Too Much Pineapple: A Glass Onion Review

[@LordOwenTheThird]

I interpreted Blanc's speech at the end to be him making it up as he went along, stalling for time while Andi went to find the napkin. It came off as really funny to me like this was the one time he didn't have a speech prepared.

[@EtchJetty]

def agree - the "miles bron is an idiot" felt like intentional self-parody bc what he was saying up until that point was basically also nonsense. cutting back to the made up words Miles was saying felt like sweetening that parody, it DOES suck as a genuine reveal lol

[@writing-ace-club]

The ending shot is Helen as the Mona Lisa making the same neutral expression. So I think her victory is supposed to feel hollow. Her sister is still dead and whatever money she gets from the future court case would be affected by Alpha’s reputation being ruined. Speaking of webpages at the very end of your vid, I’ve been making my own website and I love the control it gives me!

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

oh that's a really smart observation about the mona lisa, i'll have to think about that...

[@VeritasUnae]

Yeah! That was my favourite part of the whole movie, the ending shot mimicking the Mona Lisa. I didn’t connect it as closely to Helen’s victory (or lack thereof) though, yeah. That’s a good pick up.

[@oberondreaming]

The interesting thing that stood out to me in the opening puzzle box sequence was Yo-yo Ma explaining that a fugue is a “musical puzzle” that turns into a beautiful new thing when you layer it on itself. Which is precisely what the movie ends up doing. It plays the same tune twice but layers it into a new thing. Musically the base element of a fugue is often fairly simplistic but it becomes something more beautiful and complex as the variations begin to be played over top of each other. In the movie it was such a little throw away line (aside from being from such a famous source) but it really feels like it tells you a lot about what the movie is doing.

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

that's a really good observation!

[@dummy_vicc2976]

the funny thing about the puzzle thing is that it's not even the rich people who figure out the puzzles, really. they wouldn't have gotten past the first part if it weren't for duke's mother, a member at the party figures out the music thing, and then the party person's (i forget her name) assistant does a lot of the rest

[@zekewalker1350]

btw Kate Hudson's sheer chrystal mask at the dock was a reference to a mask lana del rey wore in real life to a fan meet and greet in like summer of 2020.

[@wehpudicabok6598]

I actually loved Bautista in that role, specifically because I was thinking of him as Andrew Tate. It's just an amazing coincidence that Tate got arrested in real life right around the time the film was released, so his particular brand of awfulness was fresh in my mind when I saw it. I don't think he was supposed to be Alex Jones in particular; I know they have some things in common, but Bautista's character and Tate share a "macho" attitude (not to mention a gaming background) that Jones lacks. Edit: Wow, this is exactly why I should finish videos before leaving comments lol

[@Kay-kg6ny]

To respond to your edit: I'm actually glad you left this comment though, cuz you shared helpful context that reminded me about the particular timing of the release of the film!

[@JohnOhno]

I think that moreso than Amazon, Alpha was modeled on Google (which famously was built off an academic paper, owns video streaming services, has a 'news' unit that really just aggregates particular 'trusted' sources, and which had a unit trying to do space travel until a couple years ago) -- and that the audience was supposed to get the connection because Google is now officially named Alphabet. (Of course, Google doesn't have a single Elon Musk figure -- it has a pair of definitively less charismatic sub-Musks who both left the company years ago.)

[@marocat4749]

Eh i know zuckerberg is, he is his own brand of uncanny.

[@zekewalker1350]

To answer the question about whether Helen "looks poor". I think this film is a metaphor about misogynoir and the way that Black women arent recognized for their contributions while white men profit from their ideas/work. (and everyone else even people who are not white men, will go along selling Black women down the river) so its not necessarily about her looking poor or even being poor. Yes, its about wealth, but we are constantly reminded that ~everyone's~ wealth was the product of a Black woman's stolen work and its more about the justice of recognizing her than redistributing the wealth. Be on the lookout for my video where I break down the glass onion as a metaphor for the birth of capitalism in america.

[@oceanviolets1306]

It felt... Weird... How Miles murdering 2 and trying to kill a third is almost... Brushed over? Like it was relevant to the plot obvously, but it felt like it was given less weight than in Knives Out. Fran being poisoned was horrifying and raised the stakes, it felt threatening. Miles murdering Dave Bautista felt almost slapstick or basically a non issue. Miles also shot someone, attempted direct violent murder, and it feels like since Helen didn't die it wasn't that bad. Maybe I'm a minority in thinking this but death held a serious weight in Knives out that I just feel like it didn't in Glass Onion

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

this is a really great point

[@cherrydewdrops]

You said genre and meta narratives and it suddenly makes sense how I, a homestuck fan, love the movies of his I've seen

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

yup yup yup yup yup funny coincidence that

[@VioletSadi]

Mood

[@ravendreaming3966]

That's so funny, because as a Homestuck fan myself, I really didn't like Knives Out. I thought it was just fine at best and kind of annoying at worst. I didn't care about the characters. Then again, I don't really like movies in general? I don't usually have enough time to get invested in the characters. I like the mundane character interactions in Homestuck, how they get to do stupid shit and mess with each other. And I like when characters like each other. i mean, I liked Marta in Knives Out, she was nice. But I don't know, it felt like a story about ideas instead of people. Which I guess is my autism going in a different direction.

