Tonegawa's (De)Motivational Speech (from Kaiji)

[@inferno0020]

Tonegawa is possibly one of the most realistic villains I can recall. A mid-age white-collar manager that surives the harshest business culture on earth.

[@MrVariant]

In the same vein people escape accountability in said culture yet want me to give good ideas just to be stolen or heavily resisted without proof.

[@inferno0020]

@@MrVariant nobody knows what you are talking about.

[@MrVariant]

@@inferno0020 your denial of a harsh business culture from your own comment stupefies me. Or maybe it's plausible deniability.

[@inferno0020]

Go back to your mom's basement. Lazy bum. If you really have a business to run, you won't have time to leave messages here.

[@MrVariant]

@@inferno0020 you're leaving messages and my mom's dead. You just want to be cruel like the business owners and managers I referred to.

[@オレはイケメン]

この一連のセリフは、どんな自己啓発本よりも心に刺さるわ…

[@ハルチアニメ]

それな

[@ああ-p8r3w]

そもそもお前自己啓発本読んだことないやろw

[@jungtenesu7346]

@@ああ-p8r3w きもいな定期

[@ハローシャコどんちゃんねる]

@@jungtenesu7346 正論っぽい意見側を援護射撃してくれる奴のコメントの内容が過激すぎて場が白ける定期

[@ドンチャイナ-y9j]

刺さっても何も変わらないんだろ。俺はそうだった。素晴らしい金言を聞いても、その時はやろうって思える。でも酒飲んでテレビ見て、パチンコして仕事するだけの日々。このループから抜け出せない。何にも変えられないないんだ。結局は馬の耳に念仏なんだよ。悔しいが俺はそうだった。

[@吳家任-y1o]

He may be a villain, but wisdom flows from his mouth

[@生涯役満一筋]

ほんと福本先生はこんな名言どうやって生み出してるの笑 感服の一言

[@夕焼け-w4r]

経験しないと、この考えと言葉は出てこないw

[@AlliwantisAIDSHelpImKidnapped]

This is honestly so true, no matter how much precious motivational words you throw in your self, the life you live will always be the same.

[@henryng4074]

Brutal but brilliant!

[@revelred]

everyone goes through this. from rich people to the street fellows, offcourse it's harder if you got nothing

[@revelred]

but some say all you need to change is yourself

[@Woppettier]

This is DEFINITELY not what is said here.

[@Deeptunester]

It will always be the same if you sit around doing nothing to change yourself and expect everything to just "fall in place" for you. That's the true message.

[@geico105]

0:53 OH SHIT A WOMAN!!!

[@Erfierazgzb0ss4u]

least desperate kaiji fan

[@migissenpai]

This was a truly amazing speech, it's what pulled me into the show.

[@三色団子-n9s]

このセリフ、初めて聞いた時からずーーーっと頭の片隅にある

[@militairessansfrontieres2261]

KZbinで何度も見つけて何度も聞いてきたこのセリフ。聞くたびにグサグサ刺さるし、変わらなきゃと思うけど、寝て起きたらもう忘れてる。そして数ヶ月経過して、またおススメにこの動画が現れる。その繰り返し。一生変わらねーやw

[@jean94zoo]

UP I hope you changed my friend 😢❤

[@gerald1495]

Same

[@All_Powerful_God_Enel]

This is why this anime is so fucking amazing, even more so than the strategies.

[@xEvilboYx]

This scene makes me wanna re-watch the whole anime.

[@LinkEX]

Even more than that however, shouldn't it make you _stop_ watching anime for now, and focus on building the path of the life you want?

[@DekuStickGamer]

@@LinkEX My real life hasn’t started yet.

[@communistcomputergod6449]

It’s been 6 years I hope you’ve rewatched it at least twice

[@nexugabino5359]

@@DekuStickGamer dude XD

[@SpencerLemay]

Makes me want to stop watching anime.

[@megugu2155]

i go back to this just in case i procrastinate for long periods of time again

[@hazan5135]

me either

[@FolstrimHori]

This scene alone puts Kaiji above copycats like Squidgame.

[@shandrexler1]

ya squidgame copy or inspired from movie THE SAW

[@白豚-y1x]

​@@shandrexler1 少なくともイカゲームよりもカイジの方が古いです

[@__diosito__]

Squid Game is good, though

[@w.w8525]

Tonegawa has just changed my damn life

[@tomdekler9280]

No he hasn't.

