Tom Brady’s Ring Flex Isn’t Helping Charles Woodson Get Over the 'Tuck Rule' Game | Rich Eisen Show

Pro Football Hall of Famer Charles Woodson tells Rich Eisen why he’s STILL not over losing the Tuck Rule Game to Tom Brady and the Patriots 20 years ago.
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[@waynetables6414]

there's a difference between a bad rule and a bad call

[@TheMegatron673]

wasn't it a rule?

[@waynetables6414]

@@TheMegatron673 yes

[@dafyddcoleman4413]

Think you've summed it up perfectly

[@will4673]

Charles Woodson did get a ring though with the Packers though, correct ? I always like Charles Woodson, great player !

[@GameTime-yj6qv]

That's right he did.

[@anthonylemmonds9427]

He got hurt early in that superbowl but yes

[@tr4v159153]

Beat out peyton manning, randy moss and ryan leaf for the heisman too.

[@Theterminato2013]

Same. Not the biggest nfl fan but he’s one of my fav defensive players alongside Von Miller and Aaron Donald.

[@cshaffer8258]

I’m a long time Raiders fan and that play still haunts me and makes me wonder what could have been. I can only imagine how it eats away at Woodson!

[@joshuabennett5891]

You and me both!.....I have a friend, who is a huge Raiders fan and if that play is brought up, he will have a fit for the next week.

[@rstrader2516]

I was a Bucs fan living in Tampa at the time, not a particular fan of either team , and it "ate away" at me for awhile cause it was soo unfair.

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

@@rstrader2516 Was it though?

[@Maxx_d13]

Well even if the raiders win that game and win the super bowl, they weren’t going to be a dynasty lmfao rich Gannon was an old qb

[@DubLubb]

Would the Raiders have honestly had a chance against the Rams?

[@Sellot91]

Tuck Rule said: It is an incomplete pass if the ball is going forward even if the QB is in the process of tucking it back into his body. That was the rule at the time.

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

Exactly. Most of the haters struggle with reading comprehension.

[@judahisrisingyahschosen9481]

THANK YOU!!

[@PINQINQ]

People can hate the rule ( which they did). But the refs did something we haven’t seen in a long time which was call it consistently throughout the season.

[@judahisrisingyahschosen9481]

@@PINQINQ great point bro!!

[@judahisrisingyahschosen9481]

@@PINQINQ because the refs called the same exact thing against the patriots earlier that season when they where playing the jets..and the pats lost that game

[@KP99]

I just now remembered that they were college teammates at Michigan in 1997. Who would've foreseen that 5 years later fate would have them going against eachother in this historic moment.

[@lionelsheja6381]

Were they not teammates for like 2 years???

[@mchild80]

Even though I'm still saddened about the Tuck Rule, I love Charles and Tom's friendship

[@matthewbarry4464]

The "Tuck Rule" game (or as they say in New England, the "Snow Game") is all about the football Gods paying the Raiders back for the egregious 1975 Pat-Raiders playoff game where the refs called a phantom roughing the passer while missing equally egregious roughing calls against the Raiders.

[@bradtitsenpolo3931]

That was a bad call the tuck rule was a bad rule

[@DavidHukill]

Exactly.

[@tchombre1992]

This you, Bill Simmons? lol

[@daftwulli6145]

@@bradtitsenpolo3931 no the call was good, the rule was bad, as simply as that

[@reygone776]

@@bradtitsenpolo3931 sorry they lost and can’t go back and change it.

[@btspyglass4077]

It was a fumble. but not under those rulee

[@fairtreatment2618]

So then it was not a fumble.

[@btspyglass4077]

Exactly

[@GameTime-yj6qv]

In other words it would have been a fumble today, but under the rules at the time it wasn't.

[@GorillaSki99]

The problem with that call was.. the tuck rule was called quite a bit that season.. it was unfortunate that it happened in a championship

[@chadbinette3201]

It wasn't the championship, it was Brady's very first playoff game and was the last game in old foxborogh stadium.

[@GorillaSki99]

@@chadbinette3201 it was afc championship to get to the superbowl

[@chadbinette3201]

@@GorillaSki99 it was the divisional round, pats played the Steelers in the AFC championship game. Sorry son but your wrong. First round bye with the 2 seed, raiders in division round ( last game at old stadium), Steelers AFC championship game, rams superbowl. End of story

[@matthewbarry4464]

@@GorillaSki99 Pretty sure it was the Divisional round. The Pats had to go to Pittsburgh the next week. In that game Brady got injured and Bledsoe came in to finish the game.

