Choosing The Perfect Bullet For Deer

[@gjordininscore3968]

I could sit and listen to him talk all day

[@Jeff_Seely]

In 1948, John Nosler came back from a moose hunting trip and developed the Partition. I bought my first 270 35 years ago, have used the partition every year with many different 270s and I have always found my dear within 50 yards of the impact. My point is that great hunting bullets have been available for many decades and the 270 cartridge is plenty for any deer if you've got a good hunting bullet. And the partition A-frame bullet is all I have ever needed. But I am not going to take a shot on a deer past 250 yd. I'm going to close the gap and I have never shot one past 200. I am very happy within those applications. Thanks, Tom!

[@derekheuring2984]

I completely agree with the comment regarding Nosler partitions which have been my go-to bullet for reloading my hunting cartridges with only two exceptions. Early season Mule Deer hunting in the mountains above the Yalakom River in British Columbia means you're hunting above the tree line making it very difficult to get to close to them so I worked up a n extremely accurate long range load in my Husqvarna Sporting Rifle chambered in .270 Winchester using 140 gr. Hornady boat-tail bullets. The bullet usually anchored them on the spot with only a few taking more than a couple of steps. The other bullet was 250 gr. Barnes bullets I used in my .358 Winchester BLR bear gun which I handloaded the snot out of to make a devastating short range bush gun with which I took several bears.

[@finniganshomestead2956]

I don't have the brain to think about all those variables and hunt at the same time. SOOOO the good old 30-06 and a 150 grain Nosler partition is as good of an all around cartridge I was able to come up with in my situation here in east Tennessee

[@keithlambert6217]

I learned more from this video than any I’ve watched before. Thanks for putting it together.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I love the avatar!

[@Eleazarsc]

I completely agree. I'm pretty green, but eager to learn. This video will be saved and watched multiple time. Thank you, Mr. River!

[@dimebag6982]

I have found that the 140gr nosler accubond is one of the best bullets for the .270. Try it out, I promise you won’t be disappointed.

[@terrymcclendon2277]

I have been a bow hunter for 30 years and never hunt a certain stand unless the wind is right , so 30 30 within 50 yards is my choice and with standard cup and core bullets is deadli , god bless thank you!!

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

My hat's off to any bow hunter. It requires some serious skills to take deer with a sharp pointed stick!

[@joesabedra8792]

Man I Geek out on of it. Bullets, powders, BC all of it. Always tweaking. Cartridge length, I get closer to the lands on some bullets. This is a great video. Geek Mode.

[@saskcop416]

Yes, Accubonds are boat-tails. I think they are one of the best all around, various range bullets. Bonded is the way to prevent failures. Good video.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks. I had read years ago that they weren't a true boat tail even though they have an angle on the base. From what I know now I still wouldn't say they are are a true boat tail? They're sort of in between a boat tail and a flat base and that's why Nosler came out with the Accubond long range. They made it a full boat tail to raise the B.C. and I'm sure they made it a little softer for long range impacts at slower velocities as well? At least that's my understanding of it.

[@AcousticHunter]

That's what I call a quality video

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks!

[@MariusNortje-w3g]

I only have one rifle. I bought it (used) from someone during 1995. I've loaded it with all kinds of makes and grains of 30 cal bullets over the years and also wasted alot of money doing so. I now shoot 150gr. Accubonds loaded to a mild 2750 at the muzzle of my Aught Six. Close range up to 300m, I bring em all home. Springbuck, Impala, Kudu, Eland, they all come home with a shot (anywhere) on or around the shoulder, bone or not bone, this load works for me. I've taken a Springbuck, in the eye, during a Karoo hunt at a distance of 230m during typical windy Karoo conditions. Soft on my shoulder, clover leafs at 100m. This load is awesome!

[@ronws2007]

25:40 "Son, you are gonna drive me to drinkin if you don't quit drivin' that hot rod Lincoln..." Loved that song as a kid. I have fished since 1970. But I was not able to hunt until recently and now I am all et up with it. But I came to choosing the .308 Win from a different line of reasoning. During the 70's it was SOP to train Marine Scout Snipers and even Army DM and Ranger snipers on a version of the Remington 700 short action .308 Win. The Army was the M24 and the Marines was the M40. The reasoning was that a short action and barrel length of 22 inches or less was a light rifle with a weight around 175 gr that would knock down a 200 pound target at 600 yards. Why is that? Well, even today, most snipers are engaging at 800 yards and less. In urban settings, much less, more like police SWAT distances of 100 yards. So, I surmised, that it might be slight overkill but a definite solid hit to choose this round because in my use for deer hunting, I would be hitting a 140 pound buck at about 100 yards or less. So, I am thinking, besides energy, trajectory performance might be a key issue. Is the trajectory flat? Flat trajectories work well for changing fields of fire at unknown distances. So, a varmint hunter does with with a .22-250 and a tactical scope. There is a youtube channel called woodchuckin and that is what he does, rid farm fields of the pests known as woodchucks. He posts on a slightly raised spot, dials for distance and holds over in the reticle for windage. There is some arc you can see in the bullet trace but it allows him to dial with confidence because he knows the bullet is only rising a few inches. If he aims at the main part of the body, he will hit. My Mossberg MVP Long Range 308 Thunder Ranch is 1/3 MOA at 100 yards with Federal Nontypical Whitetail .308 Win 180 grain. At 2570 fps. A slow fat bullet that will go right through heart and longs expanding on impact (it has the "ballistic tip.") I have known others to hunt deer with .270 Win. Even elk. I would think that you should hunt elk with no less than a .308 Win 180 grain. Maybe a .300 Win Mag. Now there is a useful round. Back to the sniper training thing. Often, a military sniper will change to a .300 Win Mag because it has a higher BC. You can dial elevation for distance and if the wind is 4 mph or less, you can hold left or right edge of target into the wind and you will make a hit. Back to accuracy. To many movies show a sniper piercing someone's earlobe. It does not work that way. The intention of a sniper is to put somewhere between 175 grains and 220 grains into center of mass of a target at distance. That is considered a successful hit. So, as much as accuracy is a worthy pursuit, our intention should be to put somewhere between 147 and 220 grain within an 8 inch area at medium distance (I think long range starts past 300 yards.)

