Top 10 Worst New Systems and Gameplay Features Added to World of Warcraft

In this video we'll be going over some features that were in the game that players generally didn't like, and were eventually removed or are still part of the game to this day.
-The List-
Intro: (0:00)
10-Mission Tables: (0:08)
9- Weapon Skills: (1:59)
8- Pathfinder: (3:22)
7- PvP Stat Templates : (5:26)
6- Personal Loot : (7:44)
5- Titanforge: (10:02)
4- Warfront : (11:41)
3- Island Expedition: (13:23)
2- LEGIONdaries: (15:37)
1.5 - Honorable mentions: (18:38)
1- Azerite Armor/Heart of Azeroth: (20:20)
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[@jaybayer3670]

"They eventually just removed it in the next expansion and tried something else people didn't like." This is the most wow dev sentence.

[@indeed2207]

Crazy how they never listen to players, and yet, dare complain that player never like anything. We literally keep telling Dev what to do, and they keep not doing it, so fuck blizz.

[@ZombieFighter95]

@@indeed2207 Yeah, and your ideas are even shittier than Blizzard's 99% of the time.

[@garyfrazier5414]

Amen, brother.

[@deeepdish]

@@indeed2207they should not listen to you lol thats not their job. They should however take the feedback. It would be a shit storm if players just always decided the game.

[@a1pha_star]

@@deeepdish ​​⁠ I’m sorry but that is a laughably bad take. Look at other studios like Larian or GGG and how they listen to their communities and their games are better for it! I’m not saying there aren’t bad actors within communities, but devs shouldn’t have a “our way or the highway” mentality, you’re gonna push potential customers away or make veteran players leave (which many have). No studio is perfect, but there should be dialogue!

[@themetalone7739]

Might be cool to follow this up with something about the systems that a lot of people really liked, but were removed from the game for various reasons.

[@benjaminehren7965]

Number one on that lists gotta be pave badges given how much people demand them rn

[@PelleLolWut]

Reforging for me. Never understood why it was not added back in after hit and expertise got removed.

[@Sebastian-fr5bw]

Resilience rating :(

[@brandol75]

@@PelleLolWut count me too on that like. I believe it was because blizzard was about to add demon hunters in legion, where they gain movement speed by mastery and the reforging was 40%. my dh have 13,5 increased movement speed with just 167 ilvl, let alone when max it. Imaging the items that doesn't have mastery reforge the highest secondary stat to mastery.

[@earthbound8809]

@@PelleLolWut 100% reforging. "we removed it because we wanted to allow players to equip upgrades straight away without having to go to the city to reforge or enchant it" :(((( they shouldnt have done that

[@Kikosempai]

"Another BFA feature" hmmm im seeing a pattern here.

[@patrickjin6610]

I hated all BFA systems, corruptions were fine but still pretty bad

[@soulevans3770]

Bfa tried alot and failed

[@wowwt]

@@patrickjin6610 corruptions were fine? lol it was the worst part of bfa

[@treymadison4592]

@@patrickjin6610 I agree. Corruptions were SUPER fun to do massive damage and risk the deaths, but realllly bad for the game as the randomness (and deaths lol) is not good for play/progression

[@zubrhero5270]

@@treymadison4592 On one hand 450k dps and tier 3 orbital strikes and KAPOW! BLAM! SPLAT! Things falling over dead at your feet... and BZZZAPPP NYOOOOOM PSSHHH and firing giant laser beams. On the other hand? My savage Orc Fury Warrior in his bad-ass mog, dual-wielding his 2 bad-ass GIANT axes... and his literal rotation was Charge... and by the time I'd appear at the enemy I was targeting, not only they would be dead, but everything within 10 yards too... by a random Orbital Strike... And then, the _pièce de résistance._ The _cherry on top_ of it all? My fucking magical girl lovu-lovu-beamu. Stood in the middle of a pack of enemies... firing a fucking laser beam from his necklace. I'm not an RPer, so things like that normally don't bug me... but you've gotta laugh haven't you? But... I can't deny it didn't feel damn good at the time. Sure, being hardcore it made it a mundane grind of levelling up your cloak and staying on top of BiS essences and corruption rolls, but, if you look at anyone else remotely more casual, they're getting random items that blow shit up at the end of an expansion where it's like "fuck it... we might as well go nuts before the next expansion comes and strips us of our power, again." It's not what I want from WoW, put it that way... but, if it gets to that stage in Shadowlands and starts mimicking BfA where I lost interest from the start all the way up until the Mechagon patch, I'll be well glad for something _like_ (but not) corruptions.

[@chazhartwayne6493]

TL;DR Why BFA Sucked: The Video.

[@tnecniw]

More or less. Almost all of BFA's main systems were... flawed. (hell one were flawed due to the other being REALLY flawed) I personally found island expeditions really fun... And I liked the CONCEPT of the warfronts... (even if they REALLY needed to be balanced to be more interesting and be a PvP option) But yeah, every system in BFA had so, so many flaws.

