The Problem with FRFR Cabs...

[@carmelotorres3234]

Really digging these daily vids! Good playing, hot takes and some great knowledge Thanks HW! It helps me make my decision when it comes to modeling etc. Love the Guitar Friends podcast too !

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Appreciate you watching!

[@virtualb01]

Love your videos. Found your channel last week after getting back into guitar after 25 years or so. Digital just seems to make so much more sense…entire world is digital and streaming now.

[@ToneJunkieTV]

@@virtualb01 Bro that’s awesome and very encouraging! Rock on!

[@josephngwaka7913]

Of recent, i started watching your vids daily. While at work, I can listen to you talking about guitars and amps and..., without the need of grabbing a guitar. I just work, while listening, and I learn a lot.

[@caileanhunt8679]

So many good points in this video. Especially the proximity of the speaker to your ears. I think a lot of guitarists are realising how important the right cab and speaker are when searching for a sound.

[@misterknightowlandco]

About time 😂😂😂

[@guitarman5560]

I have a pair of Fender FR-12'a in stereo with my FM9 and I love them.

[@angrybuzzy]

Sweet! Bathing in stereo guitar goodness.

[@brianmiller3287]

Love mine also!!!

[@MountainLionessMusic]

Thanks for the master class. A lot of great information. Your jokes had me.

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@MRxr400]

From a sound engineer's point of view, and a guitarist, i got so many abusing me, or trying to, for stating frfr is false. But, they can be a very nicely tuned speaker, but not flat. so when you make up your tone at home using an frfr, it doesn't necessarily will sound the same through a PA. Anyway, totally agree with you mate. each speaker system is tuned differently each room, oh, you just mentioned that too. well done

[@Hiline1970]

Fender FRFR 12 with generic monitors and the UA amp pedals do it for me. They nail the sounds that I heard on the records that I listen to. The in the room thing is real. You nailed it. At low to medium volumes they win. Loud stage volume...break out the tubes or not. LOL

[@Pdbottleneck]

This is where I’m at right now. I tried my first UA amp pedal like 4 months ago and now I have 3 of them plus the max compressor. Lion, Enigmatic, and Dream Edit: with the 12” fender frfr

[@StratsRUs]

I use a single Yamaha HS8 at home with my Helix and I love it.I'd like to buy an FRFR that gives me a similar, pleasing sound.

[@scottbecker3485]

Once again, listening to your well-informed musings has been enriching and entertaining. Thanks for sharing your acumen, experience and humanity! As for FRFR, you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. I have been a PA guy (vocals and acoustic) for decades, performing with a large number of speaker systems, and all of them color sound (of course). Heck, I even have to pick my vocal mic for any given show depending on the speaker I‘m taking along. Makes a HUGE difference how they work together. So it makes sense the FRFR is subject to the same laws. That said, I‘ve been eyeing a Tone Master FR10 for a while…and I think you might have convinced me to get the ToneX Cab, instead….or to even forego both and instead just grab a real amp, as in the Fender 68 Pro Reverb. 😎 Can I justify having one? Nope. Would never play out with it. But man, I would love that feel… (said the guy who owned his last real amp about 20 years ago 😂).

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Thanks dude!

[@brianmiller3287]

@scottbecker. I haven't tried the tone cab, but I LOVE my FR-12!!! Cheers!

[@austinrx2014]

The Miata tangent had me rolling 😂 but I think I have dad-blues now fr…fr.

[@joejustjoe3926]

After chasing tone in the modeler world (keeper profiler) I have decided to keep it simple. My KRK Rokit 8’s sound great for recording/composing. My QSC 12.2 works for some applications. The ear fatigue is gnarly. Even Kemper suggested not using certain preamps, including the one that totally hits the sweet spot in my room. Fryette power station 200 with my 2x12 cab. Stick a fork in me, I’m done. It really lets me dial in my tone-especially with MB profiles… Bravo Fryette!

[@misterknightowlandco]

If you’re just a hobby player like me, (which according to market research is 90% of us) just buy an amp you like that’s the appropriate size for your living situation with a few pedals and call it a day. A fender Princeton (the cool one with the 12 inch speaker of course) with a few dirt boxes is all most of us need. Once in awhile when the Mrs is gone or your friends are jamming in the garage you can crank up the clean channel and get the dirt without the box and enjoy it. Boom done end of shopping. The problem is most of us, myself included, are dreamers and like to shop 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Winstonrodney6989]

The musical instrument industry relies on us dreamers to stay in business 😂

[@algorithm007ify]

or just buy a Kemper and Kemper Kone...

