How Do German Schools Teach About WWII?

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@TodayIFoundOut
@TodayIFoundOut 4 жыл бұрын
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@worri3db3ar
@worri3db3ar 4 жыл бұрын
After watching this it, now has me curious about how colonial countries/states taught history during colonialism and after said country/state change how they teach their country/state's history.
@dedmanzombie
@dedmanzombie 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting I've wondered what it was like and you gave great insight to that cause well here in America I feel it's very opposite we always portray ourselves as the great victor who stops all tyranny goin on As an American though I don't agree while our involvement in many a conflict has most likely stopped many a horrible thing from continuing i think all global powers need to really get together to make the world a much better place no one is better than anyone else we all bleed red and we all need to come together to make the short time we currently have to make things great for the ones to come and tbh we've done a terrible job Bring peace to all you encounter and share in the joy that is real humanity
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@nxj18xbmc 4 жыл бұрын
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@thetruthwillout9094
@thetruthwillout9094 4 жыл бұрын
History, no matter how bad, should never be brushed under the carpet or changed. We can not change history. How are we supposed to learn from our mistakes otherwise? I wish the left would realise this.
@rockylewis5218
@rockylewis5218 4 жыл бұрын
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@Wufgang
@Wufgang 4 жыл бұрын
I went through the german school system and i can say, this is quite accurate. I do however disagree a bit on the "original sin" point. We were never told that what happened is in any way our fault or even really related to us. What was strongly implied however was that it is our "duty" to make sure nothing like that ever happens again.
@creativedesignation7880
@creativedesignation7880 4 жыл бұрын
True. There was no talk of sin at all, rather of resposibility. The responsibility of our teachers to inform us about what had happened and by extension not allowing for this history to be forgotten, aswell as our collective resposibility not repeat what our ancestors did.
@ShadowKueken
@ShadowKueken 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, its not "our fault" , its always "our responsibility"
@lenkacfk7155
@lenkacfk7155 4 жыл бұрын
When did you attend school? I went from 1980-93, and back then, they still made us feel a little guilty about the Nazi-regime. It was also often used in politics, by other countries trying to get Germany to make concessions by pulling the Nazi card... Attitudes changed a lot after the reunification, I think.
@Wufgang
@Wufgang 4 жыл бұрын
@@lenkacfk7155 i finished in 2016 (i think lol) and i didnt really feel like they were trying to guilt trip us. Might have been different back then.
@MrMyzel
@MrMyzel 4 жыл бұрын
@@Wufgang yeah today the schools also focus a little more on what the germans went through before the nazis. it's no surprise to me, that they wanted revenge and domination.
@Julewlt
@Julewlt 3 жыл бұрын
As a german who is currently in 10th grade I can say that we don’t talk about the World Wars only in History class but in several different classes on different levels
@minerskills
@minerskills 3 жыл бұрын
Even though the history class is probably the class which makes the damage done by the nazis extremely visible. Next on my list would be German but that probably depends on the book you read
@Julewlt
@Julewlt 3 жыл бұрын
@@minerskills in our school it’s actually religious education
@smileyxd6240
@smileyxd6240 3 жыл бұрын
I'm German as well and I can totally agree. Of course, it was a very important topic in history class, but we also discussed it in German, Politics, Music, Religion and French class
@fumo9980
@fumo9980 3 жыл бұрын
You gonna learn about it more in your Abitur
@ze_georgedraws4962
@ze_georgedraws4962 3 жыл бұрын
Same but Im in 8th Grade I can say that we had a whole hour talk about the mustached man in economics it is pretty weird but hey at least we’re discussing it and we will learn about it in 9th Grade I believe 🤷🏻‍♂️
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@TexasRed649 4 жыл бұрын
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@jesuschrist2612 4 жыл бұрын
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@alfr1 4 жыл бұрын
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@bennyboiart7781
@bennyboiart7781 4 жыл бұрын
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@rea9473
@rea9473 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@daisho509
@daisho509 Жыл бұрын
Crazy to think that I hated sitting through lectures like this in school, but as an adult when I actually WANT to learn things, it's the most fascinating thing on the planet.
@kesenex2883
@kesenex2883 Жыл бұрын
Its more like its fun to learn on our own terms and not being forced to by an education system
@toooydoeur
@toooydoeur Жыл бұрын
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
@trav_dakiller8969
@trav_dakiller8969 Жыл бұрын
As a freshman nah KZbin just makes it better becuase you are not forced to do it it’s hard to explain and I love learning about history and etc also we get to choose what to learn about not have a schedule for when and how
@fruitlandgrizzly
@fruitlandgrizzly Жыл бұрын
Most schools do a very poor job and making information engaging
@trav_dakiller8969
@trav_dakiller8969 Жыл бұрын
@@fruitlandgrizzly 📠
@MrMielten
@MrMielten 3 жыл бұрын
I am a German History teacher and I focus on two things mainly: a) the events and flaws which led to Hitler's chancellorship and how he managed to turn a democracy into a dictatorship (to make them aware of the dangers democracy may face in the future) and b) the Holocaust (how ordinary people could turn into heartless killers)
@MrMielten
@MrMielten 3 жыл бұрын
@MR.random57 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪
@gigirigips
@gigirigips 3 жыл бұрын
Do you also teach kids about the Communist Party and who were its leaders after the WWI ? Is it allowed to talk about the German citizens from Danzig and how Polish administration threaten them with cutting all ways of traveling on Polish soil to and from Germany ? Is there any chapter dedicated to ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia , from the Sudeten Mountains , who were humiliated and beaten on the streets just because they were Germans ? I hope you do not . It is impossible to explain WW2 without explaining how in the WW1 German people had to fight and die in another war of another country who inslaved surrounding nations for hundreds of years , another German country that created its own empire and did not take responsibility for its own actions . I cannot find a purpose or a way how to tell kids that after WW1 all Europe hated ethnic Germans because of Austria . How to tell kids that Germany was punished severely after the WW1 instead of Austria and the communists took advantage of the situation creating more instability ? Kids do not care about politics . WW1 and WW2 are like a football game , you cannot talk only about the second half , better remove this chapter completely from the books than lying about it .
@MrMielten
@MrMielten 3 жыл бұрын
@@gigirigips Do you mean the communist leaders Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht who were both killed by conservative secret service members in Germany? Tells us a lot about the democratic attitude of the Conservatives, doesn`t it? 😉🤣🤣
@gigirigips
@gigirigips 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrMielten Yep ! Apparently both possibilities were bad . The thing is all Europe had national parties at the time and the only multiethnic party was the Communist Party . What is a national party ? It is a party made entirely out of citizens that are ethnics of that country and could not accept members that do not meet this criteria . Considering the social and economical conditions in Germany after the Great War , with the national pride shaken , it was easy for any national party to rise into power . So , why the Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ? Easy ! Because the other national parties did nothing for social security or to improve life in Germany a little bit at least and the only active party was the Communist Party . Well , in that time in Germany lived a lot of other non-Germans and they were part of society too , but they had no party to get in or to represent them , so the only option for them was the Communist Party . From this point it is easy to understand why most of the communist leaders were Jews and how this thing was exploited by the Nazis turning slowly the propaganda against communism into propaganda against its leaders and because most of the audience was hungry and angry and looking for someone to blame for losing the war and for all that came after , people just associated the danger of communism with the "foreigners" and put all the evil in behalf of communist leaders and later extended the hate to all Jews , communists or not . When the mind is blinded by hatred mixed with false pride and hunger and it is very likely to overreact and take the wrong decisions . All this chain of awful events that happened to Germany was triggered by Austria in 1914 when Franz Ferdinand was killed and culminated with the split of Germany during the Cold War .
@Ultamami
@Ultamami 3 жыл бұрын
@@gigirigips *enslaved
@bikkiikun
@bikkiikun 4 жыл бұрын
Acknowledging ones mistake is infinitely more honourable and glorious, than trying to bury them or lie about them.
@bigdaddygibbs251
@bigdaddygibbs251 4 жыл бұрын
Wish half of America understood this
@ramsa01Yt
@ramsa01Yt 4 жыл бұрын
I live in Lithuania, country, which was occupied in WW2 by RUSSIANS first (pact between Molotov and Ribentrop) and then Germans. I won’t go into the details of soviet education or rather indoctrination based on lies - our parents and grandparents worked hard to persuade us, kids that what we hear at schools are shameful lies. My impression of grandparents thoughts was that they thought Germans were rather saviors than true occupants. My parents didn’t think Germans were bad because of ADolf Hitler, because Stalin was ten times worse. The rest of the world still doesn’t know how many people have been killed by soviets. The soviets themselves did not bother to count. That leaves us with the present day. As Lithuanian, I always respected Germany and germans, I liked their country and culture. Unfortunately, I see the souls of german people are crippled: they are not proud of their country and history. I recognize indoctrination when I see it. Maybe german people themselves do not feel like been castrated, their national pride removed, but I know Merkel would never happen if majority of German population would not feel certain way. I saw here removing national flag, I saw her making crime if bringing millions of immigrants to Germany, I saw her lying to her people. What I fear is that Germans will have to flee their own country. We will shelter them, of course, but it makes me mad how country can be lost without a war, without much of resistance. Socialism/feminism is a cancer. I wonder whether it can be stopped before destruction of this civilization.
@brown-eyedcheese5440
@brown-eyedcheese5440 4 жыл бұрын
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@ankaplanka
@ankaplanka 4 жыл бұрын
@@ramsa01Yt The second wave feminism was the good one. This current wave is rather messed up. It was created originally to help women gain the rights they deserve. The ones who put everyone else down are just assholes. The feminists who acknowledges the problems men face, along with LGBT+ people, etc. So the thing itself should never be stopped. It's the third toxic wave which needs to be stopped.
@angelomma2155
@angelomma2155 4 жыл бұрын
*Cough cough* japan
@francis7336
@francis7336 3 жыл бұрын
"How do German schools teach about WWII?" Me, a German: Interesting question, let's find out
@fabi3790
@fabi3790 3 жыл бұрын
When you forgot everything you learnt in school so we have to watch this video I mostly remember that we were though about the cold war and the differences between east and west germany etc Idk what exactly we learned about the wars But I remember that almost every student teached himself something so everyone could say something
@shiro4833
@shiro4833 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@000CherryBlossom000
@000CherryBlossom000 3 жыл бұрын
Unser Lehrer hat jahrelang nur WW2 durchgenommen und ich konnte es irgendwann nicht mehr hören :/
@Oncer_Soldier_
@Oncer_Soldier_ 3 жыл бұрын
Same xD
@Oncer_Soldier_
@Oncer_Soldier_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@000CherryBlossom000 ich musste zweimal durch. Einmal in der Mittelstufe und einmal in der Oberstufe
@martinlarkin8066
@martinlarkin8066 Жыл бұрын
I visited Dachau concentration camp once and a school party was there. The teacher was describing in detail what happened there. Some kids were visibly shocked and one was crying. The teacher didn't try to comfort than. She let the horror of the place sink in. You can guarantee that those kids will never forget what they learnt that day!
@theCosmicQueen
@theCosmicQueen Жыл бұрын
in the usa we were shown movies documentairies, about the concentration camps. i remember it , and we all learned what we will not allow to happen here either. but it is sometimes falsley described , so it must be done truthfully . we saw a lot of stacked up corpses etc and other horrible things. It was so scarey . " Night and Fog"
@belletaunde102
@belletaunde102 Жыл бұрын
@@theCosmicQueen same. American schools did a good job of drilling the horrors of nazi camps.
@pjtaintz
@pjtaintz Жыл бұрын
I'm an American who visited back in 2008 and to this day, it was one of the most humbling things in my life There is still a smell when you are there that unless you have been you can't understand.
@pjtaintz
@pjtaintz Жыл бұрын
​@theCosmicQueen it's crazy to think it can't happen here when we literally did that to the japs at the time
@mandibiedermann2246
@mandibiedermann2246 Жыл бұрын
Dachau is an disgusting propaganda invented by England and USA to guilty the German people, all victims there were dead German soldiers and people showed as Jews to brainwashing all other European people
@ThePrisoner881
@ThePrisoner881 4 жыл бұрын
You should do one called "How Do Japanese Schools Teach About WWII?" You'll find it's very, very different. And that's putting it gently.
@ComdrStew
@ComdrStew 4 жыл бұрын
I have a couple friends from Japan. They were never taught about WW2. When they moved to the US they were surprised we were once at war with them.
@edward3320
@edward3320 4 жыл бұрын
Unit 731
@kyoukotoshino5600
@kyoukotoshino5600 4 жыл бұрын
They don't
@devinboysen6814
@devinboysen6814 4 жыл бұрын
The US send big sun bomb
@mailysh.jenkins6565
@mailysh.jenkins6565 4 жыл бұрын
Fair enough even we in Germany basically skip over all of the 'oh and there were allies and we called ourselves axis powers' part. I only learned about that because our teacher had a Japanese wife and then when I changed the school a year later (in history class we now learn about the aftermath) my new history teacher basically fell from his seat when I asked "and what happened to Japan??" Turns out some history teachers don't even know...
@Listoric
@Listoric 3 жыл бұрын
Also the movie “Die Welle” (The Wave) is commonly shown in school. It’s a movie about a teacher who tries to show his students, that even now they might be more accepting of Nazi tactics than they like to think.
@JK-jj8fs
@JK-jj8fs 3 жыл бұрын
Oh I remember, my school actually performed a play of this book and we read it in class, for me it was even before we started talking about ww2
@pixiewitch517
@pixiewitch517 3 жыл бұрын
By the way: The book bases on a true story from a teacher in die US who made this experiment with his students because they thought that this couldn't happen again and he wants to proof them otherwise. When the experiment went terrible wrong he was getting arrested. In the original book there's an interview with this teacher when he was in prison.
@Benderofdemise
@Benderofdemise 3 жыл бұрын
F*cking good movie.
@cinemaatrium3863
@cinemaatrium3863 3 жыл бұрын
There are more than one movie called the wave.
@SydneysDrawings
@SydneysDrawings 3 жыл бұрын
We actually also read the book in german class and also watched the movie. It still gives me the chills how all of this could just happen all over again...
@new_romemusic4212
@new_romemusic4212 3 жыл бұрын
Having visited Germany in 2016, as part of a exchange programme... they wear their history on their sleeve. They are not proud of it, but they will not deny it. One of the German students I spoke to told me how they must always strive to ensure they never go back to that. They are truly committed to being fantastic people. Wish I had kept contact with my host family, I'd like to make more German friends.
