Tony Dungy was sad to see Gruden win a SB with the team he constructed | EPISODE 14 | CLUB SHAY SHAY

[@ClubShayShay]

Would you have felt the same way as Dungy?

[@jeremyeaglesmelendez]

Ofc. But tbh I only responded cus I’m first I didn’t even watch it yet lmao

[@adrianostafford8240]

Yes. And you know why.

[@positiveinfluence4647]

Absolutely, I was upset also when it happened. It was bittersweet because the defense got to celebrate their excellence but coach Dungy was missing.

[@SetsunaFSeiei-qy6kg]

IN THE WORDS OF SCARFACE "WHO PUT THIS F#

[@gerardparker4220]

Yes I always felt that way. Glad to hear Tony admit to it.

[@emery2310]

Dungy is a Class Act. Fans should look at his coaching tree. 💪🏾

[@KSU-ce2uc]

Which evolved from Marty Schottenheimer.

[@lamontmcfadden6642]

Yeah but marty never won a super bowl Dungy is a great coach and his coaching 🌴 is amazing

[@mcsuchnsuch]

Great coach and seems like a great person. I still prefer Bill Walsh’s coaching tree though.

[@AHMAD-2324]

@@mcsuchnsuch Bill Walsh is the Greatest HC of All-time IMO.

[@mcsuchnsuch]

@@AHMAD-2324 no doubt.

[@SupermanHopkins]

Jon Gruden won Tony Dungy's Super Bowl, and has made a king's ransom based off of that one title.

[@25nahshon]

That's a false statement. He got the king's ransom because Gruden's Raiders team was in that same Superbowl

[@crharper25]

Facts...you see he aint won shid else since then.

[@coachwane]

@@25nahshon uhmm that a fair point

[@sharifs649]

@@coachwane facts

[@thevizkid]

and what has he done lately!

[@angeloiodice9304]

Tony is a great, great, great coach and just a wonderful, kind, compassionate human being. An amazing ego-less human being and so pleasant to be around him.

[@PurebreedFLA]

As a Bucs fan, that SB was bittersweet. They did Dungy wrong and we all knew whose team that was.

[@brettt141]

Yup and Dungy couldn't even get them past the wild card. Dungy built the team but Gruden made them champions

[@tevincollins2869]

Brett T not hard when the work is done

[@brettt141]

@@tevincollins2869 was hard for dungy as he got bounced in the Wild Card

[@Sololife1Deep]

@@brettt141 And Coach Dungy then went on to win a Super Bowl with a completely different team and Gruden did what after winning with the team he inherited from him? Absolutely nothing! he's currently stealing money from the Raiders, a team that was stupid enough to give him a $100 million dollar contract...he's gone 4-12, 7-9, and 8-8 in his first 3 seasons... anything else you wanna add to this?

[@tampaboyjames813]

@@Sololife1Deep exactly

[@c.chavis6314]

Gruden knew all the Raider’s plays as their former coach in that Superbowl with the Bucs which helped tremendously.

[@tevincollins2869]

Helped them more than that try 90%

[@thevizkid]

exactly! he knew rich Gannon like a book!

[@felix3033]

That’s why Gruden is the most overrated coach

[@MatsThyWit]

And that's the reason they won the Superbowl that year and then never won with Gruden after that. He had a good solid playoff run but it was Dungy's defense that won those games. He just looked like a genius because in that Superbowl he was facing a quarterback he developed running, a playbook that he created, coaching gainst the offensive coordinator he hired. Nobody could have lost with the hand Gruden was dealt that year.

[@c.chavis6314]

@Daniel Le A good "what if" question, but we are talking about the reality of Gruden coaching the Bucs.

[@juiceplanet147]

In the media gave Gruden goat status. After 1 SB then Jon went MIA

[@jmad627]

Who gave Gruden "goat status"? I never heard or read anything about that.

