Who Invented the Food Pyramid and Why You'd Be Crazy to Follow It

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The very first “food pyramid” was a Swedish invention and it was an invention of necessity more than anything else. Back in 1970s, Sweden saw its country gripped by high food prices. The government then tasked The Socialstyrelsen (National Board of Health and Welfare) with coming up with a way to help the situation. In response to this, in 1972, they came up with “basic” and “supplementary” foods- in a nutshell basic foods were foods considered essential to a person’s well-being and supplementary foods were foods that provided vitamins and minerals basic foods did not.
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[@TodayIFoundOut]

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[@phangirl2484]

the gender specification between "bigger, leaner stronger" versus "thinner leaner stronger" is disgusting. guys can be slight and strong and girls can definitely be big and jacked-- healthy looks different on everyone. i'm disappointed that you guys recommended these books

[@nocontextwhatever]

phangirl they should do a video about genders as they don’t seem to know that any gender can look however they want to.

[@RvnWolf]

Well seen an interesting episode from Adam ruins everything covering health food and sugar. Apparently accordingbto the episode as for the pros and cons of sugar compared to fat was cherry picked in a way to make sugar look healthier than fat despite sugar being one of the causes for heart conditions. Any takes on that inbrelation to what you covered on the food pyramid?

[@mustymoose]

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[@MissLadyRukia]

@@mustymoose click on the "save 66%"

[@zacharyouten4525]

My government is taking money from lobbyists to lie to me? I'm shocked!

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

Your government is taking money from lobbyists to lie to my country to then regurgitate it as truth to me? I'm shocked!

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

@Supreme Chief No need to compare the bad doings levels of atrocities. What does that accomplish? Nothing!

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

@Supreme Chief But not by completely ignoring all the smaller evils, a tank is lopping bombs at you doesn't mean to ignore the soldier about to gut you with a tiny knife. Understand that metaphor?

[@CrazyBear65]

Gee, imagine that. Well I'll be dipped in shit and rolled in cornflakes.

[@iteerrex8166]

What country are you guys from? I'm shocked. MY country the good ol US of A does no such things.

[@Gnoggin]

Last year I literally flipped the food pyramid, 70% of my diet was fat, and there were NO grains at all. Since then I've lost 170 pounds, have WAY good control of diabetes, have way more energy, and life is just all around better. The Food Pyramid was Baaaaaaad.

[@omario009]

Hi Lockstin! Your video on the subject matter really opened my eyes in observing what we put in our bodies and how we are literally eating ourselves to death with the outdated pyramid. I've been on the same diet for only a month, but I am making great strides in losing body fat. Thank you so much for your video!

[@alvallac2171]

*have WAY better (or "more")

[@melissashipley5450]

I've lost 20 pounds just mostly eating meat, fats and vegetables while cutting only my carb intake to a third, this is very true!

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

Insanity! (and not in a bad way)

[@crazydud3380]

Yeah, a lot of what they tell you is the opposite of what is correct.

[@TheJollyMisanthrope]

Food Pyramid = Consume mostly the products that corporate farming can produce cheaply.

[@LmaoMoni]

Jolly Misanthrope its weird because potatoes and greens are easy to grow

[@Batmagoo]

@@LmaoMoni They are hard to sell at a high price though, since they aren't as processed

[@LmaoMoni]

STUBFAN a bag of 2.5kg potatoes is like a pound

[@ebsenraptzski9522]

bingo!

[@fartmerchant762]

@@LmaoMoni Actually 2.5kg is 5.5 pounds, nice try though :) /s

[@thomashenley4035]

Thats why I love pizza, its all the food groups in one convenient hand held triangle

[@BadWebDiver]

Fruits?

[@melonneko]

@@BadWebDiver Hawaiin

[@BadWebDiver]

@@melonneko Good point, tho I didn't think that was popular. ;)

[@CapitanoGUC-gf6el]

But today pizza is linked to child abuse 😮

[@loditx7706]

BadWebDiver Tomatoes are fruits.

[@Ashendal]

Yet another reason on the immense list to limit lobbying by corporations in every way possible and enact harsh punishments if they are found to be influencing politicians.

[@maidenreligion12]

Yep. But this is just a pipe dream without either the restructuring of our entire government body and the people running it, or the complete collapse of it entirely. As it stands now it's far too baked in to change and the people with the power to change it have no desire or motivation to.

[@joesterling4299]

Since the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, this is now impossible in the US.

[@joannivaldi2106]

Why do you think politicians fight like dogs to get elected? It's not that they care about the citizens, it's the millions they make from lobbyists. If they cared about the people, our food would be healthier and there would be no opioid crisis where thousands of people are dying because of pharmaceutical companies each year.

[@Saracinderallasushis]

JoAnn Ivaldi Yes and as such we should treat them like dogs when they do get elected, keep them on short leashes, and put them in cages when they are left alone!

[@Ikajo]

You need to eliminate money being a factor in government first. Your whole political system is built on money. Change a law, pay money. Suggest a new law, pay money. Request a re-count of ballots because you believe something wasn't done properly, pay money. Lobbyists has a lot of influence because politicians are dependent on being sponsored.

[@eetadakimasu]

There was also a point where eggs were lumped in with dairy, a point that still causes confusion to this day

[@tashabattaglino1887]

I thought it was just me! I was in the grocery store talking about this and got called out by my bf on it. I have no idea where that thought started. Maybe because of the location in usa stores is near each other? Eggs are always near the dairy.

[@Strongest_under_heaven]

@liz t i would like to see a source on that. Though, it does make some sense. If they don't get any dairy their bones could be very weak therefore easily accumulating micro cracks , and as we know bones regrow stronger

[@caobadraconis5560]

@@Strongest_under_heaven in many countries drinking milk or consuming dairy products in general isn't common. The issue here is that people assume that calcium can only be found in dairy products (or at least high amounts of calcium). In reality, calcium can be found in many veggies, nuts,fruits and legumes. In fact, many legumes have way more calcium than milk. Soy being one of them. So any culture that has a high consumption of those, like it happens in different parts of Asia, has a good source of calcium.

[@john091077]

I still milk my chickens for eggs every day.

[@RainbowEssence-c3w]

Omg I remember that lol! To this day I still associate eggs with dairy and tend to lump it in with milk, yogurt, and cheese. Even though I know eggs obviously don't come from cows.

[@CatsMeowPaw]

I remember ads in Australia saying every child needs a glass of milk, a piece of cheese, and a tub of yogurt, every day. Obviously this was a message purchased by the dairy industry as it was very careful to spread dairy consumption across every major group of product.

[@danielhebard1865]

In moderation, there's nothing wrong with eating dairy. Nearly everyone of European descent can digest lactose, and it's a good source of protein. I'm not claiming that lobbying is a good thing, but dairy itself isn't evil.

[@MrTaylork1]

Daniel Hebard It’s not evil, it’s just unnecessary. There are plenty of other ways to get vitamin D, healthy fats, and protein without taking on a dose of sugar as well that contributes to insulin resistance. it’s just like..why?

[@ElNeroDiablo]

It's not just a source of Vitamin D, healthy fats & protein, but where's ya source of calcium for bone reinforcement gonna come from?

[@1978cannondaleman]

@@MrTaylork1 name 1. Dairy is extremely healthy and important for people of all ages. Milk has a lot of protein and fat and vitamin D. Yogurt has bacterial cultures- found in no other food and which are extremely important for intestinal health plus protein and vitamin D and a little fat. Cheese is very healthy also. I cannot think of any dairy products that have a lot of sugar in them, just tiny amounts occuring naturally. Grains are extremely important also, and whole grains cannot create any type of allergies. Einkorn wheat is safe even for celiac disease. Never eat white bread or white sugar, and you will be fine. Avoid white pasta, eat only whole grain. All the diseases come from the stripping of the bran and grains, not from the food itself. Vegans are extremely unhealthy. Vegetarians are super thin and weak. The best diet is balanced. We need certain amino acids found only in animal products. I eat a lot of organic sugar, I also burn 1500 calories during my morning bike ride every day. Sugar, butter, coconut oil, whole wheat, milk, cheese, yogurt, lean meats- all necessary for our body's nutrition. And they taste delicious too!

[@fergusoddjob]

@@1978cannondaleman "I cannot think of any dairy products that have a lot of sugar in them, just tiny amounts occuring naturally." Stop lobbying my dude. Milk has 12g of sugar per 250mL cup (yes, even nonfat) that's nearly half that in a cup of soda. I've read some commenters on here saying that they were told in elementary school to drink 3 glasses of milk a day, that's like 1.5 sodas worth of sugar plus all of the fat that doesn't exist in sodas. Yogurts are fine as long as its plain Greek yogurt but frankly what child is eating a tub of greek yogurt after school? 100 grams of vanilla yogurt can have as much as 30g of sugar, which again is fucking insane. I'm a massive meat fan but your arguments generalising ALL vegans and vegos as being skinny, weak and unhealthy is stupid. there isn't some magical property of meat that fights diseases, everything found in meats can be found in other foods. It certainly is the case that if a normal meat eating person were to remove meats and dairy entirely from their diet without replacing them it would not be good. But protein rich legumes like beans, chickpeas and lentils as well as other key foods replacing meats are easy to cook with and a fine substitute for meats.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

I lost decades of my life to these murderous dietary guidelines. It's when I tried keto that everything changed for me. All the crippling illnesses that I was suffering from (and didn't even realize I had) suddenly vanished, and the shock finally broke the illusion. After a lot of research, I found out where these guidelines come from, and it's beyond outrageous.