[@comcom5869]

今まで生きてきた全てが本物。いいねー

[@ゆるいぬチャンネル]

全くの戯れ言 今まで生きてきた全てが本物だなんてあり得ない

[@じょえさん]

@@ゆるいぬチャンネル そうかね。 どんな成功者も成功するまでそこら辺にいるような人間と大差ない生活をしたことが少なからずあると思うぞ。 人なんてそんなもんだろ。しょうもないような経験が人を作るんだ。 君が何を本物じゃないといってるのかはわからないが、それすらも本物を構成している理由じゃないか？

[@火神-f1g]

@@ゆるいぬチャンネル 今までの人生は偽物だったのか？

[@oldgrub]

faxxx

[@TrainingEverydayUntilIDie]

This speech is just excellent.

[@henryng4074]

Some wisdom, Reality is brutal but brilliant The world has no equal.

[@christianlacroix4]

None exageration, this speech is the best I've ever had from any media, so cruel, realistic and useful.

[@onoff-t4l]

仮に生きて仮に死ぬことはないという言葉について、寝不足の日は1日を惰性で過ごしてまさに仮に生きるような状態だと思っていましたがこの考え方も興味深いです。

[@あほ拳コッチー]

一分一秒無駄にせず、本気で生きるぞ！と日々張り詰めて生きるのは疲れる。仮も何も人間そのものが無駄な事に拘る存在であり、仮に生きてると思えるような無駄や惰性も適度にあっての人生だよ。

[@野菜コーヒー]

一人でそれに気付くのは難しいよなあ....

[@aasaas123123]

Normally, those people would never wake up from their fantasy worlds. They live meaningless lives. They waste their precious days over nothing. No matter how old they get, they'll continue to say, "My real life hasn't started yet. The real me is still asleep, so that's why my life is such garbage." They continue to tell themselves that. And they age. Then die. And on their deathbeds, they will finally realize: the life they lived was the real thing. People don't live provisional lives, nor do they die provisional deaths. That's a simple fact! The problem... is whether they realize that simple fact. This scene changed my life

[@Madhawk1995]

it was the original reason I quit playing games, started yoga + cross fit, studying hard in college, started NoFap, decided to get into stocks and business. I relapsed life happened clearly cross fit and injuries are synonymous. 5 years later, life happens I am here now. I am awake. The best I can do is aim for growth everyday. The time I spend depressed will not lead to growth. Be aligned with your purpose and work towards building skills. Sacrifice is needed. I have not found a way around that rule. Do not deny sleep, your family relationships, and your work. The rest isn't truly needed for your growth.

[@yvesarakawagames]

@Madhawk1995 I admire your mental strength. I was just thinking: how does one live a meaningful life? Working your ass off for money isn't so meaningful either. Lazing around isn't either. Building an empire just so you do not need to work and can laze around? That's just another excuse to laze around. What's so meaningful? Following your goals sounds good, and you will have purpose, but you will have to make up new goals as you go and some might have only meaning to you but be completely meaningless to others and humanity. I got a bit lost here... learning is surely a great goal. Always learning, trying something new. But what else is so "meaningful"? Even money only has meaning in our heads.

[@Diabl0Mask]

@@yvesarakawagames I think the ultimate goal should be to not have any regrets when you get old, so you can die happy without worrying about what you did or didn't do in your life. If you can afford to laze around then by all means, but it shouldn't be at the expense of your future.

[@yvesarakawagames]

@@Diabl0Mask I am not sure. What if a person with no conscience has no regrets when they grow old? Now I think it might be better to think more as a collective human race... and to think of others more, humans as well as animals, nature. Some people have no actual money-earning jobs but do a lot for humanity. Others die and only years later the books they have written have a huge positive impact on humanity. They might have been "losers" when they lived but they did everything they could to lead humanity to a better future. Maybe they also lazed around too but it's definitely better than dying in a war that you personally do not believe in or acting without integrity in daily life. But thanks for the input.

[@f.boogaloospook2318]

@@yvesarakawagames Wow best discussion in youtube i learned a lot from you guys

[@標のNEO]

いろんな人間を見てきたからこそ言える言葉、結論、核心

[@davidbutterstein4616]

Theres nothing demotivating about this? Lol what. This line is the whole purpose of this show and some of the most valuable advice you'll ever hear

[@Frost-E]

That's why it was in brackets. It's motivational for most, but for some it can be detrimental. Eg those who are coping and are too far gone. It might break them when they realise they can't do a thing about their own lives for a variety of reasons, like age or disability. Unlike most motivational speeches where there's no sense of despair or sadness, this goes both ways, another reason it's so good.