[@brob-zy8zi]

I now hunt with a .270. I shoot factory ammo. 130gr Accubond Nosler Trophy Grade. My shots could stretch out to 200 to 300 yards possibly in some situations. I shot my first deer with it this year at 50 yards off a ledge at a downward angle. I shot high shoulder and that buck didn't move an inch. It was like lightning hit it. The bullet itself passed through completely. The lungs were destroyed. The exit wound was not large but it did the job well. At around 3,000fps I was impressed that this bullet could hold together so well at that short distance. High velocity rifles are a new thing for me as I've hunted mostly with .30-30 and 12ga slug guns. I have done a lot of reading on bullet design etc recently and I think for high velocity rifles, as you said, bonded bullets are a must. I've not tried any other bonded bullets from my rifle but that accubond really did very very well for me and the controlled expansion meant nowhere near as much meat damage as a soft point as well. Thank you for the great video. You have an extensive knowledge and I think it will help many new hunters more easily sort through the many rifles we have avaliable for hunting.

[@jdonnelly46]

Great video and this guy seems to know his stuff. You get information from him from his experience. I am a former gun shop owner and hunter and I have shared the same type of information with my customers.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks, I appreciate your comment.

[@grizzlytabaccy]

It's all in where you put that bullet..I love the vids and it is fun to debate on cartridges..when you're a handloader you really appreciate how much time and effort that goes into that spit second BANG! I'm a 168 grain boat tail hollow point 30-06 man and gonna give my 300RUM a try this year keep up the good vids man.

[@russellk6415]

I know where you are coming from on the 270. Back in the 70's the name I gave the 270 was track um down. I have tracked so many deer shot with this caliber then all other calibers combined. Funny, because now I have one and it's my go to deer rifle. It literally smokes them. The bullet technology has come a long way since then. I'm also a big fan of the 243. This caliber is a little different. I'm very selective on the bullets I use and of my shot placement. Of course I apply the same theory to the 270. I've learned over time that it is not the caliber that matters. It's bullets and shot placement. Tom, keep the videos coming. Even us old guys can still learn. Be blessed!!!

[@davidcraig9938]

You were right the first time...

[@jamesmooney5348]

You talk about an ol' grandpa truck. My favorite engine is the Ford 300 straight six. Clifford Performance had or may still have some great parts for inline motors. Turbos on these motors really live'n them up as well! But parts are not only hard to find for the 4.9, but expensive.

[@robertsanders7061]

I’ve been hunting with a 257 Roberts for 30 years. It never let me down

[@treadmarsh1094]

I used to reload a few different calibers years ago before my children came along and I enjoyed the research part of reloading. Now, my kids are grown and doing their thing and I am preparing to retire and look forward to reloading my own ammo again. Watching your videos has been an excellent source of information that has refreshed my memory and taught me a lot that I just didn't know back when I was young. Thank you for taking the time to share your excellent experience about " bullets " .

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks for that and I'm really glad you've enjoyed my videos. And I have to say reloading is so much easier now than it used to be because there is so much information available now verses back in the day. I just hope the reloading comments are available again by the time you retire because they sure are tough to get right now! LOL

[@russellkeeling9712]

I have been reloading for 54 years and I still learn stuff every time I watch Mr. Rivers videos.

[@ianmccutcheon6319]

This video is extremely informative. I really like the way you deliver your points in a very easy to understand method. 5 Stars !

[@TheGingerKing1994]

The only bullets I haven’t had problems with are plain Jane soft points. When hornady came out with the lever revolution I was a young man just getting into ballistics. I assumed (yes I know) the external ballistics would carry over terminally. I was probably around 16 and all of a sudden I started experiencing a wounded deer problem. This was after me and my marlin 336 had shot 4 or 5 deer so I was mortified. Years later I read all the articles about the inefficiency of those rounds and I can tell you first hand it’s true. There’s three or four deer that had those rounds blow up on their shoulders requiring tracking and/or follow up shots. I returned to regular old soft point ammo of various manufacturers and sure enough she started dropping deer. That’s my horror story! Thanks so much for the content.

[@fedup3582]

I have used the hornady leverevolution 30-30 with the 160 gr FTX bullet on multiple deer and multiple antelope and have had nothing but fantastic performance with full penetration. Only once did I retrieve a bullet. The antelope was steeply quartering away and I tried to sneak a bullet in behind the ribs on the right side to angle up through the vitals. I was a little off and the bullet went through the hip, angled up through the vitals and just punctured the hide ahead of the left shoulder. It had penetrated full length of the antelope and I found a perfect mushroom hung up in the hair, just ahead of the left shoulder, after penetrating the hide on exit. My 30-30 has a 24 inch barrel and is getting full ballistics out of the cartridge. All broadside shots have blown through the deer and antelope, usually dropping them in their tracks. If you are having problems with the hornady FTX 30-30, I can't imagine what you are doing with them.

[@lukeraven1799]

I've had good luck with Federal premium 150 grain Nosler Partion in the 270

[@StumpkillerCP]

I am primarily a whitetail hunter. I prefer a broadside shot just behind the front leg and slightly into the lower portion of the chest. Minimal meat loss. I have settled on the bonded-core Swift Scirocco II of 130 gr at 2,860 fps MV (chronographed by me) out of my 260 REM. Thin pure copper nose and thick copper body; and in between a flat base and boat tail. Shreds the lungs. I get 7/8” groups at 100 yds and that is just fine. This year’s deer was at 15 yards!

[@mbw65]

Been using .270 since late 60's, never lost an animal. Reloaded from the beginning so used best bullets of the day, Speer and Sierra, which weren't as good as now

[@Yelladog78]

I like fragmenting bullets over hard bullets, whitetail are pretty easy to kill.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I would definitely take a fragmenting bullet over one that's to hard. But I'm going to be a little more particular with that fragmenting bullet and avoid raking angles from behind because of penetration. And you're right, they are pretty easy to kill.

[@johnl5974]

Very interesting presentation. Stuff I hadn't thought about. Like a lot of hand loaders, I get hung up on B.C. since I shoot paper at 300 yds more often than deer.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I think we all share that tendency?

