more complex - for example contributing into the SIPP to reduce your income below the 40% threshold and then putting what is left of the £2.4k contribution into a LISA would probably be most efficient here.

[@vivygal]

I agree. Although should be noted that the salary sacrifice route to lower your tax for higher rate tax payers might also affect borrowing e.g. how much you can get on your mortgage.

[@poppyrussell5630]

I too agree and feel the LISA for retirement isn't discussed enough for basic rate taxpayers. The only issue is that the employers match in a workplace pension should be maxed out first because that's obviously free money. But here we're talking about a SIPP so I'm assuming there's no employers match. It's perfect for self employed basic taxpayers. I put a little bit monthly into my son's JSIPP, but when he turns 18 I'll switch those contributions into a S&S LISA for him for exactly those reasons you described. I wish I wasn't too old for a LISA!

[@ShaneWright-q4y]

Hi, thanks for the comments, how and where can I find a decent s&s LISA? Thanks

[@IN123]

@ShaneWright-q4y I use AJ Bell for mine and haven't had any issues, but there are quite a few other providers out there too. Trading212 (who I use for my S&S ISA) said they will be releasing a LISA this year too so will switch to them for that when it comes out.

[@chris021able]

I like covering all bases and invest in a SIPP, LISA & ISA monthly. 20% of my salary as a priority goes into SIPP/ employee pension. The rest into ISA, LISA & cash. I like that the money in the ISA isn’t locked away in case I need it in my 40’s and 50’s. If I was a higher rate tax payer I would invest much more in a SIPP and less in the ISA.

[@bluebrakes]

A video going into more details about SIPPs would be great

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thank you, lots of interest so far

[@leaperrins8373]

Due to some severe health problems, I've found my self on UK benefits, hopefully, just for a couple more years. One thing to note, in case someone ever finds themselves in this position, is that a SIPP doesn't count as savings, but an ISA does. You will lose all entitlement to any means tested benefits over 16,000 in savings, and benefits will be reduced by 4.35 for every 250.00 saved, over 6,000. Hopefully that won't be the case for anyone reading this. I had hoped I'd never find myself here either, but we never know!

[@NoNonsenseJohnson]

Very valid and correct point.

[@uncountableuk]

You could still panic and sell everything in a SIPP, since most platforms allow you to have a cash account inside the wrapper. You can't withdraw it of course before 55. Not that I would ever recommend panicking and selling ....

[@gav2302]

I think the LISA has to come into play if you're comparing SIPP's and ISA's driven towards retirement as you'll get the 25% bonus as well which is tax free to withdraw when you reach 60. The answer to this dilemma is probably a mix of both though. I pay into a DB pension via work and am encouraging my partner to move a couple of her old work pensions into a SIPP to have closer control over them and make sure they're growing rather than letting them do less in whatever default fund they're in. I'll be looking into my own SIPP once our finances allow more flexibility to do so, particularly when I reach 50 and can no longer pay into my LISA to make sure I'm taking advantage of any bonus that can be had

[@waleedalmilli3310]

Yes please - a more in depth SIPP video would be much appreciated.

[@barrywhite5899]

I max my isa out at the start of April tax year and then load up my SIPP every month. The SIPP is outside the Inheritance trap so will be passed on. I also have SIPPS for my children which is started for them when they were 2 and 3 years old over 13 years ago.

[@adrianl5899]

That's wonderful. It's hard to imagine our children being pensioners but what a difference to their entire lives you'll have made by making those contributions.

[@darwingracias4767]

I would definitely a more in depth SIPP video. There are lots of videos online for ISA, but not enough quality information on SIPP. You can maybe talk on how to contribute in ISA and SIPP monthly - their contribution ratio etc.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thank you I will be looking into this. it's a very complex topic though so I need to do it right!

[@darwingracias4767]

@@TobyNewbatt We can all wait for quality videos. Appreciate your effort into the videos. Have a pleasant day.

[@SINGFIN1964]

Thank you , Toby. I am in the process of consolidating my SIPP. I am going to look into bringing my NEST and Aviva , together into Vanguard. i already have an ISA Vanguard . you are right. It might be a good idea to do this , now. I am 60 and not planning to stop working till 70. i don't mind that/ Thank you.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Good luck hope it all goes smoothly! Nobody knows the future but you'll be saving a lot of fees!

