Yeah there are plenty of other vamp Commander's but I don't think I'd say that they have pros that are equivalent to what Edgar brings to the table.
@wraithalcon2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Stefan is pretty good, but being able to populate the board so quickly with Edgar is much better.
@nathanl86222 жыл бұрын
@@wraithalcon I think that depends what you want to do with your deck. Edgar's better in terms of raw power, but Strefan lets you run a lot of the splashy expensive vampires that are too slow for Edgar.
@gageadams67472 жыл бұрын
@@nathanl8622 edgar is super easy to run with a lot of splashy cards, you just can't overflow your deck, you still get plenty of value
@vornsuki2 жыл бұрын
Strefan has a massive pro over Edgar. No one has gotten up and walked away from the table when I've sat down with Strefan.
@dapperghastmeowregard2 жыл бұрын
Kaalia has the advantage of they keep printing support for her since like every set is gonna have a dragon, demon, and/or angel.
@Jman15642 жыл бұрын
Ever since 2016, I've loved Yidris as an option. It's beautiful how open-ended he is as a commander, to the point that I've built him as Chaos, Larceny, and with the recent support for the mechanic, built to lean more into cascade. He'll probably always be my favorite commander
@ry7hym2 жыл бұрын
what is larcency?
@Jman15642 жыл бұрын
@@ry7hym an entire build around stealing other peoples' cards, and honestly it's really fun when no two games are the same that way
@Nanook1282 жыл бұрын
A friend build yidris as a 4 color zombie tribal deck that had a surprising amount of legs. It was pretty easy to resolve a living death that lets him kill the board
@psalvaro12 жыл бұрын
Been loving my Prossh since 2013 and with a few tweaks it's still strong even in a fast 1v1 format such as Centurion Commander. In fact, I placed 6th over 32 players at a National qualifier Lv 1 last Sunday where most of the meta was Shorikai, Grist, Tymna/Thrasios and its variants, Geist and crazily strong control decks. Most important part: it's kind of a glass cannon, but also superfun to play every single time.
@MsLuath2 жыл бұрын
Prossh is still my favorite deck.
@Bassvolt2 жыл бұрын
hell yeah dude, Prossh #1
@shadowofdread70182 жыл бұрын
My dyslexic ass read this as “Porsche” so I thought you were challenging people to 1v1s with a car deck lmao
@captianbacon2 жыл бұрын
I mean prossh just feels so linner though. Ramp ramp ramp ash alter can your comander 69 times goblin bombardment the table. I've seen it so many times it's just not fun looking at like viasvictus asmadi and zaotora have something interesting there trying to do not just combo and win.
@prop-a-gent2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see me OG commander, The Raidmother, making an appearance here. Gotta love some Gruul Spellslinging!
@Yig_al_Gaib42422 жыл бұрын
Nekusar was the first commander deck I built and I still run him to this day, one of my favorites and one of my best.
@hanschristopherson80562 жыл бұрын
I really like prossh been playing it for 8 years was also my first commander deck, I still like it because it doesn’t have the reputation of a korvold even though it is also really powerful
@clanechelon2 жыл бұрын
It did have a bad rep for quite a while. Prosh foodchain was the thing to fear for a good while. I guess now korvold did over shadow prosh a bit, but he is still a combo engine. I would be quite surprise to not see Prosh be removed on sight by any veteran player
@reznorcp41572 жыл бұрын
Tasigur, Prossh and Nekusar are all commander decks I have built and will never get rid of. Love them for their uniqueness and/or flexibility.
@allenjohnson73552 жыл бұрын
Zur will probably forever be the only Cedh deck I build. Not for lack of other good options, but because I don’t have the money to build another one lol.
@randommindz67822 жыл бұрын
Ur Dragon aged well simply because of new dragons making the dragon tribal theme that much more scary: Terror of the Peaks playing as a second Sourge of Valkas Goldspan Dragon and Old Gnawbone providing ramp Iymrith, Desert Doom playing as a second Dragonlord Ojutai and with the second D&D set, more dragons are going to help this deck.
@wheredango5 ай бұрын
i just got around to building an Edgar Markov commander, and after 1 game I totally love it! so much fun!