[@ahleenah]

Funnily enough, I got so many health issues resolved when I cut down foods containing dairy, wheat and sugar and started eating _more_ salt

[@horsepowermultimedia]

Go ahead and blame the salt.

[@chkwgn460]

Salt to taste and get rid of sugar. Works for me.

[@Zappbrannigan83]

I approve of the pro salt agenda. 🧂

[@ujjvalw2684]

No wheat? Whats the alternative

[@Floordford]

Greed ruined this too? I'm starting to understand how conspiracy theorist feel. "It's all a government lie, man. The food industry bought the right to tell you what you should eat."

[@alvallac2171]

*theorists (plural)

[@copcuffs9973]

And they are trying to feed corn 🌽⛽ to our cars too!

[@grusha9516]

**far left noises intensify**

[@Fetidaf]

@BADSPOCK I wouldn't most, there are certainly some that have been proven to be true and by extension of that many that are and will be proven to be true but there are _alot_ of conspiracy theories, anywhere from true (Tuskegee), likely (Epstein), not likely but possible (China deliberately fucked up the handling of the Coronavirus in order to tank the global economy), all the way to "this crack is great as always, my man... By the way did you hear about ____" (flat earth). But I'd be willing to say that there are many, many more on the "batshit" side of that scale as opposed to the "likely/true" side. Even looking at 1 event that's riddled with conspiracy theories, 9/11, there's a handful of possible ones like Bush knew about it but let it happen, Muhammed Atta and gang were CIA plants etc but there are essentially an unlimited amount of "wtf are you smoking!?" Ones like the planes were holograms, it was thermite, controlled demolition etc and I feel the same can be said for most other events as well. It seems like there's a batshit conspiracy theory behind every single aspect of life from the weather to drinking water, housing/utility prices, the utilities themselves, cars, gasoline/EV market, food with GMO's and preservatives, medications, clothing, cell pbones... The list goes on, pick any single aspect of anyone's daily life and I guarantee there's a conspiracy theory about it and 99.9-% of those are completely batshit insane. Meanwhile the true ones are relatively few and far between

[@hi-nw7qy]

The problem with conspiracy theorists isn't being skeptical, it's that way too many are elitist and way to extreme. The truth is the government gives into companies for money, conspiracy theorist will say they gave in because they want to make the populace obese so they can kill the citizens to reduce the population and are being influenced by Bill Gates.

[@autonomous44]

Got detention in 5th grade or so telling them that this pyramid is a lie. I wasn’t even a jerk about it, they just saw that other students were thinking about it once I said it so they made an example out of me for them to go along with it or get what they gave me. My whole childhood was like this.

[@jovialwyvern2954]

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@LazyTitan9]

Sure you did kid.

[@kishiberohan7955]

Our education system is a joke. School is supposed to teach kids knowledge and (most importantly) how to utilize their imagination. Not force them to comply like robots in buildings that show a lot of similarities to prison!

[@granite676]

That's because you questioned 'the narrative' which usually is based on bs NOT PROPER SCIENTIFIC LONG TERM STUDYS. 👍😉

[@zzBaBzz]

Oh my communist teachers hated me so much. I was the "capitalist" (or whatever buzzword you wanna use), always using sound logic and facts, also telling them "haha no" when I didn't feel like doing whatever garbage they wanted us to. Most of the other kids listened to me, and it drove them INSANE.

[@keirarogan454]

Lobbying is just so strange to me... where I come from that’s just bribery and super illegal!

[@yknx4]

In real first world countries, Lobbying is called Bribing indeed.

[@KayanP]

Lmao where are you from?

[@bonnys3015]

I've always thought lobbying should be illegal.

[@WOranos]

The act of lobbying itself, isn't illegal. It's just an attempt to persuade or convince politicians to act in a certain way. Individual citizens do this everyday by writing letters, organizing protests or calling their political representatives. It's the METHODS used by professional lobbyists that are shady as hell. Bribery, blackmail and assorted threats are all used by the lobby industry to influence political decision-making and this is what it completely illegal. It's also the reason why so many politicans enter politics with empty pockets and leave again as multi-millionaires. Every system is susceptible to corruption and lobbying is no different. The only thing that really sets it apart is the fact that corruption in lobbying is the norm, not the exception.

[@grusha9516]

It isn't a bug, it's a feature.

[@yurdp]

That damn pyramid set us back 40 years, the parents of my generation bought it hook, line, and sinker. Now we’re fat, out of shape, and riddled with diabetes.

[@P3t3rPizzarelli]

Speak for yourself buddy. I’m not fat, I’m overly tubby at most

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

Yeah sure, its somebody else's fault that you ate ALL the fucking food, and then ate it all again.......

[@lam7499]

Technically you can eat anything and still be skinny, provided you eat little enough So the pyramid is screwed up but take some dang responsibility for your shape

[@timbrink3830]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with people being inactive, and eating too much.... completely avoiding the pyramid. But yeah it's all the food pyramids fault

[@RettMikhal]

The comment was about how children trust their parents and the parents trusted that 11 servings of white flour a day was good, as was 2 servings of fruit and vegetables, which is clearly false. Worse that propaganda has lasting power. People don't want to admit they were wrong their whole life so they'll just accept the lie. So the original comment that it set us back was correct.

[@t.c.5702]

Yet another thing that was attempted to be forced down my throat as a student. Teachers always hated when you questioned and tried to break down their lessons, I see why now. They arnt/wernt always right.

[@kaitokobayashi6394]

Quite obviously! And from my experience most of them were more 'wrong' than 'right' with what they teach you (remember the 3 states of matter? Apparently there are over 16 of them...)

[@leeloo324]

Literally forced down ur throat 😬

[@lbrown21494]

Do you really think teachers were in on this scheme? They teach what the government tells them to.

[@lbrown21494]

@@kaitokobayashi6394 Maybe that's because the 3 we are familiar with occur most often and a 2nd grader doesn't need to understand what a Bose-Einstein Condensate is.

[@kaitokobayashi6394]

@@lbrown21494 well they could've at least said they are the 'three most common states of matter on earth' instead of just straight up lying to us which feels very unfair (Like being taught of many math formulas then being told that they were mostly wrong later in college or highschool)

[@37shadowwolf15]

This just in everything your learned in health class about nutrition was corperate propoganda and most of your basic education was basically one big ad.

[@djsonicc]

You could also say that everything from first grade to end of highschool is pretty much a waste of time.

[@wesleybantugan5604]

So basically my elementary school lied to me? Great...

[@stanleystrange]

You're not just once but on lots and lots of things

[@OddSpaceGhost]

Oh boy... got some news for ya bud...

[@al_pastorbradley8647]

@@peachyjam9440 then they get drugged into zombies for reacting properly to being ripped from their parents to enjoy several hours of sitting. It's no wonder my generation is plauged by mentally unstable kids grabbing their dad's rifle and depopulating the classrooms every few months.

[@al_pastorbradley8647]

@Ray G pretty sure santa was just an old european tradition

[@SirMatthew]

Nothing new there...

[@CBrown]

I've seen a lot of content about this lately. I'm glad it's getting more exposure because this is something I've known about (but am getting more depth on) for a long time.

[@johannaschonberger6182]

My college teacher for culinary even said the food pyramid was shit thrn he showed the movie food inc. In class cuz it was a food ethics class and he was high as f too sooo i learned alot from both of them

[@ThatGirlJD]

Next they need to attack the BMI.

[@johndonaldson3619]

Good boy fatty....back to your pizza, kfc & big mac....

[@rudra62]

I've known for some time that adhering to the food pyramid gives a person far too many carbs, while restricting vegetables. Fats are essential to transporting certain vitamins, and are essential to causing a person to feel full and satisfied - so they don't want to eat again in 45 minutes after a heavy-carb very-low fat meal.

[@catherinelarkin247]

@@ThatGirlJD Yeah that is garbage science too.

[@raziyatheseeker]

1992: 6 to 11 servings of grain a day 2010: "Bread makes you fat!?"

[@Isobel31Swan]

Both grain and bread make you fat.

[@edennis8578]

@@Isobel31Swan Yes! My husband's been doing Keto since October (no grains or sugar), and he's lost 55 pounds.

[@natalyalaurel]

@@Isobel31Swan excess calories makes you fat

[@Isobel31Swan]

@@natalyalaurel not all calories are equal. Uou'd have to taken a hell of a lot if vegetables to make you fat if it were merely to do with calories.

