Top 10 JRPGs Everybody Hates But I Don't

[@c31l]

I am one of the few defenders of FF13. Yes the combat system was sorely lacking, but it's story is really good. The characters all felt like they were important. Like they needed to be there. They all had good arcs. I also had a lot of fun with 13-2 and Lighting Returns

[@useless1]

I think FF13 would have been received much better if it wasn't released as an FF game. If it was a new Title it could be a hidden gem or whatever. But not a bad game overall

[@joekline5171]

Should have used star ocean till the end of time's combat system

[@Darskul]

Lightning was an awful character, everyone else was pretty good. In fact I'd argue Lightning was a better character in Dissidia 012 then in FF13. Her range of emotions is pretty good. I also enjoyed the music in FF13 though.

[@ryan_deakin]

Ff13 is one of my favourite games ever . Sooo character focused. All the characters bounce off each other in different ways. The combat is also very addictive in my opinion

[@PuffZombie]

Well, FF13 is not bad game its just not for everyone - and not only because of battle mechanics (which is OK, in my opinion). Me personally didnt like this game too, but its just because its didnt hook me, not because its awful or something.

[@Underournorthernstar]

It hurts that shadow hearts ended, i loved every single one of the games. Incredible stories, incredible references. Fantastic locations and even some weird thrown in. Not even mentioning the amazing battle system. I love them all. Koudelka included.

[@poopikins]

I just got 1-3. Played a little to test them. I'm loving them already. Just that little touch of timing to get boost or failure, it makes battles so much more engaging.

[@ArtFenixAsordis]

Correction: Fire Emblem Revelations DOES exist in physical form as a part of the collector's edition released in all three main regions (Japan, USA and Europe). I personally own one (European). Needless to say, it costs a lot now.

[@lioneart19]

As far as I know it's a myth that Balthier was supposed to be the main character of FFXII. I think Vaan was chosen from the beginning (by executives, yes). And I do think it would feel less like a FF without Vaan and Penello.

[@nightmarishcompositions4536]

Tales of Legendia was one of the first games I played as a kid that actually made me cry, the story was very engaging and emotional at times!

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

Also, I treat my JRPGS like interactive books. So you could say that writing is literally everything to me. That being said, I can enjoy something ironically if it's badly written. But only if it reaches a certain threshold of "bad". On the other hand, a plot that could otherwise be intriguing to me, could be completely undercut by a few poorly written elements.

[@jwolf2074]

People hate fates, through principle. People voted with their money to let nintendo know it wasn't a good idea because, it was a scummy practice to separate the game into three games. They are so similar that they could have made one game. I think people never really got over how cheated they felt when the games were separated. I was able to snag the collectors edition and have all the games on one cartridge but having to buy each separate would have definitely put a sour taste in my mouth as well.

[@ErickLandonRPG]

That's still not reason enough to hate the game itself. Hate the creators for making such a stupid decision (cause I agree with you), but it's not a bad game at all.

[@Just-a-Canuck]

Pokémon does this every time they release a game... I liked fates, way more then echos

[@arturboy777]

Pokemon games at least were meant so that you could trade pokemon with your friends and not so that you had to buy two games for the full experience, but I still it's a stupid gimmick and after they made Yellow they should have realized that they should only release one.

[@-lord1754]

There is more issues than just that. Plus, Id argue it is actually pretty justified considering all routes have different design philosophies

[@优雨-k1v]

Fire emblem fate is so nicely designed for its map and class, all three version of the game have different maps ,class and characters. They can be taken as different games. It is separated but it deserves it! I really agree with Erick that it is not a bad game at all.

[@jongibson4866]

Okay, Erick, I need to know... the main reason/fear I've always had about Valkyie Profile is that it was time-based and unplayable if you want to take your time with it. Can you tell me what I have right and what I have completely wrong about it?

[@svartedauden3566]

found your channel a few days ago. keep up the good work.

[@ErickLandonRPG]

Thank you!

[@saitoshion3312]

Final fantasy 8 everybody hates but i don't

[@jongibson4866]

If the writing weren't so silly, I might want to finish the game, but you don't have a line in the script that says "Don't use magic; it makes you lose your memory." and then in the rest of the game, EVERYONE completely disregards this warning as if it was never said at all. Why did they say it if they're not even going to remember it was even said?

[@cmdrleonhart]

Final Fantasy 8 is my all time favourite Final Fantasy game. I also adore 12 and Type-0.

[@SanNico]

@@jongibson4866 They used it because there was no other option, they explicitly salid that.

[@David_Alvarez77]

Many of the complaints against FF8 are pretty petty. The fact is that the premise of most Final Fantasy games are odd, but that does not prevent people from liking them. The real problem with FF8 was more likely its draw system and the button mashing with the GF, but I still enjoyed the game over all, and Laguna and friends makes up for pretty much everything anyways.

[@Pcbore]

I don't hate on FF8, I think it's easily got one of the best stories in the Final Fantasy franchise, but I think the junction system needed more work to make it more balanced. I remember finding the Triple - Speed junction, and after that most enemies never got a turn in.

[@blahtoblahtoto6441]

I like Suikoden 4, what I don't like is the random enemy encounter every 3 seconds especially when you're in the ship.

[@briandaniel7514]

What killed me in Suikoden 4 was not only the high encounter rate but the fact that how slow the ship travel was while traveling between the islands not to mention trying to map all the islands while on the ship much less trying to land on said islands ugh!!! Liked the story tho...100% that game tho... Suikoden series ruled

[@Dermetsu]

@@briandaniel7514 did you try pressing R1? That makes the ship go faster.

[@briandaniel7514]

@@Dermetsu definitely but in the original, it didn't help a whole lot lol...it just felt like eternity to get from on place to the next... I love the series and Ive beat all of them but Suikoden 4 was definitely the one I would struggle to replay

[@NerdyShawn]

19:30 Fire Emblem fates special edition cartridge does have the “Revelations” line in physical form. I tracked down a copy with case, I believe it was bundled with the fire emblem 3ds console.