[@sofivear]

Oh, absolutely. Seconding this

[@leilacarvalho4404]

[SPOILER ALERT] Honestly for me Glass Onion became a masterpiece when I discovered that everything Blanc describes at the revelation can very clearly be seen in the murder scene. The way Rian Johnson directs our attention during the scene so we can't see the murder take place even though it's absolutely visible in a rewatch is GENIUS. Everything, from the Bautista showing Norton the news of Monae's death, to Norton stealing his gun, the swapping of the glasses and Norton hiding the gun, Bautista's cellphone being in Norton's pocket when everyone is looking for it, it is all in plain sight. I personally think that was the moment I absolutely fell in love with this film, not on the first watch, but on the rewatch.

[@torsegundo637]

1. I'm just going to believe the haze during the main section of the essay is because you hotboxed your friends' entire apartment. 2. I think Helen is supposed to be a teacher of some variety, which is like...variable working or middle class depending on one's original means. Either way she would probably to have some kind of upper-level education, which suggests a slightly better class echelon. Either way, still significantly below any of the influencers. 3. The first half of Glass Union is also from the meta-perspective of the audience who came to see a Benoit Blanc movie, who focused all their attention on Blanc because they/we expected him to do some wild detective shit after the events of Knives Out. The influencers' reactions to Blanc mirror what the audience was expecting to happen. Blanc's reveal of the fact that he's his own red herring isn't just telling Helen, it's revealing the mystery structure to the audience themselves. 4. Michael Shannon was in Man of Steel as General Zod, but jokes on you, I live in Texas and Greg Abbott outlawed Homestuck.

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

Girl, you have some patience; way more than I could muster. I can barely sit through ONE movie let alone the same one multiple times. I always admire people who can put in the work for the love of the craft. I very rarely comment, but your videos always teach me something, or bring up a point that I never even considered. Thanks for being a good teacher! :D

[@cerehling]

On the topic of Schadenfreude, that was (for my taste) the failing of the entire ending - like you said - made especially clear by that final shot of Helen vs the final shot of Martha. Martha's maybe felt unrealistic, but it /was/ cathartic, and to me these movies don't need to be plausible, it's my Schadenfreude wish-fulfilment. With Helen, the movie was trying to tell you it was something big, a win, but it... just rang hollow. Maybe Bron gets sued, disgraced, maybe the clique testifies against him, maybe... he gets off scot free like rich people do irl, since we're already scaling down from the wish-fulfilment. For me, that kind of empty maybes couldn't hold up to Knives Out.

[@sworddragonsliege]

One thing that bothered me about the movie is that before Helen is revealed in the second half we have no idea Cassandra even had a sister, much less a twin, so it left the twin gimmick feeling a bit bland. I would have liked some small throwaway line mentioning that Cassandra had a sister, it wouldn't even need to say she had a twin sister. It didn't give me one of those "Oh, how did I not see this before," moments as much as other parts of the movie did.

[@klungusxyz]

38:47 It was my interpretation that she was posed to look like the Mona Lisa - throughout the movie, she's kind of juxtaposed against it a lot When the Mona Lisa is introduced it immediately cuts to "Andi", and when Miles starts to talk all about her the camera holds on Andi's face in a similar expression During the scene that builds up to Dave Bautista's character's demise, it keeps cutting to the Mona Lisa when the door closes after every Google Alert, calling attention to Andi's absence from the scene (if you've already connected the two) and making her a bit of a red herring I think this is to communicate that, similar to the point you made about all the art, Miles and all of his friends are vacuous and empty, and Helen gets to be the one with meaning and purpose that lasts (since everyone's reputation will be destroyed) EDIT: 51:12 THIS I AGREE WITH. If anything I feel it should have been justified significantly more with the first half of the movie having more of its own arc that ends on a "half cadence" that resolves with the final half of the film - there was a biiiiiit of that but the first half of the movie could do with more substance and drama - one of my main ideas would be to put the explanation of what happened at the trial from the influencer's perspective in the first half of the movie, reveal Andi's actual death via a character finding out on their phone at the end of the first half, sort of frontload the setup so the reveal of "Andi's" true identity fills in more pieces that are already setup

[@KeithBallardA]

I took Dave Bautista as Joe Rogen, reinforced by the shaved head but having the short black hair in the flashback. Both just come across as meatheads that repeat whatever the last important person said to them, or whatever they think will make them money.