[@GorillaSki99]

@@matthewbarry4464 oh yeah, divisional game 👍

[@barrypeirson3710]

Another thing you might realize about that game is are Vinateris field goals. There was alot of football to be played after the play. The game tying FG was one of the toughest you could dream up.

[@Righteous628]

IMO the "Tuck rule" controversy was NOTHING compared to the injustice levied against TOM BRADY for "Deflate gate"

[@c5scottman]

I finally got around to watching 30 for 30 "The Tuck Rule" and you could see those two Wolverines trying their best to keep their composure. Especially Woodson...

[@demayoexperience6646]

Of course that was a fumble, however, was that not the rule at the time?

[@makesomeplays]

Yeah it was but it’s the worst rule ever

[@PianoUniverse]

@@makesomeplays I never saw it called before that game.

[@makesomeplays]

@@PianoUniverse and we haven’t seen it since cuz they changed the rule everybody know that was stupid af

[@chrish2112]

It literally wasn't a fumble. This is a fact. Next.

[@Not_Sure-2020]

Tom thought it was a fumble (as did everyone else) but nobody knew about the tuck rule (yea, I watched it). Charles felt Tom had the ball in both hands and he didn't. He was pulling it in and almost had it but it wasn't there yet. The second hand did not touch the ball till Charles hit it out. Now Charles is right that it should have been a fumble but it was the rule and he said himself "I don't care about no rule". By that rule, it was incomplete. Case closed. The way everyone understood it though, it would have been a fumble. That's why the rule was taken out.

[@law35penn]

Wasn't there a few games that season had this "tuck rule" applied. I thought it was shown through the documents.

[@hellowhy7359]

I believe it happened to the patriots with the jets

[@orlandoawilliams799]

@@hellowhy7359 2nd week that season, in the Jets favor. Oh, that's the game Bledsoe got injured.

[@sophx3004]

Its called the tuck "rule", key word.. RULE!!!!!! IT WAS A RULE

[@GreenAthletics]

Still hurts after all these years. I didn't want to see the Tuck anymore but had to when both the greats talk about it.

[@larracis]

I've only recently heard that that year the tuck rule was called alot. But nobody ever talks about that. As far as I knew, (not knowing alot of football history) they made this rule specifically for brady during this game. Atleast that's how they make it seem. But it actually was a rule and actually got called alot that year.

[@tim.noonan]

No, don’t you know? Brady blackmailed the league to invent a new rule for that particular game and call it against Oakland to jumpstart his path to 7 fraudulent rings! It literally never existed prior to the Divisional Round in 2001! It definitely wasn’t called against the Patriots in a game versus the Jets earlier that same season!

[@toppdogg2815]

I'm a die hard Raider fan and a season ticket holder at the time and that was an especially tough day for me because I attended my uncles funeral and then the call happened in the game. My perspective of it is that even though it was a bad rule/bad call however you want to frame it, but the Raiders had no business being in Foxboro playing that game in the snow in the middle of January. They were 10-3 after week 14 and 1 game behind Pittsburgh for the number 1 seed in the AFC and lost their last regular season games to end up going into the playoffs as a wild card. Pittsburgh ended up losing to Cincinnati in week 16 and if we won out or at least won 2 out of 3, we're at least a 2 seed and New England has to come to Oakland and the elements don't factor in. That game was always going to be tough to play because of the weather that night and despite being the better team, in my opinion, that evened the playing field so to speak. In a way, the Raiders have themselves to blame for that loss

[@isaaccervantes5955]

That tuck doc. Was excellent . You could see just 2 dudes that know one another just talk like no one else was there . Fantastic

[@seanparker5373]

What I don't get is, how the Raiders always think that call cost them a Super Bowl. Seems like a leap. They still would have had to beat the Steelers, then the Rams...

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

Exactly

[@IsMiseAnthony]

Raiders act as if that call cost them a Super Bowl. You still wouldve had to win vs the Steelers in their house, and probably the Rams. If they were so good why didn't they win it the next ye...oh wait. They got DOGWALKED by Tampa, you gonna blame the tuck rule for that too?

[@PlyrMava.]

Raiders threw the game against Tampa. That game was actually rigged, and I hope Bill Callahan gets what he deserves for throwing that game.

[@cmkeeler1]

@Mr. Shark Tooth that game wasn't thrown. Bill Callahan was a terrible lazy coach who didn't change any of the plays or even symbols Gruden used when he was coach. Of course Tampa knew the plays - they were Gruden's!

