Top 10 Worst Aces in Pokemon

[@davideostudio2664]

Dishonorable mention: Geeta’s Glimmora, Kingambit should’ve been her ace! Glimmora would’ve been more effective if it was the first in her party to set off its ability Toxic Debris

[@connorwood9211]

Glimmora still could had been her ace and used it first. Like Guzma and his Golisopod

[@davideostudio2664]

@@connorwood9211 Yeah but the two Water-types I had in Scarlet (Quaquaval) and Violet (Hero-Form Palafin) finished him off easily so Toxic Debris didn’t even matter

[@treybrzezowski3259]

@@davideostudio2664 Then swap one of her lesser members for a Rabsca with Revival Blessing. She uses it on Glimmora, Kingambit gets the full boost from Supreme Overlord, and then AFTER that we face Glimmora. And if you think giving a champion 7 pokemon is too much, remember that Volo had 8.

[@dantemustdie00]

Yeah both Ilima and Guzma are smart enough to use their Ace's first cause that's how you utilize their abilities (Gumshoes and Golisopod)

[@geckohunter123]

Wow. Hot take 💀

[@SubwaySandwichBossIngo]

Also for #3, Surf actually does not hit your own Pokemon in generation 3! You can have your Swampert and Linoone just using Surf and not hit each other.

[@SpiderRiderKya]

Yeah, I don't think they added that till, gen 4? So in the *remakes* it would hold true, but in the og games? yeah nothing to worry about for the player.

[@itsturniptime3699]

I’m gonna stand up for Katy here I’ve seen at least 5 KZbinrs get swept by that Teddiursa due to no pre-planning and just trying to muscle their way through which a lot of “first gyms” don’t tend to do from what I can tell. Little bear is a menace

[@dissidiamaniac460]

Yeah, seen many challenge videos underestimate teddy cuz it tera bug. Little dude is stronger than he looks early game.

[@4Tom4lepus4]

Hey, this is probably a weird question, but do you remember which KZbinrs? I kinda would love to see that!

[@Lonewulf321]

That’s not cause of teddiursa. You could lose to anyone if you’re not prepared.

[@gregovaromoreno6318]

For me is really sad that Katy is so hated. I'm from Spain, and Cortondo is based in my town. Is really sad for me

[@jet_set8648]

In defense of Roark, I've nearly been swept by that Cranidos before. Both of them are pretty underestimated imo.

[@AtelierGod]

11:33 In gen 3 when Tate and Lisa was released surf didn’t hit your partner in double battles, that started with DPP.

[@groudonvert7286]

And they do half damage in gen 3, instead of 3/4 like following generation. Combined with Sunny Day, it's not actually the easiest fight if you don't level up a bit beforehand.

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

​@@groudonvert7286specially considering these guys are like 5 levels above you without grinding

[@groudonvert7286]

If you talk about Trace's Mega-Pidgeot, you should talk about Blue's Ace in HGSS. Yes... Blue's Ace is a Pidgeot, aka the easiest Pokémon of his team.

[@gg41451]

His Rhydon is easier to deal with

[@dustinvance243]

There's a reason for that though. They didn't let him keep his Kanto starter because they wanted to keep it vague as to which starter he and red chose. Same reason red has all 3 starters on his team. So they swapped his starter out for the Pokémon he uses in place of it in the event of its absence. So if he's not using the Pokémon that was with him from the start, it only makes sense that the first Pokémon he caught would be the highest leveled.

[@othergrimm6592]

If he wanted to complain about Pidgeot, he could have mentioned Falkner and his Pidgeotto...

[@christiandorr1546]

@@othergrimm6592pidgeotto is a pretty good mon for a first gym leader, I’d say

[@groudonvert7286]

@@gg41451 Not really. Yes he has quadruple weaknesses, but he hits like a truck with a dual stab types that have no real resistance in gen 2 (and he's not the Ace). Pidgeot is weak and has weak attacks, for an ace it's not that great. Pidgeot as a first Pokémon is not good either. Also remember the Ace is normally the Pokémon with the highest level in a team. If in gen 2 Blue has 3 pokémon with level 58, it's not the case in HGSS ; Pidgeot is level 60.

