Top 10 Mormon Problems Explained

[@jclarkent3757]

I’m a Mormon and I have been told my whole life to stay away from this information. I was told it was evil and created by wicked men. I found this video to be the exact opposite, informative, factual and respectful. Thank you. I need to think things over.

[@AndrewWiscombemusic]

I think it's important to not deny yourself of your truth. If it keeps you in the church, good for you. If it leads you away, good for you

[@richardholmes7199]

Where is your response? I asked you 6 months ago, what's the hold up?

[@meganl41]

I hope you stopped drinking the kool-aid @JClarKent

[@dr.options]

Now you understand why they didn't want you to think freely and seek independent information.

[@djadams7795]

look at all these hateful idiots. This video is garbage 🗑️. It's a bunch of lies. Idiots believe bullshit everyday.

[@wyominghorseman9172]

The truth does not fear investigation.

[@peterpiper7441]

Wyoming Horseman Exactly right. Even mormon leaders have said this: "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak. George A. Smith, early LDS leader, [Journal of Discourses, vol. 14 p. 216 (1871) ]

[@robertallison107]

Peter Piper Such is the case in Islam, also. Muhammad has been scrutinized by folks OUTSIDE of Muslim circles and found to be "non-prophet", by all accounts. Joe Smith has NEVER been found to be anything CLOSE to a prophet by anyone in independent investigations. They simply say that he "claimed" to be one....

[@B2BCreditandCollection]

+Wyoming Horseman Yes, and theism does

[@peterpiper7441]

Robert Allison There is an interesting book by Henry Caswell from the 1840s where Smith was said to go to bars in Iowa, across the border from Illinois, and after getting drunk, he would repeat, "I am a P.R.O.F.I.T."

[@robertallison107]

Peter Piper Such a situation should NOT be surprising. Smith was a pagan in every sense of the word and he proved it continually. He was never really true to God, but he sought what fallen man has always wanted---money and power OUTSIDE of God's will. His legacy was deception and his destination was hell....

[@thomashogan16]

Fair and clear. As a Catholic I thank you for presenting these issues so I can understand them. There is no anger here, or disrespect as I can tell.

[@claudiachurch4285]

there is for your pedophile church

[@mcloward1]

@@claudiachurch4285 wow complete disrespect for no reason at all. This person was not rude or awful in their comments at all, why did you feel the need to be?

[@claudiachurch4285]

@@mcloward1 I did not see myself as rude or disrespectful , I was merely stating facts 500,000 thousand children raped , young woman having their infants ripped away from them for forced adoption and then being labeled 'whores',money laundering in the Vatican bank , the Nazi rat line that helped war criminals escape to South America , when did facts become rude or a sign of disrespect ?

[@mikelopez8564]

@@claudiachurch4285 no one should ever defend crimes or even sinful behaviour of people, regardless of who they are. In fact, shine a light on it wherever you can. At the same time, I hafta question your “facts”.

[@claudiachurch4285]

@@mikelopez8564 Then I suggest you look up the hard cold facts , thousands of children have been molested by priests , all over the world they don't even stop at the disabled like the infamous case of Murphy who abused over 200 deaf boys , the pope and the bishops would not allowed him to be punished , they just moved them from one place to another their is no Catholic Church its just a big pedo ring with a bunch of gay priests fact check uptil now 500,000 children raped world wide they are ALL going to your catholic hell

[@alaskaismyhome39]

LDS is all BS! My chains are gone, I've been set free!

[@godsoffspring4195]

Free to do what??

[@alaskaismyhome39]

"Free to do what?" Your comment makes little sense in response to my own original statement. I was freed from the lie of Mormonism - I'm not sure where the question of what I will DO with my freedom came in...But let me explain how freedom works since you seem unclear on the concept: Once a person is FREE, they can do whatever they want. Personally, I have used my freedom to denounce Mormonism and become a Christian.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@alaskaismyhome39 ….. "Once a person is FREE, they can do whatever they want." Interesting. I don't know any LDS Christians who can't do what they want. Seems it's you is confused with freedom. In fact..... any committed Saint I know is doing exactly what they want to be doing. It's apparent you also don't know what a Christian is. Another fact...… Mormons accept Jesus Christ as their only Saviour and that is the core definition and actuality of a Christian. Freedom is not a concept. :>)

[@alaskaismyhome39]

@@godsoffspring4195 Actually, Mormons are NOT Christians. They have drastically different teachings that are in direct conflict with Christianity, The Bible, and the true Jesus. Mormons don't even believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God and call it "mistranslated". Mormons believe their Jesus was the product of Elohim's physical sex with Mary - this not only makes Mary an adulterer, but it also makes the Mormon Jesus a bastard. Christians do NOT believe that. Mormons believe in varying levels of salvation, which is a concept Jesus NEVER spoke of and goes against the Christian teachings of salvation where everyone who is saved is saved, NO ONE IS MORE SAVED THAN ANYONE ELSE. Mormons believe in baptisms and temple work for the dead, something they say is mandatory for salvation, however, NO WHERE in the Bible does Jesus mention these rituals. In fact, the only time baptisms for the dead are mentioned is in Corinthians when Paul is discussing a pagan cult that practices that ritual. Mormons are not free to do whatever they want. Mormons cannot question the teachings of the Mormon cult, Mormons cannot advocate a Christian church's teachings publicly. Mormons are discouraged from doing research about Mormonism. Mormons are not free to eat and drink what they want. Mormons are not free to go to Christian churches and worship (repeatedly doing so will result in excommunication, according to the Bishop's handbook). The list goes on and on. You don't know what a Christian is if you believe Mormons are Christians. For example, Muslims and Jews also feature a character named Jesus in their books, but they are not Christians. It is WHAT you believe about Jesus that makes you a Christian or not. Since Mormons believe that Jesus is the literal brother of Satan, that He is insufficient for salvation, and that He is an entirely separate god from "God the Father" - AND that there are gods without number (making Mormons polytheistic *see Isaiah 43:10*), they are decidedly UNCHRISTIAN. Not to mention the Bible repeatedly condemns following false prophets, the criteria of which is found in Deuteronomy 18: 21-22, and yet Mormon prophets (most especially Joseph Smith and Brigham Young) consistently made false prophecies. Mormons have so many manmade doctrines that detract and contradict the Bible. They worship men and lies instead of Jesus. Oh yeah, and Jesus is NOT a Mormon's "only savior", since Mormons teach that you must DO other things in order to gain salvation. If you must believe in Joseph Smith as a prophet, the Book of Mormon as "god's word", do temple work for dead people, and pay 10% of your income, then you are NOT saved by Jesus's grace alone. Mormons are no more Christian than Muslims. I highly recommend you do some research on the following things: - Kinderhook Plates Hoax. - The Book of Abraham Translation. - The Salamander Letters. - The MANY anachronisms in the Book of Mormon. - The contradictory historical, anthropological, and archeological evidence to Mormonism and the BoM. - False prophecies of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. - Joseph Smith's criminal record and polygamy. - Biblical contradictions. And most importantly, you need to read the New Testament. You clearly know nothing about it if you advocate Mormonism...And you clearly know nothing of Mormonism.

[@alaskaismyhome39]

I am free from the lie of Mormonism, and I really don't care if you want to believe that lie or not - that's YOUR business and YOUR decision that YOU answer for...I've told you the truth, which is MY responsibility as a Christian, the truth is there for you to accept or deny. However, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about it all day. I'll just leave you with this: It is FAR easier to believe a wicked lie that makes you comfortable, than a life-saving truth that challenges your whole world. You have the choice to be spiritually strong or spiritually weak. All I ask is that you do a DETAILED search into Mormon history - after all, as one of your beloved General Authorities once said, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by research...if we have NOT the truth, it OUGHT it be harmed."

[@zachgarver7922]

I was married to a Mormon for nearly 25 years, and though never baptized, I accompanied her to the Church services as regularly as a member. I listened twice to the missionary discussions, and was struck by how they would almost immediately push and try to persuade investigators to get baptized. This is in contrast to the Catholic Church for example (no fan of that institution either) that requires a prolonged study period. Over the years it became clear to me why the missionaries and others operate this way. They want you to make the commitment while the information seems at least plausible, and before you learn their really bizarre doctrines and dogma. Believe it or not, the information presented here, though accurate, only scratches the surface in describing how weird this church is. The Mormon Church has one thing in common with most religious institutions, that is they each claim to uniquely possess a divinely revealed word, and if you unquestioningly follow them, and never apply reason or critical faculties, they will show you eternal life. Where Mormons (and a few others) are different is that first, you have to give them 10 percent of your income for the privilege of receiving their nonsense, and secondly, their history and doctrine, because it is historically relatively recent, is so verifiably bullshit.I for one am bitter about the amount of time I have spent on beautiful Sunday mornings when I could have been hiking in the mountains, but instead was in a brick building with a bunch of sheep singing crap like "praise to the man," and "we thank thee oh god for a prophet..." But I am free now!

[@johnlee1352]

Thanks for staying out...you only would have weakened the church.

[@deskjockie4948]

@@johnlee1352 Your comment is a great example of the cultish behavior of demeaning those who don't agree with them.

[@claudiachurch4285]

divorced ?

[@johnlee1352]

Thanks for staying out...we don't need your weakness and confusion.

[@throughthewoods416]

Good for you man - I'm 100% with you. Mormonism truly is an example of 'if you can think of it, people will believe it'.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Top ten pranks that went too far?

[@jonathanalexander9562]

About 190 years too far...

[@bouillonjules2]

Excuse me??!! I was sexually abused in the Hyde Park branch of their organisation!!

[@ikilledthewendigo4745]

@@bouillonjules2 I'm sorry that happened to you .

[@highlandparkgeneraldetroit7715]

😝

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

@@bouillonjules2 Hyde Park London, or Hyde Park Sydney?

[@deskjockie4948]

#10, which talks about the temple penalties, reminded me of the first time I went through the temple My husband and I were converts and I was seven months pregnant with our first son. You may imagine my feelings when I was instructed to pantomime slashing my abdomen. I was never truly comfortable attending the temple after that, though as a good Mormon, I tried. I have now resigned my membership and feel as if a huge monkey has been lifted from my back. There really is life after Mormonism.

[@jettabear1988]

You have to resign? You can't just leave?

[@richardholmes7199]

WHY are you STILL avoiding the fact that the EGYPTOLOGISTS were DEBUNKED?

[@meganl41]

@@richardholmes7199 why are you avoiding the fact that your "prophet" lied to you?

[@meganl41]

@@richardholmes7199 do you follow the "prophet" Warren Jeff's as well?

[@richardholmes7199]

@@meganl41 Lied to me about what?

[@foreverozone]

Biggest Mormon problem is the Internet. (mic drop)

[@godsoffspring4195]

You must be kidding. A person who wants to learn proper 'mormonism' can now learn in months what would take many years otherwise before the internet. It has sped up membership tallies over the years. You must be confusing all the fake news on the internet as being a problem, when in fact, it's only a problem to those who fall for it, not the Mormons. Most of the fake news found on the internet has always been around well before this digital time. So proportionately, there is no new problems for you to embarrass yourself with by dropping sensitive electronics on the floor. :>)

[@foreverozone]

@@godsoffspring4195 Thanks to the Internet. I was able to learn Joseph smith was convicted of scamming people out of money as a youth for pretending he could find buried treasures. I learned he sent men off on missions then married their wives. He took wives under the age of 18. Many. He told several conflicting first vision accounts who’s means he’s a bad liar. Can’t even keep his sort straight. I would be embarrassed to be Mormon today. You do realize how we all see you as non critical thinkers and possibly delusional. Right?

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@foreverozone ..... "You do realize how we all see you as non critical thinkers and possibly delusional. Right?" No worries how you see it. What's important is..... what is.... what was and will be. Like I said, the fake news you have stupidly espoused goes to show what you see means nothing to me or the Mormons. That would be like worrying what woke numbskulls who think men are women and women men if they want to be, think about those who know better. :>) Maybe you can cough up with the "many" under age wives Smith "took" when it's actual he had only one earthly wife. You dopes don't understand or admit that he was simply sealed to others as wives in the after life. How old do you think they would be by then?? You fake news bandits are a real hoot. Dumb as coal. While you're burning rubber at that, maybe you can also cough up with actual fact he married other's wives in an earthly capacity while they still married to other men. I've been following this old crap for years and nobody ever has. It's all fake news and you are just another nutter. Lastly..... maybe you can provide any intelligent input showing I'm a Mormon....... "you guys" Did the internet tell you I'm a Mormon?? LOL.... :>)

[@richardholmes5676]

Think again.

[@gregoryglavinovich9259]

​@@richardholmes5676Anunnaki created a lot of the religions

[@warrenmoore4743]

I left the church at age 19 just through basic research. It was difficult. I loved my ward and the members. But the Church is so EASY to debunk, that I'm always bewildered members don't leave in droves.

[@godsoffspring4195]

"But the Church is so EASY to debunk......" So you debunked the hearts, minds and love of a universe of souls?? Interesting Warren. Guess you never learned what GOD means. I can see why you are still bewildered. :>)

[@warrenmoore4743]

+truthseeker staats don't give me that line of bull

[@godsoffspring4195]

Why would members leave in droves knowing what God is and GOD means and...... knowing which is God's most biblical , spiritual and rational church?? What bull??

[@warrenmoore4743]

Oh cut the crap.

[@godsoffspring4195]

Wow Warren, That's some pretty in depth debunking you have go'in on there. :>)

[@foxtrot312]

Bishop " where is your tithe?" me " here it is, you have to see it with your spiritual eyes"

[@booboobearsugarbear9109]

Lmaooooooo

[@legacy756]

That is just the type of language the witnesses use regarding the BOM however in his interviews they state very clear that they did see the golden plates as you see other physical things.

[@robrodgers3965]

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[@richardholmes7199]

That ''spiritual eyes'' crap is from your anti-Mormon christian crowd.

[@richardholmes7199]

Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. That video DEBUNKS the EGYPTOLOGICAL CRAP that the ANTI-MORMONS were GULLIBLE enough to have bought into.

[@daylonVFX]

they’re a few things i’ve learned going to the LDS church, i’m not baptized, however one of the most shocking things that doesn’t get much exposure i’ve learned is that LDS church’s believes the Garden of Eden happened in modern day Missouri, this isn’t something i just googled either this is something I learned in gospel principles class

[@kelliintexas3575]

Yep!! They are INSANE!! QUOTE: "the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County..." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)

[@katdiggory5501]

I’ve lived in Utah with Mormons for almost a year and been going to church and I’ve never heard of this. It’s crazy!!

[@dano8613]

​@@katdiggory5501most modern Mormons you'll find know very little actually. I talk to many members of the LDS church and her is what I found. 1) if they are an older member they will admit to essentially trying to be Equal to God but if they are about my age group and younger they will laugh it off and argue that I'm making it up. 2) they have no idea that Smith married a 9 year old and those that do will try and justify it. 3) most have no idea that the church was racist! Up until about 1978 they pushed the belief that blacks were cursed with the mark of Cain, they will argue with you even after you show them articles written with interviews of church leaders. So just because you haven't heard this don't let it fool you, the church has been changing and hiding things from the beginning. People have always known Smith was a fraud and not a Christian,we have public records to back up all the claims against Smith & scripture to support the fact that Mormonism is a cult with false prophets and not from God. God don't lie and if Mormonism contradicts God's word then it isn't fun God

[@keepredmondred]

As a former Mormon, nice review. Very accurate.

[@godsoffspring4195]

Accurate in what way?? Half truths on your best day??

[@gunnerlawts]

Steve, how inaccurate are my 8 refutes? Got anything of substance to say?

[@hogorina5460]

NO SUCH THING AS A MORMON !

[@keepredmondred]

@@hogorina5460 What planet do you live on?

[@JoeSmith-pk5tc]

@@hogorina5460 No such thing as an honest mormon, but there are plenty of mormons.

[@Glrk10]

Joseph smith was the 19th century L. Ron Hubbard

[@mader348]

you're ignorance is showing

[@gunnerlawts]

And ignorance is not knowing that Mormon starts with a capital, imbecile.

[@gunnerlawts]

So you explained that no capital 'M' is a mark of disrespect? I have not seen that, and challenge you to identify your past post that does this. Otherwise, you have been caught lying again. While you are at it, tell us which religion you are on the payroll for? Imbecile. I take meds for diabetes and blood pressure. Which one am I needing more of? LOL!