[@natalyalaurel]

@@edennis8578 same here. Every restrictive diet works the same. Whether is keto, paleo, or cutting out other food groups from your diet as part of weight loss price, it all has the same effect - a significant reduction of daily calorie intake resulting (of course) in weight loss. Also, in recent years, some studies showed that ketogenic diets can be unsafe to follow for a long period of time, as it can lead to some health issues (high cholesterol, kidneys problems etc), so, be careful with that one!

[@PlayaWebDesign]

Why would you consult with the makers of the food when creating the pyramid? Everything is broken in this reality.

[@PrezVeto]

Why would you ask government to assemble health advice in the first place?

[@dynamicworlds1]

@@PrezVeto ideally to help counter the misinformation from corporations. Not exactly a big task for the experts needed to operate something like the FDA to compile some research and put it in an easily digestible form if the agency (and government) isn't supremely corrupt.

[@bolbibonds858]

This is the folly of capitalist political economy.

[@MrDannyDetail]

I agree it seems to make no sense. But I think the idea was that with the food companies on board everyone with an interest (as in stake, not curiousity) in the matter would be working in the same direction. If they had released something that the food companies all opposed then the food companies would have just started spending their billion pound advertising budgets on pushing opposite messages to the pyramid, and ultimately the food companies may have in effect shouted louder than the health peoples pyramid, and moved the average persons diet in the wrong direction. Whether the eventual 'compromise' that thy ended up, and were all working in the same direction on, was any better than the two sides working against each other is admittedly debatable though.

[@LostieTrekieTechie]

This is America, the government serves business interests, not public health.

[@fvckgoogle7894]

This is why lobbyists should be outlawed.

[@drewpamon]

You'll never eliminate lobbiest as long as the government yields enormous power over the lives of it's people. You have no idea how much influence the government's nutrition guidelines have in our society and how many billions of dollars are made from them. What the government needs to do is get out of the telling people how to eat business entirely. The only way to get rid of the pigs is to stop feeding them.

[@brandonlyon730]

Or people actually take responsibility of there own bodies and do their proper exercises, because what you eat means squat if you don’t do any sort of exercise yourselves.

[@codediporpal]

So if you and your friends want a law to reduce carbon emissions, you think you should go to prison for talking to you congressman about it?

[@LostieTrekieTechie]

@@codediporpal but money should never have been deemed "speech", the issue with lobbying is groups with more money have more influence, rather subverting the ideals of democracy.

[@christianknuchel]

This is a bit like calling for publicly financed elections: It's a nice thought, and it might do something, but thinking that that's it and all is going to be well is dangerously naive. There will always be indirect ways for wealth to influence politics. It can be done through the media, through opportunities provided to revolving door politicians, or by the means of extortion, by large corporations threatening to divest from an electorate (e.g. by shipping jobs overseas). Now, it's okay to put band aids on the problem, but there always have to be solutions towards lasting change in who controls the wealth of a society. If it's too centralized, democracy is effectively rendered defective.

[@gmp2474]

American history in a nutshell: The americans wanted to change this but the ...-industry fought back.

[@soldio4143]

Lobbyists...fancy word for legal bribery and blackmail.

[@ADerpyReality]

I'd write the original give a copy to be changed and release the original non bs version.

[@DasAntiNaziBroetchen]

@@ADerpyReality I had to read your comment three times to understand what you're saying. Please use some commas.

[@socialmoth4974]

Does anyone actually follow the food pyramid? I never have. I always thought that many servings of items a day seemed excessive. Go figure, I'm still thin at 44 years old.

[@magicalomaha2804]

I know, even as a child it seemed ridiculous!

[@user-zm1rq6xj9v]

I just eat when I am hungry and drink when I am thirsty. And usually, my body will begin to crave certain meats vegetables or fruits at different periods of time... same with consuming dairy and eggs.

[@myriampro4973]

The "servings" are totally arbitrary. Two or three servings = one fruit.

[@henrikl1394]

Yes...Everyone...But they flip it up side down ;-P

[@tashabattaglino1887]

Looking around me, i think some people are def following it.

[@multiplyx100]

My father, one of the top biologists in the country, has always said that avoiding salt was a fallacy. He said that you simply excrete what you don't need, and our biochemistry after all evolved in the highly salty oceans. It's something that the body easily regulates, as long as you have enough salt in your diet. I'm glad that you make it clear in the video that there's no evidence for salt reduction being beneficial.

[@choreomaniac]

multiplyx100 yes. It’s far more dangerous to have too little salt.

[@tylerh629]

Unless you have an angiotensin problem and you hold that salt. Just pointing that out....

[@rooseveltbrentwood9654]

i literally eat salt by itself. i have always craved salt and have low blood pressure

[@jordansligar1644]

What about msg

[@LindaGailLamb.0808]

My sister had high blood pressure, but so far I don't - and I don't consider my diet particularly low salt. Also, the cholesterol issue... I believe it's been found that genetics plays a part in cholesterol levels and their effects. It's probably the same with high blood pressure and salt.

[@jhawkshaw]

As a child, it never made sense to me how grains should be taken more than fruits and vegetables. Edit: Yeah I embarrasingly used the wrong term back when I made this comment haha

[@nottakenaway]

As a child, it made vague sense to me, but only because we were dirt poor and could rarely afford fruits and vegetables. I'd wince while watching other kids throw away perfectly fine, uneaten, fresh apples into the trash.

[@FakeAssHandsomeMcGee_]

Same here. I was like "wait a tick..." but didn't really bother too much as being kids, we always hated healthy food. If they told us to eat more fruits and veggies, we just laugh.

[@ashleymay1226]

J Hawkshaw idk I remember learning the opposite and that carbs shouldn’t be eaten very much while fruits and vegetables should take up about half the meal with a bit of protein and carbs

[@LasPhoenix777]

Check out Dr. John McDougall

[@mycelia_ow]

@@ashleymay1226 carbs should be the biggest food group you eat. Grains, legumes, nuts and seeds, and fruit (it'ss included in this category; fructose is a carb).

[@joannivaldi2106]

I'm surprised that with all the lobbying done in the food pyramid, MacDonald's and Burger King didn't make it on the level of the essential foods.

[@nora22000]

JoAnn Ivaldi McDonalds and Burger King ARE there--look at the recommendations and the fast-food offerings!

[@bcubed72]

BRAWNDO! It's got what nutritionists crave!

[@joannivaldi2106]

@Slim Jim Yes, it's true! Some schools have Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Burger King and lots of other fast-food stands. It's disgusting! They say that if they have this food it will keep the students from wandering off to get fast food on the streets. Not only do we have a major child obesity problem here, but school lunches are also contributing to it. Almost every ad on TV is fast food. Some parents don't cook meals for their families anymore, they eat fast food every day!

[@bcubed72]

@Slim Jim Then all I can say is, "thank God I don't live in Australia!" Really...the school OVERRULES THE PARENTS in re: what is or isn't suitable for the child? That's borderline a fighting issue! What happened, fam? You used to be cool! You worshipped Ned Kelly; you had a National Anthem about a transient bushranger...it's like, somewhere in the 1980s Australia went and had itself neutered!

[@joannivaldi2106]

@@bcubed72 @Slim Jim, Back in the '80s the school budget was cut by a billion dollars. Parents went nuts. Govt tried to say that condiments like ketchup were a vegetable. School lunches became privatized and the fast food companies swooped in. Parents can send their children off to school with lunches prepared at home, but what I see are parents becoming less involved and less concerned with health, rather wanting food that is fast and cheap and giving the child anything they want regardless of health.

[@burmecian123]

"Good wholesome foods at reasonable prices." Also known as [Delicious Dishes Done Dirt Cheap]

[@SonnyFRST]

[something about a reference]

[@jesperbc]

Being Danish, I especially LOVE how you pronounced "Socialstyrelsen" in this. The other Swedish names were great too, but the way you accentuated "styrelsen" was phenomenally funny! 🤣

[@joegrey9807]

It's not often you hear a Dane laughing about the way other people speak! 🤣

[@Hrafnskald]

@@joegrey9807 Agreed, they need to laugh more loudly :)

[@netiturtle]

Unregulated lobbying being both allowed and viewed favorably in the US is still beyond me.

[@RobTzu]

You have the right to free speech.You have the right to assembly.Can you not excerise both rights simaltenously?

[@soldio4143]

Lobbying...the fancy term for legal bribery and blackmail.

[@matildas3177]

@@RobTzu sure, nobody says you can't. That's not what lobbying is though.

[@jstvally1]

Lobbyists 😂

[@Lousy_Bastard]

The US as a country has lost the fucking plot, if the US was a person they would be put in a padded cell.

[@nocontextwhatever]

So that was basically propaganda?!

[@SydneyGayleJr8]

Yes Leah.

[@TheEightfoldPath_]

Propaganda and the least thought out experiment of our time. Skyrocketing instances of diabetes and other illnesses that could have been prevented.

[@kevinroylancephotography9437]

Welcome to life. Spoiler alert: Everything is propaganda.