[@chizicus]

I agree with a lot of your points, and wonder how much Glass Onion being a Netflix movie (and RJ being beholden to notes from Netflix executives) hurt the overall story. It felt like to me that a lot of the decisions were made with the idea that the audience would be listening to the movie while scrolling on their phones, rather than say, sitting in a theater completely focused and engaged. Thus all the dumbing down or outright announcing of the important clues and information. Anyway, great video as always!

[@Felixiroflife28]

I feel like Dave Barista’s Duke Cody is meant to be more of a Joe Rogan type than an Alex Jones type, and he’s like a nerdy MMA guy who gets into KZbin

[@phyphor]

Thank you for making this, because it vocalises a lot of the things I thought but in a better way than I could have.

[@phyphor]

And, added as a sub-note because it's not relevant to the video itself, I am a Patreon because Comradery gives me a server error 500 whenever I try and sub to anyone.

[@sofivear]

It was funny to notice the title change in the middle of watching the video, haha (I like the new one better btw) Anyway, excellent analysis as always Sarah. You manage to put to words and bind to concrete details this vague idea I had about Knives Out feeling "tighter", though I greatly enjoyed both films.

[@Guruc13]

Yes! I loved this review, and love to hear you share your thoughts about shows and movies. Thank you Sarah Zedig!

[@leonthecowboy]

i really like that you brought up the super solid beginning sequence because i was hoping theyd do that editing again too. really love ur videos btw

[@sarasunflower3369]

Hell yessssss I loved your Knives Out video so much I'm so hyped for this!!!

[@sinceremoose]

I listened to 'The glass onion speecH' as buying time for Janelle Monae's character to get the napkin. Agreed, RJ's hand was clear from the first watch and the flashbacks were unneeded. Glass Onion is a little more onion and glass than Knives Out

[@cerehling]

Yeah, maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought that was spelled out? That he was stalling for time, and just coming up with poetic sounding bullshit, laying it on thick with the persona he'd been playing for everyone but Helen from the start.

[@leonormorais8509]

Wow, I was just wondering the other day if you'd make a video for Glass Onion as well. I'm so happy you did. I'm excited to watch this.

[@boyinred34]

With regards to the mask with holes, that's referring to Lana del Rey literally wearing a mesh mask to a fan meet and greet. That's probably why it felt real to you because it was just a thing that happened

[@CheeseLoversUnited]

I enjoyed glass onion when I watched it on Xmas but also felt it didn't capture quite as much as knives out. this was nice and satisfying to listen to decompress after a long hospital shift. thank you

[@nemo-no-name]

Yeah, I agree with you on the relative quality of the movies. I do want to note that the split into two parts isn't purely stylistic, I would argue it also tries to show the bubble in first part that influencers live in and then in second part it widens to show that people have been doing things outside their little bubble. Not necessarily that it was fully successful in this approach, but it did read that way to me.

[@CatSculptor]

one small detail that probably isn't useful but has impacted how I feel about things; the Mona Lisa in real life is painted on a piece of wood while the Mona Lisa that burns at the end of the movie is clearly on paper, which would mean that it was fake the whole time. Like the Louvre never trusted him to keep it safe and gave him a replica and Miles thought it was real based on how he fought Janelle Monáe to protect it at the end, which sits oddly with me. Something about the centerpiece of the climax being fake, but that only being known to the audience makes me feel like that's Johnson telling us not to try taking too much away from the film, or something, idk.

[@torsegundo637]

GDI, I knew I knew that and I thought about it but then discarded the idea because I thought maybe I was wrong; or that it was part of film shorthand - not actually factually true but because general audiences are assumed to be ill-educated they just went with the misinformation.

[@cidevant002]

I assumed it was so because wood takes a lot more time to burn than paper so they kinda have to do it like that, or else Miles could had a chance to hurt Helen or save the painting somehow. It's all for the purpose of the movie. It had to be burn quickly and it had to be unsalvable so they made it on paper. It's not that deep.

[@ames-inthe-grass]

i think it was just to further emphasise that miles is dumb like blanc says, that he was so up his own ass that he thought he was good enough to own the mona lisa let alone take care of it properly. throughout the film we’re shown how careless he was with every plan he executed. also fake or not, cuz there is a debate about that, it’s bad news for him and makes him look bad either way

[@Leftistattheparty]

I often forget that this channel exists and then it pops up and I instantly remember why I like it.