[@EarlFaulk]

You can give LRH credit for one thing. He was not a total horndog using religion to get his jollies. However, he was incredibly abusive to the people around him and was a paranoid schizophrenic.

[@gunnerlawts]

Who cares wha LRH was, or was not?

[@hannahsamson2178]

I left the church because of this video, thank you

[@georgebauerschmidt5289]

+hannah Samson AMEN! The Holy Spirit is working in your life now.

[@renasdean8075]

All the fact are not true. Fx. There is DNA, archaeological evidence and much more.. this videi is all twisted and based on false facts.

[@renasdean8075]

@Ralph Wiggam I can personally my self prove that these claims are taking out of context, that some are false and show new scientific discoveries that proofs this. I have done many times before, while a served as a missionary, but I've come to find out that even when 10 questions are answered and debunked, another 10 will then come up, and again and again always. There is no point in debating or arguing or proving anything. If you are interested in just a few explanations, you could read these short facts I found for you: latterdaysaintmag.com/10-things-the-devil-does-not-want-you-to-know-about-the-book-of-mormon/#.XhM0nZv_TJk.facebook If you want an explanation on many other anti mormon stuff that are on the internet,, I can recomend reading this free PDF file I found, that gives a response to a guy who published many many antimormon stuff and compiled it into in one book. Some years later a guy came up with a respons to every sentence from that book, debunked it sentence by sentence. Here it is: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjV3pzD1_PmAhVSrosKHYuzBUkQFjAOegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw059GDWE3PmH_NVoACmbsB_&cshid=1578475535518 I believe this is what you were looking for, but even when all these antimormon stuff are debunked, I've come to experience that all these fact won't have any impact whatsoever. The only way you truly can come to know for yourself is by praying to Heavenly Father to come to know if it truly is true. I bear you my testimony that I personally know that the Book of Mormon truly is ancient records written by ancient prophets. I know the book is true, and that Joseph Smith translated it with the power of God. I know that Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world, and that he died for you and me. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng

[@bumpty9830]

@@renasdean8075 "I've come to find out that even when 10 questions are answered and debunked, another 10 will then come up, and again and again always." That sounds frustrating. Sounds like the people you're talking to have already made up their minds and aren't interested in learning new information. I can relate to that. Are you open to new sources of information about the LDS church, or have you already made up your mind?

[@bumpty9830]

@Ralph Wiggam I was born into the Church of the Almighty Dollar. Believed Capitalism was a good idea for the first three decades of my life. When I figured out I'd been scammed, I became fascinated by _the way_ I'd been scammed. The psychology of it. Turns out, for psychological purposes, I was in a cult. Now I like to help other People figure out that they're in cults. So, uh, "Marxist" I guess, if we're doing labels. I also answer to "progressive," "Berniecrat," "post-capitalist," and "dude who sure as shit has something to say." :)

[@sionnachmacbradaigh1010]

The fact that a hat-gazing con-man is the founder of such a powerful religious movement is mind-blowing. This is why it is important to promote critical-thinking in our schools.

[@gunnerlawts]

Sion, if you can prevent your mind from exploding, consider the success as someone's far more capable? Hint :- look at it's name?

[@Number4lead]

It isn't the first time this has happened.

[@juuliariihimaki6696]

I have nothing to do with the LDS church but have lately been really interested in the history of mormonism and have watched hours of documents to learn as much as I can. This is by far the best video I've seen on this topic, truly great work.

[@godsoffspring4195]

So if you've only watched hours of documents, how do you know this video is truly a great work??

[@djadams7795]

​@@godsoffspring4195 he really has no clue. He is CNN fake news.

[@richardholmes5676]

Paul Gregersen debunked the arrogant Egyptologist crap presented on the above video.

[@andrewdennis0]

Same here. I've been binging videos on the church's history and Joseph Smith. This religion is oddly fascinating.

[@ElderJoseph]

I attended the LDS church during 2005-2007 and since then I've noticed an accelerating rate of Mormon Videos done by current church members and former church members highlighting the problems of the LDS claim to being the truth and especially the book of Mormon's historical claims. I've seen more LDS Bishops quitting and now some doubts creeping at higher levels of church membership like the recent Swedish Rescue attempt. I'm glad I'm not LDS trying to defend it, in the face of overwhelming evidence refuting it. That's why I never got baptised despite 'feelings' of finding home and feeling the spirit. It wasn't real in the end. disappointing. My comments shouldn't reflect negatively on the many sincere LDS members I met along the way. They were a privilege to know and associate with and I do miss them.

[@MrMessageWriter]

I think the reason for proliferation of videos since then, is because of A) youtube and it's like, and B) proliferation of computers since 2005, which are capable of editing video, and making video, C) Proliferation of high bandwidth internet connections.

[@ElderJoseph]

Mrmessage Writer Yes but what I mean is more and more LDS church members seem to be leaving including Bishops and they themselves posting videos and things. I originally started posting videos for answers wondering if I have somehow been misled by non official LDS sources. I didn't really expect to see what looks like a huge exodus bubbling. There has even been a recent Swedish rescue for disaffected LDS members and lots of Firesides happening trying to address certain issues. It's sad in a way because I like Mormons and kind of wish it was really the true church. I thought, perhaps hoped I might get my tough questions answered eventually but it never happened.

[@MrMessageWriter]

***** As a former member myself, there wasn't this information available to me. I just was lucky that I am a skeptical as hell bastard. The only reason I joined in the first place, was because I had been kicked out of the Lutheran church for asking questions. The LDS missionaries said I could ask questions, and that it was the expectation. I liked what I saw when I chatted up LDS folks, they seemed happy. I guess they can just be happy without any evidence. Anyway I was lucky, I got through to the Temple to see what the whole show was about. *YAWN* Seriously some hand symbols and a special name which is literally drawn out of a hat for you? Only children should fall for that. After the Temple I became inactive. These videos should help dissaude people from joining up with the LDS Church, and hopefully will lead more people to Atheism.

[@matwarner]

I could answer your tough questions. The gospel in the lds church is so emence it is not easy if you suddenly try to make sense of it, it dose take time, it can raise more questions than answers but the answers are there and are pluasable and make perfect sense in the end. [e-mail]

[@richardholmes7199]

Mrmessage Writer Atheism? NOPE. Am not Atheist myself. If it wasn't mainly for the LDS church and what I know I might possibly have been Atheist or something like it. Am actually not a Religious person by nature. For years I only went to church to catch that buzz (The same feeling that we all felt when we were all up in heaven in the pre-existence before we all came to this earth (2nd estate) to the here and now ) and did not show up for the lesson though.

[@shearwatersoil1]

Proverbs 30:5-6 "Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar." This scripture should let people know that any sect that misinterprets, twists, adds to or subtract from the canon of the authorized Bible, is heretical and cannot be considered true. 2 Peter 2:3 "But false prophets also arose among the people, "Just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words."

[@pingaspingas1519]

All correct. And the Lord has the authority to give new scripture to his prophets, as he has in modern times.

[@joshuaboehner4652]

The Bible is a fairytale in itself, it's all horseshit

[@tgphlaicke]

Quesion for you - "of the authorized Bible". Which authorized Bible? Does the Tindale Bible agree with the King James Version in all regards and do both of them agree with the New American Standard? The Catholics have two additonal books, is theirs the authorized Bible or is the one without the two additional books the authorized Bible? Was there one forbidden tree in the Garden or two, some Bibles (KJV) mention a Tree of Life and a Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and some only mention a Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and Omit a Tree of Life. And those are just some of the problems with English language versions. Does the King James version agree with the King Louise version (French)? Your statement is either disingenuous or demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge of the Bible and its history.

[@kenziek6707]

@@tgphlaickeYou really shoudl learn the basics of what you are talking about. "Which authorized Bible?" The Authorized version is called the King James version, you would someone who pretends they are a biblical expert would know the most basic things such as that wouldn't you Mormon? I detest the king James Bible it is too error ridden with mistranslations which Mormons also copied into the book of Mormon (even though according ot he fable it was supposedly written long before the king James existed) Like the "bow of steel" which Joseph Smith was far too stupid to realize was a metaphor and is in fact, a mistranslation the Hebrew word which that verse was translated from uses the word for "Bronze" not steel " Does the Tindale Bible agree with the King James Version" Mostly,. " Was there one forbidden tree in the Garden or two, some Bibles (KJV) mention a Tree of Life and a Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil" You dont know what you are blabbering about Mormon., Karl Buddes book is not any version of the king James bible. As bad as King James Onlyists are Mormons are 10 times worse pretending they know things they dont. "King Louise version" LOL!!!!!!! Uh you might want to try to get the spelling right moron, there is no such thing as the "King Louise version" no need to get into how they were translated as it uses big words which you couldn't read or spell correctly. There is no such thing as a Mormon Biblical expert.

[@johntuffy5721]

religion is a mental illness

[@jonjuliecat]

Two wives probably means two mothers-in-law. Discouragement enough.

[@gunnerlawts]

Not to mention nagging in stereo.

[@racerx4152]

this reminds of a very funny spaghetti western where this cowboy is going to marry this other man's two daughters. The father asks him (the stranger) to pray with him and his two daughters. The father say's something like- lord thank you that this man is going to work really really really hard. When he opened his eyes at the end of the prayer., the stranger was gone and nowhere to be found

[@corneliawissing7950]

No, it doesn't. One simply marries the two extra women as well, so it means 4 obedient wives.

[@louistournas120]

@@racerx4152 LOL. That's a good point. In a marriage, it isn't just about fucking. You have to work to take care of the house, the car, the lawn, your PC, your tools, sewing machine, TV, and so on. Or if you can't do it, you buy new stuff but you lose money. You bring in another guy to do the job and you lose more money.

[@tac3016]

😆🤣🤣

[@jeffs4483]

Every potential Mormon cult convert needs to watch this first.

[@djadams7795]

Or they should just take a Dookie on your head. Bwahaha 😂

[@djadams7795]

The pope's sucking the devil's 8==D

[@zekidan8284]

Lol I like how this videos title makes it seem like he is gonna defend mormonism but really he is just debunking, gotta catch as many mormens as posible lol

[@bartonbagnes4605]

Yes. Lies are regularly used to deceive the gullible, for example, why do they continue to declare no archeological, linguistic ect. exist, when each has been found. Except for DNA, which proves the Bible false if it is used to "prove" The Book Of Mormon false, for the Bible says that Israel was scattered to all the isles of the sea. So the DNA has to be there, but indistinguishable from any other DNA.

[@myspiritualife]

I grew up mormon and MAN this video is such a huge eye opener. I happened upon this video when I was in the process of questioning/leaving the church and this video helped me so much. I am now happily exmo and even make my own videos about exmo life and opinions. Thanks for such an amazing and well researched video.

[@godsoffspring4195]

Your comment doesn't make much sense. If you grew up Mormon, then why is this video such an eye opener?? Seems to me, either you should have known about any true things said here or..... you weren't aware of something this video claims to be accurate...…. because it's not accurate?? Or...… you just never researched your own church?? I would think those who grow up in their own faith should easily know all about it. No?? What surprises you?? :>)

[@deskjockie4948]

@@godsoffspring4195 These issues are not talked about in church, and members are discouraged from investigating anything other than what the church lesson manuals teach. I was a member for 40 years before I learned about the "rock in the hat" method of "translating" the Book of Mormon. I still shake my head at my blindness.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@deskjockie4948…… Weird, I've never been a member of any Mormon faith, heard about the stone many years ago from members and have known many Mormons who investigate many things outside and inside the LDS faith including JS's seer stone. I think you are confusing being discouraged from investigating negative anti Mormon sites with reasonable sources. Although..... it is true the seer stone is not your everyday teaching in Sunday school for a very good reason. Probably for the same reason it's not discussed much how a donkey can talk, how Jesus walked on water or the staff of Moses became a serpent. Even the superstitious Christians are quite tight lipped on those kind of things because explanation evades them. That doesn't mean it never happened. Yes?? :>) What do you mean..... "the "rock in the hat" *METHOD* of "translating" the Book of Mormon." ?? Nobody knows the method the Lord used to energize the seer stone. How come some Mormons knew of the seer stone 40 years ago and you never until years latter?? I don' t buy the never investigate crap and even Mormons gossip within the culture. :>) What have you been blind about ?? I look at it this way...… all mystery aside with the many things gossiped, misunderstood and lied about Joseph Smith …… how come a supposed womanising, glass looking con man read and taught properly what the Bible does when every other Christian faith lies about many things taught in biblical scripture?? Starting with what God is and what we are.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@deskjockie4948 Jock, I (like Staats) am amazed at how naive you have been for so long. So, the rock-in-hat threw you? What would you like to know more about it? You seem to think there is something wrong with it; let's try something new? - thinking about it. First point of logic - does a book from God stop being from God if it is translated by any implement or method the world has never used? (I presume you have stopped believing in it.) I will stop asking questions and just detail the reasons why this implement and the hat were used, and let you do some thinking. Smith was supplied the urim and thummim to translate, which was a large and distinctive object that could not easily be hidden when enemies came a knocking, so he was allowed to use two objects he could leave lying around, right under their noses, and not have them confiscated (also the reason the plates were left in hiding - originally placed on the table). He had very poor English and zero Reformed Egyptian knowledge, so had to have something, including educated scribes, however, that something was not restricted to worldly translating tools because even the world could hardly translate Egyptian, and had absolutely no idea what Reformed Egyptian was. Smith needed some way that worked in his situation. He was left to just reading, but it is probably hard to read writing on a rock if text is illuminated from it. My phone screen is almost impossible to read when I am walking around in daylight, so I look for dark places. I have often found none, so take my hat off and shade it. There is nothing silly about it - it just works. One final consideration; the bible warns against straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. May I suggest you are guilty of it? - The rock-in-hat method is your gnat, and the plethora of lies about the restoration is your camel. BTW, no gnats are discussed in church, and members are encouraged to investigate beyond lesson manuals (seek out of the best books). I'm pretty sure you haven't done much of that, and relied on your once a week lessons. While you can shake your head at your blindness, try shaking at your naivety, gullibility, stupidity, and most likely - disobedience? You know what I mean.

[@goodgirlkay]

@@godsoffspring4195 for someone who claims not to be Mormon, you are zealously defending the religion and Joseph Smith....

[@dodgermaven]

If you're investigating the LDS church, stay as FAR away from it as possible. I was born into the covenant, and this church tore my family apart. Many Mormon apologists will claim that this video is false, but can never really refute the evidence clearly laid out in this video.

[@peterpiper7441]

You said it far more clearly and succinctly than many other people.

[@dodgermaven]

Peter Piper Thank you. I can't stick my head that far up my ass to believe in this book that have been disproven so much. I understand enlightenment makes some people uncomfortable, and that's why the Mormon Church focuses so much on converting others from Latin-America and Asia, where a lot people are uneducated. I have nothing against Mormon people. They are the victims in this case. There are many Mormons that are smart people that are brainwashed to believe this stuff.

[@peterpiper7441]

AnxietyMisfit All too true. I have nothing against Mormons either, but when you start to look into Mormonism there are just too many things that don't add up. This video covers quite a few of the issues, but by no means all of them.

[@Rypaul5217]

True, but needless to say, a lot of Mormons already know that it is not what it claims to be, but stay in the Church to be socially acceptable, to keep ties with family and friends. It is only when believing in the lie becomes too much, and obvious that Joseph Smith faked everything that they decide to change their lives. But as soon as they decide to question the religion, and its leadership, they find out what the real problem is. The LDS leaders and the die in the wool members do everything they can to cast guilt upon them and fault them for their questions and convictions, which is to say that it is the "15" who rule on top of the organization is what controls the mind of its members down throughout the chain of command, with fear and retribution, pompous authority figure, and with moral indoctrination. After all the church is the only true church and the only means for salvation to get to become a god someday. Of course, nothing is further from the truth. Mormonism is a polytheistic religion. It has the same control over its converts as any other Christian cult out there. Its sad.

[@dodgermaven]

Rypaul5217 You're right on the money I couldn't have said it better myself.

[@JahTaj]

As an exmo who was born into this Mormon cult, I found this video spot on. Well done and very accurate. I pray for my family who are still in this cult and who think I'm the devil because I've denounced the Mormon church.