[@sorenvanaheim776]

Oooh that Tales of Symphonia 2 take was something, and whereas I don’t hate the game I have a lot of issues that add up, 1: The story was alright but nothing crazy, the new characters were only okay, but how they treated the original cast was really what did it for me, as someone who would still say the original Symphonia is an absolute masterpiece it just felt meh. I wish it was better and something that I really enjoyed. I’ve thought of some interesting fan fiction writing idea with the Tales series and I’d love to write how I would have told the story.

[@bobbyphillips1077]

I totally feel you on The Last Hope. Maybe it's the fact that I hadn't played any of the previous Star Oceans when I first bought it, but it was a breath of fresh air compared to the 7th gen's other offerings.

[@KittyKatt_Luna80s]

Agreed! :-)

[@Kymewc]

I personally like the last hope too to me it had the best battle system when it came to combos loved the battles

[@bustergundo516]

What do you use to record gameplay footage? What about 3ds footage as well?

[@ClefGamerFilosofo]

Just a little something that is a little bit unknown about Shadow Hearts: there are actually 4 games. Koudelka is the first in the series, the only one who does not have the same name.

[@mikebeck9918]

Good list! I agree with you on Tales of Legendia. It is an underrated masterpiece! The character development is some of the best I've ever seen. Every character you play as fights differently, which allows the player to keep the battles fresh. The music is sensational! You'll find yourself humming the tunes when you're not playing the game. There is so much depth to the story and it's characters, giving the player such an emotional connection to it all. To add a game that I liked and everyone else hated, it is The Last Remnant. I know you gave up on this game Eric, but if you level up your party early in the game and balance the teams with effective healers and brawlers, you'll breeze through most of the game. There are also characters you can recruit later in the game that contribute substantially in battles.

[@WaammplerSM]

Glad I came across your channel. Great work.

[@ErickLandonRPG]

Thank you.

[@foglienifgo]

I''m totally with you on Tales of Legendia. I also liked it so much I feel sad knowing that it probably will never receive a remaster for new consoles because of all the hatred. Great video! Thanks!

[@ronnycook3569]

I didn't hate Tales of Zestiria, but I was disappointed by it. Firstly, it struck me as rather short - I reached the end and thought "is that it?" Secondly, because the pseudo open world places some fairly tight restrictions on travel at times, so I wound up finishing the game with several side quests unfinished - not because my party was incapable, but because the game wouldn't let me go where I needed to go to finish. Finally, because while I started off enjoying the battle system, they kept layering on additional systems to the point where I gave up and just switched all my characters to auto. Since the combat was always the main plus point for the series for me, that was very disappointing. Of the other games you mention, the ones I've played I've mostly enjoyed. There are MUCH worse JRPGs out there.

[@homejonny9326]

Very nice video. What about a video about "RPG's I didn't like but now I do", and vice-versa?

[@friednoodle6582]

Bro i only stumbled on your channel through your first what the hell happened video and that was a couple of months ago, i got hooked so i binged watch every video you have, man i love how you put classic bgm from every game that i played, this time it's from my fave FF of all time FFIX the bgm Treno love doing auctions there lol

[@ErickLandonRPG]

Thanks, man, I'm glad you like my channel!

[@friednoodle6582]

You're welcome! Still waiting for what the hell happened to Final Fantasy Haha!

[@thealmightyultimus3832]

Personally I really like Final Fantasy XIII. I can certainly understand why people hate it, and maybe I'm biased since it was my first ever Final Fantasy game, but I have quite fond memories of it. Even find myself going back and playing it every now and again, though not too much these days with how much of a back log I have. Oh, and Blue Dragon too. Maybe it's not hated, but I seriously don't think it got the love it deserved, if that makes sense

[@nathankeene9236]

Stella deus was one of my favorite strategy games ever made. I LOVE that game! That being said I was totally amazed that final fantasy xii saw a ps4 release. It's a great game and I always hated that Japan got the zodiac job system release and we never did so I was thrilled.

[@NorthSide050]

star ocean... difficulty spikes, i played the game, then when i reaching the final level the first encounter, if i remember correctly black soldiers. they just kept killing me so easy. i just couldnt understand, how did i get slaughtered like that?

[@lingivey36]

I actually agree with these choices. I’m a huge suikoden fan and 4 is the weakest but I never thought it was like bad or worth hate. I also enjoyed legendia and shadow heart 3. Just cause a game may not live up to its predecessors doesn’t mean it’s bad or worth hating.

[@13Carrey1]

I personally LOVED the Final Fantasy 13 Trilogy. For me now from what I saw is FF Origin Stranger of Paradide the FF Game which will ruin the Franchise.. I liked every FF Game. And I played A LOT. Ok still need to give FF 12 a 2nd Chance on the Switch but I don't think that it is not so bad like this one..

[@billywalkerjr.9753]

Square Enix created FF XII for me, but generously allowed others to discover its unparalleled beauty.

[@FredHerbert999]

I feel the same about tri-Ace and Enix with Valkyrie Profile. That game changed me. A real spiritual experience.

[@Cons00mer]

Yeah, I will say that while it's story isn't "the best", it is mechanically and gameplay-wise the best final fantasy game, which to me, who spent hundreds of hours grinding 7,8, and 9 back in '99 and 2000, makes it the best final fantasy game, period.

[@FreeRPGer]

I only saw the 1st game you mention (Star Ocean) & I had to leave a comment. Will continue watching the rest after this. But I *love* the Star Ocean series (except Integrity), & I also LOVE The Last Hope International. In fact, I named my dog Reimi after this game, due to the character's inner strength, and her name's meaning, itself (most faithful & loyal companion in Chinese). Now to watch the rest of this vid. (There'll likely be others I love, too).

[@MrSpectralfire]

I've never played Legendia because it's not multiplayer and that's what I play them for. My wife my son and I play them together. Most people hate Graces and Graces F is our favorite Tales game. We loved seeing them go from children to adults and the after story in F was fantastic.

