MAGNACLEANSE Vs POWER PLUSH, the do's and don't of the two processes and which process is best.

[@philipwaddingham3568]

Phil Waddingham here, I built a rig with an on-board ss bodied pump 1.2 Kw 61lt/PM flow rate and Adey magnaclean unit. It takes no prisoners and primes the pumphead at source so flushing is a breeze as I isolate the return and pump out to drain each rad in turn. What a monster!

[@Carl-d9z]

Can you send a pic 👌

[@Memories4lifemedia]

I use both when I do a flush. This way it uses less water as the returning water is filtered before its returned to the power flushing machine. Also I find it good practice to rap a rag or cloth around the top of the agitator, this helps to stop scratching the radiator. Also following Adey instructions its better to have only a little water in the radiator say 20% that way all the power of the flush hits the sludge at the bottom of the rad. I used to take all the rads off but this way even the pipework is flushed as well and it uses a lot lot less water. Great vid thanks and thanks for the info on different inhibitors, I never knew that

[@darrencahill5159]

Defo better to flush along bottom of rad first, as you say 👍 Then fill to 50% to help wash out and get any flakes further up the rad. Or agitate to knock them off. Wouldn't want to agitate rads on microbore system though, to avoid any lumps blocking pipework. These rads are taken outside and hosed out, or connected to magnacleanse with pump attached on flying-lead, or flush machine.

[@rayc1503]

Excellent I generally just magnacleanse the system. If I have to use my powerflush I use it in conjunction with the heating elements built into the Norstrom powerflush. If particularly bad the magnacleanse is used in conjunction with the powerflush. Excellent tutorial Derek 👊👌

[@plumbingheatingandgas8545]

How would you powerflush open vent system using magnacleanse what set up do i need? many thanks

[@timmurfitt9627]

1 good tip is, when flushing a system with combi boiler, turn off the cold to it. If the customer turns the hot tap on, all the shit goes in the plate heat exchanger.

[@wittywoo9559]

Thanks .. good tip !!

[@gedodonnell1]

Love these vids been in the game a long time like Derek and seen a lot of changes in the heating industry.......I usually install my Magnacleans in series with my kamco machine and run the system water through my kit and fire the boiler up no hotter than 40 degrees ..... cuts the time down and the water wastage ....... system gets the best of both worlds and then fit the new filter were i cut in too connect my machine .....it’s worked for me for years and the system usually squeaky clean ...👌

[@jasperstainthorpe3236]

Post a picture of your setup please ☝️

[@roytucker8211]

Thanks for the info and review, I have the MagnaCleanse and just to say I built a addon where I can put pumps into the system to move the water in the event of a failed boiler or when a new boiler was being installed and I wanted it to be perfectly clean prior to connecting, it worked well for me. I like the simplicity of the MagnaCleanse.

[@adreenryan2901]

I magna cleaned heating system I got good amount of sludge out but when I powered flushed after I got just as much sludge in filter so power flushing for me.

[@rickkpah]

Magnaclense all day long. If the boiler is U/s I cold flush with water, then fit the new boiler and carefully use the new boiler and the adjitator to clense the sysytem. On a bad system I just make sure I empty the chambers after every 2 radiators so nothing gets past to the new boiler. Thanks for the video.

[@merv15357]

Merv Jones-Owen. Good Video as always Mr Tomkat. My Method, Remove the F&E and wash clean, remove all the the radiators and take outside, remove valve tails and connect 1/2MI to the radiators and Cold mains pressure clean through every radiator at every entry point, replace radiators and then Magnacleanse the boiler, pump, pipework, etc with X800. Job Done.

[@i.rjardine312]

have you tried 'Thoroughflush' system, its basically what you do, but without removing rads, & having a switch on a diverter to change direction of mains flow, so you can flush each individual rad without moving connection, it has a dump port integral to diverter. It cuts time for flushing a 3 bed house to about 3 hours, and no spilage or floods. still have to do f&e tank mind !