[@zeospark9715]

Funny for the Ice types that they actually have Wulfric Mega Evolve his Abomasnow in the anime and actually crushed Ash. Then the rematch went on to have one of the best gym battles in the anime. Just me stating the case of the anime doing something way better than the games lol

[@musiqkesi1135]

It was also the last gym battle in the anime

[@groudonvert7286]

@@musiqkesi1135 It's the last gym in the game as well.

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

He didn't actually mega evolve his Abomasnow until their rematch, where it was taken out by Ash Greninja after mastering the form. In Ash's first battle with Wulfric, it was his Avalugg that defeated Ash, even taking out at least 2 of Ash's Pokemon in the process

[@sarahlynnroyal9812]

Do radical red 4.0 best team plz

[@leargamma4912]

The x and y anime is 3 times better than the game. But I still like pokemon x and y

[@vel0xraperio]

Tate and Liza's situation is even more dire than it first appears. You can bring a Gardevoir with Imprison to the battle and lock them out of nearly half their moveset if your Gardevoir already knows Psychic, Calm Mind, and Light Screen. At that point, even a Blaziken has basically nothing to fear from these Gym Leaders.

[@groudonvert7286]

Does Gardevoir learn Calm Mind outside of TM in Gen 3 ?

[@vel0xraperio]

@@groudonvert7286 Yes. At Level 21, shortly after Ralts evolves into Kirlia.

[@jbz4788]

Imprison is a move that is either completely useless or overpowered and doesn’t seem to have an in between.

[@ToaArcan]

@@jbz4788 It's extremely situational in the main games. In Mystery Dungeon it turns every boss into a cakewalk. Vulpix OP pls nerf.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

@@ToaArcanah yes good old attract+imprison perma stun.

[@umwha]

Ice types are late game because they live in snowy areas, and the starting area is always temperate. Similar to how volcanos are later game areas, and hence fire types generally aren’t common early.

[@jj_colombia97]

Maxie's Camerupt isn't the best ace but with the theme of Team Magma it makes sense. However just because their base in Emerald is in a Volcano and they use Numel and Camerupt does NOT mean they are a Fire team. The villainous teams in Hoenn use the same type as their specified legendary. Team Magma is a Ground type team.

[@StoicForce]

Indeed. I saw a comic bringing light to the fact that Team Flare is the villainous fire organisation, and Magma is the ground team.

[@just_a_morningstar]

@@StoicForce I haven't played X or Y but isn't Lysandre's ace in those games a Mega Gyarados?

[@StoicForce]

@@just_a_morningstar That's a fair point. Lysandre only has one fire type on his team, actually. Out of his 5 pokémon, two of them are dark types (if you count mega-Gyarados), and in Ultra Moon, he even uses Yveltal (Xerneas in Ultra Sun). In fact, looking it up, the entire team is just a mixed bag of type combinations: posion, dark, fire, etc. I tend to consider Rocket as the 'poison team' with their focus on Ekans and Koffing, etc. but they also use Magnemites among other 'mons. Team Magma, despite being the 'ground team' also dabble in poison and dark types (Gulpin/Swallot and Poochyena/Mightyena respectfully), so a team's association to a specific type is all rather loose labelling.

[@lordfridge491]

Lol, there probably ISN'T a team in existence that's not using dark or poison types 😂

[@jj_colombia97]

@matteolesina8952 it is but he's associated with Pyroar only because of his anime hair

[@thekotakatyt]

Honestly shocked that Skyla with her Swanna was no where on the list. It is...a frankly bad Pokemon, who even if you have a Boldore who is weak to Water, it can survive a hit with Sturdy and do a lot of damage back. She also comes right after a cave full of Pokemon able to learn moves that do 4x effective damage on her ace. Her ace really should have been a Braviary or Mandibuzz. I have never once had any trouble with taking down the swan

[@calamitous_Calamitas]

Silvally is severely underrated. It's almost as strong as Mew and has a threatening Moveset, especially with its type countering your Starter.