[@vipernineone514]

Got dogwalked by Tampa because they never changed their play signals and gruden was the coach of the raiders, now the coach of the bucs. He said as such. The raiders screwed up. Go figure

[@IWantToBelieve1]

@Mr. Shark Tooth The tuck rule got called against the Pats earlier that year and may of cost the game against the Jets, Pats and Jets fans knew ALL about it. LOOK IT UP, week 2 2001 🤷‍♂️

[@KuyaArbee]

so TRUE! LOL! raiders got their ASSES HANDED TO BADLY BY TAMPA

[@chadbinette3201]

Was a dumb rule, but Raiders went to the superbowl the next year and got smoked and havent come close since. Time to get over it.

[@michaelbeltran5009]

The Rams looked unbeatable that year, I doubt the raiders could have kept up with them.

[@mpgallogly]

We're still not over the immaculate reception 😆

[@oneopinion8767]

1:50 how was the rule not the way you describe the play from the beginning? The way you say it here where I pause it is really the only way the play makes sense.

[@donphilp7511]

Tom knew he fumbled he said so himself

[@MovieIdiot]

But the rules defined it differently at the time. It was a bad rule no doubt, but it was the correct call then.

[@rayRay-pw6gz]

Tom is a quarterback.

[@DavidHukill]

Has anyone ever mentioned Sugar Bear Hamilton to Charles? Asking for a friend…

[@StevieShowcase]

He hit snake in the Head!!!!!!!!!

[@DavidHukill]

@@StevieShowcase That wasn’t illegal then, nor was it what was called. Hamilton hit Stabler in the head (barely, more of a graze), as he was releasing the ball. Roughing the passer, which is what was called, is usually called when the quarterback is hit well after releasing the ball. Considering the stakes, the point in the game, and the feebleness of the “hit”, you just don’t make that call there.

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

@@DavidHukill AMEN!!!!

[@ThatDiecastGuy69]

during the tuck game the Raiders had done so much up to that point, Davis was in multiple lawsuits with the NFL, Then to fire Chucky after, Davis had all of it coming and the Chuckster paid for it, the icing was Chucky getting a SB though

[@rocketfighter8]

The NFL decided it was a terrible rule, so they changed it. The current rule reads: Passer Tucks Ball. If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble.

[@djstud1987]

Forward motion or not if the qb is not down and loses possession of the ball to the defense it’s s fumble. Similar to a rb or a wr losing possession. Just remove this forward motion thing to make it simple and more competitive for the defense

[@joshuaguste6883]

You know why people still talk and gripe about the “Tuck Rule” game? As one sports writer suggested, it was more than a controversial topic it marked the turning point of two franchises. Almost like karma, the Raiders suffered 20 years of ineptitude the same way the Patriots did after the 1976 game after a controversial call they never recovered from.

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

True

[@zacharycardoso1681]

Interesting that the Raiders listened in to the Pats next play and one of the most impactful plays in NFL history happens next. Instant karma?

[@Spencerrcr]

Woodson seems like a nice dude

[@mikegrace2819]

My friend is a massive raiders fan, I’m a pats fan. We’ve agreed for a long time the tuck rule is trash… but Brady still got that ring BOYEEEEE

[@YankeeStacking]

Glad they changed that pathetic rule!! (But it WAS the rule 😏)

[@markjackson5333]

Get over it raider fans. The tuck rule was a rule. And was called the same year before that game. You lost. So suck it

[@Flyinpeacock13]

I was in the 4th grade and I cried when that call was made

[@bobbyb.6644]

Brady didn’t make the call ? Blame the officiating - or the League Office ! Bum calls happen every game ? Raiders still had a chance ( and should have) to Win ? 😏

[@orlandoawilliams799]

It wasn't a bum call, but it definitely was a bum rule.

[@DavidHukill]

This was, imo, the football gods settling accounts. 😁

[@samsammy9453]

He DEFINITELY won the case during the hearing lol

[@vincentcoleman4764]

Tuck rule vs Bert Emmanuel rule only haunts the player and team who was effected by it, which was Woodson and the Raiders and Bert Emmanuel and the bucs although it was different years (99-00)-(01-02)but the teams it benefited was the opposing team which played enroute to their SB win smh and after all these years both rules no longer exist smh only agony from both players (Woodson and Emmanuel) ....left with questions.

[@michaelschoel8852]

You’re absolutely right Charles it was a fumble but unfortunately it’s not gonna change the outcome of the game

[@nickgallagher8054]

My favorite Michigan player of all time

[@chilltheboss1959]

Worse part is Tim Brown n Jerry Rice being the 2 oldest WRs were robbed from making history!!!

[@JA-ge7wn]

The only good thing about the Tuck Rule is it made a great documentary about the 2 players involved.

[@rstrader2516]

Who was E A Charles refers to?