@myron8676
@myron8676 3 жыл бұрын
Of course they won’t deny it wtf 😂 damn near everyone knows about wwII , if they were to deny it they’d look like hypocrites maybe like sympathizers any smart German would definitely not deny it
@new_romemusic4212
@new_romemusic4212 3 жыл бұрын
@@myron8676 And Japan should probably take queues from Germany on that front
@ethans7914
@ethans7914 2 жыл бұрын
@@myron8676 as much as this angers and enrages me there are Americans who dont believe that the Holocaust happened...WW2 hurts their feelings and it scares me so much as personally i love history and my kids WILL know the real history when i feel like theyll comprehend it. I dont know if by then they will even teach it in schools here at least what really happened because this can never happen again
@JoeMcknart69
@JoeMcknart69 2 жыл бұрын
@@myron8676 the US, particularly the south, has been denying our racist past for the last couple centuries...don't think people won't deny it.
@ItsMe-ic7on
@ItsMe-ic7on 2 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMcknart69 don't understand what their problem is about accepting and moving on and trying to be better. Don't understand why they wouldn't actually deny something like that and makes no sense to me. Unless they figured denial makes the shame go away. And yet it doesn't
@roni4398
@roni4398 Жыл бұрын
I'm Polish, and I visited Auschwitz a couple of times (it's located within the Polish borders). I was very happy to see many German tourists there! They were very respectful and kind.
@blacktriangle388
@blacktriangle388 28 күн бұрын
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@randycastillo4530
@randycastillo4530 22 күн бұрын
I'm looking forward to my visit next year!
@Hobbyimker
@Hobbyimker 4 жыл бұрын
As a German who went trough the German school system, I can say: The video is quite on point, well done.
@LadyNikitaShark
@LadyNikitaShark 4 жыл бұрын
At what age do you start to learn about that part of history?
@IksEnwie
@IksEnwie 4 жыл бұрын
9 - Age 14/15 is holocaust. i think the whole timeperiod including ww1 is starting 8th(maybe 7) class. but in the 9th class you mostly only have WW2 in historyclass
@bort_1265
@bort_1265 4 жыл бұрын
@@LadyNikitaShark if I remember correctly, I was 13 when the NS regime was first thought in school. Should be grade 7 or 8. Many schools will do trips to concentration camps when the students are older
@Blackstaralpha
@Blackstaralpha 4 жыл бұрын
@@LadyNikitaShark As this is rather recent history its taught later in school - for me (Realschule) around the age of 15. It's not just history class though we also read books in German lessons (my German teacher was also my histrory teacher so I am not sure how universal this is :_))
@howzeman
@howzeman 4 жыл бұрын
​@@LadyNikitaShark as soon as we learned reading, we red a book about it elementary school. I think it was 2nd or 3rd grade. The book is called Damals war es Friedrich. It's a book about two boys growing up in Nazi Germany, one being a jew.
@otaku_roman_1024
@otaku_roman_1024 3 жыл бұрын
Me: Is going to a school in Germany. Also me: I wOnDeR hOw WwIl iS tEaChEd In GeRmAnY
@jacobmiles4827
@jacobmiles4827 3 жыл бұрын
Taught*
@thedeadnightking9975
@thedeadnightking9975 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes Teached!
@Will_Cello
@Will_Cello 3 жыл бұрын
Taught
@dszxnavtiisx6384
@dszxnavtiisx6384 3 жыл бұрын
Welche Klasse bist du ? Ww2 kommt ab der 9ten
@TeRenner123
@TeRenner123 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@svejobaron
@svejobaron 3 жыл бұрын
The teaching about Nazis and their crimes is not supposed to make you feel guilty, but to make you feel responsible to never let such things ever happen again. There are right wings in germany who call this history a "memorial of shame" and want to change the way we look at our past, but I feel proud for the way we get teached history considering how history is teached in other places.
@ItsMe-ic7on
@ItsMe-ic7on 2 жыл бұрын
Well it is kind of a memorial of shame. The fact that they let this happen back in the day. But it should also serve as a memory to not let this happen again and that's what the average citizen is telling people to not let this happen again that reminds them to never let that type of brutality enter their country again and I agree with that no country should be that way at all
@doubtshadow1
@doubtshadow1 2 жыл бұрын
The Germans suffered enough in the aftermath. Fascism, as with all forms of authoritarian socialism, must be guarded against, and never should it's Marxist roots be forgotten. The participation of the Soviets against the fascists, and so their position as victors, allowed them and their trash ideology to slip through the cracks and infiltrate the West with relatively little resistance, in part because of the disingenuous presentation of Marxism as somehow diametrically opposite to fascism; it is certainly not. Fascism is gone. Marxism is an ongoing and vile threat, however.
@bradjohns6442
@bradjohns6442 2 жыл бұрын
Not being mean just trying to help based on the assumption that English is a second language (it’s my first and I still make mistakes). The past tense of teach is taught.
@ihatecoffee7185
@ihatecoffee7185 2 жыл бұрын
@@doubtshadow1 fascism is very much NOT socialism💀 fascism is far right authoritarian ultranationalism. Fascism opposes marxist/socialist ideologies completely. Someone did u wrong in your edu there bud...
@V1Salvo
@V1Salvo 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradjohns6442 I wanted to correct OP too but I didn’t know how to correct them without unintentionally sounding rude. Glad you did it whilst sounding nice lol!
@jamesh.dickens7682
@jamesh.dickens7682 3 жыл бұрын
Germany: we accept our atrocities and strive to make sure they never happen again Japan: world war what?
@thegreatpapyrus2306
@thegreatpapyrus2306 3 жыл бұрын
“Huh”
@adrianbollmann2088
@adrianbollmann2088 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, this can be applied to many major countries like the US and the UK. From what I now, the schools don´t really emphasize the bad things from the past. If I am wrong, please correct me.
@bigmanroadman3910
@bigmanroadman3910 3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianbollmann2088 I’m English and they never taught us about most of the atrocities and racism and shit the empire did or how Irish people used to be really oppressed. To be fair we do lean about some bad stuff the country did from medieval times and Henry VIII but not really anything in the past 100 years. Edit: I feel like I should point out that I only did history in secondary school and not collage or anything like that so there’s chances that you learn about the empire more later on in education.
@cloutelfin8323
@cloutelfin8323 3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@harverc229
@harverc229 3 жыл бұрын
In Russia: We are proud of our Soviet history. Killings were necessary for the greater good. Gulags were for bad people. The collapse of the Soviet Union was set up by the west and Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin were traitors for letting it happen and Stalin was a hero while Lenin revolutionized Russia. Putin is doing good for the country and the world.
@M.B___
@M.B___ Жыл бұрын
I really admire that they do teach history that way in Germany. It's a very valuable lesson, and it reminds me of a quote, "those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them".
@TikoVerhelst
@TikoVerhelst 2 жыл бұрын
As a Dutch person, I have always wondered why our eastern neighbours are so conscious about their history. After seeing this video and reading the comments, everything makes sense now. Germans are I think one of the most polite folks of Europe nowadays. They have truely built an amazing nation which I have had the pleasure of spending a couple of holidays in. Viel Liebe einer Ihrer westlichen Nachbarn.
@alisonunddaswars480
@alisonunddaswars480 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much! Thats soooo cute und viel liebe zurück
@-autumnfeelings
@-autumnfeelings 2 жыл бұрын
Hey from germany. Its nice that you find us nice. Same goes Back to you. Dutch people are so lovely
@joelstuckwisch
@joelstuckwisch 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thats very nice to hear as a german. But believe me, Germany have a lot of political problems too. Not as much as the USA or even authoratic states, like Russia and China, but we have worrying right wing parties and stupid people, who call themselves "Querdenker" or people, who deny the climate change. This parties and people call the democracy in Question and are a very serious danger for our Country. But still I agree, we have mostly very good history lessons and this is something we can proud of.
@starwarsfan-kk2jx
@starwarsfan-kk2jx 2 жыл бұрын
Wenn sie das deutsche Volk so betrachten, waren sie sicherlich noch nicht auf Mallorca.
@Dan-fo9dk
@Dan-fo9dk 2 жыл бұрын
Germans....."....polite...." ....haha....that might be you ........both mine and others has several experiences with Germans being mind blowing rude/aggressive, including being physical violent..... Personally I found it a relief to get across the border into the Netherlands. I know people who travelled to Germany to attend a science conference..... They were never able to get to that conference, but left Germany immediately.... ...a country which they will never visit again......guess why.... There are certainly good and friendly people also, but there are to many in that country with to much arrogance and aggressive genes.... I have been in a lot of other countries but never experienced something like the German style....
@CaptainSinaSparrow
@CaptainSinaSparrow 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a German who spent a year in America, going to High School. When I found out that the pledge of allegiance was a thing it made me feel extremely uncomfortable and despite some teachers' outrage, I refused to participate. Took me a little while to understand just why I found the POA as well as the national anthem being sung at assemblies so unsettling. Many years later now, I do. And this video makes quite the point for it. I wish this existed in 2012 so I could have shown it to all my teachers who gave me dirty looks for not standing and saluting a flag.
@Quallenkrauler
@Quallenkrauler 3 жыл бұрын
Huh. I wonder if they had expected an American student abroad to salute a foreign flag and pledge allegiance to that country...
@CaptainSinaSparrow
@CaptainSinaSparrow 3 жыл бұрын
@@Quallenkrauler Can't speak for other countries but in Germany that surely would not happen :'D
@pablosturm6640
@pablosturm6640 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, germans are patriotic, we just arent as loud about it. Its quiet, behind closed doors and never accompanied with some song or flag, just a few sentences hushed when watching the news and some foreign country/politician/company fucks up again. Overt displays of patriotism are just viewed as childish in germany, so what you felt probably was some type of lowkey cringe when everyone stood up to hail some flag.
@ion1226
@ion1226 3 жыл бұрын
for us we didn’t have to pledge if we either A didnt want to or B weren’t from the US
@realtalk5329
@realtalk5329 3 жыл бұрын
I'm American but as a kid I always refused I dnt remember why but I think the teachers said I just had to stand I didn't have to put hand to heart or say it. But I think another teacher mightve said I could stay seated.
@user-ym1bs7om9e
@user-ym1bs7om9e 4 жыл бұрын
"those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it." Japan:
@riodemark9999
@riodemark9999 4 жыл бұрын
Good thing i love history
@KolbyGarrett
@KolbyGarrett 4 жыл бұрын
Know your history...
@LeftToWrite006
@LeftToWrite006 4 жыл бұрын
I would say that this quote is missing a word: from. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it; learning history isn't always the same as learning the lessons from said history.
@genghisghost
@genghisghost 4 жыл бұрын
then we better stop teaching hitler
@mcfcfan1870
@mcfcfan1870 4 жыл бұрын
@ai jao Not what the quote means. People who know history will start hearing alarm bells when someone in a mustache starts shouting in german.
@valentinstrobel1791
@valentinstrobel1791 Жыл бұрын
As a German in ninth grade i can say this is spot on. I actually visited the former Concentration Camp Memorial in Dachau just a Month ago and it was the most desolate place i have ever been to. The best word i have to describe the feeling in there is hopelessness all around you. You feel like you have no rights, no dignity whatsoever. It is something everyone should do at least once to prevent anything like this from ever happening again.
@raphaelhenker8771
@raphaelhenker8771 Жыл бұрын
This feeling of hoplessnes i felt to. Like a creeping fog, judging your every move.
@jackshen5093
@jackshen5093 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a video on How do Japanese Schools teach WWII. You’ll be amazed.
@ExtraVictory
@ExtraVictory 4 жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong with how it is done here. If you want to feel guilty fine lol
@l.c.8475
@l.c.8475 4 жыл бұрын
Joo dee: there was no massacre in Nanjing
@Nobody-zl3kk
@Nobody-zl3kk 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExtraVictory so... no problem with historical revisionism or the mistakes of the japanesse educational system when teaching WW2... right.
@shafwandito4724
@shafwandito4724 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExtraVictory mate, Japan completely ignore their dirty hands against of East Asia. This is why there is still some Japanese student that didn't know they do a genocide to this day against ton of countries
@Alfosan2010
@Alfosan2010 4 жыл бұрын
Japan approach: -Rape Nanking way too hard -Loose WWII even harder with 2 atomic bombs -Play victim
@diabetesman4030
@diabetesman4030 3 жыл бұрын
German schools: ok kids something not that chill happened in the 1940s...
@nanochad2979
@nanochad2979 3 жыл бұрын
how does this not have 20k likes yet?
@mclz_
@mclz_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@nanochad2979 cuz its a new comment?
@justarandom8824
@justarandom8824 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@KSPUnitedYT
@KSPUnitedYT 3 жыл бұрын
@Sometimes Blue no.
@ananasandy6595
@ananasandy6595 3 жыл бұрын
@Sometimes Blue ok, that goes a bit too far
@derschmiddie
@derschmiddie 4 жыл бұрын
There is a quote by Juli Zeh: "If you've been raised in Germany after the 1980ies you've had the topic of the Holocaust in every school-subject exept for maybe maths at least once."
@eliasgerlin609
@eliasgerlin609 4 жыл бұрын
Just thinking about how ridiculus it Sounds, its probably true. History, German, Englisch, Music, Politics, even Biology at one point
@TinyPierogi
@TinyPierogi 4 жыл бұрын
@@eliasgerlin609 Not to forget education science about the Hitler youth!
@kayla4551
@kayla4551 4 жыл бұрын
@@eliasgerlin609 we talked about it also in geography, art, economy. We even briefed the topic in programming and Physics
@JJumper8888
@JJumper8888 4 жыл бұрын
Yup like we've been constantly told how awful we are in every bloody subject
@doroparker1702
@doroparker1702 4 жыл бұрын
There used to be two Germanies. Two different educations. DDR changed education at school in 1990 at the earliest. Remember, there used to be a wall in Germany. The Wall came down in 9th November 1989. It is nine-eleven put down the German way of writing dates. Sachsen, Thüringen, Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern were GDR. They had to change school programs after reunion with BRD. They had to change from Russian as a second language to English as a second language. Geography was mainly taught Eastern Europe as they were not allowed to travel to western countries. So history was taught different in GDR, I guess. No matter on which side of the wall, education was important. It was for free for everybody. I grew up in western Germany. Remember being sick and tired of WW II and Holocaust as I had it at school minimum three times. Anne Frank's diary in German language class was OK and interesting. Kids still have Anne Frank's diary nowadays. Families in GDR with educated parents and grandparents always found a way to gather knowledge. When Western families came to visit, books, tapes and information as well as certain foods and other items wiggled through to people in GDR. Border patrol always took their share. A classmate was very proud. She smuggled a tape with Bee Gees music to her cousin in her bra. Young people cannot imagine nowadays how it was back in the 1980ies. Internet takes any music to any place on earth. My classmate took a high risk. Her parents did have no clue and the music was highly appreciated from her cousins, friends etc. Lots of movies show this time of Germany. Even comedies are being made. Watch das Leben der anderen mit Martina Gedeck about GDR Good bye Lenin mit Daniel Brühl about end of GDR, a comedy.
