Seymour Bernstein on Beethoven: Technique & Interpretation (Interview at the piano)

Join legendary pedagogue Seymour Bernstein for a fascinating and funny interview and lesson on Beethoven, hosted by tonebase Head of Piano Ben Laude.
Ben plays two beautiful slow movements for Seymour that bookend Beethoven's oeuvre: the early 'Adagio Cantabile' from his Pathetique Sonata, Op. 13, and the Bagatelle 'Andante, Cantabile e grazioso' from his final piano work, Op. 126.
Equal parts enlightening and entertaining, Seymour targets Ben's physical and expressive approach to interpreting Beethoven at the piano, searching for just the right rubato and helping him find the most poetic way to deliver each phrase.
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[@JoolsGuitar]

This is the closest to a Jedi master in real life. What a fantastic lesson.

[@c.a.g.3130]

Isn't that Obi-wan Kenobi on the left?

[@JoolsGuitar]

@@c.a.g.3130 you must be confused. He's the old Ben Kenobi 🤫

[@c.a.g.3130]

@@JoolsGuitar My bad.

[@JoolsGuitar]

@@c.a.g.3130 🤣

[@lordofwaffles222]

Holy lmao please see my comment. I said the same but the opposite 🤪

[@luisfilipedesouzagomes9545]

Currently mindblown by the fact that there are only 100 years between Beethoven's death and Bernstein's birth. Thanks for yet another lovely, soulful, entertaining, encouraging and deeply informative masterclass ❤

[@jmc2179]

Can we talk about how absolutely stunning this piano sounds and how awesome this is recorded?

[@tedl7538]

Yes Jim, it does sound remarkably rich and vibrant.

[@michaelsmith697]

This piano does sound totally awesome and resonant! Very impressive recoding.

[@philippebertrand3820]

Any idea of the model?

[@markxv2267]

@@philippebertrand3820 its the SoundMaster 2000

[@danteferrarirodrigues1433]

No

[@n0cturn3z]

That Chopin story at the end was pure gold. It proves there's no one correct interpretation. Playing expressively and true to ourselves should be the goal.

[@VexylObby]

So good. My students sometimes play their pieces, and I cheer them with joy. Then they look at me, "but I messed up right here...". I tell them that the reading isn't what really mattered. 😄

[@grantcarpenter184]

@@VexylObby Good teacher

[@Caroline1261]

I agree!

[@Pakkens_Backyard]

This. It's not about finding that one true interpretation necessarily, but to get intimate with the music to the point where it sends you somewhere.

[@n0cturn3z]

@@rleclaire87 yea I think this is different tbh. Seymour was talking about the right and wrong way of pedaling Beethoven. Its like over-pedaling in Baroque or playing Romantic composers extremely dry with no pedal. There are general guidelines that need to be followed that fit the era of music and the instruments they used. And also one needs to pay respect to the score and honor the composer and what they wanted. But even after those things, there is a lot of room to interpret the music as you connect to it. Phrasing, rubato, dynamics can all be individualized to some extent or another. Which is why Chopin's student was upset, because he wanted to play it exactly like Chopin did, but soon realized depending on the day and the mood, it can be interpreted slightly differently every day. And we all have our own subjective preferences on which interpretations we like and connect to more.

[@DoubleplusUngoodthinkful]

"This is the dryness. It's very upsetting." ROFL. Never will I ever let Seymour Bernstein hear MY playing.

[@AarPlays]

I know this comment is a year old, but I believe he teaches in a way that tells me he is very aware of skills the student has. He is correcting him because he knows he can do it.

[@bassbeardiful]

I'm not quite certain why but this video almost makes me cry. He is such a warm and passionate teacher and musician I suppose. Or maybe it's his no nonsense approach that has zero anger and no hint of belittlement. The subtle and respectful manner of the student's anger towards himself not fullfilling the teacher's hopes. Using it to make himself better, instead of giving up. This is like a religious encounter through the form of music. It's indescribably beautiful to me and I appreciate everyone involved in this video.

[@darkstudios001]

No hint of belittlement LOL

[@Untilitpases]

Probably some pent up energy. (Past encounters of similar environments but where the "social" dynamic wasn't this respectful and "mutual".) Or a musing of cycles of nature, generations passing on a slight resolve to yonger ones... The mind grasps a certain sense of futility in the individual, that progress is essentially an empathic process and you transcend the individual.

