Why are movie swords always wrong? (An armourers thoughts)

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Tod's Workshop

Tod's Workshop

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@ОлегКозлов-ю9т
@ОлегКозлов-ю9т 5 жыл бұрын
-Oi, Pierre, have you seen our arrows lately? -No, what about them? -They got black fletching on them... Pierre, are we the baddies?
@Ch0pj0b
@Ch0pj0b 5 жыл бұрын
Webb and Mitchell.
@MikaelKKarlsson
@MikaelKKarlsson 5 жыл бұрын
Something 9 of 10 movie goers wont notice anyway.
@Sk0lzky
@Sk0lzky 5 жыл бұрын
We need this in some movie
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 5 жыл бұрын
@@Sk0lzky It should have been in Robin Hood: Men it Tights.
@JMcMillen
@JMcMillen 5 жыл бұрын
@@kevinsullivan3448 or Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
@tuomopoika
@tuomopoika 5 жыл бұрын
Probably the most annoying thing in movies is that armour often doesn't do anything. People just slash through mail and sometimes even plate.
@shanemccarthy265
@shanemccarthy265 5 жыл бұрын
GoT has a guy stabbing through plate, mail, and gambeson all the way through the torso. So two layers of plate, two layers of mail, and two layers of gambeson, plus the torso itself. These shows need to have a historian, and for the choreography there needs to be a HEMA instructor.
@Tyrhor
@Tyrhor 5 жыл бұрын
As a former weapon specialized stuntman, I would like to say there are a few reasons this commonly happens 1) Safety: You want the actor to perform the stunts, but he/she is not skilled enough. Hitting the armor is safe and there will be only a few people complaining, so why not. 2) Speed: The action has to be fast, but not really violent. I can write a choreography of one hero cutting through a dozen armored opponents, but it will be really bloody and I would need a lot of time to train the actor to actually do it. Cutting the chest or belly is the fastest and least bloody way of doing such a scene 3) Money: Most commonly, the budget cuts didn't allow more complex choreography to be in the scene. We were a rather cheap crew to film with, yet as far as I know, it can cost about 50 000 USD per day of training. With the payment like that for every day of choreography preparation, you don't wanna have too complex scenes. (PS: Feel free to ask me anything about stunts)
@MrMaxBoivin
@MrMaxBoivin 5 жыл бұрын
The worst part of historical movies is the forced diversity.
@ToteDichter1984
@ToteDichter1984 5 жыл бұрын
@@Tyrhor How were stunts filmed? Are they seperated from the normal movie stuff, like on special days, or do they directly follow the scene before, to avoid continuety mistakes? I want to become a director, and learn much stuff. Not that easy without the right connections, so I ask anyone everything, I could need to know, to form a project and coordinate a team.
@TacoSallust
@TacoSallust 5 жыл бұрын
@@robertslobson Oy he was born an Aussie
@moatddtutorials
@moatddtutorials 5 жыл бұрын
everyone knows that a trotting horse's hooves sound like coconuts
@Bear-cm1vl
@Bear-cm1vl 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder why that might be... 😃
@szethtoxicco1710
@szethtoxicco1710 5 жыл бұрын
@Kent Goertzen What the hell are you even trying to infer?
@lordwasabi6330
@lordwasabi6330 5 жыл бұрын
Swallows are known for carrying migrating coconuts.
@speleokeir
@speleokeir 5 жыл бұрын
@@lordwasabi6330 African or European swallows? kzbin.info/www/bejne/opqsnYpjpNurZrs
@Zonnymaka
@Zonnymaka 4 жыл бұрын
Sometime knights don't even need an horse...but a pair of coconuts :)
@arttukorppivuori8038
@arttukorppivuori8038 3 жыл бұрын
One further reason for the industry love for the back scabbards is - I'd imagine - that it allows you to show the weapon right alongside that expensive face. You get the actor AND the character specific hilt design neatly right there in a close-up.
@RobKinneySouthpaw
@RobKinneySouthpaw 5 жыл бұрын
The last time I went hunting Orcs, pretty sure we were armed with just some No2. HB pencils and some funny dice.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 5 жыл бұрын
Ah, nostalgia :-)
@johnladuke6475
@johnladuke6475 5 жыл бұрын
There is NOTHING funny about a D4 when you step on it. Nerd caltrops.
@Keifefromtwitchtv
@Keifefromtwitchtv 5 жыл бұрын
Funny or Fuzzy dice?
@SumNutOnU2b
@SumNutOnU2b 5 жыл бұрын
Heh ... I saw "armed with just some NO2." and my first thought was "what does nitrous oxide do for you against orcs?"
@abigailslade3824
@abigailslade3824 5 жыл бұрын
And a can do attitude
@jasonq7504
@jasonq7504 5 жыл бұрын
I can tell you what kind of sword I use to hunt Orcs. I’m more reluctant to admit that I haven’t found an Orc.
@jamiemccormick8259
@jamiemccormick8259 4 жыл бұрын
You have to coat the blade with the blood of a maiden, that attracts the orcs.
@leonaldobrum
@leonaldobrum 4 жыл бұрын
To properly hunt Orcs, you need a machine gun. The reason is that they are too fast, too strong, so you need a high rate of fire - definitely no hunting rifles. OR you need even more phantasy - then you use a sword bigger than a human. I consulted with Professor Orc and he told me that their worst fear is to be rendered immobile by laughter, they really cannot control their views of the ridicule. And ridicule is abounding in all "medieval" enactments in movies and comics. Look at what happened to the Dragon when he looked at puny George 😉
@12jswilson
@12jswilson 4 жыл бұрын
King Elessar promised to get rid of the Orcs. Promises made, promises kept. You're welcome. Vote #Elessar2020
@luna_moon6662
@luna_moon6662 4 жыл бұрын
Wut weapon dammit???!!!
@dominic6634
@dominic6634 4 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem
@captainnwalps6689
@captainnwalps6689 4 жыл бұрын
“They will wear open-faced bascinet” mighty bold of you to assume the actors will wear helmets at all
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 4 жыл бұрын
They might... but then there's always some excuse as to why the helmet is either taken off, falls off, or ends up missing.
@Tiberiotertio
@Tiberiotertio 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Henry V with Kenneth Branagh no helmet at all, as a royal noggin needs no protection.........too much BS I don´t watch reguardless of the explainations. Best example "The Last Kingdom" books great entertainment, the film puke! Lindey Beige took that series nicely apart. Not financing filmmakers rubbish.
@8015908
@8015908 4 жыл бұрын
Helmet off then I turn off movie.
@rdt1104
@rdt1104 4 жыл бұрын
They should ALL wear helmets all of the time, and keep their visors up with one hand. - Monty Python
@kimosabe6692
@kimosabe6692 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tiberiotertio Especially after he got shot with an arrow at 16 years of age.
@willdbeast1523
@willdbeast1523 4 жыл бұрын
My view is that I can deal with it being historically inaccurate but not historically implausible. They can have armour that's a couple of centuries out of date and the wrong colours but it should behave like armour and be functional in the setting.
@dhorn4005
@dhorn4005 3 жыл бұрын
The thing that bothers me most in when they get things wrong by overcomplicating things. In Vikings, for instance, saxon or frank soldiers are given some ridiculous armour that never existed in orther to make them look more uniformed than the vikings... Yeah, I undertans, making lots of long chainmail gambesons (the most acuratte type of armour for carolingian era soldiers) would be pretty expensive... BUT gambesons made of cloth would be much cheaper and historically accurate! Most foot soldiers who could not afford mail (or whoose lieges could not afford to equip them anyway) still would wear cloth gambesons. With cloth gambesons, helmets and shields you can equip a large group of soldiers and make them look a real medieval army. Add some officers or knigths with full mail armour, some mail coifs (you can buy them already made ones for just 40€ so you dont have your costume department saturated making mail) and you will get an uniformed regular army in no time... Also, when you need your soldiers to be gutted by vikings; it's much more realistic if they die easilly wearing ligth armour than if they are killed wearing full mail...or worse, full plate But no. They prefer to made up wacky armours that did not exist nor even look to work propperlly (I'm thinking thoose englishmen in Braveheart; with random pieces of square metal bits just stiched into their sleeves and trousers)
@purpledave3271
@purpledave3271 3 жыл бұрын
So...no First Knight? I'm not the sort to actually ruin my filmgoing by trying to find all the historical inaccuracies, but I _hated_ the stylized armor in that flick. It looked like they were wearing the medieval equivalent of bowling shirts.
@willdbeast1523
@willdbeast1523 3 жыл бұрын
​@@purpledave3271 yeah it's a shame cos it's an extremely good film in other ways. At least in that one the armour actually does something some of the time... doesn't just get chopped through like paper.
@EricRoberts2112
@EricRoberts2112 3 жыл бұрын
YES!
@snowburn14yt
@snowburn14yt 3 жыл бұрын
"With respect to the requirements of art, a probable impossibility is to be preferred to a thing improbable and yet possible." -Aristotle, Poetics Impossible: a 12th century soldier wearing armor that wasn't seen before the 14th century Improbable: a soldier weighing himself down with hundreds of pounds of plate mail that somehow still gets torn to shreds like it's tissue paper - they'd *probably* just go for maneuverability with the type of cloth gambesons Dhorn mentions, if their opponents' swords were so sharp (/magic)
@woopimagpie
@woopimagpie 4 жыл бұрын
I loved how Peter Jackson got around the wonderful LOTR artwork copyrights of Alan Lee and John Howe by employing them as art directors on the films. Very clever. We've all marveled at the beautiful pictures in many editions of the books over the years done by those two men, how fantastic that the films were able to recreate so many of those iconic scenes. With the added bonus of him being able to ask them "can you draw suck and such?", and then taking that drawing to the set department and saying "can you make it look like this?" Luckily both Alan and John were thrilled to be involved. That's how it should always be done, but sadly the opportunity to do so arises very rarely. Of course LOTR is a fictional work, not an actual historical recreation, but I'm sure you understand my meaning. Great video Tod. I could listen to you all day.
@Phenix19
@Phenix19 3 жыл бұрын
Suck and such
@dylanduke9963
@dylanduke9963 3 жыл бұрын
Technically, you could hire the artist who owned the copyright to the descriptions and they would not have to provide you with the copyright they hold... itd need to be specified that they would use the copyright you want... so in effect, you're still buying the copyright..
@vostokcosomonaut5205
@vostokcosomonaut5205 2 жыл бұрын
@@Phenix19 An interesting proposition from Peter there ;)
@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human
@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human 3 ай бұрын
On the cast audio commentary of Fellowship, I remember the Hobbits talking about turning up at the Rivendell set and seeing Alan Lee adding finishing touches onto things. He wasn't just an art director, he actually helped WETA design and decorate many of the sets.
@MrVeps1
@MrVeps1 4 жыл бұрын
It's sort of sad that we've basically imagined a history without colour, so that every medieval peasant has to wear dirty beige, every castle has to be gray, togas are white and so on.
@datalt7873
@datalt7873 4 жыл бұрын
Leather biker gear
@alextusv
@alextusv 4 жыл бұрын
Throughout history colours were expensive
@MrVeps1
@MrVeps1 4 жыл бұрын
@@alextusv That very much depends on the colour. Red wasn't terribly expensive, nor was yellow. You might spot the difference between a cheap red and an expensive one, but "colour" by itself wasn't expensive, only the ones that were difficult to make dyes and paints of. That's why purple was such a big deal. It's not like nature itself defaults to dirty beige, and whitewash for the houses was dirt cheap.
@wilhelmu
@wilhelmu 4 жыл бұрын
my local castle is red cause its made out of brick
@alextusv
@alextusv 4 жыл бұрын
@@yalewaller5721 which was cheap?