[@peachysupreme7634]

MrSpectralfire graces f has such an amazing battle system.

[@sillyrascal]

Have you ever played Dragon Quest Builders, White Knight Chronicles, or Ni No Kuni? I haven't tried those yet, so I was wondering if you ever mentioned them in any of your videos.

[@ErickLandonRPG]

I haven't played DQ Builders. The other 2, I have. For Ni No Kuni, there's a counterpart video to this one, called the opposite: Top 10 JRPGs everybody loves but I don't. You'll see it there. As for WKC, I've played it and it's amazing, very good, but also very short, that is its only downfall, other than that, it's great.

[@newageBoundhippie]

Fates is one of my favorite FE games....and I know a lot of "hardcore" fans hate me for saying this but it's in part due to the Phoenix Mode. I care more about story & characters than the intense challenge, so I had a lot of fun playing through Fates. I even enjoyed the story ( I have the physical copy of Birthright, but I have yet to get Conquest & Revelations ). It's actually Ashe was meant to be FFXII's protagonist not Basch....and I'm actually one of the fans who loved X-2 ( the music, classic ATB battle system and Dress sphere job system were amazing IMO ). I enjoy XII as well, but man that license grid was taken a few steps too far IMO. I had trouble getting that into Zesteria, but I don't hate it. Frankly IMO the worst Tales of games are Dawn of the New World, Xillia 2 and the Tales of the World spin-offs. Main reason I didn't like Dawn of the New World was that I just didn't care for the monster catching system ( I didn't mind Emille himself, and I love that he's voiced by Johnny Bosch ) but the Wii controls were terrible ( I bought the PS3 HD ports but haven't gotten around to downloading/installing them yet ) Suikoden IV is a fun game....III on the other hand, has the WORST army battles in the series ( though I can't speak for V or Tierkreis ) which makes me hate it slightly.... a few I love but a lot of people seem to hate: Pokemon gens 6 & 7 ( seriously, hating the games for being "too easy" is just a stupid reason especially for a Pokemon game ) Final Fantasy XIII-2 ( it made all the right improvements on XIII's gameplay and it was fun....still has problems but not bad ) Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria ( at least I think it's hated, given that people only ever seem to talk about the original... ) Grandia III ( I just enjoyed it, never understood the hate it gets )

[@adamclark8994]

People hated FF12? That game is loved and so popular now. Life is strange..

[@ErickLandonRPG]

I guess it's loved and popular due to the remaster in PS4, but before it I remember people always bashing that game for being different.

[@adamclark8994]

I know what you mean.

[@KociolxD]

People, me included, expected another classic, turn based FF. XII is great game, but shitty Final Fantasy. So are all next installments. Except Bravely duology xD

[@Chelaxim]

Final Fantasy XII and Final Fantasy XIII-2 are only 2 of 25 games to receive a perfect score from Famitsu magazine.

[@nickwest932]

FF12 is where Sqenix lost their way with the whole franchise. It wasn't until Bravely Default that we saw a real FF game, but it is not a part FF the franchise. Having said that, I did enjoy FF12 and it was a good game when I forgot it was Final Fantasy.

[@EscaVODS]

Wow, that artsyle of Stella Deus looks nice and detailed af.

[@thejoshadams6]

Yeah, the hate for Final Fantasy started when 11 was released as an online only game. Then 12 comes out and it's radically different from every Final Fantasy game before it. I personally thought it was awesome, but fans wanted their traditional Final Fantasy back.

[@jasonpeters4125]

Final fantasy 12 was my favorite but you have to have the strategy guide because it gets really difficult

[@anderacpharmd]

Thanks for your videos-I agree with almost all you post regarding RPGs. Stella Deus reminds me of Xenogears graphically, how is the story compared to Xenogears?

[@ErickLandonRPG]

Nope, not even close in terms of story. Xenogears is, in my opinion, the best story ever in a JRPG. Stella's story is meh... not bad, but not good either, just generic but okay.

[@anderacpharmd]

Any RPGs out there with a story ALMOST as good as Xenogears' story (because nothing, with the possible exception of Chrono Cross, could ever equal)?

[@ErickLandonRPG]

Check out my Top 10 Best JRPG Stories. It's got tons of GREAT recommendations from me and also some honorable mentions!

[@anderacpharmd]

Is Lost Oddyssey available for download on XBOX One?

[@ErickLandonRPG]

I don't know, I don't have an Xbox One.

[@Minamoto1989]

I discovered your channel recently. Very nice show! I love jrpg as you do and I think it is always good to have someone remembering the new generations about real good games. As for this video, I agree with you especially with star ocean 4. Solid game, maybe the story is simplistic, but I had hella fun with it. Final fantasy XII on the other hand, I feel like the hate is legit. I have fun with ff xii, a lot of fun, the gamplay is solid. Probably one of the best gamplay system in the entire series, but I really hated the writing. The plot was very promising and interesting, but the lack of dialogues and direction ruined it.

[@jadefire6231]

I am two years late, but who cares? I'm happy you put Tales of Zestiria on here, because that game was actually my entry into the Tales series, and I love it. I really don't understand the hate for this game. It's amazing - I'll admit the cutscenes are a bit slow and awkward, and while it does feel like you move very slowly at first, you're actually moving faster than you think if you look at the map and follow your icon. I also know Eizen is in Berseria, which I plan to play once I finish Zestiria (which I haven't gotten around to cause I didn't have a computer for a while - I got the Steam versions), and I'm definitely excited for that. As a side note, I also grabbed Tales of Symphonia while it was listed at $4.99 during the Steam Summer Sale, and I'm loving that game too. I definitely want Tales of Vesperia, as well as the two Tales of Xillia games (if I can ever find a way to get them without having to buy a PS3, I might have to settle for watching playthroughs unfortunately). I actually even pre-registered for Tales of Crestoria on mobile, and it just got installed today so I'm absolutely gonna play that when it officially launches - the beta gameplay I watched has already made me invested in the story.