[@mattsennett]

Well explained Toby and a video all about a SIPP would be great 👍🏻

[@jonathanholmes7922]

As always perfectly explained 👍

[@TaiwoOmotosho-m9v]

Thanks for the tutorials

[@dar4171]

Great Video topic Toby, always learning important information from you selected KZbin financial guys.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@pankajthakrar1679]

Really helpful video , thank you 👍🏼

[@Guitarmfig]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the 40% inheritance tax on the ISA if you happen to die, I just recently learned this from the MeaningfulMoney youtube channel, I do like your videos, thank you

[@poppyrussell5630]

Though you can pass your ISAs on to your spouse tax free, as with the rest of your estate. And now pensions are also counted for inheritance tax. All assuming your total estate is over the threshold, which most people's are not (£500k for a single person & 1 million for a couple, applicable on the second partner's death)

[@WaLeEd007]

Thanks! A video on order of investing to optimise tax effectively/maximise gains would be great. For example comparing ISA, to LISA to SIPP to GIA and how a basic & higher tax rate payer should prioritise these

[@mattgoodwin-king2228]

Excellent info, well presented 👍

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thanks! 👍

[@ardeshirpashmi]

Great informative video as always. I was wondering if you could do a more detailed video on SIPP? Many thanks

[@TobyNewbatt]

Yes I do need to do this soon!

[@robertsoso7093]

Thank you Toby for creating another one great vid

[@TobyNewbatt]

My pleasure!

[@DSonBlue]

Fantastic video Tobemeister General! 👏🏻

[@TobyNewbatt]

Aye aye sir

[@josephlck]

I think what this doesn't address is the lifetime isa probably trumps the SIPP. You get 25% back (or a 20% tax refund) but it remains tax free. The other thing is how the SIPP interacts with the lifetime pension allowance?

[@dubsdolby9437]

The way i am implementing this is income from isa investments in dividends 33k tax free. No other income as retired at 53. Sipp becomes active in April i will take 16760 25% tax free thus i wont be taxed on any income at close to 50k.

[@siddharthdesai117]

have Both

[@shimsteriom4191]

🤣 couldn't stop focussing on the bits of fluff .... Thanks Toby 👍

[@TobyNewbatt]

Hahahahaha me too. Bloody jumpers 😂😂😂

[@potnoogle5780]

Great content.

[@allthegearuk]

Looking forward to your video on the best sipp providers. I currently receive the maximum employer match on my company pension. If i choose to invest anymore i would want to do it in a SIPP where i have a greater choice of fees and funds. The same for my partner as she has a teacher's DB scheme but needs somewhere to invest more.

[@benjamesparker1]

Love your videos - super helpful - your last tip about consolidation of work place pensions into a SIPP - I suppose if you moved everything to Vanguard vs keeping in an insured pension (100% protected) with L&G then if vanguard goes pop you are only protected up to 85k... or maybe I have something wrong here..

[@TobyNewbatt]

I did a video recently about this very subject worth a watch 👍

[@TheTechAudiophile]

The massive issue with a SIPP is when you are a 20% tax payer your whole life and contribute all of your savings to your SIPP....inevitably with compounding your SIPP will eventually be worth a huge amount of money. Income will be calculated based on state pension + any other income such as workplace pensions + SIPP. The reality is that if you have a lot of money in the SIPP you'll want to take a lot out. So, with all pension income streams, there is no doubt that you will be in the 40% income tax bracket. Therefore, you've spent your whole life getting just 20% tax relief, then you pay 40% income tax on a lot of the SIPP money when it is withdrawn. Not good. So, in some scenarios they are worse than an SS ISA.

[@valerienewbatt9678]

Very good video as always Toby

[@jerryedwards4022]

I'm in the process of transferring an old workplace pension with Standard Life, into a Hargreaves Lansdown SIPP. So far it's gone very smoothly and I'm impressed by both companies with the way they've handled the transfer. Just hope that this will be onwards and upwards from now, going forward.

[@TobyNewbatt]

There's lots of regulation now which makes all the companies play nicely as they have to allow you to be able to transfer. So much easier now than it ever was :)

[@craftypam9992]

HL are quite expensive compared to a lot of other platforms. I consolidated all my pensions and ISAs with them, then realised I could pretty much halve my fees at Vanguard. And now there's places even cheaper. *this is information only, not financial advice* - as everyone says!

[@AnaViolinViola]

I choose both!