[@kemosabeusmc]

@@jmad627 he's a "qb guru" now

[@nazinas21]

@@kemosabeusmc Well he did have Carr in top 10 stats this season with no true #1. I don’t understand the hate towards Gruden

[@championsofados4717]

@@kemosabeusmc how, he never had a goddamm qb when he coached,

[@at2130]

We all know why

[@MrEOM41]

Man those late 90s Bucs Defenses were stackeddd.

[@lastpme]

I love hearing people’s stories...life is a journey and success does not happen overnight.

[@kodywoah6762]

Same thing that happened to Marc Jackson 🤔

[@Eb-dw3tq]

Facts!!!

[@juiceplanet147]

Dwane Casey too.

[@victorpetrescu6586]

Marc Jackson had them last in passing his last year, running a slower paced offense, and putting them in worse spots than Kerr. Let's not pretend they would have won if he remained coach.

[@albertbier3573]

No just stop, Kerr revamped that offense and made them a great team defense.

[@VolcardoReviewer]

@Gregory Bullock Said no one ever.

[@gerardparker4220]

Greatest coach in Bucs history.

[@CoachatCole]

Architect of the modern Bucs.

[@herecomesdatrain]

@@CoachatCole those hall of famers on defense thanks dungy

[@shagsmith3410]

You clearly don't remember Sam Wyche.

[@CoachatCole]

@@shagsmith3410 Nah Richard Williamson

[@captaincc2735]

We all have sports moments that we feel we are part of. One of mine was living in Tampa and being a fan of the bucs during this time. It was sad that dungy was not the coach. We also got to see this same bucs team fall apart in the last 4 minutes in a game against Indianapolis, they were never the same from that point on under Gruden.

[@chosen1426]

Sums up American History 🤔

[@cbanks1980]

Of course

[@ImGayWhenISayThisBut]

What? Blacks couldn’t get the job done so they bring in the white man to complete it with the same resources?

[@vanderbotschregal9956]

@@ImGayWhenISayThisButyes that's what it is

[@clinteastwood6875]

The fact this has 33 thumbs up is sad. Professional victim mentality

[@upt123]

What the Bucs ownership did was despicable. They were trash before Dungy, then got that close and quit on him, shameful. Gruden owes this man a great debt of gratitude - just like Barry Switzer and George Seifert owe their predecessors.

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

Everybody knows Tony Dungy built that team

[@candlercando]

Gruden knew it too.

[@herecomesdatrain]

@@candlercando just like steve Kerr of the NBA knew mark jackson built the golden state warriors

[@jessesalazar6774]

@@herecomesdatrain Grudens situation is a bit different because he played against the team he constructed in the super bowl so if you look at it either way he would be in the super bowl winning is another quesrion

[@vanderbotschregal9956]

@@herecomesdatrain and Singletary built the first 49ers

[@herecomesdatrain]

@@vanderbotschregal9956 huh explain please

[@AJ-id2qf]

I have a great deal of respect for him. He is a winner.

[@curtisrodriguez938]

Gruden inherited a championshp caliber team. Gruden also had an unfair advantage over the Raiders because he had coached them the previous year. He knew them so well, the Raiders never stood a competitive chance. Dungy did win his Super Bowl without the advantage that Gruden had. Gruden has not won a Super Bowl since and his teams since have not ever been as dominant as the Buccaneers. Greatest Respect for Mr. Dungy.

[@Yorkwoods44]

Dungy literally went to a championship calibur team in Indianapolis immediately after Tampa Bay let him go, how is it any different?

[@alb7844]

Mark Jacksin is definitely the Tony Dungy of the NBA.

[@ryanadam3720]

Nah mark ain’t that good of a coach

[@alb7844]

@@ryanadam3720 ask Curry he'll disagree. Dungy was great as was Mark Jackson, no need to compare greatness, the topic is comparable situations and they are similar. Mark is not a coach for social disagreements with management. A man who stood his ground and stood on his virtues he didn't conform to the agenda (look it up).