@sadteen39
@sadteen39 Жыл бұрын
German student here! I’m in my last year of school rn and graduate next week. When we talked about WW2 in history class this year there was one history lesson where our teacher put on a documentary about the holocaust. Of course all of us already knew of the events in detail from reading about it in class not only this year but in previous school years as well so I thought the documentary probably wouldn’t be all that shocking to me. I was wrong however. Before starting the video our teacher told us that we were allowed to leave the classroom if we needed a moment, as the documentary was quite graphic. The documentary showed the aftermath of the mass genocides in concentration camps. Mountains of dead, naked, starved bodies being thrown into huge graves like they were dolls or something. Videos of mass shootings not only of adults but children as well. Lifeless bodies laying in the streets of the Ghettos. It was beyond shocking and horrifying to see, I couldn’t help but cry. You can read about it all you want but I don’t think it fully clicked in my head before that those things actually happened, that those lifeless bodies had minds and souls once, it suddenly all became real. Yeah I think it’s safe to say that I will never forget or underestimate the gravity of the crimes against humanity committed by germans in the NS time.
@Soumsi01
@Soumsi01 Жыл бұрын
Do you happen to know the name of the documentary?
@leredditcommander8208
@leredditcommander8208 Жыл бұрын
There is also a soviet movie called "come and see", highly recommended, graphic AF
@schwurbelhunter
@schwurbelhunter Жыл бұрын
Heul leise
@jimbeaux89
@jimbeaux89 4 жыл бұрын
So much respect to Germany for owning up and acknowledging their country’s dark days. Takes a lot of courage to take ownership of something like that, but the Germans do it with such grace. Hats off to you Germany!!
@povilas007
@povilas007 4 жыл бұрын
I agree! For me Germany and Japan are two countries I respect probably the most in the world! Don't know even why...maybe because they are very hard working people.
@martinfranzer2254
@martinfranzer2254 4 жыл бұрын
@@povilas007 kinda funny that you agree to his comment and say you respect japan in the sentence after that. (I mean, it's ok because they are working f*cking hard but...)
@povilas007
@povilas007 4 жыл бұрын
@@martinfranzer2254 I always pair them together ;)
@jimmy2k4o
@jimmy2k4o 4 жыл бұрын
Povilas D well japan haven’t ever owned up or apologised the way the honourable krouts do. Infact a Japanese embassy once complained that a memorial to comfort women offended them. I think it was in s.korea or the phillipines or something.
@ertvonzukonigvonrahm835
@ertvonzukonigvonrahm835 4 жыл бұрын
@Jacob yt What? WHAT? A forgeiner telling A German what is ok and what isnt? When ? If i Remember correct Germany told Greece what to do Not the other Way around. And most of the Immigrants that live in Germany are either from EU or Turkey meaning that they came to Work for Germans Not to make Germans Work for them. And what Communist Take over? In Germany there is a saying: "If you arent a Communist or a socialist at 20 You have no heart.. If you are still a Communist at 30 You have no brain." Most Germans are old and hate Communism so who exactly wants Communism in Germany ?The young? Once they Turn 30 at the age where they are finaly a full member of the productivity of Germany they nologer want Communism. And Nobody denies in Germany what the ALLIES did. Rape, Deportation, theft ( mostly by UDSSR but a few Americans and English did it too) but they pale in comparison to Killing 6 000 000 Jews, Killing 20 000 000 Russians and Killing POW. Germans know what happend at Königsberg so what exacly are you talking about?
@NotAnirban
@NotAnirban 3 жыл бұрын
I looked at the thumbnail and my mind instantly went like: *"hey vsauce, Michael here!"*
@dankydoodle9467
@dankydoodle9467 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@thomasdekker9976
@thomasdekker9976 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@tirob3688
@tirob3688 3 жыл бұрын
I was confused when i heard his voice, I thought it was Vsauce 😅
@connorsumner1551
@connorsumner1551 3 жыл бұрын
Took the words right out of my mouth
@Michael-oe1oz
@Michael-oe1oz 3 жыл бұрын
“Hey Michael, vsauce here!”
@TheGwennyGreen
@TheGwennyGreen Жыл бұрын
I went through the German school system and I can’t believe how accurately you described it 🙌 Great video!
@Von_D
@Von_D 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Will you be covering post-WWII Japanese education? I would be interested to learn of it in this format.
@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv
@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv 4 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell they think the war was a 'mistake' and otherwise avoid dealing with it. Mistake does not seem to be much of an admission that it was wrong. But I don't even live there. Its just what I have read about it, and that was not much.
@NoBudjetFilms
@NoBudjetFilms 4 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in this as well. Same thing for Russia/Soviet Union/former countries that were a part of the Warsaw pact.
@whydoweHistory
@whydoweHistory 4 жыл бұрын
I second that motion
@absolutshadow876
@absolutshadow876 4 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting to know.
@drtm1718
@drtm1718 4 жыл бұрын
Blow up these comments with likes. I wanna see these videos happen. Particularly the ones about Japan and the USSR.
@richardlindsay7064
@richardlindsay7064 3 жыл бұрын
I taught History in Hamburg, Germany from 1972 thru 1979. Believe me, those.kids got the whole story. Parents were upset and complained, but the school.backed me up and the whole story came out a number of times, school.grade by school grade.
@LaVilder
@LaVilder 3 жыл бұрын
I agree those kids need to know that shit happend there all of that torture those peoples were expirienceing it isnt humane JEWISH OPINION BTW
@lucinikkalsnik1244
@lucinikkalsnik1244 3 жыл бұрын
@@LaVilder should it be something special cause its a "jewish opinion"?
@alwaysmeepin9609
@alwaysmeepin9609 3 жыл бұрын
Do you guys teach all your history? Because in Canada we teach about all the horrible things we did to native Americans but I have never heard about what we did to Asians. I only learned about the atrocities we committed against asians through my mother. It’s like focusing on the Holocaust, but only The Holocaust and nothing else.
@mementomori5580
@mementomori5580 3 жыл бұрын
Frankly, I thought it was to much / to often. At one point I just stopped caring about WW2 at all because every school year there were month' of history class dedicated to WW2 and I just thought "I got it, it was bad and the Nazis were bad, I get it, you don't have to repeat it for the 100th time".
@industriouspolyglot1976
@industriouspolyglot1976 3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by “the whole story “?
@wolfslp7202
@wolfslp7202 4 жыл бұрын
The sentence we get to hear the most in history class in germany is "it happened so it could happen again and it is your responsibility to not let that happen"
@philippm9927
@philippm9927 3 жыл бұрын
Thats why history is a subject in school and not only in university
@11Survivor
@11Survivor 3 жыл бұрын
@@philippm9927 history is a subject in school in literally all of europe. In fact, I'm pretty sure the US *is* the only country that doesn't have it as a mandatory school subject.
@TheBlissfulCyberGuardian
@TheBlissfulCyberGuardian 3 жыл бұрын
@@11Survivor it was for my school
@someonesomething9282
@someonesomething9282 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up in the public school system in America's deep South, I think we should take note of this method.
@ciamango2898
@ciamango2898 2 ай бұрын
Most of this is very well researched! one thing I´d like to add as someone who experienced this school system first hand is that this way of teaching ww2 is an achievement of the past couple of decades. During the first years after the war it was barely taught and many had more hard feelings towards the allies than towards the nazis. The topic was mostly ignored and the ones that were alive at the time mostly tried to forget about the NS time and leave it behind. Only in the student movement in the 60s and 70s the younger generation started asking their parents tough questions and people like Fritz Bauer that wanted to document nazi crimes gained more influence. That ultimately led to the German way of dealing with this dark period that we have nowadays and is described very well in the video.
@mws3779
@mws3779 4 жыл бұрын
I always wondered what the Russians teach about Joseph Stalin.
@armands3153
@armands3153 4 жыл бұрын
It's quite obvious... Considering that Russia denies any occupations and war crimes done in the occupied territories (not even mentioning the large list of crimes done inside the USSR before the war) and plays the victim. It's triggering and disgusting.
@dacoda8220
@dacoda8220 4 жыл бұрын
Spaniard triggering lol
@armands3153
@armands3153 4 жыл бұрын
@@dacoda8220 The hypocrisy of it all triggers me.
@harryt.5068
@harryt.5068 4 жыл бұрын
@@armands3153 The Soviet Union was awesome and needs to come back
@Nogu3
@Nogu3 4 жыл бұрын
@@harryt.5068 ah yes, war crimes and forceful compliance a plenty.
@wannabeth2815
@wannabeth2815 4 жыл бұрын
Video title: *has "german" in it* 60% of the comments: "As a rare german in the wide foreign fields of englishspeaking youtube, I can..."
@Karash770
@Karash770 4 жыл бұрын
We feel a strange sense of acknowledgement when America-senpai notices us.
@georgehh2574
@georgehh2574 4 жыл бұрын
@@Karash770 He's British not American
@miqseri
@miqseri 4 жыл бұрын
@@georgehh2574 Britain, America, Canada and Australia, same thing
@c.c7606
@c.c7606 4 жыл бұрын
Miqseri GX That’s funny
@solothurn20mm31
@solothurn20mm31 4 жыл бұрын
@@miqseri Ask a Bavarian if he's the same as a Prussian. Or a German if he's the same as a Austrian.
@KarstenFink1986
@KarstenFink1986 4 жыл бұрын
We, the people of germany today, are not responsible for what has happened in the 30's and 40's of the last century. But we are very responsible that something like that must never happen again. That is our collective resposability today.
@papadop
@papadop 4 жыл бұрын
Well put!
@papadop
@papadop 4 жыл бұрын
@Ivy Agreed!
@thejkyle
@thejkyle 4 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@shanesrandoms
@shanesrandoms 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@michak8029
@michak8029 4 жыл бұрын
so maybe you can finally return all stolen goods - mostly art masterpieces and pay reparations for countries almost completly grounded during war? German people living in 40s and 50s somehow didn't feel like doing it...
@Mad_Oph
@Mad_Oph 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite teachers I've ever had was my professor for European History and he was a German immigrant. Inevitably we reached WWII and the Holocaust, and he was very solemn and direct about it. He recalled seeing a man he knew from his childhood on the television being tried at Nuremberg. The professor took great efforts to explain that he was proud to be a German, he loved his country and his countrymen, and that that meant they could never allow themselves to forget what their forebears were guilty of, nor allow it to ever happen again. It was powerful stuff; you could tell that he saw the Nazi regime as a stain on their history that had to be studied and curated, not forgotten.
@simgel6286
@simgel6286 Жыл бұрын
Very nice Video. Im German (19yr) and just finished school this summer. And i remember exactly when we had to go to a concentration camp in 9th grade. It is mandatory and even the people who were sick that day had to do this trip with the classes of the following year. We were all about 14-16yrs old. On the way to Dachau there was a lot of laughing and joking about the the time back then and what the people had to endure. I know that was very f'ed up, but you know how teenagers are. But just after arriving and standing at this huge open field where all these poor souls arrived too back then and seeing just how big the complex was, we all went silent pretty fast. Not because we were scared or anything like that, but because you can feel that very bad and frightening thinks happend here. Its a feeling i cant really describe to be honest. The tour was fascinating and our guide could literally answer every question we could think of. But we all had this depressing and ashamed feeling the whole time. We were ashamed and also kind of surprised/shocked that the n*zis did this to others. The first shock was then seeing how the people had to "live", crowed the whole time, sleeping in beds five at a time where one person could barely fit in. And even know i can still remember the smell of that place. But the most shocking thing was not seeing the gas chamber and listening to the guide explaining what these marks on the wall are (scratching of these poor panicking souls, realizing that they wont escape) no, it was the 20 minute video we saw. The End of the tour is always the cinema. There you will see a small documentation of the camp. From the building to the arriving of the first prisoners, the day by day humilation, the killing etc. and even videos of the freeing through the russians. You see the skinny people who are almost skeletons. You see how scared they are. No hope, no happiness. Its a depressing feeling seeing the last moments of people. Even after they were dead, they were not treated with dignity of any kind. Just thrown in a pit, burned to ashes. I can't imagine how its must have felt being inside one of these camps. I know this didn't make it sound like a fun tour for the whole family, because it isn't and it shouldn't be, but i still recommend it. If you ever are in poland or gemany, go and book a tour. It is a very humbling experience and i promise it will change you. Because on the bus ride home there wasn't a single person joking anymore and we were all pretty quiet and in our thoughts.
@Caroharox3
@Caroharox3 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if it's the same at other schools, but at my school, at least, we'd also have a field trip to a prison where they held (, tortured and murdered) people who criticised the regime or didn't follow the rules captive, and a crematorium (at the one we visited, they mostly gased and cremated the disabled). Visiting both of those places was very heavy, and apparently it has broken apart a couple of families when students found relatives in the book of the murdered. We had guides talking about these places as well, and one of them had actually grown up in the village with the crematorium in post-war Germany. She told us how back then it was a no-go to ask or talk about it - the denial was big. She also said that it always - as she's been told - smelled sweet when the bodies, you know, turned to ashes. We also had the privilege of meeting a concentration camp survivor. He visited our school yearly and talked about his time there, how his wife had been lucky enough to escape this death sentence (if I remember correctly), and at the end we were allowed to ask him questions. For anyone who's interested, his wife wrote down his story and published it. It's called "Miecius später Bericht" by Felicia Langer.
@chitaperra2025
@chitaperra2025 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to read this. Unfortunately, I can’t read German. Has it been translated into English? Or perhaps French or Spanish? I could work with those languages.
@p3chv0gel22
@p3chv0gel22 3 жыл бұрын
@@chitaperra2025 i think the english Version is named "Miecius Report. Youth between the Ghetto and Theresienstadt" or something similiar
@ohitsjustmia7969
@ohitsjustmia7969 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know in which part of Germany you went to school but in Baden Württemberg (at least in the area of Karlsruhe) we also go to a KZ in class 9 I think.
@TheRadioControLEmma
@TheRadioControLEmma 3 жыл бұрын
We also had a holocaust survivor come to our school and speak to us 9th graders here in Sweden. I remember it strongly and it was impactful to say the least. And I feel fortunate to have had listened to first hand accounts as it is rare/not possible now as time moves on.
