Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Modern Controls are WORSE | Tomb Raider 2 Assault Course Challenge

[@973daydreamer]

I would love to see a "7 things that are easier to do irl" video including things like: walk in a straight line, go up and down small ledges, interact with the correct object, say what you mean instead of accidentally insult/punch someone etc etc

[@Schwartzwindhero123]

Here's my contribution: talking to someone rather than jumping up and down like they have springs on their shoes. (For context; a lot of games have interact and jump on the same button. So, instead of talking to an npc, the character will just jump around because you were a millimeter off from the range of the jump button becoming the interact button.)

[@Butchcavalier]

"interact with the correct object" might be a bust as far as i'm concerned...the amount of times i've come home with unsalted pistachios by accident...

[@Mulbert]

That's a great idea! The Assassin's Creed games were bad for this, I think it was Syndicate that had the circle button for all interactions so it was very easy to interact with the wrong thing!

[@westcoastweaver8403]

Why do I suddenly feel called out?

[@spinal_capped]

Not driving over a curb/onto the sidewalk

[@richardbroomfield5253]

Christmas challenge idea, who can lock the butler in the fridge the fastest.

[@theforlornknight]

With modern controls

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

Blindfolded

[@GhostOfLorelei]

Someone give this man a promotion!!

[@markbade565]

I make it a point even with the remasters to lock winston in the fridge every time. But is it possible to lead him into one of the fireplaces to burn him instead? Asking for a friend

[@DemstarAus]

​@@markbade565I know in the originals that was impossible. Not sure of the remaster. He has unlimited health.

[@abydosianchulac2]

I'm not sure I've ever seen a game crush Andy's competitive spirit this badly 😧

[@ein01]

Well, there was the Christmas Stray challenge. That cat literally broke Andy if I recall. 🤣

[@abydosianchulac2]

@@ein01 that was amazing, but at least he finished the challenge that time!

[@hush-615]

Does Mike beating him in Hitman Ghost Mode count? 😂

[@anthonypaparo]

Hitman Ghost Mode against Mike 👻

[@toratio8547]

Andy just handing over the controller like “it’s this or pitch it out the window”

[@samwalker5756]

Andy - Tank: 2m 07.4s Ellen - Tank: 2m 16.4s Ellen - New: 2m 20.3s Jane - Tank: 2m 56.0s Jane - New: 3m 46.2s Andy - New: DNF

[@GTXDash]

I wonder why they said it's definitive that tank controls are better when Jane took longer with them. I do think the tank controls are better for this game but I wouldn't say "definitive".

[@missweirdoh5136]

​@@GTXDashshe didn't though, her new-time is almost a minute longer

[@alankenny21]

@@GTXDash You compare their individual times against themselves. That's like saying, well Usain Bolt is quicker over 100 metres than me so these new running shoes are useless.

[@GTXDash]

@@missweirdoh5136 Woops, I misread it.

[@briankory]

The tank controls are just awful....one can learn them and practice, but they are infamously just awful. It's hard to keep that while improve upon it.

[@sethneville]

22:17 Ellen's joy at Jane's success really brought a smile to my face. The power of positivity.

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

Not sure if that was joy or a "Yay, we're finally done"-moment.

[@reikenkayzer]

Yeees! Ellen is too precious.

[@mannyichi]

Jane disapproves 😂

[@horstmelonenkopf1509]

Cos shes a board

[@catoninetales]

1:26 I want stickers of BG3-style approval/disapproval notifications for the whole gang, please and thank you!

[@PsychoSavager289]

Older video games often built their levels with tank controls in mind. The old Tomb Raider games were very blocky in their level designs, but the tank controls meant you could align yourself perfectly for each jump. That's why the modern controls don't work, they're made for more modern games.

[@SolaScientia]

Yep. It's built on a grid system, so it's pretty precise and the modern controls don't take advantage of that at all.

[@cactustactics]

Also Mario 64 came out at the same time and had "modern" controls, it was just never meant to be that kind of game!

[@whitewolf3051]

Actually, it depends on if you’re used to tank or modern controls. As someone who never played a game with tank control, tank control was unplayable for me, had to switch to modern control just to be able to play.