[@selalewow]

But like he said, rather than being about exploring the island expedition was less about exploring and more about mass mob pulls which got old fast. I love to explore the game so islands were a let down because my group always yelled at me for wandering off.

[@ZombieSlayerTakashi]

BFA and WoD mainly.

[@dante93nero]

@@ZombieSlayerTakashi WoD is nothing like BFA. The issue people had with WoD wasn't about systems it was mainly because of lack of content and the content besides raiding that you could do revolved around garrisons. BFA had multiple new systems and ideas and non of them worked out well it's completely different

[@raul92a]

pretty much when BFA launched i just had no drive to even start the expac. maybe i burnt myself out in legion but when when i would re sub thinking maybe if i play it might sweep into wanting to play but nope nothing. i'm back now and it's'fun i missed this game and i do feel a lot of regret for missing content when it was current.

[@Drengen10]

tldr: entire BFA expansion

[@legacy_moments]

I mean, it's the worst expansion in WoW history. WoD gets shit but the reality behind it sucking is it had practically no new content after launch. BfA had a lot of content which consistently managed to suck, a garbage storyline, AND pruned, shitty class design. It is and always will be a joke and the devs should be ashamed it exists.

[@nachochicken4636]

BFA was one of my favorites and ive been playing since WOTLK. I dont know why people hate it so much

[@legacy_moments]

@@nachochicken4636 I hate it so much because of the things I just mentioned above lol. The aesthetic/general thematics were not my favorite either. It especially disappointed me because they hyped it up so much and Legion was such a strong expac (yes even despite legiondaries). I genuinely think the only thing you could validly argue about BfA is decent raiding content, but WoW has never had a completely shitty raid in my opinion besides the super short ones and Dragon Soul. With all these negatives said, SL has been good so far!

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@legacy_moments thing is, WoD had potential to be an absolute blast of an expansion, especially since it was a follow-up to MoP and would get the people back who were pissed off about the pandas. And wasted potential is the worst kind of bad, not to mention the content that was there wasn’t very good outside of leveling and raids.

[@MatekFXX]

@@nachochicken4636 BfA top 4 exp for mee to. I dont known how people can not put WoD as worst expansion ever mayby because it was long time ago so the dont remember it. If BfA was to change spot in time with WoD so WoD was recent exp people will give it 1/100 rating it was that bad but they dont remember because of how much time left since that.

[@Bonolovesme]

4:51 The ''Arcane Mage only needing Arcane Blast'' joke never gets old.

[@frostlashali7115]

I will say in terms of weapon skills, it was a fun RPG element of your character learning how to use the new weapon type in their hands. The lack of skill up items and the +5 skills on Humans / Orcs definitely made it "Play these races or you are SoL as a warrior"

[@saphironkindris]

I liked the weapon skills too! It makes sense that if you've spent 4 adventures with a sword, you'll be way better with a sword than a battleaxe. ...It needed some rework, admittedly, to prevent long AFK auto-attack farming

[@soleo2783]

​@@saphironkindris its not realistic for a trained warrior to pick up an axe and literally being unable to hit anything with it lol

[@saphironkindris]

@@soleo2783 Yeah, As I said, it needed some reworks.

[@joaocaselatto3239]

Have you ever done a "spells that did the least dmg in wow's history?"

[@Omnicrom]

Original Lacerate at number 1!

[@Sweetguy1821]

Warriors rend in classic

[@HukarusHuko]

Whole Frost Mage's rotaion at the release of Shadowlands LOL

[@miningfordiamonds7978]

@@HukarusHuko don't forget Fury, survival, Demonology, Havoc and assasination oh and last but not least frost dk

[@Omnicrom]

@@HukarusHuko I swear that when I played Frostfire Mage in the middle of Wrath it had been determined that Ice Lance was a net DPS loss even against Frozen enemies.

[@ValensBellator]

What’s so frustrating to me is so many of these systems (especially pvp/mission tables) have real potential with some fleshing out and balancing, but they just release some barebones version and then say “Oh well, they don’t like it” and drop them completely 😂

[@gorrevisor]

Azerite armor and Azerite Essences both would have been great features. The only issue with them, is that they were designed by donkeys and were completely distanced from their potential.

[@iHaveGrudgeAgainstUT]

I feel like azerite armors wouldnt be too bad if they designed it with the same level of complexity and diversity as the legion artifacts. Essence is fine, just need better balancing and be shared ACCOUNT WIDE!

[@andresviteri8589]

So... I dont see you explaining the problem or giving a solution.

[@Yomom12388]

Andres Viteri It really isn’t that hard to extrapolate what they thought the problem was, and thus the solution, from the comment. The Azerite traits were all boring for the most part and didn’t add all that much to the gameplay. They had the potential to be a lot better and more fun and game changing, but they weren’t. Solution is: shoulda made em cooler. There you go, happy to help.