[@cashnelson2306]

@19:05 here is where I feel real blessed that I don't keep up with mainstream pop culture at all cuz I had absolutely no clue who any of these actors were (besides Miles, who I spent an hour going "wait where do I know him from...") so the characters all landed pretty well for me

[@VioletSadi]

A way to more naturally do pineapple juice might be when Blanc is asked to pick his poison, Bautista could mention pineapple, as his poison. Though that might be too close to the drink

[@zekewalker1350]

love Brick and had been trying to watch it for years after finding out about it in film school. and I really enjoyed Rian's StarWar

[@k.annecrosby4263]

I agree with you so much and i am so glad someone is saying it. Its a good movie, but it is just nowhere near As good. its just a little messier, the characters are on the whole, a little less engaging, the ending is just a little less satisfying. I like what it is trying to say message-wise, but as a film, it is just not as good. (I am five minutes into the video, so I don't know any of your points, I am just relieved not to be the only one who thinks this.)

[@cractor6307]

I find the ending more satisfying really. But that may be that I prefer the actions at the end. The mistery itself is less engaging but thats kinda the point

[@joojaperera]

It's been so long since I've watched a video essay, but your channel stands in a nice place in my life ever since homestuck times. I admit I haven't watched too many videos, mostly because of spoilers of whatever thing I havent gotten myself to playing/watching. Now the time I first subscribed on my other account I was starting to question my gender identity, now, almost 5 years later, that I think I have it mostly figured out, and even though I mostly don't care what name people read in my comments, I think this one matters. So this is my first video watched, first channel I've subscribed and first comment left on this account, because your work made a difference.

[@joojaperera]

Also sorry for being rambly and not commenting on the video itself, but honestly I restrained and if I touch on the subject of the video the comment would be double it's size and this is not my blog

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

NICE!!! i feel so honored, and i'm really glad you found a name that feels right for you, Georgia!!!!!

[@starrykev]

i am very very excited for a follow up to the homestuck fanfic video

[@karmajams]

to me, helen is less typical southern lower class and more midnight mass declining middle class. that simple loose cotton clothing she wears feels too soccer mom on a sunday and not enough overworked underpayed young public school teacher

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

yeah i agree

[@Leftistattheparty]

Didn't notice that naked cat statue right away. then it was just monkey stimulated meme

[@karmajams]

i literally saw that shot of monae and the box and the wide zoom out on my first watch and thought "oh sarah's gonna have things to say about that one..."

[@juneguts]

The main thing Glass Onion made me do was remember Edward Norton's chops and rewatch Birdman a couple times. Damn, Birdman. Harvey Birdman too but that takes longer to rewatch and has nothing to do with any of this but shoutouts to that cartoon obviously Damn Birdman though. That shit is REAL.

[@universalheartforever]

too much hindenburg

[@willowmckinnis6323]

my favorite rian johnson film is that one time he directed a mountain goats vhs

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

that video is really dang good is the thing

[@jerrahaynes1564]

Ugh i’m so looking forward to your analysis but i haven’t seen the film yet, and i REALLY wanna see it unspoiled xD commenting tho for the algorithm, and putting this on my watch-later

[@notsam7928]

Omg I’m gonna lose my mind. I’ve been waiting for this since I heard about glass onion

[@silverstorm3729]

I haven't watched Glass Onion but I adore your analysis so I am very conflicted right now XD To spoil or not to spoil...

[@ThinkingReality]

Go watch it, even if it doesn't quite hold up to Knives Out it's still an extremely fun romp.

[@smokybrittle]

Ok I also liked Glass Onion but didn't love it as much as Knives Out, and appreciate you articulating all this. Also, I know that's a microphone but it looks like you have a pet tribble perched on your hand the whole time and I love it.

[@Fachewachewa]

"Entertaining" is exactly how I describe Glass Onion. I really agree with everything, but to me the thing that had the biggest impact is the characters, they were much more interesting in Knives Out. (Also on a Poker Face note I'm glad because it has great characters!)

[@colonelweird]

I liked Glass Onion quite a bit, but I agree with most of your criticism, especially regarding the script. The film seemed a bit unfocused, with too many things a bit too easy, a bit too vague - unlike Knives Out, which is always sharp as a tack. Maybe they should have put the script in a drawer for two years, then taken it out and polished it again. Still. It was a lot of fun, and I hope we get another Benoit Blanc.

[@cosmicenbi]

Glass Onion: 8/10. Sarah's Vid: 12/10. I watched Glass Onion and this video back to back, with a decent "make a cuppa and think break" in between and I'm now even more excited to watch it again given Sarah's perspective. I feel like every time I watch a Sarah vid I learn more about media and through media myself. The line "As someone who has imagined setting the Mona -- literally the Mona Lisa -- on fire multiple times for reasons that I won't get into..." is such a fucking mood. Keep making good shit. I think Glass Onion goes for a Mona Lisa Ellen connection and doesn't land it nearly as well as Marta is depicted in knives out. Is it the curse of the sequel, the changing lens of modern online politics, or the weakness of the script writing team? Who knows,. But it sure is fun to dig into and think about. Much love.