[@SellsZac]

Charles' problem is with the NFL rules, not Tom Brady. Two all time Michigan greats.

[@goldbournemascal3621]

It's DONE and cannot be changed! Plus, the fumble would not have ended the game!

[@TheMegatron673]

rob parker seems he can't let that play go either.

[@shady2493]

No one ever mentions the same call screwed over the pats 3 weeks before that game

[@fourscore1964]

Dude has complex like Marshall Faulk

[@colinzeta4362]

Faulk is unbearable I haven't listened to him talk in 20 years.

[@REB4444]

That tuck rule was never called before in any game I had ever watched in 25 years of football at that point. So it was a bullshit call for a favored team.

[@MD-jg5ly]

In todays game it OBVIOUSLY would’ve been a fumble, BUT it also would’ve been ‘roughing the passer’ with the arm to the head so….no change in outcome

[@Grandizer8989]

The Tuck Rule saved the Raiders from getting embarrassed by the Steelers/Rams

[@amberheardslawyerprofessor5266]

I think if your the greatest you can make your own rules.

[@reallifelebowski4732]

Brady is not only the greatest but be definition the term "greatest" still undermines how incredible Brady is

[@orlandoawilliams799]

Although TB12 didn't make that rule...

[@ryawilliams3835]

Woody looks like he can still play.

[@trevmac8362]

Woodson's claim that The Raiders were great sure goes down the toilet when they got totally blown out by The Bucs in the SB the next season... 😂

[@brandonhensley4335]

they went to the Super Bowl. They were a legit great team that season. And if they changed their signals, who knows how that Super Bowl plays out?

[@johnryanbodker]

Any team can have a bad game and any team that makes it to the bowl is a good team.

[@trevmac8362]

@@brandonhensley4335 They won only 11 games in 2002 and you are trying to make them out to be great? In 2008 The Patriots won 11 games and missed the playoffs.. Great teams are 13-3 or 14-2 or 15-1 and win SB's.. They were good but they weren't great

[@brandonhensley4335]

​@@trevmac8362 I'll amend this to mean they had a really good run from 2000-2002. I'll say they were very good, not great. But better than good.

[@tobia.1281]

Eisen - Michigan Woodson - Michigan 🐐- Michigan

[@winstonmontag8824]

Everyone that's comparing the Raiders team that played the Patriots to the Raiders team that played their Old Coach in the Superbowl obviously wasn't watching football at that time and doesn't understand anything about those games.

[@thedarkemissary]

Still thinking he can win this argument. Still thinking there even is an argument.

[@MarcRoix-wu2kn]

That dude needs to get over it already

[@dashlamb9318]

"Just making money off Tom Brady here. Blah blah blah.

[@seansartor]

Charles Woodson is a Class Act

[@robertkeck7698]

Had it been any other team but the Raiders I believe it would've been called a fumble

[@deckles100]

That was a great documentary. It's gotta hurt Woodson though

[@judahisrisingyahschosen9481]

Correct me if I’m wrong..but didn’t the raiders still have opportunities to win that game still? That’s like the 94 knicks vs bulls..everybody blames the refs for the bulls losing that series when they still had 2 games left to win it. FOH! Yes it was a fumble but it was overturned and they still could have won that game. It’s time to stop acting like that call cost them that game

[@orlandoawilliams799]

They had the lead and only needed to keep their opponents from scoring.

[@youngkhalifa664]

People never mention the pats lost to the jets to the tuck rule the same season

[@orlandoawilliams799]

That tends to get overshadowed by another play in that game. 🙂

[@omarlopez7284]

Wait......so the Raiders knew to play? Before it happened?.....wow! I bet that's why the Referees threw the flag. Cuz them Raiders pulled a "spygate"

[@bennyblanco4rmthaBX]

That call has never been made since. Nuff said.

[@davidb6576]

Perhaps because THEY CHANGED THE RULE??

[@bennyblanco4rmthaBX]

@@davidb6576 Exactly.

[@ballout9294]

Tom is the realest goat in sports! The rule is the rule...you play the game to the rules 🤷🏾‍♂️ what this man talking about I don’t care about the rules with a damn law degree 😓

[@davissing3313]

Even as a Patriots fan I gotta admit it could be a fumble, but Thank God 🙏 the rules benefited us. 💍 💍 💍 💍 💍 💍

[@marcusamante5824]

I never knew the nfl had fumbles, how does it work ?

[@MrsKartier]

So handsome and intelligent.

[@freedom0fthought689]

Best 2 from U of M

[@ractsninjas]

It made Tom's career. Wasn't for that one play Tom would have never started the next year. 0 rings or 6 rings. 😂

[@oneopinion8767]

Brady do be fumbling late in playoff games too, he also won the most Super Bowls so….