[@Y0G0FU]

This is the case with everything in BFA. It all had amazing potential but it was designed in the most boring and streamlined way possible.

[@zyella277]

And that where designed to cover up the broken mess that where base casses(which artifacts where aswell, the base classes are increbdly terrible which is still remaisn in sl's but bit lesser extent). Blizz just keeps designign 1expac onyl systems to throw away by end of it to fix their classes, isnetad of fixing the classes.

[@user-mb4xy2cz3t]

I remember a blue post about legion legendaries, devs were expecting that it would take a year to loot all your legendaries, that was the problem right there

[@PeterII]

New idea: top 10 things to know when starting WoW!

[@zukacs]

1-10 dont start

[@obvlious1152]

I don't even need to watch more than the first 0:03 seconds to know that Titan Forging is gonna be in here and Azerite is gonna be in here. Bruh BFA had such horrible systems.

[@obvlious1152]

Ayo i was Right lol

[@Nerobyrne]

Kind of a shame, I liked the idea of Azerite. I just didn't like the concept of artifact power in general. Didn't like it in Legion, don't like it now. It's just a lazy way to time-gate progression. I liked the lore-stuff they did with Azerite, that was pretty cool. But, that's a story element, not a game feature.

[@capitaldcolon1795]

Titanforging was introduced in 2012 tho, not a bfa system. And people only hated on corruptions or azerite armor because they never got lucky. I got all my BiS shit pretty early in each tier (even my Getikku sword from +15) so i was kinda happy most of the expansion. Being one of the strongest damage classes as a warrior was great aswell. Specially in cleave fights, azerite armor gave you such a huge boost with 3 x Cold Steel Hot Blood. I enjoyed bfa and i play wow since 2005

[@Nerobyrne]

@@capitaldcolon1795 I'm going to have to disagree with you on azerite. Essentially, since all the rings are randomly assigned each time, you'd have to reroll so many times that you're never going to get the actually optimal selection on every item unless you're very lucky. Now, WoW has always been luck based, but in the past there were lots of ways to get BiS gear quickly without relying on RNG. Even in Classic you can just grind money and buy some great gear. This loot system was terrible and I'm glad they realized it.

[@capitaldcolon1795]

@@Nerobyrne What do you mean? The same item ALWAYS had the same Traits. They werent randomly assigned. WDYM? If you got the Shoulders from 2nd Boss Eternal Palace, the traits were ALWAYS the same. Same goes for the "Titan Residiuum" pieces. If you got "The Wardens Chestpiece" - it always had the same traits.

[@jerlbays7412]

god, getting a piece of azerite armor that didn't have the meta traits you needed was the worst

[@LainiWeiz]

You forgot one of the biggest complaints with Azerite armour, having to pay to change the traits when switching specs. I have no idea why they did it that way, tier set pieces managed to swap bonuses between specs so I don't see how they couldn't have done the same here. It became less of an issue as the expansion went on and you had more gear but it was still really annoying.

[@indeed2207]

Why would it be free? That's exactly the king of crap that made wow so bad and casual. Before, you had to loot two different set, and that's how it should always be.

[@robertfancyman3873]

BfA is proof that good content can be ruined by bad systems. Some of the all-time best raids are stuck in an xpac that will be seen in a negative light thanks to its many terrible systems.

[@ianwestc]

Battle of Dazar Alor was definitely the best raid they'd had for a few expansions.

[@Fredrikbb]

Yet i'd take BFA anyday over SL.

[@Intrspace]

Why? I loved BfA

[@Oddworldmaniac]

How about a series of videos ranking an exp's dungeons from worst to best? This way you get to talk about the best dungeon in the game tol dagor

[@Dilllll26]

please tell me this is sarcasm you sick bastard lol!

[@dreamermagister8561]

Hirumaredx, do you remember the video in which you "analyze" random people's comment in WoW Forums. Lol. That's my favourite video of your making.

[@ianwestc]

Or Sanguine Depths, the Tol Dagor of Shadowlands.

[@Aggrofool]

Weapon Skills was fine for the era back then, when people liked the RPG-ness of it.

[@pradakahn4890]

Same. Just madly inconvenient if you didn’t keep up on it

[@thendar823]

amen, I loved it back then. It gave a feel of progression when you saw your weapon skill level with you.

[@zyella277]

still stupid it reset for stuff like shaman specing out of enhancement.

[@SchwertdiebZorro]

oh i'm wearing a 2h axe for the first time guys gimme 30 min gotta skill my weapon

[@Bepples]

Yet another instance of people slapping the "RPG" label on any shitty grind system to make it seem positive. RPG doesn't just mean "tedium", you know.

[@anface]

leveling in shadowlands and replacing azerite gear was the best feeling

[@PraiseTheBoi]

@Nolan Booblackie no u

[@akira7752]

They didn't replace it, it was just plain removed

[@IRedpunk]

until you get to the covenant bullshit

[@akira7752]

@@IRedpunk Wdym?