[@ghostnoodle9721]

Kevin Roylance Photography Propaganda? No. Money grubbing monsters? Yes

[@nejiskafir8198]

@@nobodylmportant Does anyone actually follow the guidelines? Pffsst.

[@BboyFlimsy]

Back when I was in high school I was given detention for questioning the food pyramid in health class. I criticized America's influence and control by corporations and suspected they held control over the food pyramid and criticized it for not being an accurate guide for good health. I was also regularly sent to the principal’s office for not standing for the pledge and was once suspended after being questioned why I don't stand for the pledge. I gave a history lesson on the pledge and stated that I find it to be a stepping stone for a fascist run future and that was enough to get me suspended. It's extra messed up considering a football player in my class hit a girl with no repercussions, but I was punished for standing by my beliefs and questioning things I found suspicious.

[@clayxros576]

Unironically sounds like they were scared of you. That kind of talk is functionally anti-capitalist in how the country is set up, but not in a way they can actually refute. Even the communist argument doesn't work. Sounds like a factory school to me. Only listen, no thinking.

[@chamber_hiro256]

If we were all this wise yknow?

[@luvianmorales2262]

Calling bs here

[@BboyFlimsy]

@@luvianmorales2262 For frame of reference, that same health class told us aids was created because Africans ate a green monkey that in turn altered their blood and created aids. I could go on all day about that stupid nonsense that went on in that school and it all sounds like B.S. I had a teacher who tried to expel me for not standing for the pledge due to personal beliefs. It was a joke of a school with a weird lust to punish and little desire to teach.

[@atashgallagher5139]

@@luvianmorales2262 Why exactly? Criticizing could be taken as back talking or disrespect by an all too common asshole teacher who doesn't actually care about teaching. Plenty of people got in a lot of trouble for not standing for the pledge of allegiance before it was ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. And star players on a school sports team can get away with all kinds of shit especially in smaller schools where they can't be very easily replaced.

[@magnushultgrenhtc]

The weirdest part was switching from the food circle, which was already established, had built-in proportions, and even looked like a plate. I haven't seen the food pyramid in Sweden since the early 1980s, and any nutritional graphs produced for health purposes are circular. There is no use at all for a super abstract shape that claims to provide information about what to eat, but prevents any meaningful comparison of the amounts.

[@angelarch5352]

food triangle looks like a slice of pizza. Corporate approved!

[@janedoe4141]

Or what nutrients or vitamins or minerals or metals or anything of substance. What's a carb and why your body produces it's own glucose? Why can we survive on not eating food for longer than we can go without drinking? When should we know when we actually are craving something specific versus societal pressure to fit in? So many fun questions! Why are we not taught about fasting? God I hate corporate america.

[@SaraMakesArt]

I've heard before that the reason we're pushed to eat dairy is for the benefit of the dairy industry, and not for our health. I'm not against eating dairy products, personally, but I eat them because I like the taste and texture they give certain foods, not because I think I need them. When I was in elementary school, they told us we should be drinking three glasses of milk a day. There's no way I'm doing that.

[@harishuskic7270]

3 servings not necessary to take 3 servings of milk who even truely knows what a proper serving is. Maybe its only 3-4 oz and not 8. So cheese or icecream will count as a serving

[@xxXthekevXxx]

Oof you don’t really need to eat much dairy especially not 3 glasses of milk

[@remalm3670]

... Try to remember a time before easy access to man made sources of vitamins and minerals and there were only sources. Milk products provide one source of these vitamins and minerals, with processed foods begining fortified, milk and milk products aren't necessary. However, ask an African tribesmen about the importance of his cattle in providing everything he and his tribe needs without refrigeration 😉 ... (My lady protest much too much) ...

[@SaraMakesArt]

@@harishuskic7270 I'm not saying what the food pyramid says, I'm saying what I was told in school.

[@jasongalley604]

@@xxXthekevXxx you don't "need" dairy at all slick

[@kevinjs26]

Ever since I switched to carnivore (cheese included, loads of salt too), my life has improved so significantly. I not only look better and feel better but actually am better. My labs at the doctor's office were phenomenal. I found my new lifestyle!

[@dessertlimbo]

just make sure to get some vegetables once a week in there is no animal that purely eats just their main diet any animal switches it up including humans

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

Sky rocketing Type 2 diabetes was caused by the food pyramid ... so, how is Type 2 diabetes treated? The doctor prescribes expensive medication that only treats the symptoms. I switched to a low carb, medium fat, medium protein diet and no longer am a diabetic, no longer paying for the meds and lost 30 lbs and have kept it off.

[@shebbs1]

I did the same thing, but have to correct you: we are still T2 diabetics, we simply have it under control having lower insulin resistance and more efficient metabolism of glucose than before we changed our lifestyles. I also no longer need medications, but the American tendency to pronounce us as "cured of diabetes" is in error as we do not have the ability, still, to eat bad foods in excess without immediate consequence. I lost 70kg (something like 160lb) and have kept it off too.

[@shebbs1]

Oh, and the diet pyramid differs in Britain and Australia, being slightly less political (only slightly, dairy is over-represented though is not its own section) and our serving recommendations are smaller. That said, both Britain and Australia have chubbed up since the pyram attacks d came to us in the early 1980's and is often taught like it were the ultimate truth in nutrition.

[@Firsona]

@@shebbs1 I appreciate this comment. It's a constant point between my husband and I. I say diet controlled, he says cured. And I'm like, you go in the kitchen and eat a dozen donuts and we have to go to the er.

[@jennhill8708]

@@shebbs1 Well done! See my post above. I also have insulin resistance & have radically changed my diet. I've lost 23 lbs in the past month. 100 to go. I've done it before, although it's a constant battle & being past menopause doesn't help. Wishing you the very best!

[@jennhill8708]

@@shebbs1 horrors! I hope the population has a keen sense of political manipulation!

[@JoshFollmann]

When I was a kid and this thing was still being taught, I remember thinking how insane some of its recommendations were. Imagine trying to eat 11 servings of carbs per day. Even 6 seems a bit much. Recently I bought 6 donuts on a dumb whim and then realized if I didn't eat them all within a day and a half or so, they'd go stale. Even then, I wasn't eating as many carbs as this damned pyramid says is healthy. And let me tell you, it didn't feel healthy.

[@kaitokobayashi6394]

"11 servings of carbs per day" Wait, so that's how the food pyramid is supposed to be followed? :0

[@Kahadi]

@@kaitokobayashi6394 to a degree. Even while not an accurate guide, however, the big issue is that a "serving" is not standard and most people don't pay attention to it. If you look at the nutrition facts on a package, it will tell you what one serving is and tell you what that serving size contains, however that can end up being very oddly chosen or selected to make it sound healthier than it actually is. Like saying one serving of ice cream has only 4 grams of sugar, but the company lists one serving as one tablespoon of ice cream. Or, one that I found weird, was something like pre-made mini quiches I think. It listed one serving as 100 g of food, but each pastry was like 78 g. They'll pick an amount that makes it seem better (high in protein, low in fat or sugar, etc) depending on diet trends but it becomes pointless to try following the serving size. A box of donuts could, for example, say that there is only 1 gram of carbs per serving, but one serving is 1/6 of a donut. Sounds great until you pay enough attention to realize that's now 6 grams of carbs per donut. Also, from what I remember, the food pyramid stuff never gave its own definition of what a serving was, so 11 servings of carbs could be 11 grams, 11 slices of white bread with whatever amount of carbs that actually is, anything

[@kaitokobayashi6394]

@@Kahadi and there the powdered fruit juice that has '50% vitamin C' is sitting angrily

[@Kahadi]

@@kaitokobayashi6394 that's saying it has 50% of the daily value, but even that's questionable

[@kaitokobayashi6394]

@@Kahadi how? I think I have a vague idea on what you are saying but I'm unsure...

[@cubalibreball3809]

None of this confusion would've happened if the government didn't step in to tell people what and how to eat.

[@ElizabethBattle]

THIS

[@lijohnyoutube101]

The problem with comments like this is it acts like the world is not the way it is. Millions are raised in dysfunctional and poverty stricken homes. Many receive horrible levels of education and some even worse in home school environments where they not only learn very little but much of it is twisted, slanted, biased and often just wrong. This results in things like ‘do not use while showering labels’ on hair dryers and ‘remove child before applying product and attempting to launder’ on kid’s jackets and ‘must remove plastic wrapping before baking’ on pizza. The problem is that we say things like oh the government shouldn’t perhaps be telling people what to eat. But sadly they do need to do this because a government is responsible to try to protect its citizens and many don’t get taught even the most basics while growing up and so this advice is needed in society. We like to act like its not but that’s just a giant lie. Millions of humans walk among us every darn day with beyond shocking levels of lack of comprehension of the world.

[@brianreddeman951]

The base of my food pyramid is a plate because piling food on a table is a bit messy and not portable. :)

[@LindaGailLamb.0808]

👍👍

[@elineverstraeten1872]

It's actually quite obvious that the base of the pyramid should be grains, because piling food on bread is delicious and very portable.