[@thefirespecialist9007]

Yeah, but are you really going to willingly use your starter against Silvally? At that point you have almost any pokemon to choose from.

[@calamitous_Calamitas]

@@thefirespecialist9007 on a blind Playtrough you probably dont know about its type switch from Type:Null and just send in your starter, because its propably your strongest Pokémon and faired well against it in the past. At least that's what happened to me.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

It's not just about the stats, it also has a really shallow movepool. Like, Mew is actually not great, stat-wise, with it being good mainly because of having access to almost every single move in the game. Silvally doesn't have that advantage, so it mainly has to rely on the stats, which aren't great. Saying "It's like a slightly worse version of Mew with a small movepool," isn't exactly a compliment.

[@calamitous_Calamitas]

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 100 in everything is gives you great bulk, good mixed offense and good speed. Saying Silvally has a shallow Movepool is just cap.

[@franslair2199]

@@calamitous_Calamitas Cool opinion, let's check what tier silvally is in

[@franslair2199]

Piplup is actually awful into Roark because his only water attack at this point is Bubble. The headbutt is genuinely threatening

[@firekingatlas1519]

I honestly fought Grusha as my 6th gym leader. To me I was thinking there was no way ice would be the final gym, lo and behold it was supposed to be the final gym.

[@AtelierGod]

I don’t remember which order I beat her, but it might’ve been the last if I hadn’t accidentally gotten to the ghost gym before her by coming from the west.

[@starkers1997]

Grusha was my last in both my S and V run

[@connorwood9211]

@@AtelierGod *him

[@peachblossom09]

@@AtelierGod Grusha is a guy

[@AtelierGod]

@@connorwood9211 I’m aware I just didn’t think of it as I wrote my comment.

[@Grimmjowluver123]

As far as the opposite, I think Piers’ ace is pretty good. Yes, it’s deathly allergic to Fighting Types, but his Obstagoon has max EVs in both defenses. Now when it comes to worst aces, imo, I’d definitely say Trace. Though in my defense, he was easy in general.

[@firemaster432]

Geeta's Glimora seriously what were they thinking making that her ace

[@oryxthetakenking8275]

I was expecting it to be number 1 on this list

[@tomnorton4277]

Especially since Kingambit is RIGHT THERE! What the hell was wrong with the developers? If they'd made Glimmora Geeta's lead Pokemon and saved Kingambit for last, people would actually take Geeta seriously. Toxic Debris should be set up at the beginning of the battle and once you've wiped out the rest of her team, you'll be face to face with a Pokemon that's specifically designed to excel when it's the last one standing.

[@13KuriMaster]

Another notch against Ramos..... it's possible for you to get Amura if you chose it's fossil. And Mine one-shotted everything in the entire GYM with Refriderated Return.

[@patricklynch4074]

Roark on here is so odd He's one of the only actually semi difficult 1st gyms ever and is easily the hardest of the several 1st gym rock leaders

[@invenblocker]

Geeta's Glimmora should be on this list because it's just such a mind boggling decision to put it at the end of her team instead of the start.

[@JoeMah.]

I think the reason why Ice-type specialists come later is that by nature, you need to be very equipped in fighting the cold. Like, it is very unlikely that someone unequipped or with poor experience dealing with the cold can survive being in very low-temp areas (in this case, Pokemon that aren't trained or strong enough can't help you much and vice versa in traversing this kind of area, if that makes sense). This is just my opinion

[@Surgemaster2012]

Even in Emerald where their team added Xatu and Claydol, Tate & Liza have a lot of answers to them. Shiftry in particular is a wall for them, there's also Sableye, Cacturne Flygon, Absol all do well too.

[@leargamma4912]

But absol is slow (sadly. I love absol)

[@Surgemaster2012]

@@leargamma4912 So is Sableye,and Cacturne. Absol is faster than Claydol and xatu can't do much to damagee it, you can also help with a teammate. Even water types wreck the gym

[@thedarthbear]

Maybe it's just having used it for Tera Raids, but I'm sad when I see Gogoat on trainer teams when they could be running Leaf Blade/Horn Leech/Bulk Up and either Leech Seed for Sap Sipper or Grassy Terrain for Grass Pelt And be super annoying \o/

[@dragonarcher89]

The ice types tend to evolve mid to late game so if there was an ice type gym, it’ll have to be either 5th or later or outright first. There’s no in between. There’s not many ice types that can evolve early enough to make the second gym hard enough unless u design new ice types that can do that.