@aikok903
@aikok903 3 жыл бұрын
yeah we had that as well, was a bit shocking to see to be honest..
@X-Prime123
@X-Prime123 4 жыл бұрын
As a guy born in Poland, with Polish ancestry, I never once had ill feelings towards Germans of today. I did however always hate Nazis from a young age, not because of indoctrination by the school system or my parents(neither of which ever happened) but rather as a result of being aware of the war as I was growing up. My grandfather's life was spared by a German soldier by the way. His village was being rounded up by the army into trucks, likely to be sent to some sort of a camp. He asked a soldier if he could go to the bathroom, and the soldier answered with a yes. So my grandfather went behind a barn, and then started running for his life across a farm field. He looked back to see that the soldier saw him running but didn't raise an alarm nor try to shoot. He just let him go. Anyways, you can't blame an entire nation today for the evil deeds of their relatives from the past. That's stupid. They are not the ones who committed the crimes. Let it go and move on, sheesh. If your grandfather was a thief does that make you one too? No. The Americans could learn a thing or two from this post. .....Of course if anyone still feels bad, I'll take some German chocolates :D
@MadMarco
@MadMarco 4 жыл бұрын
What a beatiful story
@maliiiin
@maliiiin 4 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right. No one should be blamed for something their ancestors did. I watched just this morning a documentary about a son from the main war criminal Hans Frank. And he tries to educate people who think for example that the Holocaust never happened or who want the immigrants should "go there, where they come from". I just hope it doesn't get worse with the anti-Semitism but as the last month's and years showed (e.g. the attack of Halle) many people haven't learned from that bad time age. Greetings from Germany/Halle
@Tara-id3rk
@Tara-id3rk 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your thought that the U.S. could learn from this. I feel like the racism in this country has gotten so ugly and out of control. And white people today are targeted as bigots and that we owe other cultures for the slavery of generations ago-even if our families weren’t even American at that point, most not emigrated over yet. I’m white and I’m not racist. I can’t help the systematic racism that some experience, nor did my family ever have any part in owning slaves. In fact, white Irish immigrants were sometimes forced into slave labor once in America. But you don’t hear those descendants berating today’s population. I’m made to feel like I’m hateful, and prejudice, and entitled. When I don’t feel like I am any of those things. It’s so bizarre to me. Blame the actual problem. But why create so much division and hate toward a demographic of people who aren’t the problem?
@raikzelbondesto2205
@raikzelbondesto2205 4 жыл бұрын
Can I have some?
@blainwilson7937
@blainwilson7937 4 жыл бұрын
“Systemic Racism” in the U.S. is a farce and a ploy used by Marxist groups like BLM.
@jotriDerSalzige
@jotriDerSalzige 3 жыл бұрын
I'm from Germany and everyone I asked was on the same page with me: We, the new generation are not at fault for the crimes our ancestors did, but we are responsible for stopping history from repeating itself.
@MaxMustermann-hy9in
@MaxMustermann-hy9in 3 жыл бұрын
Ünd dö möchen wir doch gröde ähnün öchd güden Jöb im Ösden, gel? "Wö word ihr sölvöstah" - Göschüchde wörd sich schon nüschd wüderhölen!
@flawedandbeautiful4166
@flawedandbeautiful4166 3 жыл бұрын
@jotri That's basically how we (mid US) view you too
@MaxMustermann-hy9in
@MaxMustermann-hy9in 3 жыл бұрын
@Flawed and Beautiful - I once knew an American exchange student who honestly asked me if Hitler was still King of Germany...
@flawedandbeautiful4166
@flawedandbeautiful4166 3 жыл бұрын
@@MaxMustermann-hy9in 😂😂😂 just wow. It sounds like that person Really needed that exchange
@SyndikatChannel
@SyndikatChannel 3 жыл бұрын
And now its repeating again ... leider
@AnyNotEverything
@AnyNotEverything Жыл бұрын
my australian teacher was visiting germany with a history class,and visited a death camp while they were there. according to my teacher, a german school was visiting at the same time and students were laughing, posing, and treating it as a normal tourist attraction
@EvilsTwin66
@EvilsTwin66 Жыл бұрын
I think, this is what you search for, right!? This was a topic in the news in germany as well. So, when all assholes are here in Germany you can be sure your save, only god boys around. Yes! And there is one who walks on water. Believe it... ;)
@Gorm169
@Gorm169 4 жыл бұрын
Watching this as a German makes me feel like Hermione taking Muggle Studies.
@jonathanrich9281
@jonathanrich9281 4 жыл бұрын
Did not expect a Harry Potter reference in the comments, but I love it.
@greyblue7400
@greyblue7400 4 жыл бұрын
Yes that's quite accurate comparison. As a German you know what should be in the Video and you are curious if they get it right and how much you will see which isn't correct. I think it was a really good Video that paints a good picture of how it is taught here in Germany. The only thing i was missing was a mentioning of the film "Schindlers Liste". Everything else was definately there.
@djboogymonster
@djboogymonster 4 жыл бұрын
Some of us from the States think Uber means “car for hire”. We want to know this stuff.
@Asgar1205
@Asgar1205 4 жыл бұрын
Kristie C well sorry but Uber is not a word. Only the Americanised version on an actual word. The word you mean is über and even that usually doesn’t comes close to the meaning Americans attribute to it 🤣
@MirageGSM
@MirageGSM 4 жыл бұрын
@@greyblue7400 Schindlers Liste came out just two years before I left school so it was too recent to be used as a teaching material, but I think today it would probably be in every history curriculum.
@annaverena2415
@annaverena2415 3 жыл бұрын
There is an interesting movie on the topic. It's called "The Wave" and it's from 2008. Really shows how the youth in Germany feels about the nazi guilt, as we are bombarded with it from a very young age. I absolutely recommend it :) at least watch the trailer
@taskmaster1234
@taskmaster1234 3 жыл бұрын
The Movie is based on a Book centered around a US-Highschool experiment. The teachers purpose was to show his students how easy it is to brainwash people and exclude and persecute oppositions. As far as I remember we read it in English Class to improve our English skill while simultaneously adding to our history lessons about the third Reich. Speaking of German school system btw.
@giovannipineda84
@giovannipineda84 3 жыл бұрын
I watched it and it was good but strangely not very popular. It's strange that people pay close attention to the drama and "not repeating" but don't ask why millons of people were willing to kill others... Curiously they never talk about how hitler was not as important as the identity politics that grew in that time and it is regrowing nowadays again. NO ONE talks about it. Check videos of Hitler talking (there are not well translated videos on youtube) about themselves as minorities...
@LAWless_Nonsense
@LAWless_Nonsense 3 жыл бұрын
@@taskmaster1234 the book plays in the US? Well I be damed, I had to read it in German but I still liked it! Some things just scared the shit out of me and I had to set it down sometimes, but it's very good.
@Ben-ig3bf
@Ben-ig3bf 3 жыл бұрын
I had to read that in german Ihateit
@LAWless_Nonsense
@LAWless_Nonsense 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ben-ig3bf ooof I'm sorry for you
@helgaioannidis9365
@helgaioannidis9365 Жыл бұрын
As a German who's parents both witnesses WWII as toddlers and who went through German education, this is quite accurate and it left me with a big difficulty to cope with people who make jokes about that time. I've met so many people who think it's funny to greet me saying "Heil Hitler" and I really can't laugh about it. I once met a group of Israelis abroad and they were so nice and friendly until they asked me where I come from and I suddenly became a pariah. I could understand them, but it felt weird, because I was born 30 years after the war had ended and had nothing to do with it, but was seen by them as a mass murderer.
@maimonguy123
@maimonguy123 Жыл бұрын
Israeli Jew here, I don't hate you or view you as anything without knowing you, this group absolutely sounds like an outlier to the current norm, but I personally do believe that it is absolutely valid for Israelis and Jews to hate all Germans, there's nothing that could ever be done to make up for the atrocious actions your ancestors have committed, we will forgive you but we will never forget how Germans crippled our people, millions of people were murdered the Holocaust, and even more families were effected by this. Again let me clarify, most of us have forgiven the Germans and have no ill will or hate towards you, but we will never forget what happened.
@helgaioannidis9365
@helgaioannidis9365 Жыл бұрын
@@maimonguy123 we will never forget either. In fact at school I was taught so much about it and ingrained a sense of responsibility for what happened that I didn't feel offended, just very uncomfortable. I understand why Israelis and Jews generally feel like that and respect it. It's just unpleasant to be treated that way for something you haven't done. But don't worry, we're taught to accept it. Interestingly the Greeks I've met are far more able to distinguish between the Turks who enslaved and murdered their ancestors for centuries and those who live today. It seems they are somehow willing to perceive a person as a fellow human being before categorising.
@patrickWWW
@patrickWWW Жыл бұрын
@@maimonguy123this take is terrible. What about all the german jews massacred by the Nazi regime and their ancestors. You understand hating them too? Absolutely ignorant.
@caroskaffee3052
@caroskaffee3052 10 ай бұрын
​​@@maimonguy123No, I don't think it is valid as an israelian jew to hate germans. as a holocaust survivor, maybe, but even that would be a very irrational response since many of the nazi's victims were german. there were jewish people in germany, gay people, jehovas witnesses, political opponents, mentally or physically ill...there were german citizens. in fact, the first country the nazis invaded was their own. it would simply not be accurate to hate all people from a country simply because some people in there did horrible things even to each other. it is not your place or any other of the postwar generations to have any feelings towards german people due to the war since you were not alive back then. you might be related to a holocaust survivor, but you aren't one yourself. in fact, I would argue that holocaust survivors know better than anyone what senseless hatred against a demographic of people can lead to. it is not your place to forgive. also considering the recent events, it seems as if crippling people, tearing apart families and committing ethnic cleansing is something that all countries are capable of.
@catgirl-jj8no
@catgirl-jj8no 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I love the quote "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it." I wish we'd get better history teaching in America :(
@iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana
@iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana 2 жыл бұрын
I guess Putin didn’t learn history
@salahabdalla368
@salahabdalla368 2 жыл бұрын
@@iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana I dont see how?
@Malachi-Rhodes
@Malachi-Rhodes 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest with you I wish our entire school system was a lot better.
@varianwrynn8272
@varianwrynn8272 2 жыл бұрын
@@iHaveACrushOnPrincessDiana well it was the exact opposite in russia cause they were the winners. my colleague (born and lived in moscow for her entire childhood) told me that when ww2 (or great patriotic war, as they call it) was taught, it was all on "heros against nazis". No mention of Finland, Poland or anything bad on the russian side. she at first didnt even believe me when i told her about Poland and Finland. she was so shocked when she read about it. makes you wonder....
@keiricstephenson9231
@keiricstephenson9231 2 жыл бұрын
That quote was by the same guy who said, “ History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there.” He also believed history changed and should be constantly rewritten. Not that the quote is necessarily wrong, but if he believes truth isn’t even real, it makes you wonder
@nickgonzales64
@nickgonzales64 3 жыл бұрын
This guy speaks in the longest sentences I’ve ever heard.
@EJLeas
@EJLeas 3 жыл бұрын
He’s German just look at the German language there’s ur answer
@ewwpoorpeople5684
@ewwpoorpeople5684 3 жыл бұрын
He speaks how research papers write
@ArkinMC
@ArkinMC 3 жыл бұрын
Your statement shocks me.
@guysumpthin2974
@guysumpthin2974 3 жыл бұрын
Severe wordiness
@sharronmccombs1716
@sharronmccombs1716 3 жыл бұрын
I like it. I wish I could speak so well and really purely expressive using the most accurate terms possible. It does sound long-winded, but he isn’t hemming and hawing, um-ing, or wasting breath on points that aren’t important.
@ZebSound
@ZebSound 2 жыл бұрын
We germans love videos from not germans about Germany because we can not really say something good about us. Its quiet a nice and good feeling watching some people arround the world say nice things about germans :)
@wa_demon__9156
@wa_demon__9156 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard generally Germans have alwys been very accepting and kind people so when the whole thing with nazis happened it was a bit of a surprise to many
@joboatthecrossroads
@joboatthecrossroads 2 жыл бұрын
I can write you something else: my Polish grandmother, when asked which occupation was worse? German or Soviet? Without thinking, she stated that the Soviet one: the Germans had rules, they were people, and the Soviets were the wilderness, animals. I feel sorry for you that you cannot be proud of heroes and war history. The blood on the flag stained the bravery. Everything then came from pride, hope and poverty. Today, it is a pity that you still treat others with contempt, although, for example, your attitude towards Russians is strange and incomprehensible. A friend of mine in 1994 died in an accident caused by the Neonazists, he was a Pole and a great actor. I feel best in Bavaria, there is not so much aversion to Poles there. Unfortunately I don't have the inscription on my forehead that I have half of my family German and brother fought against brother.
@irgendeinname9256
@irgendeinname9256 2 жыл бұрын
@@wa_demon__9156 bruh when "the whole thing with the Nazis" happened Germany was f*cked and already startet a world war a few years before so i guess that wasn't that surprising.
@herminecobainjulesvernedas5177
@herminecobainjulesvernedas5177 2 жыл бұрын
I think Jan Böhmermann summed it up pretty well: "We are proud of not being proud"
@christianlehmann2050
@christianlehmann2050 2 жыл бұрын
100% richtig
@nealandkriz5078
@nealandkriz5078 Жыл бұрын
Gernan History A-Levels here. We had the full package. Contemporary Witness accounts, three tours to concentration camps and all the things you describe. It could almost get a bit overwhelming sometimes, the sheer amount of it. But considering the level of importance, it seems necessary. Our teacher went to Auschwitz with us during Winter, so we could get an impression of the most dire conditions. It is very humbling to imagine people suffering on these grounds, malnutritioned, no proper clothes, with no dignity and no hope of coming out of this alive. We also re-enacted a situation in a 1x2m „standing cell“, where 6-8 people where squeezed in so tight that they had no room to sit down or even go to the toilet. Back then they had to stand in there for long periods of time. The thought of having to endure this is so inhumane, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg…
@chocofudge1932
@chocofudge1932 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Germany and I have to say your summary of the schedule German schools go through covering WWII and the atrocities committed by the Nazi Regime is very accurate. In terms of the actual battles, our schedules do cut these short. However, I've found that many of us gathered up the courage to ask about the experience of war in our own families only a few generations down because of these classes. And when I did, I learned that no soldier from my hometown who was born in 1928 and forcibly recruited to the frontline in Russia in 1943/44 made it back home. I learned that my grandpa just got there when the war was declared over and had to travel back home by foot. He met refugees from concentration camps in the woods in Czechia. They were all starving, traumatized and scared. It is so surreal what this war did to people. It's important that we know and don't forget.