[@misterknightowlandco]

@@algorithm007ify what are you going to profile on that kemper with already having the real amp?

[@JeremyAndersonBoise]

I personally can’t live without an effects loop, but I agree otherwise. (Cough cough HX Stomp)

[@joshigh]

Hey buddy, keep your truth and reality to yourself please? 😂

[@danbaron2561]

Very good! I subscribed!! It is great to listen to a smart guy who has significant knowledge!!! 🙂 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Appreciate it! Glad you’re enjoying the channel.

[@SingleCoilVoodoo]

I love these thought provoking videos 🙏🏼

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Thanks for the support!!

[@bobrg1459]

I use 10 inch Friedman FRFR with my Helix to set presets so they will sound similar the PA system (when flat) at my church. It works.

[@MyOtherNick]

I moved from a Line6 Helix/dual powercab setup to a kemper, but I kept both the powercabs.. the ideal thing!!!

[@richo144]

Do you use frfr or speaker mode?

[@MyOtherNick]

@@richo144 I use the FRFR mode.. cab models and IRs are set in the helix.

[@JeremyAndersonBoise]

I am a childless adult who plays sad dad blues. They go deep, brother.

[@Kevin_Fallin]

Dang HW! That got real personal real quick. Sorry about your Miata 😂

[@DigitalChemistryBand]

FTR... I have ALWAYS used a 2x12 or 4x12 with a power amp and processor... Right now my fave is Helix / 250x2 / 2 Lopo vert slant 2x12 w gm1275 and sheffield... tune the master eq to the cabs... rock and roll... doing this since 89'... USE YOUR EARS

[@toledo2983]

best video i have seen in a long time

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Thanks dude!!

[@mgdew]

HW, every time you say FRFR, I get Dr Harfarrrr vibes from the man with two brains, all we need is someone coming in saying “Miss errrmelmehey” now

[@madamkirk]

Sounds awesome 👌

[@bradatherton9369]

My problem with FRFR is why take an instrument and amp that never was supposed to be FRFR, put it through all kinds of processing, expand it to full range then chop it back down, then push it out a FRFR and expect it will sound anything like the original? Dead on arrival if you ask me. Quality-wise. But the convenience is oh so nice!

[@midnightwind8067]

I use a Roland cube 80 for my Kemper Stage. It’s clean and sounds excellent. It fills the reality of modeling in a real world.

[@wstn7938]

Do you prefer the tonex cab over the fender fr12?

[@1717jaydog]

He just did a video about the tonex cab a few days ago, and he said he preferred that one over the others including the Fender one.

[@wannerskog]

​@@1717jaydogcompletely unbiased

[@saltyassassin]

My Friedman ASC-12 FRFR is beyond amazing. You get what you pay for. I tried a Headrush, but it wasn't quiet there. So I use the HeadRush for my Synth now. The Friedman is so good, it sounds like an Amp in the room.

[@jlbaxe]

I had one when I had the axe Fx 3 and Helix. Great cab, tad heavy and I had to cut the bass to get it to sound more like an amp in the room. Also loud 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@guitar-21]

Thank you! I've been saying this for a while. Half the people that listen to our guitar tunes listen to them on their phones. And every PA system, pair of headphones, car audio, studio monitor is different. There's no such thing as a baseline or pure tone. FRFR is about providing a tone that's not specifically boosted or cut like a traditional guitar amplifier cabinet is so that you can simulate that boost and cut with your impulse response. Nothing more.

[@steveliberty]

Bluesbreakers: All Your Love defintely benefited from the distant miking. But Hideaway wounds bone dry to me. Still, mics are involved, and so your points are still valid.

[@schlemmie1]

How well will these cabs go into a usable feedback, compared to a guitaramp cabinet ?

[@Aletheia_Z]

Re: 23:35 Bitcoin was not around 06 (2006) it started in 2009 When people say "flat response" they actually mean "LINEAR" response, a sound system EQd flat sounds horrible but a sound system TUNED to be LINEAR sound great!

[@Taylor.B.Martin]

LOL, not even close.. but nice try explaining something you clearly misunderstand

[@Aletheia_Z]

@Taylor.B.Martin learn to READ and ask a sound tech what's "linear" so you can learn something! 😂 Oh and learn Bitcoin history too! 😂

[@h.o.2078]

@@Taylor.B.Martin dude, you're embarrassing yourself, he's right on both topics, ignorance is bliss right?