[@awesometoadultimate8562]

You could definitely do an Ice gym that’s 2nd-4th. Just give the leader mons like Sneasel/Weavile, Froslass, Rotom-Frost, Cetitan, Glaceon, etc. Castform could work for a second gym leader ace. Even Froslass could work as a Gym 2 ace since its offensive stats are only base 80 and it's not that bulky.

[@dragonarcher89]

@@awesometoadultimate8562 yeah, I started looking at the list again and u could do froslass or ninetails as the ace. Probably would be the best but cryoganal, glaceon, catitan, or eiscue would be interesting enough as well. Delibird would only be good as an ace for a first gym lol

[@ReneePrower]

Is it just me, or is Roark's cranidos actually way more of a threat than Mystic makes it out to be..? 😅 I've always had trouble with the Oreburgh gym when replaying Platinum -- and that's after fighting every trainer you can access on the way. That cranidos just outspeeds everything and flinches like a maniac.

[@xeenproof2024]

The Tate and Liza entry on this list got me down a path. How about bringing a surfer + water absorber? What Gen 3 Pokémon has water absorb? Ludicolo!!! Miror B beat Tate and Liza confirmed It’s only afterwards that I realize Ludicolo doesn’t have water absorb. Got it confused with rain dish but still.

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

It's still a double resistance, so it'd barely take any damage whatsoever.

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

Also worth mentioning that if you're playing the original gen3 games, surf doesn't hit your ally, only both your opponent's Pokemon

[@5Porygon]

Thank you so much for all videos you made. You are one of my absolutely best youtubers ever. :) Jsi borec. Mám moc rád tvoji tvorbu.

[@MysticUmbreon]

Thanks for this heartwarming comment man. It made my day.

[@caiobotelho5884]

Reasoning for ice being later in the game is because ice as an offensive typing is crippling early on or crippling for the trainer depending km the pokemon cause ice types don't get really good moves as much until later on. So it actually makes sense when you think about it power scale wise.

[@Jahamez_YT]

Watching this unlisted

[@shannongrummisch8881]

It’s a real shame that absol appears on this list as it happens to be one of my favourite Pokémon.

[@darkmaster6481]

Fun fact in Gen 3 the move Surf doesn’t damage your ally in double battles that change was made in Gen 4

[@michaelgunnels9694]

You also get a budew in the grass above jubilife before heading to roroak if you are grinding so he was set for failure regardless

[@davidcurtis8427]

Geeta and Glimmora should have been on here. Easily

[@DDKoD]

Can confirm Roost is a move in lets go, I used it on my Dragonite

[@gg41451]

You can’t talk about how easy koga is without talking about Erika or Blaine.

[@mabs6253]

Giovanni's Rhydon as well that thing is a joke

[@williamskelton325]

Koga was more of a challenge for me then Blaine...especially considering you are literally HANDED the move to beat Blaine and forced to have a Pokémon that can use it to get to him in the first place LOL. especially in later games when Koga gets access to toxic/protect.....lol

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

I actually have an Ice-type Elite Four member in the fangame I'm planning out... but I also gave Ice a massive defensive buff (resistances to Ground, Flying, Electric, and Dragon, four types that don't have many resistances) with plenty of type variety to cover Ice's weaknesses, so she's (hopefully) not going to be a pushover.

[@christiandorr1546]

Buff Grass while you’re at it, thanks

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

@@christiandorr1546 I've been trying, but I honestly can't think of any way to make it better. The problem is that Grass already interacts with 12 types (including itself), so there's not much I can do to change it. Maybe a Ghost resistance? Or Fairy? Both? I'm also thinking of making Bug resist Psychic and Dark. Bug definitely needs a defensive buff, too.