[@IRedpunk]

@@akira7752 borrowed powers, forcing to choose between being competitive or cosmetics. Same shit with a different coat of paint

[@juancarlossantosrosado5888]

Everyone: "WFronts are too easy" Me: "healers arent healing Maiev" Everybody:why the F*ck did we lose?

[@joshholden9391]

Literally never happened

[@thewalrus45]

@@joshholden9391 Iv had groups that were in fact dumb enough to not even attempt to protect Maiev, so it did happen on occasion.

[@ReikaLady]

I absolutely hated master looter, especially since my main is a shammy. When you're in a raid where half the DPS are hunters, you tended tend to get screwed over because "everything" mail related was hunter gear. Except the spellcasting stuff and even then some them swiped it. That's not including the guilds that had the complicated systems to determine who got what. So yes, I love personal loot.

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

Same reason I don’t play Borderlands 1,2 and PreSequel online. Having to fight over gear is dumb and annoying and I can’t even imagine how annoying it was back in the day for WoW where you can spend 2-5 hours on a raid and not get anything just because of bad luck and having upgrades swiped by greedy players who don’t even need it

[@indeed2207]

@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273 it wasn't annoying at all in first wow expansion. you were in a team, a guild, much like a friend group, not a group of random solo players, which is what made me hate raids in wow. You had to work all week for the guild, to help the other member, and most of guild were really serious about that, kicking instantly the players that were fucking around. If you wanted to play as a solo player, you won't enter a guild, that's not where you belong. You were gaining "fame" in the guild, and that how things were most of the time offered. You work well, you get rewards if you participate in big events like raids. Obviously, main healers and tanks were first for every loots, because they are the most importants. But then, most of the time, it was about how much you worked for the guild. Except main grinding guild that were fighting for world first, others guild were kinda chill and friendly, everyone had their chances, you just needed to help others. Main guild were obviously giving gear to the class that were doing most damages, to further boost their damages. Other were giving gears to good players, so they would help the guild more, and spread the word that the guild was cool.

[@davidlogeman1197]

Hey Hiru, I enjoy your content. I was thinking an interesting series for you to do would be a history of the lore of each dungeon in the game. A neat way to do it would be to feature a run though of the dungeon, while explaining why each boss is there and the lore behind them. I'm sure there are alot of folks who don't know why you need to defeat the defias brotherhood, or why they have an ogre working with them? Why do we fight all those Dark Iron dwarves when they are part of the alliance? What is the deal with the Occulus? I know you touch on some of these questions in different videos, but it would be fun to know why each boss is in a dungeon, not just the end bosses.

[@miscellania4263]

I love the lore from TBC - CATA

[@juselara02]

I remember back in WotLK everyone bought the dalaran white quality weapons because they had amaizing attack speed, and equip them and go kill trass mob for ages to level the weapon skills. Other mechanic I was glad it is gone is when you had to go to your class trainer to buy the new skills and level the ones you already had. On another note, My main cannot, to this day, fly in AU Draenor. I never got to do it. (I would have to check it maybe it was unlocked by default recently or something).

[@vomCzumHzumRIS]

great video, thanks for bringing up memories that i surpressed lol. Idea for another video (dunno if you did one like this already): biggest lore moments that were not communicated/shown in-game

[@DoAGoldeneye]

In BfA I played a lot of solo on my enhancement shaman. Having the trait Resonant Shield, which gave me an overshield every 30s on as many Azerite gearpieces as possible was often the difference between killing that elite or not.

[@SpunkMcKullins]

You want an idea? Cover the mechanics and history of Dire Beast. I've been suggesting it since WoD because it has unique mechanics where it summons a random pet from a unique pool of three dependent on which zone you're in.

[@Chaos1479]

I enjoyed the pvp stat templates it allowed me to play multiple classes really easy on a relatively even playing field. I imagine if the stat templates didn’t exist in legion it would be like it is right now.

[@OB1canblowme]

I get so conflicted when watching your videos. Haven't played since middle of BFA because i don't have any friends who play so I'd just have to pug the entire expansion, but I'd really like to start playing so i don't miss out on experiencing the lore the natural way instead of just speeding through the zones from expansions i haven't played

[@huultah]

i hate how legendary weapons became an "epic gear" it was so fun in wlk when you randomly meet that guy with a valanyr and tought "wooow i never have seen one so cool", in other words it was awesome when legendary gear was legendary.

[@emilchristensen8501]

Thank you!

[@alainsterckx9154]

same way with epic gear, these days it's considered starting level gear i remember when i got my first blue gear in wow, it was amazing, now, if you can't get an epic it's trash

[@capitaldcolon1795]

Depends. Show me a warrior in Classic who still wears blue items in BWL. Or Show me a TBC mage who wears blue items in tempest keep. At some point, if youre not a total casual, only epics are an upgrade. And thats pretty early on aswell. Always. Did you guys even play wow back then or do you just repeat what others are saying? About the whole legendary thing: Yeah, you said it. They were extremely rare and almost no one had them. Which is also not the right way. I dont like EVERYONE having one either, but i prefer everyone way more instead of having the guild officer take the first one because he's an officer, if i had a choice.