[@ned993]

Honestly, Zestiria is easily one of the most overhated Tales games. Sure, it had its flaws, but it was still a lot of fun, and the cast was some of the most endearing Tales casts I've come across. Also people call this the worst while forgetting about the atrocity that was Tempest or the trainwreck that was Graces F's story (even if its gameplay was awesome.).

[@ErickLandonRPG]

I personally like every single Tales of, even Tempest and Graces. The only ones I haven't played are Berseria and Hearts.

[@ned993]

You should totally play them both if you can get the consoles, they're both fantastic games. Hearts R in particular has an awesome battle system.

[@itzmeAG]

agree, imo the gameplay is pretty fun, but the story is not engaging at all, forcing me to quit 20hours in

[@Nagalior]

I got Zestiria in Japanese when it first came out, I was dissapointed because of 4 simple reasons(from weakest to strongest): 1- Graphic was pixelated, yes, a PS3 with PIXELATED graphic, are you kidding me? 2- Awful camera during combat, often the camera get obscured by objects and you can't control it at all so basically you'll be fighting in the blind. The idea of "on the spot battle" is cool, but at least think about the walls 3- Sorey has ZERO to NONE personality, he might as well stay mute and nobody would notice any difference 4- Absolutely force story change/twist, yes I'm talking about Alisha being kicked permanently from the party and you can still buy her gears later in the game which shows how the change was an unexpected rush job. Even voice actress of Rose apologized and thanked fans for not hating her because how all of sudden the entire game warps around Rose. Most Tales fans play TO series for the characters interactions and TOZ totally ruined it.

[@dreamcaster100]

@@ErickLandonRPG I do not recommend Hearts R. I even go so far as to say that if it wasn't for Symphonia and Vesperia, it would've turned me off of the Tales of series as a whole.

[@ozwell1088]

Yeah, I do kinda hate (not really) you for Liking Symphonia 2. Not that I especially love Symphonia, but Symphonia 2 WAS super garbage. Reason I liked Symphonia was mostly because it was a prequel to one of my favorite Tales games, the first Tales game, Tales of Phantasia.

[@RyeAkai]

My experience with these games: Star Ocean 4: Played like 6 hours or something like that back in the PS3. I remember a lot of hate in the dub, and I felt it was very well deserved, but PS3 had japanese so no biggie for me. I do remember not liking the camera angles while exploring. Other than that, I really had no problem with the characters so far and I always loved SO battle system. I've been meaning to play this again in the PS4 remaster version. It would have to be incredibly great to surpass SO3 in my eyes though, but I'm confident I'll enjoy playing it again. Shadow Hearts 3: I have a confession: I've never played the Shadow Hearts franchise. Tales of Legendia: This game is amazing! Still the best OST of all the Tales franchise, an overall great cast of character and a very enjoyable story. Graphics were mediocre for its time, sure, and dungeon design was pretty much awful (I remember finishing a battle and always wondering in which direction was I going). Fuck Shirley though. Seriously, fuck Shirley. Still a beloved Tales for me. Stella Deus: Never played this one. Looks like a game I would enjoy. Mimana: Sorry, I have to count myself among people who didn't really enjoy it that much. Can't say it was really good. I don't "hate" it and I actually did have a degree of fun with its cliché story and its characters, but the gameplay was pretty damn bad. I remember the battle system was really flawed. Suikoden 4: This game is great. It's still a Suikoden and I love it. Boat travelling was kinda bad but the story was really good even if short and the Suikoden system is always a joy. It was also a problem having just 3 fighters in a game with so many playable characters. True, I'd rather play 1, 2, 3 or 5, but that does not make Suikoden IV bad, the others are just incredibly good. And yes, Suikoden V is arguably the best Suikoden for me too, though I admit the most famous Suikoden II is also freaking amazing, so it's a bit of a toss-up for me. Final Fantasy XII: It's not among my favorite FF games, but I don't consider it the killer of the franchise either. That goes to FFXIII. I never really liked the main characters too much, except Balthier maybe, and that in itself is a huge hit. The gambit system quickly became a bit too abusable for me, but it was very creative and I could still applaud it. While I didn't really like the characters, I did love the Ivalice setting and the story of the game. And even to this day, I think this game is looks beautiful. Music is on point too, but that's a given even today with FF. Tales of Zestiria: I admit I was convinced against playing the game here. Lots of people that enjoy the franchise talked me really bad about Zestiria, so I never gave it any priority. I did watch the anime as a follow-up after playing Berseria. I actually have the game, but like I said, never been a priority to play so far. Tales of Symphonia 2: I will start by saying I like Symphonia 1, but it's probably not on my top 5 Tales game. Maybe because of this, I actually still haven't played the sequel. Fire Emblem Corrin: I can agree with this opinion. I consider it the worst in the franchise because I didn't like characters, world or story really. But the game is still a Fire Emblem and the gameplay is still a Fire Emblem, which is something I will always enjoy. Also, I think Fire Emblem has never been the epitome of storytelling really, the problem is that we didn't have the likeable characters here.

[@Baoran]

I have never heard anyone saying that they hate final fantasy XII. I thought it was a good game that got good reviews.

[@glorkbork776]

I like Legendia, it went back to the linear battle system that I personally prefer from the older Tales games, having the grappler be the main character was an odd choice, but as you say, about half an hour into the game you get a standard sword user anyway, and the fact that the typical JRPG defeat God and avert the apocalypse plot is basically over at the halfway point of the game is refreshing.

[@OtakuDaiKun]

What about Legendia's story was that great? I found it to be the most shallow.

[@abajama]

Kingdom hearts re chain of memories. I looooooved the combat and the story was superb. So strange how I love the game for the very reason everybody else hates it.

[@Jack_80]

re chain is so addictive once you begin to understand the card system. most people want games to be simple and hold your hand so when a game like that comes along and requires some thought and patience to learn, they give up on it before really giving it a chance. of course everyone loves kh3 and imo kh3 is complete garbage compared to re chain, the story, combat, and even the voice acting in re chain are far superior to kh3, but 3 is easy and simple so it's loved by the majority.