[@Zephyr_Zeitgeist]

The billionaire was supposed to be Zuckerburg, I heard, but current events lined up that it looks like it's 'obviously' Elon.

[@Mewobiba]

Dave Batista's character worked for me, felt like a deliberate mashup of Joe Rogan and Alex Jones to me; kinda Joe Rogan's demeanor with Alex Jones conspiracism. Him being ripped and kind of a gymbro reactionary didn't strike me as weird, plenty of reactionary online personalities go that rout. Andrew Tate was a kickboxer, The Golden One was a bodybuilder, hell Joe Rogan himself is pretty buff (though nowhere near Bautista, obv).

[@shraka]

I see two meaning behind "Alpha" doing everything: Firstly, it's a riff on Musk's "Everything app" idea, which is just WeChat 'but more'. Secondly it's just pointing out that the people behind most tech companies - and most companies in general - are all the same. People like Miles have started all of these companies.

[@Kay-kg6ny]

The part where your cat had opinions on the movie too was excellent 👍🏾

[@crimefite1316]

I have a theory about the non-linear story telling. At first blush, I would have said it was unnecessary to tell the story in this way, but in retrospect I have a theory that telling the story with key details omitted, and then going back and filling in those details, might be expressing our experiences with social media influencers and celebrities. Think of how many people actually thought Elon Musk was a genius only for him to very publicly prove he isn't. These influential people are good at optics, and they can leave out key details about their lives in order to present the public with the image they want to be associated with. However, once you catch onto the game, you can go back and see the evidence of their dirty laundry, and how they worked to shape a public persona that doesn't add up to reality. I don't know if this is intention or not, but it definitely makes me think about that feeling of realizing a fake and going back and finding receipts and seeing them now through this different lens.

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

that's a GREAT read

[@crimefite1316]

@@letstalkaboutstuff Thanks! I'm not sure if it holds up to scrutiny as I haven't watched the film in a little while. Love the video btw, and I agree Knives Out just feels like the more timeless film. I enjoyed both, but I liked Knives Out a lot more.

[@jesslavender8852]

It's an interesting coincidence that you released this video on the same day Grace Lavery Pangolin engaged in similar criticism of RJ & Glass Onion over Instagram, must be something in the water/estradiol

[@andchimeras]

First, I am similarly allergic to pineapple and you'd be surprised how often it comes up, lol. Which might be the point of using it. Anyway. Duke and Bron are very compact combinations of characteristics from, like, a couple of cultural "demographics" of public figures. Duke is Joe Rogan/manosphere streamers/Alex Jones-hawking-supplements, and I think Bautista did a really good job, but yeah, positioning the "gamer/streamer" aspect as the base for the character was a misstep, exactly because Bautista is a wrestler, like you said. The foundation should have been more Rogan- or Jones-forward, maybe with a turn into him trying streaming to stay relevant? Idk. Bron is a pretty perfect ratatouille of Musk, Zuckerberg, Dorsey, the WeWork guy, etc. and that makes it difficult for people who aren't familiar with that particular generation of vampires to see "what" the character is supposed to represent. And yes. Ed Norton is probably slightly too charismatic for the character, but I was delighted to hate him. So idk! Overall, I agree that Knives Out is better, but I did enjoy Glass Onion quite a bit.

[@TzrcWolf_]

I honestly think this has been one of my favorite films to watch in years. It’s not perfect, but it doesn’t need to be at all. It’s just a fun movie. I think it’s helped by going straight to streaming as well because it’s a perfect movie for a light night Netflix stroll. I see so much hate for this movie, but I honestly think majority of it is undeserved. These people dismantle it for its issues but don’t really consider what the movie for a casual viewer is like. Just my take on it, would love to see others thoughts ❤

[@saoirsegenus5957]

RE the ending shot- i think it has to do with Greek mythology, another thing that Rian Johnson likes playing around with. Monae's character is name is Helen... as in, she who launched a thousand ships in a destructive war with her face. Which the film ends on, making the same inscrutable expression the Mona Lisa has. I have mixed feelings about the ending: like you, I liked it, but found Knives Out to be the stronger project, for reasons you have already elicided, and the ending is a big part of why. The moviegoer in me wants the same kind of catharsis I got at the end of Knives, which isn't really present here... and the leftist in me wanted that catharsis denied further. Like, part of me believes a full downer ending, in which Bron essentially gets away with it all and survives even his island blowing up, would be stronger and more effective- certainly more effective than the other influencers turning on Bron at the end. But that's a mean, exhausting part of myself, and the movie, as is, is fine. This is a good video, and you do fine work.

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

yeah that's kinda where i landed too. i wanted more or less from the ending, because what we got was a bit murky. still a fun movie though!