@suidelikeson21
@suidelikeson21 Жыл бұрын
I remember the horror of finding photographs of my great grandfather in front of the Auschwitz trains. I felt so ashamed and horrified. But then my Oma told me why he joined the SS. My family had been potato farmers up until the war. The Nazis came and forced my great grandad to sign up. If he didn't, they would kill the children and burn the farm down. My great grandfather never returned from the war. And our farm was burnt down anyway. My family's livelihood was gone. A lot of people don't see that some of them were forced to join. Uropa just wanted to farm.... he had 11 women employed on his farm. Then everything was gone.
@kalaoahaole
@kalaoahaole Жыл бұрын
DEUTCHLAND forever! Germany NEVER!
@dalewins9782
@dalewins9782 Жыл бұрын
THEY WERE STARVING BECAUSE THE GOOD OLD U.S.A. WAS VERY BUSY BOMBING THE FOOD SUPPLY LINES AND PRISON CAMPS.
@thyson228
@thyson228 4 жыл бұрын
As a German: I approve this, no errors that I could point out. Well researched!
@caimaccoinnich9594
@caimaccoinnich9594 4 жыл бұрын
Are you taught about the Nama and Herero genocide Germany committed in Namibia?
@thyson228
@thyson228 4 жыл бұрын
@@caimaccoinnich9594 As far as I know. No, not in regular history classes in my state.
@clamum
@clamum 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment! Good to hear from Germans about it.
@caimaccoinnich9594
@caimaccoinnich9594 4 жыл бұрын
@@thyson228 That's sad😔 Thank you for the answer!
@caimaccoinnich9594
@caimaccoinnich9594 4 жыл бұрын
@Zhào Liǔ What are you talking about? I never even spoke to you. As a South African we learn about the concentration camps for the Afrikaners. I have no idea if the British learn. They should though. Same for the JP/US happenings.
@christalball93_
@christalball93_ Жыл бұрын
My gr 12 teacher was a legend. Wrote his own textbook. Recited it all from memory not like he was reading but just telling a story. He talked about Stalingrad being the turning point for the Germans losing the war. The Russian winter
@stoat5591
@stoat5591 3 жыл бұрын
I live in the US state of Oklahoma and when I was in Oklahoma history I brought up the Tulsa race riots because my teacher skipped it in class and he pretty much told me to shutup quietly. I believe that no matter how bad or terrible the history is the school system should still teach it.
@zardsire2012
@zardsire2012 3 жыл бұрын
In California history, we group the period when it was Mexican territory part of the Spanish history part so we only got to learn about it for a week since we took so long on learning about the Missions. They group the explores into a whole unit but when it was Mexican territory into a small part of the Spanish history makes no sense.
@danrook5757
@danrook5757 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Slap Back : what was that. A Canadian here
@amadeosendiulo2137
@amadeosendiulo2137 3 жыл бұрын
Polish here, my history teacher didn't want me to talk about why there was Ukrain in Poland and if that has something to do with the Ukrainians being our enemys durring WW2....
@huntergriffin4907
@huntergriffin4907 3 жыл бұрын
@@danrook5757 so there was a thing known asblack Wall Street” in Tulsa which was attacked by whites and basically it got destroyed it’s not taught in a lot of cases but has gained a lot more attention over the years
@VeraTheTabbynx
@VeraTheTabbynx 3 жыл бұрын
"those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" I know it's corny, but it really is important we learn from horrible things to know just what comes of needless prejudice.
@its_herocast276
@its_herocast276 3 жыл бұрын
Expected him to say “Hey Vsauce, Michael here”
@RuSsAiNgAmErTaG
@RuSsAiNgAmErTaG 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@overlord_trash1495
@overlord_trash1495 3 жыл бұрын
I thought he was Michael
@yungxsteel8593
@yungxsteel8593 3 жыл бұрын
Same 🤣🤣🤣
@Gathering14
@Gathering14 3 жыл бұрын
Same lol
@9space344
@9space344 3 жыл бұрын
He would look like Walter white if he shaved his beard a bit likes Walters
@davidlogansr8007
@davidlogansr8007 10 ай бұрын
We hosted a German student during the 99-2000 school year, and during a discussion one night I was able to play a recording of part of one of Hitler’s speeches. The young man said he had never heard his voice before ( this was before KZbin) and found what he was saying to be fascinating.
@YvonneWilson312
@YvonneWilson312 4 жыл бұрын
25 years ago my father was hosting two German former fighter pilots who were over for a VE Day 50 years of peace commemoration. I went over to help out as he spoke no German and they needed a break from trying to understand his accent. They were a delight to talk to but one of them told me that they felt very awkward about Germany's role in WW2. I looked at their sad faces and just said gently "Well, we couldn't have done it without you....!" which is a fact but it diffused the situation nicely and they both laughed out loud. My father wondered what on earth I had said to them, lol.
@wolfgangwalk337
@wolfgangwalk337 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful answer! I remember my father, who became a soldier in 1943 at the age of 16 and became a p.o.w. at the end of the war weeks before he even turned 18, was split between the knowledge to have fought for the wrong side and the shame to have lost the war. And he'd been aware of this split even when the war was still raging. I always said to him that he should imagine they'd have won the war - and that it had been more patriotic to lose it. His mind could follow the argument, but his heart never really could embrace it.
@YvonneWilson312
@YvonneWilson312 4 жыл бұрын
@@wolfgangwalk337 Thankyou for your kind comment, Wolfgang. I am sad to think that your father never quite came to terms with what happened. His generation were often victims of the past. My late husband was a military historian so we encountered many stories and sadly your father was far from alone. You counselled him well. He had not had a choice at the time, especially at such a young age. I should perhaps have said that I was speaking to the former airmen in German so they felt able to talk more freely. Nobody around us knew what they were saying. They were brave men, and I told them so.
@TheBasher-_-
@TheBasher-_- 4 жыл бұрын
I read that in Morgan Freeman's narration voice. -My Father wondered what on Earth, I had said to them... Laugh out Loud- 😂
@tcochu
@tcochu 4 жыл бұрын
This is epic
@UltraGamma25
@UltraGamma25 4 жыл бұрын
@@YvonneWilson312 Your kindness is appreciated.
@rockstarJDP
@rockstarJDP 3 жыл бұрын
As a Brit that's visited Germany a number of times and explored many of its regions, I can say that I have the utmost respect for how Germans wear their history on their sleeve. Munich is particularly interesting in how it memorialises the war in that the memorials are all over the city, but are very subtle, often small plaques or painted cobblestones for example, and are designed to make you think about them and encourage you to do your own research into the stories behind them. Also I did ask about the very subject of this video to some of the German friends I made along my travels, and my understanding is that it's considered impolite to mention the war, however they feel obligated to answer any questions you have regardless, because to change the subject would be disrespectful. In any case, Germans are the friendliest and most helpful, wonderful people I've ever met and it is such a beautiful country, I can't wait until I can visit again! 😊
@stever1002
@stever1002 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice words from a German. :) Our english friends are always welcome!
@rockstarJDP
@rockstarJDP 3 жыл бұрын
@@stever1002 Likewise my friend :)
@kayzenl7911
@kayzenl7911 3 жыл бұрын
When you travel in France. If you ask about WW2 there is an strange reaction. People will first lost their eyes and said “ we lost the battle because of the high command” this is true and suddenly they change it to, Napeolon or Ww1
@anurag15271
@anurag15271 3 жыл бұрын
Expecting the same from Japan, the things they did is not written anywhere in the world. My great grandfather was in the army and he told so many horrific stories to my dad about the ww2. I hope history will remember wht they did to us.
@rockstarJDP
@rockstarJDP 3 жыл бұрын
@@anurag15271 There is another video on this channel about just that if you haven't seen it already :) but yeah I agree, my great uncle fought with the Commandos in Burma and my grandfather in the RN throughout the Pacific, neither were the same when they came home and both refused to ever talk about it. That's not even to mention the Sino-Japanese wars that predate our involvement. All of it should be taught in schools because it isn't about assigning blame, it's about preventing anything so awful from ever happening again.
@hinatanin
@hinatanin 4 жыл бұрын
As a German: how did other countries teach their children about the crimes of WW2?
@biancaolivier3319
@biancaolivier3319 4 жыл бұрын
In South Africa, we were taught about what triggered the war and how it played out with key dates and people of interest. But essentially painting Germany and Russia to be the bad countries. I am always one for 2 sides of a story but couldn't really get anything back then (2004) as South Africa is always behind with technology. Our textbooks were, to me were very outdated. I am a 3rd generation half German on my mother's side as my great grandfather fled the country and would love to visit Germany in the future :) I feel the past is in the past and no one now should be held accountable for things that happened back then.
@lindaandersen5723
@lindaandersen5723 4 жыл бұрын
When I was in school (in Sweden), we learned about the war like described in this video. Every year in my old school the pupils in year 9 went to Berlin to visit a concentration camp, the remains of the Wall and other areas of historical importance. What was the most emotional to me took place before the trip. It was a visit from a survivor of one of the camps who came to Sweden after the war ended as he had no family left.
@mcarrowtime7095
@mcarrowtime7095 4 жыл бұрын
in the us we talk about what caused the war and the holocaust. heaviest focus on the holocaust. we talk a bit about what drew America into the war. its just generally excepted that the Nazis were horrible.
@mmcharchuta
@mmcharchuta 4 жыл бұрын
In Poland we are familiarised only with our perspective of the story. We heroicise our own nation and have major problems with admitting any singular examples of collaboration. Oh. And having a thousand years old animosity towards germans we call nazis germans, rather than nazis. Many poles believe that we were betrayed by our sworn allies - France and Britain, which then backfired on these traitors, because they lost the chance of a favourable military position.
@mrsimonebucher
@mrsimonebucher 4 жыл бұрын
In the Italian part of swizerland, we learned about key points and not really on a philosofical way. We had to learn German too, and there we had a second "hisory" class, from WW1 to the fall of the URSS and how it influenced Germany. So for around 6 month we touched the problem of nazism from a philosofical view instead of a stratigic one.
@fayprivate7975
@fayprivate7975 Жыл бұрын
As the spouse of a GI, I spent 3 years in Germany in the 1960s, 20 years after the war ended. I visited Dachau. There were still some large buildings bearing pockmarks from the war. But Germany was largely rebuilt. I wondered so often how the people felt about the Nazis and the war. We had German friends. We were welcomed wherever we went. I never asked questions. One elderly couple rented us an apartment. The wife proudly told us that her husband had been a major. I had decided in my mind that he must have been in the Wehrmacht rather than the SS. I always wondered what kids were taught in school, what people were told afterwards. Your video explains all this very clearly. It’s important to know everything you brought up. Thank you!
@joshbriggs1615
@joshbriggs1615 4 жыл бұрын
"the first country Nazi Germany conquered was itself" This quote couldn't be more right
@joshbriggs1615
@joshbriggs1615 4 жыл бұрын
@Logan Waltz just because they supported socialism does not mean they supported Nazi Germany Many German people did not support the Nazi regime but could not do anything as attempting to organise a rally or a protest would most likely have them captured and killed Aswell as the Gestapo constantly making German people fear that anyone of there friends or ally's could actually be agents meaning most people couldn't just contact fellow Germans to organise this as a Gestapo member or even a child going to Hitler youth could and most likely would find out and then tell the authorities
@YTscheiss
@YTscheiss 4 жыл бұрын
Who exactly said this? First time I hear it. But I always tell people, Germany was the first victim itself. It's not that Germany became Nazi and that's it. Nazi conquered, kidnapped Germany! ...
@BadWebDiver
@BadWebDiver 4 жыл бұрын
That statement is so profound, and brilliant.
@zykel621
@zykel621 4 жыл бұрын
@Logan Waltz IDK where you got that from but its 100% false.
@ixlnxs
@ixlnxs 4 жыл бұрын
@Logan Waltz In the Weimar Republic there were far more socialists than nazis. The nazis never got more than 40% of the votes. The first thing Hitler did when he took power, was prohibit all the left-leaning parties.
@buckydee1310
@buckydee1310 3 жыл бұрын
Germany: We lost a war! Italy: YOU lost a war!
@douglasweiss8656
@douglasweiss8656 3 жыл бұрын
Also Italy: “Yeah we couldn’t admit we lost every campaign that didn’t have Germany’s help so we’re gonna switch sides.”
@Tj-556
@Tj-556 3 жыл бұрын
@@douglasweiss8656 again lol
@corahannen8631
@corahannen8631 3 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as loosing or wining a war. Its one state who gladly ends it. In case of WWII it was gladly right side and the allies established one of tge fairest and liberated system in History of the world, but in many other attamps the US failed and insteat of peace they brought harm and fear. I encourage more people to challenge there countrys history and even the dark parts of hustory or elswise we all are doomed to relive it. Therefor terms such as wining or loosing a war must go and we all must know that war ist the greatest horror and evil of human kind
@yn2603
@yn2603 3 жыл бұрын
"A great man is hard on himself; a small man is hard on others." - Confucius
@silmaril8989
@silmaril8989 3 жыл бұрын
"Italy" didn't switch sides, instead Mussolini was killed and the country overtaken by the resistance and allies starting in the South mainly. WW1 is a different story
@TSGPhilipp
@TSGPhilipp 3 жыл бұрын
I can add to the discussion that its pretty common for german students to watch Schindlers List in History class
@linaville
@linaville 3 жыл бұрын
@Your Majesty, Not necessarily. I watched it in my ethics class in 9th grade and was 14 y/o. A lot of students were already 15 though.
@ichmeiner4531
@ichmeiner4531 3 жыл бұрын
@Your Majesty, 13-14 at the school I went to, not censored. But it was shown after we learned about all of what happened in written form. My school took (and still does) great pride in being named after a resistance fighter from the 'white rose' (Willi Graf), once a year we had a project week surrounding that theme and holocaust survivors were invited to the school to tell us their story. After hearing their stories of horror, death, pain and fear, firsthand experiences, the movie suddenly seems less harsh. The stories were just so so so much worse.
@TSGPhilipp
@TSGPhilipp 3 жыл бұрын
@Your Majesty, we watched it in 10th grade, where we were 15/16 Years old but the parents of the 15 year old kids had to approve that their child is allowed to watch the movie. Edit: We watched the Director's Cut
@AxolotlGmbH
@AxolotlGmbH 3 жыл бұрын
@Your Majesty, Not really, no.