@SidneyBeers
@SidneyBeers 5 жыл бұрын
Personally i would think seeing a battle from the perspective of a knight in full plate trough a visor could make a good claustrophobic scene.
@osmacar5331
@osmacar5331 5 жыл бұрын
Add heavy breathing and strikes too, just to add tension to it, hell, i know a good story for it too, give a bit more time, a script
@SidneyBeers
@SidneyBeers 5 жыл бұрын
@@osmacar5331 budget wise a short would be extremely doable and youtuable
@dennispetrov9628
@dennispetrov9628 5 жыл бұрын
Actually I remember seeing something like that in my early schoolyears: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2HagaN5jaxqmJY Not much, but close to the point )
@zerozeroone4424
@zerozeroone4424 5 жыл бұрын
@@dennispetrov9628 that was great. If someone were to take that idea with a higher budget and better choreography, it would be amazing. Like something out of the videogame, 'Kingdom Come: Deliverance'
@dennispetrov9628
@dennispetrov9628 5 жыл бұрын
@@zerozeroone4424 yeah, and it would be even more amazing to watch in a VR-headset
@mikehenthorn1778
@mikehenthorn1778 3 жыл бұрын
Great video sir. As a photographer who shot a lot of Cosplay and reenactors a varies timeframes I can certainly say that I've had to instruct people to pull things or turn ways that are completely wrong but look right from the camera side. In the end it's all about telling the story
@gindling1054
@gindling1054 5 жыл бұрын
still waiting for that Corinthian Column blockbuster! Steve Buscemi as the master stonemason and Kate McKinnon as his muse, and the Rock as the columns of course. Cinema Gold!
@kirillbessonov876
@kirillbessonov876 5 жыл бұрын
гыыыы
@hansvonmannschaft9062
@hansvonmannschaft9062 5 жыл бұрын
You sir made me laugh hard. Thank you very much. May you have a great day!
@ottodeluxe
@ottodeluxe 5 жыл бұрын
You have no idea how many people would watch that movie just for The Rock. And probably not even be disappointed.
@poiuyt975
@poiuyt975 5 жыл бұрын
@Colin Cleveland Corinthian Column: The Second Row ;)
@ian1352
@ian1352 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure The Rock has the acting chops to convincingly play a column.
@bunk1860
@bunk1860 5 жыл бұрын
You pointed out a lot of valid reasons why movies props often can't be historically accurate, most of the reasons would have never occurred to me. Thanks for making me a tad bit smarter.
@derekbroestler7687
@derekbroestler7687 5 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain Sir!!! I'm a locksmith who occasionally gets work making or modifying prop locks and other lock related devices for movies and TV shows filmed locally... My first one went like this... Them... "OK, so it's a 17th century pirate ship and we need you to make this key (purchased in bulk from some home decor store) work this thingie"..... " Me "OK, well that's not period accurate, see ships back then would have had toggles or slide bolts, and usually not locks as locks were both expensive and prone to rust back then... ALSO even if it IS a lock... this key is wrong.... it's not even really a key, it's way too big.... see it should be a...." "We're making a kids movie... Not a documentary... We just need it to look good and pop on screen, can you do it or not?"... Me "YES SIR!!!! I can make that work!!!" Then they tell you last minute that they need 6 more IDENTICAL copies within 24 hours... (now I plan for this, but back then it was a shock)
@THEPELADOMASTER
@THEPELADOMASTER 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly the response you got is exactly what I think when someone starts nitpicking those things. Did the movie say it was historycally correct in every little aspect? No? Well then shup up and watch the movie.
@derekbroestler7687
@derekbroestler7687 5 жыл бұрын
@@THEPELADOMASTER Oh I totally get it NOW... But for someone who also repairs and restores ACTUAL antique locks, as well as just being a locksmith, as we tend to be compulsively detail orientated (watching a scene in a movie involving lock picking, with a locksmith, is like watching a horror film with a trauma medic, something glaringly wrong just takes us completely out of the scene...)... It was a totally different mindset then what I was used to.
@CrownRock1
@CrownRock1 4 жыл бұрын
@@derekbroestler7687 Don't you just stick a nail or a paper clip in the keyhole and jiggle? I'm pretty sure that technique beats every lock.
@logicplague
@logicplague 4 жыл бұрын
@@CrownRock1 you can actually jiggle a paperclip, but only if it's shaped right(like an actual picking rake), and even then not every lock can be raked open. edit: and you still need to tension the lock somehow
@CrownRock1
@CrownRock1 4 жыл бұрын
@@logicplague well, I was just poking fun at movie style lock picking, but thanks I guess.
@jessechisholm4842
@jessechisholm4842 4 жыл бұрын
re: "What sword to take Orc Hunting?" The sword you already own, and already know how to use. That is the PERFECT sword to hunt orc's with.
@logosimian
@logosimian 4 жыл бұрын
This. If I went Orc hunting I would take a jingeom. Not because it's especially good for orcs. Because it's the only sword I have some skill with.
@purpledave3271
@purpledave3271 3 жыл бұрын
So, a lightsaber?
@jessechisholm4842
@jessechisholm4842 3 жыл бұрын
@@purpledave3271 I you have one, then yes please, go Orc hunting. Just a suggestion, though, not Orcs with their own light-sabers. Be smart about this.
@nicholasnicosia2325
@nicholasnicosia2325 3 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally this is the same advice for people looking for the best gun for home defense
@Avenus112
@Avenus112 3 жыл бұрын
Still rather have a projectile or a reach weapon. Keep those things away from me.
@thecaveofthedead
@thecaveofthedead 5 жыл бұрын
Just to say as a person very familiar with the commercial industry, there's something Tod can't mention: it's not unusual to have complete idiots in decision-making capacities. Most of them are called 'producers.' They will sometimes demand absurd things in the Dunning-Kruger belief that they know better what punters will think or like. So yes, he's totally correct and illuminating about the many practical factors. But they're not always grown-ups. And on the note about not being documentaries. Very true. But that can also be a cop-out when you realise that the masses Tod speaks about often derive their knowledge of history from these films and not from any other sources. Filmmakers have more responsibility than they like to tell themselves. And it's frequently only the opinion of the directors and producers that the masses will need these changes in order to enjoy the film as entertainment - and these heavily altered films sometimes bombing, and very accurate ones sometimes raking in millions will never convince them otherwise. They're not as rational as they pretend to be.
@99IronDuke
@99IronDuke 5 жыл бұрын
And that, I bet, is a major reason for silly and stupid errors, like giving all the British cavalry red trousers (rather than only the 11th Hussars) in the film Charge of The Light Brigade.
@hunterfindon1018
@hunterfindon1018 5 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with your second point that films have a responsibility for the mass's knowledge of medieval history. You are absolutely right many people develop their pool of "knowledge" from said films, but that is their fault. Unless the movie claims to be educational, they bare no responsibility for the stupid decision of a person to take what they see as immediate truth.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 5 жыл бұрын
Look at Kathleen Kennedy, she was kept as a producer because she made nice coffee. Moment she was in charge you could see ALL her terrible decisions.
@adamtennant4936
@adamtennant4936 5 жыл бұрын
I've worked on some horrific productions where you got (too many) producers putting their oar in purely for the sake of being seen to be "contributing".
@Mikey__R
@Mikey__R 5 жыл бұрын
People are stupid. A person /can/ be smart, insightful and curious about truth, but people, en masse, are tribal, entrenched in their own ignorance, and stupid.
@akhasshativeritsol1950
@akhasshativeritsol1950 5 жыл бұрын
I love it when a movie has the balls to put their expensive actors behind helmets/masks the whole time. Props to Dredd and V for Vendetta
@rnichol22
@rnichol22 5 жыл бұрын
Gladiator
@teeawa9412
@teeawa9412 5 жыл бұрын
Season 1 GoT shows armor is actually useful then by the end they make it paper armor.
@Adierit
@Adierit 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it's not really "balls" in those films, the entire identity of those characters *is* the costume.
@3nertia
@3nertia 5 жыл бұрын
I'd just like to point out that in Dredd, his mouth is visible which can still convey quite a bit of emotion
@Ruhrpottpatriot
@Ruhrpottpatriot 5 жыл бұрын
The produces in Dredd wanted some scenes where Dredd takes off his helmet, but because Karl Urban is a massive Dredd fanboy he refused.
@MayaWu44
@MayaWu44 5 жыл бұрын
I hunt the Orks with bolter loaded with Righteous Fury! Anyway, excelent stuff you are saying mister.
@CommanderSharpEye
@CommanderSharpEye 5 жыл бұрын
Deploy the space Marines!
@Dennis-vh8tz
@Dennis-vh8tz 5 жыл бұрын
I prefer an Assault Cannon with Hellfire rounds.
@TheLoxxxton
@TheLoxxxton 5 жыл бұрын
For emperors sake! Just send in a squad of terminators with a librarian in charge. Job done.
@RevRaptor898
@RevRaptor898 5 жыл бұрын
Purge with holy fire Brother.
@MayaWu44
@MayaWu44 5 жыл бұрын
@@RevRaptor898 May Emperor always shines at your dice Brother.
@budvizergaming2554
@budvizergaming2554 4 жыл бұрын
Still no excuse for the Nilfgardian armor that Netflix made.
@AMetroid
@AMetroid 4 жыл бұрын
That decision was made by the feminist writers (who did their damnedist to fk the story over with their agenda)
@TF_Tony
@TF_Tony 4 жыл бұрын
@@AMetroid uwotm8? xD Have a cup of tea, calm down, regain sanity.
@allanredhill8682
@allanredhill8682 4 жыл бұрын
@@TF_Tony its true tho. It was something along the lines of scrotum armor to show their toxic masculinity or some shit. Fact is the armor looks retardet but the show itself was pretty cheesy and b movie like anyway....
@TF_Tony
@TF_Tony 4 жыл бұрын
@@allanredhill8682 Citation needed. Although that concept is pretty hilarious and completely justified, if true, unfortunately, I couldn't find any sources to back up that claim other than people spreading the rumor without any original sources.
@davidbodor1762
@davidbodor1762 4 жыл бұрын
@@allanredhill8682 Doubt. I don't think it was meant to actually resemble a scrotum btw, it's probably incidental that people took it that way. My first thought was that it was a cost saving measure for background characters, but that didn't turn out to be the case. Either way they'll probably use different armor for season 2. Don't read into it too much mate.
@etelmo
@etelmo 5 жыл бұрын
Counterpoint to full face helmets: A Knight's Tale. The actors wear armor obscuring their face during the majority of fights, I suspect it primarily worked because the plot revolves around tournament fights of short duration with plenty of opportunity to show faces during interludes, and doing so let stunt doubles more easily take over the roles of an actors. It's a fantastic comedy, completely historically inaccurate and all the better for it.
@willis32
@willis32 5 жыл бұрын
That and the fact that they used stuntmen whenever the face shield was down thus saving them money
@etelmo
@etelmo 5 жыл бұрын
@@willis32 Yes, that's the "and doing so let stunt doubles more easily take over the roles of an actors." part =) It never felt jarring though, it was very well done.
@willis32
@willis32 5 жыл бұрын
@@etelmo honestly most of the time it doesn't bother me. Unless you've got a bloke with a longsword charging a phalanx I can suspend my disbelief
@tommeakin1732
@tommeakin1732 5 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. Some of the best films have portions where they have the balls to have noone even talk for five or ten minutes, and a combat scene where you're locked into the combat with the main character could be fantastically done. No disrespect to Tod, but I felt like most of his points were like this. I don't want more conservative, mostly mediocre films (imo); I want something that really tries to do it perfectly. Like nail the narrative structure of it, alongside making it gritty, realistic and historically accurate. I've no doubt people can do that if they're just willing to bother and invest in the idea
@gpgpgpgp1000
@gpgpgpgp1000 5 жыл бұрын
"We will, we will ROCK YOU! We will, we will ROCK YOU!" What do you mean that wasn't the common peasant's cheer??