[@montyellingsworth4982]

I won a Line 6 pod express. If I use that to go direct into my DR.Z my best friend says it sounds digital... fake. Same pedal sounds very good directly through my interface with headphones and reasonably good through an old solid state amp. I suspect it would sound great through this ToneX cab. I really want to find out.

[@johnthiessen6749]

I have amps and also a Helix with the Line6 power cab. I’ve found that the Helix/power cab combo doesn’t sound like the in ears or a real amp unless it is turned up to a fairly loud volume. Just like a real amp, every KZbin video review of amps say they sound great at bedroom levels but it isn’t true. If you have it turned down with a master volume or attenuator you can’t hear all of the nuance of the different frequencies. So an amp doesn’t sound like itself unless you have it turned up loud enough for all of the frequencies to come out or for you to hear them however that works. Same with FRFR, if it’s quiet enough for your baby to be sleeping in the next room your perfect Hendrix tone won’t sound right. Put on some headphones and turn it up!

[@iromanovsky]

I like my amps tilted to ears. I can’t have as many amps in my room as i want. I have Laney FRFR and any IRs do not sound as good as any amp. It all sound artificial, bight and muddy at the same time. Looking for an option to get amp in the room sound from FRFR. I liked powerCab, but it farts on bass.

[@batworksstudios7069]

I have 2 Laney LFR112 FRFR, with my Quad Cortex, absolutely killer... I dont care if it sounds like a particular amp or pedal as long as it sounds good. I am getting some of the best sounds I have ever gotten.

[@rethinktone]

Hey tonejunkie. Huge fan. I was wondering if ylu can make a video of how close to the real thing running a poweramp into a real cab makes? I think youve touched on it before but never really had that set up. I know the kemper has has a built in one. But i find tonex is more accurate and am wondering how close to the real deal it is.

[@benrobinson3438]

I got the Line 6 Powercab+ for my Helix shortly after the first came out. It was ok and served a purpose at home, but the few times I gigged it, I wasn't happy with it. Imma get me a real amp again... some day....

[@BluesDocter]

For me the Powercab and similar options don't work. All those closed cabs have a narrow beam of sound. Went back to open back cabinets.

[@graemesdrumprogress189]

I've been binge-watching your videos. Excellent content !! But, somewhat related to this video, could you please do a video about how most sound systems at larger venues (and the associated sound person) are completely destroying the listening experience because of the use/abuse of subwoofers? Most musicians are afraid to address this subject because of either fear of being blackballed or they actually think subwoofers are a positive thing. I have a feeling you would gladly take on this topic with no fear.

[@graemesdrumprogress189]

I want to elaborate more. So when I go see Tony Levin play bass, I would love to hear the notes he's playing. Imagine that!!! I would LOVE to hear his note definition. But no, when I saw Beat several months ago, it was tough to pick out Tony's signature tone and spectacular playing. It was muffled. Was it because of his equipment and playing? NO !! It was because of the venue's sound system and/or the sound guy having ears that want to hear more sub in the sound or his ears are shot. Either way, I'm tired of paying good money to go see these shows and cannot hear the bass player, except for the wave-of-mush that's engulfing and destroying the sound of the other instruments, as well. By the way, I'm a huge bass guitar fan. I used to play in bands in Dallas, TX back in the 90s. I have seen countless shows over the past few decades, so I know a good sound or tone when I hear it. Hip-hop bass does NOT mix with rock, jazz, fusion, soul or even bluegrass, but the subs have been injected into all those genres the past couple of decades, much to our horror.

[@alexandergrunewald8752]

Good IRs are needed, strict low and high cut, and very good speakers.

[@michael.darrin1963]

Do you have any Nashville country presets for the Helix? you can find tons of rock/metal presets but if someone started getting great country presets out there, they could corner the marketplace.

[@U2WB]

I have a pair of 50W tube powered Atomic Reactor FRFR cabs, which I originally bought to use with my Axe-FX. When I bought a Tonex pedal I bought a pair of Headrush FRFR 108s but they can’t touch the Atomic cabs (though they are considerably easier to transport). Now I’m using a Kemper Profiler Player and have gone back to the Atomic cabs.

[@nah3193]

I think the ToneX speaker live mode is a decent solution. They may find a way to reverse engineer and compensate for the mic some day but also a close up condenser mic is hardly coloring the sound at all compared to something like a SM57 that is putting a massive filter over the entire signal.