@HAL-vm3wn
@HAL-vm3wn 3 жыл бұрын
@Your Majesty, we have different Rating systems for movies. Schindler's List ist 12+ over here . No, i also think it should be higher
@astrowrld2870
@astrowrld2870 Жыл бұрын
I’m from Florida and the teachers I have had most definitely changed the way I see United States history. In the past, things I had learned were glazed over and chalked up to mistakes anyone could make. The last two teachers I have had have shown me that though these were mistakes anyone could make, many of those people CHOSE to make those mistakes, thus making them responsible and needing to be held accountable for their actions. The shortcomings the United States and associated parties felt due to these individuals or groups were sometimes simply ignored for greater agendas pushed by more powerful individuals or groups who simply pushed things they themselves enjoyed on others. There was a major lack of empathy and compassion for other humans simply because of how hatred was bred towards others simply because of inner struggles that pushed this hatred outward on everyone. Overall, the teachers I have now completely allowed me to see that what went on in my country’s history was far worse than it was made out to be.
@somerelativleyuninterestin4763
@somerelativleyuninterestin4763 3 жыл бұрын
Germany history: *“we committed one of the most prominent genocides in the history of the world and are willing to not only make ourselves better but teach about the awful things we’ve done to make sure they not only don’t happen again but so the younger generations don’t glorify the atrocities”* English history: *”damn we had a tyrannical empire. Based lol”*
@kprk4102
@kprk4102 3 жыл бұрын
Also English History: 'Proceeds to continue sweeping colonialism/former invasions, crippling descriminations/racism and native genocides under the rug'
@Rosie_88
@Rosie_88 3 жыл бұрын
Israel's history: " We've outdone Hitler, our predator is nothing compared to us. We learned well from him and became much better. We are pros at his craft, be proud kids!". Yes there, I said it ! Whoever likes to comment negatively to what I said, spare me the ANTISEMITISM bs. It's a fact and a reality!
@kprk4102
@kprk4102 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rosie_88 Do people often happen to call you a Nudzh or Yenta?
@Rosie_88
@Rosie_88 3 жыл бұрын
@@kprk4102 I understand, not everyone can swallow the truth pill.
@FakenameStevens
@FakenameStevens 3 жыл бұрын
Japan: Wikipedia isn't nice to look at. This "second world war" is a bad story
@anna-px3ty
@anna-px3ty 3 жыл бұрын
As many other Germans mentioned before: Learning about WWII doesn't stop outside of history class. In my school we analysed important speeches of Nazi officials in German class and identified patterns of their propaganda Edit because some others said they never did that in school: I don’t think many schools do cover this. My German teacher decided it would be an interesting approach to the topic of speech analysis. That’s all
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 3 жыл бұрын
And i can bet that you never heard about Obersalzberg Speech and who in that speach was pointed as a target for extermination...
@anna-px3ty
@anna-px3ty 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bialy_1 I’ve heard of it, but in school we mainly talked about Himmler‘s speeches.
@gamesux420
@gamesux420 3 жыл бұрын
I never did that in school, wut
@lumpenproletarier9584
@lumpenproletarier9584 3 жыл бұрын
we never did anything like that in school, our history classes were basic af and at the end of the 10th school year half of my fellow students couldn't name the year the war started or all major countries involved or that the 3rd reich and the DDR was not the same thing "just with this wall and stuff" etc.. I guess it matters what school you were on. Hauptschule halt.
@moonhrt
@moonhrt 3 жыл бұрын
yup, we also did this
@charlotteice5704
@charlotteice5704 4 жыл бұрын
As a German, I can confirm that this was accurate. However, I'd like to add that at first, the denazification was not all that successful. Shortly after the war and up until the 60s, the topic was not really talked about in families and former nazis still held more or less important positions, for examples as judges, in many places. The 1968 student movement is what put an end to nazism in Germany for good.
@peterpoop7760
@peterpoop7760 4 жыл бұрын
"The 1968 student movement is what put an end to nazism in Germany for good." There is still a lot of Nazism in Germany, as is witnessed by the continuing existence of a plethora of Neo-Nazi Groups, for example. Go to your Landratsamt or Einwohnermeldeamt and ask for their list of unacceptable organisations (that's if they're willing to hand it out). The last list I saw ran to 4 pages of A4 paper.
@charlotteice5704
@charlotteice5704 4 жыл бұрын
@@peterpoop7760 what I meant by "put an end to nazism for good" is that it put an end to the societal acceptance of nazism, I should have clarified that. It is evident that there are still many nazis, but as opposed to the situation that was up until the 60s, they are not accepted now and national pride is heavily frowned upon now.
@noth606
@noth606 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlotteice5704 national pride is by no means a bad thing, and it being frowned upon is nothing short of patethic. Being patriotic and proud of your country is the hallmark of a strong nation which is in many ways a requirement for civilization itself.
@ZiggyMercury
@ZiggyMercury 4 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, as a Jew from Israel (though I now study in Germany) I can tell you that there is a particular similarity in the way it was dealt with in Israel, although from the other side: at least until the '60s, the holocaust wasn't talked about much in Israel. As far as I know, there were two main reasons for that: 1. Holocaust survivors who came to Israel after the war and wanted to share the stories of the atrocities they experienced often found out that Israeli-born people did not want to listen. Many of those born in Israel and raised with the mentality of "we shall determine our own fate" (by establishing a state of our own etc.) tended to view the holocaust as an event where European Jews were led "like sheep to the slaughter", i.e. led to their known death without putting up a fight. That's of course total nonsense (because they were guaranteed to lose their lives if they tried to resist), but that was the perception and attitude. I think that has started to in 1961 during Adolf Eichmann's trial, when many Israelis were first exposed to the personal horrors told by holocaust survivors who spoke as witnesses in the trial. 2. Holocaust survivors who came to Israel usually tried to build a new life, with a new family, and did not want to dig in their painful past.
@robertbretschneider765
@robertbretschneider765 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZiggyMercury Nice Comment. Did u ever hear of the christian embassy in Jerusalem? Its an organisation that unites mostly christians from all over the world, big part from germany too, in support of Israel. They also run a shelter for poor old holocaust survivors in haifa, where young germans come to help and work for one year as a part of healing those wounds that their nation caused the people that live there. It isnt anything i did myself sadly, but as a german i read this with a good feeling.
@HeadbutKneecap
@HeadbutKneecap Жыл бұрын
From the German people that I've known, they've sort of taught me how much their people have come from a logical and moral standpoint. I asked my good friend about her experiences learning about the nazi regime growing up. I've always been curious about what it would be like to be taught that your country and people had been responsible for some of the most immoral and disgusting atrocities in human history, but there was a very interesting perspective that she had that, yes the Germans had fallen short and made alot of these mistakes and it's apparent to most Germans growing up how horrible these atrocities were, but from that they had used their empathy and experiences to move forward and create some pretty steadfast moral ideologies in order to stop themselves from making those mistakes again. She even posited the idea that Germans are very direct for this reason: they have learned from an early age to point out the flaws and irregularities in certain thought processes and are quick to point them out. They are well aware of their mistakes in the past and are very sure to correct them. Sadly, as an Australian, it's unfortunate that we aren't as aware of the history of our country. We were conquered by the English and there was slot if atrocities that the they committed toward Aboriginals that slot of us aren't even aware of.
@BeWe1510
@BeWe1510 3 жыл бұрын
I think the comment section could use another german giving his thoughts, so here I go: It is pretty accurate indeed, well done. Some things I wanna add The positive view towards the allied armies is not as strong when it comes to the soviets. We are slowly beginning to talk a bit about their atrocities too, like the expulsions of Germans from the eastern territories or their general behavior as occupiers, where they are seen as the worst of the four. I don’t think, that our schools are trying to make us feel guilty. This is a statement you hear sometimes and I even made it myself but today I don’t think it’s true. The goal is only to prevent it from happening again. When demands for reparations gained a little traction in Poland and Greece there was a public outcry based on the supposed innocence of modern day Germans. So while some people who feel guilty might exist, they are definitely the minority. However I do agree that the topic is overrepresented in schools as well as in tv programs. Thats not because I think we shouldn’t talk about it as much but because I think we should talk about everything else more, the Nazi topic leaves not enough space for the rest of history imo. History was mandatory for us from 6th to 12th grade and I am not entirely convinced that everybody from my class knows what the Holy Roman Empire is or has any clue about the most important battles of our history, like the ones in the Teuteborg forrest, near Augsburg or the battle of the nations at Leipzig. I am not saying, that these should be taught with patriotic triumph, thats not my point. But they and their long term effects are important to appear in class in a dialectic way because without them Germany would be drastically different, if it exists at all. They are as much part of our roots as the Nazi times
@thirstwithoutborders995
@thirstwithoutborders995 3 жыл бұрын
As an Austrian with a similar curriculum I agree in that there is not enough space for the rest of history. I got into an argument with my German and History teachers, because for two years it was either about the Nazis or Nazi-metaphor books. Like nothing had happened in between 1945 and now that might explain the world today. I would not have liked to learn about battles, because nothing can be learned from that, unless you plan to become a military strategist, but there are many a lesson to be learned from other historical events too.
@leonl9123
@leonl9123 3 жыл бұрын
I think we should look at pride and patriotism to our pre ww histoy, so many great things happened in the last 2000 years, that it would be wrong to not teach in a proud way about them. Having nacional pride is also something positive, and it doesnt make people automaticly into rasissts or nazis. While it is true that we conciously dont feel guilty for ww2, but we still see it as bad to wave a german flag, or express any kind of pride about who we are or who we have been.
@BeWe1510
@BeWe1510 3 жыл бұрын
@@leonl9123 Yeah I mostly agree actually. I like to consider myself a moderate patriot if that makes sense. The German flag should definitely be raised more because otherwise we are risking to loose this symbol of unity and democracy to the extreme right, which is a shame because of what the flag actually stands for, it has nothing to do with the Nazis, in fact they hated it so much, that they immediately scrapped it. I am just not sure about teaching with pride. I think the goal in class should be that you know what happened and what that means for you not how you feel about it. If you develop a certain pride because of that thats fine and if you do not, than thats fine too, imo the schools shouldn’t force either of those feelings
@leonl9123
@leonl9123 3 жыл бұрын
@@BeWe1510 I don't say that we should teach pride over the second world War, but we should not ignore everything before it. If I would say that I am proud about Germanys history a lot of people would accuse me to be a nazi, because those few years are everything that people see when they think about German history. They don't think about how Germany ruled Europe for Centuries through the Holy Roman Empire, how german tribes defeated the Roman legions in Teutenburg or about the glory of the Prussian Empire. And that comes down to school. We learn how Germanys history was so terrible because of the 2 ww, and how we have to prevent history from reoccurring. And that's fine, would it not cover 80% of the curriculum. We did the first World War in 2 hours, just to spend countless hours on German war crimes in the second world War. Ignoring most important historical events for it.
@Tessa_Gr
@Tessa_Gr 3 жыл бұрын
@@leonl9123 Why should any of us be proud of that? Patriotism honestly just doesn't make any sense and is useless. I don't have anything to do with the outcome of any of the wars and battles that happened before I was even born. Feeling pride over that is ridiculous. If you said we should learn about stuff pre WW1 more because it still influences our country/is part of important general knowledge I would maybe agree (even though we do learn all that extensively anyway). But patriotism just isn't a good argument for anyone who didn't grow up with it and therefore doesn't know why they should feel it (in that sense it sometimes feels like religion - you're more likely to want to defend it and feel like you belong to that group if you learnt about it at a time where you didn't have any critical thinking.) (not that religion is wrong, you do you)
@knurdyob
@knurdyob 2 жыл бұрын
when I went to university in the uk, a thing that I found interesting right away was when asked by the teacher who won ww2, a student put his hand up for approval to speak and then proudly replied "England!", I looked to the teacher expecting some sort of slight correction but he just said "correct!". that was the first time it really sank in that the history I had been learning in school is subjective, if only to a certain extent. my main point here being not that england didn't win the war, but that no one would ever answer "England" to that question (except for english people of course), seeing as the uk mostly was defensive and basically resisted until America stepped in and Germany turned against Russia. it would make much more sense to answer "America" or even "Russia", though the most correct answer would definitely be "the allies". that was the first time I realized each country teaches history slightly differently to glorify themselves
@johnmilligan6605
@johnmilligan6605 2 жыл бұрын
The lecturer was making a joke no professional academic in England would accept such an answer it's called irony and is particularly found in English humour.
@lesdodoclips3915
@lesdodoclips3915 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnmilligan6605 either that or this just didn’t happen.
@knurdyob
@knurdyob 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnmilligan6605 I guarantee you, there was no irony in that interaction from either of them. Keep in mind this was a film course, so not exactly the most prestigious or intellectual field
@alxonpc9388
@alxonpc9388 2 жыл бұрын
@@knurdyob I wouldn't say America really won the war Russia and Britain won the most important battles
@neilreid2298
@neilreid2298 2 жыл бұрын
​@@alxonpc9388 Gotta respectfully disagree. The western front weaponry was American. D-Day, which turned the tide of the war, was by far American. The war was of course an allied effort, and in terms of manpower, the Soviet Union sent 35 million, the U.S 16 million, and the British 8.5 million. Can't forget the incredible Canadians and Australians, both of whom contributed 1 million men.
@SeekerTyp
@SeekerTyp Жыл бұрын
9:43 I'm a German born in mid-2003 and I don't have that sense of collective responsibility. I look at ww2 more like "it happened, i realize it was a really bad thing and i can't do anything to make it right". And I'm still proud of my country because we have contributed so many inventions and discoveries to modern society and science.
@travishylton6976
@travishylton6976 Жыл бұрын
we?
@SeekerTyp
@SeekerTyp Жыл бұрын
@@travishylton6976 yes we
@wfb.subtraktor311
@wfb.subtraktor311 4 жыл бұрын
As a German my History classes from 8th-10th year was basically: Who have we killed in the past and why that was evil
@alejandrotellez2962
@alejandrotellez2962 4 жыл бұрын
@Alistair Bolden why him specifically?
@stephenpowstinger733
@stephenpowstinger733 4 жыл бұрын
WfB.Subtraktor there is such a thing as too much moralizing in history class.
@Bliefking
@Bliefking 4 жыл бұрын
Stephen Powdexter I visited history classes in Germany. There is not to much moralising. I think, we haven’t even reached Adornos ideal of modern education.
@MagravatorMag
@MagravatorMag 4 жыл бұрын
That's done to make sure you never forget how wrong it was.
@wfb.subtraktor311
@wfb.subtraktor311 4 жыл бұрын
@Alistair Bolden I am definitely not helping china with jack shit. I have deleted online accounts whenever the platform in question was taken over by tencent or the like, I try not to buy anything from China if I can avoid it at all and actively try to inform people around me about the bs that the Chinese are doing (like that "national security" law they passed recently for example).