[@jonneiss7562]

@@darkstudios001 - maybe you are interpreting that through a different lens...maybe through past interactions with authoritarian teachers. I am pretty sure you don't get to be his student, unless he already deeply, deeply respects your ability. I think that is the pervasive context, an atmosphere of great respect...and then, within that, you know, a bit of wit to carry off the instruction. But no real demeaning attitude, just a bit of wit.

[@Snowy0123]

I don't even play piano and I can listen to this man all day... I love to hear the thoughts and philosophy of truly Master musicians

[@artysanmobile]

Imagine being Seymour’s piano tech, routinely solving stuff none of your other customers require.

[@robinthenoble6347]

"Seymour, why are all your D note hammers lying around the floor?"

[@veskovarbanov]

can we have Seymour every week please... love him so much

[@quadricode]

This is what a “masterclass” should be! Intimate, dynamic, and communicative. Not a “maestro” dictating to a muted student.

[@Bobo-ye7dq]

As a teacher I can say those lessons are so much more enjoyable to teach as well. I need to connect better with the more muted students.

[@PeterBezemer]

Much more appreciable than the langlang guy

[@ofcatarina]

Yes, well ANYWAYS...

[@ZKLofiTone]

@@PeterBezemer HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@mileshall9235]

Well. For that the student has to be already sufficiently capable to carry on a significant dialogue.

[@abz124816]

It looks like the student is humoring Seymour and Seymour is disregarding it. I wish I had teachers like that. They are one in a million.

[@archsys307]

you sure you meant to say humoring there

[@mynameisvu]

The theory/logic behind such a simple concept of playing softly on the piano is amazing. I've played piano for many years, but this interview is mind blowing. Makes me love piano all over again.

[@GuidoHaverkort]

The immediate "FATAL ERROR" got me😂

[@fabriceclement6587]

The next attempt in a crescendo is mind boggling!

[@ryanmustain6545]

The "clarinet" and "bassoon" sections were beautifully handled.

[@willyj3321]

I keep coming back to this video because these Pathetique passages (after Seymour’s corrections) are just about the best I’ve ever heard. Ben, please give us a full recording of the sonata!

[@davidfleming8436]

I don't have enough superlatives to say how wonderful, fascinating and entertaining this video was. Mr. Bernstein is an awesome teacher and Ben Laude is a great pianist and great host.

[@EP7745]

As a teacher and performer, these videos with Bernstein and Laude are pure gold. They are so inspiring, wholesome and more educational than any book. Thank you for making these open for anyone to watch!

[@Yarsig]

"The dryness is... Very upsetting." 13:50 Haha, the way he said that, and Ben's "tsk" had me cracking up.

[@sailingju-laytoddconant5223]

This is a beautiful open and honest conversation. I’m not a piano player. I cant even call myself a novice but I heard everything you both said and understood it. I loved your questions and the maestro’s answers. I don’t play so I can’t apply his instructions. I simply want to tell you how much I enjoyed this video.

[@gainorhillegass9303]

This lesson on nuances can be applied to any instrument as we learn to channel thought and emotion into our fingers or voice. My teacher called it "expression". As a pipe organist, I learned to use the tools (volume control, pedals, stops ) of the organ to provide expression, rather than finger pressure.Flute and string settings are softer in tone than trumpet ones! The 32 foot Bombarde is the deepest, loudest, earth shaking pipe. Both hands and feet are navigating the instrument at all times, so it is a whole body exercise in moving sound and creating those nuances!