[@johnl5974]

@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I haven't watched all the videos yet...but a suggestion. a video illustrating how complicated scope reticles can cause confusion under stress. Mine has a 200 yard zero, not my usual 100 yard. And it is only good at 8X. I'm learning the real meaning of KISS principle. Interesting reticles are fun target shooting but mess me up when deer hunting.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

@@johnl5974 That's a great suggestion. That's also why I prefer using maximum point blank range and if I'm going to shoot a long distance use a cartridge with a long maximum point blank range. Just put the cross hairs on him and shoot. And I've also experienced how magnification can really mess you up at close range. I was 16 and I still have nightmares about that buck getting by me.

[@russellkeeling9712]

I think you might find that if you shoot mostly paper and you are shooting at 300 yards you will find the flat based bullet is more accurate than a boat tail bullet. As explained to me the reason is in the crown of the barrel. If there is even the slightest imperfection, such as a small scratch, in the crown the boat tail bullet allows gas to escape earlier at that flaw than the rest of the bullet causing the bullet to yaw. The flat base doesn't do it quite as bad. It might be worth a try. I use both but my paper shooting is in preparation for hunting.

[@mountaintopjdog1131]

Wow now I understand why some people say they can't ever hit anything with my old Bushmaster 30-06 model. She just needs a little understanding as to what she likes run through her. I was using Federal's 180grain @ 150 yds. and she was 1" low and to the right. I would adjust for drop and couldn't group closer than 2". I think I'll put on new scope and try 150 grain cart. She might like that better. The old scope is a Bushnell 3x9 that was beat up. I learned so much, thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

You're very welcome. And I hope that Bushmaster settles down with those 150gr bullets.

[@JohnProph]

I think it would be beneficial if you did a video explaining how to set up a rifle/bullet combo for different shooting scenarios. for instance a 308 shot from a stand or where the max distance might be 50ish yards, versus a 308 where the shot might be 100-150 yds. Bullet selection, barrel length etc. that would be a nice part 2 to this discussion

[@ebbebystrom1010]

I used to look at BCS and velocity, balancing both with recoil. Then I switched to 3006 with a round nose and it just plain works.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I've taken an awful lot of deer with a round nose myself and never even came close to losing one with a round nose.

[@joelodjick230]

Hello Tom, Great video! And a very easy to follow talk on a complicated subject. I ain't the fastest thinker so make things as simple as I can, I just load the 30-06 and 308 with a 150 gr Partition and shoot just about anything with it haha. Your 270 with the Accubond is a very elegant solution to just about any problem too.

[@jaybailleaux630]

I did not learn anything because I am a smartelic know it all but I like to hear Tom talk.

[@russellkeeling9712]

The 47th Lyman reloading manual has what they call the Optimum Game Weight table. This advises what the maximum weight of a target animal should be according to the firearm, bullet weight, velocity and distance. When reading their table it will surprise most people at how under gunned they are when they shoot at long distance. For instance looking at a 7mm mag. using a 140 gr. bullet at 3175 fps shouldn't be used for any game weighing more than 332 lbs. at 400 yards or more according to the Lyman Optimum Game Weight.

[@davidtrishhope9841]

I prefer flat base bullets in my 3006 when shooting close up and out to 300 yards ,unfortunately when i needed to replace the barrel ,that was worn out i found the new barrel only liked boat tail bullets .a friend asked me to load 243 cartridges for him ,he is a bush hunter mainly ,so mostly close shots .i talked him into buying me the heaviest bullets for me to reload for him and didn't load them to the fastest velocity .he has found them to work beautifully.

[@christinehart5724]

Great information- this is needed for setting up for a great outcome when shooting or hunting. I most say that the 270 Winchester is the only one that I have done my best not to have anything to do with! The long range insiders of my time could not explain why, but when you looked at bench rest rifles they were 6mm, 6.5 mm, 7mm and .308”s they felt that it had to do with the bore of the 270 Of course that was back in the 80’s

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

That is interesting. I had never even thought about it but you're right. I can think of several reasons the .270 wouldn't be great for bench rest or long range shooting but I can't think of any one in particular. Maybe it was just a combination of factors? But I can say from the hunting side I have gained a new found respect for the .270 since I started experimenting with it. It isn't very versatile in terms of bullet weight choices but the few you have are just about all you could want for hunting.

[@christinehart5724]

@@TomRiverSimpleLiving thanks again... bullet choice is a big factor in why a rifle in 280 Remington is the better choice...7mm Remington Mag maybe close to all around...but if I were doing it today... 35 whelen or 350 Remington Mag! After all, you never know what you might bump into in the woods.

[@fedup3582]

@@christinehart5724 maybe what you need is the 280 AI. Better than the 280 in my opinion, and has aspects that I feel give some advantages over the 7mm rem mag. Myself, I wouldn't pick the 280 over the 270, my preference goes to the 270, though I know the 280 has certain aspects going for it. It all depends on what you want to do with the cartridge and then you need to find the right bullet for the cartridge, for the use you want to use it for.

[@fedup3582]

@@christinehart5724 i hope you also try either the 35 whelen or 350 rem mag. Probably not the best if you are wanting to shoot in excess of 300 yds, but in my opinion, 300 yds is getting out there for the vast majority of hunters. Just my opinion, but i really liked my 35 whelen and 350 mag, especially the Remington model 7 CDL I had in 350 mag. After I had it glass bedded, it was a solid moa rifle. It was light, handy, good looking, fit me beautifully, and really put the smack down on the game I took with it.

[@christinehart5724]

@@fedup3582 the 280 AI is a great cartridge. Better bullet choice Over the 270. How ever, I’m getting older and have seen a lot of rifles and cartridges. I no longer set up for shots over400 yards. So my to go to is now a 308 Winchester backed up by a 350 Remington Mag. In time you find what works best for you. Good luck

[@cornbreadburgess1950]

Thank you Tom for sharing ,I did learn much and have been using flat base for our 308 .but target boat tail and am working on what you have brought up,I have much to evaluate ,thanks for the heads up GODBLESS.

[@bobbyboothe8964]

Tom. I have saved yr videos. And I can watch them over and over again. I'll agree with you 💯. Yr Information is point on. Thanks again

[@jeffreyharmon7543]

Just found your page. I love your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@maxcontax]

Got caught up in the 6.5 excitement but after using it with 140’s for a few years I am back at 140’s in my Remington 700BDL 270Win…it just works.