[@godsoffspring4195]

I don't think Uncle David thinks you're the devil. I'd bet he would even offer you a lesson from Luke 15 in his prayers for you. I wonder who's prayers will be heard the loudest. Your one prayer for the family or the family's for you? What do you think will happen there? :>)

[@Rope_yogurt]

​@@godsoffspring4195 praying doesn't do anything. You're literally just talking in the wind.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@Rope_yogurt ... So, I guess when a tree falls in the forest and you didn't hear it , it didn't do anything and was just sound in the wind?? Prayers are mostly meant to be heard, not always answered. So how do you know prayers don't do anything??

[@Rope_yogurt]

@@godsoffspring4195 it lulls believers into a false sense of accomplishment. We cannot solve our problems, much less the world's through prayer. We often see people with good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy, but prayer is useless without action, and those actions make the prayers irrelevant.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@Rope_yogurt .... Ummm, I don't know any believers who think what God does is their own accomplishments. Some may try but it never pans out well. Looks to me you are trying to blame God for our, or one's, own inability to solve problems. Tsk, tsk "but prayer is useless without action" Well, you got that right. God even said so.... "faith without works is dead" and most people knew that much thousands of years ago but it has never made their prayers irrelevant. Not to them or to the Lord just because you think so. People with good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy is for comfort and hope. We know when a tree falls in the forest and you didn't hear it, it still did something and heard by somebody. What is rope yogurt... does it have ears?? Can it hear a tree fall or say an intelligent prayer?? :>)

[@ZayedRayhan]

dude, please come back. ur voice is so soothing u could talk about anything and i’d listen lol

[@gregcox6165]

most of my friends left the mormon cult yet still cannot discuss it. It's very difficult to acknowledge the lies you formerly believed in so it takes time to heal. Mormons need love and patience. Ex-mormons need tremendous help because the've usually lost all faith and hope once the've acknowledged the lies. They are hurt and feel duped and victimized.

[@claudiachurch4285]

well just dont despair , you can drink now , take drugs , screw anything that walks, so many ways to heal yourself , I wouldn't worry about it

[@mutestingray]

@@claudiachurch4285 thanks Claudia, very cool.

[@mutestingray]

The unfortunate thing is that most of these people become (understandably) disillusioned with religion all together, often leading to a “spiritual vacuum”. Lack of purpose, community. It’s a terrible situation.

[@puertoricanboy100]

Your faith with God is not the same as your relationship with your Church

[@derekbootle8316]

Very true. Church is real, evil but real. God is not real.

[@FOHguy]

I lived in Salt Lake City as a teenager. The one thing I remember about Mormons. As a rule, the higher Daddy was in the church, the wilder the daughter was.

[@SilverSunPublishing]

Excellent and well researched info -- thank you! I grew up in Utah in a non-Mormon family, and always felt like an outsider there. Eventually, my 2 brothers converted and married in the church. They raised their families to only converse with, and befriend, other Mormons. They only listen to Mormon music, read M literature, etc. When I stayed with them for a few weeks, they hardly spoke to me, and discouraged their children from speaking to me. If they think this kind of exclusionary action makes people want to join their church they are mistaken. They are truly trapped in a brainwashing cult, but because it makes them feel "special," they cannot see how much they have been duped into spending so much of their time, effort, and money on a huge con job that has nothing to do with True Spirituality.

[@godsoffspring4195]

Hmmm...…. what is true spirituality??

[@godsoffspring4195]

@Ralph Wiggam… That was really, really dumb Ralphy. Maybe you would like to explain what true spirituality is and make yourself more useful than that sad post. Sheesh.... what have you been dong these last few days or so Wiggy……. just get out of stupid school?? Hey..... does one have to be baptised to understand LDS doctrine.....Or..... does one understand the doctrine of baptism and the very reason they know they should get baptised?? Yep..... stupid school fer sure. Ha, ha, ha.....

[@godsoffspring4195]

@Ralph Wiggam…. I've never wanted to be part of your cult Ralphy. Nothing ignorant about that. Although I do understand it is wise to be part of Christ's most accurate church. That ain't your church or cult Ralphy. Sure I can explain Spanks. I already know why one should get baptised and become one with the Latter Day Saints and Christ's church instead of your little private cult. Jesus told us why and is also LDS doctrine. I don't need your idiotic rant judging my smoking habits effecting understanding LDS doctrine. Good Gawd Spanky you are a nut and a half. But I don't mind changing yo messy diapers for you on a daily basis. :>) John 3 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@Ralph Wiggam….. " You are the one that admitted that my church is a "cult" That's right Ralphy. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not your church nor is it a cult. "Christ's most accurate church"? What exactly backs up that claim " For starters Spanks.... they teach the scriptures properly and what God is. Of course you wouldn't know that. The list is miles long to be exact and you really don't have the attention span or the honesty. "Why do you have to lie?" I don't. Besides your own dopiness, that's your worst enemy Ralphy. Ha, ha, ha....

[@gunnerlawts]

@@godsoffspring4195 Hi Staats, can you figure out what is going on with probable blocking for me? I am still unsure if Dark Wing is just lying, or I am blocked, yet see my own posts on the blocked sites? The banter with Avenged is on this video site (about 36 replies) - Eric Lawton 2 weeks ago Here's one Avenged has sent that didn't appear - Thanks. I might just join this conversation, in the meantime.

[@RegentofSparta]

I have a former friend who has joined this cult - I could not even convince him that you have to give 10 percent of your income to these people

[@claudiachurch4285]

yes we do give 10% but you will never go hungry , you will never be evicted , you will never have your electricity turned off , look into where the tithing goes and how it is used before you comment

[@josephsorg]

@@claudiachurch4285 7 billion taken in annually, the churches own admission is they spend 40 million on humanitarian aid. Do the math. They give a pittance compared to what they bring in. So yes where does the tithing money go? Too bad the church does not disclose any of their financials. A non profit that claims they are responsible responsible for the salvation of all humankind, yet the don't share what they do with the money they take in.Their books are closed. Why so secretive? They do however build billion dollar shopping malls. operate huge hunting preserves, condo developments, office complexes.

[@claudiachurch4285]

@@josephsorg they were the only church with relief food equipment and Drs in the first week of Katrina , no other church was there , you dont agree with their use of funds , then dont join and dont give simple answer

[@josephsorg]

@@claudiachurch4285 You didnt answer the question. Why are their books closed? Why do they not disclose where the money they take in goes. Why all the secrecy?

[@troids117]

@@josephsorg They build temples, churches, fund missions, have education programs etc. God never said give money to the church then the church will give. He said give money of your own accord to the poor. I hate to be a little rude but the church needs money to build and maintain its structures and programs. It's quite obvious what the money is used for, not a "shocking revelation". On the investment note, good thing they do invest it. If they have more than they need at the time better to grow it now.

[@Annie261.]

I love the fairy tale about the rotating barges.

[@michaeltaylors2456]

Why isn’t there a Utah boat dealer named Tight Unto A Dish ?

[@richardholmes7199]

Oh goody. A couple of stupid comments.

[@mr.hansholmes2367]

@@richardholmes7199 You never heard about the barges?!!

[@richardholmes7199]

@@mr.hansholmes2367 Are you talking about the stupid anti-Mormon version?

[@mr.hansholmes2367]

@@richardholmes7199 How can it be Stupid AND Anti mormon?

[@lilachart6371]

I lost a really good friend to this cult ....I am a Christian and pray that one day the truth will be known and accepted by her.

[@JohnDoe-rs3oh]

Ralph Wiggam If you're a born again Christian, then its not a cult, but the truth. John 14:6

[@thepreacher5934]

@@JohnDoe-rs3oh Pastor Steven Anderson has already debunked the so-called ''born again movement''. It's of the devil!

[@JohnDoe-rs3oh]

The Preacher No he hasn't debunked anything. Its not of the devil, you're of the devil for saying that. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ my Lord & my God. REPENT! You must be born again to see the kingdom of God. Read John chapter 3. Mr. Anderson has to much hate in his heart, and he does not bear good fruit, he does not have the fruit of the Spirit, but the works of the flesh. You and him need to REPENT!

[@pauljacobs435]

Ralph Wiggam you set the warring cultists off pretty well here.

[@richardholmes5676]

Paul Gregersen debunked the Egyptologist crap presented on the above video, what is your response?

[@StarlightEater]

What idiot would ever believe that people sealed themselves in barrels with bees as a means of travel?

[@StarlightEater]

I can see that. I don't know a single person that attends any type of religious service without it being an obligation to a (generally much older, thus, respected) family member. All the young people figured out it's just a scam to fleece you for 10% of your earnings to subsidize a priest/preacher/rabbi/imam goin out n fuckin. The church requires a certian perverse lifestyle where you just pretend your kids don't have that rape trauma 1000 yard stare and just tell him to pray on his nocturnal emissions and join the marines.

[@Ryno-fp7pm]

Yeah, that's a doozy.

[@richardholmes7199]

Anybody going to admit the EGYPTOLOGISTS and those who supported them have been DEBUNKED, proven STUPID?

[@richardholmes7199]

p.s. It does not say the Jaredites brought bees to the new world in the Book of Mormon.

[@kalebtrejo3388]

@@richardholmes7199 🤣🤣🤣

[@levlev.1028]

Sitting here in Utah watching the church crumble. In the next 5-10 years it will crash and burn, I'll love it...

[@ericlawton4264]

fps_iron, in the next 5-10 years the whole world might crash and burn. You will wish you were LDS.

[@levlev.1028]

@@ericlawton4264 hahahahahahahahahahahahah but yes, you are damned right. The whole world will be trashed and burning, and you'll be wishing you had read the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Revelations

[@tim4505]

I'm an ex-Mormon and ex-Californian now living in SLC. I'm their worst enemy lol, Bring.them.down.

[@daveyjones9930]

I'm also an enemy of Mormonism, and I don't believe the LDS church will crash and burn completely. There will always be hardheaded LDS zealots who refuse to give it up. (I call them "Packerites", in honor of their patron saint, Boyd K. Packer!) What I see happening in the next 20-30 years is LDS Inc. will become as irrelevant as RLDS (Community of Christ). An impotent shell of a church. I also predict that ALL religions will suffer a similar fate. Human progress has been the victim of religious intolerance, division, brutality and hatred for thousands of years. It's way past time for ALL religion to end! I say good riddance...and BRING IT ON!!

[@tinybsas5759]

@@ericlawton4264 Amen, brother! True to the faith.

[@squaregarments]

This video is accurate and should be viewed by everyone before joining the Mormon Church.

[@trevorj79]

Do people actually join this cult or aren’t they just born into it?

[@nataliekay286]

Joseph was doing psychedelics and had a crazy trip lol

[@djadams7795]

Moron

[@John-st7bf]

@@djadams7795 now is that anyway to be Christ like?

[@djadams7795]

@@John-st7bf lying is not Christ like. I told the truth. Idiot!

[@John-st7bf]

@@djadams7795 dude your such a liar, telling the truth you? When hell freezes over. Dude you do not show the fruits of the Spirit by insulting others with malice and hate. Your only condemning yourself

[@djadams7795]

@@John-st7bf No dude. You got it all backwards. You are the incessant liar who has terrible grammar and cannot spell!

[@Rypaul5217]

David J. Johnson, BYU professor --- “No one has found any inscriptule evidence for, or material remains that can be tied directly to any persons, places or things, mentioned in the book (of Mormon).”

[@rogeratkinson592]

PT Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute."

[@richardholmes7199]

Does that fit you? Yes, of course. As you were GULLIBLE enough to have trusted anti-Mormon Christians.

[@richardholmes7199]

p.s. The above video is from anti-Mormon Christians.

[@WhereWhatHuh]

@@richardholmes7199 These points are proved within Mormonism's own sources. Don't trust the "Anti?" Then read for yourself. Ask your Bishop about the Toronto Prophecy, and then ask how you can know if revelation comes from God or from the devil. I dare you to ask.

[@daveyjones9930]

@@richardholmes7199 Your fearless leader, Russ Nelson COMMANDED YOU MOEMONS to STOP USING the word "MORMON", yet you're STILL DOING IT!!---just like US non/anti MORMONS!! WHICH demonstrates how much you REALLY "follow the prophet"!!

[@daveyjones9930]

@Mike Siler "test"?? Care to elaborate?

[@laughman7357]

Instead of BoM he put BofM. Which made me read it as "Book of fucking Mormon"

[@djadams7795]

SYFH Must mean stomping your fkn head.

[@2326038]

The Similarities of Muhammad and Joseph Smith (Islam and Mormonism) - Each claimed to be visited and guided by an angel. - Each was allegedly given visions. - Each was told that no true religion existed on the earth. - Each claimed to be sent to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion. - Each had a book produced from his teachings claiming to be “inspired by God.” - Each claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. - Each claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable. - Each claimed his new holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth. - Each claimed to be a final prophet of God. - Each claimed he was persecuted because of his pure faith. - Each was a polygamist who had many wives. - Each borrowed from paganism/polytheism. - Immediately after their deaths, fights broke out from among the “faithful converts” as to who would succeed the deceased prophet. - Each of their religions has those who follow the “original doctrine” and like both Muhammad and Smith, have exhibited violence, are polygamists, and have claimed “spiritual revelation” to justify evil actions. - Both Islam and Mormonism claim to hold strictly to the path of their founders yet they are at least partially led by progressive revelation. (“New” revelation always replaces older revelation that becomes inconvenient to the current leaders.) - Islam and Mormonism each sanction deception - even lying about their doctrines and true intentions - for the good of the cause of their religion. In Mormonism it is acceptable to obfuscate on one's affiliations and beliefs to non-Mormons and to new Mormon recruits under the 'principle' of “milk before meat.” In Islam, Surah 4:142 of the Qur'an clearly teaches the practice of of deception for the good of Islam. These are the Islamic edicts of “Kitman,” which is half truths meant to mislead an infidel and “Taqiyya” which is complete deception to subvert and deceive unbelievers. - Neither Islam or Mormonism offers true salvation and a path to eternity with God.

[@godsoffspring4195]

…. www.ericbarger.com/islam.mormon.htm Maybe 10% facts and 90% bad opinion. When you quote other's text, you should indicate so. LOL.... :>)

[@gunnerlawts]

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, you have used that four or five times, already. You guys have got nothinng new.

[@2326038]

@Ralph Wiggam He lies, big time!!!

[@2326038]

@Ralph Wiggam But he's good for a laugh, don't you think? I mean when you go at him I damn near bust a gut. Please Mr. RW, can I keep him for a little bit longer? Pretty please? LOLOL

[@gunnerlawts]

@@2326038 Fool, while you're having so much fun, your eternal joy is at grave risk. And the good thing is - I don't have to do anything; you send yourself to hell.

[@patrickflynn4935]

my family has been invlolved with the church since 1830s,yet when i wanted to join family said I was not what the church was looking for. At age 60 I was baptized but found a very low glass ceiling that has keep me from progressing in the faith or going to the temple. Now I realize I made a mistake, but living near slc,walking away is almost impossible.

[@patsymillar9447]

In the 1960's at the age of 9 I was baptised a Mormon. Though If I'm truthful I never really believed it. The branch I belonged to had a very big clique, and if you weren't in it you got nowhere. But I found it very easy to walk away. I just put one foot in front of the other and walked out one Sunday. I never went back. If you believe in God and have him in your heart you don't have to go to church to worship him. As long as you are sincere, he will hear your prayers, and answer them.

[@ahwell9984]

You can be free. Outside those false teachibgs, God and authentic Christianity await you with open arms.

[@bluewolf993]

So who else believes these gold plates never existed?

[@2326038]

Most likely even most mormons do but are too brainwashed to admit it.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@2326038…. I do. :>)

[@2326038]

@@godsoffspring4195 Being from the Northern Interior, it doesn't surprise me. :)

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@2326038…… Oops, I misspoke. I read wolf's post wrong. I meant to say...… I don't. I don't believe the plates never existed. I believe they did and they do because the scriptures, Christ's own words, the holy Spirit and God given common sense have shown me so. So people from the north interior are dumber than you?? Is it the food up here or the weather or something. :>)

[@2326038]

@@godsoffspring4195 Me too, Ooops. I should have written the mormons" in the Northern Interior". Moose meat ain't that bad. :)

[@camillespatz5081]

I just recently resigned. My mind travels over everything I have learned all the time. This information has helped soothed my mind. Thank you so much. This information is very helpful.