[@johnslingsby]

Absolutely brilliant.thanks so much.i understand the two options now.they both sound effective but with a working boiler magnacleans sounds more convenient for my system

[@Lutonman2010]

I’ve got a magnacleanse. I really rate it for smaller properties and systems with a medium level of contamination. But for really bad systems I don’t think you can beat a powerflushing machine. I came across an issue I’ve not had before when using my adey a while back. I like to give the system a flush under mains at the end. However I think the boiler must have had a non return valve on the flow. External filling loop on the return. When I opened the drain valve in the magclean hose and opened the filling loop, nothing happened. I couldn’t fill the system because as soon as I shut the tap on the filter to divert the flow out of the drain hose, it killed the circulation. Only time it’s ever happened. Apart from that my magnacleanse has paid for itself many times over by now.

[@groovejet33]

I've got the Magnacleanse, and for the first few times I was learning ! Learning how to connect easily and not connect every job in a differant way, thus slowing the job down in a less efficient way. Although... differant system types, will require a different connection set up. But say for combi? I make sure try to connect at same point on system? Normally under boiler, so i can remove Magna. And fit a magnetic filter in its place. I'm still not a believer that Cleanser is great on it's own? But many fitters say they swear by it. It's just how the heck can all dirt and iron oxide be removed when there's no pump? Yeh, the dirt in water will be cleaned but what about settled dirt?

[@nickmac8078]

Magnaclean for service and repair. Powerflush for ALL NEW instals onto existing systems. Powerflush has greater flow velocity NOT EXCESSIVE PRESSURE TO BURST pipes to shift more system dirt, including non magnetic contaminants. Combined with mags, or adapted for use with you Magnaclense, invest in your business and customer service quality and get both, Norstorm Pro flush the best Iv had up-to now, but the magnaclense is better coupled with it than the magmaster Iv got fitted.

[@simoncarpenter9119]

Another top video 👍 I personally like the magnacleanse just because it’s light quick to use and cheaper to buy. BUT it’s no where near as effective of flushing the system as a powerflush machine. And you can’t remove blockages in pipe work with a magnacleanse but you can 9/10 times with a powerflush . I recently flushed a large system 16 rads but with 28 mm flow and return ( we converted it from traditional to a combi ) used the magnacleanse and it did catch a lot of the magnatite but caused me a blockage on a 10 mm bath towel rad😔 . I then powerflushed and the amount of gunk that was lying in the pipes was unbelievable but I couldn’t remove the towel rad blockage. I’ve flushed every rad. Flushed the entire circuit with all rads off except the blocked one. I’ve even put the machine on the rad tails of the blocked rad and still no joy. Tried finding the blockage with a thermal camera no joy. Have left some x400 in for a few weeks see if that works 😩 any suggestions ??? I’ve thought of possibly poking some soldier down the return as that’s the blocked one ☝️ or even wet n dry vac it ? I’m even thinking of putting my foot pump via an adapter through the valve and pumping it up and hoping for the best 😂 I don’t think re pipping is an option as the pipes are going into the walls 😒 any advice would be much appreciated thanks 🙏 your No 1 fan 😁

[@tomkatgastraining]

It would be easier and quicker to replace the pipe going to the rad if you can. In the past I have connected a hose pipe onto the rad valves and blasted the magnetite back into the main flow and return when I can’t replace the pipe. Who invented 10mm pipe for heating 🤣👍🏻

[@merv15357]

i've had the same problem with Microbore, i solved it by only having the effected radiator on and agitating the return tee of the rad's pipework where it connects to the main run pipework if you can get to it.

[@inigomontoya68]

if you are going to replace the boiler AND the radiators do you still need to do one of these cleans ? - will not most of the sludge in the system be in the removed radiators, boiler & drained water making a flush/cleanse un-necessary ?

[@mj0n4id36]

Another great video. I have only heard of these machines in the past. How they actually operate, the differences, pros and cons I only found on your KZbin channel. I think I’d go with magnacleanse. Thanks Derek 👍🏻 Asian Jon. Training.