[@sweetpepino1907]

I grew up with these games so I don't use the modern controls, that's something I wondered about when I tried them for five seconds. The grid system that makes her jump at the end of every "square" is what all these levels were designed around. I didn't try the jumping so I wondered if it was fully responsive and you had to actually time the jumps properly

[@cactustactics]

@@whitewolf3051 when it came out it was probably the first time most people played that kind of game with that kind of control system, nobody was really "used to it" y'know? But that's how the game was designed, the combat and a lot of the jumping puzzles rely on you being able to bounce around precisely without worrying what the camera's doing. It's just how it was meant to play, it's weird at first but you'd probably get used to it if you gave it a chance!

[@morgaknightgames]

That teacup rattle is bringing back so much trauma.😂

[@Tsanito]

But notice how clean the mannor is!

[@Renanbso]

They really did a great job with those power washers

[@Senkoau]

The butler is a demon Lara enslaved when younger and uses dark magic to keep this large manor clean by itself.

[@dallydaydream]

And since the assault course is also a level on the Tomb Raider DLC of PowerWash Simulator, they can give that a hose-down too after all their scientific testing : D

[@ialwayscomeback992]

That old school butler legitimately terrified me as a child. I used to spend all my time trying to lock him in the freezer so he’d leave me alone lmao

[@Randomninja47]

You are not alone. Even more fun was learning how to glitch to the top of Croft manner so he couldn't reach you.

[@existenz_1]

Lol, I locked him in the freezer too. I think a lot of us did 😅. It's like removing the pool ladder in older Sims games.

[@vampricramen]

I could never put my finger on it, but he was so unsettling. Logically it made no sense

[@Philboh8]

We all lived the same childhood. My brother's used to reassure me though lol

[@stone5against1]

I mean they did make Lara locking him in the freezer canon at one point.

[@WickedRibbon]

Fun video! I feel like the modern controls would be massively improved if they allowed you to take small steps sideways or backwards. Full analogue movement just doesn't work with grid-based level design. Hopefully they can add finer control in a patch.

[@demomanchaos]

Make the D-Pad the ye olde tank controls and the stick full analog, problem solved.

[@ORIGINALFBI]

You can. There's literally still a walk button in modern controls. To do the side flips and jump back you just need to take your guns out.

[@demomanchaos]

@@ORIGINALFBIThe walk button in modern controls has her turn around to take a step back rather than step backwards (As seen in the video). Note you can't draw weapons in the assault course segment of TR2, so you can't side jump during the side jump section of the course.

[@ApesWithEgos]

Longer than 7 minutes. Not the wonderful disaster of Pokiworld.

[@PLAYER_42069]

Fun challenge video! Yeah, the remasters do NOT explain the "modern" controls at all. People are having to learn them from watching other videos and streams of people playing. That's a pretty big oversight on the part of Aspyr, who did the remasters. Also, if you want true modern controls with old school charm, play TR: Anniversary. It's a remake of the original TR, but on the Crystal Dynamics engine from the XB360, PS3-era.

[@lordeowstheking]

What is it to explain. You're that dumb you can't figure it out yourself?

[@MsCunningLinguistic]

Anniversary is SO GOOD.

[@gamer-px5cu]

I mastered the new controls in 2 hours, come on guys.

[@ORIGINALFBI]

You can literally look below the controls to change the buttons and see what does what

[@rockandrobbie]

Turn down the sensitivity from 5 to 3 makes a huge difference. Give yourself some time to learn the buttons and you’ll find modern controls to be simple to use. Took me 10 mins in Lara’s house on TR1 and traversing the map became a lot easier. Plus you can do the back jump, etc when in the main game as you do them when you have guns. As for play anniversary, its a very different game. Based on the original but very different. This remaster is the only way to play the original TR1 as it looked and as it was designed.

[@Renanbso]

Andy's attempt reminds me of the Stray Christmas challenge. You should totally have a Tomb Raider one this year!

[@niceguy169]

That constant rattling of the butler's teacup gets SO aggravating, LOL! And makes me realize that casting Rimmer as him in the movies was an odd choice, :) "This Let's Play has become unwieldy", LOL! Loving that wording. :) I never played Tomb Raider 2, only the first one (as Tomb Raider Gold, I was late to the party. Not sure what the difference ever was). I DO remember a similar obstacle course to teach the controls...

[@Clonest]

It was an indoor "assault course" with platforms to climb in a room which they brought back in the 3rd game. The 3rd game has the most complete version of Lara's home "Tutorial level" to this day not including Anniversary 😏

[@JTGallant]

Omg, Andy and I both referenced Spaced at the exact same time 😂 "It made me want to drown things." You're a real one Andy!