[@jawadsaleemi]

Thank you very much for such a nice comparative video. Can you please make a video on utilising SIPP for commercial property purchase

[@philjupe4485]

Think Sipps sit outside of inheritance tax as a potential way to pass funds to children on larger estates. Worth thinking about?

[@TobyNewbatt]

yes a great point thank you

[@joeoconnell3544]

Both?

[@richardw2646]

Good video, one small correction though, it’s the income between £100,000 and £125,170 that is taxed at an effective rate of 62% (as you also pay 2% NI)

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thanks Richard!

[@davideyres955]

There’s something obscene about the government earning more from your work that you do.

[@richardw2646]

@@davideyres955 Yeah doesn’t really provide an incentive. It’s the lack of logic that kills me most though, ie that the tax rate falls to 47% after £125,170

[@TheNomadicNick]

Great video as always mate, Thank you.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thank you!

[@u10722u]

I’d really appreciate a video on a sipp . Do you avoid like for like etfs than you isa or do you identify good etfs and go with them? Do you invest in bonds? Etc etc

[@mark_just_mark]

It would be good to see a SIPP video… A couple of queries from me are - if you have more than one pension, how do you compare the investments in each if they are with different providers? I.e. am I over investing in US tech etc. Also, if I do have more than one pension (e.g. With profits / SERPs / workplace / SIPP) can I crystallise them at different times?

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thanks Mark, great questions worth covering I'd also need to find out the answers to!

[@mark_just_mark]

@@TobyNewbatt Cannot consolidate any further due to benefits of each.

[@mark_just_mark]

@@jabberwockytdi8901If I consolidate I will lose ‘with profits’ benefits and AVC benefits so need to keep them separate…

[@stevecaplan7029]

Salary sacrifice into sipp is an option to many too, that means no tax claims etc and lowers your net earnings which may help higher rate tax payers say drop from 125k to 100k by paying the 25k gross into sipp by salary sacrifice?

[@TobyNewbatt]

yep always worth reminding on this one!

[@lindseyscott3011]

I don't have to pay any income tax due to working in Turkey, dual tax treaty etc etc. I guess it's a no brainer to do a S&S ISA rather than putting it into a pension for long term saving?

[@NoNonsenseJohnson]

Yep

[@lactobasilio]

Hi, can you tell us how you managed to merged your work sipp into one? Pros and cons? How much are fees to maintain?

[@ChemNerd23]

I would appreciate a video dedicated to SIPPs. Particularly from a vantage point of if you’re already fully matching on an employers DC pension (is a SIPP the next logical step or would it be to increase my contributions in the already setup employer pension or consider a LISA?). Thanks!

[@SuperTreemendus]

I’m 54 with no pension, but everything paid off and lots of future cash to invest. It sounds like a sipp is just like a stocks and shares ISA with a 25% addition 🤔. Should I bet the whole farm on a sipp?

[@beresd]

Yes to a SIPP video please. I am selling a house so will have about a 100k and not sure whether to do ISA over the next few years or ISA this year and next and SIPP....any insight would be amazing!

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thanks! See the pinned comment FYI that one of my examples is not a useful one but this just highlights how important it is to share the details.

[@brandontownsley6763]

Great Video. Can we have a SIPP deep dive please 😊

[@JHBEM]

I was literally doing my own landing around this, trying to decide an order and what platforms to use. This where I ended up in terms of order of priority and platforms, but I haven’t decided what proportion of savings to invest yet.

[@JHBEM]

Where I got to Investment Order - Insurances - PMI, Life, Critical illness, - Income protection - Work Pension (Max. Match) - LISA (£4k of £20k) - JSIPP (£2,880) - s&sISA (£16k of £20k) - JISA (£9k) - SIPP (£60k) LISA - 0.15% - Dodl by AJ Bell SIPP - 0.15% - Invest Engine (IE) / Vanguard S&SISA - 0% - IE / Trading212 JISA - 0% - Fidelity JSIPP - 0% - Fidelity

[@alansingh9510]

Thanks Toby, great video and the guidance I was looking for. Quick question- I’ve maxed out my ISA so DCA into an investment account which I plan to transfer into an ISA come April 6. Are the profits classed as interest or capital gains? Would like to know given there are different allowances on both. Thanks again

[@TobyNewbatt]

Selling shares and making a profit is classed as a capital gain. You've got £6k allowance for capital gains this tax year as you will probably already know. Good luck with it and congrats on maxing out the ISA that's impressive going!