[@darrellhowcroft6941]

I thank you . Your info was as if i was talking to older seasoned uncle or grandfather talking about ....back in the day... thank you again sir........ god bless......

[@jumpninthedarkalley]

Was reluctant to watch a 40 minute video. Glad I did! Getting back into hunting at 27 years old and haven't shot a deer or an animal in 10 years since I was 17. Trying to pick a rifle calibre. Thanks a ton! Really helps me make my mind up. It's tough because I have a neck injury that restricts me to lower recoil rifle rounds. Appreciate the info for my search for the perfect round! Take care.

[@jumpninthedarkalley]

So far I'm looking at the .357 and the 243. ....... Thinking the 243 is a good option, but that the .357 would be fine for shots under 150 yards. I don't plan to take far shots. Also the 357 has a bigger diameter bullet then a 243 correct? So in theory it has better mushrooming and a lower chance of penciling using say 160-180 grain load under 150 yards correct? I feel like bigger handgun loads under 150 yard shots are excellent, no? Because they have a bigger bullet like the 30-30. Thanks so much @

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I would actually go with the .243. The .357 is an outstanding cartridge for deer but I think out to 150 yards would really be pushing the limits of it. That's starting to get out there for even a 30-30 and the 30-30 has more range the .357. So just based on that distance out to 150 yards I would choose the .243. For under 100 yards and especially under 80 yards I would pick the .357 over the .243 every time. And the old 30-30 might be a good option? It can reach out to 150 and it's still light on recoil compared to other offerings. And I have another video that might help, Choosing the perfect caliber for deer. I get more into thinking about cartridges in terms of distances where they're at their best in that video. I hope that helped?

[@elizabethnybeck9935]

243 for sure I have a 357 100yd or less

[@michaelwilson9986]

Excellent... Well said.. Personally The things mentioned here is why I normally go with Nosler Partition n now there Accubonds.. 270 I wouldn't use any 130 in them even the above..Seen 1st hand Deer lost to them.. 140gr Non issue same for. 150.

[@rtrapper4life]

This is an old video now, but it just made me think about how certain bullets are made softer than others to shine in certain cartridges over others. I find it funny that most 130 grainers seem to be too soft for the 270 win velocities, yet the 270 win was the reason most of these 130 gr bullets were originally made. Seems to me like the 130s should have been made a little more stout right from the get go.

[@jetb]

Thanks from New Zealand

[@jasoncombs664]

This is a amazing video, you can see his experience is immense. The only thing to me is if you are hunting game that is known for long range shots such as big horn sheep and you anticipate shooting the animal at a long range, you would probably have a boat tail bullet. But, what if your hunting and one runs up to you at close range. There is another old saying “ it’s better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it” so with that being said you never know at what range you might see your trophy. So I guess just carry the long range bullet and focus on perfect shot placement if a close shot is available.

[@peterconnan5631]

Jip, all true. For interest's sake, the bullet I have found that performs well over the widest range of impact velocities is the Rhino Solid Shank. This is a bullet with a lathe-turned copper "jacket" and a bonded lead core. The lead tip is level with the copper (so not a hollow point yet doesn't have an extended lead tip that can get damaged under recoil). The rear portion of the bullet is solid copper. It expands quickly and at relatively low velocities yet exhibits great weight retention at very high velocities, and has consintently put the game I have hunted with it down faster than anything else I have tried. This bullet is manufactured here in South Africa, but I am pretty sure you have similar bullets over there. Of course it's not perfect. No bullet is. It's three drawbacks are cost, relatively low BC (due to that blunt tip) and they are not quite as accurate as some others (although I have shot many sub-MOA groups with them). I also feel that BC makes very little differnce at the distances I am prepared to shoot at game (my limit is 350m/380 yards). I have used them in .270 Win, .308 Win, .30-06 and 7x57mm at ranges from 20 yards to 300 yards.

[@aronkoppold3981]

I love old Tom he's a heck of a honest American

[@shaunzimmerman661]

In my 30s i have always been told u want spitzer flat base soft points. Remington, hornady interlock, sierra spitzer pro hunter, ect. My dad preffers sierra pro hunter for most but used flat based interlocksfor 270!

[@craigleibbrand7761]

The 160 grain Nosler 270 caliber semi Spitzer partition was the one that the guys used on elk caribou and even moose, in the 270 Winchester. It puts the 270 Weatherby Magnum in another dimension.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Craig, I get the feeling you like the 270 Weatherby! LOL And I have to admit it is an impressive cartridge. I can also see that 160gr partition being some serious medicine in that cartridge and potent in the 270 WIn as well. I only hunt deer here in the southeast so I've never needed anything more than a standard 270, but I certainly see the benefits of the 270 Weatherby with a 160gr Partition on big game.

[@tonydevich7937]

Me too,I just bought a savage axis in .270 just to play with

[@485Baron]

Perhaps the reason 30 06, 308 and 303 British work well because they were the result of a lot of trials over time (tried and true) so this makes them an easy choice.

[@jamesmooney5348]

You set your 30-30 up for 300 yd PBR? Or you meant .270?

[@thecheapshot1065]

He’s spot on about expectations. When it comes to quality factory rifles even our budget stuff is coming sub MOMA guaranteed for the most part. When people are sport arising those World War One and two surplus rifles they were always getting the consistent CNC craftsmanship we have these days

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks!

[@thecheapshot1065]

@@TomRiverSimpleLiving You’re welcome sir. sorry to be so bold having asked that you subscribe to my channel as well I’m just really trying to put myself out there to grow my subscription base. I’m learning video editing right now it’s quite the learning curve in the meantime I’m trying to just post a little snippet of contact here and there. If I can get enough subscribers to apply for monetization my wife will encourage me Do you cut out more time to shooting at the range and filming and making videos LOL. Right now with what little I am bringing in from rifle scope referrals with Blackhound Optics she’s allowing me to reinvest into the channel. Picked up a second camera some better parts for my computer and a new gun that’s about it. Joe Rhea has been really helpful but he edits all his videos using Apple devices that use apps. And SCOG has been helpful with rifle collecting advice. Lotta great KZbinrs out there. Good community

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

It's tough squeezing it all in and I have definitely had to cut back on a lot of things. Doing this channel has turned into a 2nd job. But I really enjoy doing it and my favorite part is all of the conversations I've had with others. And I think making it about others is the key to being able to do it long term because if you just do this to make money for yourself you will quickly realize it's not worth it. There are a lot of easier ways to make money and to make a lot more of it. But for me personally it has been well worth all of the effort because of how many people that have said they appreciated what I'm doing. That is what makes it worth it. And have you tried Divinci Resolve for editing? It works on a PC and it's free but you will need a good graphics card. As for growing your channel, just be patient. It really does take time. And it takes time to learn how to make a good video and with any luck I'll figure out how to do that myself in another couple of years! LOL Good luck.