@dataexpunged3914
@dataexpunged3914 3 жыл бұрын
Video: *related to anything German* Germans: dieser Kommentarbereich ist nun deutsches Staatsgebiet.
@Ilyiasyn
@Ilyiasyn 3 жыл бұрын
Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Kommentarbereich.
@beasvideojournal
@beasvideojournal 3 жыл бұрын
Translation
@Ben-ig3bf
@Ben-ig3bf 3 жыл бұрын
Haha genau
@amongussussyballs
@amongussussyballs 3 жыл бұрын
@@beasvideojournal Video: Bla bla bla Germans: This comment section is now official territory of germany.
@gustavschnitzel
@gustavschnitzel 3 жыл бұрын
@@beasvideojournal The other one says: One people. One empire. One comment section.
@parabellum1002
@parabellum1002 2 жыл бұрын
In the United States, though this was college, our professor, a really energetic Jewish lady from New York (she’d get so excited when talking about history and bounce around the lecture hall) didn’t sugar coat the concentration camps, murders, etc. she very emphatically discussed the atrocities. However, she did spend a good bit of time explaining why and how it happened, which IMO is the most important part of history. After world war 1 Germany was punished too harshly and the sanctions & fines too great. There was suffering and desperation among the German people and it became a breeding ground for a radical that promised change and prosperity. When Hitler came to power he stopped paying the fines and abiding by the sanctions and instantly had more money but because the rest of the world really didn’t want another war and were just starting to come out of the Great Depression (which affected most countries, just not all as bad as the US) they let it go and pretended they didn’t notice. He kept pushing and pushing and pushing the more he got the more he took (if you give a mouse a cookie) until the world had to respond. She said a lot of things could have made it different. The sanctions & penalties to have been more fair. Germany was made to pay back every country that fought against them when they were trying to rebuild themselves. It wasn’t possible. Had they had help rebuilding, they would have been less susceptible to allowing a radical come to power, had other countries intervened sooner or renegotiated it likely wouldn’t have escalated, etc. its important to understand the why of the past so it can be prevented in the future.
@handleonafridge6828
@handleonafridge6828 2 жыл бұрын
I think the German fine was so harsh because it was a fine that should’ve been paid by multiple countries, but the other two big ones (Ottoman Empire and Austro-Hungarian Empire) were completely dissolved and you can’t really fine new countries, so instead of making the fine just for German damages the Allies put the fines from the other two on the Germans as well. Also late into the war Germany really became the only Central Powers country with fight left in it so it became the obvious scapegoat for the war
@mihaelamogildea7690
@mihaelamogildea7690 2 жыл бұрын
But at the same time , if it wasn't for the conciliatorism of England and USA, Hitler wouldn't have gone that far .
@sebi0037
@sebi0037 2 жыл бұрын
@@handleonafridge6828 Not really. The Versailler Treaty was mainly written by France because they wanted revenge for the war of 1871. Thats also why they meet at Versailles.(Frances surrender in 1871 was there, too and the German Kaiserreich got formed in the process) France also "bullied" the German state several times in the following years (annexation of the Rheinland), because Germany was short of their payments. US president Wilson actually tried the opposite, because it was clear, that Germany couldnt account for that, but he died, before the treaty could be ratified. Britain didnt bother that much. They mainly had an eye on the Highseas Fleet. TLDR: It was like that, because France wanted revenge for the war of 1971.
@lr7674
@lr7674 2 жыл бұрын
There were a lot more factors at play for example germany was the only one to be blamed for ww1 which upset germans a lot or that many of the parties partaking in a democratic system were against that very system or that the reichspräsident held too much power or the great depression which caused over 1/3 of the population to become workless
@bluebird8221
@bluebird8221 2 жыл бұрын
@@sebi0037 As a french, this is pretty much true. Even at the time, the treaty was obviously criticized in France, even by people like royalists. (Yeah, they still exists.) Even George Lloyd, the British Prime Minister at the time, who first thought about giving heavy punishment to Germany kinda change his opinions after to not give France too much in a way to try to keep a balance of power. Amongst the critics the treaty received from some French people at the time, there was: -A lot of things demanded from Germany with, for most of it, no guarantee to receive it. -The treaty is humiliating to them, but do not break their unity, only promising new conflicts and hostility. And Jean Longuet thought that the conditions were too heavy, the redistributing of territories not really fair for some of them, and all of that was the birth of future new conflicts. He wanted a more democratic, socialist and liberal Europe. So yeah, a lot of people predicted that was not a great treaty, be it for more self centered reasons (no guarantee to receive the payment etc) or for a more peaceful reason, because they thought about future conflicts. And, they were basically both right. So yeah, pretty bad move from France, even without insight. Even if, at the time, most people probably couldn't imagine the scale of atrocities that would happened in WWII.
@zafer4983
@zafer4983 Жыл бұрын
Hey! Just came across this video, I would be very interested to see a similar video regarding the Cyprus problem, being a Turkish Cypriot myself I have attempted to expose myself to both sides of the story but some of the "grey areas" would be interesting to hear.
@victorialobato3652
@victorialobato3652 3 жыл бұрын
As a recent “high school” graduate in Germany, I can say that this is pretty accurate! But it’s also important to note that the goal of our graduation (Abitur), is to always think critically with ALL tools available to us. Thus we learn about WW2 in most classes such as; German, history, sociology, politics, economics, art and even tech/physics. The knowledge that we gain from each class is complimentary and creates a broader understanding and evaluation of events, whether it be WW2 or others.
@marcelschulte2419
@marcelschulte2419 3 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@korab.23
@korab.23 3 жыл бұрын
It seems like such an integrated approach would bring a more complete understanding of what happened and sharpen that critical thinking.
@Rumo_Notna
@Rumo_Notna 3 жыл бұрын
The goal of abitur is to complete the brainwashing. Its not critical thinking what they learn, its thinking what teachers want us to think, and calling it critical
@ninadammerstern9411
@ninadammerstern9411 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rumo_Notna no it's not lmao. Everybody can do their own research and good students do that. But if the sources aren't good and trustworthy, it's probably bullshit. School usually offers the most common/most commonly agreed on sources because well, they're the most credited they could find. Other sources are of course taken into consideration, especially in the last 2-3 years (Oberstufe). Querdenkergeschwurbel and "alternative facts" are not legit sources though, that's probably why you never see shit like that in german schools
@chilopodafreutsichwieeinsc3969
@chilopodafreutsichwieeinsc3969 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rumo_Notna Aluhut lmao
@dededeletethis9940
@dededeletethis9940 Жыл бұрын
I am german, and i still remember that one time that my history teacher stormed into the classroom, demanding to know if any of us knew anything about a swastika that had apparently been carved into a table somewhere. He’s usually a nice, energetic and positive guy, but at that moment, i think he was about as angry as he could get. Another time, he told me that my younger brother was a “hero“ because he had told some kids in his class’ whatsapp group to shut up when they were sending racist messages (i asked him about it when i got home, and apparently, he hadn’t even noticed what was being written initially, he was just annoyed by the spam). Us germans don’t mess around with our history, our teachers make damn sure we know everything that happened
@theCosmicQueen
@theCosmicQueen Жыл бұрын
well, both wars destroyed your country. so i am glad the learning is to avoid any suc h future events. A lot of countries learned from those wars. What to avoid.
@yo.yo.8619
@yo.yo.8619 Жыл бұрын
Swastika - please google what the symbol looks like and what it implies. You should not confuse it with hookencrauz
@susmongusidkaltaccountbass4301
@susmongusidkaltaccountbass4301 Жыл бұрын
@@yo.yo.8619umbass, if he said swatszika its for a reason
@tennis-hockeyclub7810
@tennis-hockeyclub7810 Жыл бұрын
Wenn du alles weißt was passiert ist. Wer hat am meisten gelitten und wer hat die Deutschen besiegt?
@cecillec2331
@cecillec2331 Жыл бұрын
The swastika is an ancient symbol for peace. It existed way......before Hitler. Stop buying the propaganda. Go to alternative sources for the truth.
@lezorn
@lezorn 3 жыл бұрын
As a former student from Germany I can tell you that you pretty much nailed it.
@SirToxe
@SirToxe 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, this was 100% accurate. Well done, ideed!
@saladasss2092
@saladasss2092 3 жыл бұрын
but I did learn about the march through the ukrain and other countries and he said it isn't taught in school. But otherwise it was well made.
@50733Blabla1337
@50733Blabla1337 3 жыл бұрын
@@saladasss2092 I mean there is a lot of difference even between teachers. Its my guess but I think hes talking about the things that need to be taught from the curriculum
@KappaClaus
@KappaClaus 24 күн бұрын
When learning about WW2 in Norwegian schools we always emphasised the resistance from Germans, especially the white rose
@trafalgarlaw3707
@trafalgarlaw3707 4 жыл бұрын
Next video idea: *How Do Japanese Schools Teach About WWII?*
@drsnova7313
@drsnova7313 4 жыл бұрын
"For some reason we have no time to get into, the Chinese and Americans attacked us, and while we bravely defended ourselves, we were eventually invaded."
@sinoroman
@sinoroman 4 жыл бұрын
he should do one on japanese schools but, will he though? i hope so!
@RedWingsninetyone
@RedWingsninetyone 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. We were bitter enemies in WWII and now they are perhaps one of our greatest allies.
@crazyluigi6664
@crazyluigi6664 4 жыл бұрын
Also Italy.
@Trever101
@Trever101 4 жыл бұрын
69th like nice
@karl07777
@karl07777 4 жыл бұрын
you will be so amazed at how this is handled in Japan
@kyleshiflet9952
@kyleshiflet9952 4 жыл бұрын
How do they teach WW2 in Japan
@useodyseeorbitchute9450
@useodyseeorbitchute9450 4 жыл бұрын
Or Russia...
@ValentinesEve1996
@ValentinesEve1996 4 жыл бұрын
Is it true that the Japanese history books don’t cover the parts in history where Japan invaded Manchuria?
@nathandurrence134
@nathandurrence134 4 жыл бұрын
Girls und panzer and high school fleet don’t count
@wotexpat9367
@wotexpat9367 4 жыл бұрын
Kyle Shiflet very poorly. They put themselves out to be victims and completely omit the Nanjing massacre, the atrocities in Singapore and the Pacific islands, Burma etc etc. it’s staggeringly one sided.
@SunriseAlchemist
@SunriseAlchemist Жыл бұрын
Coming from a more ignorant point of view, I feel like it would make sense for schools in any county to focus heavily on what the Nazi's did. It shouldn't be paired with Germany anymore as almost all the people that were involved in the war, and certainly those that caused it, are all dead. The important thing is that any country could go through something similar and do awful things if they're not educated about the repercussions of such things.
@shadowscreamer1
@shadowscreamer1 4 жыл бұрын
When I was stationed there, it was illegal to deny that the concentration camps ever existed
@gigatraudl6443
@gigatraudl6443 4 жыл бұрын
Seems good to me
@regenbogentraumerin
@regenbogentraumerin 4 жыл бұрын
It still is, might get you into prison for up to 5 years.
@JUAN_OLIVIER
@JUAN_OLIVIER 4 жыл бұрын
Can't be, Germany is suppose to be free now that the far-left has taken over.
@voiceofreason1208
@voiceofreason1208 4 жыл бұрын
God forbid someone critically think and question the official story written by the winners.
@normang3668
@normang3668 4 жыл бұрын
@@voiceofreason1208 Go visit Auschwitz and then come tell us if you still feel that way.
@kraftthisile9113
@kraftthisile9113 4 жыл бұрын
My husband told me it was quite extensive, traumatic and to the point. Not sure about current times. He takes the subject very seriously as should we all.
@TheKing60210
@TheKing60210 4 жыл бұрын
It's great that the German people learn about their history. I wish Japan would kind of do the same thing with Nanking
@roninwolf3347
@roninwolf3347 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheKing60210 for some reason when I read your comment I read it as if it was a joke. Completely not funny considering... Made me laugh afterwards though
@TAK-yj4hj
@TAK-yj4hj 4 жыл бұрын
@Kraft Thisle As someone who recently graduated I can say that’s still quite extensive, traumatic and to the point.
@matthewhardwick365
@matthewhardwick365 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheKing60210 And Americans with Vietnam, and Belgians with Congo, and England with China, etc, etc.
@goochfitness26
@goochfitness26 4 жыл бұрын
My own country can learn something from Germany
@yn2603
@yn2603 3 жыл бұрын
"A great man is hard on himself,a small man is hard on others." -Confucius
@madhukarjonathanminj2772
@madhukarjonathanminj2772 3 жыл бұрын
I am Cynical in general
@capncrunch5729
@capncrunch5729 3 жыл бұрын
A great man isn't hard on himself, he just understands his worth
@antiklimax125
@antiklimax125 3 жыл бұрын
watch the entire usa blame others for basically their whole existence
@yn2603
@yn2603 3 жыл бұрын
293 lol
@Justme-rt4gj
@Justme-rt4gj 3 жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean kids should be teach to hate their country.
@thomasmount3530
@thomasmount3530 Жыл бұрын
I'm British, went to school in Germany as a teenager (exchange). They are all total legends - it made me wonder if the war had wiped out all the assholes, and just left the nice people.
@kylewoodcock8075
@kylewoodcock8075 3 жыл бұрын
Me: *opens KZbin* “How do German schools teach about WWII” Me who’s never had an interest in Germany or the world wars: Well let’s find out
@jimbert4988
@jimbert4988 3 жыл бұрын
You should! Learning about war and how bad it is will open your mind and show you how terrible it is. We can only learn from the past!
@kylewoodcock8075
@kylewoodcock8075 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimbert4988 that is true but I’m more interested in the war between humans and animals and the natural world than any wars between humans and humans
@rogueshadow3850
@rogueshadow3850 3 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather and great uncle were Nazis
@kylewoodcock8075
@kylewoodcock8075 3 жыл бұрын
@@rogueshadow3850 I think you mean role models (for legal reasons this is a joke)
@jackp6466
@jackp6466 3 жыл бұрын
Kyle Woodcock so ur into Aussies vs emus?
@barnabasb1128
@barnabasb1128 3 жыл бұрын
As a German history-enthusiast and year 12 student, I can say that this video is researched EXCEPTIONALLY well. It's really accurate.
@jonburrows2684
@jonburrows2684 2 жыл бұрын
Sad to see how Germany, England, United States and a few other countries have just handed their countries over to foreigners nowadays without a shot being fired.