[@rollapoid]

hey /i/ liked the knifes out video!

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

thank you u_u

[@mikanchan322]

I honestly thought the humanising moment for Whiskey was a little hamfisted. They literally just inserted a conversation where she explains to the protagonist that there is more to her. I really felt the writers hand in this one compared to Knives Out!

[@strawblina]

I'm the only one of my friend group who likes Knives out more than glass onion, but I couldn't explain why the ending felt unsatisfying before.

[@CharleyMarlowe]

Behind The Bastards podcast has some great episodes about Andrew Tate that definitely didn’t feel like poisoning myself to listen to.

[@mmtunligit]

for the bautista thing, i think if there was a shot with him with an epi pen as a humanizing moment + a homophobic joke from miles about him not liking "fruits"

[@SchulzEricT]

I'll keep it short: the more I think about "Glass Onion", the more I hate it. Mostly, because Cassandra took a picture of an envelope in order to trick Miles into thinking she had a napkin. But apparently she had the napkin? Despite explicitly telling us she no longer had it. Just... really fucking weird choice to show us several times that she didn't have the napkin, only to at the end be like "no wait, yes she does!" Also, I knew Helen wasn't shot but I assume they must've staged things to make it look like she was. But apparently: magic bullet-stopping notebook! I have no problem being wrong, not being able to figure out a mystery. I like being surprised. But c'mon, I was wrong because I didn't realize "magic bullet-proof notebook"? And because I thought that taking a picture of an envelope instead of the actual napkin meant something beyond "Cassandra is very stupid but luckily Miles is also very stupid in exactly the same way she is" I guess...

[@shoofle]

i strongly felt like glass onion was a less punchy and sillier followup to knives out; i don't think it's As Good as knives out but that's because knives out is kind of a superb movie, yoyu know? and so glass onion is just like. fun and good. honestly i feel like it's exactly what i wanted from a sequel, like, something a little silly with benoit blanc. i hope we get more of him. unless he's going to turn to the screen and tell us that we should take up our weapons and revolt, i kinda like the popcorny fare. good video i agree

[@shoofle]

you have received the Random Internet Commenter Stamp of Approval, the most important accolade in the world.

[@apunche9699]

The comment about Janelle Monae's accent was interesting because it also felt off to me, but I do not know if this is an authenticity issue or a regional difference or just Janelle Monae the person overpowering the character despite doing a good job acting otherwise. Like, I know she is not from Georgia originally, but she lived a lot of her life in Atlanta. And also putting her next to Benoit Blanc's completely different take on a southern accent really confounds the issue. I also thought Helen's ambiguous endpoint at the movie was a potential sign they were leaving the door open for her character to return in a future installment, which I wouldn't be opposed to because she has a neat little back and forth relationship with Blanc. It's something that's a bit at-odds with the anthology format but also has precedent in the genre? This could of course just be me being franchize-brained because so much of our media is too these days but...yeah it's unclear to me

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

see i remember feeling like the same could be true of marta, considering how much a rich friend might come in handy in blanc's line of work! i've come around to the idea that helen's last shot frames her as the mona lisa, with all that that implies, but i don't think it quite lands for whatever reason. as to monae's accent, yeah, it's weird because i know she lived a long time in atlanta, but there are all these little moments where it feels like she's trying just a bit too hard to polish the accent or something? there's a particular inflection she gives to "you know" at the end of this one line that rings like an alarm bell in my mind every time i remember it. idk it's weird, i still think she does a really good job most of the time!

[@birchwwolf]

29:58 the constant repetition for the audience stuff bugs me cause it doesn't let me as an audience member think and put the puzzle pieces together. it's turning our entertainment into baby videos where i need to keep counting to 5 to drill the lesson in. that final repetition of "Hindenburg" caused an eyeroll so swift the damn thing coulda popped out the socket.

[@curvilinearcube8716]

I caught the glass thing on the first watch and it basically spoiled the whole movie for me once the twin thing was revealed I put the whole thing together but i didn't feel very satisfied by figuring it out.

[@alexscriabin]

0:36 i watched it LOL

[@mollynoise]

🖤

[@VioletSadi]

I thought Dave Bautista was meant to be an Andrew Tate by way of The Quartering type, so the body type and tattoos didn't throw me

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

yeah i address that a bit later in the video

[@VioletSadi]

@let's talk about stuff. I saw! I believe I'm the same person as on patreon I definitely respect your preference and ability to get out of the way of cogno hazards like tate.

