Tom Loebel's ECIAS The Secret Lives of Paleoindians Talk

Tom Loebel presented at the April 2015 ECIAS meeting in Urbana, Illinois.

[@CliftonHicksbanjo]

Thanks for this better-than-average talk. I've worked in Southeastern archaeology since about 2010, and have absorbed many lectures...

[@illinoisarchaeology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mikecossette6420]

This is the first time I've seen a deep dive into regional movement at such an early age! Thanks so much, and great job finding all of this.

[@MartinSoundLabs]

This was one of the most satisfying videos i've watched on KZbin in years.... LOVE how the material distribution graphs were depicted, including the Convergence Zone of Love (TM) where the two social groups would have encountered each other. So much love seeing how the materials i have been collecting were a part of those early people's lives. SUCH A GREAT VIDEO!

[@jamebrooke894]

Found them in Northwestern Indiana. Near the Kankakee River in Starke County and Pulaski County.

[@georgedavis6583]

I wish these intellectual types would say "we think" because a little more accurate than "we know"

[@CalebP618]

Long range sea travel was a widely known and used technology. Sea currents have proven its quite possible.

[@lesjones7019]

Jump on a current then .

[@runingblackbear]

We have always been here from the beginning

[@SULLIEDASP]

There's another now in Texas 15,000 to 16,000 years ago.

[@thomash4950]

where?

[@SULLIEDASP]

@@thomash4950 Oldest weapon's ever discovered north united states northwest of Austin Texas Debra L Friedkin site spear head's or throwing arrow's. Maybe not new 2016.

[@Holy_hand-grenade]

thanks for the upload and the stimulating lecture.

[@gbro8822]

Wow, great info. Thank you.

[@abberepair8288]

Canoes travel fast and easy. Winter travel on rivers is easy. People will almost always choose easy when there is no reason not to. What river systems connect these sights?

[@sasachiminesh1204]

Th. source-based point distribution maps show very little overlap in all cases you show. They also mostly have radiating distribution. The assumption that the same groups are moving across the whole distribution area is not strong. An alternate answer could be that small groups from around the source are gathering in to get the stone and only travelling to their home area. The N-S movement is not necessarily single group, but can just as easily be a series of small groups that also trade stone as they each following migrating herd animals across their home area. As one group follows a herd north in spring, they will naturally encounter the next group waiting for the same herds. This is a trading opportunity and a chance to seek spouses. All humans trade,; all humans need to find partners outside their family group, so exchange is likely.

[@lesjones7019]

Your dislocation makes it a reginal site.

[@sasachiminesh1204]

Outliers and merging of distribution can also be exploration events - looking for good new territory. They can also be establishment of new groups. Since the interval is short, new groups can also indicate the horizon of new cultural styles and changeover of materials.

[@peterwaksman9179]

GREAT VIDEO. Were habitations located near lithic sources? Were other resources more important?

[@neotheone47]

Anyone know of any in depth videos like this about Ohio?!

[@bobt8985]

Thank you for sharing. I really like those material diagrams. Is there a printable version somewhere?

[@brianwilliams4112]

Wonderful presentation. Would love more content like this.

[@bufordmaddogtannen5164]

People been coming back and forth to the america's for at least 50 thousand years..

[@siksika4603]

So they just made a summer trip to the one continent underneath an ice age? Lol.

[@watto649]

Caradoc and Crowfield are in Ontario Canada

[@MartinSoundLabs]

In the case of the points found burnt and broken in the ceremonial graves... is it possible they were hafted to shafts at the time of the burning as if the individual was a warrior, or were just the points themselves tossed into the fire/grave ceremoniously?

[@sasachiminesh1204]

People always know where the other people are. Trading places take place at boundaries of areas of use. Too many assumptions made. Traders have no need to put work into such valuable material as point stone. If you have that, everyone else needs it. Makes sense to trade that raw, since there is a lot of work just in getting the stone, and there is high demand. Finding the same rock in many places suggests trading and a greater number of probably smaller groups.

[@David-zc6wq]

Recent paper on ancient horse DNA shows continually mixing of American and Asian horses for 110 thousand years. Sights in Mexico have always pointed to much earlier humans

[@mephista55]

Solutrean😊

[@randywright9571]

With the sequencing of the DNA of the "Anzick Clovis Child," what is clear from the autosomal DNA is that if there were "Pre-Clovis People," they left no evidence among the DNA of today's Native Americans. The population that gave rise to the Anzick infant was shown to be ancestral to all of today's Native Americans. Moreover, Dillehay has "dialed back" the dates on Monte Verde an additional 4,000 years, and that has become problematic (as has the criticism of Anna C. Roosevelt who openly questions the dating and points to bitumen as a possible contaminant).