[@alansingh9510]

@@TobyNewbattFinally found a KZbinr that replies to his comments. Thank you so much

[@ottonellomattia]

Great video, really well made, for higher taxpayers, when claiming the additional tax relief, do you know if you need to include your personal contribution only (to various SIPP providers added up) or include the tax relief you received from HMRC already applied when contributing (the original 25%) as well? I guess the employers contribution is excluded in the calculation correct?

[@Bartletters]

Nice presentation Toby. Your mention of having both an ISA and a SIPP begs a question. Would the values of both accounts be added together, to determine a 25% tax free withdrawal amount from the ISA?

[@TobyNewbatt]

There’s no tax at all when you take money out of an isa it’s only for the SIPP that this applies 👍👍

[@Bartletters]

@@TobyNewbatt Phew! Thanks Toby.

[@Kowalski7791]

Would holding fees not bring down the SIPP return against S&S ISAs

[@TobyNewbatt]

Which fees are you talking about I'm not 100% sure here. There are always account fees to consider with investment.

[@ChikezieOradiegwu]

Hi Toby, a video of SIPP will do a good job

[@aname5267]

I have a decent pension package for the part time hours that I work. I’m just under the tax threshold but after a pay rise I’m just sitting underneath it. If I work overtime I pay a bit of tax so I’m considering opening a SIPP. How do I figure out which is better? SIPP or top up my workplace pension?

[@Oldyellowbrick]

I think you should prioritise filling up ISA as much as possible. I worked it out after fees putting in 10k lump sum then £200 a month into both and what you would have at the end as NET after tax and after taking the lump sum… in 22 years I’d be just over 20k better off assuming that you are subject to 20% tax on drawdown. This was based on me being a 40% tax payer when contributions were made too so even less reason if you are in the 20% band. This is all assuming everything remains the same such as thresholds/bands/age etc. Is the potential of having 20k more really worth surrendering the control of your money to the GOV?

[@TobyNewbatt]

Indeed, rules can change and this is always worth being aware of. Pensions might be more liable than ISAs but let's not forget that ISAs could also be changed too - although unlikely in my view :)

[@DeanR3]

Brilliant video and I agree a sipp only video would be great, am I correct in thinking this, I currently pay into a work pension but I am thinking of putting my old workplace pension into a sipp, if I was to earn over the basic rate tax by 5k if I put that into the sipp would that mean I wouldn't get taxed the 40% on that 5k? this would be put in tp the sipp by me with my monthly pay ? But I will still keep my current work place pension. Hard to understand , thanks

[@SombhooG-xd4bq]

Hi Toby, if you already save in a workplace pension, then which one is better - cash LISA or SIPP? Thank you

[@RosskoPeeko]

Probably a bit late to post this but let’s see. I’m self employed and looking to open an SIPP now this is the question. Would you get the same tax relief from investing into an ISPP over a Cash ISA or would the returns be the same over the period due to the self employed paying the gross amount into the SIPP before deductions ?

[@TobyNewbatt]

A SIPP has great tax benefits both for the employed and the self employed. There is no such tax benefit in a cash ISA as this gets contributed to with after tax income. If you put money into a SIPP as a business owner - then this is an allowable business expense, therefore there is no corporation which could be anything from 19-25% depending on how big your business is. You will also save the dividend tax (assuming you wanted to get that money out of the business to yourself) Please verify all of this but google is your friend :)

[@RosskoPeeko]

@@TobyNewbatt would it be ideal to invest into both? I’d assume lean more towards investing in the SIPP over the ISA

[@TobyNewbatt]

@@RosskoPeeko Pros and cons for both. Personally I'm going to be investing in both for a very long time. Max out my ISA where I can but also contribute into my SIPP from my business. An ISA is great sd its fully flexible and tax free, you can take money out anytime. however a SIPP is not withdrawbale until retirement and only 25% is tax free - always worth taking that into account. but it is great because a SIPP you can get great tax benefits both as an employee or a self employed/ director. Also - we have no idea if rules will be changed on us at any point.

[@RosskoPeeko]

@@TobyNewbatt it’s just an absolute mind field and the more you research the deeper the rabbit hole goes. My idea so far was obviously invest into pension for the long run so I have something when retiring and use the cash isa on 212 as a sort of short to medium term savings account as well as using the 212 card for interest on my uninvested cash.