[@brianreddeman951]

@illegit Trolling much?

[@monad_tcp]

But do you eat it?

[@afrog2666]

Get one of those foldable picnic tables, or better yet, an EDIBLE table! You could bring a pocket-table for lunch and complain at a restaurant after asking for a good table, telling them its dry, has no flavor and the texture is woody..

[@Nilguiri]

So, what you're saying is do not, under any circumstances, trust the US government to tell you the truth about anything.

[@br9760]

Rather, watch these powerful corporations with a microscope and support local business.

[@loditx7706]

Nilguiri: That is axiomatic. In my experience no one in the U.S. government ever tells the truth or admits a mistake about anything.

[@hermescarraro3393]

Yeah... How is the U.S governament not a dispotic dictature that barely allows real fredom of speech and privacy? Oh. Yeah... "Elections" 🙄

[@Nilguiri]

@@hermescarraro3393 Citizens United allows lobbyists for corporations and billionaires to litearlly bribe the politicians to do their bidding. Meanwhile, the Electoral College and Fox News literally change the result of the elections. Yeah, that sounds a real democracy! And privacy? Seriously? What a joke. haha. I rest my case. Nice try, though.

[@hermescarraro3393]

@@Nilguiri Mine was sarcasm... Wasn't it obvious? 😕

[@tomduke1297]

as far as i found out, there is nothing in grains that you dont also get from other foodgroups, making them optional. 3 years without grains and counting, i have yet to miss anything. grains are just the cheapest way to feed the working masses, itll keep you alive, but thats about it.

[@LaurArt_UK]

I believed the lie about needing wheat for so long. Turns out I'm allergic and so is my partner, my mum and a few others I know discovering this later in life. Went wheat free and gluten free and I now have higher energy levels and a stronger immune system.

[@tyokabina2829]

If potato counts as carbs, in your instance does it count among grains?

[@tomduke1297]

@@tyokabina2829 i wouldnt phrase it like that, but i eat very little carbs on purpose and therefore dont seek out potatoes. if by coincidence every blue moon there are potatoes, i feel free to have some if i want to. my base diet makes me loose about a pound per week, so i need to eat a few extras here and there to keep my weight.

[@tyokabina2829]

@@tomduke1297 that is very interesting, thanks. Pardon the wording, Im not native to speaking english.

[@tomduke1297]

@@tyokabina2829 no worries, me neither. ;)

[@Corsuwey]

There should be a section stating "Avoid overly-processed food when absolutely possible!"

[@luketurco21]

Shop around the outside isles in the supermarket and avoid the center.

[@jamesonsan8539]

Thank you so much for all that you do! A sibling of mine was in high school when the pyramid was in full force; after lobbyists got tomato sauce counted as a vegetable they were told that pizza was the ultimate super food as you could have all parts of the pyramid fulfilled. Insane.

[@dreanki]

i literally used to think that. it's really sad. i now eat 20 grams or less of carbs because of all the medical problems eating like that caused.

[@SousSherpa]

The plate diagram is basically the 4 basic food groups which was taught before they came out with the food pyramid.

[@The_Slippery_Slope_NZ]

That moment when you slowly find a lot of the things you were taught as a kid is nothing but a lie.

[@babablacksheep3950]

@Sonic Mobian Unfortunately it is already happened. Many licensed dieticians are actually promoting healthy at every size dogma to the masses now.

[@alvallac2171]

*were nothing (plural, and also correct verb tense)

[@nomoredream7689]

I got taught to eat a lot of veggies and fruit. I got recently tested and I'm fructose intolerant 😂😂 so I cannot stand fruits at all! And I kept wondering my whole life who I kept collapsing all the time and feeling tired and weak when I was eating my veggies and fruits! Now more than half of my meal is potatoes, a quarter is meat and like two small plucks of e.g. broccoli is my veggies 😂 I am all healthy now and never collapsed again. I eat fruit maybe three times a year (if I can afford to stay home the next 2 days)

[@SantosAl]

@@babablacksheep3950 They are? And we are talking about certified Dietitians and not Nutritionists?

[@babablacksheep3950]

@@SantosAl Certified dietitians... Search Christy Harrison, she's one of the well known dietitian who promote HAES. If you look at many HAES website you will find the list of registered dietitians who support their ideology there.

[@troyevitt2437]

Aliens built the food pyramid. They also built the food Stonehenge and the food Easter Island heads.

[@brianpan6453]

The Easter Island heads are made from the finest Belgian chocolate.

[@Fabformcatering]

Damn, you beat me to it.

[@gypsyjr1371]

In the early 80's I lost 180 pounds. Yes, I was morbidly obese and headed for an early grave. To do that I really had to learn how the human body process the main food types, as I also developed diabetes to the point I was insulin dependent. What I learned was that the human body converts carbohydrates (bread, many fruits, sugar, others) to blood sugar and the body stores it as fat as a hedge against a prehistoric high chance of times of famine. As much flack as Atkins has taken it turns out his eating plan (which did include vegetables etc. unlike some statements) was spot on. The amino acids and protein in meat fats are metabolized to grow muscles, which consumes blood sugar. But like I said, I lost 180 pounds over 2 years without much exercise (other than walking for general health) and find that experience more compelling than any "expert" opinion.

[@ardagus9917]

Food pyramid recommendation: 99.99% vegetables, .01% everything else Me: 99.99% MEAT, .01% everything else

[@TdrSld]

I went KETO med January and lost just over 100lbs, I changed nothing in my daily routine. I just switched to a 75% or more daily fat intake and max 50g of Carbs (most the time I'm luckly to hit 5 or 6g of Carbs in a day) all other intake is protein. I went from being on blood pressure meds to nothing, fatty liver to fully healthy liver, insulin resistant to perfect A1C levels. The sad thing is before switching to KETO I was eating as I was tough in school, we have been lied to about our diets and it's killing us.

[@lbrown21494]

@@TdrSld I'm on keto too, love it.

[@PimpMatt0]

I've always eaten high protein and good fats. Most carbs make me bloated and cause inflammation. Brown rice and veggies with yams is good enough. Never suffered with obesity.

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

I've come up with the Food-Dodecahedron, the primary group being Berneaise Sauce.

[@loditx7706]

Rikard Nilsson I prefer Hollandaise.

[@camazotzbat5970]

You have my attention.

[@Abdega]

Tell me more of your Foodecahedron kind sir

[@poppers7317]

Nice geometric food sceme body but I'm more of a Food-Pentachoron guy myself though.

[@ahobimo732]

Incorporate the requirements to eat precisely 17 tiny meals per day, and to eat exclusively while a monacle, and you will have my full support.

[@57thorns]

Long story short: If you live in the US, follow the food recommendations of any other country.

[@57thorns]

Just make sure they are _official_ recommendations from reputable scientific sources, not "6-8 slices of bread a day as recommended by the Bread Institute" (which happens to be a Swedish lobby organisation for bread makers). A lot of people thought it came from an official source like Socialstyrelsen. I believe the actualy advicefrom the dietists were "absolutely no more than 6-8 slices of bread per day"....

[@WalkingOneLegAtATime]

Or just do the exact opposite of food pyramid

[@galier2]

The food pyramid is published by the DOA (Department of AGRICULTURE) not by the Health Department. That's there already enough to know what the purpose of this publication is, not the health of the public but the health of the big-ag.

[@LSSYLondon]

Well that explains it.

[@healthyinformation]

Right. The goal was and always to seek what they want. In this case the pyramid was developed to push refined carbs on everyone

[@Firsona]

If you're in the US school system, potatoes do count as a vegetable...somehow. I have seen lunches that consist of a piece of turkey, gravy, a roll, mashed potatoes, corn and yes, a chocolate milk. And it gets the nod as healthy.

[@danielhebard1865]

At least it wasn't french fries. 🤷

[@blupunk01]

Back in the early-80s the Reagan administration changed school lunch rules to allow things like ketchup and pickle relish to count as a vegetable.

[@jonnunn4196]

​@@danielhebard1865 Turkey and Gravy would never have been mixed with fries at my school, but instead had mashed potatoes. Instead fries were served when the main item was Cheeseburgers or a sandwich. Actually the above meal has more items than you'd ever get as well except on the day before Thanksgiving.

[@coreyswenson6027]

Pfft you think that's unhealthy come to my school

[@Firsona]

@@blupunk01 they thankfully repealed that.

[@LaurArt_UK]

For those thinking, "But without dairy, where do I get calcium?" well there's a ton in nuts, seeds, pulses, green veg, dried fruit, plant milks etc. Which also contain tons of other goodies.

[@tschuutschuubahn]

Even freaking mineral water contains more calcium than milk.

[@GeckoHiker]

And don't drink soda pop, which leeches the calcium from your bones. So does eating meat.

[@CourtneyCoulson]

Plant milks are horrendously unhealthy though. Meat also contains calcium, so does bone broth. Fish has the highest concentration of calcium.