[@schlemmie1]

Hi, when you were playing, did we hear the output of the modeler going straight to the audio interface, or the sound of the Tonex Cab picked up by a room mic ?

[@ToneJunkieTV]

For this video it was the direct sound from the Kemper. I'm listening to the cab in the room but you hearing only the direct audio.

[@schlemmie1]

@ have you compared the two sounds ? I mean, how is the direkt sound different from the cab sound ?

[@davidjoel111]

I owned a Kemper Kone, I liked it, but at home I prefer playing thru my monitors and live I just prefer an actual guitar cab if I'm not playing a silent stage. I dont get why we don't see powered guitar cabs.

[@JDStone20]

Great info. Either use your ear, or put a number on it. I would say using your ear would be for playing, and putting a number on it would be for the mixing/sound engineer/amp or speaker design. You don't have to be an expert in everything, especially if your goal is to play. For some reason we tend to think we need to know everything these days, when doing is just as or way more important. I general understanding of how things work is most likely what you need and desire. Information overload is not fun, and it is a hinderance in most cases

[@AntonioMartinez-nm9pk]

Aside from your excellent content, you are growing one epic beard. 👏

[@suavonman9539]

I agree with you. I have tube amps and digital devices. I’ve been doing a lot of test to emulate my tone in tube amps with my helix on my mixer with PA speakers…imposible. This kind of presets have a lot of filters that you don’t hear when you play an amp with a real cab. The tone is processed by IR and Mic emulations. I felt frustrared. It’s like you say. You are listening a tone directly from the cone of the speaker with a mic emulation to my ear…it is not the same…The only way i could feel the air, the nick, the punch in my chest, is only with presets with preamps, no full amp. Only preams directly to the power amp and real cab. No IR, no Mics. Just using my tube amps like power amp. So, may be the solution for player who wants to feel the air, the kick in the face would by using their digital devices with a power amp, could be pedal format like seymour duncan power stage or a tube power amp like KRS 50, or cheaper like HB, or Mooer…Just create a preset with only the section s of emulated preamps, with your power amp, and get a good 1x12 cab. I think this is by the moment the way to feel the nearest experiencie of playing a real amp in a rehearsal room. May be some day we have IRs that create this sound of cabs with no mics. Obiously, will be another filter, but near of the feeling playing a real amp in a room. Today I’ve been testing my 4x12 cabs. Very close to the cones…when i focused in the sound of the centre of the cone…It was good but when a focused my ears in the middle of my 4x12 cabs wow!!! the blend of hi and low frecuencys was amazing. I felt the low end, defined palmute, low mids, mids, hi frecuencys. A complete spectre was there, dancing with the air, with the room…and my head in the middle of 4x12 cab with V30 feeling all this power and beautiful mix. I suppose the technology is near to get something similar. Now I can see there are a lot of players, old school players that miss this feeling. But new players that only play with these kind of digital devices,helix, kemper, fractal, quad cortex….they can’t miss what they never heard.

[@algorithm007ify]

There is a lot of waffling on going on in these videos. I love it.

[@BillySoundFarm]

lol when I use an amp at home I usually have it pointed right at my head. Not for tone, just coincidentally the way that I sit on my couch and have the amp on my end table or something. It's mostly so I can reach the controls. I guess I've been doing it wrong.

[@BruceWillke]

“ i don’t care about your de-esser or rack outboard gear booooo” Lol😂

[@inspectorgadget6321]

I don't really know anything about modeling and digital stuff, but I have heard the Laney FrFr's are pretty nice. Gutherie Govan runs 2 of the 2x12's and they sound pretty good.

[@edwinstovall3334]