[@dirk69erable]

I mean follow this thing to its logical conclusion. If Tom was intending to pass then follow the motion of his arm. Where was he intending to pass to? The ground? Isn't that intentional grounding?

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

Er, no. read the rule, dude

[@6r0ck19]

Rules are rules wether they suck or not.

[@bringthenoyz]

This is not complicated! They said that it was never tucked back to his body. That is subjective. He was obviously not trying to throw it= FUMBLE!

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

Read the rule

[@cellmate1]

One moment in time changed Brady’s life

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

Meh. Maybe.

[@marcusreed5862]

What about Bledsoe getting knocked out

[@cellmate1]

@@marcusreed5862 What about it?

[@orlandoawilliams799]

@@cellmate1I'd say Bledsoe getting injured was a pretty significant moment. So significant that it overshadowed the fact the Tuck Rule was called in favor of the Jets against the Patriots in that very same game.

[@MrMicronano]

Stupidest rule in football. You’ve decided not to throw and that means you really are throwing it. How moronic

[@fairtreatment2618]

The rams would have beaten the raiders by 40 in the super bowl, Brady saved you embarrassment you suffered the next year

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

Raiders would have gotten curb-stomped in the AFCC!!!!

[@Grandizer8989]

Exactly

[@mikebeech942]

Lots of stupid rules, this is one of them that makes you turn your head. Like how was this in the rule book? Same thing happened to the patriots that year. Just wasn’t in as big a moment.

[@edword3457]

Charles is right "I don't care about a rule" ... it was a fumble. But so many catches that have then been knocked loose by defenders and should be also fumbles are then called incomplete passes! All because the rule two steps or football move? Such BS, its all about the spirit of the game IMHO

[@TheMegatron673]

who remembers the dez bryant catch that wasn't called a catch?

[@jerryh1895]

Hey Charles facts > fealings.

[@etb5763]

Seahawks should have run the ball

[@oneopinion8767]

Oh so EA cheated and new the play call 🤔 good to know. Tuck rule stands! Lol

[@carlingram8316]

Overhearing someone call a play isn't cheating. That's just being in the right place at the right time, and paying attention. It's not like he tapped into the other teams headsets.

[@user-uq5fo7bu1o]

It was a GD fumble!!!!

[@tb12lfg7]

sorry charles, you are still wrong! TB said that just to get you!

[@antonioperthamboy7208]

Mr. Woodson get it over with that play is way way way gone and if by any chance you never learned in the NFL you don’t play expecting referees to make the right call to help you win it is too bad Whether it was a bad called or not your team lost get this right your team lost and get this right your team lost lol 😂 you don’t play the game expecting referees to help you

[@thomasfoy957]

So what happened to the raiders making it to the super bowl year after is that Brady's fault too.

[@MotoRiff77]

If you know the play by dirty tactics, then everything worked out the way it should have :)

[@Maxx_d13]

Bledsoes contract was too big and took up too much cap space. Even if the patriots lost, Patriots would of stuck with Brady

[@QS-si3cq]

*would have or would've. "'ve" is an abbreviation of "have," not "of." How do you of something?

[@craigwalker7693]

Go blue 〽️

[@hollowmstr]

As a long-time Raider fan, I agree it was a fumble. We were robbed of a game, simple as that.

[@susanwheeler9298]

The Raiders were still winning the game at that point

[@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf]

the rule was enforced TWICE AGAINST New England that season (NYJ, Carolina). Quit your bellyaching

[@fender.munoz7]

Watching that game back than it was clearly a fumble

[@gdejesus6341]

Tom got both giants games to eat at him n eagles fumble one giants game cost him a perfect season

[@Acast009]

Al Davis said it best - "clear and conclusive evidence to overturn" the call was not there even with the Tuck Rule. There is not a clear enough motion of Brady tucking the ball in to overturn that.

[@kaqueburlington4278]

As a huge Brady fan, that was such an obvious fumble

[@davidkosh1058]

Payback for 1976. Get over it

[@seankennedy18]

People keep forgetting again and again how many plays had to be made before and after by the Patriots to win that game that basically negate that play. New England select a tie the game and they had to win the game. The Raiders had chances with third and one and fourth and one to put the game away and couldn't get the job done. They did not DESERVE to win.

[@codyhighroller]

I used to be a Charles Woodson fan but it's not even enjoyable anymore to watch the nfl

[@danielludd545]

He needs to cut it out the Rams would have destroyed the raiders just like the buccaneers did end of story