[@jimmycarburator2012]

ill stick to eating sardines whole

[@Loralanthalas]

Try explaining the same damn thing about protein

[@elinebrouwer3259]

This is something people who do a bit of research on food will soon find out but I'm very happy you're spreading the word! I just wish that people would take more action against this kind of bad information, it should be illegal for organisations to lobby in such ways, the USD (and similar institutions) should not be biased

[@thomasherzog86]

dont know about the US, but in many european countries salt is the biggest iodine source and since people are advised to eat less, it will cause the already problematic thyroid health to worsen. it worries me that no one ever mentions that.

[@blupunk01]

To get your daily intake of iodine only from iodized salt you'd only need 1/2 teaspoon a day. I can't speak the typical European diet, but the big place most health organizations recommend trimming salt is from processed food which tend to have a LOT of hidden salt and which many Americans consume a great deal of. The thing is most companies making processed foods are NOT using iodized salt, so we're usually not getting our necessary daily intake from those sources anyway.

[@lbrown21494]

Salt is not nearly as bad for you as once thought

[@lilaclizard4504]

@@blupunk01 yeh iodine is only in salt because it was put there in order to ensure people obtained enough iodine, when population wide iodine levels began to fall when iodine was replaced as the cleaning solution used in milking equipment. If a problem arose with low iodine levels in the population, it would just be added to additional staple foods like bread, or quantity of supplementation in salt increased in order to get population wide levels back to where they needed to be

[@lilaclizard4504]

@Zimmit's FunHouse Adventure what minerals do you think are in sea salt? You can get iodised sea salt, but other than that, I'm not aware of any minerals in sea salt of nutritionally relevant quantities (that's no matter how much of it you eat)

[@lilaclizard4504]

@Zimmit's FunHouse Adventure there's a lot of claims like that floating around, most commonly in recent years they particularly apply to Himalayan rock salt, which does have higher trace minerals than sea salt, but they're still nutritionally irrelevant in their quantities (and if they were high enough to be relevant, the levels of toxic substances that accompany them would be so high as to be deadly too). Sea salt is probably better due to it's lesser industrial processing & the additives that can occasionally go with that, but that in reality is probably about it. I personally only use rock salt (which is sea salt in the brand I get) because of the anti-caking agents added to table salt & cooking salt to make it flow/stop it clumping. By buying salt in rock form & using a salt grinder at the table/pot, all of those chemical additives can be avoided, while everything else remains the same :)

[@AnnoyedDragon]

I remember seeing the food pyramid in school and wondering how I was supposed to eat that much bread... even back then it didn't feel right. What a healthy diet looks like is such a difficult topic, because even if you exclude business interests and disagreements on the science; you've still got all these dietary cults who think they have the one truth. No matter what food you look at, there is always a narrative somewhere as to why it is bad for you. No matter what health claims a food makes, someone else is calling it poison and to exclude it. It really is one giant headache to try to figure out. No sooner as you think you know something, information somewhere else contradicts it. Then there are the people who don't give a toss about your health and recommend diets based on ideology...

[@mikeh2850]

Why is everyone hung up on "that's so much bread"? That's literally 3 sandwiches a day. How many meals a day? 3. Bread, vegetables, meat, and a piece of fruit on the side doesn't sound like an uncommon lunch/meal. The real problem with any system is that people will refuse to understand things.

[@AnnoyedDragon]

@Mike H The original food pyramid pushed for 6 to 11 servings of bread, cereal, rice or pasta. Your three sandwichs a day is on the lower end of it's recommendation.

[@Lianne-issa]

Totally agree.! It’s a minefield. Plus every person is different and what works well for one body doesn’t for another. I think the best way around this is to stop caring what everyone else says to do and listen to your body. I tried different lifestyles and my body told me that I need to eat low carb, high vegetable and protein… I also avoid anything that doesn’t exist in nature because thousands of years of evolution hasn’t prepared us for the man made food groups of the last 100 years. I call it an intuitive diet. Your body has no hidden agenda except keeping you healthy

[@kirknay]

I'm not surprised about this. Every time I see it, it just doesn't add up to what we actually need nutrition wise.

[@pipe2devnull]

This is an issue in Canada right now. The Conservative Party promises to review the perfectly good science based and lauded food guide (that does not promote dairy) and promises its dairy industry supporters that their unnecessary products will be featured. The party leader tells of how chocolate milk was a great help in raising his kids because they wouldn't drink it otherwise. (gasp!) Pictures show him (Andrew Scheer) chugging a litre of (irony here) 1%

[@benny_lemon5123]

I saw that clip! It was such a cringey and awkward plug. I guess we know who his government aims to serve... And like, we get it- your kid was a picky eater and chocolate milk was a help. Cool! Chocolate milk is still for sale. It's not being pulled from shelves. And just because it was a help for you and your child doesn't mean it should be featured in the food guide. Yikes.

[@Noises]

It's usually the conservatives, doesn't matter which country you go to. Bonus points if they complain incessantly and loudly about "the left" at every opportunity, including when questioned about their own conduct.

[@Kahadi]

@@Noises complaining about the other side is what both parties tend to do. I hate the conservatives (I'm Canadian like OP) but the liberals aren't doing much better. Political debates here and even ones I've heard coming from the US around their elections are full of "well, my opponent did this" and "they screwed up". Hell, current premier of Ontario's base platform was "we'll fix the debt the liberals gave us", which is ironic because the debt actually started the last time conservatives were in power and liberals promised to fix it only to make it worse (by the way, he's making it even worse). Right wing blames left and left wing blames right, rarely does either boost themselves, just attack the opponents

[@tylerh629]

While I agree it is stupid that they are trying to let industry back into the guide, there is a great argument to be made that the "plant based eating" the guide pushes is not 100% correct. There is plenty of science showing that a diet with a good balance between veggies and animal based protein and fats is great for health. Scheer is right when he says that there are ideologues pushing plant based and ignoring the broader scientific picture. The new guide is essentially the same "high carb" diet of the old American food guide. Seriously, look at it and you will see at least 70% of the things on the plate are high carb.

[@zacksima8333]

Yeah... as a Canadian, even though I’m not too content with the conservatives Trudeau isn’t doing much better... he’s worried about creating terminology and new bathrooms for new genders...

[@toyjesus]

When I was a kid in the 90s they taught us about this pyramid and even tested us on it.

[@Juanito_Peligroso]

When I was in elementary school we had a 200 page hardcover textbook based entirely off of the 90’s food pyramid. I used to love the little pictures of specific foods on each level. The fruit and vegetable level was an optical paradise. “When I get rich I’m gonna live on the fruit and vegetable level of the pyramid.”

[@skipper4126]

The Four basic food groups: Beans Bacon Whiskey Lard - Cookie, on his way too Atlantis.

[@MidnightMagpie73]

hah I so thought of Cookie. I miss him .-.

[@rembrandt972ify]

The correct food group list is: Beer Pizza Doritos More Beer

[@Zulk_RS]

You're all wrong. The correct food groups are: -Fruit -Dairy -Beef Jerky -Garden Hose

[@HUNKragor]

What the hell is oregano?

[@marblesthecat3861]

*Sugar *Bread *Caffeine *Grease There, I fixed it....

[@Massimospqr]

Pyramid, plate, charts...we can have a nicely food pattern in one sentence: avoid processed and any man made products! It might be sad, but the best recommendation

[@TheLastCockney]

I was with you up to the point when you said carbohydrates are an essential part of the diet, they are not! Many of us with insulin resistance (pre diabetes) are thriving on a low to no carb ketogenic diet. The US Institute of Medicine has stated: “The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed.”

[@TurfingByTitch]

100% 👏🏼🙌🏼 Most have developed and eat for enjoyment rather than survival now. Most, not all 😉 🍖 🥩🧂💧👌🏼

[@primoroy]

"Fool's pyramid?" was my FIRST reading! 🤣😅😂

[@MidoriyamaRArekusu]

primoroy it’s not inaccurate, though.

[@horse14t]

That should be the real name of it XD

[@JaveLester]

"Eat your 'food' as if it is your medicine, don't wait up to the point where you eat your 'medicine' as your food."

[@fastfiddler1625]

Yeah, I've pretty much decided not to listen to anything the government tells me because they'd rather keep lobbyists happy than do what's right.

[@Saracinderallasushis]

It's what the corporations decided what was best for them. Now we all know(?) that fasting is better and cheaper for you.

[@Kahadi]

Not quite. Science is looking into details regarding that. If done right, yes, fasting can be very healthy, but its not necessarily better or the best option

[@Saracinderallasushis]

tubefan90000 Yes, quite! Fasting is better then what the corporate lobbyists came up with! Science has already spoken, a lot of the diets and good foods were lies and deceit developed from corrupt greedy corporations then given to corrupt politicians.

[@Kahadi]

@@Saracinderallasushis I'm not saying fasting is a bad idea, just that there's more to making it work than people think, research isn't extensive enough to say the best way to manage, and there are other lifestyles that science also backs. The research on everything isn't conclusive enough to say its the best, just a better option than people used to think and a better option than the corporate deceit people are told

[@aff77141]

I think one important distinction to make about dairy is that just because you don't need it, doesn't mean it isn't good for you. Too much of it can be a bad thing, but it isn't wasted calories, milk used to literally be my breakfast back when I couldn't keep anything else down in the morning

[@MartintheTinman]

Is eighteen litres a week too much?