I think that the issue is one of perception -- of the purpose of the gear. When guitar amps first appeared, they were essentially PA systems dedicated to the guitar. All they were supposed to do was make the guitar sound louder -- that's it. UNTIL, of course, some guitar player got it in his head to want more and to try to get something more out of his amp, or had a happy accident, or what have you. Once that happens, you've just seen the beginning of the evolution of the guitar amp from single-user PA to the final part of a very extended musical system. Things rested there for a decade or two until digital technology could enter and disrupt things with decent-sounding modeling. Speaker modeling in particular decoupled the actual air-shakers (speakers and amplification) from the sound-makers (the modeler). Many of us home players use something like this, if I'm not wrong. For example, if I fired up my daily driver right now, I would plug my guitar into one or another of DigiTech's old-but-mighty RPx5x Series Modeling Guitar Processors fed into a used audio interface and heard through a set of also-used studio monitors. I've also experimented with bypassing the DigiTech's processing and using something like Neural Amp Modeler to get tones. I'm good there, myself -- but then I AM still the guy who's never owned or gotten used to a tube amp of any sort. The closest I've ever come is my Fender Performer 650 combo, which has one tube in a preamp section that feeds a solid state power amp section; yeah, it's a hybrid. I suppose I could count the two tubes in my old Zoom G9.2tt Guitar Effects Console, but frankly they amount to little more than a disappointing gimmick. The point is that I admit a great deal of ignorance. I could imagine, though, that those who are not ignorant may decide that gear intended to replicate music without coloring it (as PA and FRFR systems both are) is not adequate to their needs. They are, of course, correct; needs are subjective. I do find it a bit amusing, though, that the cycle seems to have moved past full circle, with guitar gear intended to be reproducers up music being asked to step up to being part of musical instruments. What comes next?

[@guitar-21]

Here here for Digitech! Though I currently use a Headrush Prime I still have my GNX4 from 2005

[@edwinstovall3334]

@guitar-21 That's another thing: Late last year, I bought a Donner Arena 2000 modeler for my birthday. It had been 10 years or more that I had updated my modeling technology and I was looking forward to an improvement in tones. That improvement was not as great as I'd hoped -- then I found out that, even though It was a hardware unit, it added latency to the system. I'm considering selling it on; it might serve well someone who needs a stage rig and who isn't looking to record with it. That's too bad, really -- it does have its strengths -- but ultimately I don't want to deal with the hassle.

[@yonedelcastillo4491]

I use the fx loop return of my line 6 catalyst with modelers. It sounds good to me.

[@RobbieNewberry]

I’ve been considering that set up myself. Do you turn your IRs off when doing so ?

[@yonedelcastillo4491]

@RobbieNewberry I don't. The catalyst is designed to be used that way.

[@RobbieNewberry]

@@yonedelcastillo4491 ok so the speaker is more of neutral character since you use your IRs? Good deal. Thanks for clarifying. Need to find one and test drive it .

[@yonedelcastillo4491]

@@RobbieNewberry you can download the Catalyst user manual and read it. They are cheap enough that you can buy two to have a stereo rig. Great practice amp to play at home.

[@nomad100hd]

My problem with FRFRs is that the mids aren't right, and the highs sound unnatural.

[@Thrive-Off-Grid]

What FRFR do you have? When it comes to size FRFR is no different than other speakers " no replacement for displacement"

[@alexandergrunewald8752]

For me best i found was : cutting steeply hart at 100 and 5000 -using good IRs like Vinai T IR or Selahsounds or drapsound -and using RCF ST 12 SMA ll.

[@easye9-21]

​@@Thrive-Off-GridAbsolutely.

[@area51audio]

Lol...for screwing off noodling and patio pickin I'm running toneX in a probably 10 yr old ipad (which i just added your purple plexi and trainwreck express models to..awesome, thanks) into a set of rather nice but inexpensive Dayton audio powered shelf speakers. Its inspiring to play, and that's the whole point...of ALL of it. And this is coming from a guy who has built, designed, repaired and modded tube amps since about 1996 😂

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Glad you're enjoying them!

[@ShimiHalperin]

I'd love to see survey results from your audience about living/practice situation. I'm in a small apartment with party walls on three sides. I love listening to you on this subject but it's for entertainment value only.

[@ToneJunkieTV]

I think a lot of players are in a similar situation where they went digital to avoid the decibels of an amp. Then some other go digital for the variety of captures and better live sound sent to the board etc or just price… it is a bit funny to take a silent solution, as many call them, and make it loud again. 😂 But I do know for people playing live a lot of time what keeps them away from digital is that they need some stage volume in many places. I’ll check if I can run a poll on KZbin

[@mr8ty8]

I have a tip. Buy two blackstar ID V3 and a morley ABY switch and two long jack cables and you good to go. In stereo at home

[@muzicman818]

DAD Blues Rock??? I have been playing blues guitar since the 80's. .I never heard of dad blues rock. Also, there isn't a specific "Blues" tone. It is the player who sets his/ her tone and plays Blues music..the Blues is the Blues, Texas, Delta, ect.....never heard of Dad blues. Blues can be complicated or simple..not just minor pentatonic. Now FRFR is new to me. Because I have started using a modler...thanks for the education on this. Very helpful.