@danthefrst
@danthefrst 5 жыл бұрын
Just have to say that i'm just as equally awestruck every time i see that 1 sec intro of yours. There are just so many things condensed down to the essentials. Shape, colour, speed, work, tools, makeing and all focused down and superimposed on your 4 quarters logotype. Its like a koan in video form. Just great work. Whoever did it... its genius.
@Jangocat
@Jangocat 5 жыл бұрын
The copyright aspect is interesting, I never thought about that. That sheds light on why some movie, TV, books, comics and games of the same initial story aren't exactly the same.
@PongoXBongo
@PongoXBongo 5 жыл бұрын
Kind of puts Disney's iron grip into perspective. They can make the same Mickey Mouse in whatever medium they want.
@jmitterii2
@jmitterii2 5 жыл бұрын
Copyright is such crap. Artificial monopoly. Anti-competitive garbage. Might as well throw for profit motive out the window... hence why there's only a handful of major media and publishers per each nation. They end up monopolizing content.
@harrymills2770
@harrymills2770 5 жыл бұрын
@@jmitterii2 : I think (don't know) that he's probably over-playing the degree to which copyright influences weapons choices made my movie makers. The idea of intellectual property is one of the few things that actually puts money in a creative person's pocket. I'd say we need MORE stringent copyright law. What we HAVE is a system where if you're big enough and have enough lawyers, nothing is sacred, and anything you almost had a thought about is YOURS. But if you're some low-budget creative type, they'll steal your stuff and sue YOU!
@sirrathersplendid4825
@sirrathersplendid4825 5 жыл бұрын
Copyright was one of the key reasons the Klingons look so different in STD.
@cerebraldreams4738
@cerebraldreams4738 5 жыл бұрын
@@harrymills2770 - I think we can reduce copyright length to 45 years after initial publication, while providing more stringent protection until the copyright lapses. Especially for the smaller scale producers, who might not have a legal team ready to go at a moment's notice.
@Valandar2
@Valandar2 3 жыл бұрын
My personal opinion... Anduril, Glamdring, and Aragorn's "Ranger Sword" from Peter Jackson's LOTR were three of the most perfect, beautiful, realistic, and ideal movie swords ever made.
@davidioanhedges
@davidioanhedges 5 жыл бұрын
Some things they do wrong because of safety, because of convenience, for a particular look But some things are wrong because the director/writer/producer said so ... and when they were told it was wrong, and everyone would know it looked out of place (including the masses) and were given a better, still unique looking option they insisted ... these are the ones I notice as it means the filmmaker just didn't care ....
@GasAirSpark
@GasAirSpark 5 жыл бұрын
David Hedges right, safety sure. Technical problems sure. Director/actor ego? Never, those idiots shouldn’t be paid a tenth of what they are.
@zakremmington6297
@zakremmington6297 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah those are the worst, like spins it doesn't add anything and everyone who has even spent a second thinking about how real life works hates them.
@sshep86
@sshep86 5 жыл бұрын
Films are not educational. They are entertainment. You guys clearly confusing Netflix with the documentary channel?
@ethanfields3853
@ethanfields3853 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's what this video is about.
@DoktorWeasel
@DoktorWeasel 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the big example of this that comes to mind is the Laurence Olivier Henry V. Where it had the infamous scene of a knight needing a crane to mount a horse. I remember seeing that the historical consultant begged the Olivier not to include it because it's not remotely historical and looks absurd, but he did it anyway.
@SaintCronch
@SaintCronch 4 жыл бұрын
Lord of the rings managed nice swords and hanging swords by the side! Kinda fun to think a fantasy film is more historical that actual historical films
@mikereger1186
@mikereger1186 4 жыл бұрын
Christoffer Bergström - I suspect that if riding you probably would hang the longsword somewhere on the horse’s harness anyway... trying to draw it from your side on horseback, you’d probably end up chopping the poor nag’s ears off.
@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human
@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human 4 жыл бұрын
In many ways, yes. However they suffer from the common mistake of armour being useless. I'm glad the main heroes only wore leather jerkins, because all the Gondorians who wore full plate still got killed effortlessly by crude arrows and slashing weapons.
@Jhakaro
@Jhakaro 4 жыл бұрын
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human this actually isn't that true. A lot of the time the orcs bash them over the heads and they fall down and arrows generally go through areas that are uncovered. Not always of course but there are many cases where this is true
@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human
@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jhakaro I'm talking about the movies. In the books the Gondorian heavy infantry was very good, but in the films their armour was made of tissue paper. One (in the siege tower scene) gets killed by a slash across the chest that in real life would have just left a scratch on his chestplate.
@maxwaggoner823
@maxwaggoner823 4 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, the director was rewriting Tolkien in his own image.
@torbjornkallstrom2316
@torbjornkallstrom2316 5 жыл бұрын
People talk about inaccurate historical fight scenes in movies, as if modern gun fights in movies are any more realistic :P
@lexex2550
@lexex2550 5 жыл бұрын
Hong Kong style gunfight
@brianspenst1374
@brianspenst1374 5 жыл бұрын
Ahhh the 15 shot six shooter.
@njalsand133
@njalsand133 4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean? Surely running into the face of John Wick so he can close range shoot you is a legit strategy
@danielaramburo7648
@danielaramburo7648 4 жыл бұрын
I understand that movies are flexible on what weapons are used, but when they show Japanese soldiers in ww1 with Soviet Ppsh43 from ww2 1943.... that upsets me. When I see a 1400s European knight with a katana.... that upsets me.
@point-five-oh6249
@point-five-oh6249 4 жыл бұрын
@@brianspenst1374 You think that's bad? What about Arnold Schwarzenegger wielding a $@!#'ing minigun off of a mount? Now I know the man is stronger than some oxen, but an 85-86 pound minigun with about 60lbs of ammunition, this isn't even including a power source because miniguns are electrically powered? First of all, it doesn't matter how strong you are, miniguns' weight distribution is ridiculously barrel heavy to compensate recoil, because otherwise firing it for just a moment would send it flying off the mount. Second, you cannot be stronger than the explosions of 2,000-6,000 7.62NATO per minute. Arnie would have lost an arm after the gun launched itself out of his hands. Lastly, How TF was he so accurate? The dude was sniping people with a heavy machine gun meant for covering fire and forcing enemies to retreat, hide, or get turned into swiss cheese. It wasn't meant to be a weapon to hit someone over the horizon with. I will take a 15 shot revolver over a dude wielding a minigun on foot ANY DAY. At least in film, you could say he reloaded the revolver when the camera was focused on other entities. I mean speed loaders were a thing back then.
@gabrielpottebaum5249
@gabrielpottebaum5249 4 жыл бұрын
"When the last time you went hunting orcs, what was the sword you used?" LARPers: "Well since you asked...."
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 3 жыл бұрын
- Realistically, a 7.62mm machine gun w/ 1200 rounds of NATO ball ammo! 😄 - Imaginarily, full gothic plate armor w/ sword and shield and I still got beaten by them even though they wore leather jerkins because all I could do is roll 1's! 🤦
@thomasfplm
@thomasfplm 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, I was the ork. And I was using a double sword and chain mail.
@carltomacruz9138
@carltomacruz9138 5 жыл бұрын
My beef is that in most swordfights, a kick is more likely to connect than the actual sword strike.
@alkohnest
@alkohnest 5 жыл бұрын
Also, in the less realism oriented sword fights when the combatants are both really skilled and one loses his weapon he just beats the crap out of the other guy until he gets his weapon back. Why even have a weapon if you are apparently capable of killing an armed opponent with your fists better than with a sword.
@justinthompson6364
@justinthompson6364 5 жыл бұрын
Well, that's because if somebody gets hit with a sword they're killed instantly, right? They can't end the fights that quickly! :P
@ToeCutter454
@ToeCutter454 5 жыл бұрын
@@alkohnest because when you have empty hands you are better able to grapple/wrestle/maneuver by closing the distance if the enemy hasn't already foolishly gotten too close by being over confident. a weapon merely holds an opponent at distance. at some point if an enemy closes the distance beyond what your weapon is capable of functioning at then YOU are at a disadvantage unless you drop your weapon to free up that extra hand... OR pull out a hidden dagger/knife which is able to function in a far smaller space. CQB comes down to who has the better skill/will to want to live but hollywood always wants the hero to prevail so it's a false sense of reality in truth.
@ThePalatineHill
@ThePalatineHill 5 жыл бұрын
if they had those pointed boots it would make a load more sense tho
@Academicidiot
@Academicidiot 5 жыл бұрын
Dam, if only I brought a dagger too.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 5 жыл бұрын
What really annoys me is when the chain mail is a sweater with silver paint.
@mfactor88
@mfactor88 5 жыл бұрын
the worst ever, for me was that shithouse movie First Knight. they had stupid blue skivvies with little square plates stuck on them :D
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 5 жыл бұрын
First Knight was such crap on other levels that I don't even remember the armor :-) It's amazing how bad a movie can be despite a whole host of awesome actors.
@fredygump5578
@fredygump5578 5 жыл бұрын
Heard of "steel wool"? I don't see the problem... :)
@armorfrogentertainment
@armorfrogentertainment 5 жыл бұрын
That's a bad habit film picked up from theatre. Theatre costumes need to look good and convincing from 20 or 30 feet away. From that distance, painted string does look like mail.
@zeppohoj3188
@zeppohoj3188 5 жыл бұрын
And what annoys me is when people allways say chain mail.. Its called mail. Not chain mail.
@jester_1973
@jester_1973 5 жыл бұрын
I remember myself and the other fight guy being asked to use epees for fighting a British Civil War sequence. We refused because it was for a Son e Lumiere, which is played out mostly in the dark. You couldn’t see where the tips of the swords were. It would only have taken one of us to be slightly out of step for the scene to get very real, very quickly. In the end we used very plain, and blunt, swords which sounded great when bashed together, could be easily filed back to take the burrs out and wouldn’t have costed much to replace if they became unusable. Would the other swords have looked more authentic? Perhaps. But our choice was safety over appearance and nobody in the audiences even noticed.
@Windhawk
@Windhawk 4 жыл бұрын
"Peasants are always dull. They're not bright." Wait a minute ... oh, he's talking about the color scheme! Isn't he?
@assumjongkey1383
@assumjongkey1383 4 жыл бұрын
No it an't
@TurinTuramber
@TurinTuramber 3 жыл бұрын
I got more annoyed when poor down trotten peasants toiling in the mud are all immaculately clean.
@assumjongkey1383
@assumjongkey1383 3 жыл бұрын
@@TurinTuramber u got mud on ur face!!!!!u big disgrace!!
@olsim1730
@olsim1730 3 жыл бұрын
@@TurinTuramber Exactly! Especially when(in Britain at least) peasant folk had only two baths in their lives..one at birth and one at death...
@ninjacell2999
@ninjacell2999 3 жыл бұрын
@@olsim1730 this isn't true lol
@jacobnion2525
@jacobnion2525 5 жыл бұрын
Since when are pointed sabatons not cool anymore?? I wear those all the time. And guess who's always the centre of the party.
@opwards
@opwards 5 жыл бұрын
not the greatest for playing soccer though hey! lol.
@delphicdescant
@delphicdescant 5 жыл бұрын
Naturally you're at the center since everybody else forms a wide ring around you as they try to avoid getting stabbed in the shins.
@robertlewis6915
@robertlewis6915 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome for kicking people in the rear too, punches right through the pants and into the flesh for a painful wound.
@ironpirate8
@ironpirate8 5 жыл бұрын
How are they for driving?