[@BeyondDaX]

@@vikkran401 and that's how e-peen became a thing

[@capitaldcolon1795]

@@vikkran401 Bosses dropped the same amount of loot than they did back then - and considering my endless grind for SGC i dont think they buffed any drop rates. Your comment is just a good example of rose tainted glasses. No, the drop chances werent buffed and people back then frequently saw thunderfury tanks or shamans with Sulfuras in capitol cities. The game wasnt some magical dimension, it was pretty much the same as classic today except for the meta knowledge and 1.12 talents. The rest is the same.

[@teamspeak9374]

you could have just said "literally everything in 8.3"

[@lagua1236]

Love your vids, keep up the good work!

[@Rumple88.]

Keep up the good work m8, love your vids ;)

[@Holmo34]

Instant recomend thanks KZbin for actual great videos ❤️

[@luiz918]

I still keep in the bank my azerite armor along with Mists of Pandaria and other expansions equipments, legendaries and trinkets to use during Timewalking. Raiding with BiS Timewalking gear is amazing. I almost always get top at dps or healing meters - and by a substantial margin.

[@relecor]

I appreciated your background piano music! It was a nice change from most other channels.

[@matiaspapa1065]

do you know the title to that piano music? The first one specifically

[@iM_NEERO]

would love the same video format for most liked systems in the game. nice videos!

[@19Szabolcs91]

What about the absolutely awful PvP ranking system of Vanilla? Anyway, I agree with many things on the list, but when it comes to bad BFA features, there's no way Islands are worse than Warfronts.

[@gishathosaurus6828]

Should have replaced the weapon skill tbh, much more annoying imo. Requires you to literally have no life for months just to get R14

[@19Szabolcs91]

@@gishathosaurus6828 Yeah, weapon skill imo is a fun flavor thing during leveling up, even if it's pointless at max level. The only truly BS thing about it is when you get a weapon skill by a talent, and every time you retalent, you have to grind the 300 levels again.

[@Rivexd]

@@19Szabolcs91 wtf is that really a thing?

[@19Szabolcs91]

@@Rivexd Yep, I believe enhancement shamans for example learned some weapon skills by talent. And when they cleared their talent points, the skill level for that weapon was also erased, even if they picked the same talent afterwards. Edit: I actually looked it up now, and it worked like this until near the end of vanilla. So if you play Classic today, since it's v1.12, it's not the case anymore.

[@Rivexd]

@@19Szabolcs91 must be the reason why I haven't heard of that, I've never actually played Vanilla, just Classic

[@brolfudon]

I'm still upset that they removed the effects on the legion legendary's. For example the gun for the hunter that was supposed to give you a cool pet. I got a hunter to level 10 as quick as possible just to get that item for the pet just to see that the effects are inactive

[@estrellanarvaez-reynolds7387]

That’s slightly different, you’re talking about your Artifact’s special ability. I do wish we got those back, but legion legendaries are still usable if you do Timewalking.

[@samukynhagameplays]

@@estrellanarvaez-reynolds7387 really? They keep the whole tree on tw?

[@KennySpace]

What music do u use all the time- i have a piano song in my mind But can’t find it i think its from one of your videos before and its very similar to the one at the Ending with the azerite armor ^^ would be happy if u could maybe tell me where you take ur music from ^^

[@sebastiancifer]

As a PVE player Ai really liked the stat templates, then I felt encouraged to play PVP

[@royalcat10]

That was the biggest problem, though. You felt encouraged to play PvP because you got a leg up over people that play PvP as their main focus. The people that actually primarily wanted to play PvP got *discouraged* from playing because they were forced to slog through a bunch of PvE content they never liked... While you got a free pass because you were already doing that anyways. (And presumably enjoyed it, which is fine.) Previously when there was resil or pvp power, *everyone* started on ground 0 and had to work their way up for every new character. The only way to get better at PvP was to... Play PvP. The PvE players that felt "discouraged" by that system weren't really, because *everyone* had to go through the same thing, including PvP players. It was just they didn't want to put in the work to get better that everyone else had to do. (Not necessarily speaking about you specifically.) I don't see how anyone can call it fair that players that apparently didn't even really like the PvP aspect of the game got priority and special catering over the people that actually did like it and play it. Imagine if you were forced to do lots of PvP content to be competent in PvE... Sounds unfair, right? So why was it fair the other way around?

[@cyanidematt]

On warforging you forgot that it caused a lot of resentment between players.