[@katfromthekong414]

The clattering china and fart noises completely confused me until I spotted the butler......that explains the clatter at least 🤔

[@lacytaylor1501]

I don't know if your joking but if not, the butler also explains the farts. For some reason they felt it necessary to make it sound like Lara's butler is so ancient he's just constantly crapping his pants or something

[@katfromthekong414]

@@lacytaylor1501 cause he's an old fart?

[@lacytaylor1501]

@@katfromthekong414 I guess

[@toymachine2328]

I thought Ellen was doing commentary or something, it was in-game Lara offering hints.

[@ManyPeregrine81]

And the trophy 🏆 😂

[@lilhanhan]

I still love the originals' tank controls as they're actual quite easy to use and once you're confident enough you can do curve jumps to skip by corners quicker. Also running in a straight line isn't as bad as it looks like here, I think the analog stick sensitivity is a lil' to high (although I stuck with tje dpaf iut of habit!).

[@Muhahahahaz]

Yeah, running in a straight line is dead simple with the classic controls! They must be referring to making adjustments if you’re not already lined up with the bridge, which can be tricky lol

[@cccarrow]

Andy messing around in the intro is absolutely hilarious

[@keysersoze8110]

Oh man, that swan dive into half a metre of water was certainly something…

[@tonyb6555]

I'm certain Jane was actually trying to kill her as she was only thwarted by that shallow pool of water in that instance and by colliding with a wall to knock her out of the dive later.

[@PayasYouListen]

The original tank controls are still ideal for these games. My muscle memory still holds from the late 90s.

[@whitewolf3051]

Actually, it depends on if you’re used to tank or modern controls. As someone who never played a game with tank control, tank control was unplayable for me, had to switch to modern control just to be able to play.

[@Toschez]

@@whitewolf3051 Second that. It's entirely about whether you had to learn this or not. This poor implementation of "modern" controls doesn't prove the tank control's worth.

[@gsesquire3441]

​@@whitewolf3051Copy and pasting this same comment over and over is off putting

[@bobson3014]

@@Toschez It's not just that they're poorly implemented, the game was laterally designed for Tank Controls. I get that people used to playing modern Tomb Raider or any other games designed for modern controls won't be able to just pick the game up and play like a pro, but that was true for everyone when the game came out the first time in the 90s. They were used to holding down right and jumping. They learned by doing the training course.

[@jackkiernan5950]

I played tank controls with the classic tomb raiders in the 90s and still use them on the remaster, the d pad works wonders for the tomb raider games, tomb raider 2 is my favourite of the series. 😍

[@gavdothie669]

Lovely little Spaced reference from Andy at the end, there.

[@flyingwithbirbs1202]

I know you know it was funny, because it got featured, but Ellen's "that's right, Earl Grey" genuinely made me laugh. Loving these chill videos of all of you hanging out and playing(/attempting to play in Pokiworld's case) games

[@Speilbilde]

Props to whoever did the edit for this one, stellar job. Lots of extra laughs from me with the little graphics and texts.

[@pmonday]

Jane's unhurried methodical approach to gaming is just so soothing to watch.

[@barret-xiii]

If they gave you a quick toggle for the controls, instead of having to go into the settings menu, that would be amazing since the games were originally built with the tank controls in mind for the grid-based level design, allowing for precise maneuvers, but the modern controls probably feel much more comfortable for combat.

[@WhodHaveThunkIt]

Having never played Tomb Raider, I only recognise the obstacle course from the Power Wash Simulator DLC

[@skilletborne]

I love these more goofy chill videos from you guys

[@fandancingangel]

I basically grew up playing TR 1-5 and pretty much only on keyboard. I still to this day cannot get the hang of anything that requires right thumb steering/camera, but I can blitz the tank controls on keyboard through muscle memory. I am so glad they remastered this, for the nostalgia and the itch I need to scratch of being in actual tombs (definitely missing in the reboot). These games inspired my to study archaeology, so the move to a cover shooter was disappointing (though I did enjoy the reboots too). I also found the mapped buttons on controller really odd choices in the remaster.

[@GregglePoof]

Been following you guys since you were Inside Xbox… I needed Ellen’s laugh, Jane’s quick wit and Andy’s Andiness today been a rough year already and it’s only February I feel a marathon coming on ❤

[@landonewts]

I hope things improve for you. In the meantime, we have the healing powers of Jane, Ellen and Andy. Well, and video games.