@robertlewis6915
@robertlewis6915 5 жыл бұрын
​@@ironpirate8 I had to get my car refitted a bit, but they're workable. just have to be careful getting out.
@wagonburnt
@wagonburnt 5 жыл бұрын
I love that this very knowledgeable man, who actually makes accurate reproductions.. somewhat involved in the movie making process...just told off every pedantic, know it all, in a language they'll all understand.
@Snagabott
@Snagabott 4 жыл бұрын
I watched it all, and I still feel pretty pedantic. I buy the part about points on swords. But the rest of it... To me, it's all about the "feel" that the movie is going for. If it's a "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" style flick, then by all means let the swords "schwiiiinnngg" and have armor be worthless and let people somersault and dance around with their backs to the enemy and observe all the other tropes established for that genre. But if the movie tries tell me with a straight face that it represents a period, then I expect to be taken into that world. Surprise me. Wow me. Don't be afraid to educate me. Maybe I will even see something I haven't seen before. If some things don't look "cool" to modern sensibilities, but are clearly treated as such in 'verse, wouldn't that just be a way to further tell us that we're not in Kansas anymore? Cinematographers suddenly don't wanna take any excuse to play around with colors on film now? How did that happen? Surely the problem of differentiating the two sides was the same for the actual fighters back in the day (and a damn site more important)? What solutions did _they_ have to that problem? And what do I need to care if actors are expensive? Bits of ornaments and heraldry on people's gear wasn't uncommon at all, so why would a proper helmet automatically mean we can't tell A from B? How much of this move is going to be spent on the actual cavalry charge anyway? Aren't limits supposed to be overcome in interesting ways, not just ignored? (and does it make me a bad person if I didn't even notice that the color difference on fletching was supposed to be something systematic?) Why do the heroes need "swords with built in extra oomph" if they wouldn't have had that for the fighting style their gear is otherwise supposed to portray? Aren't limits supposed to be overcome in interesting ways, not just ignored? If scabbards created so many problems when running around, how was that dealt with by the actual people carrying them? If equipment is found to be so impractical to walk around in as to be hazardous, how was that dealt with by the people using that? Aren't limits supposed to be overcome in interesting ways, not just ignored? I guess what I'm saying is this: The "rule of cool" only works when "cool" isn't just "stupid". (Oh and btw... I think village blacksmiths would make wargear when the occasion called for it, at least if the mass grave on Gotland is to be believed)
@CosmicDuck494
@CosmicDuck494 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure all of those points are valid, but there is also the matter of immersion. Inconsistencies tend to take you out of the moment. A perfectly historically accurate movie may not be desirable for most people, but historical accuracy is a continuum, and moving more towards accuracy is certainly possible. I would also differentiate between functional differences and purely aesthetic ones. Black fletchings or unhistorical family crests still work the same way. Rectangular Shields and back scabbards do not. But in the end I really think there is room for both the more realistic and the more fantastical historical movies. We have both in SciFi too, like for example Star Wars vs The Martian. You could make very similar points about the more realistic end of the SciFi genre, but there are still lots of people who like (or even prefer) that.
@AaronMcLin
@AaronMcLin 5 жыл бұрын
"Inconsistencies tend to take you out of the moment." This seems like an over-generalization. Wasn't Tod clear that for 99% of the people who watch movies, it doesn't matter? Not that I specifically disagree with you; _Aliens_ drives me crazy to this day, but for most people, rectangular shield are just shields. The functional differences that irk you are somewhere between completely unknown and random trivia to most moviegoers.
@CosmicDuck494
@CosmicDuck494 5 жыл бұрын
@@AaronMcLin That can certainly be the case. But just to offer an example of particularly bad design: in the last Hobbit movie (ok, not exactly a historical story, but even so...) the dwarves' armour is so horrendously impractical that the actors had to take it off in order to do the fight scenes. To someone who never thought about armour design, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. They see a bunch of warriors in armour, and then they see these warriors taking off their armour before going to battle.
@benstoyles1297
@benstoyles1297 5 жыл бұрын
Your point reminds me of the "I swear by these swans" scene in Outlaw/King which had basically everyone (even the "experts") googling what the hell they just watched.
@AaronMcLin
@AaronMcLin 5 жыл бұрын
It's true, @@CosmicDuck494, that sometimes movies do a poor job of explaining character actions to the audience. It seems to me that if the armor doesn't work for the _actors_ then it would have been redesigned; so if we're seeing the warriors taking off their armor before going into battle, then the audience is meant to understand that the armor doesn't work for the _characters_ on-screen. The movie may have done a poor job of conveying that to the audience, but no-one's perfect.
@AaronMcLin
@AaronMcLin 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, @@tods_workshop.
@msmorrissey
@msmorrissey Жыл бұрын
Thank you. You answered more questions than were posed in your wonderful video. Brilliant history. 👏👏
@zeppelinled3967
@zeppelinled3967 5 жыл бұрын
"This is the scabbard I have made, Dated early to mid 14th century" Tod are you immortal? time traveler perhaps?
@lorenioooooas
@lorenioooooas 4 жыл бұрын
@@Radhaugo108 No shit, obviously a joke
@jacknuber7442
@jacknuber7442 4 жыл бұрын
@@Radhaugo108 r/woooosh
@trolletarian
@trolletarian 4 жыл бұрын
There can be only one.
@rudolfrednose7351
@rudolfrednose7351 4 жыл бұрын
There can be only one!
@thatHARVguy
@thatHARVguy 4 жыл бұрын
*Gathering intensifies*
@stanbartsch1984
@stanbartsch1984 3 жыл бұрын
"Camera Tests" are pretty much the FINAL arbiter of whether a thing can be used. A weapon, armor, or set piece that causes camera issues [i.e. a tight weave pattern on a gambeson that causes Moiré patterns to appear on the final product] is right out, regardless of how "authentic" the weave was for the character who is supposed to wear it!
@dumpygoodness4086
@dumpygoodness4086 2 жыл бұрын
I LOSE MY MIND every time I see them do the "NIGHTTIME" scenes in films, but it's clearly daytime but they use a BLUE FILTER on the camera to make it appear it's moonlight. OOOOF!
@NobleUnclean
@NobleUnclean 2 жыл бұрын
Serious problems with this as a 3D designer. I would guess that such a thing comes down to budget.
@HawkJedilord
@HawkJedilord 2 жыл бұрын
Is there no way at all to adjust camera settings, use a different lens etc? Or is that a budget question rather then the equipment does not exist question? How the heck does documentaries get away with it when they do it accurately then?
@thebaumfaeller1477
@thebaumfaeller1477 Жыл бұрын
@@HawkJedilord I think the primary problem is cost and often safety. If you want to film in the dark you have a limited time to film, you may have to pay people more, you will still need light but that is more difficult to get right and it might be dangerous for action scenes if the people performing can't see as well. also dark environments may just not give you a good picture in the end so you end up having it not be true night so the audience can see what is going on better.
@HawkJedilord
@HawkJedilord Жыл бұрын
@@thebaumfaeller1477 I see. Unfortunate and interesting at the same time. Safety first is a good thing though.
@hermesconrad5283
@hermesconrad5283 5 жыл бұрын
Kurosawa managed to make great films without making very many of these compromises. Perhaps it was because he valued his culture over the minor inconveniences of his crew and his crew thought it worth the effort to portray things properly. Essentially this is the missing element from western cinema... respect. In this light it's hard to watch any of it regardless of how fun it might seem at first.
@akafuguvids
@akafuguvids 5 жыл бұрын
Didn't he have a bunch of fights with katanas used to parry each other's blows? And isn't that very inaccurate in that they would shatter if used this way? I'm not an expert on this, but that is what I remember reading somewhere.
@detolerandisstultorum
@detolerandisstultorum 5 жыл бұрын
Correct
@jonharker9028
@jonharker9028 5 жыл бұрын
Katanas don't shatter under extreme stresses; if anything, they snap. And no, direct parries-which are more actions of necessity than the deflects typically used-won't themselves cause either of two katanas to snap. However rigidly we may think they're held (even in the most firm hands), the way one holds a sword at the hilt has a fair lot of give. On top of that, the sorts of high-carbon steel used in katana blades aren't entirely brittle enough for two swordsmen to clash with blade-breaking force at first collision. A well-prepared blade won't snap.
@Matt-sf9ky
@Matt-sf9ky 5 жыл бұрын
@@akafuguvids Isn't that accurate? Ideally you won't parry in that way, but if its what you have to do to not get iron in the face... you do it. If they hit like that you'll get a nick or a splinter, and maybe they will snap. It's not an instant snap when two swords touch though, otherwise they'd never have survived the age of shields.
@DehJarlorNoob
@DehJarlorNoob 5 жыл бұрын
This. It's showing respect to reality and having a movie be actually better than its CGI or flashy props.
@Nozael92
@Nozael92 4 жыл бұрын
Love this video, it leave me with a lot to re-consider. I can read english pretty well but understand spoken english is very difficult for me. Your way of speaking is so "sharp" and accurate that your words are really easy to understand, thank you for that.
@shakti666
@shakti666 3 жыл бұрын
I too recognized that element in his vernacular though english is my native language
@Ora_
@Ora_ 4 жыл бұрын
I as a fan of movies would love to see: 1. Knights fighting with helmets on. (maybe they don't speak when they fight? They can do the talking before and after the actual fight.) 2. Scabbards (and other items and clothing) that have some color to them. I'm sick of all the fantasy/medieval movies with only gray and brown. 3. Single handed swords and shields. 4. Less leather. (Its not as cool as movie makers think) Hollywood is just scared of trying anything different from the norm.
@LucifersLandLord
@LucifersLandLord 4 жыл бұрын
The King on Netflix tried something different. Imo it worked a charm.
@CATGPlbCapacityPneumaticTireFo
@CATGPlbCapacityPneumaticTireFo 4 жыл бұрын
@@LucifersLandLord not amazing in terms of "trying something different" but certainly not close to the worst. As a movie it's phenomenal, but historically speaking it's definitely not amazing. It's like they just read some critical comments on a fantasy medieval youtube video and picked out the most prominent criticisms then made sure to give a quick nod to them. For example the duel near the beginning of the movie, where two stumbling knights slashed their swords at eachother for a bit was far from sensical, however they made sure they grappled and used daggers at the end. Armored opponents would be taken down using daggers in CQB. Other than that, there wasn't much to go on. The whole movie had a drab appearance, which while that is a result of the style they chose (and it worked great) it isn't really how you would want to go for a historical feeling movie. The Agincourt battle scene showed men at arms getting slaughtered by longbow arrows through plate armor. The whole battle was a giant pool of disorganized knights breaking off into one on one duels practically giving up on any sort of formation in the first second. Henry V's armor was very wonky and did not fit well. Henry V, the king, immediately ditched all his armor and more specifically his helmet and it all being conveniently explained away (like a king is going to rely solely on maille and a cuirass in the age of near full plate). Archers shot straight up in the air and rained their arrows on top of their enemies (which by all accounts did not happen). And the extras generally had really shitty armor. Basically most of the movie does fall victim to common medieval misconceptions and movie tropes. However, while there is alot to criticize historically about the movie, there is much to praise. It is certainly a very good movie, and it's historical shortcomings aren't overly prevalent enough to take away from the entertainment value. (Besides maybe the archer thing).
@APioneerInTheSeaOfStars
@APioneerInTheSeaOfStars 4 жыл бұрын
WH40k 5 Part series on youtube, Astartes, shows helmet work in cinematics.
@terryfeynman
@terryfeynman 4 жыл бұрын
well here is the thing, making movies costs serious money. Are you gonna risk that on something that might not work ? Or use the route you know does work ? Especially if the new route, even if it does work, might not make a huge difference. It is risk versus reward.