[@djcheezenipz3292]

I like personal loot, though I came back in BFA after Mists

[@caste215]

I'd love to see a video on not game but lore changes as the game as evolved from vanilla, retcons, walkbacks etc

[@beyond6storm]

Legiondaries: didn't get my bis ones until somewhere in the middle of Nighthold, at which point I had about 5 of the... many that there were. Beyond that I got everything that was available before the release of ToS. The day they released the 2 additional legendaries somewhere during the broken shore patch, I got both. By the end of Legion I had enough legendaries on my main (and virtually only) character to fill the legendary selection of 3 other characters. I had somewhere around 175 days /played for the duration of legion.

[@sujezz]

I remember people always hyping shit features on yt videos before next xpac. I saw ppl hyping legion legos and I knew "this is gonna turn out terrible", I saw bfa islands, the amount of hype from people usually talking game is broken was immense and I knew "dis be a shit, mon". So if you see something being hyped in popular yt vids its gonna be the same.

[@sarahparrish7206]

I remember getting my first Legion-dary from a blingtron, then i got my BiS legendary from my mythic+ chest- the same day it got nerfed -.-

[@lavienrozy1867]

Shadow Satyr's Walk. Nerfed in the following morning. At least they stood on for a whole night like a man.

[@LorgenusBlackmane]

While warfronts were kinda easy, I will never forget how many times I have seen a lost warfront while playing on Horde.

[@littlegaminghelper97]

I loved your lore videos! Could you maybe do a lore video about each expansion and the overarching story, maybe even some of the side characters/side zones stories. I never got to see the alliance storyline from bfa for example as I'm always horde side.

[@UchooGaming]

Alright here's a free video idea: Hardest bosses in PUG LFR. That should be a long list lol-

[@adamthegreat2312]

How can there be a pug LFR? Don't you just queue up for LFR and get in a raid with random people? I know puging has similar thing, but for pugs, you need to form a raid group, invite people in to actually do the raid. Am I missing something here or am I thinking correctly?

[@zyella277]

Kiljeaden, Archimonde, n'zoth, the eyeball boss in ToT.

[@freshfilmproducts]

in my opinion, the best part about the legiondarys was the way you obtained them. Everything you did felt like it was was worth it just because you increased your bad luck protection. Run a raid, dont get any loot, doesnt matter, because you will probably get a legendary soon for doing that. The system would have been perfect if you were able to disenchant 1 to 2 in order to craft the one you want.

[@TheArdomur]

I agree. Getting a Token would have been great. The way it was, i got my BiS legendary as the very first drop one the first dungeon i ran. My guildmate got the worst one and had to sit on the Bench on progress, just because he couldn't keep up with the dmg of my legendary. He than got a BiS legendary on an alt and stopped playing his main, cause he was so frustrated. Turning in a Token would have eliminated that. I mean everyone would have ran around with the same legendarys, but getting the shield neck as DPS while others get +25% more dmg was bad and frustrating

[@durgtharaden7299]

Far better than weeks in Torghast

[@Thorn_Ursulo]

Oh, one of my favorite azerite traits was for BM hunter where using aspect of the wild gave a massive amount of mastery stat, which was just completely fair

[@jamajnasoares5702]

"Complete all quests of the expansion in order to get Fly which would help you to get all the quests in the expansion." That back then was the ultimate mind-f*** for me. Did got my all game Loremaster in the last days of BfA, but bruh... what the f***

[@AxielFan]

I really hate open world mobs scaling with item level. In any RPG you should get better at fighting with better gear, not have a "balanced" experience.

[@bisalissy3846]

They do? Since when? I remember going around in Legion 7.3 as Blood DK 2HKOing everything :D

[@ZaThrint]

@@bisalissy3846 Mobs scale to your level until you hit level cap where they start scaling to your item level. I know the item level scaling was most noticeable in BfA

[@scepts]

I miss legion artifact. Actually working towards a cool skin was fun

[@ghostsinthegraveyard5766]

its been pretty dissapointing with the current weapons thats for sure... kinda hate having reskins for each set

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

I love spec fantasy that weapons give, sad that my BM gun can be used by some stupid MM hunters that are out one shotting people with lightning, not weapon for snipe shooting!

[@Kracker5000]

HELP!!! Does ANYONE know what addon is at 10:44 in the video? The addon that puts the little spinning "stars" icon on items you have no yet collected?

[@christiaanvictor5790]

I'm so glad WotLK was the last expansion I played. I have very fond memories of completing actual challenging raids, and I'm gonna keep it that way ^^

[@josiahdoddema3265]

Top ten rarest battle pets or top ten best battle pets to use

[@freddyt09]

the scaling cost of reforging azurite and then having to fill your bags with a ton of random azurite pieces you'd probably never use was also extremely annoying. It would also occasionally setup greedy situations where people would have azurite pieces they could trade b/c they already had them but would then keep them just to not have to pay 40k gold to respec them on top of having a specific place they have to go to respec them. Also at the very beginning of the expansion azurite gear wasn't even tradeable.