[@SethÚasarune]

17:18 I just wanted to give Andy a big hug.

[@unsavourylittlerunt]

Honestly, I play with tank controls but the modern ones have potential. The main issue is you don't have a consistent way to get a run up to set up jumps (you can take out your guns but it's not intuitive and sometimes you don't have guns in some parts of the game). There are a few things they could tweak around as well but I got a time of 1:39.9 just now and that's with me wasting several seconds at the end before I realized you have to press Y and to use the zip line and not RT. As long as you make good use of the walk button (same way you would with tank controls) and you take advantage of the quick ledge grab for modern controls (hold RT as you go over the edge) you'll be kind of okay. That being said, they need to add some tutorial for modern controls, even if just text boxes

[@Rymthe]

In on the personal channel for Ian from Eurogamer, he said that to move backwards in the modern controls, you have to take out Laura's guns for her to take a step backwards.

[@HaIfaxa]

That is very silly

[@Devilke]

That be deadly in RDR. You might want to take a step back there mam. *takes out pistols* 😱

[@zerin25]

I remember spending sooo much time in Croft Manor, and the first thing I would always do when booting up was lock the butler in the freezer (like everyone ever). But I guess I had a guilty conscience, because I still vividly remember having a nightmare over 20 years ago where I was running around the attic in Croft Manor, when Winston suddenly pulled a shotgun out of his coat and blew me away.

[@barbararowley6077]

Having watched Ian play through a bit of each of the three games on his channel I have increased respect for his patience! It’s very frustrating that the remasters don’t explain the modern controls. And that they’re really not good. Hopefully anyone trying these classics for the first time won’t be put off by them.

[@CrimBlack]

I see a Xmas Challenge here: "Complete the Croft Manor agility course using modern controls. Fastest Lara gets the point!"

[@CaitlinRC]

All the modern remakes of games that I've played, I end up switching to the classic controls. Partly cause they're often badly adapted for modern controls, and partly because my muscle memory is so hard coded to the old controls that it's the only way I can play.

[@cambion_entertainment]

Metroid Prime Remastered's modern controls are a massive upgrade compared to the OG

[@toratio8547]

It’s so easy to forget that, while bad, tank controls were part of the overall game, so the game was designed to accommodate them. And hard agree on the muscle memory, too

[@felixc543]

i think it's silly to think all games should have the same controls, it's cool to see how the levels were built around the controls they had

[@michel0dy]

The modern rope textures moving when you climb is throwing me off so much I cannot unsee it

[@robehickmann]

Thats paralax mapping

[@Icam_here]

love the sass coming from Jane towards Andy's modern control run also where is the bonus footage of the butler being locked in the fridge, i believe it's the law to always do that in tomb raider 2

[@hariodinio]

I chose tank controls cause modern doesnt allow backflips or sommersaults. Fun fact you have to walk up to the zipline, cant interact with things while running

[@elvickRULES]

You can but you have to have your guns out which is goofy as you’d have to unequip to grab during certain jumps adding extra input requirements. It’s just not worth it for how convoluted everything becomes with modern controls

[@Jacobyeavello]

​@elvickRULES that's actually not true. I really wish they would've made a tutorial video for the modern controls. Your guns only stay out as long as you hold the draw weapon button (L2 for me) down. So once the jump begins you can just release the button and lara puts her guns away. Also your grab is mapped to exclusively the "secondary" button removing it from the action button entirely. However, unlike in tank controls once stuck to a ledge you will hold on until you press the roll button to release. The modern controls are only difficult because the game doesn't do any work to explain how to use them to access laras tools so you just assume it's only a method of smoother movement. As someone very familiar with the og controls and game modern is faster for almost all the platforming, but most people are going to be turned away by the jank inherent in both modern and tank controls.

[@bednar23]

Im near the end of tomb raider one and have used modern conteols the entire time. My only gripe os when you have the graphics set to modern, the camera goes haywire in tight spaces or near walls. A hint for anyone using modern controls, if you walk to an edge then draw your guns, let go of walk and tap back and it gives you the perfect run up for jumps.

[@speedy316uk]

Loving the Saturday afternoon uploads

[@L0n3W0lfBl4ck]

The modern controls don’t work because the levels are designed on a grid, and all of Lara’s moves are based on that grid. Forward jumps, side and backflips all move in that grid. Don’t use the sticks on your controller, use the d pad, to move forward smoothly, press forward and to turn while moving forward role your thumb so that you are pressing forward and left or right at the same time. Also don’t use the right stick to move the camera it messes up her moves, instead if you need to see something stop walking and hold the look button then you can look around from Lara’s perspective.