[@Entererofthethreshold]

How can sequencing the DNA on a single individual possibly provide the kind of evidence needed to make the kind of generalizations you make in that first paragraph?

[@forrestw.6704]

Chris Ames when you look at the DNA sequencing from Kennewick man, the Anzick child, and Naia from the Yucatán, they all are very similar and show a correlating ancestry. Given the large distances between these skeletal finds, as well as (currently) zero evidence of other ancestral groups intermixing with the ancestors of these skeletons, one can provide the most substantiated theory that for at least North America, there was no other genetic ancestry from outside Siberia/Beringia

[@adamsimon4545]

"The population that gave rise to the Anzick infant was shown to be ancestral to all of today's Native Americans. " false, that is based on a language theory which has no basis in fact

[@forestdwellerresearch6593]

False. The population that gave rise to the Anzick infant was NOT shown to be ancestral to all of today's Native Americans.

[@freedomcreek1038]

a Clovis point has never been found in Alaska. what's that tell us? Clovis was already here when the ice bridge opened. one fluted point was found in 2013 but it was radio carbon dated to be younger than Clovis found in the lower 48.

[@williambrandondavis6897]

Radio carbon date a stone point? Sure bud. Try again.

[@michaelcarley9866]

Where ice meets ocean, is There not seals? By boat along that ice.

[@mikejohnson551]

Is this Dennis Miller ?

[@ericschmuecker348]

I knew Dennis was bright! So Kevin Nieland covers dalton cuture?

[@zzbudzz]

Lol..I thought his voice was familiar

[@scottgoldsberry2730]

Did humans kill off the bird and insects species that died off during the younger dryas as well?

[@CalebP618]

Randall Carlson is great.

[@henrycrews9344]

6:08 Since you say Clovis people "wiped them out" then who killed off the mammoths in Siberia? No clovis people found there. You need to add text edit to your video explaining what really wiped them out. Younger Dryas Impact.

[@kingmiura8138]

Ice age planet? Perhaps during the time of man, but the entire history is not ice age.

[@haljohnson6947]

definitely NOT an ice planet, but in a subsequent sentence and he kind of hedged and said during the existence of man

[@yoandrew4886]

The most thought out presentation I've seen. Thanks for letting it out of the box. So many arch. i the past have boxed it and forgot it.The tva system will put you in jail for picking up a out of context relic. Lets put the fire out for our youth. Most damage to sites has been done by arch, in the past. Poor recording and worse conservation.

[@giggletitty]

Isn't it possible that the rapid warming of the earth and dramatic changes of the earth could have led to extinction of ICE AGE mammals?

[@StephenMortimer]

3:52 NOT TRUE .. the Polynesians were the LAST GREAT MIGRATION !!

[@francismarcoux8944]

What about the inuits, or european after 1492

[@StephenMortimer]

@@francismarcoux8944 got a GREAT book for you to read called THE MYTH OF THE ANDALUSIAN PARADISE

[@Less1leg2]

Dr. Stanford has shown that early peoples on the South East North American coast were NOT Siberian source peoples. The Clovis people technology was not even close to the Siberian Source peoples tool making. These two groups were totally different. If people taught other younger members tool making. Clearly the teaching stopped between Clovis people and Siberian Source. Because its like comparing PC to Apple Computers. Aside from kind of looking the same, spear heads. But the method of tool crafted is totally different. Clovis were not Siberian. Similarity was western European. Now its obvious, something massive happened to eradicated pre-Siberian source people. Or dramatically reduced the population to a level unstable to keep it successful. When Siberian Source people came in, its even more apparent that these two groups never got along. The successful North American peoples became the Siberian Tribes. Competition or potentially Siberian peoples carried viruses and illness harmful to the Clovis people. Same way, European Settlers brought Small Pox to North American Tribes.

[@johneyon5257]

Stanford's hypothesis died before he did - it's pretty much ignored - except by certain ideological types

[@francismarcoux8944]

Wow! so much speculation . Lets call this video brainstorming about paleoindian

[@ericschmuecker348]

Snot.

[@ryanmonague4438]

Ur just gessing only We know