[@leewhittube]

I have found (for me) that ANY FRFR needs a preamp to really sound best. I don't mean the preamp in our processors. The preamp in a good soundboard can be perfectly adequate for this. To me, any digital unit (and there are great ones available nowadays) going straight into a FRFR still sounds like playing through a transistor amp. A great preamp just makes all the difference in the world, and is what makes me not forget my modeling processor. YMMV

[@neilkorsgaard]

Hi Lee white! I would love learn more about. How to use a preamp between a processor (I have TONEX) and an FRFR. I have the Fender FR10. Would you be willing to tell me about this? Neil

[@leewhittube]

@ I have found that plugging directly into a FRFR just still ends up not sounding optimal. Just going into the board of a decent mixer helps. The better the preamp in the board, the more optimal the sound. Some boards allow plugins, like Neve, API, and such. Cutting lows at 80Hz or so, and cutting highs at 5-6kHz or so definitely gets you into the range of a typical guitar speaker much more so than without cuts. That preamp helps so much though. Takes the sterile quality out. It has been what has caused me to not give up on modeling units.

[@neilkorsgaard]

@@leewhittube Thank you Lee! Any particular example of mixer type? I see they range from $200 - 4K and higher. I appreciate you taking time to answer. I got my modeler because I couldn't find any good guitar tones through headphones. Now I have amazing tones in my headphones and want to get them out! LOL I have the Fender FRFR and it is close, but I feel like this might be what I need.

[@leewhittube]

@@neilkorsgaard I use several different options, depending on where I'm playing. Either the preamps built into the boards at studios, church board-with plugins (tube preamp plugin). or in my DAW, again, using plugins. Mainly Neve.

[@Matt_on_life]

Commenting early before listening. The Kemper Kone is really a lot better in an oversized 1x12 cab. I had sourmash build me a combo cab for my powered rack. It’s pretty sick actually…

[@ToneJunkieTV]

I believe it! I want to get some kemper kones in a larger more well built cab than the kemper kabs

[@jimmcdougall9973]

Best to me is a powered PA cab. It is after all what your modeller/profiler/whatever is designed to play through. Equates to the same as miking an amp up through a PA.

[@nickmellor344]

Great ramble-I see the pro-modelling crowd arguing that you just need to elevate your monitor to make it sound ‘right’ which always seemed absurd. So I’ve got to elevate an FRFR to make it sound like an amp on the floor? Right.

[@stephenpertesis6738]

most of the time your amp on the floor doesn’t sound how you think it does. You would get better results with your real amp by tilting it up as well. most people are surprised as to how different their tone actually sounds as opposed to years of playing how they thought it did. It’s usually got way more more high-end and upper mids than they realized.

[@nickmellor344]

@ I’m well aware that an amp sounds different according to where you stand in relationship to it on a 360 degree spectrum which in conjunction with proximity gives infinite ‘tones’ to the listener.

[@JeremyAndersonBoise]

3:45 “because there’s no such thing as flat, actually” - thank you from the bottom of my ears for that. ✅ The problem is the flawed perception of perfectly normal people.

[@samuelmartin117]

I thought my helix through a head rush was the most amazing tone ever. Until I got some high quality studio monitors and was like that, that's the sound I wanted. Now just have a full PA setup in house and like is it like as great tone as the monitors? No, but like it's a full band through PA setup in my house.

[@bradatherton9369]

1:30 “Listen to my friends and buy that Miata over Apple stock” 😂

[@robyates136]

But isn't the room coloration problem the same for any guitar amplifier? In the same way? I haven't looked at any FRFR as a magical "flat response in any room" the same way I've never done that with an amp. That's why we have sound guys that we honor and award with beer.

[@richo144]

Powercab 212 in frfr mode with a -6b for the twitter sounds great , but speaker mode (with a hot signal from the modeler and at high volume) sounds amazing and real amp like

[@ToneJunkieTV]

I’ve found that as well, Speaker mode is much more musical.

[@richo144]

​@@ToneJunkieTV the 212 is also a different beast than the 112, at high volumes sounds amazing, speaker mode with the right hi and low cut sounds almost identical to the real deal

[@arnyarny77]

I play thru frfr only im 54 yrs young😂 but i like frfr and want a barefaced frfr with celestion frfr. But i also will get back into amps because i beeb soldering as a hobby, pedals that is .im not that muvh of a tone. Chaser i just enjoy having fun with it all its very interesting

[@jimsimmons2674]

Should be FRVR=Full Range Variable Response!