[@VioletSadi]

@let's talk about stuff. Janelle Monàe in the white door half strikes me as a third grade teacher? Maybe from middle class, kinda thing? Where her sister "played the game well" Also Netflix seems to airbrush the actors and the deaths more unless that's The Point Tee Em

[@marshalinehamismother]

hi i hope this doesn't come off as annoying but helen's twin is actually named Cassandra, not miranda and the often shorten her name to Andi. 💕💕💕

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

DAMN IT i am such a fool, thank you for the correction =_=

[@el_m3allem]

i kindof interpreted glass onion as an attempt to do a more explicitly racial commentary than knives out, and that's why the class component is a bit shallow. but it just falls flat on that front too. the tension between janelle monae and the scientist character is never elaborated, and i really disliked that they named the "andi" character "cassandra brand" and then never did anything with the obvious allusion to Sandra Bland.

[@blindjustice5695]

Ngl I actually didn't like glass onion, and while watching the film I swear I saw the glass switch and I was like "hold on a minute I just saw that" so maybe it just took me out of the film cause I felt like I knew who the killer was the whole time. The reveal of the twin was a meh feeling and the thoughtless agreements of the followers just felt wrong like seriously no one has a problem with this obvious murderer.

[@maduinargentus5878]

When the warning about relieving you of your ignorance came up it made me sad, becaus eHomestuck is kinda dead, partially because of Flash dying, partially other things, but I don't feel it can be truly enjoyed and liked in the way that it was in the moment :(

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

sure it can! it's the same as any other fiction, it can be read any time to the same effect. also the unofficial homestuck collection exists

[@maduinargentus5878]

@@letstalkaboutstuff What's the Unofficial Homsetuck Collection? Does it properly retain the interactive bits? Or that one time where Cascade expanded from from the "window" to the entire size of the page? Because I've tried re-reading HS in the years hence, and it just feels stilted when I get to a YT embed, or even worse, a still-frames recreation of game-like walkabout sections, etc.

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

@@maduinargentus5878 oh yeah, the UHC is a fanmade archive of everything homestuck programmed to perfectly recreate the website. it is imo the best and only way to read the comic bambosh.dev/unofficial-homestuck-collection/

[@FluxChanneler]

Where'd your friends get that statue on the left? I need one.

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

far as i know they got it at a thrift store u_u

[@emilybonar7449]

@@letstalkaboutstuff Damn, I love it and want one!

[@kazoobard8589]

i don't understand what you mean about marta's decision being left unanswered, to me the prominent "my house" on the mug felt like a very straightforward answer

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

her last spoken line of dialogue is "what do you think i should do?" the question of whether/how she chooses to help the thrombys from there is sort of the whole punchline of the movie, it's asking you what you would do in that situation and to imagine something else at the same time.

[@orifox1629]

I didn't enjoy this movie really at all. Like there were good shots but I really didn't find the characters particularly compelling and I didn't feel like any of them got really much exploration (maybe i'm just too much of a TV watcher and book reader and I expect too much from Film). But you really nailed my biggest gripe with the film: It didn't feel like a particularly satisfying mystery. After hearing so many good things about Knives Out, which I couldn't watch because of emetophobia, I was expecting a masterful really satisfying mystery and what I got just felt like spectacle and while there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, it's just not my jam. I'll probably give the next one a watch and maybe i'll like it more because I won't expect much, but yeah idk this was 100% not the movie for me even though I love a lot of the interesting things people have analyzed in the backgrounds. And as much as I love Benoit being friends with Sondheim, Angela Lansbury, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Natasha Lyonne, their brief cameo nor Daniel Craig's honestly fun performance were sufficient to carry the film for me

[@Itomon]

as you liked the first knives out more than glass onion, I must say I liked your video about knives out more than this one. Still, thanks for the video. Cheers

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

i'd agree with you on that one

[@TheSugarRay]

If it hadn't told so much, the movie would have gone right over Ben Shapiro's head

[@CoffinFullOfBees]

Duke is moreso Andrew Tate, which is a very beautiful thing because the week Glass Onion came out on Netflix is the week he was arrested.

[@VeritasUnae]

I do wonder if Alpha is trying to relate to Alphabet or Meta, these sort of “one level up” companies being established so websites like Google/KZbin or Facebook/Oculus can diversify their brands further. That, or it’s a direct parallel to Elon’s umbrella of SpaceEx, Tesla and PayPal (in the past) - though Twitter obviously joins this fray after the fact.

[@VeritasUnae]

oh I remembered my other thought I wonder how much Netflix pressed down on the work as well. I’ve started to notice the shot reverse shot reliance in some of their other projects (Matilda for example, as much as I adored it as a fan of the musical, had quite a bit of shot reverse shot that was painful to sit through) and I just wonder if there were problems in that regard too with Netflix as a production studio.

[@pssurvivor]

I felt dave bautista was more of a joe rogan type character

[@andrewcoyle_the3rd]

Foghorn

[@mileslugo6430]

Jared Leto and Jeremy Renner are cancelled? The guy with a Cult and an Avenger, are cancelled?