[@JuniperFields88]

I love how the whole team "showed up" for this video. I would recognize those background voices anywhere.

[@redblueblur4271]

I love Lara Croft/the Tomb Raider series, but the controls on this remaster have produced some white hot gamer rage that I haven’t experienced in quite a while

[@flurglhinge3051]

24:51 I should rewatch Spaced. It probably holds up, right? Also, been a while since I heard anyone called a toffee-nosed git 😂

[@Michael_Lindell]

Mo' dern, mo' problems? This was fun. Tanks!

[@whitewolf3051]

Actually, it depends on if you’re used to tank or modern controls. As someone who never played a game with tank control, tank control was unplayable for me, had to switch to modern control just to be able to play.

[@Hellwyck]

@@whitewolf3051Is this post all you have?

[@FiggyMcSickle]

Ellen's experience of Tomb Raider 2 very similar to mine xD I was too afraid to start the levels (that was for my older sister and dad) but I spent a lot of time on the assault courses across the games

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Imagine how good you'll be now!

[@jackkiernan5950]

Tank controls all the way the grid system for the tomb raider games are built around how it's designed to play. Using the d pad works wonders with the tank controls.

[@AngelBeatYunara]

"The camera is the main villain." Much like in soulsbornes! Is Tomb Raider a soulsborne now? In this essay I- *gets dragged off screen*

[@MsCunningLinguistic]

Wait, no! Let them speak! LET THEM SPEAK

[@alexharrison2743]

Camera lock-on in soulsbornes are the real villain

[@TubususCZ]

Soulsbornes? Surely you mean elden soulsbornekirings?!!

[@vihakurjategija]

Duh Dark Souls invented video games literally every game is the dark souls of dark souls.

[@charg1nmalaz0r51]

turn off modern controls and the camera works just fine

[@VOWelAHC]

I was there! During those days the youth of today couldn’t possibly comprehend! You see these games were truest to a puzzle platformer, navigating the levels with Lara’s arsenal of jumps, steps and rolls. These moves combined in an exact order to result in completion.

[@SergeantVau1]

I'm very glad Andy quoted "it made me want to drown things" from Spaced. It popped in my head every time Lara was in the water.

[@THNWraith]

All the sidestepping and individual steps in Janes tank control attempt was so reminiscent of my favourite TV show of my childhood - Knightmare. Thanks for the (presumably unintentional) nostalgia Jane :)

[@Corozivu]

Those `suicide dives` into the wall would humble the entire ECW/GCW roster. Jane is the titular Innovator of Violence now.

[@timhutchinson8485]

I am tempted to ask for an unedited version of this, but I fear it might be 6 hours long.

[@halloweenjack3565]

I remember paying this in the day and not realising how tricky the control system was , trying to play this now in your 60's, nightmare !!

[@mattclemson]

Really appreciating the Spaced reference!

[@nocturneJOJO]

Tank control for Tomb Raider are great IF you're playing on a PC with a keyboard; the arrow keys are good but the very best way to play Tomb Raider is with the NumPad for moving and ctrl shift and alt for action, walk, and jump (though technically you could Lara quite well just with one hand as all the controls are mapped to the numpad, it works great for 1 & 2, a tiny bit more confusing for 3 as there are more buttons). As a rule of thumb tank controls usually work great on keyboards, even the PC version of Resident Evil 1-2-3 (original, not remake) worked great with the arrow keys. ;)

[@sonicsean34]

Yeah this is a great demonstration that things are designed the way they were for specific gameplay back then and just shoving random screen relative controls into them is a mess. Kinda like controlling a car with a bicycle handle lol

[@charg1nmalaz0r51]

or a submarine with a controller..is it still too soon?

[@julesmiller2846]

Decades of innovation... for this

[@BogeyTheBear]

"State of the art technology and a billion floating point calculations-- brought ya' _that..._

[@jameshart2622]

What a time to be alive.

[@Randomninja47]

Downloaded last night and tried both sets and I found tank controls better. Probably because the game, it's jumps and mechanics were designed around the controls and the "limitations." Here's hoping Legend gets a remaster at some point. That's my favourite TR.