[@christiandorr1546]

@@TheEmeraldWeirdo You can remove steel resisting it (never made sense, and it certainly didn't need that nerf in gen 2). Maybe add a resistance to Fairy (or Rock, but that type has enough offensive resistances, too).

[@tomnorton4277]

Make Ice super effective against Water. It always should have been. I'm not sure about the Electric resistance though. The others make sense but what's the logic behind that one?

[@lokao9712]

Bro I know what you're thinking but Ice is the Glass Cannon type I know game freak is obsessed with making defensive ice types work but five whole resistances is pushing ice types WAAAAY too much

[@jarrickhillery8664]

The ice type one is actually just unfortunate circumstance. You can’t really have the player trekking through a grueling snowy environment very early in the game. Imo the challenge with ice gyms is the ordeal of getting that. I still remember the climb to Snowpoint in Gen 4.

[@amandadaley4182]

For Tate and Liza for the remakes, they should have gotten gallade and gardevoir added to their team with solrock and lunatone. Also have them both mega evolve gallade and gardevoir, now that would have been a challenge 🤪.

[@nintendolife25]

I’m still baffled with the concept of Silvally being a legendary Pokémon.

[@dragonite01017]

“Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites."- Karen

[@Aleph3575]

7:41 I feel like Koga is a one of those "The Game was Rigged from the start" characters. Yeah he talks a huge game about poisoning and paralyzing you in to submission. But the very mechanics of the game make it so he can't because he can't stack poison and paralysis. Yes, he can stack poison and confusion, but that's not nearly as threatening as the possibility of not being able to move at all while still watching your hp drain. 15:01 Lol yeah Ramos is a joke. Most of the Kalos gyms are a joke, but Ramos is especially bad. Not to mention, that in addition to all the other possible answers already mentioned here, you could always have picked Fennekin as your starter which basically ownzoned like 80% of the gyms in this game or you could even have pre-nerf full power Talonflame with pre-nerf Galewings at this point. If there was ever a region to not have a Grass Gym Leader, Kalos was it lol.

[@theduskullsociety8095]

To make Tate and Liza even worse: Surf didn't hit your ally in Gen 3

[@geoserenity]

hey now in quick attack's defence, that move has actually saved me a bunch of times. either when heavily paralized or some other time when i had to move before my opponant pulled some bullshit again

[@mrungabunga1291]

I’ve been subscribed for years and years now. Seeing you still be uploading like this makes me happy

[@theponderingwarrior7839]

People rag and Getta for using a Gogoat and Avalugg of all things but for me Trace will always be the worst champion in the series. He's a champion who doesn't even bother having a full moveset on any of his Pokémon. At least with Geeta they had a full moveset and some level of coverage.

[@theponderingwarrior7839]

@@NovaDog-gz4ye what really bothers me about trace is that not only do none of his Pokémon have a full moveset but three of them share the exact same move. Pigeot, Rapidash and Jolteon all have quick attack. Just why? I can understand wanting some overlap in movesets but why quick attack of all things? Because it's a priority move? There are much better choices in that case. I can kinda understand it for Pigeot but not for Rapidash or Jolteon.

[@gsp6517]

Blue also doesn't have a full moveset on his mons on R/B/G and runs shit like Leer and Barrage on his sets.

[@killingragethrowback]

I suspect Gamefreak thinks the fact that Ice is so focused on offense means little kids will get beat by them easily, that's why they leave the type for near the end. Truth is, it would be better as a first or 2nd gym since at that point, there's not a lot of ways to exploit Ice weaknesses yet. Ice even plays well against starter types. Weak to fire, neutral to water, strong to grass.

[@nerdymidwesterner3662]

11:20 My strat in double battles was to always use a fast flyer like Swellow, have him use fly to dodge the surf from a teammate Swampert. Easy insta-win.