[@PeterSedesse]

My most embarrassing WOW moment came with weapon skills. I was generally a Moonkin Druid, but one day I decided to try tanking.. Did LFG and got a group. Went into the dungeon and pulled the first mob and saw ' your weapon skill has increased to .1' or something like that. The DPS were pulling aggro all over the place because I wasn't hitting with any of my attacks...

[@TommyDaGreatest]

Island Expeditions were nice after 8.1 when tokens were used for something. Saying they abandoned them isn't correct either, as they added new NPC vendors near the end of the expac with lootboxes you could purchase to get random loot from the expeditions, including the sought after mounts. So they gave people an incentive to grind them.

[@thegentleduck4277]

Whenever I wanted to level up a new weapon skill as Alliance in Wotlk, I would take a quick trip to Theramore. Those lvl 1 training dummies were a godsend to leveling WS, especially since my roleplaying warrior was a weapons master and that of course meant i needed max level with all weapon types.

[@selalewow]

Great way to get "Anyone order a knuckle sandwich" achievement

[@machmutmachmut3994]

12:15 Me having flashbacks from the one time I actually lost

[@Evan-mt7bc]

The biggest problem with Azerite armor as somebody who dropped BFA early on was, as a Ret main my best Azerite trait was a trait that increased Avenging Wrath duration. Like this trait was so good it was worth sacrificing like 20-30 ilvls just to have a piece with this trait because early on Ret was pretty much only a usable spec in Avenging Wrath. Massive problem being that the helmet version with this trait only dropped from the final boss of Freehold and trying to get this helmet with a decent ilvl on it was probably one of the worst experiences of my life since when you completed a m+ dungeon you'd have a CHANCE to even get a piece of gear then not only that it was of EVERY piece of gear that dropped from that dungeon and BFA added a TON of gear to the game, I think Freehold dropped like 15-20 items or something for Ret in a 4 boss dungeon. Then from the weekly chest it would grab a piece from EVERY dungeon in the game that dropped. There was also a massive issue with weapon acquisition in BFA, I remember Horde got the first weapon world quest and people actually rerolled from Alliance to Horde just for this weapon. Early BFA was an absolute joke of an expansion if you cared even a tiny bit about gear hearing all these lies Blizzard was spewing about how Azerite is going to replace tier sets and Legiondaries and the Artifact Weapon trees themselves passives and gold traits and then 99% of the traits in the game were passive traits that had a chance to do X damage or a chance to increase X secondary stat. There was also the GCD change that put everything on a GCD and dear god I'm sure you remember but if you actually played Legion on a character then tried levelling that character through BFA you actively and noticeably got weaker every time you dinged, it was an absolute joke. Then on top of all of this BfA introduced an even more extreme version of ilvl mob scaling in the open world so mobs would scale as you got higher ilvl. Even on fully geared Shadowlands characters BfA mobs aren't that much weaker than Shadowlands mobs despite being 10 levels lower, that's how crazy the BfA ilvl scaling is. So in summary you were lied to about gear, your class was clunky and always on GCD, most classes were doing like 60-70% of their total damage as auto white hits, your character got actively weaker as you leveled up and even if you managed to get gear you never actually felt it because everything still had the same time to kill.

[@alvarosanchez8470]

I actually like pathfinder it's a nice compromise between people who doesn't like flying mounts and people who can't live without them. I personally like the adventure sense and interactions with people that not being able to fly bring to the table... but that eventually wears off, so it's nice to being able to fly for convinience when you have "exhausted" the zones. That being said I still don't understand why flying is not unlocked for everyone in a given expansion after the next one have droped.

[@apaxtoa]

No idea how BFA PvP scaling was not on this list, i mean not even an honorable mention?

[@Bladavia]

LFR isn't just useful for casuals too, as a hardcore raider I also enjoyed tagging in LFR just to practice a fight or simply play the raid for fun without any pressure, just applying your rotation without thinking too much about strat.

[@ZesuRodriguez]

easy, some of the craziest ways in which a player "broke" the game by using mechanics in an unintended way. There is a couple that come to mind but most recently in the last expansion there was that paladin that went crazy with corruption, bubbled, rand into the arena, and one shot the poor soul that queued against him. He aslo used an axe from the second boss in the nyalotha raid, which formed a bubble, and exploded causing damage based on your armor. He used it on his tanking pally, and when the bubble went off it would nearly kill other players hostile to him.

[@brandonbouse8221]

I actually think a version of stat templates with more customization is a good idea. Such as in games like guild wars 2 where you choose which stats template you want to use and other customizable pieces. And Lost ark let’s you put a set amount of points into what stats you wanna max out. I think these are way more competitive ideas but at least making pvp gearing easier or having a low disparity of gear has worked fine in DF.

[@zwazas]

No flying in BFA? Np nobody is gonna play that content anyway.

[@geeg2379]

It's not worth the money it would cost them to flip the switch to turn it on

[@redhammer92]

@@aaahzpervect5755 I want the allied races but i seriously cant be arsed to do that content.