@FunkyAceFR
@FunkyAceFR 4 жыл бұрын
Have you watched The King on Netflix? I thought they had some great knights fights..
@chadfalardeau9162
@chadfalardeau9162 5 жыл бұрын
I agree about the fact that they need to pander to the masses. But that proves that the masses need to learn more.
@arnaudpascal1691
@arnaudpascal1691 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Plus, there is plenty potential to have very appealing visuals and atmosphere more more realistic elements.
@wulfheywood1321
@wulfheywood1321 5 жыл бұрын
As a re enactor one of my pet hates was ' ah but they didn't do that in (insert movie of choice)' . We spent so much time trying to teach people and that was what you got back 80% of the time, There were people who'd spent hundreds of pounds getting the right fittings and ornaments on their kit and get 'Saxon shields are square!'. On the point about the scabbard decoration, no most audience members won't be going ' oh flowers, I wonder what that means?' to use GOT as an example , there are people arguing ' Dany went mad because of Sansa/ Jon/Tyrion, that's why she burnt KL.' never mind the fact she's been lighting people up since she got the dragons . Seriously , they really aren't noticing a scabbard design, well apart from the re enactors/ history buffs who will move it frame by frame to see said design and call it out for being ten years to early or in the wrong country.
@stormveil
@stormveil 5 жыл бұрын
@@wulfheywood1321 Yes! This is a big point I think. The 'Average movie goer' treats what they see in the movie as historical fact. It may just be an inherent bias in humans to believe everything we see, but in any case that's where people get to. So actually, on the contrary, average people DO want to be informed of historically accurate things... and be entertained at the same time!
@ENIGMAXII2112
@ENIGMAXII2112 5 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed the the masses need to learn more...
@glenbe4026
@glenbe4026 5 жыл бұрын
I would also think these were not just excuses if bloody they were ubiquitous. They are not, so they are just excuses. For example, backscabbards are mentioned. BUT we often see side scabbards in productions. So the talk about backscabbards being about solving the "issue" of side scabbards becomes just a bloody excuse for the poor ability of those involved in the production.
@Texas240
@Texas240 5 жыл бұрын
Speaking of what the audience wants, We want...a shrubbery! (and, a period correct one, at that)
@darkdogzstudioz
@darkdogzstudioz 5 жыл бұрын
one that looks nice but isnt too expensive?
@stupidphone2361
@stupidphone2361 5 жыл бұрын
I just saw Roger. He went👉
@corazzinatanner498
@corazzinatanner498 5 жыл бұрын
And maybe a nice path down the middle
@arwahsapi
@arwahsapi 5 жыл бұрын
And maybe a herring to cut a tree
@JR-xr4fc
@JR-xr4fc 5 жыл бұрын
LMFAO!
@billybudd45
@billybudd45 4 жыл бұрын
I worked in the film industry here in the USA , and the main decision motivation is budget. The movies are getting better with historical accuracy. I love your work and products you sell. Peace William Sterling
@lindworm5384
@lindworm5384 5 жыл бұрын
LOTR is a proof that it is possible to make good and practical fantasy swords/armor in the movie, pity novadays noone doesnt even try and care about such things
@m.s.79
@m.s.79 5 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, i dont think that the books describe any form of body armour other than mail. So the movies are, in a certain sense historically inaccurate.
@SuperAWaC
@SuperAWaC 5 жыл бұрын
@UCuis6c20HsKgWdIwdMbGmJg platemail is not specifically mentioned, however, plate helmets are so it's really not too much of a stretch. ornate helmets are a big deal through all ages in middle earth.
@fireteammichael1777
@fireteammichael1777 5 жыл бұрын
The books are better! Sorry, had to be that person... though considering Tolkien's probably my favorite author and his works, my most cherished!
@Loccyster
@Loccyster 5 жыл бұрын
@@fireteammichael1777, books are almost always better because the films/tv shows will rarely, if ever, meet the expectations of our imaginations.
@juliantrueman6542
@juliantrueman6542 5 жыл бұрын
Swords and non-plate were good. But stuff like the gondor armour suffers from a lot of the same fantasy design issues as most fantasy plate does. Breastplates go way too low, the shoulders articulate way too loosely, the weird articulated tassets, total lack of throat or lower limb protection, etc.
@skepticalbadger
@skepticalbadger 4 жыл бұрын
The Mandalorian proves that protagonists can be helmeted for extended periods. Iron Man showed in 2008 that you could have a helmeted yet expressive face and unmuffled voice (inside the helmet) using the conceit of a virtual camera.
@calebsmith7179
@calebsmith7179 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say your second point stands, but the Mandalorian can have protagonists with helmets on for extended periods of time because their actors/actresses aren't your A-list/blockbuster actors/actresses who make $10+ million each film they star in.
@IngenieurStudios
@IngenieurStudios 4 жыл бұрын
@@calebsmith7179 Pedro Pascal isn't famous enough?
@calebsmith7179
@calebsmith7179 4 жыл бұрын
@@IngenieurStudios Pedro Pascal is not that famous, and I'm saying that as someone who enjoys his acting. Last time I checked Pedro is making six figures in the shows he's been in and his net worth is two million dollars. Now compare that to someone like Robert Downey Jr. who on average makes $33 million a film and whose networth is $300 million. It speaks for itself.
@pootispenser5089
@pootispenser5089 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that this helmet design harkens back to Boba Fett whose face is never seen in the original trilogy so we have an iconic character that has popularized the notion of a helmeted protagonist with an obscured face. The design is probably well-known enough that the audience can accept it as a substitute face for a while.
@slightlysublimated1619
@slightlysublimated1619 4 жыл бұрын
@@calebsmith7179 Lmao where the fuck did you get his net worth is only $2 million. The low end of estimates are at $30 million, and the highest at nearly $50m. Come on now, get the fuck out of here with throwing out false information.
@wordwoman9900
@wordwoman9900 5 жыл бұрын
I get this way with things like knitting, crochet, and spinning in historical films. I get that it just looks like she needs to be doing something industrious with her hands but THAT'S NOT HOW THAT TOOL WORKS AUGH! Thanks for the insightful video. :D
@thearcanehunter2736
@thearcanehunter2736 4 жыл бұрын
@@parad0xheart They should be more responsible though. Like it or not, people use movies to educate themselves, even if unintentionally.
@Kaucukovnik666
@Kaucukovnik666 3 жыл бұрын
@@parad0xheart Popular culture used to get away with anything easily for ages, because only isolated individuals among the audience recognized particular flaws. These days one person recognizes a sci-fi engine room as the brewery it is and the wole internet can be made aware overnight. I think this does call for a change of approach on the filmmakers' part.
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 4 жыл бұрын
13th warrior was a great film. Among my favorites.
@alexs5814
@alexs5814 3 жыл бұрын
Remember Banderas in the Expendables? i was hollering on the floor^^
@rhoonah5849
@rhoonah5849 3 жыл бұрын
Mine too. I recently bought the DVD to add it to my collection. Great movie.
@tyrionas
@tyrionas 3 жыл бұрын
great movie but not especially known for its historical accuracy
@federicogiana
@federicogiana 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrionas Well, since "the 13th warrior" is a fictional defictionalized "Beowulf" written by a historical character, they actually had a long road to walk with realism ;) Tod is triggered by the helmet... I'm triggered by the cavemen: there's so much wrong in them that I don't even know where to begin.
@mrspidey80
@mrspidey80 5 жыл бұрын
"This is a scabbard that i made. Dated early to mid 14th century." I did not know you are that old. Impressive.
@sexydoritosnachos6943
@sexydoritosnachos6943 5 жыл бұрын
@Thomas King A genuinely stupid comment. Why did you bother?
@jguenther3049
@jguenther3049 5 жыл бұрын
You know what he meant.
@chrisbaker2903
@chrisbaker2903 5 жыл бұрын
@Thomas King Sometimes it's just to get people with a stick up their ass to respond just as you did.
@l.jboylan6704
@l.jboylan6704 5 жыл бұрын
@@jguenther3049 IT WAS A JOKE WHOOSH
@Cryogenius333
@Cryogenius333 5 жыл бұрын
@Thomas King r/ woosh
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 5 жыл бұрын
There is a counterpoint to be made to the "studios have to pander to the masses" argument, which is the existence of trendsetters. If you take the sci-fi realm for example, movies like Interstellar and The Martian have been celebrated for actually taking the science into consideration. Now, people may not understand the reason why a black hole looks the way it does in Interstellar (which is actually based in the real physics), but it still looks amazing, because it is done and used right. And such movies can be game-changers for their respective genres. It may be tricky, but I do believe it is possible to achieve a good deal of historical accuracy while keeping even general audiences entertained and captivated. One just needs to see to it that those elements that are not self-explanatory to the audience are either so far in the background as to not distract people, or explained through the plot and context. A good example of this is "Master and Commander", which is an amazing movie that manages a substantial degree of historical accuracy. Audiences may be initially confused by some story elements, such as teenage boys being officers on the ship. But you accept them as part of the story pretty quickly, because it's not nessecary to fully understand them in order to follow the story.
@ln108
@ln108 5 жыл бұрын
Very good point. People in theaters don't "yearn" for it because nobody even tries. They come up with an excuse and stick to it. And it's really sad when the event itself is already amazing in the first place.
@migueeeelet
@migueeeelet 5 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of CSI Cyber. They tried to dumb it down for the masses... In the end, it was a show "too complex" for the masses and "stupid, nothing makes sense" for people who actually knew about stuff.
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 5 жыл бұрын
​@skywyze I can't speakwith authority on the matter, and I deliberately only pointed to the depiction of the black hole as an example, since I've seen other sources refer to it as more accurate to science than anything else seen on film. Hence the phrase "taking (...) into consideration". Wether it's accurate or not isn't for me to descide.
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 5 жыл бұрын
@@migueeeelet An uncanny valley of accuracy if you will. I think there are few things that take me out of the experience of watching a movie than realising that the moviemakers think their audience is dumb.
@migueeeelet
@migueeeelet 5 жыл бұрын
@@rockyblacksmith Entertainment should be made to be entertaining, but not stupid. You can simplify and streamline, but don't overdo it. It'd be like if Burger King suddenly called it's salads "gourmet" or some sophisticated shit.
@franciscodanconia3551
@franciscodanconia3551 5 жыл бұрын
16:30 When I go orc hunting, I carry an enchanted flanged mace, a heater shield, and a Rondel dagger. I would also use a bow, but my dexterity is only a 9, so I usually miss anything with an AC above 12 or so.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 5 жыл бұрын
They have a high reduction so blunt weapons are a good bet, but you are better off with heavy armour and a 2h tetsubou for the 2k3 damage, reduction ignore whilst keeping the knockdown chance. Bow build would be good with high reflexes, so your TN would be high but your DPR would be low due to the high reduction and low arrow damage, at least if the orcs wore armour. This could reduce your chance of getting tainted, but you might get one turn ko'd. Alternatively go magic, because magic is cheating.
@brucetucker4847
@brucetucker4847 5 жыл бұрын
I generally carry an AR-15. AR-10 if I'm expecting Uruk-hai.
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 5 жыл бұрын
I carry a monomolecular sword while riding my baneblade
@williamcasey1927
@williamcasey1927 5 жыл бұрын
I sell all of the weapons listed in this thread. I make out like a bandit, and avoid battlefields like the plague. Im an aging klutz!
@Zappygunshot
@Zappygunshot 4 жыл бұрын
I wish we lived in a world where you could go to the movies with your mates and watch 1.5 hours of Corinthian pillars in Ancient Greece. Actually, I just wish we lived in a world where you could go to the movies with your mates at all :(
@shacuras8201
@shacuras8201 4 жыл бұрын
Big oof
@seanc9520
@seanc9520 4 жыл бұрын
At least you ppl still have drive-ins. My country has zero such cinemas. So chances of going to a new movie would be like earliest next year. Might as well gather at the home of the guy with the best sound systems and biggest screen.