[@9johneboy]

I agree with about 95% of your videos, except for the one on choosing the perfect bullet for deer! Like you, I've also shot a lot of deer, being on crop damage, red tags, & mostly hunting. I use to be a .270 user, along with a variey of other calibers also. Not partial to any caliber until it's proven to me. I killed 3 bucks, with a 130gr. .270 custom Mauser G-3340 with a 26" med hvy bbl, using Nosler Partitions. Each deer, double lung shot, ranges from 35yds, to 154yds., each deer traveled a good distance before expiring due to not enough expansion. Shot deer with 130 Sierra BT's, 130gr Remington Bronze point (reloads), 140 Sierra HPBT, & 140GR Nosler BT. Those bullets had great expansion & dropped deer, usually within sight. I also shot deer (3), with 110gr Sierra Spire Pt, 57grs IMR4350, DOA. So when you say the hi - performance 130gr bullet in .270 is unreliable, I & Jack O'Connors would have to disagree (LOL)!! I really like your videos, not boring, & a very professional & business like, down to earth advice to everyone l Keep up the good work!👍

[@Lure-Benson]

You do know the old Nosler Partitions are made with a Zink + Braze alloy that make these bullets hard as a nail . I own boxes of old Zink - Bronze Nosler bullets in 7 mm - 30 cal - 6 mm Current Nosler Partitions are a soft pure copper that the total half to 3/4 of the bullet noise blows off . Today's Nosler Partition can't be trusted to stay together on Big large game . I had 5 338 225gr Nosler partition bullets blow on the side of a SE Alaska 9 1/2 foot brown bear. The bear jumped into the river then drowned to death with the help of bullets caused some crimpling . That was a lucky day the bear chose to run away instead of challenge us . From that day in 2005 was the last day I would use any kind of lead cored bullets . I exclusively used the Barns TTSX or TSX without any failed kills like lead core bullets constantly cause tracking game due to bullet failure. Everyone can use what ever you like, for me I am done with any brand of lead core bullets .

[@robertwainright1361]

alittle boring but GREAT info. I hunt with mostly 3 rifle, Winchester 94AE30/30), Savage 10(308 Win) and a custom Armalite AR-10B in 308 Win. The 30/30, I use 170gr. SP Core-lock within 100 yds, The Savage 10, I use a 150 gr. SP Core-Lock between 75 to 300 yds, and for the custom Armalite AR-10B 308, I use 168gr. polymer tip rounds between 250 to 500 yds. I have other rifles but these are my go to trusted rifles. Alot of good info here.

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

I like SST's. They blow up quick and jelly the entrails. They don't always exit but they don't need to.

[@frankwebster3656]

I just subscribed a little while ago, and your channel has a lot of amazing information that other channels don't talk about. Amazing video., Stay Safe .

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I am glad you like it, and I do mean that. It's always nice to get some positive feed back.

[@michaelwilson9986]

Most bullet manufacturers have either on there website or loading manual.Recomended Use ,Type of game, IMPACT Velocity Range. Its important to check that out for the Game your hunting,Velocity range of the bullet at Impact ,n see what suits your rifle n use.

[@pim1234]

Learning so much from your channel ! Tnx !

[@craigleibbrand7761]

Love your videos you're the real deal

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks Craig!

[@johnhunt4579]

Great explanation Tom. I can truthfully say that I have a much better understanding bullet performance and a much higher respect for bullet manufacturers. Happy hunting sir!

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I'm glad it was helpful John, and good luck hunting to you as well.

[@fedup3582]

Good video. I find the terminal ballistics research site quite informative myself.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks

[@repairfreak]

Thanks for sharing your wisdom Tom, I find it very interesting all the different types of bullets and how they work as you explain it. I draw from your video as one that is not going to shoot game and therefore not concerned with bullet expansion, but rather long range target shooting, if I learned correctly I would want to choose a hard, sharp tipped boat-tail solid bullet with a great B.C. and traveling at high velocity for the .270 Win at say 300 yards max. What type of .270 Win commercial cartridge would you grab 1st if limited to factory loads for my mentioned application? Thanks again Tom for another great video. God bless my friend 😎👍

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

That's a tough question to answer right now and for the .270 Win. My first choice would be Federal Gold Medal Match ammo. It uses Sierra Match King bullets which are specifically made for precision target shooting (it's actually a boat tail hollow point) but I just checked and I didn't see it offered in .270. I didn't see Nosler match ammo in .270 either? And with the ammo shortages right now I'm not sure what's even available? Plus I'm not sure what your budget is? Match ammo can get pricey even when ammo is plentiful, So for the moment I would say anything you can get would be a good choice even if it's just hunting ammo. As for the high B.C. I wouldn't worry too much about that. The big advantage of having a high B.C. for target shooting isn't that it helps with bullet drop but that it helps with wind deflection. Those sudden gusts of wind don't affect a bullet with a high B.C. as much which means smaller groups. But a high B.C. doesn't really start making a difference until you get past 300 yards. If you're staying within 300 yards then even a standard flat base hunting bullet can produce small groups. So for the moment I would suggest you try whatever types of ammo you can get and just see what shoots well in your rifle. Try to figure out what bullet weight it likes and brand and then use that to work on your fundamentals. Then as ammo becomes more readily available you can experiment more with different types of precision ammo. I hope that helps.

[@russellkeeling9712]

One hard part of the .270 is they are usually a 1 in ten twist rate so they don't stabilize the long high BC bullets well. At 300 yards you shouldn't really need such a high BC bullet though.