[@EmissaryofWind]

I thought Dave Bautista's character was mostly based on Joe Rogan

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Liked. Subbed. Fully belled-up. Here be good work of videoooo! Haven't seen any RJ movie ever tho I'm more biased towards RJ from listening to good smart observant people discuss his art + output. The aggro canon-clutching fans peddling nonsense outrage about his Cosmos-Battles Part Ronin Strikes Back just made me more pro-RJ. {I missed the trilogy, caught The Discourse} She had me at [paraphrasing] "hmm that part was cool & all, but as a working class person who's fantasized about destroying wealth-hoarder's dumb sh*t they care about more than another real alive thinking-feeling-sensing sentient being, it just wasn't as convincing as the expression of rage I believe that character would feel + act in the moment of the scene...bc it was too restrained...points taken off bc that character absolutely would + should have gone way more ham with her 'class warfare = glass warfare' victory-destruct-O..." This was great. Thanks for the video, Sara(h?) (sp? in my defence, I'm new here + this was a packed analysis with so many interesting ideas, my brain may have lost track. I'm trying tho! I'll catch up!) Also hey KZbin Susan! Thanks, your algorithm finally sent me somewhere fantastic again! It's been so long since that happened! It's so rare I'm gonna take this comment opportunity to practice some Arcane Engagementary, explicitly signalling my enthusiastic consent for this channel's content to Susan's Holy Equation so it sends me more, & give it key-word pats on the virtual heal, bc it was a very good Equation today, showing me this rad channel was perfect. Good Equation. Good job, Equation. & I'm totally onboard, so please keep me subbed, YT-Susan! Just saying, in case you...ha ha...uh...accidentally randomly unsub me again from bunches of my LGBTQIA2S+ Creators I sub to. I mean...it's a little weird, coz it keeps happening, like, 3x a year, with zero explanation, but ha ha YT-Susan you're right, I agree that's probably a Me-Thing & not your Equation. I'm lobbing praiseful keywords at your Holy Equation as offerings to beg our Math-ter not to purge my subs for...um...whatever the presumably rational reasons that happens for. Back to Sara(h?) tho...I h8 when people say "never change" as a compliment; it seems anti-personal growth + reflection, tho you really do seem perfect + Peak to me already. But I'm pro-self-growth/evolution/nurturing/discovery/ascension, so i'm just going to trust Sara(h?)'s wisdom to change as she pleases, however she feels is fitting, comfy, safe & part of the adventure of never-static life. I don't have the same qualms about saying "STAY GOLD" tho, bc Sara(h?) radiates goldenhearted-ness in a way that seems like it's a constant Sara(h?) quality. So, STAY GOLD & thanks! I'm excited to see more from the channel!

[@notsam7928]

Ok I actually thought a lot about why doing it in the order it was presented. Here's my theory. If you go in knowing about Helen and the email, what is the story? Miranda told everyone that she has evidence that would destroy Miles and then got killed. Whodunnit? Miles obviously. But they still wanted the twist to be that Miles is an idiot and can't do anything on his own. So they have to give you the red herring first before they even tell you there has been a murder.

[@ladyhoratia1709]

I loved both films equally and am curious as to what your thoughts are. Because in some ways I think glass onion is much stronger than knives out

[@LieseFury]

Is Genderpunk still coming?

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

someday maybe...

[@Pakewl]

I feel like a lot of your critic boils down to tone preference. Not all of it (the spelling out thing is very much not that and I think very true), but most of it. Glass Onion is a more stylized movie, the reality of the story is more hightened, almost cartoony, and that affect characters as well as the world building (like what the compagny does) or even the visuals. While already stylized, Knives Out was more grounded. I think both approach have their advantages when it comes to get a message across. You seem to prefer the somewhat grounded approach while the more hightened approach is the reason I prefer Glass Onion.

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

100% of my critique boils down to personal preference, because that is all criticism

[@mileslugo6430]

The Hunt did it better

[@marocat4749]

I think it had to be obvious enough to hit the message home, maybe thats why its sometimes unnessesary repeated?! I think that might that he really wanted a smart movie and respecting th audience but also, hit it home enough. Is that in the end the othr inluencer ar in on it and that if they inst her, they discriminated themelves too and took part. An will probably turn on each other anyway likely but they probably fear to go to court becaus they are complicit. It makes sense they dont talk about it. And the openness, that a question, ther i a big crack exposed and, maybe thats left open to anser yourself?! A concluion seems too irresponsible, and if it a movie to say f them, thats a question?!

[@mileslugo6430]

Has anyone ever told you you give off Revolutionary Socialist vibes

[@letstalkaboutstuff]

i've been called a tankie more than a few times and that's pretty close. definitely a vibe i aim for from time to time :3