[@mrdonivy8]

Mark Jackson is a poor comparison and has yet to achieve greatness as a head coach. Rick Carlisle is an accurate instance of Tony Dungy. He took the Pistons from no playoffs to the second round then the conference finals. He was let go for a coach the franchise preferred even though he had improved (Jackson had not, 2round then 1st exit). Pistons win the title that same year, just like Bucs but Carlisle had not regressed as a coach. Has another opportunity and wins in Dallas. Rick and Tony weren't the issue. They just didn't fit the timeline of the franchises.

[@seanpaulson9098]

Tony us straight class. Seems like one of the most stand up guy in the nfl.

[@tigmo55]

I love Tony Dungy! A true leader of men who set such a great example wherever he went. What happened in Tampa Bay was SO wrong but it was blessing in disguise because it's quite possible the Colts never win a Super Bowl without a coach like Dungy. Definitely one of my favorite coaches of all-time.

[@WillEvans]

Love this podcast! Keep it going Unc Shay! 💯💯✊🏾

[@zenclover8468]

As a Bills fan his attitude reminds me so much of Marv Levy. Tony Dungy will always be known for navigating things with grace.

[@7Wallstreet]

The Raiders would have won, if their coach had changed the play-calls, Gruden knew them all.

[@crharper25]

The ultimate cheat code.

[@jayblue7117]

Facts. Can't change a whole play book in a season.

[@thevizkid]

@@jayblue7117 right!

[@Konahagure]

@Robb Dark Not good enough. The formations, down and distance habits by the coaching staff, QB tendencies and tells etc. There was too much ingrained. That was a perfect storm to have to play against last years head coach in the Super Bowl, for the Raiders, with the best if not one of the best defenses. That was essentially a gift wrapped Super Bowl. The Bucs never came close under Gruden again. Good coach anyway but fortuitous timing.

[@Shield60]

Would of loved to see Dungy and Gruden coaching against each other in that Super Bowl, tired of hearing all of this Dungys team Gruden knew the playbook blah blah

[@pumpmaster8143]

Dungy is a good man

[@ipadilla10]

Raiders need to hire Tony Dungy, 5 years 55 million… 50 million guaranteed.

[@jdakid1765]

I’m related to tony dungy on my grandmothers side it would be nice to meet him one day

[@10toeken87]

I felt so bad for tony dungy

[@randywalton747]

I'm a Cowboy fan, but I love Coach Dungee...he is my Brother in Christ.

[@cbanks1980]

He needs to be the new defensive coordinator for the Cowboys

[@Wolversquall]

Tony a great guy and is a blessing to the game . He does seem like he was more about food team building instead of just getting the job done to win . Pats coach had a winning mindset and Tony was about let’s build to win for one year and then rebuild

[@kennethbumphus2197]

2002 was still coach dungie's team winning the superbowl period!!!!

[@davidtothemax1]

Man what a guy

[@dynamitedingo7720]

Underrated coach

[@markblue6464]

Prob one of the only times we’ll see a team raised to greatness by one coach and replaced by a former super bowl opponent coach … wow

[@jordanstallings]

5:28 Tony Dungy emotions after Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl

[@Mad-UpperCuts]

@ 00:52 Coach reminds us the importance of a father figure in a man's life. He put this in his book QUIET STRENGTH. be a great dad and mentor, because that laid the foundation

[@michaeldavis6607]

Hes one of my heroes.

[@wayneschlotfeldt1631]

Coach Dungy, thank you for being a voice of forgiveness towards Coach Gruden for his recent problems. You show a way to be Christian in tough times.

[@duruphd]

Fantastic interview! I always wanted to here the Coach talk about these experiences and verbalize what many of us assumed he was feeling.

[@russellsnead3977]

Thank you Coach Dungy for coming to Tampa

[@AnonymousRandomGuy006]

Love this topic!

[@robertmartinjr.6292]

I'm a Raiders fan and I know how you feel Coach. Gruden took your team and beat his former team. That is some strange $hit right there.