[@djadams7795]

LOSER TROLL HELL IS WAITING

[@djadams7795]

Click bait scumbag

[@tthx165]

@@djadams7795 Real big talker until someone challenges you to a recorded meeting and then you cower out. Talk about scumbags. "LOSER TROLL HELL IS WAITING" HHAHAHAHAHAHA You don't even know what commas do! What an imbecile you are seriously, "Loser troll hell" is "waiting" for what exactly? Learn English sometime, troll boi.

[@djadams7795]

Both your mom's are LOSER TROLLS wearing combat boots.

[@djadams7795]

Hell awaits you both.

[@drewdon6783]

I visited the LDS temple grounds and then got kicked out of the museum for asking questions. I mean two security guards in red jackets came from out of nowhere and escorted me out.

[@gunnerlawts]

Ask me the questions, one at a time, and I will answer them.

[@kelliintexas3575]

They believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri!!!! QUOTE: " the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County...." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)

[@Rope_yogurt]

@@gunnerlawts what up with the original 116 pages? How come he couldn't reproduce them? The book of Abraham translation. Kinder hook plates translation Just to name a few

[@gunnerlawts]

@@Rope_yogurt You do notice that nobody has asked in over 3 years? Here are your answers: "what up with the original 116 pages?" Still lost. Not needed, because God knew they would be, and has provided an alternative text. Happy to go into more detail, but your question is terse - you need to be more specific. "How come he couldn't reproduce them?" False question - I am certain he could, but it's moot because he was told not to. He wouldn't, not couldn't, and it frustrated the evil one. "The book of Abraham translation." There is no question. The BofA is genuine (if it is attached to 'what up'). So-called 'experts' were paid to lie. If you ask specific questions, I will give specific answers. Happy to go into detail. "Kinder hook plates translation" Still no question. Kinder was a scam perpetrated by Satan's minions, and people overlook that and try to blame Smith for being duped, but he wasn't. He didn't have them for a proper evaluation, and was not given them when he asked. "Just to name a few" You have no limit, but ask one at a time and go into specific details. Every issue in Satan's bag of tricks can be refuted - they are gossip and lies, nothing more. Here's another thing you can do - go to the same museum as drew Don and peaceably ask any question you like. Tell me what happens?

[@Rope_yogurt]

@@gunnerlawts thank you I appreciate the time you took to answer my questions. English isn't my first language sorry

[@MrEnjoivolcom1]

It's easy for one to deny another's statements. But to deny such well researched, multiple witness statements and accounts IS indeed quite tough. Facts are often times hard to swallow.

[@konstantinpetrovic5084]

If I am not mistaken, I remember watching this video in 2015, 2 days before my scheduled baptism in the LDS church. And just 24 hours before I was supposed to be submerged in this if I remember correctly a roughly 2 cubic meter sized kiddie pool, I've contacted the two elders that were serving in my area at that time, to meet up with me at their church. Once we met up there I've politely asked them to call off/cancel my conversion to Mormonism. You can imagine the look of sadness/frustration/confusion and disappointment on their faces when I told them that I have changed my mind about wanting to be baptized, to which they tried to convince me that the church and it's teachings is the only true path to salvation, and that Satan has gained control of my mind and soul to prevent me from joining them etc... To which I apologized to them for thinking that about me, and politely wished them all the best. From that point onward, over the course of 5 years I was slowly distancing myself from the Mormon church and the missionaries that came and went, which was a long tug of war with them trying to lure me back to attend Sunday church, making me watch Mormon propaganda videos, making me read the Book of Mormon again etc... After all these years I still do wonder how my life would have turned out if I've decided to go along with it and get baptized. Then I start reading about LDS church history (and I am not talking about the sugar-coated version of Mormon history on their church approved websites) and watch videos like this one. After which I reaffirm to myself just how lucky I was to start questioning the validity of what the Mormon missionaries have led me to believe and intentionally kept from me, in order to dupe me into joining a manipulative false quasi religious organization. Really dodged a bullet there. I am not even surprised anymore when I think back to the local members who have joined the LDS church in my area, who are mostly naïve elderly ladies, poor and uneducated families who can't even afford to pay tithing, and a couple of young guys who have had the hots for some sister missionaries, thinking that if they got baptized they would possibly have a chance at dating/marrying (those chumps were simping harder than guys who pay for Belle Delphine's OnlyFans🙄) these oppressed young women who have been brainwashed into thinking that, a temple wedding/being sealed in a temple is the single most important thing in their lives. Later when these sister missionaries got transferred or sent home, those young men all became inactive members. I even knew this chump who only wanted to get baptized, because he had a strong urge to move to the United States. And the reason why he believed/thought that is because, he was told by the ward mission leader that it would be easier to get a green card if he was a member of the LDS church (which was pure nonsense). 🤦‍♂️ Also he was promised that the church would help with his immigration to the US. From what I've heard from other sources the guy ended up leaving the Mormon church about a year and half later when they failed to deliver on that promise. 😅 However in other wards in my country I did meet seemingly rational and emotionally, and from what I can tell financially stable families and individuals who were members but they were quite the minority. Those members were usually pleasant to be around, and I do however rarely very occasionally miss the sense of community and love bombing that I have received while being amongst them. Although in retrospect, it was their tactic to lure investigators to join the church. Just to be clear I am not here to spread hate, and I even had brief friendships with a few elders that I still have fond memories of. In my experience I do think that they are actively trying to be good people, who will not say no when asked for helping you out with yard work, perhaps that's how they get you to convert. But despite all that I do feel that I was manipulated by Mormon missionaries into joining a highly demanding cult that was built upon lies/deception. Ps: I really don't want to upset/offend anyone with my comment. I feel no hatred nor intend my comment to be viewed as hateful towards members of the Mormon church. It was never my intention to offend anyone with my comment but rather criticize the way the LDS church is run by their leaders and how they use/manipulate/deceive/indoctrinate/train young missionaries to lure in new gullible people to be baptized. Furthermore I apologize if I made any grammatical errors since English i not my first language.

[@djadams7795]

You failed.

[@djadams7795]

The video here is falsifued lies.

[@djadams7795]

@kenzie K loser get a life

[@jeffs4483]

Congratulations for successfully overcoming Mormon evil. Jesus, not Joseph Smith is the only path to salvation.

[@ralphwiggam7630]

Thank you for sharing. It's interesting to hear first-hand account of what the conversion process was like for people. For myself on my mission, I was an extremely successful Elder ... In fact, I was the second highest baptizing Elder out of nearly 200 Missionaries for the two years I was there ... Despite the success, I was CONSTANTLY in trouble with the leadership and our Presiident ... I refused to teach my investigators like they wanted ... Rather than manipulate and coerce, I simply taught from my own understanding of what I believed at the time to be true ... apparently this resonated with many of my Investigators and I had many baptisms ... I later found out that everything I believed was built on liies ... but at the time, in the mission field, I had no idea ... What is rather siick to me now, is reflecting on what I was told by mission leadership and my Presiident on my mission ... I was informed MANY times that other Elders had success and baptized people because they were "doing things the right way" and "being obedient" ... the only reason I was having so much success in the work was because, "I was being blessed" ... So the message was loud and clear, STOP teaching people my own way, simply presenting what I believed at the time to be truth, and coerce, manipulate, and DECEIVE to get baptisms ... no matter how many times they told me, no matter how upset they were with me, I refused to manipulate or liie to anybody ... When I look back on it now it makes me rather siick :( ... I apologize you had to go through that with Elders who were just there because they saw you as a number ... :( Be thankful that you were able to see through the liies and manipulation before it was too late!!!

[@shawnmcaraphy5973]

D&C 42:22 "Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else." LDS website 2017: "Joseph Smith married multiple wives." (Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo)

[@dchazfan]

He had 34 adulterer of the first degree

[@cliftongaither4613]

i was raised mormon , but ive been an atheist as far back as i can remember. my mother is 100% mormon all her life . yes , im like 4th generation mormon my family actually were part of the mormons traveling from east to west in this country. in other words, my family has been mormon since the beginning of the religion. i am indifferent to be proud of that . mormonism teaches hate and bigotry and racism. it is a terrible institution that it's members have no clue of the undertone of their religion and if they do they sweep under the rug or just completely deny it.

[@earlefrost5512]

Coaxing folks to believe in the incredible mishmash of modern mythology which is Mormonism, is a well-choreographed program of psychological trickery. Those that allow their missionaries into their homes (and going door to door is particularly genius: once you let them into your home domain, you are already acting on trust - you trust them enough to let two fit young men into your home: this is a HUGE first step!! Those that take this Leap of Faith (faith and trust are more or less congruous...) are usally those who are seeking something to believe in, to give their lives meaning. The missionaries at first point to both similarities of their belief system to mainstream Christianity, and the milder differences... constructing a bridge from one worldview to another (most Mormon converts are former Christians). Then they give them a Book of Mormon and ask them to PRAY HARD about everything it contains... a process which tends to enhance whatever shreds of belief they are starting to have. Then, love-bombing the potential converts when they show up at the local LDS place of worship, treating them exceptionally nicely... only once they are hooked on the cozy, old-fashioned sense of community that they are exposed to, are they exposed to the more bizzare parts of the LDS belief and worship system - like the Masonic rituals, Mormon underwear (Robes of Righteousness), the Book of Abraham, the Adam-god theory and so on... but by then they are have so much invested in their newfound circle of friends that they willingly swallow the rest of the worm and are fully and truly hooked.

[@2326038]

Good post Earle Frost.

[@richardholmes7199]

Duplicate.

[@richardholmes7199]

@@2326038 Duplicate.

[@2326038]

@@richardholmes7199 SO????

[@jamestripp8451]

I belonged to several Christian denominations for 24 years before I met the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and was well versed in the Bible. These other Churches prepared me for the truth when the missionaries presented me with the fullness of The Gospel. When you've received the truth and realize it by the power of The Holy Ghost, there's no need to turn back. Been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for 60 years and know the truth beyond a shadow of doubt.. Satan, or the devil, and his followers are very busy trying to discredit the Truth.

[@671homey]

South Park did a great documentary on Mormons.

[@gunnerlawts]

I love the dumb dumb dumb song.

[@lloydmunga4961]

This video is smart smart smart smart smart

[@AdvancedMarketingGro]

Great question!!..."If the angel Moroni had lived as a man on the right side of the war, why did he become an angel instead of a god?"

[@mimked]

In due time. The claim was never that good people would become gods immediately upon death, but that they could progress to become like God over time (through the eternities). The fact that Moroni would be an angel before the Second Coming of Christ disproves nothing.

[@rustynelson2357]

@@mimked Why did Joseph first say his name was Nephi... and then it was changed to Moroni later?

[@mimked]

@@rustynelson2357 he didn't. It was originally recorded as Moroni, but then a scribe made a simple error. See here: www.fairmormon.org/answers/Moroni%27s_visit/Nephi_or_Moroni#Question:_Did_Joseph_Smith_originally_identify_the_angel_that_visited_him_as_.22Nephi.22_instead_of_.22Moroni.22.3F

[@richardholmes7199]

@@rustynelson2357 This has already been covered. Voro Kusanagi just proved it to you.

[@richardholmes7199]

@@rustynelson2357 The EGYPTOLOGISTS being DEBUNKED has also been covered. Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. That video debunked the Egyptologists by demonstrating that the translation/explanation of the Egyptian from Joseph Smith was never supposed to match up with the interpretation from the Egyptological field to begin with.

[@post-mormon-era1085]

This video is a great teaching aid for soon-to-be-x-mormons. Well researched history. Thank you.

[@gunnerlawts]

Post- (dumb as a post, more like), maybe it's time I re-posted (there's a pun in there) my rebuttals? Since you know about well researched history, can you correct anything I claimed?

[@moronibaloney6888]

@@gunnerlawts Hey, here is an Eric Lawton original: "As part of his punishment Cain was separated from others with a mark to distinguish his posterity so that they would remain cursed as to the priesthood. This mark was not identified in scripture. When eight people were saved from the flood, one of them was a descendant of Cain. It was Egyptus, the wife of Ham, and their posterity was barred from holding the priesthood. The mark also carried on, and a separated populace ensued after the flood, as it had done with Cain. They became the first Egyptians and, more specifically, the Negroid races." - Eric Lawton, "True Religion" Now here is the LDS church's rebuttal to you: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form." Eric, it seems that you are an apostate.

[@gunnerlawts]

Baloney, you prompt me to bring back a few Eric originals on this clip. You are quite the imbecile, because the church does not disavow what I have said, and you read between the lines to get such a wrong conclusion. I will run through it line by line to make sure it doesn't - "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse {Did I say that BLACK SKIN was the mark? No - you read between the lines. If you look to the end of what I said, I said it was the Negroid race, and skin colour is only a portion of the mark, which is not the mark until all aspects are there. The church has not denied the priesthood to every other black skinned race (somewhere around 50), so can rightly disavow black skin as a sign or curse} , or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; {did I say it was so that the unrighteous could come to Earth? No - you read between the lines, once again. By all means, cut and paste the part that says they were unrighteous before birth? You don't have a snowball's chance in hell, you clown.} that mixed-race marriages are a sin; {did I say mixed-race marriages are a sin? No - you read between the lines for a third time. By all means, cut and paste the part that says mixed-race marriages are a sin?} or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else {did I say blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior? No - you read between the lines for a fourth time. By all means, cut and paste the part that says blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior?} Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form." {This is what leaders say about today, and did I say anything about what the church does today? No. You have read between the lines five times in 3 or 4 lines (depending on how wide your page is - it varies - more if you are reading a phone).} It's this complete stupidity while reading that has caused there to be 50,000 Christian sects out of one bible. My e-book is 'True Religion Explained', not "True Religion", and people can read it for themselves. Baloney is full of it (baloney). Now, where are those Eric Lawton originals?

[@moronibaloney6888]

@@gunnerlawts It's the same thing Eric, even if you try to wordsmith your way out of it. You are an apostate member of an apostate church. ".Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse..or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. " - LDS.org "It was purely that the time for the curse Cain received had not expired." - Eric Lawton If you say that Negroes now or ever have been under the CURSE of Cain, you are saying that that they were/are INFERIOR. Having a curse is not a positive attribute. Yes, the church has disavowed your words. Even Bruce R. McConkie disavowed his own former words which you pretty much still hang onto. The flip-flops on polygamy and the curse of Cain are classic signs that the LDS church is uninspired and subject to the vagaries of men. God wouldn't be the author of this confusion. Were your parents siblings?

[@gunnerlawts]

Avenged, I don't crack you up half as much as that road cracked you when you bounced down it on your head. They were well and truly separated when a plastered Harris lied about it in the bar. No, pictures are not official records unless directly specified. You bounced at the time of the accident, and your mind hasn't stopped bouncing, since.

[@adamnay7730]

This video saved me from Mormonism 10 years ago. I lost my wife and many friends after the realization of my mistake. This was very difficult, but my two children evolved into free thinkers. They are awesome and my greatest accomplishment in life. I don't completely regret Mormonism, because recovering from it has made me who I am today. I am proud of my transition to reality and rational thinking. I love life most times and wish the best for humanity.

[@djadams7795]

Lol.

[@djadams7795]

Regret in the afterlife is all you'll have

[@adamnay7730]

@@djadams7795 There's no evidence of an after life, but there are mountains of evidence clearly showing the Mormon church is a fraud. Hard to have regrets when there's no good reason to believe you will.

[@O.Reagano]

That’s great man❤ (Not the wife part) hope you have a good rest of your life

[@godsoffspring4195]

Hmmm.... So this video caused you to lose your wife and friends 10 years ago and you're proud of that reality you transitioned into, Adam?? Wow, that's some rational thinking going on there. Gossip, unproven, miss understood and opinionated chatter for a loving wife?? Good trade!! No wonder it was hard. Speaking of rational and free thinkers... how many believers in God and an afterlife do you think were, are and will be free to think it?? The point is... everybody is a free thinker. No?? You say there is no evidence of an afterlife. Well... there is more evidence there is than there isn't. In fact... you have zero evidence contrary and all the evidence is on the rational side for the free thinkers who choose to believe it. 10 years ago I learned from this video and many others like it, that in fact, it's sole purpose is to steer free thinkers of Mormonism away into bondage other than their faith. That's the reality of this video and that's the reality you have chosen to drift around in. Cost you a wife but what the hell, eh?? So let's have a rationality study here, Adam... if you wish the best for humanity... what's best for us?? Is it better there's an afterlife or best there isn't?? :>)

[@MannyRamirez310]

Mormons are taught not to be curious or question their religion because it's a sin and they have to pray for forgiveness. They need to ask questions and stop being scared!