@damagingthebrand7387
@damagingthebrand7387 4 жыл бұрын
That would just be Ionic...
@greggeshelman
@greggeshelman 4 жыл бұрын
That would be a blockbuster hit film in the universe of "The Invention of Lying".
@usmcrvn69
@usmcrvn69 5 жыл бұрын
I made two knives for the "Lonesome Dove" series, following exactly the propmaster's directions. The "powers that be" decided they were too "shiny", but did use one in one scene.
@sunofpeter2
@sunofpeter2 5 жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool. I would like to what you made
@ImBarryScottCSS
@ImBarryScottCSS 5 жыл бұрын
Well informed, factual, properly reasoned behind the scenes look at peoples pet peeve. Absolutely unacceptable content for KZbin 😆
@macfilms9904
@macfilms9904 5 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent primer on many of the decisions that go into the historical accuracy (or lack) of a show. I started in Hollywood as a costumer, and worked most of my life in TV & film seeing the kinds of compromises you address here. A pet peeve of mine has always been the lack of helmets, or hats, on main characters in historical shows (up thru the great hat rejection of the 1960s) - but the lowest common denominator of a viewer must be able to distinguish characters in quick shots, and that won't happen if they have a helmet or hat on (just think of the bizarre & torturous lengths characters go to in removing helmets in the middle of combat in a film!). One point you didn't mention is how all the correct historical weapons & armor in the world go right out the window if an A list celebrity 'can't' learn to wield it, or just doesn't 'feel' it represents his or her character - the director will just say 'right, what else do you have?' and now it is on you to solve.
@alexaumeyer3573
@alexaumeyer3573 5 жыл бұрын
To distinguish a character you can give him a distinguish helmet or shield so that can be easy solved and yes this did happen in combat that William the conqueror removed his helmet to show he was still alive .
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 5 жыл бұрын
The only caveat is when the character is completely distinguishable even when wearing a helmet. You are never going to not know which Avenger Tony Stark is... Or which character is Darth Vader. The trick is to associate the character with the helmet on before we learn who the actor is. Then when we see the distinctive helmet we know who is wearing it. But then they would just get the helmets wrong every time.
@drm437
@drm437 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a set carpenter and we do a ton of stuff that doesn’t make sense in reality. That’s why it’s important to have conversations with various departments to understand why things are. There is usually a reason. (Mostly visual, but not always). A lot of the times you need to over emphasize things so that normal viewers notice it. Good video, I really enjoyed it. I will say that watching videos to explain the differences between movies and reality is enlightening for me, it’s just the attitude one takes making the video needs to be an effort enlighten as opposed to gotcha.
@DJHalfbarr
@DJHalfbarr 5 жыл бұрын
Always found the complete removal of colour from movie history interesting, as per your flowery scabbard - first lesson was the room of heads in the Vatican, heads from now marble white statues (removed by the catholics in the cultural cleansing), but still painted in lurid colours, as they were in the day - Apollo's big blue cartoon eyes stick in my memory. I have read the interior of Castles were festooned in colour, yet Hollywood has them as bare stone, as they are now, as ruins. Would love to see just a few shows/films do something 100% accurately, just so we could experience the true culture shock of history. Thanks for the video.
@LayneBenofsky
@LayneBenofsky 5 жыл бұрын
Many cathedrals, too, were wildly colored and painted before many of the "puritan" style movements in later centuries. It's such a funny thing we're missing out on. :)
@stubmandrel
@stubmandrel 5 жыл бұрын
@@LayneBenofsky Visit Stirling Castle and see the restored Stirling heads for a great example.
@broncosgjn
@broncosgjn 5 жыл бұрын
The ancient Greek iconic white marble buildings. Not so much. Scientific analysis has recently discovered microscopic paint samples in the stone. They were wildly colored in primary colors. So were the clothing worn by the Greeks. No white togas at all.
@sirrathersplendid4825
@sirrathersplendid4825 5 жыл бұрын
Grahame Nicholson - Yep, the Elgin Marbles. All technicolor. We did see a glimpse of the colour of the Ancient World in that excellent TV series Rome, but such treats are rare.
@kenduffy5397
@kenduffy5397 4 жыл бұрын
@Sir Rather Splendid... & unfortunately the reason that AWESOME Show was cut back by 2 or 3 seasons short as it was originally intended to run for by Hirst ( I think 🤔 it was Hirst? maybe not ) Is because it had already had gone WAY over Budget by Millions unfortunately! It's sucks we live in this“NOT interest in History” Century!
@ozziejim8472
@ozziejim8472 5 жыл бұрын
“Long bows creek “ holy shit I didn’t realise they added that in........ of cause they do!
@nigelbrownwellington6514
@nigelbrownwellington6514 4 жыл бұрын
I cried almost the whole way through “The Return of the Doric Capitals”
@jhend91
@jhend91 4 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, I just had surgery and shouldn’t be laughing so hard!
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 3 жыл бұрын
😅
@duncanbrave3465
@duncanbrave3465 4 жыл бұрын
The closest thing I have to an orc hunting sword is a Bowie knife made by Tod Cutler
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 4 жыл бұрын
Clearly a good choice!
@13tuyuti
@13tuyuti 4 жыл бұрын
I have some Cutlery made by David Bowie. Would that also work?
@Maric18
@Maric18 4 жыл бұрын
@@13tuyuti nah, thats for fae and spirits
@alexandernewman9735
@alexandernewman9735 4 жыл бұрын
Underrated thread, we should run all the way down the labyrinth with this one.
@WretchedRedoran
@WretchedRedoran 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexandernewman9735 I have a book full of Brian Froud (the concept artist behind the Dark Crystal and The Labyrinth) artwork!
@Killobot42
@Killobot42 3 жыл бұрын
This has been enlightening. Thank you for giving us some of your insight into this, it actually helps me be able to ignore these issues cause I can just lay blame at them being practical instead of ignorant.
@DavidCEberhartII
@DavidCEberhartII 3 жыл бұрын
Great video; Thank you. My favorite movie of all time is Excalibur. On the DVD commentary they talk about how they employed an entire army of smiths to make armour and weapons. The reliance on steel costumes adds a lot of weight and authenticity to the movie. Much better than when a movie uses Poly-Urethane.
@lonl123
@lonl123 2 жыл бұрын
Love that movie...and to go with the video, the armor is way more advanced for the period it is supposed to be in....but it looks so flipping cool....I am happy they made the choices they did for that movie. The armor and weapons and fight scenes are amazing.
@davidrenton
@davidrenton 2 жыл бұрын
the costumes where aluminium , Adam Savage did a 7 part series where Terry English makes him armour and Excalibur is referenced a lot (he made all the armour). It's well worth the watch
@dylanjones9061
@dylanjones9061 4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of how I'm always making fun of cop shows for those raid scenes where all of the SWAT officers are fully armored, but the heroes go rushing in first with no helmets, even though I know full well this is so that the audience can tell who the heroes are. I think I'm going to keep making fun of movies for getting things wrong even when I know their reasons for it because that's just how I am :P
@anthonybanderas9930
@anthonybanderas9930 3 жыл бұрын
I get the reasons but I also think that the reasons are stupid. Now if the companies wants to pander to the idiots, sure. But I can also be as aloud and noisy as the masses and try to force the company to pander to my taste.
@derricklarsen462
@derricklarsen462 3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonybanderas9930 your right anthony the reasons are stupid and this guy should take a look at the short film knight of hope.
@2adamast
@2adamast 3 жыл бұрын
No helmet is not the problem, rushing in first is, it's complex and lethal team work.
@thereturningshadow
@thereturningshadow 3 жыл бұрын
"Alright! We'll call it a draw." Most historically accurate film ever.
@mace8873
@mace8873 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video, I worked in the SFX-industry for 15 years, and everything you said in this video is spot on! Now, where I worked we primarily did stunt weapons; everything from safe remakes of historical weapons, or stunt versions of some real steel weapons someone had been contracted to make, to various improvised weapons. We made everything from bits of furniture, construction materials like planks, lead pipes, and tools. We made safe-to-slam-an-A actors-face-into steel bars for some prison door scene, and barb wire, baseball bats, trench clubs, and a bunch more I've already forgotten. We made bricks, rocks, broken off branches, a paving slab, and even a baked potato once. But, to be honest, the job I'm most proud of was when I "cracked the code" to making a bamboo cane you could beat the shit out of someone's bare ass with, without leaving as much as a red mark. That was probably my most memorable moment. That, and figuring out how to make realistic barb wire from rubber, without casting. Did learn quite a bit about barb wire in the process, but that's usually how it goes when you dive headfirst into a subject, isn't it...:-D Another thing I learned, is that the stunt guys are usually easy to explain that "this stunt prop is only going to stand up to a certain amount of abuse", they got it right away, they are used to make something look a hell of a lot more violent and dangerous than it actually is, in much the same way a trench club built by an SFX-guy, isn't going to cause any damage at all, but won't last as long as a real one would. We totally understood each other. Actors though, that's a different story...:-D Anyways, I'm rambling, thanks for sharing your knowledge, I've had the same "complications" as I'm sure you've had at some point, trying to convince yourself that the show must go on, even though what you're asked to do is totally against what you know as historical facts, and can barely be passed off as realistic. We might occasionally know better, but we're not always the ones making the decisions, and that's just the way it is - the only ones that will notice, are the other nerds that'll hate the inaccuracies as much as we do.;-)
@lutzderlurch7877
@lutzderlurch7877 5 жыл бұрын
On the gaudy colours and flower decorations, I would say it is a self fulfilling prophecy: For fear of the character being perceived unmanly, they are clad and armed dull and colourless. But the audience always sees serious manly dudes in black and brown, and is conditioned to expect a borefest aesthetic. I have to say, a decent person who. Ommands respect, can do so in a flowery costume just as well, if he is woth his salt as an actor.
@RazorO2Productions
@RazorO2Productions 5 жыл бұрын
Lutz der Lurch Like Errol Flynn?
@theblancmange1265
@theblancmange1265 5 жыл бұрын
I was disappointed to not see the Boltons in mostly pink clothes in GoT. There's Ramsay's flayed.man armour. It would be expensive and time consuming, but really badass.
@paavobergmann4920
@paavobergmann4920 5 жыл бұрын
plus the perception at the time, and thus the expectation of the onlookers, could be drastically different. Showing off how filthy rich you are by having all sorts of exquisite jewellery on you scabbard could have been ultra-manly.
@mielivalta
@mielivalta 5 жыл бұрын
I would go to see a "block buster of Corinthian columns" in a blink of an eye!
@peterwynn4088
@peterwynn4088 4 жыл бұрын
Every film should have a medic's input, to ensure that all injuries are accompanied by the correct amount of blood .
@phillipsofthedriver
@phillipsofthedriver 3 жыл бұрын
dunno about anyone else, but the most enjoyable thing about blood splatter in movies for me is how fake it is. Like in some Samurai movies, where off shot a head is cut off, and about forty gallons (US) of blood hits the wall. THAT is funny. Faces of Death style accuracy makes me ill. There is a move called Dead Alive from New Zealand. It was so over the top ridiculous it was the funniest zombie movie I'd ever seen until Dead and Breakfast. I was on a remote job somewhere in the 90's and saw a video for rent in a store that said "Dead Alive Productions" so I rented it without looking at the cover or the back. It was a series of snuff vignettes, of actual people being killed and/or eaten alive by animals. No. Just, no. I LIKE the fake stuff.