[@TobyNewbatt]

@@RosskoPeeko welcome to personal finance and investing :) It can be complicated but I'm trying my best to explain it. Sounds like a smart plan though. Save for the short term, investor the long term. Maximise ISA and SIPP/ Pensions where you can.

[@Simon_118]

Hi Toby did you do a more detailed video on SIPPs?

[@TobyNewbatt]

@@Simon_118 I don’t think so maybe for the future

[@miriamb1904]

Hello, can you do more videos about SIPPS? I’m thinking to open one.

[@BadHorsie1]

What's a sipp?

[@grantmail4112]

I'd like to know the best UK SIPP providers that give the best rates/lowest fees

[@annanatalia6640]

Interesting video. Thank you Toby. What is your opinion of Vanguard managed SIPP?

[@SombhooG-xd4bq]

Hi Toby, another brilliant video!! thanks. Can please you make a video on how to claim back any pension contributions as a high rate taxpayer through self assessment ? Thanks a lot.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@KeldorTheWhite]

Could be mistaken, but i was the Liftetime ISA kept topping you up until 60 years old not 50.

[@TobyNewbatt]

No sorry it's 50: "You can put in up to £4,000 each year, until you’re 50. You must make your first payment into your ISA before you’re 40" It is 60 to withdraw though, and that's maybe where you get the 60 part from :)

[@ThePoundWise]

please make detailed video about sipp. Thanks.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Ok soon

[@ThePoundWise]

​@@TobyNewbatt If you have some good info regarding difference between NHS pension and sipp, kindly share in the video as well.

[@the_islandstacker]

I've just opened a SIPP and I'm a higher rate tax payer, as my employer does my tax returns each year how do I go around claiming the additional 20% tax relief as I don't submit a return myself?

[@TobyNewbatt]

You need to register for self assessment on the HMRC website and also have a google on what you need to do. Lots of helpful information out there to explain exactly what you need to do. You have to do this yourself nothing will be done automatically and I also believe you can go back a number of years too if you have never got the relief! There’s millions of pounds out there left unclaimed

[@generalgriffmeister7333]

Yes to a SIPPs video please

[@everythingtechnew7400]

I think the added bonus with a sipp is the extra tax free amount will grow over the years the sipp is invested. With SIPP for every£1000 invested you buy an investment worth £1250 that’s where SIPP’S win over a Stocks & Shares isa imo. The more you can get invested the more compound interest grows which is the key to successfully investing.

[@poppyrussell5630]

But then you're taxed on 75% of it at the end and for that you have to adhere to all the government restrictions on when you can take it. And how much at a time you can take - if you've paid in at basic rate tax relief, but one year you need to withdraw £20k in addition to your income amount and state pension etc because you need a new roof or new car - you might find you have to pay 40% tax on some of it, having only received 20% on the way in. Esp in Scotland where the higher rate bracket starts at 40K not 50K. So a mix of ISAs and pensions is ideal. Maybe even better, a LISA - free 25% uplift which you don't pay back in taxes at the end. But I do agree, even if you are not a higher rate taxpayer, esp if you have a large pension pot then that 25% tax free portion is worth it over an ISA in monetary terms. Possibly less worth the restrictions for a smaller pension like £100k. I ran the numbers on £40pm ISA at 6% for 40 years and you get £76,678 tax free. For a SIPP at £50pm you get £95,848, which is £81,470 when taxed at 20% on 75% of it. For

[@lawrencer8673]

A Sipp is good investment for Inheritance tax purposes, your ISA would be taxed as part of your estate & a Sipp would not in the event of your death....no point in giving the taxman mire money than is required.

[@tiptoemouse]

On your point about SIPPs forcing you to become a long term investor - it is possible to sell your investments within a SIPP and keep the money in cash. Or sell them and buy something else within the SIPP.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Yes it absolutely is and that’s your responsibility. But you can’t take the money out 😀, so it does encourage you to do something with it!

[@tiptoemouse]

@@TobyNewbatt Yes, you can't take it all out and blow it on fast cars - at least not until 55! Or 57 in my case.

[@stephen4865]

Im fortunate that I may be able to retire in my early 50s so a SIPP would mean money was tied up until 57 or perhaps later. Is it then sensible to split between a S&S ISA and a SIPP? As then the isa could be used until the SIPP can be accessed? I also have my workplace pension but it’s a government pension and therefore no control over investments etc.