[@Micchi-]

I hate kingdom hearts in general

[@Mr3DLC]

Re chain of memories is probably the only non number game that deserves a like 358 was dull Coded was jank Bbs lost much of its function after the move to console destroyed the multiplayer Dream drop was just pokemon and was way too short

[@AnthroFox99]

To me RE: chain felt like it lost a ton of the charm in the transition form the 2d to 3d.

[@juniorcosta5762]

Hi !! Erick do you like front mission series ?

[@ErickLandonRPG]

No =( I know they're great games (one of my best friend is a huge fan of those) but they're just not my cup of tea, to be honest.

[@pmushroom]

I did enjoy Legendia's story, but my main complaint with that game was using items to cast spells, like ingredients for cooking. Some of these items required an awful amount of grinding as well for a one time use.

[@paullavoie5542]

Beat Star Ocean 3. Didn't do last dungeon after I beat the game. Not interested in collecting to level 400 or what ever.

[@WilliamWallace-re4bc]

About the Tales of Symphonia games... I suggest getting the Game Cube versions. Those games run at a buttery smooth framerate of 60hz while wile the PS3 version is locked at 30hz.

[@ErickLandonRPG]

I didn't actually know that. But in terms of controls, I'd rather play ToS2 in the PS3 than on the damn Wii.

[@WilliamWallace-re4bc]

I «think» Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World also came out on the Game Cube. As for PS3 ports of Wii games I «strongly» suggest getting Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny.

[@ISSO1407]

Symphonia 2 is just a huge dungheap smeared over the legacy of 1. It even taunts you and spits you in the face by showing you actual characters that you love but cant play as npcs every now and then. Theres 2 things that are better, Animations of characters and the battle system itself flows better. Everything else is horrible or plagued by obvious budget issues because Vesperia got all the development moneys, especially the male main character. This game is legitimately the first game ever and since that made me ragequit because of a character in it and i played several thousands. I did ragequit after like 2 hours and didnt play the game for 3 years because of that braindead whiny bastard. I picked it up again on the PS3 because im a Trophy/Achievemnt whore and i admit that the last few (2~3) hours or so in the game get a lot better but the whole experience is just a cruel joke for most people that played 1. It was basically the same EA does with all their Sports franchises, rerelease older games with cut out features but slightly better graphics and see the peasants squirm after they wasted their money for a shitty low budget product.

[@Moon-rune]

glad you speak about Mimana chronicles i love that game so much & have played through every endings ,i wish they would make a sequel someday

[@alex-rf5ze]

Also on symphonya 2 the main characters alter ego is actually the voice actor of echigo from bleach

[@michaelc.1710]

I'm playing Tales of Zestiria at the moment as my first Tales game. What's different about it that's controversial amongst fans? My view coming into it completely uninitiated is that it's ok, I'm having fun, but it feels a bit low budget, a bit cliched in terms of story and the battle system is really poorly explained (it bombards you with text about the mechanics early on rather than easing you in or demonstrating them). Are those things particular to this game or are they fair criticisms of the series as a whole?

[@_mako]

im a simple guy. i see tales of zestiria, i click.

[@GarageKast]

Wow Final Fantasy 12 is my second favorite game in the whole franchise lol

[@SaberisloveSaberislife]

I loved every main Final Fantasy titles except for X-2, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. Even though everyone hates FF XIII I liked it. I thought it had a good ending that was ruined by XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. I also loved every Tales of game starting from Symphonia onwards since I never played the older games before that. I can overlook the flaws if the battle system and story is good which they are to me.

[@Epigz418]

I agree with you on a few of these, as most I haven’t played yet, but this video makes me want to give them a shot. Tales of Zestiria was my first tales game so maybe that’s why I liked it because I didn’t have anything to compare it to, but it had a nice story, and good characters, nothing I’ve never seen before but a charming game for sure. I actually loved fire emblem conquest and birthright and thought they were great games. I understand the criticisms as conquest and birthright have very similar stories and end goals, and you have to pay extra for revelations to get the “true ending” but the characters, more specifically your siblings in each games are fantastic, and of course the game play was great like in any other fire emblem game. Great video Erick and I’m looking forward to the next list!

[@MegaLagann]

Fire Emblem Fates can't be the worst game in the series when Shadow Dragon exists and if anyone says otherwise they're fucking delusional.

[@moogleking]

star ocean the last hope i liked that game a lot spent like 300 hours in order to beat the secret boss ethereal queen

[@Jellordgames]

I liked tales of legendia but I put I down in the second half. I felt like they checked out at some point but what made that clear is the voice acting stopped after what seemed to me to be the end of the game. Also they just changed the enemy color pallets and made them stronger. You also end up revisiting nearly every location. I don't hate it though and I just considered the second half to be post game so from that perspective I like it.

[@6fingers_gaming]

I’m a fan of the tales series, the only thing I hate about tales of Zestiria is the camera in battle, it’s just a drone flying around not a see through walls, you can’t focus if you’re fighting enemies in narrow places.

[@yama6767]

I don't like that Star Ocean due to the plot, characters, Item creation and characters werent as fun as three imo

[@Mr3DLC]

Youre probably right but that mine turtle minigame early game was a dealbreaker for me :( Plus i dont like being unable to skip cutscenes midway

[@Oddragnar]

Comparing your two videos; this one and the one where you hate 10 games others love - your metric is extremely arbitrary to the point where it doesn't make much sense. On this list you "like" a game because it's playable at all, on the other list you say you like almost everything about some game but not as much as others and therefore you dislike it (?). My point is that the format make little sense for these videos.

[@johnbrown15]

I actually *really* like the Zestiria combat. It's other elements that compare poorly against other Tales games for me. The story constantly rehashes the same simple themes without much plot development, the towns feel hollow with no real NPC characters and no buildings to enter, and the dungeons barely have enough design to count as dungeons. Berseria very clearly recognized these issues and went at least some ways in righting them, although I still prefer Zestiria's combat.