[@veciroker]

Great video, so true!

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Thanks for watching!

[@bobgracia3318]

TJ got that Jerry Garcia vibe great playing

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Haha thanks dude!!

[@Guttalaser]

The sensation of "amp in the room" when you are using a modeler or a profiler.. is just that... a sensation "like" you are using an actual amp in your room. That's why i always use a 32 band eq before my FRFR cabs... and even that hated BBE with that strange mojo it does... until i reach THAT sensation ... if my goal is to play in my room and have fun... or get some inspiration. If (we will see... because the YT test and videos... helps nothing at all to know!) the Tonex Cab can helps to tweack the sound easily that way... so they are something.

[@montyellingsworth4982]

Yeah, I'm very much old enough to remember what opportunity's I missed. I play sad dad Blues as well but Also.. sad.. DAD BOD BLUES.

[@stephenpertesis6738]

actually, people 100% choose Mic pres for the most amount of transparency. There are reasons to do that. For this, If you want your curated guitar tones to translate as closely as possible from your studio environment to a live environment, then you should be using the most transparent playback systems possible. case in point, when I reference in my studio, it is a combination of a few studio monitors, a few PA speakers that give a good cross-section of what people mostly use, multiple headphones with & w/o multiple headphone corrections. For this sort of thing, you want your tones to translate to as many of those systems as possible. what you don’t want to do is then start introducing speakers for playback on a gig that drastically alter the sound. You want something straight down the middle. For example, QSCK 10 is a great choice. But, it does have more low-end than various EV 10s. but the variance between those is much less than Headrush FRFR, for example. both of those have less muffled high end than the head rush FRFR. in fact, the FRFR speakers that I have tried are SO drastically different in how they treat the sound over standard PA & studio monitors that I can’t see why anybody would want to buy any of these. Why would you create your tones to sound good only on that one FRFR knowing that it’s not going to sound anything like that FOH or on studio recordings? Or, why would you create your tones to work well across the board but then sound horribly different for you through FRFR on stage? if we are talking a real amp into a real cab with standard guitar speakers, the whole point of those standard guitar speakers and cabinet is to color the sound in a very unique way. But, we are not doing that here. The sounds we are curating have already been processed through that filter, those cabinets those microphones those speakers. don’t mess it up any further. Be smart about it. your whole thesis here is since it’s never going to be absolutely perfect then go out of your way to make sure you impose as much variance as possible. That is not logical and, I can’t take that as good advice.

[@stephenpertesis6738]

Plus you say you’re not a “fan of studio gear” and crap on it, yet you propose to create guitar tones that people use in engineered mixes? There’s no logic there whatsoever. it’s the same thing as saying “I don’t care about gear that helps guitars sound good in a mix.” so then what’s the point? Otherwise they’re just tones that people noodle around with by themselves.

[@7171jay]

PA speakers, even cheap crappy ones, may not be flat or clean but they are very flat frequency compared to a guitar speaker. By saying an FRFR speaker is "not flat" this video is far more confusing than helpful to people who don't understand sound and how it works.

[@onewiththings]

FRFR, the Miata in the room. Too funny!

[@Glorybound1313]

Why do I feel assaulted and yet nostalgic at your comments?

[@ToneJunkieTV]

😂

[@Homermad81]

Apple Stock...you had to bring it up. I wanted to buy Apple Stock back in 95 with my first job but wasnt old enough to open a brokerage account. Was told I was throwing my money away. The Dad Blues Rock is strong.

[@ToneJunkieTV]

The Dad Blues Rock is real.

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

I never understood the point of FRFR cabs unless one is using them to jam over backing tracks. A guitar speaker is the last piece of the EQ puzzle in guitar tone, it cuts the highs and lows and limits the guitar to the mid range, where it belongs.... FRFR gives players too much leeway to dial in bad sound.

[@DrRussPhd]

You said that "nothing is flat", my 7th grade girlfriend was . . . APPL is actually heading for the floor at the moment. Any modeler I've had always sounded best thru studio monitors. I've had Freidman ASM 12, Yamaha DBX 10, Kemper Kabs and currently own a Mission Gemini 2x12 stereo cab. My old 8" Tapco studio monitors sound better than anything. It is an imperfect world, innit?