[@whitewolf3051]

Actually, it depends on if you’re used to tank or modern controls. As someone who never played a game with tank control, tank control was unplayable for me, had to switch to modern control just to be able to play.

[@Randomninja47]

@@whitewolf3051 That's interesting. I find the lack of being able to line up jumps and no side jumping/backflipping to be a massive hinderance. That and the camera doesn't auto follow enemies making them a bit worse to try and deal with. That said, I'm glad you like the modern controls and it allows you to play these great games. I'm all for that.

[@binho2224]

@@Randomninja47 Everything you can do with tank controls, you can do with modern as well. It is that some moves are done in a different way because of Lara's free movement.

[@BadandMadMartin]

Jane showing Andy how it's done! Would like to have seen Mike and Luke's attempts.

[@gingergamer3270]

Jane will remember that... I love the editing in this video

[@PikaLink91]

I remember my mom watching me playing Tomb Raider and her only comment was "She sure moans and huffs a lot", completely breaking my immersion. I was like, "Of course she does. Wouldn't you if you had to do all this climbing stuff??"

[@Supernautus]

The free camera is useful sometimes to see where you're trying to go, but otherwise the modern controls are terrible. I tried Tomb Raider Anniversary which I think these controls are based on, and these ones are still worse.

[@AdrianColley]

18:41 "Nothing can go wrong here!" Tag that one for 7 Times We Celebrated Too Soon.

[@-grey]

Andy narrowly avoiding a note from HR 😂

[@ReachTea]

[Jane Disliked That]

[@the_scotch]

I see your "Spaced" reference, Andy!

[@marcuswalters8093]

17:20 Jane's a real one for this. 17:49 No one else has realised that jumping before hitting the water means you're not walking slowly through the water.

[@Natasha6090]

Someone told me to use tank controls and map buttons and it helped me so much. The camera needs work.yeah a sometimes don’t work on jumping

[@volpe7436]

I literally have tried every button and i legit can't figure out how to exit the vehicles in tomb raider 3

[@dnakatomiuk]

Have you tried to hold every button instead ??

[@volpe7436]

@@dnakatomiuk i have she wont get off the damn quad bike

[@georginalouise95]

@@volpe7436I think you have to hold one of the triggers and press triangle on PlayStation? Not 100 percent sure though

[@volpe7436]

@@georginalouise95 triggers are forward and reverse (on modern controls atleast)

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

​@@georginalouise95 how tf is that intuitive

[@mattwilliams8534]

Very much a fan of the Baldurs gate style disapprovals 😂

[@spicyramenshop]

I remember playing the Last Revelation with my brother on og hardware, the controls made the game way more funny than it needed to be xD

[@Zelda-Fangirl-180]

I feel if they could take the Tank controls and Combine this with modern in some way. It would make it so much better for me. I’m too used to modern controls to relearn Tank, but the modern controls are just not right either. 😢

[@Kiddo_williams]

They need to add a dedicated button to go into her stances for backing up and side jumping for modern controls.

[@1963Daleks]

Good to have a Christmas challenge locked in already.

[@L0n3W0lfBl4ck]

You guys should actually listen to what Lara tells you, because it would help you control her. You don’t have to push jump and the grab to climb a block just push forward and the action button. And yes you have to hold action while climbing, think of it as you holding on, you let go, she let’s go, which if you think about it makes a lot of sense.

[@filialuvssquigly7447]

Tank controls are not bad at all actually i prefer tank controls i feel they have more precision then modern controls not just in tomb raider but in games in general.

[@MartinNelson]

Neither set of controls are representative of the original control system. I found the remaster controls so dreadful I went back to my original copies of TR and the removal of dedicated sidesteps makes the experience slower, more fiddly, and actively worse. Which is such a shame really.

[@crescentfreshsongs]

I never liked how these games controlled, so I was excited to dig into the remaster with the new controls. ... That lasted precisely as long as it took me to get to the first platforming section.

[@whoneedstosleep]

Conclusive proof that tank controls are superior, and that Andy raging at a game is comedy gold 😂

[@whitewolf3051]

Actually, it depends on if you’re used to tank or modern controls. As someone who never played a game with tank control, tank control was unplayable for me, had to switch to modern control just to be able to play.

[@gsesquire3441]

​@@whitewolf3051omigod why keep posting this????

[@landonewts]

Make me feel better to see someone who plays games for a living getting as angry as I do. I know it’s time to take a break when my dog quietly leaves the room because I’m shouting unprintable things to my in-game self when I’m sucking at something in a game.