[@anderacpharmd]

Thanks, Erick, for the shout out Star Ocean: The Last Hope. I agree, it's the best Star Ocean game, and very underrated for some reason. The battle system was very entertaining.

[@Viltim2]

Hi, Eric. First of all, I really like your videos. Keep up the good work that you already been doing. I'm from Brazil and if my english fails at one point of this comment, please forgive me. hahahahah I haven't played all of the games that are on this list, but I will comment on those that I didn't like that much. (hate is a really strong word hahahah) Shadow Hearts FTNW: This is really the weakest game of the franchise, but I agree with you. It's not that bad and I didn't knew that this game is hated so much. The only reason I can think of is the main protagonist. Yuri has a really strong presence and charisma and the protagonist of this game is not that badass. Tales of Legendia: MAN, I really didn't like this game. For me, it's the worst of all series. The story is good until the middle of the game, afterwards it's annoying and tedious. The characters are good and really have personality. I think that this is the only thing that kept me in the game until the end. The battle system it's the worst. Really repetitive and that "special bar" it's not really helpfull. This game doesn't have mystical artes and for a Tales games it's important, IMO. Suikoden IV: The only suikoden that I didn't like. This game it's really terrible. The protagonist isn't charismatic at all. When he walks it's like he's pooped and forget to clean himself. The story is shit and doesn't even compare do suikoden 2, 3 or 5. Everything in this game is bad hahahahahhaha Final Fantasy XII: I don't hate or dislike this game. I think that the game is very fun and really good. The reason people hate this game, I think it's because of some factors. First, some characters are really annoying, like Vaan or Penelo... The villain is the worst villain in all series. Seriously, all the judges are more villain than him. The story is not that good too, for a final fantasy game. So I think these are the things that people dislike in this game. P.S. Final Fantasy XIII it's soooo good, I will watch your video to try to understand why you hate it so much. Tales of Zestiria: The second worst tales for me. Berseria is SO superior in ALL WAYS. First of all, for me, the story in this game it's really not impressive. The plot it's too much linear, I've waited for things that blew me away, but didn't happen. I've missed character development too. Berseria has a lot of that, the characters there are way more interesting than in this game. So, for me, zestiria was a fun game to play, but in the end, it's only the second worst game of series for me. And that's it. Hope you can understand what I tried to say on every game. Have a nice day. o/

[@marvinweaver8808]

I really liked and enjoyed all of the games on this list except for Stela Deus and Fire Emblem but that's only because I never played them. I agree with you about Tales of Legend is. It was a masterpiece. Tales of Bersaria on PS4 is a good game too. I also enjoyed Star Ocean on PS4.

[@SomniaCE]

The plot for Star Ocean The Last Hope might have had a terrible third act but the combat, art, music and endgame were absolutely amazing. It was a fantastic game and I'm glad it introduced me to the franchise

[@gamer197730]

I loved battling yiazmat in final fantasy 12. It took a while to kill, but it was extremely fun!

[@andronikoswendsofchange1151]

Didn't a lot of the negativity for Tales of Zestiria come because the advertising propped up Alicia, a character who left part way through the game and was replaced by someone who wasn't really advertised?

[@FM-fi4uy]

yes. alishia meant to be the game’s heroine and is one of the earliest characters to join your group, but is abruptly removed from the party for no justifiable reason. She doesn’t die, she isn’t just injured in the line of duty. She just… leaves. Then there’s the fact that her replacement-a character that is introduced several hours into the game-is somehow more important and valuable to the party in the grand scheme of things.

[@andronikoswendsofchange1151]

@@FM-fi4uy Yeah, I've played and beaten the game. It was a reason that could have either been written out or turned into a situation that needed to be resolved (like finding an item, getting a blessing, or seeking out a trainer to help her handle the strain of being connected with the spirits). Alicia was a more interesting character than the girl who replaced her.

[@texastech56789]

Imma say, I did a review on Dawn of the new world. Didn't love the game, but I did have fun. Though the gameplay restrictions on characters NOT named Emile or Marta was a BIG negative for me.

[@Jack_80]

i actually liked the ffxiii trilogy a lot. the ps1 style ff games will always be my favorite and i really wish they had stuck with that basic formula, but the story and characters in xiii trilogy kept me hooked and interested all the way through the entire trilogy. and the time management and level of customization in lightning returns is so amazing i can always go back and replay that game. to me ff15 was horrible and i've very rarely been that bored playing a game.

[@jaimereupert4247]

Suikoden IV is the first game in the series I've played and beat followed by V. Currently playing 1 atm. I love these games.

[@DotHacker99]

I love the Tales series and like Legendia a lot. Without a doubt it has the best soundtrack out of any other game in the entire series. I loved how the MC didn't use a sword and how the second arc of the story was back story for everybody; I really appreciate that. Only annoying bit was the random battles

[@slusheewolf2143]

My favorite JRPG game that everyone hates is Wild Arms 2. My biggest issue with the game is a large lack of heal berries (Mystic FP is basically moot without healing items) which make the Diablo Pillars extra unforgiving. Otherwise, I absolutely love the story, characters, world, and especially Michiko Naruke's music. Wild Arms 2 is her best work, in my opinion.

[@Chelaxim]

My list Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded Final Fantasy VIII Final Fantasy XIII trilogy Legend of Mana SaGa Frontier Shin Megami Tensei Persona Dragon Quest VI Realms of Revelation Megaman Battle Network 4 Castlevania Harmony of Dissonance Nostalgia Chrono Cross

[@azurestarseliph5926]

Wait people hate DQ6?

[@mattbuergel8487]

I think a lot of these games are less that people "hate" them but that they didn't live up to expectations. They were followups to genre classics that just didn't do well such as Shadow Hearts FTNW and Legendia. Games that are great in their own right, but I think people played them and were like "what? this is the next in the series?" and were taken aback. I think if people went back and played them again they'd enjoy them. As for Legendia, I have some issues with it but think it's a good game overall. I wish there were more towns, but I understand that to accomplish what they wanted to do that wouldn't play with the story well.