[@mitchelgrindrod1162]

I have a Dunsley linked system and the Magna clean would only clean the boiler to the neutraliser box. So I assume I would have to use the power flush machine and clean via removing the pump or a radiator

[@lanahaslam2970]

We had a brand new Worcester Greenstar boiler installed about a year and a half ago and magnacleanse was on our quote.. fast forward to now and we had a worcester engineer come out due to a loud grinding noise whenever we shut off the hot tap and the heat was no longer consistent, would go hot then cold very quickly. The engineer said he'd had to replace a part due to contaminated water and sludge.. it was way way off passing their water tests.. and the engineers exact words were 'whoever installed your boiler didn't flush the system.. ' so my question is.. for any professionals in the know... do we pay hundreds to get the system flushed or should we go back to the installer after a year and a half? And will it have been damaging our brand new boiler all this time? Thanks.

[@willlomas2725]

Great stuff Derek.... cheers pal.

[@tommyblackman7119]

Great video Derek, I’ve only ever done a power flush once and wasn’t a fan, I’ve done many magnacleanse an like the idea but can be time consuming .. what gets me is when your doing any type of flush and the water is clear then you move onto the next radiator then switch back an toy get a load more slide come down and you think where has that come from as your just previously flushed it

[@salam238]

Cathodic and Anodic cames from Cathode and Anod. Cathode is negative charge terminal on the battery terminal and Anod is positve charge terminal on a battery. Meaning negative ion /charge in a solution goes toward Cathode and Positive ion/ charge to Anode.

[@dmc_heat_serv5487]

Thanks for the informative video Derek, also thanks for the Transit Custom 12v installation vid - installed mine the other day, very handy!👌🏻

[@yasirn29]

Good video about power flashing But I have some confusing what about when you have flooring heating so how are you can work it out with them?

[@miketait1640]

Watched this video twice now. Think I prefer the Magnacleanse. I have around 14 radiators so it sounds like the Powerflush would take an age to complete. My boiler is working and I have a filter already installed. I’ll get some quotes for both to see what difference is.

[@Marcus_PG]

Good video . As a consumer looking to get a new boiler (combi) installed after a major flooding of my house where the radiators have been removed and the existing pipework of the open vent system will have to be removed, are there any other things that would need to be done as part of the installation in my particular case?

[@chico7910]

Great video, well explained and detailed 👍👍👍

[@georgerobinson576]

Thanks again Derek , enjoyed your plain talking ,no nonsense. ive just purchased the magnacleanse and was putting it together last night, good timing . Ill stick with it and only power flush if boilers packed in etc. Do you ever mains flush systems. Brilliant again now im off to play about with new toy .

[@loucalouca]

Brilliant and correct advice 👍🏾

[@sergd7885]

I have baxi solo 2 pf the overheat lamp lights up and he does not want to turn on thanks for any help, pump ok work.

[@shakapower1]

If the boiler is in the loft, which one is best?

[@harrisonruss99]

Half an hour wait but ye glad to hear you lean towards the magna cleanse ..me too just seems to work really well with a lot less hassle but like you said knackered if the boilers kaput . 👍

[@stevewaterfield1854]

Can you have a look at the thorough flush, maybe a video on that?

[@tomkatgastraining]

I don’t have one to do the video sorry

[@cynt1111]

Can’t believe this video came up. Tried to ring you on Friday ref. power flushing an old 4 pipe boiler and system.

[@shaundavey1170]

Personally use a power flush machine and agree with everything you just explained. But when trying to explain to the customers they think I’m talking gobbledygook.

[@tomkatgastraining]

🤣👍🏻

[@Booh833]

Common issue with the Magnaclean Prof 2 model is that the canister won't detach from the valves. If can’t access lid and bottom plug of cannister to clean (due to being installed in limited access areas) or if one of 2 valves need replaced, you have to change the cannister and both valves. The cost of replacement valves and cannister exceed the cost of a completely new unit. In other words, if you can’t get into the cannister in situ to clean or either of the 2 valves need replaced, you need to replace the whole unit!!!!!! Adey will not provide parts free of charge under their 10-year guarantee unless you have registered within 30 days!!

[@jay182ify]

I have just got some new radiators to replace my old ones, my question is should I clean with Magna clean first with the old rad on or install the new one and then magna clean it?