[@fatelyre]

to hop back a square using modern controls: 1.) press look button 2.) tilt analog stick backwards 3.) press look button again if you hold the walk button while doing this you can take a single step backwards, this is useful for taking a walking step into a running jump and may be more reliable than running a full square as toggling modern controls allows you to jump earlier in Lara’s running animation than usual.

[@frankbrodie5168]

Worse modern controls won't stop me buying the remaster whenever I get around to it. For the simple fact that the original controls are there as an option. The Playstation releases of TR1/TR2/TR3 are my favourite 3 Tomb Raider games ever. (in reverse order of release for my personal top 3.) But even I know from sad experience that modern analog controllers are AWFUL (in capitals) to attempt to play them with, on the Steam PC versions of those 3 original games. Wooly analog input makes it a constant fight with the controller to do precise movement. My solution, and it's an almost perfect solution for my needs, was simply to purchase a good condition original Playstation non-dual shock/analog controller from ebay. Used along with a PS1/PS2 USB adaptor that I'd owned for decades by that point. That acts as a hub to plug the controller into. Those games are still iffy regarding button config. So I also use a keyboard to controller input program to solve that problem. A lot of work? Yeah absolutely. Allows playing of the original 3 Tomb Raiders on PC with save anywhere facility. Totally worth it.

[@lurkerrekrul]

I never played these games on a console, so I used the keyboard to play them. I used to be pretty good at this obstacle course. I don't remember what my best time was, but I know that except for the parts where the game forces you to go slow (like climbing the ropes), I used to be able to run through the entire course. You can shave a couple seconds off your time by starting on the left side, that way when you get to the side-jump section, you're already lined up with the first jump. Note: I am NOT a speed runner. I have never tried to speedrun a game. I just used to practice this part quite a bit.

[@dugstarr5277]

Again, despite the mental trauma for all involved, I absolutely loved this video! Dare we imagine a limited Rage Quit Oxboxtra series with the team? 🤣🤣 Loved it, thanks guys.

[@HeIenaDouglass]

I’ve been playing the remasters since release and I’ve been using modern controls and I’m already on the golden mask lmao they’re actually so smooth and easy they just have quirks that you have to get used to but ngl certain platforming situations are just best done with tank controls so I switch back and forth once in a while and honestly it’s not as bad as some people make it seem

[@NeroBaelside13]

I'm telling people complaining that Tomb Raider's tank controls aren't even hard to learn. It has got to be the easiest tank control game to learn because everything is on a grid and Lara's movements are designed to fit within that grid, in turn making it easy to align her for jumps.

[@MrUkraider]

Jane, Ellen and Andy (with cameos from Mike and later Luke), I do believe this is one of the best videos you have ever made and I'm sure many other people who have or will watch this video will agree with me on that statement. These games are simply awesome and the nostalgia juices are on fire just watching this, I need to get this for myself and experience it first hand. But, you would think they as well as updating the graphics (which I assume you can change from old to new whenever you want) they would update the controls properly so you could have a choice and experience good classic controls and good new controls, but alas we can only dream of this reality sadly. Btw, I love the added touch of disapproval or approval messages on the video, very nice touch indeed.

[@Freelancer4tehwin]

Ellen rocking her OutsideX* is awesome. The sweater and hair are a great combo. Also, the this trio made my day today. Thank you all. Internet hugs have been filed with relevant regulatory bodies.

[@jackie6288]

For Some Reason, you can only side flip/back flip with modern controls when you have guns drawn. which. you cant do in the tutorial. so thats weird

[@LJBremer233]

The real test was doing the maze in time to get the secret room. I don't know how I aced that at 7...and at 33 i still don't want to play the last level 😂😂

[@kamen.rider.decade]

22:14 Jane's Happy Dance

[@markjones5672]

I defaulted to modern controls when I first started the game up. Very quickly switched to tank controls

[@stephenHolloway88]

You can do the side jumps with the modern controls but you have to have Lara's guns out to do it. It doesn't feel the same though, it's very temperamental.

[@inscrutablemungus4143]

The earl grey?! Calm down Ellen, it's only 10 AM

[@thedj9553]

LMAO "Jane Disapproves"

[@andybrown4284]

The tank controls weren't that bad because that's how games were controlled, at the time thumbsticks were in their infancy being either the N64 or the slightly later dualshock which a lot of titles treated as an optional alternative.