@darylmcnaughton7482 жыл бұрын
started my 5 color dragon deck in like 2011 with scion of the ur dragon and it was rough to build because of lack of good dragon support, swapped to ur dragon when that deck came out and now with all the support the deck has a critical mass point it can reach quickly and just go nuts. Been running Kaalia since she came out as well and prossh a little bit after he came out. all of these decks are still together being used still, 3 of my fav decks.
@Richthofen1002 жыл бұрын
Really like Tasigur. Very good value and can be built in many ways like landfall, control, graveyard etc
@TrueMiz2 жыл бұрын
I use him in a villainous wealth combo deck, and I love it, filling my graveyard with lands, use that saga that returns all lands to the battlefield from the graveyard? And then boom. Villainous wealth where X is like 30.
@soth59712 жыл бұрын
do a list of commanders that aged like milk
@andrewpeli90192 жыл бұрын
That's a long long list. Power creep is very evident for commanders especially. Many of the decks that I built 2 years ago can barely win games any more. My very first commander was Adun Oakenshield, I built him in 2008. I eventually stole the mana base and used it for a Vaevictus Asmadi, the Dire because Adun value was no longer a viable option.
@dapperghastmeowregard2 жыл бұрын
Basically anything over 5 mana not in green. Have fun setting up for 8 turns, getting your commander obliterated immediately (since the big bois have the double burden of costing a fuckton AND presumably being worth that price which makes them something your opponents will definitely want to save an answer for), then losing to a 1 card infinite next turn.
@adrianlankford57652 жыл бұрын
I would have to say that The first Sliver is, in my opinion, much better than The Sliver Overlord. It's been my experience that anytime you come to the table with Slivers, you are the primary target. While Overlord does give you access to your key slivers, it can rake time and you are limited in your mana output. The First Sliver allows you to completely overwhelm the board in as little as 1 turn before an opponent can get thru there turns and find a response.
@ZeratoGZ2 жыл бұрын
Tasigur was the first cEDH Commander I built around 2018, became my favorite instantly, first time I enjoyed playing blue in my life. Since then, Sultai has become one of my favorite 3-color combinations, been tweaking that deck as my prime commander ever since.
@Not_Ecrev2 жыл бұрын
After playing him for years i gotta say Chainer dementia master is an hidden gem. He truly feels like the one true necromancer commander and i had a lot of fun with him
@orfeo-7_2 жыл бұрын
That secret lair Ur-dragon is taking off in price quite nicely.
@hiygamer2 жыл бұрын
I used to have a Zur rebels deck. It used Zur to tutor up cards like Arcane Adaptation and Training Grounds so that my rebels could tutor up any creatures with useful ETB effects for next to no cost. I ended up dismantling the deck because it was too strong for my playgroup. As we've started getting spoilers for Baldur's Gate, I've been considering building a new Zur deck around background enchantments.
@d4bl0w2 жыл бұрын
Meren was the first Commander Deck I build 6 years ago. I have made some changes over the past years, but not many. But I can still whip her out from time to time and I mostly win with her :) But I played her so much back in the day, that I rarely do it :D
@TastySpray2 жыл бұрын
My to hahaha.. i could not play with it. I sold the deck, now it's 6 years. I will never build a meren deck again. I don't like the style of it:D give me Atraxa
@RatedManatee2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if the other Vampire stacks up as well as Edgar...
@realname44302 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to my older brother who got me the ur dragon commander precon to get me into commander
@justinfisher87492 жыл бұрын
I just started playing mtg my first deck is a merin commander deck I always have a blast playing it
@allenridenour18262 жыл бұрын
I'm happy atraxa was number 1. Little sad that locust god wasnt on the list, but eh.
@Apollo-vh3tb2 жыл бұрын
My Nekusar, Sliver Overlord and Animar decks are my absolute favorites. They can built to be fun and janky or fun with big power swings.
@Volttikoira2 жыл бұрын
Gotta shout out the goat mama Zedruu. While never strong power level wise, still plays unlike any other commander and is very fun to build around.
@victorvilla89242 жыл бұрын
Kresh has always been my favorite jund commander. He's so simple
@krunchyapples2 жыл бұрын
Really love me some Nekusar. Play something like Breathstealer's Crypt if you don't want your opponents to keep any creatures while drawing a bunch
@xtrunfe692 жыл бұрын
I have a Kaalia deck, always changing angels, dragons and demons around. One of the best commander options out there, if you like stuff like master of cruelties and other nasty beaters.