[@TheLastStand001]

owned

[@williamwoolf8072]

@@Frost-E no, its only too late for people in their 50's

[@Tarik360]

This speech got me off my ass to get my driver's licence.

[@chrhdash]

good on you man

[@mac081793]

hell yeah

[@大野誠-l2p]

You can do it :)

[@Tarik360]

@@大野誠-l2p Thank you and so can you random person on the internet!

[@someguywithabirdface2583]

You're a champ

[@渡辺哲也-x3t]

アカギは真剣になりすぎて命までかけてるからな…

[@いいよ-h8p]

アカギなら多分走って渡る

[@あほ拳コッチー]

カイジは真剣すぎて耳まで切り落としてるけどな。

[@tetukontyu11]

若い頃の鷲巣なら誰も思いつかない様な力業で渡りそう

[@bakedalaska7724]

両さんなら往復する。

[@アグニ会]

@@bakedalaska7724両さんならそれだけにとどまらず、挙げ句の果てになぜか帝愛のNo.2、もしくは帝愛そのものを乗っ取って、そして最後はまた調子に乗って帝愛丸ごと道連れにして無一文になりそう。

[@GG-py9fe]

Life changing.

[@99jean88]

0:54- Poor figurant, he failed to date female Kaiji

[@Sry342]

She reminds me more of a female Ichijou! 😂

[@redline841]

@@Sry342 Femboy Ichijou Femboy Ichijou

[@atsushifukasawa1699]

身に沁みる言葉だ

[@三田村友幸]

自分への戒めで 何回このシーン見たことか😅

[@peshemak7]

10+

[@harmhoeks5996]

Did something change? Did you start your real life?

[@IsThatWhichIs]

He's referencing Jung and the Puer Aeternus with the "Provisional lives" line.

[@averageenjoyer147]

Hes right you know

[@gerald1495]

it's over.

[@zesork5627]

Kino...

[@user-s45c]

テスト前にこれを聞いてる自分

[@DarkHarpuia]

I sure know a lot of people who need to fucking hear this.

[@agfasdfjkgf2198]

tonegawa may be a terrible person, but he spits straight facts

[@megamanx1291]

Lord jesus who is hyped for the tonegawa series!?

[@tushargahlaut5812]

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@fl9pper]

Did I miss something?! Edit: OOOMMMGG!!

[@arkamukherjee457]

We are not getting the old Voice Actor back though :/

[@megamanx1291]

Arka Mukherjee Not too worried about that, madhouse carefully thinks about fitting voice actors

[@AraAra-pw7tl]

Perfect narrator

[@mangosramone]

歳を取るほどグサグサ刺さる…😅利根川先生😭

[@DenerWitt]

geez, no need to throw so much truth in my life like that

[@ni3kyYT]

This is the scene that got me into kaiji

[@BelodyEpic]

Damn Tonegawa why you gotta do me like that? :(

[@ヤリリトマネン-t6k]

カイジは悪役の方がまともな事を言っている。

[@筋肉侍-u7w]

そこがカイジの面白味だよな。

[@俺は天才アミバ様]

正しいと分かっていても、普通は受け入れ難いよな だからこそ主人公ではなく悪役に言わせてるのかも

[@miyakosu7931]

作者も言ってるけどまともな事ではなくまとも風な事だぞ

[@zbf85297b]

カネは...人命より重い！！！

[@別部穢麻呂-u6i]

@@miyakosu7931 原作トネガワは普通に鬼畜で詭弁ばっかりだからな

[@sasara875783]

利根川先生がまさかの笑ってはいけないの刺客(内容からスピンオフの方)

[@ponternal]

This is your life and its ending on moment at a time

[@phantomswordorpoo]

I feel like he's mocking us

[@rakhshas6727]

In the end, he never put his own wisdom into practice.

[@lapotato9140]

Rakhshas ... no? He may have done lot to kaiji, but he held on to that L. For about 12 seconds of voluntarily burning himself on the plate. He was completely serious about everything he's said and done and he has the balls to prove it.

[@sapphyrus]

Exactly, he was also one of the two people who won that Bog machine.

[@osardoublex5105]

Actually they manipulated it I think

[@crawfy48]

Yes, they manipulated it because they were serious and didn't rely on chance.