[@repairfreak]

@@russellkeeling9712 Thanks for the reply, I two different brands of factory hunting type ammo to try out at this point. I have some Winchester Deer & Antelope 130 grain power point & Norma Whitetail 130 grain. Both are flat base type bullets. It will be interesting to see which my rifle likes better. Have a great day ✌️😎👍

[@craigleibbrand7761]

The Nosler Partition was and is the standard all around bullet.

[@garyh1449]

I chose the .300 Savage foe my all around deer rifle. I only take shots out to 200 yds. ( maybe 250 max in certain situations) I use 150 grain bullets that seem to do well at 250yds and closer.( Nosler partition, Hornady sst or Sierra Gameking.)

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

That sounds like an outstand choice for an all around rifle to me. I've mentioned in the past that I'm a big fan of the 303 British and I have taken an awful lot of deer with it. Well balistically that .303 British and 300 Savage are almost identical and I wouldn't think twice about using a 300 Savage myself. Great cartridge and chambered in some great rifles like the model 99.

[@mikekeretzman4757]

Speer Hot-Cor flat base or Sierra Pro-hunter for deer out to 300-yds.

[@jamesmooney5348]

Heavy, and I mean heavy, for caliber bullets that shoot slow but are soft-👍

[@joesabedra8792]

I have found that if I am running (let’s say a 6.5Cre) at 200+ Ganges I can run a Hornady ELD-X bullet for good controlled expansion. But at 100 yards I use a ELD-M for faster expansion because the X hunting bullet won’t expand at shorter ranges in the animal.

[@davep5227]

I'm a Salty 30-06 Fan 😁

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Then you should really enjoy the rifles I'm working on this summer. A 1903A3 Springfield and an FN M98 Commercial Mauser both in 30/06.

[@charleshuyck6641]

New boattails can be really tough like Hornady sst, Barnes all copppers, even Ballistic tips. most are soft point or hollow but do have fast yet controlled expansion over traditional bullet technology. Even Nosler is adding harder alloy to core and jacket and tapering.

[@Yelladog78]

SST ... tough , not in my experience

[@charleshuyck6641]

SST I use long range I use Barnes TTSX CLOSE

[@michaelgarner4229]

I wish the ammo manufactures would publish recomended impact velocities on the ammo box.

[@charlesbullee7215]

Like your videos and all. But man the 270 deal and losing deer is bugging me. Do u think maybe it had more to do with bullet and placement kinda what your video was all about. With the right bullet 270 is a good deer cartridge. Definitely has its limits tho.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

The .270 is an outstanding cartridge but the problems were exactly what you suggested, bullet and placement. And those problems aren't just limited to a .270. I shot a buck once on a power line behind the shoulder at 100 yards with a 164gr 30/06 and that deer ran off. I knew it was a good shot and he would be laying on the ground a few yards away. A few minutes later another buck stepped out in the same spot and I shot it and dropped it right there. When I walked up to the one that I dropped right there it had 2 entrance holes in it less than an inch apart. It was the same deer. It had circled back around in a low spot where I couldn't see it and walked back out in the same spot to see what that was. That bullet was too tough and moving to fast for a behind the shoulder shot and it penciled the deer. It's tough getting the balance just right on a bullet for rapid expansion in soft areas like behind the shoulder broadside shots but tough enough to stay together for quartering and through the shoulder shots, plus at different velocities at different ranges. The problems with the .270 were just more pronounced because it's an even higher velocity than the '06 and smaller diameter. And ironically I just finished a book written in 1970 by Jack O;Connor where he talked about this exact issue. His ideal shot and bullet with the .270 was behind the shoulder with a hollow point. This is a topic that I'm going to come back to one day when I figure out how to better explain it better.

[@craigleibbrand7761]

Back in the day I shot 150 gr. Speer bullets out of my 270 Weatherby Magnum. Never had a failure.

[@bruce6099]

In 30 cal projectiles, the heavier weight projectiles are actually tailored to the magnum calibres. Typically 180grn and up will have thicker jackets to dealer with higher impact velocities when fired from the magnums.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Agreed but where it gets tricky is with the 7mm's. When the 7mm mag was introduced all of the existing bullets were for the 7x57 and to soft. Now most are for the 7mm mag and to tough for the 7x57 and 7m-08. You have to really pay attention to what bullet you get with those three.

[@CARLPHILLY]

I’m a reloader also, when I started reloading I really learned the importance of bullet, projectiles that is. I’ve also hunted with a 270 for probably 30 or 40 years and I’ve not had problems with losing deer. That being said, I’ve only been reloading for a couple of years and I’ve really learned the importance of bullet selection, but that goes for all calibers, a bullet that’s too hard it’s not going to expand at slower velocities, say at longer distances. I see that you’ve loading Acura bonds, I am a big Nosler fan but Accu bonds or not the best bullet for a 270 especially out to say 300 yards are better, because the Accu bond needs a lot of speed to mushroom. Accu bonds are very accurate though, but ballistic silvertip‘s are a better choice for the 270, In my opinion, because they expand much easier even at a slower speed’s and longer distances.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Everything you just said there sounds spot on to me Carl, and that is something I'm a little worried about. When I first decided to try the Accubonds I was planning on pushing the 130gr really hard and I was more worried about it staying together at closer ranges but still work out to maybe 400 yards tops and realistically 300 yards is the furthest I would shoot. But I got my best groups at 3060 fps so not as fast as I was planning on and I'm worried about them being a little too tough for deer in that 200 to 300 yard range. So I'm already thinking the same things as you but they shoot so well for me I have to give them a try and I hope to find how they do at that 200 to 300 yard range here real soon. I have a pretty good deer on the back side of a clear cut that I'm not going to be able to get close to without spooking so it's going to take a pretty long shot. Hopefully we'll get a chance to see real soon.

[@CARLPHILLY]

I’m a big Nosler fan, so I’m mostly load Nosler bullets, partition, ballistic tip, and ballistic silvertip. Nosler says on their web page that H4831sc is most accurate, and I get 3124 FPS with it and in my 270 I get 1/2 inch groups. I know different guns like different things, and I’m almost bought some of the Accu bond myself because I know they’re very accurate but I did read about them not expanding or mushrooming very good at slower speeds so I was concerned about that and I’ve never shot any of them. Thank you for your channel bro, you’re good information and positive attitude are very much appreciated,, you have a blessed evening.