[@geminilius]

I remember buying stella deus, poping it in, hearing a few lines of the english dubbed dialogue, and right back into the case it went. And it's been sitting in my box of old PS2s since then.

[@slusheewolf2143]

I recently got into Shadow Hearts. I LOVE From The New World, it's my favorite of the three games. However, the Chinese aura of SH1 was something I REALLY loved. The last multimedia I finished that had that Chinese spiritual aura that I loved was Avatar, Last Airbender by Nickelodeon.

[@saldanamoreno]

Tales of Zestiria was awesome to me. It wasn’t my favorite tales game but it’s not my least favorite either.

[@victorduarte579]

The battles are very very long for me, no matter how powerful you are. The walking speed is too slow also. I gave up of this game after 30 hours and I don't have any regret.

[@BlargGargle]

I loved Zestiria, it was the first Tales game I played and beat. My thought while playing it was, "If this is the worst Tales game, then everything else will be life-changing."

[@KnucklestheEcidna]

Tales of zestiria wasn't really a bad game. the story was pretty good from what it was. Most hatefull issue I had with zestiria was that literally most of the time during battles attacks were literally NULLIFIED especially during key moments (Final boss which always resulted me in instant KO so that's what made it terribly frustrating). also during the story it didn't properly show which way you had to go to proceed with the main storyline.

[@teefa85]

That's how I played Legendia too! I realized I couldn't use Senel well, switched to Chloe, and had few problems! Namely, every time she wasn't in the party! I honestly want Legendia to get a Remake. It would smooth out the battle system a bit, and maybe balance the Eres drops a bit more (which was my only real big problem...though knowing me I was just getting super unlucky and other people didn't have to wail on enemies for hours to learn their spells). I'd scream with delight and preorder it as soon as possible.

[@Oliverph0enix]

star ocean 4 the last hope i have it i didn't finish it and I love it but i understand why people hate it its the most stupid reason they hate it because of the protagonist name Rdge maverick well yeah its bad name but at least it is not maibigbutt

[@lunnimous3069]

I didn't enjoy Zestiria because they frames in combat fluctuated way too frequently on top of the camera angles it gives you, sometimes clips into walls so you have no idea what you're doing. Also the armortize feature you could whip that out like every fight and spam so there wasn't too much point in learning combos outside of it, like not fused with seraphim even if you got the hang of making a combo you did a considerable less amount compared to being combined with seraphim. Armortize was fairly strong and easy to utilize so you kinda get pranked it you try playing 4 player. The characters for me personally weren't anything too insane what really did it for me is the one character i kinda liked for combat leaves part way through game Alisha so i didn't have the urge to keep playing as much. Sorey and Mikleo have like the same personality and i find them both annoying ''let's explore this dungeon or we needa help cause we're the heros and we can't fail attitude. Alisha wasn't too much different in hey we needa help everyone. Story is pretty predictable defeat the malevolence because it's evil wow insane lore. ik Sorey picks up like late late game on how he acts, but he was bland as a character for a large majority of the game. I could probably keep going, but i adore Tales of Series and personally this game was my least favorite entry. Berseria though they amped up that game it was grand in comparison as a prequel.

[@HolyCross9]

I agree that the 4th Star Ocean game is an awesome and beautiful game!

[@jongibson4866]

I wish someone could tell me where they went so wrong with SO 5. The controls went so strange at points, it seems like it should've been a Gaiden entry in SO instead of a major story in the series.

[@AkumaItachi]

Played 8 out of those 10 games, loved them all :) New subscriber here btw, love the RPG talk

[@ErickLandonRPG]

Thank you and welcome.

[@DorfarenG]

What game is number 6? Can’t hear it. I’m interested in playing it. Thansk

[@dmac7344]

DorfarenG. I believe it's Mimana Iyar Chronicles

[@ErickLandonRPG]

Forgot to show it, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's Mimana.

[@ArabianAce]

Stella Deus is AMAZING!

[@greglovett2948]

Tales of symphonia is better than the 2nd one Eric, that is no contest

[@SomeRPGFan]

Finally someone else who likes both Tales of Legendia and Zestiria ❤️👍

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

Also, I respect your opinion on Legendia. I actually enjoyed that one quite a bit. Got really turned off by the backtracking and cutscene presentation and quit about halfway through the epilogue. This is more of an issue that I have with other older games as well, to be fair. Anyways, I think Legendia is great. I'd like it a lot more if we got an enhanced port with some streamlining and better cutscenes, if possible. Also, what was the point of them forcing us to listen to an English Dub if they only dubbed half the game? Lemme access the Japanese track, you weirdo developers!

[@shadowheart52]

I loved SH: The New World. I never got the hate for it either, and the one that gets the most love of the series, Covenant, I found nothing special about over the other 2. I loved all three of them equally.

[@faburos9012]

From the negative comments about SH ftnw I've read, seemed like they hated it because Yuri isn't the main character.

[@davidmiller4416]

My only complaint about Zesteria was the Equipment system that is all.

[@crushone1]

I always loved Final fantasy 12. And yes it is hard and has a learning curve, but as annoying as that is, that's one of the reasons it was so great! Hard to run out of things to do, yes lots of grinding, but overall awesome game! I bought all of the 13 serious and never finished a single one of them! Yes 13 was beginning of lower standards of the Final fantasy series.

[@arturboy777]

Everybody hates Quest 64 but I don't. It was just a very basic RPG for kids. Walking out of your house and into an open world blew my mind back then. For the most part I loved FF 12, the music is wonderful, the world is beautiful, loved the gambit system, loved seeing the enemies and the feel of it being like single player mmorpg, but I never finished it. The grinding tired me out but what did me was that I got what was apparently a rare drop and then I died without saving it and I wasn't able to get it again. Didn't rage quit, just sort of lost my spirit and never picked it up again. I can't comment on the characters, but I was liking Balthier but kinda hated Vaan. I didn't dislike the original job system at all like so many people did.