[@tomkatgastraining]

I would always clean first before adding new rads

[@mikefewtrell2061]

I have the Magna cleanse, and if I trust the customer lol, and its not an inconvenience, then i will leave it on for up to a week, depending on the system and how dirty it is, after checking the radiators for soundness.

[@huyongquan6554]

I had both system and eventually I sold Kamco CF 90. the main difference of and Magnacleanse is the Circulation Pump, but if you use the mains water as the circulation pump for Magnacleanse, I don't know there is any diffenrence. The low rate? when they all use mains water, what is difference? The pressure? could be no difference, some time the mains is high pressure than kamco pump. another difference is Magnacleanse could be operate with boiler running and the Kamco CF90 could be problem manufacturer will not recommend it.

[@farukadam1696]

I prefer power flush machine with pump attachment Regards Faruk

[@kirkcooper8184]

Which power flushing machine would you say is best Kamco Rothenberger Norstrom As I'm unsure In any event I'd also get magnacleanse What is your advice

[@tomkatgastraining]

Can’t really advise on which is best as I haven’t used them all but I do have the kamco

[@b1h2u3p4]

Can you powerflush or Magnacleanse unvented cyclinders or no. I think this is a megflo seperated by a bubble a dish.

[@tomkatgastraining]

The coil you can if that’s what you mean

[@normanboyes4983]

Is there a source of cheap test kits for establishing if CH water is acidic. (As opposed to the more expensive test kits marketed by the inhibitor manufacturers).

[@tomkatgastraining]

Have a look at my videos on testing central heating water 👍🏻

[@veenpa]

Failed to mention the connection for DHW

[@TheMozza76]

Would never power flush via rad valves, bottle neck before you even start

[@foryourlugsonly]

You can do it, if it's the only place to connect on. However, I would be seriously dubious about doing it on pipework any smaller than 15mm going onto 22mm primaries. I've tried it on microbore and it's almost impossible to get it flowing properly

[@TheMozza76]

@@foryourlugsonly very poor practice I would at least use a pump adapter if Pipework is too tight. You can flush 10mm COPPER but 8mm & 10mm is plastic pointless

[@foryourlugsonly]

@@TheMozza76 of course I agree. I said it's an absolute last resort and yes, on a system piped in 8 and 10mm only it would be pointless. But then again a system shouldn't be piped like that in the first place.

[@easternise]

Please do video on the three different types of inhibitors.

[@tomkatgastraining]

Good idea 👍🏻

[@easternise]

@@tomkatgastraining Would you be able to tell me the difference between the ideal logic c30 and the ideal logic c30+? Is it just the warranty length that is different between the two models?

[@tomkatgastraining]

@@easternise with the logic it’s the warranty and the pcb that are different

[@jasongittoes7299]

Good video thanks derek what’s the price difference between the two ?

[@tomkatgastraining]

A power flush takes twice as long as a magnacleanse . Most guys I know charge about £400 for a magnacleanse

[@johnward5006]

Always use both. The magnacleanes will clearly show you the degree of contamination, and impresses and educates the customer, it also provides the customer with reassurance its money well spent. Pre-dosing is another effective method and time saver. As for cleaning chemicals, FX2 or similar for the worst (but NOT Aliminium!) X800 or similar for your average fouling. MC3 or similar for new or lightly soiled. Inhibitors like cleaners, you get what you pay for! You cant put in too much, more is best. Been using Kamco of machines for over 20 years and the original magnacleanse since it came on the market and it's still works just as well! An investment of less than £1500 in today's money the financial return is a no brainer! But hey ho, this is only my opinion based on my experience, other opinions are available. As Tom says, it's not that simple, but making the effort raises the industries profile. Sorry if iv'e waffles a bit, I"m reknowed for it!

[@leaturk11]

Great training.

[@jameshawkins5280]

Great video magnaclean

[@aidykeenan5824]

Great video 👍

[@sdgelectronics]

That NCV indicator is utterly pointless. Testing it against a socket where you've had to move your feet also invalidates any confirmation

[@tomkatgastraining]

Let’s hope one day you don’t come across something that has a stray voltage running through it. It’s comments like yours that shows the arrogance and lack of training.