[@gunnerlawts]

Christians need to stop being stupid.

[@2326038]

@Ralph Wiggam Sometimes he does and other times he doesn't. Poor fellow is confused.

[@samizdatbroadcasts7654]

You are among the best narrators I've ever heard on KZbin. Bravo!

[@danalley6376]

Non-Mormons: Here's logical evidence. Mormon apologetics: Just gotta trust in the prophets.

[@brenh2767]

lol

[@EarlFaulk]

All religions tell you to trust anonymous accounts that cannot be verified by historical, genetic, or archaeological methods.

[@gunnerlawts]

The one that tells you to be righteous first, then pray about what is true is the one to take notice of. There is only one that does that properly.nIt is up to the people to do their part properly, as well, or they miss out, like you are.

[@danalley6376]

How about using critical thinking and a logical thought process instead? What a glorious idea. Joseph Smith was a fraud and a rapist. Check your history.

[@gunnerlawts]

I pride myself on both. When shall we start? What will you begin with? Fraud, or rape? I'm not fussed; we'll canvass both, eventually. Best we check Smith's history, not mine.

[@laurensiemens1436]

I am a fortunate person that knows an ex mormon who became a real Christian. What a transformation. She no longer smokes she goes to a good solid Christian church and I am blessed to have helped her deside to follow the real Jesus. Mormons need to keep asking questions about their so called faith and don't base your foundation on the book of mormon (bom)....because it might blow up.....haha

[@stevenpictures1]

Did this friend of yours smoke when she was a mormon?

[@TheWormsEquals]

Too bad she couldn't just give up the God delusion completely. Going from one cult to another isn't making progress.

[@scwyldspirit]

Back in the 80's I was assigned to Hill AFB, UT and one of my supervisors was a man known as George Thompson. The guy was a historian on the Utah Gold mines and wrote about 4 books. He told me once and I still remember it to this day, that when Young and party were heading out to Utah when they were getting close to the valley, Brigham Young was running a high fever (That is from historical accounts) and when he looked out from the back of the wagon he stated "This is the place? Lord help us.". Once of the party asked him what he said, at which he replied "This is the place."

[@godsoffspring4195]

@Ralph Wiggam…….. Ralphy...… readers are wondering how land "nobody else wanted" can be stolen?? :>)

[@goodgirlkay]

Wtf does this have to do with the claims in this video? Every single place where people have settled, someone had to stop and say, THIS IS THE PLACE we are going to settle. Do you consider this mundane story as proof that Brigham was a prophet? LMBAO!

[@gunnerlawts]

@@goodgirlkay You are incapable of connecting the dots. Those who do, know that when a man says "this is the place" in the worst place imaginable and it turns out to be one of the wealthiest states in a highly wealthy country, he's either the luckiest dope, or a prophet. That's what it has to do with it. There isn't much musing going on in that black alien brain of yours.

[@2326038]

@@gunnerlawts Two choices? That's easy. He's not a prophet.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@2326038 Fool - one choice is wrong. Not as easy as you think.

[@danbel]

I am really impressed with the information. Thank you

[@gravitywaves2796]

I can't for the life of me understand how any grown adult could be convinced any of the claims of the LDS church are true, especially in today's world where information is so widely and freely available. I can at least partially understand those who were born into it and just somehow never gave it a second thought, especially those almost exclusively surrounded by believers. Maybe to a lesser extent I can at least believe some were talked into believing decades ago when these ideas and claims were not so easy to debunk. I cannot believe anyone over the age of reason with enough mental competence to physically take care of themselves could be deceived by such nonsense. The claims are so unbelievably easy to debunk. Obviously this is the reason their recruitment has slowed to a crawl, but it's a nonzero amount. The few still active members of the mormon church I have interacted with have all been some of the nicest folks I've met. They were all born into it though and a couple found there way out. I've never met a new convert though. It would be interesting to have a conversation with one. I've got to believe it was the friendly people and ready made community that attracted them, but I can't imagine actually believing something so obviously, provably, absolutely false.

[@gunnerlawts]

Grav, "I can't for the life of me understand how any grown adult could be convinced any of the claims of the LDS church are true, [many people are like that, but so what?] especially in today's world where information is so widely and freely available [ has the world now got all the answers? And does the world never lie?]. I can at least partially understand those who were born into it and just somehow never gave it a second thought, especially those almost exclusively surrounded by believers [you subscribe to social norms dictating truth, but has that been validated? It's new world information that is a trend, not a fact]. Maybe to a lesser extent [lesser than partially understanding is really tiny] I can at least believe some were talked into believing decades ago when these ideas and claims were not so easy to debunk [ what is so easy to debunk now that was not so easy in 2000? (Two decades ago.) Most of this gossip is pre 1900, and DNA supports the Book of Mormon, so what are you on about? So - what does it take to believe people can convert since 2000? Try getting the annual convert statistics for every year? They prove the information age is ineffective. Pick any 20 year period before in the last 190, and tally both.] I cannot believe anyone over the age of reason with enough mental competence to physically take care of themselves could be deceived by such nonsense [I am 66, so debate with me and be prepared to answer questions about what you believe so that I can evaluate your mental competence regarding your beliefs? You sound like an atheist, but you reveal nothing]. The claims are so unbelievably easy to debunk [it's the easy part that will prove unbelievable I can claim I am actually superman unbelievably easily, but it stops there.] Obviously this is the reason their recruitment has slowed to a crawl, but it's a nonzero amount [ slowing to a crawl has to be nonzero; if it went to zero, it hasn't slowed, it has stopped. I worry about people who claims things are obvious when their speech is obviously flawed, lol.]. The few still active members of the mormon church I have interacted with have all been some of the nicest folks I've met [your concern is for truth, so why revert to behaviour?]. They were all born into it though and a couple found there [I worry when people write 'there' when it should be 'their'] way out [only two people? How many were searching for a way out? The LDS church is not a maze; a prison or a deep forest, so what is difficult about finding a way? It's as easy as going through doors and not going back in.]. I've never met a new convert though [I have met thousands]. It would be interesting to have a conversation with one [do you have enough mental competence to make it worthwhile?]. I've got to believe it was the friendly people and ready made community that attracted them [some come in this way, but they soon find their way out; most enter because they heard the Holy Ghost.], but I can't imagine actually believing something so obviously, provably, absolutely false [you lack imagination, yet at the same time ingest guff. Get what is the most "obviously, provably, absolutely false" issue and prove it to me? I will set you straight. Make sure you don't do any other - you can do another after I have responded, and one at a time until all readers are absolutely certain you are stupid. I am ready.].

[@2326038]

@@gunnerlawts Who do you think will read all your bullshit nonsense Lawton?

[@gunnerlawts]

@@2326038 Fool, since you have just explained you watch 10 hours of BS, maybe lots of people do similar?

[@gunnerlawts]

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, if I fulfil every one, which one proves the LDS church is not God's own? I don't care what you think about me - I have never gone to an asylum and asked inmates for opinions.

[@2326038]

@@gunnerlawts Why don't you apologize like a real man for claiming I didn't watch it? C'mon Lawton. Do it.

[@lashram32]

I was approached by the missionaries at the age of 20. Im an old man now. The church experience wasn't a bad one. It was a decent life. But when I began to research it's history and ask questions... it became more and more apparent, It's claims are completely false. The heartbreak was so shattering and the depression so deep... all I can say is, I am so glad to be here, a science loving, truth seeking person who is still alive. Some of my best friends, my own children and other family members shunned me just because I wanted to talk about the complete disassociation from historical facts, in the church. I was labeled a "Korihor" and shunned. I have no criminal record, I wasn't fanatical about it. We are taught in the church, to test it's principles and it's truthfulness. I was left with absurdities. I was treated as an "Anti." I wish those missionaries were more forthright and/or knowledgeable about the actual claims about the church. I never would have joined it.

[@2326038]

lashram32 Thank you for sharing.

[@godsoffspring4195]

" I am so glad to be here, a science loving, truth seeking person who is still alive. " Hmmm..... I wonder how many science loving, truth seeking people who are still alive and still LDS Christians. Funny how good science supports Mormon theology way more than it does superstitious Christianity. :>)

[@godsoffspring4195]

@Ralph Wiggam….. Well Ralphy, we can start with the fact good science suggests there are other intelligent peoples out there in the universe. Some more advanced than others. Smart science also hypothesises that something is NEVER created from nothing and only very advanced thinking Beings would be able to organise matter to create throughout the universe. So advanced they are considered and are gods. Truer(more real) than a fictitious made up monster of a god who men are not the image and likeness of and exists outside space and time. How's that for starters?? :>)

[@godsoffspring4195]

@Ralph Wiggam…. But Ralphy, you never said anything about proof. LOL..... What you said is...…. " I challenge you to find ANY scientific study that claims any one hypothesis is "way more" true than any other" Are you embarrassed?? :>) Well which one do you think is more likely Spanky. There are advanced Beings out there who are creating gods or an unimaginable entity called God that exists outside space and time created everything from nothing at all?? Can you imagine any scientific journals that think one is more likely than the other?? Ha, ha, ha...… Ralphy…… stop being so childish and hot headed buds. Your little penis is showing. By the way..... you shouldn't lie and quote things people never said. Try and keep it "way more" accurate. K?? Oh, and...… how come enlightened Saints believe through faith, and good reason what science does through observation, calculation and hypotheses?? That there are two realities throughout the cosmos. One is all the temporal things made from physical matter we can measure, see or feel and the other reality is of Spirit Matter?? The latter controls and dictates all physical matter from the smallest atom to every galaxy in the cosmos?? Of course..... science doesn't call it Spirit matter because there is no light in a faithless hypothesis. So..... what men cannot understand in the light of faith or knowledge..... they call "dark". Does the mocking Ralphy know what Dark Matter really is??

[@gunnerlawts]

@Ralph Wiggam @truthseeker staats @lashram32 First, let me say to lashram you have not provided history that debunks the restoration. Not surprising - 9 out of 10 do that. The tenth one folds when his mentioned claims are refuted. Some real idiots like Ralphy just persist with their stupidity, hoping nobody notices. Now consider this? - The reason for evolution and the beginning of life, itself, it the combination of elements and time. It has to be lots of time, but with enough we get life. The problem is, all the elements were from the one big bang, so billions of floating rocks out there have probably the same elements, but they must have elements of some sort. Since the bang happened the same very long time ago, the combinations are identical to Earth's situation. In any case, these similar scenarios would produce evolution, regardless of what life forms ensued. The result of billions of same situations producing no life whatsoever indicates that the premise for evolution on Earth is crap. It's mathematically impossible for this to occur, and evolution be explained by just a combination of elements and time. Science has no valid explanation, at all. When we have so many written accounts of God speaking to men, we have another reason to know there is a God. Evolution would not produce them. Human nature produces the liars, but not all are lies. Neither evolution nor human nature can produce prophesy that is accurate over millennia, and the scriptures have done that, including the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. I am happy to refute any lie that claims the restoration didn't happen. I have done it for 8 years, and have never had a single claim validated in facts - all gossip and lies, and I can spell out where and why in every case.

[@GustavoHenrique-dp7so]

These guys already tried to convert me and I almost fell for it... I'm glad I took time to research and get to know what are they beliefs. They're so dishonest that they wanted me to join their church before they told me the insane things they preach. They probably know polytheistic beliefs are intolerable for any real Christian, thus they were almost embarrassed when I confronted them about it. A bunch of guys who believe they'll become God one day, that's not just naive, it's evil.

[@djadams7795]

Bullocks!

[@djadams7795]

Tell it to the false prophet Pope Francine with his red handmade baby skin shoes!

[@GustavoHenrique-dp7so]

I'm not catholic.

[@djadams7795]

@@GustavoHenrique-dp7so just an idiot

[@djadams7795]

@@GustavoHenrique-dp7so You stink like Hunter Biden!

[@kevrocks01]

It's hard to believe that a thinking person could ever believe the Joseph Smith story. I have something you can't see is the oldest game in the book and it is something a young child would do, not a grown adult. And had been shown many times over, is that his "transcriptions" are basically the bible with a few things Smith threw in to make it look legit. And what else would you expect from a person convicted many times as a conman and basically a person of ill repute and a thief. It's sad that that there are actually people who can't think critically enough to see Mormonism for the totally made up story that it is.

[@richardholmes7199]

It's not either made up!

[@peterpiper7441]

What do you expect really, when kids are taught to say, "I know this church is true" from the age of three years old.

[@wyominghorseman9172]

Turns out advanced ancient civilizations leave a lot of stuff behind Book of Mormon pandora Mar. 2013 I visited the Asian Art Museum in SF today to see the Terracotta Warriors exhibit. It was amazing. There were swords, things for horses and chariots, beautiful warriors and armor. Even a small gold belt buckle was on display which made me think about all the small day to day things that remain long after the people who used them are gone. All of these artifacts were from around 200 bc or 600 years before the great battle at the hill cumorah. I'm still waiting to see the traveling exhibit of ancient Nephite and Lamanite artifacts. Anyone have the dates for that?

[@kevrocks01]

Wyoming Horseman What exactly does this reply even mean? I pointed out that Joseph Smith was a conman and a thief who "translated" something that no one else ever saw, nor were allowed to see and that this is a child's game.

[@wyominghorseman9172]

Kevin Kurtz I should have given you an intro. One of the major arguments of the MYT's (Mormon KZbin Trolls) is that the steel swords, tools and implements claimed by JS in the BofM disintegrated and that's why they can't be found by archeologists. Anywhere in North or South America. Even at the battle site of the hill Cumorah where supposedly 1.5 million steel armed and armor clad soldier's died! Nor in any tombs or burial sites. Nor remnants of any type of advanced metallurgy with the descendants of these folks. One point five million is three times the casualties of the American civil war over a four year period! Just thought you'd like the perspective.

[@Emiliapocalypse]

Your voice is so soothing I forgot I wasn’t listening to an audiobook. Thanks 👍✌️

[@godsoffspring4195]

Beware of the soothsayers. :>)

[@gunnerlawts]

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope - why are you still here defending a proven lie? - the trinity. Clearly, you're not capable of learning, nor understanding truth.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@Avenged- Sevenfold….. The only thing you have ever proven from day 1 is how intellectually sparse you are. That's why you are always in the corner where you should be. Cornered in the lie of the superstitious trinity with nowhere to run.

[@gunnerlawts]

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, in your corner of the padded cell in your asylum, maybe?

[@gunnerlawts]

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope - here's my pointless and stupid comment: While you bicker, you say nothing that proves the LDS church is not the one true religion, and while you say nothing the church is still growing, and your branch of disguised Satanism is waning.

[@spencerl3734]

Pray for my momma. She’s been witnessed to. And my prayer is it would cut through all the lies from the Mormonism and Catholicism she’s engaged with.

[@djadams7795]

Ye shall be as stubble

[@tthx165]

@@djadams7795 A guy asks for prayer for his mother, and you get so triggered over that you go into a verse talking about hell? Once more you show you dont even possess knowledge of your supposed "religion" common to young children. We really need KZbin to reform how it works as to not allow mentally unstable maniacs like you a platform to just spew your hatred of people.

[@stephenszucs8439]

If the angel Moroni had lived as a man on the right side of the war, why did he become an angel instead of a god?

[@gunnerlawts]

He's on his way to being a god.