[@tonyfarley3392]

OK 👍 UNCLE SHAY SHAY!!! Nice Positive interview

[@afire2818]

I was hurt about this!

[@keepitsimple003]

The way Tony Dungy carries himself is a display of his faith along with how he coaches. If you ever read his book Quiet Strength it goes into details about why Coach Dungy never yelled at players, officials, and etc. Coach Dungy did build the 03 Super Bowl Bucs defensive team. The only thing was missing was an offense. I am happy that he finally got his Super Bowl ring with the Colts.

[@estherlee5527]

Dungy is awesome

[@36cmbr]

Great informative and provocative interview. I always thought Grudin was “granted” Dungy’s team. The Tampa victory over the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII will forever be tainted because of unsportsmanlike conduct. Grudin, a former coach with the Raiders, was able to steal all the Raider signs. But that was one of the great defenses that pro football ever developed.

[@10toeken87]

Gruden should thank tony Dungy for winning him a superbowl

[@fnz2654]

You don’t think it was a coaching problem????

[@brettt141]

You mean when Gruden took dungys wc losing bucs to the sb?

[@FFx16459]

@@fnz2654 it was. Gruden demanded a bit more from the offense.

[@chrisredfield7839]

If Tony Fungy was so good..how come he couldn't get passed the wildcard with the team he built

[@christiansoldier77]

@@brettt141 The bucs were in the NFC championships so Gruden is all hype

[@thfzn]

Class act!

[@OperationEndGame]

the setback with Dungy when he was in Tampa that the offense was “neglected” compare to the defensive side.....Other than Alstott and Dunn, they had basically had several bust picks in WR’s and QB’s...

[@christiansoldier77]

OperationEndGame They didnt neglect the offense if some players were just busts

[@michaeldalton8374]

He was steadfast in support of Dilfer. That was the missing link.

[@christiansoldier77]

@Curly Que The offense wasnt that different . They had mostly the same players. Gruden just rode the defense

[@christiansoldier77]

@Curly Que Gruden did nothing for the offense . They scored less points under Gruden than they did the year before under Dungy lol

[@docvaliant721]

Gruden was a exceptionally talented coach.

[@javierlatin9383]

Also my Saints won sb vs colts because he wasn t the coach of the colts. Thank you Tony

[@timothywoods4329]

Sapp went on to say Dungy was “too nice” so obviously some players believe that the coaching change was justified.

[@MRDAMIONEOWENS]

Mike Singletary was the same way at SF... he built the defense up and then they let him go...smh.

[@rashaadgrismore1987]

Being a die-hard Niner fan since I was 2 Mike Singletary was awful

[@at2130]

Terrible head coach but had an eye for talent.

[@clinteastwood6875]

Dude Singletary is a horrible coach😂..great motivator and mentor..badddddd coach

[@Bellthorian]

If he was a better coach they would have got the job done. He was 2-4 for a .333 Winning percentage in the Playoffs. In Indy he was 7-6 for a .538 winning percentage. In the Playoffs Joe Gibbs was 17-7, a .708 Winning Percentage. Bill Walsh was 10-4, a .714 winning percentage. Jimmy Johnson was 9-4, a .692 winning percentage. Bill Belichick is 31-12, a .721 winning percentage. Tony Dungy was a nice man but he was a mediocre head coach.

[@tigmo55]

I don't know if I believe in karma or not but I'll say this...when the Colts has that UNREAL comeback to beat the Bucs during that primetime game, that was poetic justice for Tony Dungy. Such a great game too!

[@NeatoBurrito05]

Tony dungy built the team. Gruden gave them the final push that they needed, something dungy couldn't do. Both were very important for that super bowl.

[@rxtsec1]

Praise God for Tony Dungy

[@ceetruth7419]

Imagine how Mark Jackson feels

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

Tony Dungy got screwed out of another super bowl

[@tylu6337]

Same thing happened to mark jackson with Steve kerr

[@at2130]

Steve kerr is garbage coach. Walton could have won those titles.