@toro5280
@toro5280 3 жыл бұрын
@@phillipsofthedriver I think it is Peter Jackson's first film. It is the one with the priest "kicking ass in the name of the lord" and with the dude who strapped the lawnmower to his chest to kill zombies, right?
@Krieghandt
@Krieghandt 2 жыл бұрын
@@phillipsofthedriver Check out Texas Chainsaw Massacre. My mother is like you, after 50 years in ER, she likes the fake stuff, and Texas Chainsaw had her howling in laughter.
@dumpygoodness4086
@dumpygoodness4086 2 жыл бұрын
I hate how everyone DIES INSTANTLY when shot anywhere on their body. Cripes. In my graphic novels, I mock everything and every one. EX: every time someone's head is chopped off or ripped off....i have their head on the ground, wondering why it takes over 3 minutes for them to die, and how awful it is just being that head on the ground, ha ha.
@themonsterunderyourbed9408
@themonsterunderyourbed9408 2 жыл бұрын
@@phillipsofthedriver You must like Kill Bill and Django Unchained.
@KevDaly
@KevDaly 5 жыл бұрын
For The Last Viking it might've been better to paint crosses on the Saxon shields - not historically accurate either but not as out of place looking as square ones.
@gufassina
@gufassina 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like the idea of a dumb director or producer that they had to go with.. The hairs on that show make it unbearable for me, models today don't walk around with hair that pretty and well done, how is this pretty boy in the late migration era pulling that off ? Cut it short or at least make it look bad, it's not like they had shampoo back then ffs.
@Aconitum_napellus
@Aconitum_napellus 5 жыл бұрын
@@gufassina They had various kinds of soap, and they definitely did wash their hair and comb/brush it.
@gufassina
@gufassina 5 жыл бұрын
@@Aconitum_napellus Not enough to look like his hair. Models today don't have hair like that on a daily basis. That's just got out of expensive salon level hair. The character travels for a week on horseback and has impeccable hair, this is migration era europe, they weren't bathing everyday either. It's just too jarring for me..
@baysword
@baysword 5 жыл бұрын
@@gufassina so you don't like all the long hairs in modern military movies either?
@gufassina
@gufassina 5 жыл бұрын
@@baysword It depends on the movie and how it looks. Another thing that annoys me is loose long hair combat, It's one of the worst things you could possibly do, it gets in the way of your vision and doesn't provide any benefit. Tie it up ffs, you're going into combat, you want things as optimal as you can get, looking cool is not relevant when it could cost your life.
@zachstanbery4060
@zachstanbery4060 4 жыл бұрын
You want to cast an actor that will let you cover his face for an entire film and he will crush it, Tom Hardy is your man. Also Karl Urban. Let those two play medieval knights and it will blow everyone’s mind.
@rendedspace5606
@rendedspace5606 5 жыл бұрын
16:16 a chainsword, is that a trick question?
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
Well, I carry a power sword now, but for the longest time I used a chainsword.
@thatHARVguy
@thatHARVguy 4 жыл бұрын
For the Emperor!
@Daniel-rd6st
@Daniel-rd6st 4 жыл бұрын
@@ScottKenny1978 Powerswords arent really all that great against orcs due to their great toughness, a powerfist on the other hand...
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-rd6st oh, absolutely. I haven't faced orks in years, though.
@Daniel-rd6st
@Daniel-rd6st 4 жыл бұрын
@@ScottKenny1978 Neither have i, ever since i left 40k with 5th ed. and dark herasy got discontinued :( Though i still do have my Warhammer Fantasy Orc army, which i sadly stopped playing because age of sigmar happened *sigh*
@shanekrauchi2465
@shanekrauchi2465 4 жыл бұрын
Very eye-opening. Which makes me further appreciate the craftsmanship and nuances that are involved in these types of projects.
@Forndrome
@Forndrome 5 жыл бұрын
Really a top-notch video, learned a lot, although I still hope there will be a move towards more realism due to more widespread historical knowledge.
@69swords
@69swords 5 жыл бұрын
Points well made !!! I worked with the 13thWarrior Props department . Originally they were making a Period looking 9th Century Viking movie . Then different Directors came in and they picked what they thought Looked Good instead of what was Right . . . As you stated, t'is a collaborative effort and not a Historical happening .
@Ambaryerno
@Ambaryerno 5 жыл бұрын
One of the worst parts of that movie was watching then grind down a Germanic pattern spatha into a vaguely scimitar looking...thing.
@Hibernicus1968
@Hibernicus1968 5 жыл бұрын
Hence the 17th century breastplate on one Viking sharing a screen with the Roman gladiator's helmet worn by another one.
@vardellsfolly5200
@vardellsfolly5200 5 жыл бұрын
13th Warrior is a beautiful movie and one of my favorites!
@krispalermo8133
@krispalermo8133 5 жыл бұрын
That is a pretty knife, when you die, can I give it to my daughter ?
@MrFloppyXXX
@MrFloppyXXX 5 жыл бұрын
The movie is great, the swords and outfits more than terrible. Vikings didn't have double handed swords. The swords didn't weigh over 1kg at the heaviest. So it could've never been too heavy for the little Arab. Vikings didn't wear hides and leather vambraces. A viking wore leg windings for example, which could be quite colourful. Even pink or lilac. Moviemakers have the duty to educate their audience. The real outfits are not more expensive than the crap they are wearing instead. So that can't be an argument.
@gregkokegei2531
@gregkokegei2531 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this video. Bar none, the most informative video I have seen on this topic. Thank you for explaining it in such a simple manner. Keep up the good work :)
@mattbrown5511
@mattbrown5511 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the elucidation. I am not that level of historian by any stretch of the imagination, but often know when something is not quite correct. You taught me the why of it today.
@whyjay9959
@whyjay9959 5 жыл бұрын
I know it's hard, and complicated in ways I don't understand. You can hear quite a bit about the process by watching movies with commentary tracks, for example. But I still think they can do better; That there's a lot to be gained from visuals whose meaning goes deeper than surface level, and a world that makes physical sense for the story to happen in, which might help things happen for established reasons instead of arbitrarily.
@zachary4670
@zachary4670 4 жыл бұрын
At some point I realized that movies are just fun. Once I realized that, I found I could enjoy almost every movie, no matter how many hundred years the helmet is apparently off by. If it’s a strictly historical movie, like one actually based on real people and real stories, then I think they should be more accurate. But other than that, it’s just so much easier to not care, and it’s so much more fun.
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@AverageAlien
@AverageAlien 2 жыл бұрын
part of the fun is spotting the inaccuracies though. Although it gets boring on very inaccurate films
@Leispada
@Leispada 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoy how you look like the smithy, but speak like the scholar That moment you start mix and matching your DnD character
@balrok99
@balrok99 5 жыл бұрын
Hands of a dwarf and mind of an elf!
@jeffbenton6183
@jeffbenton6183 5 жыл бұрын
@@balrok99 Now that's just racial stereotyping ;)
@Leispada
@Leispada 5 жыл бұрын
@Afqwa You raise a good point. Though I'd wager that while they were highly skilled at making weapons and armors -being topshelf artisans, they would not be able to read/write and do higher math. The question then becomes 'what defines a scholar?'
@Leispada
@Leispada 5 жыл бұрын
@Afqwa lol, fair. it wouldn't be an exaggeration that im going off of skits like that :D
@Kokorisu
@Kokorisu 4 жыл бұрын
I love your attitude and your stance on this whole issue. Pragmatic, realistic and very well-versed. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@DaveMiller2
@DaveMiller2 5 жыл бұрын
This guy makes good points and presents it in a very understandable way. I learned a bit from the video. Good job. That being said, Robin Hood with a recurve is inexcusable.
@trashfirefuneral
@trashfirefuneral 5 жыл бұрын
I love the 13th warrior, mostly because I went into it thinking "This is going to be like if you told Beowulf through the lens of Die Hard." and it was!
@LionofCaliban
@LionofCaliban 5 жыл бұрын
I'd challenge the idea of bascinet helm always being worn visor down. At least in the logic, to a degree, some records that refer to wounds, scars on the face being common. From what I've seen and can remember, the bascinet was worn visor down when in the charge, cavalry or on foot, towards the line. When archery was being actively faced, it was down. Why? Arrows to the face aren't fun and can be lethal. On the other hand, when it was close combat, when it was down to the swords, shields, pollhammers and pollaxs, then the visor went up. Why? You've got better visibility, better air flow, for long term fighting. Both of which matter when it's two lines that have hit each other at some force. It's easy to get around the back of another fighter, combatant. The more visibility you have, the harder that becomes. It's also the reason I think a lot of professional men-at-arms fought in groups, pairs, at a minimum. One guy to watch your back, while you watch his. From memory a certain king was famously wounded with an arrow while his visor was up. A particular king who was at Agincourt to be precise. It's not a great argument, but I think it holds water. As for back scabbards, sheaths, they did exist. Celt warriors in wagons wore them that way, so it wouldn't interfere with controlling the horse, chariot etc etc. So...... context matters if I channel a little Matt Easton here.
@opwards
@opwards 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah its plausable. Check out eastons video with toby capwell on this very subject. I believe they have a 3 part series on armour, helms and the whole arrow and armour debate. Its quite good. i like when those 2 get together.
@LionofCaliban
@LionofCaliban 5 жыл бұрын
@@opwards Not the only one, if we're talking about the same series. Watched that through again myself fairly recently.
@opwards
@opwards 5 жыл бұрын
@@LionofCaliban yeah its pretty good. You kinda cant argue with capwell i reckon on all this stuff. He lives and breathes it as a scolar and as a practicing knight knows these things from a practical level that most people alive can only speculate on. So if he says destrias were unicorns. Then i believe it lol
@LionofCaliban
@LionofCaliban 5 жыл бұрын
@@opwards At some point with archaeology, you just have to get out and try stuff out. Easy to argue from a book, harder to argue when you've got the thing in your hands and things and they're not making sense.
@opwards
@opwards 5 жыл бұрын
@@LionofCaliban absolutely :)
@siegfriedkleinmartins7816
@siegfriedkleinmartins7816 3 жыл бұрын
I can see the love you have for you work and historical accuracy in your hands. These are hands of a real blacksmith.
@iamscoutstfu
@iamscoutstfu 5 жыл бұрын
"Flowers on scabbards" " Interestingly, when we depict ancient China, or ancient Japan, or Arabia we see bright livery, contrasting colors, and beautiful patterning and no one bats an eye. Isn't this on of the MAIN reasons so many people misunderstand the European medieval period as drab, dreary, and primitive and medieval weapons being heavy, cumbersome cudgels little better than marginally sharpened hunks of iron? The same thing Kinda goes for peasants. We don't depict the ancient Chinese/Japanese/Arabic peasant as stupid or inept. That mostly seems to be reserved for depictions of European peasants. Coincidentally this is how I first came to have interest in medieval Europe. Seeing stupid, dopish peasants contrasted against massive castles which spoke of an intimate knowledge of engineering and physics didn't seem right at all. Also f*** back scabbards. Seriously, f*** those things. Wouldn't ork hunting swords be the same thing as people hunting swords?
@Warentester
@Warentester 5 жыл бұрын
The key reason why we think of medieval colours as dull is that the colours have faded in time. Same holds for the Roman period. They covered their walls in quite hideous colours back then but the colours have simply faded away so we now think they used to have white walls.
@iamscoutstfu
@iamscoutstfu 5 жыл бұрын
@@Warentester I don't really think so. The vast majority of people have never even seen actual clothing from that time and , if they do, its usually pretty obvious the stuff is faded and aged. The key reason we think of medieval colors as dull is hollywood and the way they depicte the medieval era as dull, gray, and dreary.