[@sdgelectronics]

@@tomkatgastraining unfortunately the NCV tester works only on capacitive coupling, so there's a multitude of situations where it'll give misleading results. You're much safer to use a meter or 2 pole tester

[@aptsys]

@@tomkatgastraining Fair point that also an NCV tester won't detect stray current! Only a clamp can pick this up! Dangerous advice!!

[@tomkatgastraining]

@@aptsys it’s funny how guys make comments about the safe to touch test. It was introduced to gas engineers because engineers are getting killed and injured through stray currents. The test is to see if a stray current is there and you are not guessing . How can me giving information to gas engineers with information given by governing body’s dangerous. They either carry out the quick and easy test or just dive in and hope they won’t get a shock or create a spark cutting into a gas pipe and making an explosive. At the end of the day it’s up to the individual if they think it’s worth it or not but don’t say I am giving dangerous information when it clearly isn’t.

[@tomkatgastraining]

@@sdgelectronics how dose a gas engineer do that on a gas pipe when they don’t have an earth or neutral to hand for the other side of the tester. It’s not safe isolation it’s safe to touch test big difference.

[@aptsys]

Useful info. Thanks.

[@WEYHARRY1]

Very good

[@all4heatinggaslimited40]

Technically you need both machines depending on the job and situations, you are doing system conversion and install, you will need a powerflush machine on dead boilers . Magna cleans not going to help on dead Boilers

[@mcr3588]

very helpful

[@abchannel3737]

You are the best 🌹🌹💐💐💐👍👍👍

[@foryourlugsonly]

I use both. Together, at the same time. Because why wouldn't you?

[@milkman100001]

you need to get yourself a yellow plastic rad valve spanner.better than any adjustable holding the valve while removing.

[@onemandrone]

I use a power flushing machine, with the magnets!

[@timmortimer5726]

I have a powerflush and a magnaclense. Prefer the magnaclense powerflush is old hat now.has anyone used throughflush system

[@plumbertime]

Powerflush all day with the magnet. Magna cleanse you might aswell just fit the filter and say done.

[@kennethhogan9115]

But why bother with the magnet at all when powerflushing just dump until clean

[@plumbertime]

@@kennethhogan9115 A soon as I start flushing the magnet is working. I like to circulate for 20 min if I’ve not pre dosed. Plus I circulate the chemicals through each rad for 5-10 min before I start dumping so it’s pulling crap out straightaway. And customers love to see the sludge dildo 😂 Let’s them them know something being done

[@darrencahill5159]

By using the magnet with the machine, you're not dumping all your chemicals down the drain. So they stay concentrated and work properly until you want to dump water.

[@Ian20232]

Hi plumber time. Would love some hints and tips on power flushing as I’ve just got myself a machine.

[@plumbertime]

@@Ian20232 go on kamco website and you can read about it.

[@uklifestyle9494]

Great 👍

[@roberthatcher2773]

Why not do both!

[@CARTERBRFC1]

Anthony Carter 👍

[@paul_my_plumbs_uk]

👍👍👍 Del boy

[@Declanjudge]

Magma clean 👍

[@samchappell233]

👍

[@secondchance4498]

chris taylor

[@marccrowther7257]

Marc Crowther

[@SuperWayneyb]

👍🤓👍

[@onemandrone]

using a magna cleense, fine, but its not doing the same job... sorry stop being lazy..

[@accesszero4803]

Magnacleane all day long

[@UrbanPlumbers]

magnaclense is useless in my experience

[@benjaminortega6149]

Thank you Derek, great video. I would like to add that as I understand this, the Magnacleanse in only an additional component. As explained BS7593:2019 document Note 3 page 7, this is an example of a device that when added to any of the accepted methods of cleaning the system (Powerflushing, Mains Pressure clean and flush, clean and flush using gravity) improve the cleaning process in time and effectivenes. But using the Magnacleanse just alone without following the process exclained for the accepted cleaning methods would not be a satisfactory. In my opinion it is faster to clean a system using a powerflushing machine, than if I used a Magnacleanse to assist in cleaning a system following the described cleaning procedure explained in this document for Main Pressure clean and flush, or the Flush using gravity.