[@Yorkwoods44]

Jackson never won in GS, Kerr did

[@croc313]

I was sad to 🤦🏾‍♂️. They do that in sports

[@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews]

This man coached John Randle, Brett Favre's worst nightmare.

[@russelltcranford]

ME TOO !!

[@johnmccain406]

Same old story, just like Nash in Brooklyn. Jackson only had 2 and a half years. In his full season they grew every year 20 & 25 win increase & playoffs. It's not like he even had five years .But for some reason he still can't get a job, in Philly, LA, Nets Indy or Houston or New Orleans. There's something else going on here & they wondering why there's no black's in upper Management in the NBA

[@Pumpkin3.14pi]

Jackson got kicked out, because of his his anti-lgbtq stance. The NBA has gone really sjw. I don't think it should keep him from getting a coaching, but that's why.

[@johnmccain406]

That's the 1st time I heard that & it's CRAZY

[@Pumpkin3.14pi]

@@johnmccain406 Yeah he's a pastor, and used to hold prayers and things like that. I think it made the Warriors front office uncomfortable.

[@johnmccain406]

@@Pumpkin3.14pi I did hear that, but that's small compared to what others have done & still work. He still deserves a second shot, look at all the losing franchises that never come close to the playoffs. Imagine how many of these people are racist but still have jobs.The end of the day it's a business & wins increase bring in revenue.The owners said he fired him because he didn't hire the best assistants possible,how about that.

[@Pumpkin3.14pi]

@@johnmccain406 That was their official statement, but it's because the league has gone all sjw. The shoe companies are sjw too, and they control a lot of the league.

[@lilboo0922]

Fun fact dungy and gruden houses face each other must’ve been some Weird mornings

[@robertcarroll637]

Most bucs fans acknowledge that this was dungy team.

[@mackpark3153]

Mark Jackson with Golden State and then it was handed over to Steve Kerr. Not just the NFL but the NBA🤔

[@cbanks1980]

Didnt know that...

[@josephfederico6362]

Marc Jackson had his chances couldn't get it done...who's to say that Dungy wins a Superbowl if he stays .... winning a Superbowl isn't easy

[@Yorkwoods44]

Dungy literally went to a better situation in Indy right after TB let him go so he inherited a championship calibur team that he didn’t build too

[@sunnydreux]

They don’t see it 🤦🏾‍♂️.

[@jordanstallings]

4:43 Tony Dungy talks about Tampa Super Bowl win

[@stevengrvp]

No phone call that's sad

[@chrism2185]

02 waz A Crazy U Year

[@IllustratedManOfficial]

Dungy was close, but failed. He has a number of chances to boost the offense enough and couldn’t get it done. I have no confidence he would have eventually won a SB. His defense was great the first year for Gruden but was getting old. The core of that defense was gone within a few seasons. Dungy missed his window of opportunity. I will say, though, I think had Dilfer not broken his collarbone the 1999 team might have won a SB.

[@housemoneyken7100]

I don’t agree with Tony on this one. Here’s why.... first of all Gruden played against a team he built in the Raiders, he added his offense to The Bucs D. Gruden played against a team he built. Second. Didn’t Dungy with a Colts team that already had Manning and culture?🤔 He added his Defense they won. Tony is a Legend. But he gotta see the whole perspective

[@housemoneyken7100]

That’s kind of hypocritical of him. I’m sorry

[@housemoneyken7100]

However I don’t disagree with him feeling that way. I would have felt slighted too. But doesn’t make Gruden non deserving

[@mikenyce539]

The Problem was Trent Dilfer was your QB

[@taylorpack7705]

People act like gruden had no part in winning that Super Bowl. Dungy couldn’t get the offense to work. Gruden came in and ramped up the offense and got them over the top and let’s not ignore the fact that gruden beat the team HE built in the Super Bowl. The reason they didn’t do well afterwards is because the team got old and had to rebuild.