[@dukkemonterier3429]

Last week episode of his spin off tells the history of the bog...

[@ふみうつ]

真剣に勝負することができない、だからインチキした利根川は最後カイジに負けたのか

[@グレミィ]

結局ブーメラン気味なのが真骨頂のような気がする

[@버튜버봄-s9e]

stop hitting me with real life experiences plz me git gut

[@kataokaakinori]

利根川の声、両方好き

[@piratesephiroth]

awesome

[@yassinelbelghiti4128]

My real life didn't start yet 😅

[@bernadetteobaglietto5923]

Funny how this guy is also the guy who had problems remembering his subordinates' names lol

[@stevenshoemaker1618]

Funny how the speech about not wasting your life comes from a glorified yesman

[@makishimashogo2164]

Steve Shoemaker I bet he still got everything he ever wanted

[@banya99]

He's only a yesman for hyodo tho

[@ankihansen2489]

If he got everything he wanted, then he spent his time wisely. ☺️

[@93Souleater]

I know, what a fucking loser

[@carlosortegaart]

yes but he gets his face fried off

[@LeoDoNowAll]

A Tonegawa spin off anime i'ts comming this year!!!!!!

[@Ree1981]

WHAT

[@HikariKunkawaii]

Ree1981 Ree838383 episode 2 is out

[@metaknight8846]

god stop exposing me

[@サウを]

「本物の人生」言うが利根川さん、あんた焼き土下座をその身で浴びるまで楽観しすぎたんとちゃう？

[@あほ拳コッチー]

利根川も班長も勝つ仕組みの元で余裕かましてただけで、カイジとの対戦でイカサマを看破された時は、いきなりサバンナに裸で放り出されたような感じだっただろうな。

[@しょうま-t3n]

@@あほ拳コッチー fpsチーターが透視チート引っ剥がされたときみたいで草

[@ツカボーイ]

いつか本気を出せば... 甘い考えだってよくわかる。

[@hamed3423]

So many ppl live in a dream like state.

[@sangbum60090]

"No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one’s existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone.” - Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness

[@azu2463]

こういう人達がリアルに沢山いるんだから怖い

[@弾球目次録]

利根川はこの声じゃなきゃあかん

[@田中-y9d5w]

そうだよな、中間管理職利根川のあのナレーションはなんだ？！台無しにしやがる

[@弾球目次録]

@@田中-y9d5w 悲しいなぁ

[@やすお-s8r]

中間管理職からこっちに飛ばされると落差やばいわｗ

[@007kitta3]

白竜さんは滑舌があまりよくないけど利根川はこの声じゃなくちゃね！

[@yY-fv8hj]

まさに老獪

[@葵三代]

そこにナレーター立木文彦を加えたっていい。あいつらのいる『利根川』を俺は見たいんだ。

[@SF-br1jv]

白竜やったんか

[@ちんちんさくら]

利根川の声優二人を愚弄する言葉なんだよなぁ

[@bashzz38]

@@ちんちんさくら 白竜の利根川以外ゴミやん

[@captain9018]

めちゃくちゃいい事言ってる。

[@あほ拳コッチー]

彼の言ってる事は、あくまでいい事風の事だからね。そうした前提で受け止めないと、作中の債務者達の如く、誰かに良い様に利用される弱者にすぎませんよ。

[@たいたいチャンネル-g3u]

これを見ながら無駄な時間を過ごしている。

[@太陽は英語で-s4b]

怠惰ですねぇ？

[@あほ拳コッチー]

限りある人生だが、一分一秒無駄にせず有意義に使う事に拘り過ぎると生きることが苦痛になる。大体人間自身が無駄な存在であり、無駄も適度にあっての人生だ。

[@ヤマロ-r6y]

人生突き詰めれば無意味で無駄

[@lawrenceescobido927]

Fun Fact: Tonegawa is Right! That would be a Shame on your life if you dont have Meaning in your life.

[@phlaryx7145]

Fail to prepare. Prepare to fail.

[@zawarudo6660]

tonegawa was one of the only 3 people ever to beat the devil pachinko machine,,his portrait was hanging alongside hyodou's,when kaiji played

[@luxwx]

I thought that was rigged

[@gerald1495]

@@luxwx it was

[@LucyKosaki]

You can see him achieving this in the Middle Manager Tonegawa spin off anime. It was incredibly rigged and Ichijou was really badly faking being surprised and scared that the casino is loosing. Safe to say something similar probably happened with Hyoudo initially. Kaiji is the only one who actually managed to beat it through insane planning and outsmarting the casino.