@stipser1
@stipser1 5 жыл бұрын
your not a big witcher fan i guess xD
@arwahsapi
@arwahsapi 5 жыл бұрын
Not as dull and quiet as living in The Castle Anthrax
@Kratatch
@Kratatch 5 жыл бұрын
@@Warentester Well one reason for the dark medieval settings where the fact that only nobelmen could aford anything that was colourful. A peasant would not run around in blue, yellow or red cloths back then.
@MaxJNorman
@MaxJNorman 5 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your vids, very insightful
@robinthrush9672
@robinthrush9672 5 жыл бұрын
You give a guy a purple scabbard with flowers on it in a movie and people are going to say, "So he's gay?" Sad, but true.
@damo5701
@damo5701 5 жыл бұрын
Given the rapid increase of Identity Politics cutting a swath through popular culture with gender swapping and color washing of a hero/main characters the norm these days we can expect a proliferation of purple flowered scabbards in historical stories. Soon we will be told half the greatest heroes of history were gay; no matter how inaccurate to actual history.
@jimandaubz
@jimandaubz 5 жыл бұрын
@@damo5701 uh. Bub. You've got the wrong idea. Purple scabbards with flower inlays would have been showing off. Something for a ladies man to carry. Or a man's man. Because... frankly there wasn't any give a darn about anything we would consider LGBTQ till the 16th century. Heck. The Roman Catholic church used to do "brotherhood" and "sisterhood" unions, ie gay marriage. Seriously. Its a modern disfunction to care at all.
@damo5701
@damo5701 5 жыл бұрын
@@jimandaubz No you have misunderstood my post. I am aware of the significance of the flowers on scabbards in history and that it wasn't gay. The OP mentioned today it may be considered gay by some in the population. Given the propensity to write so called "minorities" into everything even when historically incorrect then expect more flowers as this is considered gay by people today; it would be signaling homosexuality to people today; not that it did in history.
@anonymousstout4759
@anonymousstout4759 5 жыл бұрын
Purple is one of the most expensive colour in medieval the sad thing is today It's considered as gay or widow
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.- 5 жыл бұрын
Movies can break social constructs just as easily as they create them.
@jackpippenstock1104
@jackpippenstock1104 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the education on how and why most historical movies cannot be historically accurate. Your explanations were interesting, funny, and illuminating.
@SteamboatWilley
@SteamboatWilley 5 жыл бұрын
>Back scabbards. The pet hate of every Scottish re-enactor who has seen Braveheart.
@cdreid99999
@cdreid99999 5 жыл бұрын
I'd think every thing about that movie would be
@SteamboatWilley
@SteamboatWilley 5 жыл бұрын
@@cdreid99999 true.
@mrkiky
@mrkiky 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, where else would you carry a big ol great sword? Certainly not on the belt since it's too long. The back is the only logical place to carry it if you wanna keep your hands free.
@manupainkiller
@manupainkiller 4 жыл бұрын
I don't see a problem with back scabbard when having TRANSPORT-concept in mind. People say, "that a warrior would carry his sword on the shoulder". Agree with that - but ONLY when in combat situation/ danger proximity. But if you tell me they were carrying their big focking swords on their shoulder, 12-16 h a day ; or marching with it on the shoulder...I won't believe it ! And anyway, a warrior wouldn't have/ keep only 1 weapon. When his "main weapon" would be on his back, probably a shortsword would hang on his belt. Daggers too. So NO REAL NEED to draw his weapon from his back scabbard, if shit got real. PS : I would find it much easier on horseback to draw the sword from the back, especially when you are leaning forward while riding/ galloping.
@weirdofromhalo
@weirdofromhalo 4 жыл бұрын
@9600GTMAN Of course you can draw from a back scabbard. Haven't you watched Shadiversity's back scabbard videos?
@fred_derf
@fred_derf 5 жыл бұрын
Great job explaining how reality gets in the way of realism.
@ziggy78eog
@ziggy78eog 3 жыл бұрын
I love this no nonsense, no bs, video. You are explaining the realities of the industry, and why choices are made. It just comes down to the bottom line, making money, for the studio. People can get their medieval equivalency of under woos all in a twist, but if it does not work in the movie, no matter how accurate it may be, it has to go, or be changed. I wish more videos like this came out, to shut people up.
@kayakingforthebirds2506
@kayakingforthebirds2506 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Tod. That was the most intelligent discussion of Hollywood compromises I've heard. I used to be a manufacturing engineer and you have no idea (or maybe you do) how often I hear complaints about the problems or inadequacies of this or that consumer item - from people who have no clue how things are made and who wouldn't pay the cost of perfection if it were offered. There are so many compromises between an idea and a product that the buying public is not privy to. And that is similar to your demonstration of the many compromises between historical accuracy and a filmable and enjoyable movie.
@Sidistic_Atheist
@Sidistic_Atheist 5 жыл бұрын
Common sense really. But embarrassing that many, including myself, never really thought about it.. Great Video.
@Conserpov
@Conserpov 5 жыл бұрын
What's really embarrassing is that most of those are just lame excuses that incompetent and lazy directors and writers come up with.
@jmitterii2
@jmitterii2 5 жыл бұрын
"The mass of people will be confused if peasants aren't always in artificially bogus drab garb or too many colors on scabbards." Okay, perhaps creativity comes into play to set the record straight for the mass of people. And entertainment enhanced as well as historical record corrected for the mindless dirty masses.
@23Scadu
@23Scadu 5 жыл бұрын
I understand what you're saying, and your comments are valuable... but I'll always hate back scabbards.
5 жыл бұрын
Shad M. Brooks of Shadiversity channel had shown that you can make back scabbard for longsword work - but it looks quite different from an ordinary side scabbard used on back. Historically, from what I know, there were back half-scabbards for single-handed swords (in one region, in one time range).
@earthknight60
@earthknight60 5 жыл бұрын
I don't really have a problem with them in non-combat situations. In combat, or in situations where combat is likely, they don't really belong, but if the character is just toodling along in a safe area and is unlikely to need to draw the sword in a hurry, then they're fine. The can be made to release as well, so that you wind up with the sword and scabbard in your hand. Then you can draw the sword and toss the scabbard aside, rather than trying to get some forced and very clumsy over-the-shoulder draw.
@jameslawrie3807
@jameslawrie3807 5 жыл бұрын
@ That thing of his, like most of his guff, is ludicrous. I'd like to see how may of the swords fell out on a march or a ride. Yes, I've seen the vid. Shad should talk to some HEMA people about what's involved in a medieval melee
5 жыл бұрын
@@jameslawrie3807 First, back scabbard in the form of half scabbard was done historically (though it is very rare). Shad idea is in my opinion better, though more time and material consuming; it is certainly not worse at retaining the sword. Second, the problem with back scabbard might not be with retaining the sword, or speed and predictability of drawing (and being quite vulnerable while drawing, opening for armpit thrust), but lack of weather proofing - if you want to be able to draw the longsword without no-clip you need opening in scabbard.
@lcmiracle
@lcmiracle 5 жыл бұрын
Back scabbard in some media are inevitable -- it can be a viable way to transport a large weapon over long distances on foot, and a lot of these films depict individuals, often on their personal undertakings, and they need weapons for fights to happen. Films and video games need this so these heroes won't be constrained to luggage trains, to better facilitate interesting and personal story-telling. Also while Big Fucking Swords are cool, butting that in a scabbard that hang by your hip is even sillier.
@commanderlabelle1
@commanderlabelle1 4 жыл бұрын
Hey :) Thank you so much for enlightening us! I assumed that some of the "inaccurateness" (...that I actually notice, I am by no means an expert on that) partially comes from the requirements you mentioned like seeing the actors faces, or being able to move properly; and some of it maybe stems from bad research, or lack of interest. But it is good to know that advisors are mostly asked to help make movies and series as accurate as possible. I am not bothered when I see things that seem "historically wrong". But it is good to know more about the various reasons behind the conscious decision, or even necessity to do things a certain way.
@DavidGonzalez-so1eb
@DavidGonzalez-so1eb 4 жыл бұрын
Alright. I have Never Said it before in those terms but, that was the best ever historical analysis of filmmaking I have ever had the opportunity to hear and see In deed. Thank you so much... And please, keep going with the videos, I enjoy them so much.
@PrivateSlacker
@PrivateSlacker 5 жыл бұрын
"Hey kid, it ain't that kind of movie." - Harrison Ford to Mark Hamill
@Tymdek
@Tymdek 4 жыл бұрын
Or: "This ain't that kinda movie, bruv." - Taron Egerton to Samuel L. Jackson
@mikereger1186
@mikereger1186 4 жыл бұрын
I forget what Ford and Hamill were talking about at the time?
@darklighter66
@darklighter66 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikereger1186 I think hair? Shouldnt it be wet?
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 3 жыл бұрын
...another Space Western. When are they going to get it through their thick heads that combining Spaghetti Westerns with SciFi space movies only hurts their product! 🙄
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 5 жыл бұрын
Tod: 'Backscabbards don't work' Shadiversity: *wants to know your location*
@GrumpyOldFart2
@GrumpyOldFart2 5 жыл бұрын
HauntedShadowsLegacy LOL!! You know, after watching this (it was recced in my YT feed cus was watching lots of LOTR lore vids...I don’t know crap about swords)), I googled Can you wear etc.? And guess whose vid came up first pick? I enjoyed watching this vid, but thinking he’s thinking of TRADITIONALLY designed scabbards. All in all, both vids super interesting.
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 5 жыл бұрын
@@GrumpyOldFart2 Fair enough, but still... Had to do it for the meme.
@gordonlawrence4749
@gordonlawrence4749 5 жыл бұрын
But But But in D&D my gnome dual wields two handed swords he keeps in backscabards!!!
@ZlothZloth
@ZlothZloth 5 жыл бұрын
@@gordonlawrence4749 Well yeah, but gnomes are so weak that a "two handed" sword is only about 8 inches long.
@harrymills2770
@harrymills2770 5 жыл бұрын
@@GrumpyOldFart2 Didn't Shad create some sort of practical back scabbard. For practical purposes, unless you're riding a horse, a back scabbard makes total sense. It's out of the way and you won't trip yourself. Of course there're those last few inches of sword that you end up cutting your own jugular with, if you're not careful on the draw! But I can see a lanyard-type of scabbard that held itself in place against gravity, but which pivoted around your off shoulder on the draw that would be pretty practical. Grab the pommel with your right hand reaching over your left shoulder and the scabbard comes around enough for you to draw down and to the right to clear it. Aw screw it. I'll carry a pistol in a shoulder harness.
@zeronzemesh7718
@zeronzemesh7718 5 жыл бұрын
I hunt Orc's with a shotgun. It's not historically accurate, but I'm Amurican
@kristinfrostlazerbeams
@kristinfrostlazerbeams 5 жыл бұрын
🤣
@chrisbaker2903
@chrisbaker2903 5 жыл бұрын
Do you use buckshot or slugs?
@albertjackson8700
@albertjackson8700 5 жыл бұрын
Obviously a European Troll, real Americans hunt Orc’s with those murder machines, those AR-15’s (that stands for Assault Rifle Weapon and 15 bullets a second that the hi capacity clip can spit out from the drum, BTW). 😈
@chrisbaker2903
@chrisbaker2903 5 жыл бұрын
@@kristinfrostlazerbeams light sabers.
@TK-2510
@TK-2510 5 жыл бұрын
Or you hunt everything with a sawed off shotgun, Doomguy approved.
@lucisferre6361
@lucisferre6361 3 жыл бұрын
This was my introduction to your channel, sir. And as a lowly stagehand, (pre- & hopefully post- covid) your knowledge of your craft and expertise is very impressive to me. And since I just discovered you, I'm sure I will be enjoying your catalog in the very immediate future. Probably Matt Easton's channel recommended you to me in my feed, btw. Thanks, looking forward to whichever is next...
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