[@brianblake-oc3mg]

Very informative video thanks for sharing

[@lyleswavel320]

I once heard a guide in West Texas said the only bullet they didn't have to track was the Weatherby 300 Magnum, but that's a massive cartridge

[@craigleibbrand7761]

The mono copper type of bullets will not fail so now you can use a smaller caliber at higher velocity flattening the trajectory delivering higher shock and still get adequate killing power.

[@davidstuck2866]

I have been pretty fortunate over the years. I never lost a deer that I shot. My first rifle was a 'boring old"30-30. I later "upgraded" to a 300 win mag. and I finished out my deer hunting "career" with a 45-70. Yes, I KNOW that the only one of those rifles that were strictly adequet for deer, was the 30-30. but i NEVER had to track a deer after upgrading to a more powerful rifle either. they all dropped in their tracks.

[@Dale37]

All of my deer have been taken with either a 30-30 or .308. I have bought other calibers but I haven't taken a deer with them yet.

[@MSHunts]

Fantastic video great content

[@davidc2508]

Such good common sense. Thank you 😊

[@robertsanders7061]

How do you feel about a 44mag for woods hunting?

[@markhansen8078]

Great video. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you for sharing. Not enough emphasis is placed upon bullet selection. It seems to me somebody could put together a program or app that would be a huge aid for bullet selection. for various calibers, velocities, distances, ect. Thanks again. MH

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks Mark. I don't have an app to recommend but if you get a chance check out Ballistics research.com. They have some outstanding cartridge specific information on there.

[@laneh1968]

I’m sooo glad I found your channel. I have already sent links to my friends.... you may have covered this in another video but, You said you rifle liked boat tail bullets. Does the twist rate and barrel length play a big roll in what your rifle will prefer? If so, what twist goes well with which bullet type?

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Hi Lane, I honestly think it's just luck of the draw as to which bullet your rifle likes? And that's for both boat tail bullets vs flat base and what weight. I read an interview with a custom barrel maker once and he said every barrel was unique even 2 that were made back to back of each other and the more I see the more I believe him.

[@laneh1968]

@@TomRiverSimpleLiving thank you for your reply. You definitely have turned a light on things.

[@lukethibodaux790]

Fragmentation can be a very good thing or a very bad thing depending on how it is done, my first Alabama buck I shot with a 120gr ballistic tip out of my 6.5x55 that caused massive fragmentation damage to the heart and lungs, I mean chunky soup level damage yet the heel of the bullet remained intact enough to leave a nice 3/4" exit wound not that I had to track him, jumped once and hit the ground limp as a dish rag. It did not ruin a bunch of meat as the fragments stopped at the rib cage and I could not imagine a more ethical kill so I have to question weather or not that was a perfect bullet performance even with all the bullet fragments lodged on the far side rib cage.

[@russellkeeling9712]

This video would be a good one for the new shooters that have gotten in to long range shooting. The small calibers they use in an attempt to get a high BC might not have enough speed left at long distance for their bullet to expand. I do know the .308 has had problems with this.

[@jamesmooney5348]

I wonder what bullets Roy Weatherby first used? I would think he had fragmentation Issues with the higher speeds. Weatherby n Nosler = Peanut Butter n Jelly or Hammer n Nails

[@jamesmooney5348]

Wonder what Roy thought when he first heard of the Partion?

[@russellnilson1551]

My thought on your .308 friend when he had his rifle. If with shooting his short 20" barreled rifle, if he had used a 150gr. bullet to increase speed, he may not have experienced the near penciling effect of the slower non-expanding pushed 180gr. bullet.

[@ffoxyff]

Great information. Thanks for sharing.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@glennwood198]

so If u can give me advise? Best bullet or load for shooting within 200 yrds. with Ruger Gunsight scout. 16.5 in barrel.308 win.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Glenn that's a tough call as to what would be the best load but on the plus side it's a .30 cal bullet so no matter what it will work. A lighter bullet in the 150gr range will help give you higher muzzle velocity but a heavier bullet would give you better penetration once the bullet got there and since you aren't shooting over 200 yards you won't have to worry about the drop. I would probably opt for a 180gr round nose in your situation and I would be looking at some of the slightly faster burning powders like IMR 4064 or faster? The more conventional bullets and bullets on the lighter side would be fine also, but I would recommend you get one that will expand rapidly since you are going to be getting a little lower velocities. I hope that helps?

[@brockbarrington5948]

So informative! Thanks for taking the time to talk in depth on this issue. Very overlooked by most hunters imo. In your opinion, what would be an ideal 7mm-08 load (for whitetails mostly) between 75-300 yards??

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks Brock. As for the ideal load for the 7mm-08, I'm still looking for it. I'm a huge fan of the 7mm Mauser and I load for it a lot and it's balletically identical to the 7mm-08. So the ideal load for one is going to be about the same for the other. I've had good results with 145gr Speers and IMR 4350 and that's the load I'm using right now. It's a good combination but it's just not quite it. I do think the 140gr bullets ideal for deer and the ranges you mentioned but I just haven't nailed down the perfect powder yet. But I am hearing some great things about IMR 4166 so I'll probably be trying that next. I hope that helps?

[@brockbarrington5948]

And what about for factory loads? I don’t have my own reloading equipment yet, just access to a couple buddies’ stuff. Thanks again for the reply

[@jakk222rem]

You don't need a super premium bullet for whitetails. A core-lokt or a fusion would be fine. Any 140gr bullet will perform well on your target at your ranges. When you step outside the norm is when care is needed. Extended ranges or tough targets start making bullet selection critical.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

@@jakk222rem Brock I have to agree with Jakk here. For factory loads I would just try whatever you can find like Core-lokts or power points and just go with the one that shoots best.

[@marksmanmatthew6322]

What’s your opinion on the rem core lock 130gr 270.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I've never used Remington Core Locks in 270 but I have no doubt it would work. I checked their advertised muzzle velocity and it's just over 3000 fps. I would prefer it be closer to 3100 fps but that is more than enough and I've always loved the core lock bullets. I've taken a lot of game with them in other cartridges and the bullets always performed great. So they should work fine.