[@stephenszucs8439]

Eric Lawton "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one [echad] flesh. " Genesis 2:24 "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10 "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35 "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39 "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39 "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4 "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22 "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32 "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60 "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15 "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20 "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6 "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31 "You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20 "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8 "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5 "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14 "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18 "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21 "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9 "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one [hen] and love the other, or he will be devoted to one [hen] and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one [hen] flesh"? " Matthew 19:5 "But do not be called Rabbi; for One [hen] is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." Matthew 23:8 "Do not be called leaders; for One [hen] is your Leader, that is, Christ." Matthew 23:10 ""The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; " Mark 12:29 "you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44 "I and the Father are one [hen]." John 10:30 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one [hen], just as We are one [hen]" John 17:22 "since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30 "to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27 "there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4 "yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6 "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20 "There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6 "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17 "which He will bring about at the proper time-He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16 "For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5 "You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4 "the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25 By Steve Rudd

[@gunnerlawts]

Genesis 2:24 When you were joined to your wife, did you become two personalities in one physical body? If not, then why do you believe God is 3 in no physical body? You have a scripture that says one, and you can't get your head around it, so believe a lie. Exodus 8:10 Speaking of the people and gods they had around. Ditto for Deuteronomy 4:35, 39, 32:39, and so on. 1 Corinthians 8:6 Why do they say one Father and one Jesus? If it is the same one, no need to say one AND one. Galatians 3:20 If Father and Jesus ARE one, then this says Jesus can't be a mediator. Having a mediator requires three, all up - no less. When Jesus prayed to His Father, there were two in two places. The Father didn't father Himself, and if He could, He would not be there to listen to Himself pray, which would be madness to do so, in any case. When Jesus ascended, He said he was going to His and their (our) Father. He didn't say He was becoming that Father for a second time. When Stephen was stoned, he saw the two standing next to each other. If you lock MPD's (now called an identity disorder) in asylums and treat them by doctors, you should not be worshipping one. It's hypocrisy, but worse - it's madness. Your evil god is both impossible and insane, and more closely resembles the definition of Satan. It is this being a complete idiot that causes you to misunderstand so many scriptures.

[@presidenteldermarkhoffman8304]

fiction

[@gunnerlawts]

+Jem7V Steve,here is a maniac who has gone silent on me. I take this from my emails, where it appears, but not here where it should be. He has this ability to keep it from posting, then usually denies sending anything. I don't get the full text in he email, so I can't respond properly. Can you provide the missing part? [+Stephen Szucs Eric is a troll that is famous for making racist idiotic statements which he lies about later. Its just how he operates. He once tried to tell someone on here by the name of Jesus Eternal that The book of Revelation talked of the Garden of Eden being in the Missouri (which is what mormons believe), later he even said "I showed you in scripture where that was" right as he went off into one of his mormon name calling temper tantrums. He has ripped into Blacks (whom he refers to as ...] END Jem is the prolific liar. Any person can check the original post and they will find that "the book of" is not there. I merely said Revelation, and meant modern revelation, not a book in the bible. However, an inadvertent capital R sent his tiny and dysfunctional brain into a spin, and he insisted that I meant "the book of Revelations". No amount of denial by myself can change that ridiculous opinion in him, and he has spread this lie far and wide, ever since.You are just one more person he has no respect for and clearly wants to delude you. His second lie is that I am racist. No post by myself (and I mean anywhere) has shown that, but his crazy brain thinks it. There have been times I have been a realist, and I don't pander to political correctness on any issue, so he can form opinions based on my writing style, but I am no racist, and he can't see reality at the best of times. I say a Native American is a redskin, and that is racist to both he and the redskin Silver Eagle, or Squawking Crow, as others call him. I don't care what they think. If a Negro prefers to be called black, and they call us whites (among lots of other names), I see nothing wrong with redskins as a term. It is clear, concise and an accurate identifier. So what are his lies that I don't see? Those things he knows won't show up, and hopes to poison your mind with, in private?

[@Rypaul5217]

"Soon after I came to the realization that the Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be, I became deeply upset. I had firmly believed that it was true. I had not been looking for evidence to prove it wrong. I had been looking for research that could be viewed as supportive. It was a shock to have my belief shattered so quickly… [ex-LDS Bishop and senior micro geneticist Dr. Simon Southerton] David J. Johnson, BYU professor--- “No one has found any inscriptural evidence for, or material remains that can be tied directly to any persons, places or things, mentioned in the book (of Mormon).” BH. Roberts, LDS Historian once wrote. "“In light of this evidence, there can be no doubt as to the possession of a vividly strong, creative imagination by Joseph Smith, the Prophet, an imagination, it could with reason be urged, which, given the suggestions that are found in the ‘common knowledge’ of accepted American antiquities of the times, supplemented by such a work as Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews [published in Palmyra in 1825], it would make it possible for him to create a book such as the Book of Mormon is.”

[@bartonbagnes4605]

Except Ezra Smith's book wasn't written in ancient Hebraic writing styles, like The Book Of Mormon is, some not even identified until long after Joseph Smith's death. It's Impossible to copy something that hasn't been discovered yet. Also Nahom was discovered to be a real place by the Red Sea, but not until long after Joseph Smith was dead. It was right where it was described in The Book Of Mormon, and has been used to identify another place that perfectly matches the description in The Book Of Mormon, neither of which were known until quite recently. Also found recently was the City Of Lehi named in the Bible, where the local Bedouins tell the legend of a prophet who prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem around 600 BCE. And disappeared with his family before Jerusalem was destroyed. The name of the prophet in the legend is not known, to them at least. But I suppose Joseph could just be a God level guesser with an active imagination, as many imply.

[@richardholmes5676]

​@@bartonbagnes4605 What is your response to the reality of Paul Gregersen debunking the arrogant Egyptologists? Paul proved Smith right, the Egyptologists wrong. What is your response?

[@bartonbagnes4605]

@@richardholmes5676 Remarkable, since only 5% of Egyptian documents have even been translated. Who knows what else will be discovered in the rest?

[@BOFAFett]

Amazing video. Had questions I wanted to ask Mormon friends I have, but afraid to ask. I would never try to talk them out of it. If what you believe makes you a better person, I won’t interject. Thanks for the info I’ve been looking for.

[@richardholmes7199]

The above video is a bunch of crap.

[@jakedober5410]

Give me a call over google hangout anytime. Just send me an email and I'll send you the invite and I'll explain how we know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth. [e-mail]

[@kelliintexas3575]

They believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri!!!! QUOTE: " the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County...." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)

[@lloydmunga4961]

Southpark gives a good lesson on this

[@toddadams8420]

@Sam Bacon so 190 years from now there will be a video like this about scientology

[@Soy_Preinaugural]

🎶 Smart🎶Smart🎶Smart🎶Smart🎶Smart!🎶😅😂🤣

[@BigKotorFan]

This is a very well put together video. If anyone questions the info brought by this video, it's easy to verify it. Though I do expect many Mormons to be offended by this.

[@richardholmes7199]

Their anti-Book of Abraham info is wrong to begin with.

[@shawnmcaraphy5973]

+Richard Holmes Who is laying on the alter?

[@steelman1506]

Richard Holmes You're funny. Yes we know that now Joseph Smith was simply saying that our internal organs should be pagan gods....by your interpretation of the facsimile this is what Mr smith was saying. LOL

[@TheFpCassini]

+Richard Holmes please elaborate. thanks.

[@richardholmes7199]

@@steelman1506 Were you STUPID enough to have believed the Egyptologists were right? Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube'' to see this translation of the sensen text the right way. Then tell us if you all were indeed STUPID enough to have trusted an arrogant Egyptologist, then came to find out the Egyptologists based everything on false assumptions on translation. Let me know if you all and the Egyptologists were STUPID enough to have believed the Egyptological assessments on translation were right, in other words.

[@cctvspystore]

Damn, this is like reading/listening to a Bad Sci-Fi novel

[@michaels4255]

Indeed, the BoM itself is just Spalding's unpublished fantasy novel with a bit of theology added by Sydney Rigdon: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXaTi4xmjKerY9k

[@gowdsake7103]

Quite a lot like scientology

[@racerx4152]

scientology is far far worse.

[@gowdsake7103]

@@racerx4152 In terms of being made up BS ?or just in the manipulation ?

[@joelnilespeterson]

AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN A MORMON AND CHRISTIAN MORMON = M CHRISTIAN = C M: You’re a liar. C: What did I lie about? M: Everything. You’re a liar. C: Can you give me a specific? M: Everything. C: Come on, just one example so I can defend myself M: You are a son of the Devil, the Father of all lies. C: Did the Devil lie to Adam and Eve when he said they could be gods? M: No. He told the truth. C: I’m confused. If he’s the father of ALL lies, why do you believe him? M: He lied about everything else but that. C: Why did he tell the truth about that? M: You’re anti Mormon and a persecutor. C: Doesn’t your Book of Mormon say I belong to “the whore of the earth”? M: Yes, and it’s true. C: Didn’t Joseph Smith say that Jesus told him that all I believe is an abomination in His sight and that I am corrupt? M: Yes. So? C: How does defending myself constitute persecution? M: Because you lie. C: About what? M: Everything. You’re evil. C: But I put my faith and trust in Jesus Christ. M: Oh yeah, that Biblical Jesus who thinks He’s God incarnate. C: You don’t believe that? M: No. And in your heart you don’t either. C: Don’t tell me what I believe. I thought you Mormons believed in the Bible? M: Only “as far as it’s translated correctly” C: And where is it not? M: Wherever it disagrees with Joseph Smith. C: So it’s Smith over the Bible? M: He’s Gods Prophet. C: Not in my thinking. M: You’re a liar. C: What did I lie about? M: Everything. C: I need a shower.

[@williep7706]

August Zabriskie That is absolutely sad!!! Absoluetly!!! So Smith Supersedes the Bible no surprise there! Thats why he could be a sexual predator and take 14 year old girls as wives and take other women from their husbands!!!! Yeah that's a prophet for you!!! Ephesians 5:22-33speaks of the relationship between husbands and wives. When referring to a husband (singular), it always also refers to a wife (singular). “For the husband is the head of the wife [singular] … He who loves his wife [singular] loves himself. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife [singular], and the two will become one flesh....Each one of you also must love his wife [singular] as he loves himself, and the wife [singular] must respect her husband [singular].” While a somewhat parallel passage,Colossians 3:18-19, refers to husbands and wives in the plural, it is clear that Paul is addressing all the husbands and wives among the Colossian believers, not stating that a husband might have multiple wives. In contrast,Ephesians 5:22-33is specifically describing the marital relationship. If polygamy were allowable, the entire illustration of Christ’s relationship with His body (the church) and the husband-wife relationship falls apart. None of the Apostles ever took several wives right?

[@joelnilespeterson]

Willie P Nailed it Willie. But you know by now that it makes no difference at all what the Bible says unless they can take it out of context to "prove" their unique doctrines. And yes, it's very sad. They pick a fight with Christianity and then call us persecutors when we defend ourselves. Never forget who threw down the gauntlet at the foot of Christianity. It was Joseph Smith. Through him came the most evil name calling you can imagine. "Whore's, of the Devil" and so on. That is historical fact but do you think the Mormons see it? Blinded by darkness they ignore that it was they who attacked Christianity and Christians long before Christians said a word. But listen to them here? We are the evil aggressors attacking without provocation. How dare we disagree with them. Here's the deal Willie. They believe they are the Elite of God while the rest of us wallow in ignorance. Try this on for size:They are literal children of God and a Goddess. They have the monopoly on all truth.They will become gods with their own planet and children.They will become Supreme Beings.They are "chosen ones" of God to bring forth the gospel They are the smartest people on earth and some say the best looking.They were, if they're while, valiant spirits in the "pre-existence"They have superior scriptures.Oh heck, I could go on and on but you get the idea. One of the things I had to come to terms with when I left Mormonism was that I was just another sinner with nothing special and nothing in my hands to offer God. That's quite a fall from the above god in embryo. Well, got to run to work.

[@williep7706]

August Zabriskie Thanks for the info August I didn't know that. And didn't know you were a former Mormon either so that helps.. talk at ya later Brother God Bless ya!!

[@gunnerlawts]

August Zabriskie Nice try at making us look as though we are in it to be superior. It is your warped viewpoint. Mormons preach to the world better than Christianity has ever done, but not out of superiority, out of God's help. If we thought we were superior, we would not want to convert the whole world. If we did not have God with us, we would be as bad as Christians at it. But it does not stop there. Mormons spend much of their accumulated wealth building temples so that nobody in the world misses out. By the end of the millennium we will have given all the necessary saving ordinances to every person who came to earth. Contrast this to Christians who say to hell with the bulk of God's children. They miss out. These actions alone disprove your vile accusations. You like to have nothing in your hands to offer God. You love your money more than God, and you can't pay tithing. That is my guess at why you select a cheaper alternative. No $20 knock-off can replace a Rolex. You won't fool God. At your age, you have little time left to continue doing so.

[@williep7706]

August are all Mormons this ignorant? Really? There are 100,000's of Christain missionaries all over the world? There are countless Christian Ministries that are feeding the poor and clothing them and sharing the Love of Jesus and talking to them about why Jesus came to die on the Cross to Save people from their sins? There are countless Churches including my own that has 3 different church locations the 3rd to open soon and we have soup kitchens to feed to poor and several churches take turns doing what's called "Christ Net" where we house the homeless for a week and rotate them to a different church to keep them from dying during the winter? I have been on mission trips to Haiti feeding people in Haiti and seeing many of them come to Christ and seeing miracles happen by the power of God to save a whole family from dying when there was no hope? So August do tell me are many Mormons this naive and ignorant? I in fact have a Christian Brother in Christ who has went to prison in China where the Gospel is illegal to share but he shares it anyway in code by reporting back to the States talking about fishing trips b/c u can't talk about Christ so u have to speak in parable type letters to fool the gov. So I have no idea what these Mormons are talking about when there are 1000's of ministry that are doing Gods work by going out and sharing Jesus the Love of Jesus on a regular basis. My Church does it and many others talking about the Love of Christ… Anyways and u know why I ignore naive speaking people who have no clue of what is going on.. Oh wait I forgot.. Mormons know what you are thinking right now? I wonder if they know what I ate tonight like God the Father knows what I ate or what i'm eating right now? Since they claim omniscience and i have had them claim they know what i'm thinking.. they should know what my meal is right now that God has continued to bless my family and feed us.. But they are not like God the Father b/c they are nothing but men.. and will die like men.. But God like God said in the Bible there is none like Him and there we be none after Him.. so i'm going to continue to ignore the most naive fools out there…. I guess the Christian that was beheaded by ISIS the 21 back about 4-6 months ago that screamed the name Jesus right b/4 he was beheaded wasn't in love with Jesus either right? What person do you know dying by beheading crys out the name of Jesus like Stephen when Stephen was stoned in the book of Acts? Seems like to me that the man that screamed Jesus' name while being killed for the Faith knows what it means to die with the name of Jesus on his tongue just like Stephen and the guy was not a Mormon but a Bible Christian last I checked.

[@laurensiemens1436]

What worries me is not mormonism. .I know it's false but what makes me afraid is some of the doctrines of mormonism is creeping into main stream Christianity ie Benny hinn with his man God doctrine and others that are in his barrel of trickery

[@godsoffspring4195]

Well, if even the dumbbell Benny Hinn is bright enough to know the scriptures and Christ Himself taught, God is an eternal heavenly man..... why would you be worried Mormonism??

[@Robinfuckable]

Did Joseph Smith translate the Book of Mormon by putting a magic rock in a hat and sticking his face in his hat?

[@richardholmes7199]

Still spreading your crap?

[@MrDirtclodfight]

Yes Billy...

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Yes, no, maybe so. I wasn't there but apparently he sometimes did it that way.

[@meganl41]

@Bin Ren yup, and then he put on the magic undies... but I have to wonder how much he actually wore them, with all those wives.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@meganl41 He wore then 23.5 hours per day, on average. That's a guess of course; your mileage may vary.

[@williewilson1206]

So in other words Joseph Smith is a liar 🤥 !

[@ralphwiggam7630]

He lied continuously, habitually, his entire life :(

[@djadams7795]

No the video is full of Kafka

[@ralphwiggam7630]

@@djadams7795 Name one thing in it that is wrong?

[@djadams7795]

@@ralphwiggam7630 i can name a ton of things wrong.. No wonder your comments are shadow banned, feckless one.

[@ralphwiggam7630]

@@djadams7795 If you can "name a ton of things" ...should be easy for you! Name just one lolololol 😂😂😂

[@BFDT-4]

Can Masons fake their way into the Mormon CK? ;)

[@terryturner3429]

Whatever is said about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I can personally tell you that I am a Christian. I know Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. The great I AM, from the bible. I was a Baptist before joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and all I can tell you is that it makes a lot more sense than all the other churches. I know they have some truth and I am thankful they taught me that because that made it so much easier to become a member of the Lord's true church. I understand how others feel and just pray one day they can feel the joy and happiness that I feel. Just going to church on Sunday and going home and doing what makes you happy the rest of the week is not the Lord's way. We do not earn out way to heaven " we LEARN our way to heaven". And yes, God's grace is sufficient! Love to all

[@godsoffspring4195]

Amen!! :>)

[@2326038]

terry turner Inserting the name Jesus Christ into the name does not make mormonism a Christian religion. Furthermore, mormonism is not recognized as being a Christian religion by any of the true, orthodox believing Christians churches.