[@edscottable]

Sam Wyche took a dirt nap in Tampa

[@kenlounders5399]

I think tony is one of the best men in football history. But he only won one SB with one of the greatest teams in that era. He should have won more.

[@mysterion5136]

I was a big fan of those Colts teams. There were about 5 - 6 seasons that they were CLEARLY the best team in the league but didn't win the hardware. I say Dungy should have 3 SBs, one in Tampa and 2 in Indy. That would be an accurate representation of his impact, IMO.

[@at2130]

@@mysterion5136 Peyton couldn't get it done.

[@BobSmith-said]

People always say gruden won with his talent what about him winning with Jim mora talent

[@Jefe6622]

3:57 the answer to that is Trent Dilfer

[@hermes8743]

True

[@Antbug424]

Me too!!!

[@anthonysmith3648]

Jimmy Johnson >Barry Switzer

[@cbanks1980]

Dont put Barry in that. He was a ego component for Jerry Jones. Jerry wanted to prove to Jimmy he could win the super bowl with anyone

[@anthonysmith3648]

@@cbanks1980 with a team built by Jimmy

[@jaimejaviergarcia3743]

Tampa 2! That. Is. All.

[@califleadog7285]

Dwayne Casey to Nick Nurse

[@Yorkwoods44]

I’m from Toronto & Nick Nurse is a way better coach than Dwayne Casey

[@itsmej87]

The bucks made the right choice since they won in the end. Dungy is a great d coach but they needed to make a change to actually win. Not saying Gruden is great. But he was the right person at the moment for whatever reason

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

Dungy wouldn't have won a title in Tampa...and Jim Mora wouldn't have won a title in Indy. It's just how it goes.

[@gerardparker4220]

That may be true, but Gruden wouldn’t have won in first season if Tony wasn’t in Tampa before him.

[@chrishosey2010]

@@gerardparker4220 gruden doesn’t win if the team he literally just left wasn’t in the super bowl that year.

[@Alan-oj3ps]

you Don't that

[@luddacriss]

I always said that SuperBowl was Tony Dungy's brain child. Just like the unc 2005 title team was Matt Doherty's recruitment.

[@anveerkhosa7496]

Dungy made them Contenders, but Gruden made them champions......

[@dds_que7472]

And ran the organization into the ground afterwards.

[@tigmo55]

If only that magical Falcons team had found a way to beat the Eagles in Philly (this was the season that the Falcons shocked the Packers in Lambeau), I would have loved to have seen what they could do against the Bucs. The Bucs might have had their number that year but a third matchup could have gone very differently. We can only wonder what might have been...

[@youcant3xmakethisuptv752]

If dungy and Obama took a dna test they gotta be 1 cussing? To me they share similar spirits

[@thurmanwashington3120]

I was thinking the same thing 😂.

[@billyperry5926]

That’s exactly why they let him go he had all the players and come up short

[@roy8200]

Nice guys finish last...... lesson learned. Let's be honest Tony is a great coach but not the best leader, he had every chance to win a championship but failed. He was a consistent coach, consistently second or third....

[@smallgoon]

What a joke... They got worse each year his last 3 years .. 11-5 to 10-6 to 9-7... Lost 11-6 in the conference finals ... Then lost 21-3 and 31-9 his next two years in the wild card round. Warren sapp was their best player and he said dungy was too nice.

[@nattydreadlocks1973]

Everyone talks about how bad the leadership in Cleveland or Detroit is. Tampa is the all-time worst.

[@Hune44]

Love Coach Dungy but don't most new head coaches go too bad teams? That's why they were fired cuz the team sucked??

[@IronMike212]

He tried getting Dungy to play the race card. Dungy ain’t biting. Tony probably should’ve gotten a job a lot earlier, yes. A lot of coaches go through what Tony went through...waiting and expecting a phone call that never comes. Except if you’re a coaches son, you just get grandfathered in. Usually, you work for your dad and then branch out and work for his buddies. Football is scandalous for this. It’s the buddy system over there.