[@c.d.dailey8013]

Woah. I had no idea this was going on. It is so messed up. We should use pure objective science to determine nutrition. If that hurts the bottom line of the food companies, than that is just too darn bad. II am learning so much about nutrition lately, stuff I was never taught in school. maybe the food companies are spreading misinformation to gain profit. That is messed up.

[@valasafantastic1055]

Not ‘maybe’ they 100% are spreading false information for profit. No maybe.

[@Jolis_Parsec]

Where do Mountain Dew and Doritos fall on this pyramid? After all, it’s the signature meal for gamers everywhere. 😆

[@Uradamus]

At the very top and bottom. Both are basically corn and salt.

[@Joostinonline]

Doritos are shaped like a pyramid so they cover everything, and Mountain Dew has water in it which is essential. Perfect diet.

[@MAGGOT_VOMIT]

*I like Sun-Drop better than Mountain Dew. Mt Dew seems thicc and makes me wanna hock-a-loogey. Doritos are for givin' your missin' tooth area a good stabbin', as a reminder to brush your teeth.*

[@MichaelGGarry]

You may mean American gamers, the rest of the world don't eat that crap. We have our own crap instead!

[@TeamLegacyFTW]

Lame stereotype. None of the gamers I win with consume that crap. That's moreso a teenage-20s thing, not gamers as a whole.

[@elizabetherne556]

My dad was a kid when they placed out that pyramid. He said he noticed that’s when people started getting bigger. People did not eat all the grains and dairy until then. Goes to show the government doesn’t always have the people’s best interest. The obesity issue started decades ago.

[@bri-manhunter2654]

These lobbyist need to be held accountable to the highest degree!!

[@vancel35]

This is what happens when everything has a profit motive. Unregulated capitalism isn't always the best option. There are things that shouldn't be driven by profit.

[@voidsassin7607]

My dietician always used the food pyramid as a purely "you need something of all these parts" guide but not what amount. I actually received a seperate schematic where it actually had an advice of 3 to 4 carbohydrate servings a day and now that makes loads of sense. I was also surprised by the "high" fat allowance as I was always conditioned to think fats were bad. As a vegetarian, it made me way less anxious about my intake of eggs and other high fat high protein foods (as they go hand in hand a lot of the time). Glad my dietician had a brain and listened to science instead of a corrupt big business model.

[@NitroIndigo]

A lot of people in this comments section said they were better off with no carbohydrates. Huh.

[@CuriousFrog]

Should have mentioned Ancel Keys and the damage he did to modern nutrition

[@tylerh629]

@Peter Rabitt No. No it does not increase heart disease. No It was not misused. He studied 22 countries and found that there was NO relation to dietary saturated fat and heart disease as you had countries like France with super high saturated fat intake and low heart disease and Ukraine with low saturated fat intake and high heart disease. HE HIMSELF published only the 7 countries that showed a clear line and supported his theory when the 22 countries showed no such line. They DID show, however, a perfect line showing SUGAR causes heart disease. Here is a great and well cited article explaining new science about saturated fat. www.healthline.com/nutrition/saturated-fat-good-or-bad

[@drewpamon]

@Peter Rabitt maybe if you're a rabbit. However humans have no problem processing saturated fats and cholesterol.

[@comradefernandomandrake5822]

Peter Rabitt you are wrong. Carbs and seed oils cause heart disease. Saturated fat is good for you.

[@hgm8337]

Peter Rabitt I thought only small density ldl was deemed bad these days,and that fat, saturated or otherwise, is the only one of the three food macros that doesn’t spike your insulin/ Modern research suggests that your fasting blood triglyceride levels are much more important than your ldl level, and statin-lowering ldl drugs are only attacking the symptoms, not the causes, of arterial plaque. Some convincingly argue that indeed statins be worsening the situation... Google any lecture by British cardiologist Dr Mahotra , and see if that changes your mind on saturated fats

[@ceicli]

I agree, but perhaps he left it out because it was about the pyramid. Although it did influence the place at the pyramid.

[@maddiefield382]

It would really suck if I actually had to eat dairy cause I literally can't digest it

[@nomoredream7689]

Want to die along with me? I'm fructose intolerant.. so avoid fruits and veggies... also I'm lactose intolerant too...

[@kalumW]

@@nomoredream7689 fun fact: fructose is only found in processed fruits and sugary foods. So go nuts with natural sugars in fresh fruits and such!

[@kalumW]

@@nomoredream7689 also, technically everyone is fructose intolerant because we aren't evolved to digest it as it was only introduced half a century ago as an artificial sweetener

[@nomoredream7689]

@@kalumW well mate i do have my own apples and stuff from our garden but i still get sick from it.... so are you really sure about that?

[@SCP--rj8hm]

@@nomoredream7689 certain species of fruit have some, while others don't.

[@ecaterinavisan8178]

I remember learning about the food piramide somewhere in the second or third grade. Granted in my country lactose base foods are still put in the same category as meat&eggs. That aside its the same as in the US. After the teacher tolled us the importante of everything I remember asking her why the junk food was in top? She said its the smallest portion of the piramide so it shows its the least important. But even as a kid that made no sense to me. Why put the least important in the very top and not the most important instead? Why add junkfood at all for that matter? We could cut literary all of it from our diet and if anything it would only do is good. I think it should be redone, and fully take out junk food. Cut off from the importance of grain too for that matter. Most of them are hardly healthy for us. Not saying to fully give up, but make them less common.

[@profwaldone]

Also put fruits with candy as the high sugar content in them negates any health benefit from them.

[@hannatoribio]

I was expecting him to say "Hey Vsauce, Michael here!" when I opened the video, instead I got a british accent.

[@goodnight63]

I was scrolling through KZbin, saw him, blinked, and it changed to this dude. Haha

[@purplenurple6278]

Same 😭

[@ericstoverink6579]

I don't understand why people think they look alike.

[@TehObLiVioUs]

@@ericstoverink6579 it's the beard and bald head look, totally Michael.... AND GLASSES, YES.

[@starlinguk]

Weird, the food pyramid I was taught had veg at the base, not carbs.

[@geofff.3343]

You're a lot younger than most people who grew up with the carb-base pyramid.

[@blupunk01]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess by your use of "veg" that you're not American. The USDA's official food pyramid had carbohydrates at the base until 2005.

[@AmberZak83]

Ours was veg at the bottom too. Uk here.

[@caseyneil6470]

I remember being taught the food pyramid in school and thinking "This makes no sense..."

[@RuthCuadrado]

This is infuriating. America, how can you claim to be the champions pf democracy when companies are literally killing you with the support of the govt?

[@rexsexson5349]

Yeah i agree. America is a great thought on paper. However, our government debunks that. Just ridiculous.

[@tylerh629]

Because America is NOT A DEMOCRACY. It is a constitutional republic founded on free enterprise. For gods sake, you were not even supposed to have 1/4 of the government you have. The founding fathers wanted private enterprise to do everything and keep government small. This is what is meant by "freedom" as it is laid out in the constitution. To be free of government tyranny so you may work and bear the fruit of your own labor. Did it work out well? No. The founding fathers could not have seen how stupid people would become and how big businesses would become.

[@markan7550]

@@tylerh629 A "republic" is a democracy. You poor pathetic illiterate troll. Learn English or go back to whatever shithole country you come from. And buy a dictionary.

[@brandonlyon730]

If you think this an America only problem then your extremely ignorant. All governments around the world are influenced by one thing or another wherever from big corporations or just making the regular populace happy. Even in place where lobbying is illegal there are still unhanded methods corporations influence politicans and lawmakers. And this is not only an American problem.

[@lilaclizard4504]

@@tylerh629 freedom & democracy go hand in hand. If you are not a democracy, you are not a free country! & America's democratic status is sharply declining, it is no longer rated as a full democracy/fully free country, but rather only a "flawed democracy" at this stage, with a rating of only 86 out of 100, not even in the top 30 most free & democratic countries in the world & steadily heading towards dictatorship, due mostly to stuff like what is explained in this video. I mean obviously trump's given it a very hard hit too, but the freedom house study points out that the decline began long before that & trump is a symptom not the cause

[@eduardomorales8443]

That's what I've been saying all this years!!! But I'm always been pushed down by my teachers and classmates

[@alvallac2171]

*these years (plural and pronounced differently) *I've always been

[@petesahad3028]

The human body: stores excess calories as saturated fat for clean and natural energy during bad times. Food pyramid: 70% carbs, no saturated fat Nature: "am i a joke to you?"

[@RobKinneySouthpaw]

Before watching, I *had* noticed that food pyramid charts are put out by the department of Agriculture and not Health and Human Services. Kind of different mandates.