[@terryturner3429]

@Avenged- Sevenfold When Jesus was on Earth He prayed to the Father. Was He praying to Himself? When Jesus was baptized, a voice came from heaven saying, this is my Beloved Son , in whom I am well pleased, and the Holy Spirit appeared as a dove. On the cross, Jesus said unto thy hands, I commend my Spirit. There are just so many scriptures that testify of 3 personages in the Godhead. Yes, they are one in purpose as 3 people have the same purpose in mind if they are digging a hole. All three are digging the hole but they are one in purpose, to dig the hole. Jesus told His disciples that they should all be one, as he and his Father are one. There are so many scriptures that testify of three distinct being But being One in purpose that I can't even put them all here. Jesus also said in the scriptures, if the church is mine it should have my name. You need to read your bible. Have you ever read it? Are you a Christian? Just wondering.

[@terryturner3429]

@@2326038 Just because it's not recognized as Christian doesn't make it not true. The scriptures do tell us Jesus said, if the church is to be mine, it should be named after me. Read your bible!

[@2326038]

@@terryturner3429 Quote that scripture terry.

[@historyoftheldssaints4295]

This video is surprisingly very accurate in its presentation of the 10 issues explained

[@richardholmes7199]

The Egyptological crap was debunked in the year 2014, where have you been?

[@robertrosskopf4641]

@@richardholmes7199 Every time the church is supposedly debunked, wait a month. It will be undebunked. The complicated reasoning that "debunked" the Book of Abraham was based on false assumptions. One of those assumptions was that Joseph Smith wrote the Kirtland Egyptian Papers. If he did, he did it in someone else's handwriting. Another assumption was that the KEP were translation notes. It can be demonstrated that they are not translation notes. The third assumption was that the eye witness testimony of both member and non-members was wrong concerning the length of the Book of Abraham scroll. The Book of Abraham scroll was maybe 20 feet long, and certainly not the 1 or 2 page Sensen Permit.

[@nerdnul]

@@richardholmes7199 Have you discovered the truth yet Rich?

[@richardholmes7199]

@@robertrosskopf4641 Strange how that these anti-Mormons make assumptions, get proven wrong, ignore it, then continue on as if no one will ever notice.

[@robertrosskopf4641]

@@richardholmes7199 People seldom know when they live in an imaginary world. That is true for both members and nonmembers. There are traditions in the LDS church that did not come from a prophet's revelation. And sometimes we as members are entirely too trusting. Sometimes though it would be wise for Skeptics to be skeptical of the skepticism. Doubt, by itself, isn't a source of Truth.

[@l.a.6522]

Idea of mormonism came from hell along with the book...

[@bobbyc.1111]

thats a fall judgement. You say nothing specifically

[@l.a.6522]

@@bobbyc.1111 u dont know whats going in hell... lol...

[@bigcountry3375]

Hell means grave

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

Hell doesn’t exist.

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

HEAVEN IS 4 REAL because the whole concept a loving God throwing his children into a furnace just because they pissed him off doesn’t make a lot of sense. You can’t talk about loving your neighbor and acts of genocide, both concepts are not compatible So the concept of Hell does not make sense.

[@orchidorio]

Hey, ya'all, don't forget about all the Mormon episodes on South Park !

[@yowwwwie]

When I think of my Mormon friends... I'm Catholic....the strength I see is in their networks and their admonition against using drugs. I refuse to call these kids "elder" anything, as I am their elder. Y

[@Anthropomorphic]

@Ralph Wiggam Or like how Catholics call priests "father"?

[@claudiachurch4285]

your Catholic , Im so sorry how dreadful to belong to a church whose main activity is to see how many children it can rape

[@TheWormsEquals]

Not fed up with the child molesting, the stealing and selling of babies or the hiding nazis? That's as evil an organization as there is, get the fuck out of it!

[@matthewcromar9944]

Videos like these always put a spring in my step.

[@richardholmes7199]

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[@Rypaul5217]

"Soon after I came to the realization that the Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be, I became deeply upset. I had firmly believed that it was true. I had not been looking for evidence to prove it wrong. I had been looking for research that could be viewed as supportive. It was a shock to have my belief shattered so quickly." [ex-Mormon Bishop and micro-geneticist, Simon Southerton]

[@richardholmes7199]

You're kidding no one. By the way, what's your take on ROBERT RITNER and the other EGYPTOLOGISTS being DEBUNKED, proven stupid?

[@Grow5ft]

These are all EXCELLENT points, and more than enough to make me and any other sensible person realize the LDS Church is false...BUT, the devout Mormon and dedicated LDS Investigator can dispute everything here by simply saying, "Heavenly Father purposely made all the archaeological evidence disappear and he put all of these alleged contradictions to test true believers. When the time is right, he will reveal all."

[@ericlawton4264]

Grow5ft, I prefer "God made stupid people regard themselves as sensible. When the time is right, he will reveal that to them."

[@valeriegriner5644]

My question is this: how can they follow a "prophet" who seduced married women, young girls(14 y/o) and a mother/daughter combo and one who also used "divination"(the hat and the seer stone) and changed his story multiple times? It all ties into the same thing as Freemasonry...King Solomon's Temple...polygamy....ANCIENT EGYPT....Babylon. I like the way they focus on clean living, family life, big families, community service, etc. They seem to be good WHITE people. It's just that their doctrine is SOOO far out....it's a cult....AND "occult." Plus...next to the Catholics, they have one of the wealthiest churches in the world....very focused on money/secularism. Just my observation....not throwing stones.

[@Wachary1]

You can't get into the temple if you don't pay your tithing. You can't become a God if you don't do rituals in the temple. Basically paying actual money in order to become a God. And that is how you make a ton of money. Best scam of all time. And the dude got tons of chicks.

[@danielmoore4024]

Grow5ft, I've encountered so many uncomforting things but rather than retreating I looked further and waited. Every time I've come across this sort of material I always receive answers that explain all these things as deceivings (sometimes on purpose, some times because of lack of information). Things like forgeries have been discovered, then found the purpose behind it was they wanted to destroy the church. I've come across channels that debunk everything here and through my own research. Let me explain the parts about things like horses not existing. Lehi came from the Land of Jerusalem where horses and metals did exist, he was not familiar with America. So he didn't know what things in America were called so he named things after what they looked similar to in The Land of Jerusalem. Today we still have people Calling crocodiles alligators because they look very similar. Regarding people leaving the church, it's not all to do with the history. Not just The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but all churches are reducing in number because Christianity is under attack, and religion in general for that matter. We now have people saying "never talk about religion". Bias sources like this can't be trusted, the producer of this has told lots of lies and left out information.

[@Grow5ft]

@@danielmoore4024 Daniel, Thank you for your reply. But I would have to respectfully disagree with your response. I can understand the alligator/crocodile mixup, but I simply can NOT accept the horses mixup... Logic and common sense tell me that someone could see a significant difference between a horse and tapir or between a horse and a llama. I also find it extremely unusual/unlikely that Lehi and others in his family, would continue referring to a tapir or llama as a "horse", rather than creating a new word for them. If Lehi was smart enough to successfully sail to the new world and set up a thriving civilization, then he should've been intelligent enough to see this difference. You are absolutely right, people are leaving your church as well as others. You're right again, they're not leaving just because of your history. They're also leaving because they don't agree with paying their tithing, they don't agree with your homophobia and same-sex marriage ban, and your ban on alcohol & tabaco... The sources in this video are not biased. Yes, some of it comes from Ex-Mormons but a fair portion comes from genuine arachaelogical websites, history sites, and highly respected research books. Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, this video is not biased. Cheers. 🤙

[@dannyvalladares5324]

This presentation should be translated to all languages and shared around the world! I'll do my part and translate it into Spanish!!

[@ralphwiggam7630]

Gracias amigo :)

[@djadams7795]

Total idiot. GFYS

[@djadams7795]

Eres pinche estupido

[@djadams7795]

@@ralphwiggam7630 dishonest POS

[@ralphwiggam7630]

@@djadams7795 www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng

[@Andrewlohbihler]

This video simply points to the fact that there are several critical issues with the Mormon religion that make it nonsense, just like every other religion. It is safe to say that humans have a need to believe such things, and so it carries on.

[@richardholmes7199]

Andrew Lohbihler You actually believe this video?

[@marieandre4868]

Hello , forgive me , I read your comment. for me, I will not say a Mormon religion, because it is the Christian religion. people say Mormon , for we read the Book of Mormon, we read the Bible . and the two make a pair . I love how people call those two and study and put in pratiquent.la word of God. Jesus Christ resurrected is noted in the Book of Mormon, he came teaches the Nephites , Jesus said and taught the same thing when he was in Jerusalem. he chose the twelve apostles Nephite . 3 Nephi 9 last is very boring . Chapter 9 : In the darkness , the voice of Christ proclaims the destruction of many people and cities because of their wickedness - He also proclaims his divinity , announces that the law of Moses is fulfilled , and invites men to come to Him and be saved (circa 34 AD ) in Chapter 10 : There was silence for the numerous hours in the country - . Voice of Christ promises to gather his people even as a hen gathers her chicks . - The fairest part of the people has been preserved ( to 34-35 after Jesus Christ) Chapter 11 The Father testifies of his Beloved Son - Christ appears and proclaims his atonement - The people feel the marks of the wounds in his hands, feet and side - The people shout Hosanna - Jesus Christ explains how baptism - The spirit of contention is of the devil - Christ's doctrine is that men should believe and be baptized to receive the Holy spirit ( from 34 after Christ) in Chapter 12 : Jesus called the Twelve and gives them the authority He did the Nephites a discourse similar to the Sermon on the Mount - Beatitudes He says - His teachings transcend the law of Moses and have precedence over it. - Men are commanded to be perfect, just as he and his Father are perfect (Verse 34 AD) Chapter 13 : Jesus teaches the Nephites to pray - They need to lay up treasures in heaven - The twelve are commanded not to worry about temporal things for their ministry ( To 34 AD ) Chapter 14: Jesus command: Do not judge ; ask God , beware of false prophets - He promises salvation to those who do the will of the Father ( From 34 AD ) Chapter 15 : Jesus announces that the law of Moses is done by him - the Nephites are the other sheep which he spoke in Jerusalem - A iniquity the Lord's people in Jerusalem has no knowledge scattered sheep of Israel ( To 34 AD ) Capitre 16 : Jesus visit other lost sheep of Israel - In the last days the gospel will go to the Gentiles and then to the house of Israel - The Lord's people will see with his own eyes he shall bring again Zion (Verse 34 AD Christ ) Chapter 17 : Jesus commands the people to ponder his words and pray for understanding - He healed the sick - He prays for the people using a language that can not be written - Angels used and fire surrounds their grandchildren ( From 34 AD Christ ) Chapter 18 : Jesus instituted the Holy Cèbe among the Nephites - They are commanded to pray always in his name - Those who eat his flesh and drink his blood unworthily are damned - the disciples receive the power to confer the Holy Spirit ( From 34 AD Christ ) Chapter 19 : The twelve disciples ministering to the people and pray that the Holy Spirit comes , they are baptized and receive the Holy Spirit and the ministering of angels - Jesus prays using words that can not be written - It certifies the extremely great faith of these Nephites ( to 34 AD) Chapter 20: Jesus miraculously provides paibn and wine , and blessed the Lord's Supper again to the people , the remnant of Jacob will come to the knowledge of the Lord his God, and inherit America - Jesus is the prophets like Moses , and Nephites are children of the prophets - other belonging to the Lord's people will be gathered in Jerusalem ( Around 34 AD ) . .I continue

[@marieandre4868]

more ... chapter 21 Israel will be gathered when the Book of Mormon published - The Gentiles will be installed as free people in America - they will be saved if they believe and obey , otherwise it will be cut off and destroyed - Israel will build the new Jerusalem, and the lost tribes return ( to 34 AD ) Chapter 22: In the last days , Zion and her stakes will be established , and Israel will be gathered in mercy and tenderness - It triumph ( From 34 AD ) Chapter 23: Jesus endorses the words of Isaiah - He commands the people to probe the prophets - the words of Samuel the Lamanite concerning the Resurrection are added to their records ( To 34 AD ) Chapter 24: The messenger of the Lord will prepare the way for the Second Coming - Christ will sit in judgment - It is commanded Israel to pay tithes and offerings - A book of remembrance was held - ( From 34 AD ) Chapter 25: At the Second Coming , the proud and the wicked will be burned as stubble. - Elijah will return before the great and dreadful day ( From 34 AD ) Chapter 26: Jesus explains everything from beginning to end - infants and children utter marvelous things that can not be written - Those who can not be written - Those in the Church of Christ have all things in common (Vers 34 AD ) Chapter 27: Jesus commands them to call the Church of his name - His mission and atoning sacrifice constitute Gospel - It is commanded men to repent and be baptized in order to be sanctified by the Holy Spirit - they must be as Jesus ( From 34-35 AD ) Chapter 28: Nine of the twelve desire and are promised an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ when they die - The Three Nephites desire and are given power over death, so as to remain on earth until Jesus returns , they are transformed and see things that are not allowed to express, and they are now ministering among men ( from 34-35 AD ) Chapter 29: The publication of the Book of Mormon is a sign that the Lord began to gather Israel to e completed his alliances - Those who reject His revelations and gifts of the last days will be cursed ( From 34-35 AD ) Chapter 30: Command is given to...

[@marieandre4868]

on the other hand this is not the Mormon Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is men who pronounce. Mormon churches

[@Rypaul5217]

Marie andré Does the name Mormon have a meaning? what did Joseph Smith say it meant and how did he come up with the interpretation for that name?

[@j3e125]

My problem with Mormonism is that Jesus Christ wasn't enough so the Council of Gods picked some random American to preach "true" salvation. Joseph has only been able to convert Utah in 200 years, but the apostles of Jesus managed to turn christianity into the biggest religion in about 250 years.

[@TheHBMminecrafter]

Jesus Christ was killed so the church fell away in confusion later so God had Joseph Smith reestablish it on earth in order to prepare for the second coming.

[@j3e125]

Still, compare 15 million to 2.2 BILLION, and is the second fastest growing religion next to Islam.

[@GiveCreditWhereDue]

Julian Escobedo you make a fair point. However you have to acknowledge that Christianity was enforced as 'THE' religion for centuries. As was/is Islam. That makes a huge difference. When you have a governmental decree along with punishments, it has a tendency to perpetuate things with a lot of gusto. Anyway, just my thoughts

[@j3e125]

I don't know about that, some of original gospels were changed to fit LDS beliefs, such as the godhead idea.

[@deerjerkydave]

Julian Escobedo The "Godhead" idea is actually in the Bible whereas the term "trinity" is never used. John chapters 8 and 17 go a long way to explain the LDS view of the Godhead. Jesus is speaking in both of these quotes: _It is also written in your law, that the testimony of _*_two men_*_ is true. _*_I am one_*_ that bear witness of myself, _*_and the Father_*_ that sent me beareth witness of me._ _Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, _*_that they may be one, as we are_*_._ And later in Acts chapter 7 as Stephen is being martyred he sees something that sounds very much like what Joseph Smith says he saw: _But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, _*_and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God_*_, And said, Behold, _*_I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God_*_._

[@OrangePumpkin150]

Very good information about LDS church. Most of the members are shielded from these information. I was a member for almost 23 years. I was deceived by this cult. In the church people I admired, respected and adored were the ones who kept these information from me. It was painful. Thanks to the digital age.

[@gunnerlawts]

You will be telling that to God one day.

[@djadams7795]

No it's not. You won't like how it turns out for you on judgement day.

[@djadams7795]

Lying weasel

[@gunnerlawts]

@@djadams7795 No it's not is dead wrong (excuse the pun), besides being bad grammar - no he won't is the way to say it. Everyone will be telling their life story, even though God already knows them. Strange, but true. As for how it turns out for each of us concerning our rewards or punishments, the opportunity to have the best result ever is the reason why I am LDS.