[@LinkEX]

For those unaware, there's recently been a series released about this guy: *Mr. Tonegawa: Middle Management Blues* Here's a decent review on the kind of content you can expect from it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6C8cq2fh86Xh7M In a way, it's similar to Kaiji regarding it's overly serious and straightforward tone.

[@johnkorn3944]

What are you talking about? It's more of a comedy than anything.

[@nautilus2612]

There il nothing serious about the spinoff

[@LinkEX]

@@nautilus2612, ​ John Korn You two are right, I might have phrased that poorly. Tthe show itself doesn't feel serious, and is more of a comedy. What I meant wasn't the show itself, but the way the characters act - which does create the cartoonish tone. Kaiji did have that over-the-top commentary from the narrator as well, but the ham-fisted delivery still managed to keep the tension sometimes due to the severity of the situation.

[@わんぱく-m8g]

このシーンが1番ささった

[@小鹿野雄一]

強くて厳しく言ってくれるうちが華だゾ✋

[@Roberto-dw5jz]

In my opinion, this is best Gambling Anime than Kakegurui

[@manhcuong3035]

Heck yes, even though this anime is gold i think only a minor audiences find it entertaining.

[@mstd34]

@@manhcuong3035 in Japan, Kaiji is the most popular and famous Gambling Anime. Especially Men love this

[@archravenineteenseventeen]

Lol that thing is for waifus waifus and more waifus

[@1108penguin]

自分の人生の本番はまだ先なんだ "My real life hasn't started yet."

[@Someone111ify]

Since there was no "true life".

[@nang88]

🔥

[@みつふじ-n2c]

それをわかってても真剣になれないのは10代でやることやってなかったツケと性格がでてしまってるんだよなぁ、、

[@あほ拳コッチー]

「本物の人生」「真剣になれない病気」とそんな事を言ってる利根川自身が、勝つ仕組みに乗っかって安楽をむさぼってた驕りゆえに、やることをやってなかったツケと性格が数時間後に焼け土下座を喰らったと言う形で出てしまったんじゃないんですか？

[@みつふじ-n2c]

現実では焼き土下座なんてやったら慰謝料もんだけどな

[@9VK7]

Is Tonegawa's VA here different from the spin-off?

[@SamuraiKai]

Damn

[@usurper1091]

Did u watcg this anime

[@theaveragenobody]

MUMMMMY!!!!!!!!!!! why does this hurt?

[@herbbirb3766]

Nah, I'll do it tomorrow

[@jean94zoo]

4 months passed since your comment, now are you still asleep? This is tragic 😔

[@LuxCirilo]

Holy God

[@Muusoc999]

otakus in a nutshell

[@ああ-p8r3w]

この素の感じがたまらん、演技感のない声色

[@cc-pu5ok]

こんなこと言っておきながらこっそり電流切ってるの草

[@もぐら臭ぇベイブレード]

こん時はまだ切ってない。佐原、カイジ、石田さんの三人になった時にこっそり切った

[@THECHAOSEMPEROR]

So what`s the solution? How do you break the cycle?

[@animegx45]

Start your life now. Whatever it may be.

[@thousandyoung]

Stop working for Corpos lol.

[@hevetre3303]

Taking action and stop living your life passively

[@あきお-g9u]

You need to watch this speech by Tonegawa. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5DEapmfhc5gbdEsi=wt-HauZm2cKRQw9Q

[@あきお-g9u]

You need to watch this speech by Tonegawa. https:　　//　　kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWrLY5SKgtl-q5Ysi=0A3n2-GuvCzrrLQz

[@gaiusmarius8628]

この夜焼き土下座すると考えると面白い😂

[@hujikiryuu9664]

まあそういう人間がいるから 勝てるんけよ

[@ChiefWombatCuddler]

Idk Got the degree, had a job, then experience with said job, contract ended and now that I'm out of a job I'm not getting hired for the same wage anymore. What's worse is I budgeted and lived well within my salary's means, so it's not like I can just go and work for a lower wage. Almost feel like having some fun in Minecraft, I have enough money to survive for a few months instead of fizzling out, maybe I should just go out in style.

[@eduardobarboza9499]

You are full of garbage. I guarantee you barely tried to find this new job, and also doubt you are in so much debt that you can't afford to work at a lower income, which would be your own fault too if that really were the case(it isn't). You are probably just too full of yourself, but unfortunately(or fortunately?) the world demands that you adapt.