@williamkeiser7562 Жыл бұрын
I've always made dragon tribal with scion of the ur-dragon instead. I've always found it the superior option. Its cheaper, it tutors and opens the option to reanimate and heavily discount the cost of those expensive dragons.
@allobonjour97612 жыл бұрын
Ur dragon only gets better by the years tbh, and with the dnd set coming soon I'm sure there'll be new dragons that will make it even better
@baconsir11592 жыл бұрын
Are we getting another DnD set?
@matthewlewis66502 жыл бұрын
Battle for Baldurs Gate
@allobonjour97612 жыл бұрын
@@baconsir1159 yes, and it's a commander one
@emmanuelquaraniello23302 жыл бұрын
"You are not gonna play many creature if you play the first sliver (and you are right, you were talking about competitive) Me, an intellectual, playing 42 slivers + commander
@allobonjour97612 жыл бұрын
Ya love to see it lol
@MrGGLz2 жыл бұрын
I've built 4 of the 10, I have 1 of those still together and I'm planning on rebuilding a 2nd Sliver Overlord (still have) Brago Nekusar (planning to rebuild) Atraxa
@Dracomandriuthus2 жыл бұрын
I personally think Arcum is still a good commander, as the flexibility and versatility in how you can build him is very nice.
@lucasperrella92802 жыл бұрын
I think Zur might be the first commander I fell in love with. You can take it in endless directions. Superfriends, stax, cycling, rebels, cEDH, Voltron etc. I love it. Close second for me is kess for similar reasons. I instantly loved the scarab god but I've been struggling to build a deck I'm happy with
@MrMacdaddymcfly2 жыл бұрын
I use Riku as a RG spellslinger commander I have very few blue sources in the deck just in case I want to cast him because I feel he's still better than Wort being cheaper and not needing tokens to copy stuff
@jackmarino81622 жыл бұрын
My #1 is the Nyx pantheon. Every god of nyx is insanely playable (except Pharika).
@vornsuki2 жыл бұрын
One major problem with Edgar is that Eminence is so effectively broken that I've had players flat out refuse to play against it. Either I'm asked to play a different deck, or they leave the table. My regular pod banned all the Eminence commanders. Even the designers at WotC have admitted most of the Eminence commanders were a mistake with Edgar being the biggest of all. Funny enough, plenty of the most popular Commanders are considered design mistakes at WotC like Edgar, Yuriko, and Prosper.
@thedanath2 жыл бұрын
Edgar Markov probably will be the top tier Vampire commander for eternity. I disagree that the other Vampire options are even close to Edgars level. Evelyn and Strefan are ok, but there isnt a ton of support for blood tokens, and Evelyn wants vampires to work but i dont know if id call her a true tribal commander. Xenagos god of revels in my opinion has aged well and will always be a good commander
@vornsuki2 жыл бұрын
The support for Blood tokens comes in the form of general artifact support. Both those commanders also have a major bonus over Edgar depending on where and who you play with. Specifically, my regular pod hated Edgar so much that I wasn't allowed to play him. People at the LGS would often ask me to change decks or just get up and leave the table when I dropped him. Doesn't happen with the other two.
@thedanath2 жыл бұрын
@@vornsuki there are only 27 red/black cards that create a blood token in some way. At least a third of those are mediocre at best. Most of the rest are just one and done. The only "good" artifacts that create blood tokens are the Glass-Cast Heart and Ceremonial Knife. So no there really isnt enough support for blood tokens. Yes people hate Edgar because of the value he gives but he is still the best option for an actual vampire commander.
@vornsuki2 жыл бұрын
@@thedanath While all that is true for Blood tokens in specific, there is a metric boatload of support in R/B for Artifacts in general due to Treasures and Artifact Burn. Plenty of folk slide cards like Reckless Fireweaver and Cranial Plating into Strefan. Best is contingent on circumstance, which includes being allowed to play him at the table through outright house bans or being asked not to play the deck.