[@fueymanchoo1291]

For me, it was discovering the different perspectives; meaning the location of the listener. Modelers don't sound like guitar amp. They sound like a studio control room with the amp in another room. Once I got that down, you do learn about how colored speakers really are. I have purchased several PA/FRFR cabinets and have liked zero of them. The "attack" seems to be missing in a PA speaker compared to a guitar speaker. For me, guitar amps give off a hard "P" or "K" on that attack and PA/RFRF tend to give more softer "B" or "PH" on the attack. Just my opinion of course. I ended up with a pair of Fender Acoustic guitar amps as my "FRFR" cabinets. Really transparent, the amplifier is designed to be clean and percussive for a guitar. This solved it for me.

[@solarpoint1]

Love my Friedman ASM-12✌️

[@wksnjes4100]

Lmao poor Phil catching strays online a decade later.

[@guitartoneSA]

On one of the dozens and dozens of ToneX cabinet videos that magically appeared on KZbin at the same time 😂 I commented just buy a QSC K12. I've played Kempers through most of the so called FRFR powered cabinets and the QSC blows them all away. IMO there was no point in releasing the Kemper kabinet or this ToneX cabinet...all you need is a Poweramp, besides shipping these Cabinet's/Kabinets internationally is too expensive. No PA system manufacturer has ever advertised their powered speakers as FRFR...that term was invented on The Gear Page about 15 years ago by the Fractal cult.

[@sTVG2]

Rack Gear is Stupid???? I'm OUT! lol jk

[@gregjandt2841]

Nice Tone Yeah SUHR

[@guitartoneSA]

Regarding amp in the room in 2025. Christophe Kemper sorted amp in the room out for a digital tone box 11 years ago when he put a Poweramp inside a Kemper...plug it into any cabinet or speaker and you have "amp in the room"...and no need to use the word FRFR...it's a frikken guitar speaker.

[@jimsimmons2674]

I have a FRFR speaker that i made with 2x8" Full Range Speakers and it sounds good better then Studio Monitors for my modelers but i got better tones from my Solid state And Tube Amps(Bugera 333)into my Marshall 1960a 4x12 Cab,i go into the Front Clean Channels or effect Return of these amps with Cab Sims and IRs turned Off in my Modelers.I would look in a different direction other then FRFR Powered Speakers,let me explain,I would like to see some company come out with a Special Designed Amp for Modelers that is not FRFR but a proper designed Guitar Speaker to sound good with Modelers with Cab Sims and IR's Turned Off,You could have A new kind of Speaker Modeling built in this amp to make it sound like a real Guitar Amp Speaker that pushes more air and simulates a variety of real speaker Cabs. I would have controls for Cabinet Resonance and Parametric EQ to fine tune your Cab tone,i would also add a selection of Power Amp Tube Modeling for different Tube types and Transformers!This may take a another read to sink in what i am saying here,if Designed right a product like this would be a Game Changer because you do not have to go through Hundreds of IR's trying to decide on the best ones to use plus a product like this would get you much closer to the sound of a real Tube Amp from your Modeler without using a FRFR Speaker!

[@rocknrollboise]

I'm not religious. I don't believe in any gods. I just like to listen to you talk.

[@tommedvedich]

Not a Mazda Miata my dude 😢

[@dananthony6258]

Just for the record Freddie Mercury was the greatest vocalist of all time , lol. I had a shoot at in my head one day and he won of all the greats pre Beatles to current day. If you don’t agree don’t tell the peanut gallery up in my head , I’ll never hear the end of it.

[@alnorman6846]

Most singers today are pitch corrected, and that colors the sound,

[@josephngwaka7913]

Guy... I like you. You know why??? You're real

[@Grizzlybooey]

Love the videos! Keep it up, , but you need to stop this sipping into the mic, wtf man

[@BluesDocter]

Saw a recent video of Joe Bonamassa live with guest Matteo Mancuso . More or less blown away by Matteo on a Line 6 Helix over the PA. The public didn't hear the difference about a load of expensive amps and a modeler 😜

[@angrybuzzy]

Great point.

[@quantumvox8424]

My problem with FRFR is that is not a real amp.

[@jettcalimyrna729]

Poor Ernie!

[@Eric-nn9xf]

You should absolutely point the guitar cabinet speaker at your head. Bad tone comes from not doing this, you can’t dial in what you can’t accurately hear. Your ears aren’t on your legs.

[@DocMartin3]

So basically it’s all relative

[@ToneJunkieTV]

Haha… that that’s probably the TLDR

[@Winstonrodney6989]

I thought it meant For Real,For Real 😅