[@andre.vaz.pereira]

Here is Chopin's quotation on page 126 in a footnote of p 56: "Peru experienced this especially with op. 15/2, according to what he told Ludwika Ostrzynska (p. 3): 'Over six months I played this Nocturne at Chopin's and every time I began to play it as Chopin had shown me at my previous lesson, he would sit down at the piano himself, saying "But it's not that at all!", and he would play it completely differently from the time before.'" P. 56 text: I am entirely indebted to him for the ever-different expression he taught me to obtain in my playing of his works. That is why I so often wept after having worked on one of his pieces which he would then play for me; to show me the style, he would make me hear it in an entirely different way from the previous time. And yet it was wonderful each time! [ ... ] How often have I seen him rise from the couch where he was lying and take my place at the piano in order to play, as he felt it, the piece that I had played - badly - that is to say, in an entirely different manner, though I had worked long and hard on it! That finished the lesson, for I did not want to forget this experience to which I had so religiously listened. At the following lesson, almost satisfied with the imitative fashion in which I had worked on the piece, I would play it again. Unfortunately, when I had finished, Chopin, once again stretched on his Technique and style couch, would rise and, with a brusque reprimand, seat himself at the piano, saying, 'Listen, this is how it should go', and he would proceed to play it yet again in an entirely different way.ll3 I could respond only with tears to this demonstration which in no way resembled the first one. Discouragement filled my whole being. Then he felt sorry for me, saying, 'It was almost good, only not the way I feel it.'

[@christianjanes972]

Do you mind sharing the title of the book?

[@abishekb2920]

@@christianjanes972 Chopin : Pianist and Teacher : As Seen by his Pupils by Jean - Jacques Eigeldinger.

[@blankroyai]

Captain oh captain, thank you very much!

[@andre.vaz.pereira]

@Arturo’s Michelangeli Chopin did play LVB' sonata op. 26 "Funeral march". It's very natural that he did teach Beethoven alongside with Bach, Mozart or even Hummel.

[@richhenry8004]

When teaching becomes more than just an exchange of information. The human dimension of it is pleasant to watch.

[@rescuemethod]

What a treasure to find this. Ben Laude is incredible and Bernstein is funny and amazing with each and every comment.

[@ozanoguzhaktanir]

I listen to classical music from time to time, I was paying attention to differences in playing before, but in this video, the difference was intense and it's importance become much more obvious to me. I liked it, I will go to more concerts from now on. Thank you.

[@bernamej]

I can’t believe how endearing and captivating Seymour Bernstein is.

[@thisisjnv]

“You want to play Beethoven your way, I will play it his way.” That’s it.

[@JakobPGrau]

Except that no one actually knows "his way", do they?

[@ulengrau6357]

This comment was originally made by Dame Myra Hess in response to how Bach was being played in her day (by a younger Gould of course)… so she answered with “You play Bach your way, I’ll play Bach his way.” Not to Gould, of course, but it was a clear dig at his new form of Bach playing and fans of it.

[@Eliza-yd7fi]

​@@ulengrau6357 It's Wanda Landowska though isn't it?

[@ulengrau6357]

@@Eliza-yd7fi Was it??? I think you're right!!!

[@krasw]

I disengage the safety everytime I hear this. What we know of Beethoven's playing, there is not a soul who plays like him these days.

[@jeangodecoster]

This is so awesome. The part about the crescendo midway was really something. I had never heard it played this way, and it makes so much more sense. I'm blown away.

[@dwm1156]

The final version of that crescendo was so beautiful, instant waterworks. Bravo, molto bello!

[@spiderslegs99]

The talent of these 2 musicians is just amazing to me. The understanding and passion they both have ...

[@samrjw8693]

My wife's Grandfather was the first Australian pianist to play the complete cycle of Beethoven's piano sonatas in public (At Sydney Opera House no less). I'm sure he would have loved this video if he were still with us.

[@jynxaudio4650]

of this things that were said, what resonates the most for me I think is when he describes the interactions between the orchestra he hears in his head. I think its just such an amazingly effective strategy to help you feel the emotions of the piece. The wisdom from a great never ceases to amaze, especially with something as refined as this

[@Pakkens_Backyard]

Beethoven's textures are almost always extremely orchestral, which is also why it's often times so dense and difficult to get it to sound "nice."

[@jynxaudio4650]

@@Pakkens_Backyard Yeah exactly, especially if you think about how you orchestrate each instrument at its own unique dynamic, and you then have to translate that to each finger's voice individually

[@HowievYT]

Thank you both, such gentle mutual respect, and elucidating to my ear for Beethoven. I'm no expert, and no pianist, but seeing the intimacy of attention you each pay to every single subtlety just increases my respect and understanding of what and how a musician is.