@TastySpray2 жыл бұрын
I builded a Kaalia the vast deck and Jared deck and Atraxa. If i play with those 3, Atraxa overpower everyone. If you think Atraxa is dead, she comes in to play. Put a counter on it, pro it at the end. It's a 6/6. Incredible, i played maybe 10 times agains Avancy, i only lost 2 times. Put some copy creatures, counterspells. And youre opponent can't do anything anymore. And i don't play Infect with Atraxa. If i do, my opponent has no change.
@kartzzy61012 жыл бұрын
I'd gladly challenge you on the best colorless commander. I'd say that crown goes to karn. He is a combo machine but you can also just make super fun decks with him that just beat cheeks.
@TheNox11382 жыл бұрын
I think Animar aged pretty well too! Maybe too well. 🤪
@mr.mammuthusafricanavus82992 жыл бұрын
Ghaves my old time fave :P
@JulianHernandez-tn5gu2 жыл бұрын
Brago is still real good but his real competition is probably Yorion who can also blink more than 1 permanent at a time. Also Yorion can loop but is less consistent that Brago's combat damage trigger
@socialdistancing12892 жыл бұрын
kaalia will always be my fav commander she does attract some agro from the rest of the players XD
@daviddenslow17922 жыл бұрын
(sees Nekusar) (Thinks of half-built xyris deck) (wants to finish the deck)
@UniversalJuan2 жыл бұрын
Sliver Overlord + Mana Echoes + ??? = Profit!
@tackle472 жыл бұрын
3 I think you are mistaken on. 1. Edgar is easily the most powerful Vampire, not even debatable 2. Scion of the Ur-Dragon is superior to Ur-Dragon, cheaper, toolbox commander, really shines with reanimation 3, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth vs Kozilek, the Great Distortion. I have had Kozi as a Commander for years. Annihilate is more powerful then the counter ability. The counter ability is dependent on you having the correct casting cost in hand. Annihilate always hits. Plus the card draw of OG Kozi is ALWAYS on line. Many times have I cart a Kozi with 5 cards in hand or more. Great Distortion nuts 1 or 2 cards. OG nets 4 each time.
@Slim33982 жыл бұрын
Thank you for confirming Ur-Dragon is better than Tiamat
@FanzyWanzy2 жыл бұрын
Ur-dragon is a better dragon tribal commander, Tiamat is a better combo commander with the dragons she pulls
@Slim33982 жыл бұрын
@@FanzyWanzy yes ur dragon is not a combo commander
@jacc18542 жыл бұрын
A bit sad Narset wasn't here :(
@trickst3rgod3142 жыл бұрын
What about Thrasios?
@pokugrf40002 жыл бұрын
I'd like more 4 colour commanders. I know it's a weird design space but there being less then 3 options (outside of partners) is wack
@DCII2 жыл бұрын
Marath Will of the Wild gets snubbed again. That's ok, I'll just continue to sneak under the radar with the best commander ever. 😉
@spagandhi2 жыл бұрын
I’ll build a Zur deck as soon as necropotence gets banned lmaoo
@captianbacon2 жыл бұрын
You could say she's the completed package...
@Turkin4tor2 жыл бұрын
YO PROSSH LET'S GO
@Ekair422 жыл бұрын
I feel that yorion right now is better than Brago in mass blinkin
@lokiriver93312 жыл бұрын
no animar?
@noahpatch14832 жыл бұрын
A mini toe?? Smh
@skullkrusher-dx4kg2 жыл бұрын
Ur dragon scion and tiamat are better if your trying to combo with dragons.
@zealous9442 жыл бұрын
archades
@Bassvolt2 жыл бұрын
Prossh is still the best fight me 😤
@Interrobang2122 жыл бұрын
korvold is right over there yo
@Bassvolt2 жыл бұрын
@@Interrobang212 nope, into the 99 he goes
@allobonjour97612 жыл бұрын
@@Bassvolt that's dedication lol
@randommindz67822 жыл бұрын
@@Bassvolt same
@spudster88872 жыл бұрын
Maybe a hot take, but i don't understand how the ur dragon aged well when scion is just better than it in every measurable way
@ZhysaytheBandit2 жыл бұрын
Scion is a Voltron strategy, Ur-Dragon is a tribal dragon strategy.
@spudster88872 жыл бұрын
@@ZhysaytheBandit scion is also very much tribal dragon ....