[@sirlimen333]

​@eduardobarboza9499 lol. This is coming from a dork in a YT comment section.

[@eduardobarboza9499]

@@sirlimen333 sorry my comment triggered your feefees, pussy. maybe look the other way next time.

[@DEmONxFire]

الحوار هذا غير نظرتي للحياة

[@su-xo8io]

لا تؤمن إلا بالله

[@あきお-g9u]

俺もこんな病かもしれない

[@sirlimen333]

This has to be the most misunderstood scene in fiction.

[@gerald1495]

Elaborate please

[@kurumitaso_dayo]

一分一秒も無駄にできないんだって思う…

[@あほ拳コッチー]

借金抱えた債務者の共食いに必死になる様子を見てほくそ笑む利根川達に胸糞悪さを覚えながらパソコンの前で眺めている我々は、「俺は一分一秒も無題にしていない！」なんて大声で言えるだろうか？限りある人生、有意義にしようと拘り過ぎると人生が苦痛になる。大体人間そのものが無駄な存在であり、狭い世界で言うなら漫画や小説も広い世界で言う科学技術も無駄と思われる様な事をつきつめたからこそ発展したわけで、無駄も適度にあっての人生だよ。

[@田中裕司-w5e]

言ってることの内容は青春映画のクライマックスで主人公が言いそうなことなのにｗｗ

[@藤原文太-m5p]

中間管理職見てからこれ見ると声違いすぎて違和感しかない‥

[@rochops9834]

hey you are not allowed to say things that hurt me

[@daldalshi_voice]

この言葉に何だかんだ説得力がないのは 老いて死ぬ ということ そんな生き方をしても老いて死ぬまで生きられてしまう それならそれで良いじゃないかと思う 本当はもっと惨めにのたれ死ぬのに いや、日本では何だかんだ生きられてしまう

[@あほ拳コッチー]

マジになれるほど　若くもないんでね

[@communistcomputergod6449]

0:53 a woman?! In Kaiji?!!! I thought they’ve all gone.

[@9VK7]

Plot twist: that's just Kaiji in drag Or Ichijou lol

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

In this thread: sigma males forget that there’s 168 hours in a week and an anime episode is around 23 minutes.

[@humanss3]

lol

[@アイウエーー]

持ってる側の言葉だな

[@吉田修樹-s5v]

1:00 病室で医者に看取られながら死んでるから、まだ勝ち組な方じゃないかと。 ガチの負け組は、誰にも気にかけてもらえずに路上で野たれ死んでる。

[@themightychondria]

In japan?

[@Sry342]

(De)motivational 😂

[@テスト-k5p]

正論だな。むしろそんな屑達に金を得るチャンスを与えてる帝愛は感謝されるべきと思えてくる。

[@ガーベラ-k8u]

金が必要になったのは帝愛のせいだけどね

[@tinnshokutuu]

@@ガーベラ-k8u 最初からかかわらなければいいこと カイジは保証人になったからだけど、まぁ知らなかったですまされないのが現実

[@ガーベラ-k8u]

@@tinnshokutuu 暴利なんだよなぁ

[@tatshi1080]

@@ガーベラ-k8u その暴利も納得済みで契約してるらしいよ

[@あほ拳コッチー]

利根川の言ってる事はカルト宗教家や詐欺師が良く使う2パーセントの嘘を巧妙に隠す98％の正論って奴だな。どんなに正論ぽい事を抜かそうと、カイジが希望の船編の最後に言った。借金抱えた屑共の共食いし合うシステムを作り、屑共がもがき苦しむ様子を見て、安全な位置でほくそ笑んでるゲス野郎の一人に過ぎない。この時の「もう金は要らないから助けてくれ」と泣き叫んで命乞いをする参加者を「奴らは真剣になれん病気だ！だから俺はお前らを生まれ変わらせてやってるんだ」と嘲笑い自身を正当化までする姿は、スピンオフの彼の姿すら吹き飛ぶほどゲス野郎で、カイジの怒りに共感できた分、焼き土下座を喰らった時は冷たく「いい気味だ！」と思ってしまった。

[@gerald1495]

brutal

[@あほ拳コッチー]

0:04　勝つ仕組みに乗っかって余裕こいてた驕りを突かれて、最終的にすべてを失って廃人になったあなたこそ真剣になれない病気でしたね。