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

I just realized about the Ice type boss trainer situation during last week, and the forgot about it. Thank you for covering it in detail

[@haydenprice5800]

This video is meant to be about the aces but you focused on their whole teams

[@variksigurdsson1447]

You should mention that with Tate and Liza in RS ORAS they effetively only know psychic moves so the fight is ultra free with two dark types

[@colehancock7567]

yes the move Roost is in let's go

[@Bleakv]

your reversed gender from legends arceus has level 56 second stage starter on the final fight (after the volo fight i think)

[@giovannidacostagomes6181]

Hey Mystic. You know we love the best team vídeos. So why you don't show to us which best team is the best of the best? You could do the same with the worst team

[@AtelierGod]

Memory items should’ve given some % bonus to damage like plates, maybe half their %?

[@rekc_bcq4816]

I think that if Tate and Liza, just jump a gen and give them Gallade and Gardevoir. It’s perfect. A pair of twins that are male and female getting the psychic types that are gender based branched evolutions.

[@virtualcolt]

All the spots are Glimmora right?

[@gligarguy4010]

Nah Glimmora is based

[@virtualcolt]

@@NovaDog-gz4ye Dude how are you not working on Gamefreak to design champion battles. This sounds a lot more original than having Kingambit as Geeta's ace.

[@donaterdosi618]

I haven’t seen the video yet, but I predict that Ramos’ Gogoat is on the list

[@mattanatior97studios]

Gen 6 has to many bad aces

[@legomagic007_YT]

Gen 6 NPCs are all pushovers from what I’ve seen

[@JanusHoW]

I think the reason Ice gyms get put so late is that most casual players DON'T realize that Ice has so many weaknesses. They probably just think of it being weak to Fire, not Steel, Rock and Fighting as well. And Ice is, as you should probably know, a really good OFFENSIVE type. That's why pretty much every player who uses a Water-type gives it an Ice move if they can.

[@asierx7047]

Ice gyms also tend to show up not too long after the player gets their first Dragon-type, as a "reality check" to show them the limits of a powerful pokémon.

[@jonahdengler3858]

Honorable mentions: Brock’s Onix, Geeta’s Glimmora, Will’s Xatu, etc.

[@adamjsher04]

To add to Tate and Liza, iirc in Gen 3, Surf doesn't hit your partner.

[@DanielRamos-tq7cz]

For me the league in scalet/violet was poorly done also I wish Absol was a psuedo with better stats its design is awsome and Along with its entry in the pokedex sayinv disaster follows it like earthquakes etc sounds cool and that it should be a pseudo

[@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8]

11:05 Why a gym leader has never used her as a ace beats me this thing is a absolute special attacking nightmare

[@guybrush20X6]

I'd say Falkner's precious level 9 Pidgeotto qualifies for Cyndiquil and Totodile playthroughs.

[@crazymutter]

Tell me how this was the video to tell me Sidney's ace was absol and not shiftry 😂 I swear every time I played RSE as a kid he always threw shiftry last and then I never finished ORAS to see him mega his real ace lol

[@nonsensefishing2499]

Love the fallout easter egg “the game was rigged from the start “😊

[@bet0v966]

Surprised Viola’s Vivillon ain’t on this. Not only is she the weakest 1st gym but every other 1st gym leader can take her squad & Vivillon out with their single ace easy

[@majesticespeon3126]

The Johto ice gym can actually be faced as soon as you get your fourth badge not the fifth one you can go through the cave leading to the next route over Do the team rocket episode and then immediately have access to the ice gym leader

[@olafmikoaj3121]

No you can't because you have to fight red gyarados and you can't do it without surf. And you can only use that if you have Morty's badge.

[@majesticespeon3126]

@@olafmikoaj3121 He is the fourth gym

[@majesticespeon3126]

@@olafmikoaj3121 Plus you literally get served from his town you just have to go into the kimono building and you’ll get it for saving one of the ladies

[@olafmikoaj3121]

@@majesticespeon3126 Yes you can get the move itself before your forth bagde. But you can't use it outside of battle without fog badge. Morty has to be your forth gym leader.

[@majesticespeon3126]

@@olafmikoaj3121 I literally just said that in my comment you can’t get there until you have the fourth gym badge I’m not saying that it can be any I’m saying it’s THE fourth gym

[@tyrant-den884]

Chimeco, really?