[@stephenland9361]

I have never been overly impressed with boat tail bullets. I read somewhere that they were introduced towards the end of the 1800's, particularly for machine guns. The idea was to give the bullet a lower drag coefficient to increase retained velocity (thus energy) at extended range. In WWI, that range was often up to 3500-4000 yards. Accuracy was essentially ignored. All that mattered was harassing the enemy at extreme distance (indirect, plunging fire). (Note; drag coefficient is not the same as ballistic coefficient.) However, modern analysis using (for example) the Schlieren photography system to see what actually happens at the muzzle of a modern rifle, boat tails become problematic. Gas from burned propellant escapes ahead of the boat tail and exits before the bullet. This can actually deform boat tails and cut into the jacket by flame-cutting. Boat tails simply don't seal in the bore as well as flat based bullets. The muzzle blast after the bullet leaves travels much faster than the bullet. This blast hitting a boat tail (reverse flow) can cause an uplift to the boat-tail, causing yaw and thus wobble. This happens only for an extremely short time but it's not insignificant on resulting accuracy. An ex-military friend once told me that boat tails also cause greater barrel erosion, although the average hunting rifle will never shoot the number of rounds needed to erode a barrel. (You're more likely to do that with a cleaning rod.) For hunting, you don't need ultra low drag and ultra high ballistic coefficient. You need accuracy. I have yet to find a good, dependable properly made hunting bullet that consistently gives better results than a simple, inexpensive Hornady InterLock flat base spire point. And they have a decent ballistic coefficient. For example, my go to .270 Win bullet, the Hornady Interlock flat base spire point, 150 Gr. bullet has a B.C. of .462 (G1). Compare that to a Nosler Accubond .270 150 Gr at a B.C. (G1) of .496. Out to 500 yards, the difference in velocity and energy is trivial. If you're unhappy with the groups you're getting with hand loaded boat-tails, try a few flat based bullets. You just might be pleasantly surprised. Full disclosure; I cribbed a lot of this from www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/boattail-vs-flat-base-projectiles/375628

[@russellkeeling9712]

I shoot a lot and it always amuses me when other shooters speak of how their rifle shoots 1 MOA right out of the box. Well I would like to suggest that most firearms will shoot much better than the user is capable of. I can shoot 1 moa with most of my rifles but it requires a good bench rest and a very steady trigger pull. Only when I get real serious do I do well.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Same for me.

[@joeparker7508]

20moa vs 30moa base mounts I have 300wsm which oneci need

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

If you want to zero at 100 yards the 20moa. 30 moa bases are just for long range shooting.

[@TMO-p7d]

I learned that long ago the 150 grain is the best for 270 win

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

I think solid copper bullets like Barnes TTSX are the best all around option.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I have yet to try the solid copper bullets so I can't comment on them.

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I'm interested to try Winchester's Deer Season Copper Impact XP this year. The large hollow point math's and science look impressive.

[@James-hd4ms]

A 308 20"barrel should do right around 2500fps with 180gr bullets. Factory and handloads. How is that very slow? Boat tail bullets are perfect for rifles that like them best. Some don't. Beautiful Ruger. How many cartriges did it take to find your load?

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I got luck on the Ruger and found the load really quick. Honestly I think that was the smoothest load development and testing I've ever done on a rifle? I tried 130gr Speer Hotcores for a flat base and 130gr Accubonds for a semi boat tail to which one it likes and it loved the Accubond. I did try some 140gr Accubonds also just out of curiosity but it real really liked the 130's. And for me 2500 fps is slow but only as it relates to maximum point blank range. In terms of energy with that 180gr bullet that's a serious deer slayer, or any other big game.

[@matthewhwang5938]

Nice video! Used 280Rem TTSX 140gr bullet while pig hunting in TX expecting to see decent sized boars... Only saw pigs up to 60-65lb range and when I shot one at 50 yds it "penciled" and the pig walked away like nothing hit him...it would have worked better if it was a bigger pig or I had aimed for the shoulder bone w TTSX bullet... switched to 150gr partitions and dropped the next 2 pigs in the similar weight... thanks for the video

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Those partitions are expensive but they also just might be the best hunting bullet ever made? I shot a buck once on a power line with a 30/06 just behind the shoulder and it took off but I knew it was a good hit. A few minutes later another buck stepped out in the same spot and I dropped it in its tracks. I walked up there thinking I had 2 nice bucks down but when I looked at the one I dropped it had 2 holes in it less than an inch apart. It was the same deer and it had circled back around to see what that was. That was an eye opening experience for me.

[@tylarhaugan7908]

Barnes loves when you shoot threw bone. I am building 280 ackley elk load 168 barnes lrx and and using 160 federal fusion for hogs and elk in pinch. those partition probably dump hogs

[@mr.mr.3301]

What is strange to me is to hear so many not like the 270 but love the 6.5 cm for deer. Any thoughts to why.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Marketing and not understand cartridges. The 6.5cm is a great long range target shooting cartridge because of the B.C. of the bullets and that helps at those ranges where you have to adjust the scope for elevation. But for hunting we often don't have time to be ranging the distance and then adjusting the turrets and that is where the higher velocity of the 270 will beat a 6.5cm every time.

[@bobkat1663]

Home run again.... If you will try and rem. the distance you hit the deer/deer sized, you ideally want the bullet moving 2800 fps. or slower, when hitting the animal, Anything above that, and the terminal velocity, is too great and you will get extreme tissue damage/or penciling and you lose the deer entirely. So find a gun that shoots 2800 fps. or slower at the muzzle and you can not go wrong. 30-30, 7mm/8mm mauser, Brit. 303, 6.5 x55 , 257 Roberts, 12 gauge slug gun, for deer at 0-50-100 yards. Now for your 270, just take a Nosler Partition in any weight, and load it at 2800fps or slower, you will be fine at 0-100 yards, but why bother when you have such a sweet shooter in the 7mmx57 ? 243/6mm are also good deer rounds at 0-100 yards but for opposite that rule. In this case the bullet is so small and light weight, the extreme velocity is welcome to make up for little damage caused by such a small bullet. So for example a 7mm Rem Mag. would be a good deer round at 300+ yards, but nothing closer. Also if your hunting 0-500 yards, here is another rule to live by, B.C. is B.S. Nosler Partition is the best of both worlds can not go wrong with them. The Federal TLR Edge looks to be another supper bullet. I hope this helps, Great video.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

I can't argue on the Partition. After all of these years I still don't think there is a better bullet out there.