@barnabasb1128
@barnabasb1128 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonburrows2684 You might want to rethink about this comment again😐…
@jonburrows2684
@jonburrows2684 2 жыл бұрын
@@barnabasb1128 I've rethought it and see how the world has been set up for the end of time. Satan's little pawns want the NWO so that it can prepare for Satan himself to one day rule.
@Steve-xo5pq
@Steve-xo5pq 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonburrows2684 I wish there was something I could say to open your eyes. I see comments like this and I have even argued with a few of said commenters, and it seems like you are all walking around with you're eyes and ears closed. You see only your little slice of life, your perspective, and refuse to acknowledge anything else. Anyone who disagrees with you, is not only wrong, but not even worth listening to. Can you not at least acknowledge, that this kind of thinking is not conducive to learning and growing as a person?
@nodriveknowitall702
@nodriveknowitall702 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonburrows2684 The end has been around the corner since time has been recorded. As Steve pointed out, you will not receive anything. You believe you have everything figured out.
@InstandXXNightmare
@InstandXXNightmare 2 жыл бұрын
We Germans are very direct. We can be stubborn as all hell but we can also admit when we fucked up. And in this case especially, Germany fucked up really badly. And that's exactly what they tell us in school. They teach us about this mainly when we are around age 15-16 and usually finish the topic of WWII by visiting a former concentration camp. For me it was Bergen-Belsen, the place where Anne Frank was killed. A guide will walk the class around and tell the story of how life was there, what the camp was about (since there were different "kinds") and what happened when soldiers came and freed the camps. With literal video footage. The stories are already a lot to listen to but there's something about being a 16 yo with nothing to worry about in life and being confronted with real footage of so many dead people who where killed right where you stand not that long ago. It really puts a need in your head to prevent that from ever happening again, you really push for that afterwards. So no, they for real don't sugar coat anything, they are very real with so you understand what happened, what went wrong and what you have to do to help that this won't happen ever again.
@deantasty7421
@deantasty7421 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah... The pictures, the videos, the piles of bones... This room where masses of people got gased and the big ass oven where they got burnt. These field trips had a diffrent vibe than the ones before. But I'm so glad I experienced it!
@TheHollandHS
@TheHollandHS 2 жыл бұрын
Not if hitler won the war. Germans would be still forced listening to hitler.
@michael2704
@michael2704 2 жыл бұрын
same here - visitted KZ Natzweiler-Struthof as a 17 yo kid and will never forget the pictures I saw there. Of course I was aware about the crimes that were committed during WW2 before that day but the whole atmosphere of the KZ really burned into my memory
@ZEZlMA
@ZEZlMA 2 жыл бұрын
Most people wouldn't think twice when they're shown a picture of Anne Frank literally posed in writing position for visual reinforcement. Break the conditioning
@hx20303
@hx20303 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this
@metroid2
@metroid2 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the fact that he actually mentioned the "collective responsibility" part. I was born in the early 90s, my parents in the late 60s and my grandparents born during and after the war. It is entirely impossible to feel a sense of responsibility for what was committed by people who were able to act over 70 years ago, in other words, those who were at least 18 or so when the war started. The one thing we are responsible for is making sure such atrocities never happen again.
@meister7868
@meister7868 3 жыл бұрын
fun fact: atrocities are happening and will happen again and Germany can't do shit to stop it.
@amadeosendiulo2137
@amadeosendiulo2137 3 жыл бұрын
@@meister7868 That's actually a "sad fact" ;-)
@energymaven7537
@energymaven7537 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, the US schools teach kiddos about a fantasy dinner between pilgrims and natives.
@felisasininus1784
@felisasininus1784 4 жыл бұрын
In comparison, the Japanese are ignoring everything they did.
@goroooo
@goroooo 4 жыл бұрын
And the germans are ignoring everything that happend to themselfes.
@Herkan97
@Herkan97 4 жыл бұрын
@@goroooo I think that's just the entire western world. Most of what I've seen regarding any question about the war has been about jews. What happened to them, rather than what happened to everyone. Plus two sides saying vastly different things. Must take a miracle to know the truth.
@goroooo
@goroooo 4 жыл бұрын
@@Herkan97 Maybe we will never know the truth.
@checkermaker480
@checkermaker480 4 жыл бұрын
@@goroooo no they don't. Many Germans I met were actually keen on talking about it, and accepted their contribution to one of the worst eras In world history
@Waterdust2000
@Waterdust2000 4 жыл бұрын
Ignorance is as doomed to repeat itself as history forgotten is when education fails to teach proper attitudes & home environments fail to educate care not only to one self but others equally.
@jimmyxx9522
@jimmyxx9522 3 жыл бұрын
Met a group of young German guys about 13 yrs ago. We were all in our 20s at the time. One night we got pretty drunk. Not sure how we got on the subject but one of them expressed a feeling of hopeless guilt by what his forebears had done. The other 2 guys just nodded in quiet agreement. Poor kids had nothing to do w it but carried a shared pain w them always. Rough dude.
@lukeulibarri3924
@lukeulibarri3924 3 жыл бұрын
Feeling guilt over something that you had nothing to do with in the past? High IQ individual.
@7PlayingWithFire7
@7PlayingWithFire7 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukeulibarri3924 I'll bet money that you're a Nazi apologist and a racist. Not cause of the statement, but that the way you talk about it is 100% identical to those kinds of people.
@asura8495
@asura8495 3 жыл бұрын
@@7PlayingWithFire7 woah, thats quite the assumption
@brianwilson3076
@brianwilson3076 3 жыл бұрын
@@asura8495 im white. I feel no guilt about slavery. Am i a nazi too?
@asura8495
@asura8495 3 жыл бұрын
@@brianwilson3076 gotta ask PlayingWithFire if you talk like a nazi
@sashaconrad3939
@sashaconrad3939 Жыл бұрын
This is quite fascinating. Thank you for an interesting and informative video.
@kittysflowerld7011
@kittysflowerld7011 4 жыл бұрын
As a German let me tell you how I was taught about WW II: My mother started to talk to me as early as age 7 about WW II and why Hitler was a very bad person (understandable for a child). In grade 8 and 9 almost every pupil will be like "WW II? Oh no not again! We already know everything." That's because we really talk a lot about in history class and even in German class. (But what to expect from pubescent teens?) When I was in grade 11 we made a school trip to Berlin and to the KZ Sachsenhausen and it was one of the most horrific things I have seen in my young life. But I think it's important to visit these places, to see and to understand what happened there! As you you mentioned The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, I think this a book a lot of Germans dislike but in fact is sometimes read in schools (For more opinions on this I'd recommend reading the reviews on Goodreads for example). We read When Hitler stole Pink Rabbit by Judith Kerr in grade 5. It's a story about a young Jewish girl and her family who had to flee Germany. It tells the story about how this little girl understood what was happening at the time and it's autobiographic! In grade 8 we read The Wave by Morton Rhue which is also based on true events and shows that ideological phenomenons can occur everywhere anytime. I'd really recommend to read The Wave! And as you also mentioned the Scholl siblings I'd also recommend to watch Sophie Scholl - The Final Days which we also watched in school but I don't remember the grade I was in. I rembered while writing this huge comment we also talked about WW II in religious education! In Germany subject is divided into catholic and protestant religious education. As I was part of the protestant religious education we talked about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a theologian who was against Nazis and murdered by the NS regime. I believe we watched the movie Bonhoeffer - Agent of Grace. I think his story and character is really interesting and inspiring even for someone who is not religious.
@nighthunter3039
@nighthunter3039 4 жыл бұрын
@Catherine V. Yes pretty much the same for me. We also watched Schindlers List and visited a KZ in the 10th grade. We had Ww2 in the 8th to 12th so at some point we all burned out on it and no one wanted to hear anything about ww2 any more I think that is a thing that still has to be improfed cause it loses the intrest and a bit of its meaning cause of this that we have this to often... its better than to less but still not ideal
@flowerdolphin5648
@flowerdolphin5648 4 жыл бұрын
@@nighthunter3039 I was fine with it, because I always thought it was super interesting, I was just fed up with it because we had a bad teacher with whom we studied it from grade 9 to grade 12. If we had had a better teacher in those years, who wasn't just talking in front of the class all the time & repeating herself day after day, year after year, I'd have enjoyed history class much much more. Other topics she taught better, because they only came round once, but WW2 she didn't teach ideally.
@nighthunter3039
@nighthunter3039 4 жыл бұрын
@@flowerdolphin5648 I mean we had it from the 8th to the 12th... so yeah at some point we just knew every thing and did the exact same stuff for the third and fourth time... but there are differences in the school systems between states so It might have been better were you're from its intresting and important don't get me wrong but it also bears a danger that is losing some intresst over time or for some time. (I'm from lower Saxony)
@flowerdolphin5648
@flowerdolphin5648 4 жыл бұрын
@@nighthunter3039 I'm from Austria. I get that, but I had the impression that among my classmates and myself, most were never completely exhausted of the topic. For me personally I think it was because we were introduced to WW2 at such a young age, it really settled in my brain & I just kept wondering why. Even after I learned a great deal about why, it was still interesting, because of course we never got to cover every single thing that happened, so actually I studied up on ww2 in my spare time & I remember from chit chatting with my classmates that some of them did the same. There were a lot of things I learned about the war period, outside of school, which made me choke up, but one of the most emotionally devastating, yet most interesting things to me personally was when I saw a biographical play about Friedrich Zawrel (but written under his observation). It was about the things Heinrich Gross did to him and other children during the war and how Gross still ended up being such a powerful presence after the war. And when I told my mom about the play afterwards & she said that Gross actually was her father's boss for decades and supposedly quite nice, I was incapabable of functioning properly for a looooong time, trying to make sense of everything. It may be devastating at times, but it's all these new discoveries that keep me interested in the subject.
@dumitrache12
@dumitrache12 4 жыл бұрын
So pretty much youth brain washing only the "good guys" are enforcing it. Are you ever tought of the prowess of weirmarcht soldiers, how France fell in a matter of months, how officers defied orders and escorted civilians out of Berlin before the Red Army aproaches?
@skug1693
@skug1693 Жыл бұрын
Unrelated but I live in the southern part of the U.S. I know people who call the civil war “the war of northern aggression.”
@Eogil247
@Eogil247 4 жыл бұрын
Student from Germany (state NRW ) here: First off I want to say that this video is very accurate. But I want to add that (9:38) to avoid this problem of guilt our history teacher made sure to correct us if we refered to the german people as "we". She also wanted that we treat past germany as if it were a different country because it changed so much over the years. I also want to point out that WW2 is also a topic in philosophy and german classes to a lesser extend.
@Smilley85
@Smilley85 4 жыл бұрын
The "don't say we" thing has an interesting connotation: many German soldiers returning from the war and especially after being confronted with the atrocities they had committed during the Nuremberg trials had curious "battle scars" on their shoulders - where their SS tattoo used to be. In my youth, a good number of elderly had participated in WW II - none of them wanted to tell their grandchildren "See that Nazi officer ordering unarmed, innocent Jews to die? I used to be one of those". I remember my history teacher telling me that we would be one of the last generation to be able to talk to WW II veterans, and that notion stuck with me. Now the number of people even remembering the events first-hand is dwindling fast.
@SennaHawx
@SennaHawx 4 жыл бұрын
@@Smilley85 Yeah. My grandfather was born in 1922 and died in 2017. He was one of the many classes that joined the German army voluntarily and he died as the oldest one of his class in 2017 at age 95. Considering you had to be 18 to become a soldier, that leaves a very small amount of WWII participants left alive. It stuck with me aswell. Almost as much as the fact that a former neighbor of mine was a woman that still witnessed "Germany" having an Emperor.
@swanpride
@swanpride 4 жыл бұрын
@@SennaHawx A notion which is now introduced is the notion of "Zweitzeugen".....as someone who listened to people who experienced this time my whole life, including holocaust survivors, I belong to this group. And I make sure to listen carefully.
@Mike79745
@Mike79745 4 жыл бұрын
Different country but the same people. What else? Maybe Germany freed from bad Nazis? Made me laugh. Do not rewrite history.
@uncletrick1
@uncletrick1 4 жыл бұрын
They should teach the students in the US about the dangers of group think. So many have fallen under its spell.
@oxygenstealer4078
@oxygenstealer4078 4 жыл бұрын
"Group think" .... Mob mentality?
@whisper1776
@whisper1776 4 жыл бұрын
Mob mentality is taught in AP European history however it takes up about one paragraph of the many in the course. Yes I wholeheartedly agree it should be emphasized more because it is present in all destructive activities such as Protests turn Riots and Political campaigns turn Crazy emotionally charged mob.
@ashleyplace7395
@ashleyplace7395 4 жыл бұрын
I agree it should be taught in grade school/ high school. I learned about group think in my College Psychology class.
@kathyf.2002
@kathyf.2002 4 жыл бұрын
Robert L that is a good idea, but the parents and politicians would argue for so long about what should be taught, the kids will have graduated.
@jennybugsification13
@jennybugsification13 4 жыл бұрын
Nah, we like to skip stuff, change the narrative, or get a summarized version... as you can see, that's worked out well.😶
@schaetzcken01
@schaetzcken01 Жыл бұрын
I have one thing to add. Our school did not start with the Weimarer Republik, but with the Versailler treaty. Because that one had a big impact in why the Weimarer Republik failed.
@johanes5657
@johanes5657 3 жыл бұрын
We learn about WWII like everybody else does: -First we open our history books on page 42 -After that we remilitarize the Rheinland -Then we invade Poland Simple
@aninditapaul9291
@aninditapaul9291 3 жыл бұрын
Then the history class starts.
@ezy0161
@ezy0161 3 жыл бұрын
😭😭😭😭😭wtf
@fuckingidiot6985
@fuckingidiot6985 3 жыл бұрын
Learning by doing
@aninditapaul9291
@aninditapaul9291 3 жыл бұрын
@@fuckingidiot6985 Yes. So let's have a communist revolution, and then seize the means of production.
@MissChocolateLy
@MissChocolateLy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ezy0161 it's a German joke, don't worry.
@Publicenemy85
@Publicenemy85 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the Persian Gulf where I attended an English Private school attended by other expats all over the world. There was a small number of German kids who were with us. All I remember was how they would LOOSE IT whenever we teased them about their country’s Nazi history. The Japanese students in contrast had no freaking idea about Imperial Japan’s atrocities which led to a lot of awkward tension with the other Asian kids (Korean, Chinese, Filipino).
@h4roeverynyan55
@h4roeverynyan55 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I get called a nazi because of my origin I get super angry. Most german folk do anything in their power to let fascists know their place. I would gladly injure neo nazis if I had the choice, so when I get called a nazi I feel very attacked.
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