[@TwoHeadedMeerkat]

Honestly I always struggled with Ramos as a kid. Maybe that's because I got Lucario too late to get invested in it for my team, and I already played FRLG so I didn't to use the Kanto starters again, but I _did_ pick Froakie and had no good grass answers on my team. In those very specific circumstances... he's harder than the Scatterbugs in the starting forest

[@cameronstein8553]

Katy's Teddiursa is the worst ace? Hello, that bear nearly almost took out most of my team!

[@johnnypollack3243]

Keep up the great work and videos

[@maxoyew2965]

A close second is Glacia’s Mega Glalie in ORAS. Doesn’t even have a Normal-type move to get the Refrigerate boost on

[@doot1269]

I would guess that the ice gym is usually in the latter half of the game because the icy areas (and ice mons) are often one of the last areas you get to. Not sure WHY they put the ice mons closer to the end though. would be cool to start in an ice area instead of a grassy plain area for once.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Ice types being a late-game thing made sense in gen 1, when it was the dragon-killer against Lance's Dragonite and the ice-type was super rare and special with Lorelei being an elite 4 specializing in it (just like how Agatha and Lance specialized in two super rare types). Ice Types in gen 1 also had the broken gen 1 Blizzard, fire didn't resist it, and out of the 5 ice mons, 1 was legendary with the stats to match, one was the fast Jynx with the broken Psychic type, and the other 3 had the defensively strong water type paired with the ice type. It only really fell apart later when ice types weren't as favoured as gen 1 but gamefreak insists on continuing with "traditions" like the late ice-type availability and gym.

[@doot1269]

@@youtube-kit9450 Yeah, since the introduction of the fairy type ice has lost its original niche of being the counter to the late game pseudolegendary dragons. The other types it counters are usually earlier ones. I guess the only thing still holding it back from being an early game type are the higher evolution levels they generally have

[@BaconNuke]

The complaint about Ice types.. you know what would have been a fun idea? If SV had level scaling.. like they advertised the ability to do gyms in any order so I went out of my way to confront Grusha early, like second gym early when my team was still weak... was sorely disappointed.. but at least I had the fly points unlocked for later lol Like legit Ice type having one of the *starters* be their weakness will always mean they are not gonna be a good show for their typing since even if you don't choose the fire starter, an average player will have that core I would think since they've been offering those types lot more Katy.. another who imo "suffered" from no scaling.. like I wanted to fight her last because the flavor text said "Trainers typically go after her first because of proximity to Mesagoza" so I was like "okay let's at least see what a late game bug type gym could be" and.. yeah obviously after Grusha I knew she wasn't gonna change.. but legit did her last out of spite lol I think I just salty they said "fight gyms in any order" without following through on what that would imply.. like if they didn't tell us that little blurb, most of us would just do what they wanted anyways, linearly fight the gyms and titans and star bases... and maybe have the info come out "hey they all are available.. but they still are at their intended order" would totally have made people be like "weird but okay whatever" Another thing that they said before release was like "do any story in any order" and saying there were 3 stories.. which implies, at least to me, that you don't *have* to beat all the Team Star bases if you don't want to.. I was tempted to ignore them and just focus on Gyms, but after my Grusha incident I realized the bases won't scale and also that.. the game is same formula of "do gyms with random fights with 'evil team' and lore between them" like all they did was split lore and team up, giving lore to Arven and making you do *another* in-between activity... Wait LET'S GO REMOVED ABILTIES?! WHAT THE FUCK?!

[@austingordon3709]

Let’s Go also removed all hold items outside of Mega Stones. Yet you don’t get access to Mega Evolution until AFTER THE 8TH F*CKING GYM! Also the total amount of Pokémon in Let’s Go is less than half of Sword/Shield’s base roster even if you include Alolan forms & Melmetal. Let’s Go is also the first mainline Pokémon game with forced EXP Share, not Sword/Shield.

[@mkt568]

I think I speak for everyone when I say how relieved I am Joey didn’t make the list with his “Top Percentage” Ratatta.