[@briangriffiths3852]

Joining this cult! You will do so at your dangerous PERIL!!! In one word only! DON'T!!!

[@ralphwiggam7630]

It will destroy your life to be sure ... but there are a certain amount of low-iiqq individuals in society at large who actually NEED a fraudullent cullt to tell them how to lives their lives ... it gives them comfort and a measure of peace to be force-fed liies ... So think of it this way ... any person who actually values truth should steer clear, but there are a few people who need our cullt ... Besides, have you tried our funeral potatoes!?! .. WOW!!! :P

[@briangriffiths3852]

@@ralphwiggam7630 Hi! and a very good Happy New Year to you. Many thanks for your message it's much appreciated. I hope that 2022 will bring you good health and prosperity. Keep safe! Regards, BJG.

[@ralphwiggam7630]

@@briangriffiths3852 To you as well sir!

[@briangriffiths3852]

@@ralphwiggam7630 A very good morning to you Ralph and a belated "Happy New Year" To say thank you for your message. Just to say what I wrote three weeks ago came from the 5 years experience of being a member of this faith. Although a hard task and long shot for people to notice my comments, I came to realise how fake and false! the lies and deceit of this Church are! It has far too many similarities equal to the "Freemasons" Cult society and their teachings are far more emphasised towards "Joseph Smith" and not on our good Lord Jesus Christ! Many other very true and valid reasons for leaving for anyone whom may be interested and wish to know! Please feel free to ask? Keep well and keep safe throughout 2022. Regards, BJG.

[@ralphwiggam7630]

@@briangriffiths3852 Well apologists will say it isn't a problem ... but here's the hard truth ... joseph smith became a 33rd Degree Mason (his father and brother before him were Masons as well). Then less than 2 months later, joseph smith created out own "endowment" ... VERY conveniently, Masonic secret handshakes, and our own "signs and tokens" are EXACTLY THE SAME ... Our cullt is a corrupt, bloated, $300 BILLION dollar for-profit mega corporation founded on liies ... If you are a person who seeks truth ... it is good you got out! ... Godspeed sir!

[@afwalker1921]

Joseph Smith reminds me of Jim Jones. Does anyone else see the comparison? I'm just sayin' ...

[@djadams7795]

Because you are a fake Christian

[@John-st7bf]

@@djadams7795 enlighten us viewers what does it really take to be Christ like?

[@fatbysnacksident3217]

He reminds me of that seventh century caravan robber Mohammed the baby rapist

[@thetiler]

What a GREAT video! I’ve read and seen a lot of videos but this one is one of the best!!!!!!! I would love to see another new name for Burger Kings “Whopper” burger but only sold in Salt Lake City, Utah . “The Joseph Smith’s Whopper Burger”!! The amazingly tasty burger should be discounted only toTBMs!!

[@gunnerlawts]

thetiler - you have just swallowed the whopper.

[@Josephus-f1o]

Great Video I keep watching I applaud your generosity to helping others good work I hope this will help others to overcome the cult of Mormonism

[@ItsMeKelso]

but the mormons argue joseph had a 4th grade education....and could translate so perfectly o___0 ugh

[@robertallison107]

Mormons make a LOT of claims that are nonsense. Translation is NOT done with a rock and a hat ! Silly Mormons !!!!!

[@darkgoat2167]

Actually, the church finally admits that Joseph Smith did use the rock and hat to translate the Book Of Mormon.

[@robertallison107]

MrAtheist Delusion So what's your point ? Translation is NOT done with rocks and hats !!! If you believe he did so, you've got rocks in your head !!

[@robertallison107]

MrAtheist Delusion And, for the "explanation". What a LAME excuse for such nonsense. You get sillier MORE each day. No wonder LDS folks are the laughingstock of Christians ! Billions of Bible-believers worldwide ridicule Smith and his myth. No brains, no headache...

[@robertallison107]

MrAtheist Delusion No, the Mormons are the desperate ones. People are leaving the LDS nonsense in DROVES after they've found out about Smith and his subterfuge. Looks like Mormons have a REAL PROBLEM. A Second Exodus is occurring...from Mormonism to genuine Christianity. OOOOPS !!!

[@CrustyRusty366]

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we will mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, than we will no longer recognize the truth at all, when the truth offends, we lie and we lie until we can no longer remember it is even there. But it is still there. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth and sooner or later, that debt is paid.” -Chernobyl. I feel it accurately describes the LDS church. And it will also end in disaster.

[@richardholmes7199]

It doesn't either describe the LDS church.

[@gowdsake7103]

Thus we have religions !

[@chooseknow1770]

Next time the missionaries come to my house I'll agree to listen to them if they'll watch this.

[@djadams7795]

Why? It's bunk!

[@gunnerlawts]

Idiot, how about you let them watch it AND read my debunks (look back just over a month to show them where to find them), and then book a visit for a few days later? Take the surprise and the bias right out of the meeting.

[@djadams7795]

@Avenged- Sevenfold God's church doesn't have to. No need to draw attention to it. It's just false, and it doesn't need to defend itself while trying to remove it. Such a stupid idea, but coming from you nothing shocks me, fake Christian.

[@gunnerlawts]

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, I can think of two reasons: 1. The church is not adversely affected by bad publicity. 2. Christian cults are all dirt-poor - no cash to sue them for. LOL!

[@gunnerlawts]

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, bad publicity started in 1830. Legal stuff is always a money thing, but more pertinent is the number of Christians who fail to convert on their own money thing. LDS do pay more than Christians, and that's why we are financially well off while Christian cults struggle. You can keep your tight arses who love their money more than God. Go on about it when you wake up.

[@amigos2841]

I'm not Mormon nor Christian but Buddhist but I find videos like this interesting and honestly it makes me even more glad to be Buddhist

[@djadams7795]

I'd want to stay Buddhist too if I didn't know this video is garbage lies

[@stakeelderanderson7737]

I am leaving my Bishop roles in LDS

[@abandonbelief]

Its ok gypsy you've been reincarnated b4

[@tenasanford8878]

Just read the King James bible. It is God's perfect word. Only independent Baptist's believe that God's word is perfectly preseved as God promised Psalm 12:6&7.

[@faasootauloavasai5544]

@@tenasanford8878 Much respect to our Baptist Christian family over the clownish beliefs of the mormons but Baptist honor 9 of 10 commandments. "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy..." God knew the 4th commandment would be forgotten. World history documents who changed the sabbath against God's command. Nowhere from genesis to revelation is the 4th commandment was to be changed except by man's deception.

[@daveyjones9930]

Stake Elder. Why?

[@jacobsmith568]

@@tenasanford8878 a 17th century Anglican translation is the preserved word? Not the thousands of manuscripts that have been preserved from the 2nd century onward in the original language? (Let alone all of the translations and their manuscripts?) Why not any other English translation if there can only be one? I like the Geneva (1560) personally if were to read early modern English translations.

[@2326038]

"We're not a cult, we're a loving family..." - Charles Manson

[@gunnerlawts]

Fool, Manson's family weren't LDS.

[@2326038]

@@gunnerlawts You're deliberately missing the point, as usual.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@2326038 Fool, the Partridge family was a loving family, but how does that make any point concerning the LDS church? If you have a point - spell it out, you lame brain.

[@2326038]

@@gunnerlawts The commonality--- Manson's family was a cult but they denied it. mormmonism is a cult and you/they deny it. OK, smart ass?

[@gunnerlawts]

@@2326038 Fool, The uncommonality - Manson's family wasn't a catholic cult, nor a protestant cult - not even a religious cult. On the other hand, the LDS church is regarded as a legitimate religion, except by Satan's minions who wrongfully label it a cult. OK dumb ass?

[@michaelh5985]

I was just thinking that about l Ron Hubbard,,,

[@mutestingray]

America has an uncanny ability to produce these people.

[@patricianoel7782]

One cult meets another. 😮

[@protochris]

Church archaeologist Thomas Ferguson became disillusioned in his research, and conceded the Book of Mormon was not historical.

[@ralphwiggam7630]

It very much DOES matter. A corrupt, globe-spanning, for-profit, mega corporation founded entirely on LIES is actively destroying families, ruining lives, and demanding 10% of prople's income to go to heaven ... that very much DOES matter :(

[@djadams7795]

Keep crying. This video is the huge fraud. That makes liars out of you.

[@djadams7795]

Best regards to your fake spirit Jesus, wannabe 🤣🤣🤣

[@protochris]

@@djadams7795 I'm not LDS, but their members show outstanding character and seek holiness. They've just got to dump the book of Abraham completely.

[@protochris]

@@ralphwiggam7630 Do you see what those TV ministers are doing; even a straight up guy like John Macarthur is prospering from the gospel. I work around Mormons/LDS, and they are the finest people in my office. I'm not going to judge them. Let God sort that out.

[@anthonybritti27]

Interestingly, Joseph Smith and other members of his family had metal smithing skills. After visiting Palmyra, NY and the Smith homestead, it occurred to me that Joseph Smith or his father or his brothers could have easily forged (in both senses of the term) some plates using a gold colored metal such as brass or bronze. The plates were later taken up to heaven so that further close examination could not be made of the sort of metal used in the plates.

[@djadams7795]

The above video is mostly FAKE NEWS. LINKS to 100's of scholars and research the refute most of these arguments: www.bookofmormonevidence.org has hundreds of videos, and so does www.bookofmormonevidencestreaming.com. Watch this video for the truth about The Book of Abraham, the first false premise in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGKclWh5ob-AjdE. Bruce Porter has been to Israel and Egypt as a world-class scholar, over a hundred times EACH, and has done more research on the Book of Abraham, than anyone who makes "anti-Mormon" materials on it. Could it be that those who "leave" or criticize the Restored Church of Jesus Christ, are no different than anyone who gives up on themselves in blame because of some deeper betrayal, hurt, anger toward someone else (parents, leaders, God, or very mortal people "in-process" like everyone else)? We ALL are hypocrites to some extent or another! It's called PROJECTING ONTO OTHERS our own perceptions, and adopting some other form of truth to fit the narrative we adopt instead, to cover up pain, self-deceive, or explain away our LACK of effort to PROVE things out with all methods available to learn SELF-EVIDENT TRUTHS. Yes, it IS a harder path, but we get to choose. We choose Christ, and the Book of Mormon WILL stand any test of time and fact! These "TOP 10" arguments are just perceptions with statements of assumption, false reports on the internet, bad experiences, or explaining away HISTORICAL FACTS with anti-Mormon "historical" accounts, which were based in hate, bigotry, prejudice, and even murderous intentions and even murderous results! Quote them all you want as "historical" but what are the self-evident fruits? HERE are TRUE FACTS that show this video is wrong: *DNA DOES match the Eastern U.S. Native Tribes with the HAPLO X Group of some of the most pure Hebrews in the Middle-East: the Ashkenazi Jews! *There IS AMAZING evidence of the Nephite/Lamanite Cultures and Peoples. There are over 1 MILLION ancient MOUNDS just in the eastern half of the U.S. Check out the ADENA & HOPEWELL Civilizations. THERE ARE BLAZING EVIDENCES beyond anyone's wildest imaginations that align with the Jaredites & Nephites and more. We have filmed over 12 states worth of museums that yes, have the answers in the Native American Histories of Ancient America. *There ARE HEBREW ORIGINS: www.crystalinks.com/decalogue.html (Decalog Newark, OHIO stone...shows Moses and the 10 Commandments, unburied here in the U.S. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone. How could Joseph Smith ever have known about THIS stone with the 10 commandments on it in New Mexico? www.ancient-hebrew.org/ancientman/1055.html. There was a cover-up about the BAT-CREEK STONE that is in the Cherokee Museum after the Smithsonian displayed it upside down, until HEBREW SCHOLAR told them it was NOT ancient Cherokee, but HEBREW. It's interesting that 2 Smithsonian Curators both were involved in cover-ups (William Powell and E.V. Squires)...even bulldozing Hebrew-looking MOUNDS in the form of a Menorah, and Hebrew Lamp (huge earthworks) to hide Hebrew connections. Why? Could it be that BOTH their fathers were ministers in no other than PALMYRA, N.Y. during Joseph SMith's lifetime? There is too much real history "MormonHistoryBuff" is completely ignorant about, let alone cynical? Any historical account about ANYTHING will have various accounts by different people (ie., the parable of the blind men inspecting different parts of an elephant...each blind man-like blind anti-Christians /Mormons- could each swear they were observing the real elephant...but each is feeling and describing a different part!). His "logic" seems more ILL than logical: illogical. Every organization has discrepancies as a working body that grows over time...and makes mistakes. Pres. Nelson said in his 1st Press Conference as the new President of the Church "We never said we were infallible." None of us is! Never were! That's why there is an amazing person in Jesus who IS real, and is speaking to all the world in Holy Scripture: the Bible, Book of Mormon and more. Isn't it wonderful that some good parents don't do to their children what MormonHistoryBuff's behavior demonstrates? He uses 6 Negative "C's." He's Critical, Cynical, Contentious, Combative, Condemning, and Contemptuous. Perhaps he is basing divisive ideas among people in the Church, which would be right. Many LDS scholars HAVE changed the narrative that has mostly been consistent over 200 years, on the Peep Stone vs. Urim & Thummim, on Evolution (www.UniversalModel.com teaches truth more than BYU "Scholars?" In the 1800's and before, written or oral accounts DID differ, based on very mortal individuals, so we could point out discrepancies in ANY historical account about anything. Thank you for reading if you did this far. I know for myself that Jesus is the Christ, my Best Friend, and that Joseph Smith was a true moral man with an honest heart. He said what applies to all of us: "I'm only a prophet when I'm a prophet. The rest of the time, I'm a man." (Paraphrased). It would be better to live the positive "C's" like Compassion, Charity, Community and Christian principles better...every one of us~

[@gunnerlawts]

@Ralph Wiggam Silly lying wigs, I have refuted this many times, already, but since you keep lying, I will keep refuting. I just might tally the lies one day like I tallied the week's worth of foul mouth you displayed. [The "testimony" of every person who saw the "plates" is invalid.] If this was true, it would be removed from the preface. You lie. [They were all personally related to Joseph Smith.] Another complete lie. The Whitmer's were unrelated.] [They were all deeply entrenched in the foundation of our "Church"] True, but that is only natural. [They all believed in "Second Sight" and seeing things with their "Spiritual Eyes".] Another lie. remember me telling you to prove this after I said only two stated it and that after they had long been apostate? One was even rolling drunk after being plied by Satan's minions. Well, there are 11 witnesses - prove 11 believed this! [Several of the "Witnesses" actually admitted to only ever seeing the "plates" with their "Spiritual Eyes" too ... oops ... ] Get to work or go to hell. [None of the "Witnesses" actually signed the affidavit confirming that they "saw" the "plates". There was one piece of paper signed for them by Oliver Cowdery ... oops ... ] A matter of convenience. If Oliver had made it up, there would be all of the witnesses demand they were not included in the first edition print. None did. In fact, none tried to get their names removed for as long as they all lived. OOOPS! [Not to mention that EIGHT out of the 11 original "Witnesses" all sided with James Strang after Joseph died, NOT Brigham Young.] Poor judgment. Most were already apostate and many knew BY wanted to move West.[They all sustained Strang as "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" too ... including Strang's divine appointment, translation of ancient scripture, use of seer stones, and they went with Strang to his island Kingdom in the Great Lakes ... Oops lol :P] The trip was much easier and they liked swimming. How did they fare as a church? Are you trying to say Strang's church is the true church? You will need a lot more than 8 apostates to validate that nonsense. OOOOPS! Now if there are some really gullible people out there who believe your side of the debate, you are welcome to them - they would not make it in the kingdom, and would be dangerous from within. You serve God's purposes while you serve Satan.

[@gunnerlawts]

@Ralph Wiggam SLW, one more point while you take a day to respond to your other guff I blew away - What's the difference between a man who just promises royalties on the book and one who makes false plates? The making false plates is a lot of work, and just offering a cut would be so much easier. Sort of makes your suggestion stupid, doesn't it?

[@danstephensen9032]

And Satan triumphs through you fools.

[@patricianoel7782]

Read “Studies of the Book of Mormon “ by BH Roberts. He was the early church historian. He found strong parallels of the Book of Mormon to “Views of the Hebrews “. I was a devout member for 64 years. 2years ago I began studying/reading. Believe me, I was devastated to find my whole life I’d been living in a cult. My family is 7th generation. 😮