[@at2130]

The good ol boys club like every institution in America

[@at2130]

@jacob Not at the coaching or front office level.

[@wwgbert]

Here is the difference in Jackson and Dungy, character. Jackson had character issues so deep the organization couldn't keep him in that role. Dungy is the pure definition of a high character person/man/leader and leader of men. Go back and look it up of why Jackson was let go, not trying to spread hate here just stating the facts. Here is a quote from the team owner "Part of was he couldn't get along with anyone else in the organization" Jacob said " and look he did a great in many ways, I always compliment him for that, but you can't have 200 people in the organization not like you. " You can easily look up what was also happening in personal life at the time as well. Again no hate just facts so IMO these two situation are not similar of why someone was let go.

[@thefitgurutv]

Wrong! Mark Jackson had a very successful church; ownership fired him for this reason and this reason alone.

[@wwgbert]

@@thefitgurutv Maybe when he had to tell his wife, his church and the Golden State Warriors he had been caught cheating on his wife with a stripper. I was trying not to go there but yea again look at the facts.

[@christiansoldier77]

Ronde Baber is not a HOF player

[@im7700]

By the same token, Dungy won a Super Bowl with the team Jim Mora built in Indianapolis so...

[@tigmo55]

Jim Mora didn't build the Colts...Peyton Manning did! Outside of the super fun 1995 outlier season (when the Colts nearly beat the Steelers in the AFC Title Game), the Colts were mostly garbage before Manning arrived. And unlike Dungy (who DID win playoff games with the Bucs), Jim Mora's teams were AWFUL in the playoffs. Dungy's defense is honestly what put the Colts over the hump.

[@im7700]

@@tigmo55 Oh ok so Peyton quarterbacked AND coached the team? You're full of 💩. Not even Tom Brady can quarterback AND coach a team. Btw, don't tell me Peyton played defense too and that that's why they made all of those playoff runs BEFORE Dungy arrived 🤔. You know what they say, or maybe you don't, defense wins championships!!!!

[@tigmo55]

@@im7700 The Colts only made a couple of playoff appearances before Dungy arrived because Peyton had just completed his third season in the league. He was still (relatively) wet behind the ears. But tell me that the Colts maintain any semblance of relevance if they don't have Peyton Manning. Yes I agree with you that defense wins championships but that's IF the team has at least a good offense as well (the '77 Falcons are a tragic story about a team with an otherworldly defense...maybe the best one EVER...but an AWFUL offense that kept them from even making the playoffs). You need both to succeed. Not trying to downplay what Jim Mora did (I loved his postgame conferences for sure.) but I feel that Dungy left the Bucs in much better shape than Mora left the Colts.

[@im7700]

@@tigmo55 Exactly you just proved my point. Even with a "wet behind the ears" Manning, as you so eloquently pointed out, Mora STILL got them to the playoffs. How many coaches have done that 🤨

[@darrenedwards6705]

Shady stuff.the steal was in!!! Gruden a real ...raider and Buccaneers......Raiders Won that super bowl....callahan change game plan last minute....cmon man!!! If dungy was coaching...buccaneers would have won as well.....best coaching staff....herm edwards and others...underrated....

[@zackdavis9539]

Truth is both men inherited that defense from monte kiffin, Dungy is not a good offensive coach- couldn’t get this team past the wildcard and Peyton had to run his offense in Indy

[@25nahshon]

People say Jon Gruden won with Dungy's Superbowl team, not realizing Gruden's Raiders were also in that same Superbowl.

[@nippahut]

yea and they lost lol!!

[@25nahshon]

@@nippahut still went

[@nippahut]

point taken you have to give credit for that correct. just like the bills who went 4 straight and didnt get enough credit !

[@25nahshon]

@@nippahut exactly. The Bills were the best team of that era to not win the Superbowl.

[@Yorkwoods44]

Meanwhile we’re saying Dungy was screwed when he literally went to an even better situation in Indy. He inherited an immediate championship contender that he didn’t build as well lol