[@thesoulignacbrothers]

So magnificent to watch, even for a non-pianist 🥲

[@taribangbatuan6824]

Not every top pianist is automatically a good pedagogiest, but Mr. Bernstein is an exceptional pedagogiest we ever witnessed, thank you for uploading this moment, will turn to be a historical piano education documentary.

[@estebanb7166]

You could just say “teacher.” Holy cow…

[@CRFSUIGENERIS]

If I may, there is a higher level nuanced difference between the words. It doesn’t have to be pretentious. 😊 My humble opinion.

[@marbleman52]

I am now 70 and I do not play piano but was always in the school choirs from elementary school up through High School. I particularly liked singing in an acapella choir. My mother majored in piano and minored in voice when she was at a university. She taught choir for many years and gave piano lessons at our home. As a kid I would sit quietly on the couch in our living room where she gave the piano lessons and just listen. I started piano lessons but with a woman several blocks away but didn't stick with it. I was, however, exposed to a lot of classical music and to the great musicals of Rogers and Hammerstein. So I developed a small amount of understanding and 'feel' of the many nuances of piano music and of vocals. I definitely heard the difference when Ben played those little sections his way and then played them the way Mr. Bernstein showed him. It was incredible...!! Ben played exceptionally well, but just by softening those few notes he transformed the emotional impact of that section. I was mesmerized by the wonderful interaction and mutual respect that Ben and Mr. Bernstein showed to each other.

[@juditherwinneville7797]

Wow!!! What I'm learning after 62 years chasing after the piano!!!

[@brosan]

What a terrific video, proving no matter how good you are, you can always learn something from a master. So wonderful to see the back & forth. Well done! Thanks

[@cardinal8268]

Genius. What an honor to watch.

[@mraarone]

Thank you for your study, gentlemen, and sharing the master session. It’s great to see the mechanical discussion cross with the emotional terrain.

[@lordleo9047]

the pencil exercise with the note velocities is BRILLIANT. never even considered that

[@noddyslayer]

Im not even a pianist but I'm so inspired by this man. If only I can give it more likes. The last story was great!

[@icareg]

This is some high level teaching geez. I just finished my grade 2 abrsm, and had no idea how sophisticated technique can be

[@PassionPno]

This is a Grade 8 piece in the current ABRSM syllabus. 😊

[@kumokami03]

WOW.,you are truly lucky I'm a Trinity syllabus student and I just finished my Grade 8 exam. Been finding the score of this piece to learn, it's one of my favourite of all time

[@emmanuelwolfmusic410]

Sometimes the modern generation is incapable of criticism, which is the whole point of learning and growth, they think they know it all, humility is lacking very much I modern times, we need men like him.

[@mackiceicukice]

Dots are misanderstood by many pianists ....🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you-great video.Greetings from Barcelona.

[@27b563]

This is so truee

[@p.siq.6241]

These two beautiful souls... ❤

[@rrrimve]

Wow, as a drummer I really enjoying it and considering to learn piano now. Thanks for inspiration.

[@RosannaDAgnillo]

Incredible. I have learned so much from these videos from Maestro Bernstein!!

[@celesteaida48]

What a fascinating teacher!

[@asselabilseitova6138]

Loved every moment of this masterclass!

[@mk325ef]

Seymour has a fantastic mind for his age. I would love to learn from him.

[@Rodney-z5s]

Legato without the pedal is a very special thing. I stumbled on to that recently

[@chrissahar2014]

One thing I find interesting about great performers they are truly "recreators" --- they are composing in a way but with the music script given but finding so much to sculpt and orchestrate and bring to their playing.

[@alealicja1]

Cudownie Was się ogląda i slucha. Dziękuję za cenne wskazówki. Wszystkiego najlepszego.

[@mostresticator5]

this is gold, i love the stories of musicians

[@JTamilio]

This is so amazing! Absolutely wonderful to see the interaction. Kudos to both for their honor and humility!

[@RolandHuettmann]

I am asking myself -- besides this beautifully presented technical advice -- whether I will ever be able to envision those nuances myself. Can we learn to develop such enriched inner ear? All the beauty comes from those details of inner vision, and the technique follows.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

The sound quality on this video is amazing. I feel like I'm in the room with these guys... who are amazing to listen to.