[@فيصل-و3ي]

He said it, fast no guard mega pidgeot spamming hurricanes was such a menace i still get nightmares from the trauma it caused … not this 40 bp quick attacking ability-less champion level ”ace”

[@Elfking94]

I thought Tate and Liza's aces were pretty good

[@nickdentoom1173]

Wulfric is actually gym 8. I mean, you are a littly harsh on Katy, considering you can get the same counters for Brassius, who isn't even on the list. Yeah, you can say: But Sudowoodo has Rock moves, countering Flying and Fire, but then again: You can get Paldean Wooper and Flamigo early on, both who are neutral against Rock type moves.

[@odd-eyesdragoon]

Should've made Silvally have 600 stats and a better movepool.

[@jakk2631]

Gogoat is very good mon

[@masterjoda999]

Roost was indeed a move in let's go, my zapdos knew it

[@kapteinfint]

Fun fact: Gogoat actually has the highest base stat total of all non-mega/mythical/legendary/ultra beast/paradox Grass types! (Aka all "normal" grass types)

[@othergrimm6592]

I definitely think there are worse options. The three brothers in Gen 5, Brock, Byron, Lenora, Skyla, Milo...heck, even Red's Pikachu.

[@kulrigalestout]

Not sure how the generation that had a high amount of Fighting and Fire types thought that Ice would be a challenging final gym.

[@stevenashley27]

In the 9th entry, you forgot to mention the ice gym leader in SwSh…albeit you battle it kinda late like the others. And it was kinda tough.

[@329link]

The ice trainers being so late may actually be a theming thing. Ice is often only seen consistently in nature where there's typically pretty harsh conditions, and coming across an ice themed location so early might seem... off, at least for pokemon. Not that I think it couldn't work (just go with a more gentle snowfall instead of harsh blizzards and put the starting town in the north for once, or maybe base the region off canada or russia), but game freak kinda tends to be a one trick pony when it comes to environments. They don't often stray from exactly what you'd expect. Another possibility is it's because ice types are among the more rare types for some reason (probably theming again), and are usually found later in the games. Hell, if I remember right, the first place you could get a proper ice type in gen 1 was right before blaine!

[@blacksheep7741]

Even in the show I don't remember Candace having a frostglass

[@shelbybayer200]

Grusha can actually be your 7th gym. Also, technically Grusha has to late game as his Gym is in the Mountains You don't have to take on the Gyms in a standard Order in Scarlet and Violet Case in point my First gym was actually Grass not Katy's Gym

[@MysticUmbreon]

In my first playthrough, I actually took on Kofu as my first gym funny enough!

[@ShouldaWoulda]

Gogoat is actually a really good pokemon given the right moveset

[@supremelordkoga8412]

I freaking struggled against that grass gym leader 😂

[@venomgaming7014]

Nacli isn’t at south province area one, it’s more so near the stony cliff titan.

[@Entinu94]

Silvally: the poor man's Arceus

[@TKnHappyNess]

Roark's Cranidos is a joke due to all the options you have, even more so in Platinum. Your starter, Psyduck, Budew, Machop, Geodude if you get it to learn Magnitude. Even Kadabra can take it on

[@sharpiefumes]

Having Glimmora as a final pokemon is a worse offense than having gogoat on your team

[@wizardmari3497]

Nice video

[@CelestialDad]

I honestly think pre-indigo disk Geeta was the worst offender. Glimmora is designed to be a hazard mon, and she throws him out last.

[@SonBlackHeart22]

Roost is in Let's Go is just for some reason Chase did not gave it to his Mega Pidgeot over quick attack.

[@zephon6745]

We need to come up with better choices of aces for them.

[@LaunchStar340]

Ah yes Wulfric, the 7th gym leader 😂

[@joshuamtzchz2596]

Hey mystic umbrean youre still 1 of my favorite poketubers 4 Real dog

[@drewlevy9557]

Camerupt be wild in Nuzlockes.

[@otowndude08]

I've always said that about the ice type. You need ice type early on and move bug type towards the end.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Why would you want a weak type like bug at the end?

[@otowndude08]

@@youtube-kit9450 bug type is weak but it pairs well with other types, such as bug and steel which as only 1 weakness or bug and water with 3. Being early in the game, you don't really get to use type combos bc most early stage bug pokemon are single type.