[@lazyhomebody1356]

My dad worked for the govt as an agricultualist and was sent to Argentina for 6 months to teach ranchers the best crops to grow in their soil. The dept of Agriculture is ALL about health. Cuts of beef have the USDA stamp

[@tazlion2322]

So in the end Health and making sure people got to stay healthier and happier didn't really matter money did SHOCKER.

[@zhoubiden6003]

I tried telling people about this at my school and literally not a single person believed me even though the food pyramid is obviously wrong and the lobbyists made it to get more sales. Tragic world we live in

[@JustinY.]

*Kelloggs laughs in the distance*

[@General12th]

@Daniel C Mate, what the hell?

[@billyvonderburg7351]

@@General12th don't worry I'm reporting him

[@jtzoonie2552]

its so funny, the idea is to eat when you need it. your intake should be proportional to the work you do.. there is no magic intake of stuff

[@codediporpal]

I just give my dog food and let her run around. 8 years later she's still a fit weight. I'm sure that behind my back she is weighing her food, and monitoring her calories expended. There is no possible way to maintain an appropriate weight without careful measurement.

[@Hitsugix]

I agree and handle it like this, but many people still eat to certain times (8 a.m. breakfast, 12 p.m. lunch, 4 p.m. coffee & cake, 8 p.m. dinner) instead of just eating when they are actually hungry. They also tend to eat more than they should.

[@dinoactual]

For women: “THINNER, Leaner, Stronger” For men: “BIGGER, Leaner, Stronger.” Do I smell sexism?

[@sashimster3243]

How is that sexist?

[@dinoactual]

Sashimi Think about it. Why do women get the “Thinner” book? As if that’s a woman’s only goal when she works out. Or why does the guy get “Bigger”. As if it’s the man’s job to be buff, while it’s the woman’s job to be thin. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@sashimster3243]

@@dinoactual It's literally just shitty for everybody, nothing sexist about it.

[@matthewfarrell317]

@Hannah Raymond-Jones Lol always find people like you amazing, and really it smells of sexism that you deny basic biology. Men will naturally bulk up, and mostly want to, while women want to keep a leaner figure (and unless they have something like PCOS are never going to put on the muscle mass like the guys). Also for women it is better to be leaner anyways with lower cancer risks etc.

[@thepencilcunts]

@@matthewfarrell317 It's not even just humans, most mammalian males desire that kind of figure in their females, and females desire that kind of figure in males too.

[@AdrianParsons]

There were Arctic peoples that got by for millennia while eating a virtually pure meat diet so diets are *highly* malleable.

[@al_pastorbradley8647]

Well diets depend on your lifestyle. Running around stabbing seals and sleeping in ice holes probably requires alot of calories. But if you are an average American, eating a couple double cheseburgers for lunch everyday will not be good for your health.

[@Wylde483]

@@al_pastorbradley8647 Right, and it's specifically because seal meat/blubber contains a lot of fat that you'd need to consume to not freeze to death

[@sunnysea24]

@@al_pastorbradley8647 Additionally they ate (still eat?) stuff like raw seal brains which had a totally different nutritional profile than a processed beef patty. All in all though it just ties back to the idea that dietary needs are a rather complex subject.

[@Finn-uz2fv]

@@al_pastorbradley8647 I could not agree more.

[@ahiwalter9153]

@ Adrian Parsons i really wish you wouldn’t go around making irresponsible statements like this

[@anthonylipke7754]

I'm one of those nuts using keto to control my blood sugar and so far so good. Improved cholesterol even.

[@Suuperflie]

Anthony Lipke After 4.5 months of keto i was taken off blood pressure and cholesterol meds. It works!

[@miss_xenia_]

Keto is not a long term solution! Please check multiple sources 🤗 Plant Proof has a couple of podcast episodes on keto as well. Science based of course

[@anthonylipke7754]

@@miss_xenia_ I'm curious how you mean. From what I've found so far. Dieting for weight loss generally isn't sustainable. Vegetarians changing diet for strong personal convictions is something different. Keto has a little long term data from epileptic patients. So far I'm sticking to it and my blood work shows the control I'm looking for. I'm aware my likelihood for keeping this up is low. I've done various diets before and this is the most success I've had and is the best documented way to control blood sugar I have found. It can be done plant based but it's even more restrictive and difficult from my perspective. Over all if I thought I could stick to a vegetarian diet with a lot of blood checks I expect that would be best.

[@impishrebel5969]

@@miss_xenia_ Don't mistake keto diets people go on for weight loss, for the ketogenic diet created for seizures. Most people don't require the very strict variety for seizures. Keto diet is also recommended for people with PCOS and the associated insulin resistance and vitamin deficiencies. Keto is also closest to the diets used by early 20th century people before Ancel Keys and his falsified studies came along and essentially caused the obesity epidemic. Fat and protein will actually make you feel full, eating salad after salad will make you feel like you're starving, because you are, and that is why "dieting" doesn't work.

[@user-ll5cb1nr3d]

Nope,keto is not long term. It only worked for almost 200,000 years or more + people like the Inuit who only had access to meat (until the white men came of course...) Keto is the correct human diet. It is how we are supposed to eat in the wild. Ketones are the primary human fuel. Carbs were mostly seasonal (fruit here and there,honey if you can find it...) And not in abundance. People's health is broken nowadays because we are not using our body in the way it was intended to. Plenty of physical activity and keto.

[@RocketCouch]

Once for school I had to make a meal plan according to the food pyramid. I put all of my food on the first day so that I could fill the other 6 with junk.

[@uncleswell]

It's a food TRIANGLE, people. A pyramid needs at least three sides.

[@MrDannyDetail]

And how many sides does a triangle have then? I suspect you are thinking of faces rather than sides, but in that instance a triangular based pyramid will have four faces (including the face that is being the base), and a square based one will have five faces (again including the base), and in fact you could potentially go beyond square bases to any numbers of side you want, but you cannot reduce the face that is the base to less than three sides, and therefore there have to be at least four faces.

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

@@MrDannyDetail Why so wordy ? Triangle is in 2D, pyramid in 3D. That's it. He's right, since there is only one dimension to consider.

[@MrDannyDetail]

@@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски A) That was probably one of the shortest replies I've ever written on youtube, as many of my others are several paragraphs, and sometimes rather longer still! B) I'm not convinced that Josh W was merely pointing out that pyramids are three dimensional, and that triangles are two dimensional, but concede that it is at least possible that that was what he meant. C) I wasn't necessarily saying he was wrong to say that it was a triangle. I happen to agree with that, for the reason you so concisely and accurately gave. I was only questioning his second statement, since it appeared not to be accuarate, even if 'sides' were assumed to be 'faces'. As I say I now concede that he could have actually meant 'dimensions' rather than 'sides' or 'faces'.

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

@@MrDannyDetail A) Indeed. B) Indeed. C) Indeed. :) Fair enough ! Have a nice day !

[@ghostnoodle9721]

Eat until you're full If you feel sick, eat healthier If you still feel sick, try more working out If you still feel sick, I am sorry you have the flu

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

"until you're full" No. You should stop before that or you risk becoming (or staying) overweight.

[@spakwi]

I'm Swedish and the way you pronounced some names are hilarious.

[@gaberielpendragon]

But those books do push the idea that men should be big and muscly and women should be small and thin. Even if they are good nutrition books peoples genetics don't really line up with those two stereotypes. Nutrition various significantly based on a number of factors with genetics being top of the list.

[@novawilde1371]

I am so shocked at the sexist titles of these books, mostly that this channel is promoting them and not mentioning that sexism o_O Even if they are good "scientific" books, those titles not only say otherwise, but make me want to run in the opposite direction.

[@jonathansturm4163]

Important to realise that men’s and women’s nutritional needs differ. Menstruation means there’s a helluva lot more iron needed by adult females. Children need more protein than a fully mature adult, something every livestock farmer knows. This is one area where one size fits all is just totally wrong.

[@maggiee639]

When I was in high school my a&p teacher made us track our diets on a really antiquated (even in 2007) calorie counter thing on the FDAs website. Do you realize how many servings of bread 10 servings is?! You have to actually try really hard to follow the traditional food pyramid.

[@MrTechnova]

That's why I went keto lost over 100lbs cured my type 2 diabetes, and felt so much better, never looking back at the standard american diet ever again.

[@kevinbyrne4538]

Thank you for exposing the vast body of lies that permeate the subject of nutrition.

[@bnbcraft6666]

I remember seeing the food pyramid when I was in Elementary school and I thought it was weird seeing that it said to eat more grain then fruits and vegetables

[@alvallac2171]

*than (comparison)

[@marvinschmitz3442]

I was lucky because I grew up on a farm in the midwest, all through my school years from 1960 to 1971 my noon meal was from the cafeteria, good food, but thanks to being on a farm if my meat intake lacked in school I made up for it at Moms evening super. That allowed me to be one of the strongest guys in the state. One time my Dad noticed our cows were nibliing bark from a tree and stated what nourishment they may be lacking. That statement promted me to realize just eat whatever your body craves that you can afford to buy, and let the feds eat cake.