[@kathleenmann4045]

I love these two together! So wonderful to hear this.

[@QobelD]

When Bernstein first played the part at the beginning, it was so clear what the peice was saying. He called Ben's version muddy. It's because Bernsteins lower voices are at a noticeably lower volume. The melody is always brought out as he plays. This way the voices don't all melt together and make the piece muddy.

[@iddomargalit-friedman3897]

It's amazing even a not very musical person like me can feel the difference!

[@carminelombardi9575]

So great to see this passed on to the next generation.

[@BR-yc3fc]

This is how I wish my piano lessons went instead of just saying yes over and over.

[@aren8798]

Great video. There is still a huge gap between Seymour and Ben. For many people, it is hard to imagine that someone who plays as well as Ben still can have a lot of room for growth. If it wasn't for Seymour's physical/age limitations, the difference would be even more rediculously obvious.

[@threelittlebirds3361]

Thank you, Gentlemen. A beautiful master class for us in dedication (in my mind) to Beethoven’s unspoken words 🙂

[@RevantuZ]

Watching this again - Mr Bernstein is a national treasure.

[@benjaminwheeldon9853]

Part of this is that to get the finest points from a master, it took a very experienced and skilled student who was already past the normal excellence.

[@killmaidie6469]

This is such goldddddd...it’s so intense and beautiful. That fatal error ‘pianissimo’, ‘be a soft pussy cat’ is such a scene.

[@nadia4985]

Legato without pedal together with that beautifully nuanced and sensible phrasing💕

[@GrotrianSeiler]

Wow, that Chopin story at the end was amazing. I am struck having had a chance to sit in on this discussion with the two of them. Hearing from Bernstein feels like a gift. Now he just needs someone come and even out the voicing on that piano. That way his suggestions will be even more significant.

[@hironakae]

the build up and break down as I hear it ebbs and flows with my breath and it inspires me so much! Really appreciate their sense of humor as well, amazing video

[@desertviking]

What a treat to watch, thank you

[@fuzzyjax]

Oh yes. Get inside the music baby. They’re only notes on the paper until you bring them to life. What a beautiful lesson.

[@vloggingismyhobby]

Seymour was so lovely to watch. His softy spoken its like you are listening & Watching movie a Fairy Tale story.. I wish i want to watch the master class conversation between SEYMOUR with LANG-LANG .🤩

[@yatskie1632]

Surprisingly, what they discussed here applies to all kinds of instrument, if you think about it

[@diegoferreirafernandez7793]

One of the most interresting masterclass

[@elenachiarenza6353]

" I like it dry ! I like it loud!" Better to listen to Seymour :)) !

[@TooleyPeter]

Beautiful playing and interaction. I enjoyed this so much.

[@behemothahn9266]

Mind is blown! I love playing piano

[@akiblue]

Bernstein went through a time portal to "know" Beethoven's intentions. Just like he did with Bach. What a relic this guy is.

[@johnmorgan5495]

Im in love with Seymour, what a fabulous human being.

[@lawrencetaylor4101]

I'm laughing since I'm struggling with La Méthode Rose and the exercises to slur and staccato. But I think I'll take this lesson to heart. Merci.

[@castlewyvern]

This video is a treasure.

[@buskman3286]

"You play X your way, I'll play him his way" is a common musician's barb. Landowska famously said it to another performer about Bach. But the reality is, nobody alive ever heard Beethoven (or Bach) play so we don't know what "his way" was. Since Beethoven was famous initially as a pianist and for his skills at improvisation, there's a good chance he would never have played any of his sonatas the same way twice!

[@silver_surfer88]

And the pupil plays like heaven. I love the piano

[@Mika-pv4bw]

Falling in love. I’m not a pianist. My mother was a concert pianist. I become a tennis player…. Watching this now @36 years old and I’m definitely enjoying every moment of this. This world is both beautiful and mad. Never thought that simple notes can take such tremendous skill to play beautifully…

[@matthewmicallef3811]

What a wonderful mind a virtuoso possesses.

[@mwhite6522]

He's so wonderful. What a soul.

[@SeaDrive300]

Happy 97th Birthday, Seymour! 🙂

[@TeachUBusiness]

I was spellbound. Wonderful!