[@sgist7824]

Yes the ISA is usually referred to as your Runway when planning to retire early

[@psychochippy]

I've been a self employed tradesman for 37 yrs now, 62 with no private or company pensions, desperate to get out of working and I have been and learning to invest, hopefully with some success this year. Would I be best off opening and using an ISA or a SIPP or both possibly? I have very little capital by the way.

[@adrianl5899]

You are eligible for tax relief on pension contributions until age 75. Unless jumping up tax bands in retirement, a pension beats ISA as a tax wrapper by at least 6.25% on what's contributed. If you haven't already done so, it would be a very good idea to get your State Pension forecast to ensure you're going to get, or are on track, for your full State Pension. In the event you are currently set to only receive a State Pension, it may be the case you would qualify for Pension Credit and that should be checked out.

[@psychochippy]

@@adrianl5899 Thank you. I jave looked and do qualify for a full state pension. In fact, I have been for well.over 5 years now. Thanks for answering.

[@eheld27]

I don’t know wether to get a work place pension or a sipp ??

[@adrianl5899]

Pay in to the workplace pension to whatever % maximises your employer's 'free money' contribution. Look at what funds are available int he workplace pension - the default one may not be suitable for your needs. If there's only one fund (a lifestyling one) you can still alter you retirement date in the pension to alter when lifestyling occurs. When you change jobs, you can choose to move the pension elsewhere if it makes sense to do so. This is a common strategy many use so to avoid opting out, paying more tax and not having provision as well.

[@eheld27]

What type of different funds are their inside the work place pensions

[@TobyNewbatt]

Adrian has nailed this exactly as I would always say to people - maximise your workplace pension first especially to make sure you are getting the maximum amount of free cash from your employer! (A SIPP is anther tool that's outside of all of this and I know it's confusing!) On your second question about what funds are available - this all depends on what plan you are with, which company (e.g. Legal and General, Scottish Widows, Aviva etc.) Now is a great time to find out - get a login online, have a snoop around and see.

[@eheld27]

@@TobyNewbatt I’ve only just started at my company so I haven’t started paying pension yet but what if I decide to keep jumping company to company is it not just better me getting a sip and putting everything in 1 place straight away ?

[@adrianl5899]

​@@eheld27If you opt out of workplace pensions, you'll miss out on the employer contribution and could be paying more NI and tax for no reason. It doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 jobs in your life, as you simply keep track of where your pensions are or, when beneficial, merge them with your existing workplace pension or into a personal pension you set up yourself. Your future self will thank you.

[@ruydiego10]

Questions please: 1- is there a SIPP platform that offer uss dollars? I am afraid the sterling might devaluate more in 20 years. My vanguard account only offer sterling. 2- can I open SIPP accounts with different providers?

[@richsmart321]

Have you reviewed the Sipp platforms and which would you recommend for transferring in a couple of old workplace pensions?

[@TobyNewbatt]

Not yet! I need to get around to making it :)

[@richsmart321]

@@TobyNewbatt cannot wait to watch it when you do!

[@rajeshwertharunam5286]

Interested in detailed video on SIPP

[@MrPurle]

It's almost as if you don't have to choose between one or the other - they both have their benefits. :) I'm sure you've no shortage of video ideas, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on the new InvestEngine SIPP - currently with Vanguard, so wondering whether I should move etc.

[@TobyNewbatt]

Watch this space, once they open it I'll be giving it a try

[@tiptoemouse]

​@@TobyNewbatt Looking forward to the InvestEngine SIPP video! I have my SIPP with Vanguard at the moment, but would be interested to know if I'd be better off using InvestEngine.

[@TobyNewbatt]

@@tiptoemouse check my latest Invest engine portfolio update I started a small SIPP already 👍

[@tiptoemouse]

@@TobyNewbatt Thanks, I'll take a look.

[@tiptoemouse]

@@TobyNewbatt Thanks - I've taken a look at the video. I noticed that in it you mentioned that there are fees for the InvestEngine SIPP, but you didn't mention what they are. I'd be interested to know how they compare with the 0.15% for Vanguard. I was hoping that the IE SIPP would be fee-free like their ISA.

[@coolvibesradio3267]

hey Toby, i was thinking about the fees. for example Vanguard changes 0.15% capped to 375 a year. so in your example if the sips guy uses vanguard he should have to subtract £11250 (375x30) right?

[@alecwilkins512]

Why use a Sipp when you can just keep all your retirement investments in an ISA?

[@alecwilkins512]

Stocks and shares ISA that is