[@ZuperNEZ]

Stella Deus was the game that made me realize that I suck at Tactical RPGs. I picked the game up at a garage sale a couple years ago. The reason I picked it up was because it was made by Atlus and the artwork is done Shigenori Soejima (he did the artwork for the Persona game 3 and onward, and I loved the Persona series.) I gave up on the game because I couldn't beat the first boss. But the worst part was that the game gave me pink eye. Must have from the place I bought it from. Luckily, I bought for a dollar.

[@TrulySilentLie]

I like the Shadow Hearts series (the first game is actually my favourite game of all time) and while I agree that the third game gets a lot of unnecessary hate, your argument about it like how it should have been a spin-off for not being tied enough to the other two, just rings of ignorance to me. The game is very heavily tied I think, what with a still dark theme with its villains, the fact that malice is still around as a big point to the story and while the fusions aren't as plentiful (and are different thematically) they are still there. Also the gameplay is the same, so saying it's not really worthy of being a sequel feels off, and as a fan of the game I kind of feel your kinda feeding into the hate, rather than showing why you don't hate the game. Just my two cents, as a big fan of the series and that game as well

[@ErickLandonRPG]

I strongly disagree with you, obviously. I played the game and finished it, but when I tried to make the connection to the previous 2 titles I encountered poor similarities that were only included out of insecurity from the developers (in my opinion). I found the sequence to be extremely poor, which I didn't mind at all, of course. It could have been a perfect stand alone title. I am a writer, and if I'm going to create a third part in a series, I'm going to connect all the points in a correct fashion, in a plausible and notorious way, rather than alienating the main facts of the previous story into an entirely different universe. I understand your point of view, but the fact that I think different from you doesn't make me an ignorant, let alone someone who feeds into the hatred.

[@TrulySilentLie]

Well, given how the second game ended, trying to make a game that was a direct sequel plotwise would probably ruin what they were going for with Covenant. I am not saying that was what was gonna happen, but I think that's how they felt about it. However they obviously wanted to make a new game based on the lore of the world they've created, keeping elements such as Malice and the Necronomicon (though it had a bigger impact in this game of course). The gameplay is the one thing that connects the games together the best, so much so that I'd say it works as a sequel, though it could also be seen as a spiritual one if the connected storyline was really important to you. It took the lightheartedness that was a big element of Covenant and ran with that, deciding to kick the grim parts of the series down a notch, and yeah I can understand people not really liking that direction. But most hatred I see thrown at the game, essentially boils down to what you are saying, it shouldn't have been a main game, it should have been a spin-off, that's why I say you kinda feed into the hate, something I felt you did in other entries too, rather than explain why you didn't hate them. Just because you find them enjoyable in other aspects, if you agree with the haters on the aspects they hate, kinda makes it a weird entry on a list about disagreeing with the haters. Also, it's the comment about how it should be a spin-off I think is ignorant, not you as a person.

[@ErickLandonRPG]

I see. Well, that's your point of view (that you feel I feed the hate), and I respect that. I don't feel that way. Now, the only thing I can defend myself in is your statement on how I didn't quite explain why I don't hate certain games. All I can say is that this video was really long (I usually make videos between 12 and 15 minutes). Going into detail on why I don't hate this or that, would have turned the video over 30 minutes, cause there's just a lot of things to say about JRPGs sometimes, that maybe each game needs its own video to completely clarify everything. If, in your opinion, I failed to express why I don't hate the game, and to make matters worse I fed the hatred, well, like I said, that's just your point of view. I'll try to explain myself better in future videos, that's all I can promise. As for the game, I think it's useless to keep debating; you made your point and I made mine. It's just how we like seeing stories or videogames develop, we like these developments differently, is all.

[@TrulySilentLie]

Fair enough and I won't really argue about the game anymore either, the only thing I can say is I am glad they didn't try to continue the story of the original characters since it would ruin the ending of Covenant. On the explanation part though, I felt you more often focused on talking about the problems people hated the game for, that you agreed with, rather than the ones you didn't agree with, sometimes the point only boiled down to saying people shouldn't hate on the game because reasons. I get it, it's hard distilling the points you want to make into a video that is close to 10-12 minutes long and I commend you for trying, I just think next time you try a list like this where you have a lot of points you want to make but have to cut out, look at what points you keep in and try to see if it conveys what you want to convey with the video. I have seen some of your other content and think you have some interesting points and I like more youtubers putting the spotlight on niche games, so see it more as what I felt you missed in this video, and how I think you can improve. Doesn't mean you have to, we all have different ways of seeing things and I am certainly not stating this is how it has to be done, just my two cents. Oh and it's also kinda cool that you reply to and discuss stuff in the comments, even if I disagree with you I respect that ^^

[@DSan-kl2yc]

TrulySilentLie the first is my favourite too. In fact sh2 starts all the flaws that sh3 is known for. I think it gets a pass cause the first one wasn't played as much. And the graphics were next gen. And the story finished yuris tale. But it has tooooooo much light hearted fun. And weirdos. They don't add to the gothic feel that barely exists. But sh3 also had a brighter palette too.

[@Pcbore]

I haven't seen the hate others have for Zestria, but I'm playing through it now and not digging it. The combat is OK, it's a lot like Tales of Graces, but I do despise the equipment fusing system. It's not enough now to find or buy a new sword, you then have to fuse it to add attack power to it, and get the required skills on it. It gets so bad that if you've invested in the equipment from the previous area, the equipment in the new area becomes unviable unless you stick around the next area and grind equipment drops or hope the merchants randomly sell you one with the skills you want, so you're constantly stuck with the last area's equips. OK, I don't think I'm that far into it so someone can correct me if it gets better or if I'm playing it wrong, but to be honest the only thing stopping me from giving up on it is because it was bought as a birthday present.

[@sharebear421]

The 3ds fire emblem games have really good gameplay but really bad stories/characters so it really depends why you play fire emblem