[@antoniosilva7492]

Watch and listen some videos this mood of him. Lovely

[@NEMO-NEMO]

This is like dissecting a chocolate cake. I mean this in the most loving way; Those that create, and bake the cake will never enjoy the cake like those that didn’t make or bake it. Those that play the piano as professional pianists and or virtuosos, will never hear the piece like those that have never played the piano or written music for it. Beethoven created his masterpieces through his perceptions, sensibilities, feelings and his mastery of the instrument and his ability to write the notes down with the limits of musical instructions. We will never hear it like Beethoven would have played it and he will never hear it like an audience member. In connection with this video, I appreciate that they wanted to share the minute understandings of how to play a masterpiece, but believe me, those that hear these masterpieces fully understand what the writer is trying to convey.

[@Dennisoehler]

I close my eyes and tell the instant Seymour touches the keyboard.

[@neissansaber8423]

I wished I had a teacher like that for life's lessons

[@tombryant52jumpscoach]

I love listening to this video even though I know nothing about music except just listening.

[@dennisrohatyn7782]

Both Bernstein (b. Newark, NJ, 1927) and Laude (b. Austin, TX, 1986) are world-renowned pianists. Bernstein published two books on piano pedagogy, which were translated into several languages. He did not debut on the concert stage until he was 42; at age 50, he did farewell to performing tp concentrate on teaching. In 2014, actor Ethan Hawke directed a documentary about him, entitled "Seymour: An Introduction." Laude studied at Rice U., then took his MA & PhD at Juilliard in 2015. In addition to his concert career, he has published several articles, and edited a magazine devoted to music while he was still a graduate student. Since moving to LA to become the Head of Piano at Tonebase, he has interivewed and/or collaborated with many famous musicians, including Leon Fleischer, Garrick Ohlsson, and Maryam Raya. He has also recorded Bach's Goldberg Variations, which got rave reviews. in other words, this is not a "masterclass," though to the naive viewer or listener it may resemble one. This is itself a performance, right down to Bernstein's wisecrack at the very beginning ("you play Beethoven your way, I'll play Beethoven his way") which is borrowed from Wanda Landowska, who said the same thing with reference to J.S. Bach, over three-quarters of a century ago. That does not mean that Ben Laude is humoring Bernstein, or that Bernstein is merely pretending to teach. It means that Laude is pretending to be a student, and that Seymour is re-enacting his role as a piano instructor, for the benefit of the audience. Both men respect each other highly, but neither one needs any help from the other, even as they spar with one another, like two championship boxers staging an exhibition for the benefit of amateurs and other spectators. Like a mock bout (or a film scene), the entire session is choreographed (not scripted) in advance, so that neither actor will stumble or commit an embarrassing faux pas, while leaving just enough room for virtuoso improvisation--which is the point of the concluding anecdote about the student who played Chopin's nocturne differently from the master, yet no less magisterially. Thus Laube and Bernstein exemplify both the symmetry (theme) and asymmetry (variations) of musical art in their own dialogue, just as Plato's dialogues embody the abstract principles (love, justice, the quest for knowledge) under discussion. That is not mere happenstance; it is carefully crafted. The method is mimetic (art imitates life), the result cathartic (the viewer becomes engrossed, the listener heeds the call, the spectator becomes an actor, and life becomes art, thus saving the world from itself). Or as Seymour Bernstein hints, at the end: "Beethoven was the same" a messiah, albeit far from perfect. But then, who is, except on celluloid, or the printed score?

[@patrickvalentino600]

when you give your input to the master teacher, and they sit back in their chair and say "looky here..." you know it's coming

[@patstats1]

What a marvelous video. Seymour Bernstein still teaching…the interplay between maestro and student is beautiful. An accomplished pianist still working on not only improving but better understanding the mechanics and thought process. Bravo to all involved in this video.

[@CarMoves]

Their "fights" are the best parts of the video

[@SlayPlenty]

love this man

[@robinthomsoncomposer]

Wow I learnt so much more than I thought I would

[@shilloshillos]

Mr Bernstein is a genius and at that age, a sage, a master, the embodiment of wisdom!!

[@Bezmenov93]

Magnifique! What a precious moment.