[@o0Donuts0o]

Weapon skill. I liked the rp aspect of it. Getting better with your weapon till you master it.

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

Yeah, in theory, in practice your just pressing the Right mouse button on something and alt tab to youtube or something

[@skulldaisygimp]

This is a good defense of it, problem is they've been slowly diluting or entirely excising any meaningful roleplay aspects of stuff over time. In practice, weapon skill felt like you had to level up to max level twice.

[@o0Donuts0o]

@@Fabriciod_Crv this covers 90% of the in-game activities in wow. The other 5% is talking to vendors and the remainder is pvp and raiding.

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@o0Donuts0o yeah, but none of them that affected gameplay the same way as weapon skill, which was still very unintresting to grind.

[@PiratDunkelbart]

@10 Mission tables ruined the ingame economy until today. Later they inserted high gold quests in Legions and now its 2k per daily calling(?Berufung) quests, but still not so profitable as before. I think they found an ok balance in Shadowlands to grind gold. @9 weapon skills: It wasnt that bad and it actually had a roleplay feeling. Compared to today you had to spend several weeks to get max level and also you only had to grind it once. Its not that I miss it, but I also wouldnt mind if this would still exist. @8 pathfinder: this wouldnt even be on this list, if they would just make it buyable when a new addon launches. I found it way worse in the earlier addons, where you had to buy very expensive flying for every alt char. 800 gold in Vanilla and 5000 Gold in BC were really a lot. Some of my chars only had it in the end of WOTL. @7 pvp: dunno, dont play it anymore @6 personal loot: Im a casual since pandaria, so I way prefer this system. I hated Cata, where better equipped friends rolled for other friends gear, so that you had basically a 1:15 chance to get an item instead of a 1:4 chance. Some also just rolled need and sold it. Pinacle of the worst considering loot. Glad personal loot was invented. @5 titan forged. only really affects high level myth players, who want to max out everything. And as you said, its 1% of the WoW players. So imo I actually miss this system. The only good part removing it is, that a high end player doesnt feel forced to grind days of raid instances, just for a tiny chance, even on LFR etc. @4 Warfront: the problem was, #a) that it was against NPCs and not another BG against players with advanced tactics and #b) they had to simplify it. Theoretically it was on a complexity level of Star Craft or Warcraft 3 etc, but how will you manage this will 40 random players? No way this will work. So they kept it simple, but that made it boring. @3 Island: Removing the time factor and implementing other goals would have been interesting. Wasted opportunity. Im casual, so I ddnt care about maxing out azerith, so in the end I never made many runs. @2 everything said already by you. The randomization made it unpleasent. Again, Im just a casual and I kind of got lucky with the heal pants for my hunter I liked, but ofc that wasnt a max dps item. For me, the 1000 ilvl and its stats were enough. @1.5 visions: actually I like kind of stuff like proving grounds and mage tower. Its the only challenging content for me, because I dont raid anymore and I dont visit high key instances. I found out about too late of it, still managed to get the title, but I would liked to have equiped other chars too. BUt I guess you meant something else. LFR: My problem with the current LFR is its rewards. Its just to low. You can get ilvl 197 with just campaign quests and anima grinding. LFR gives 187. It just doesnt make sense Blizzard... Corruption: too complex and too OP. Basically meant your gear does your damage output, not you handling the skills. @1 azerit gear: was too complex again, but at the same time couldnt care less as a casual. My goal was to get the absorb shield. :D was fun to tank the elite worldquest bosses as a mage.

[@naupliotis1366]

good video and nice job like evry time :DD

[@jevendywest3837]

People dislike pathfinder? I actually found it really fun. It felt like a reward for completing content. After they made it account wide, of course.

[@daemontheory]

It's primarily the reputation grind. Fortunately it's already confirmed Shadowlands pathfinder won't have this, but it was having to mindlessly grind out dailies for several weeks to get rep well after you completed the storyline of that patch is what made it suck.

[@potatoespotatos]

IMO BC and WotLK had the best iteration of flight, where you had to pay a somewhat expensive fee at max level to fly. BUT, there were actual perks to flying. Places you couldn't reach and quests/reps you couldn't access without flying (think the Netherstorm and Ulduar dungeons/raid, as well as the Netherwing and Skettis content), entire zones that could hardly work without flying (Storm Peaks and Icecrown). The usual complaint that flying makes certain parts of the game too easy and convenient makes sense, yes, but that argument is very much mitigated when flying is actually integrated into the game experience, rather than being there just for convenience's sake, as it's been after LK. Pathfinder is a bit of a lazy compromise, IMO. It is as if Blizz were saying "we're too lazy to design content tailored for flight, but since you folks still want to be able to fly and do stuff, here's some time-gating for ya. Enjoy your grinds!"

[@smthng]

The initial idea is great, but they should really tone down some of the rep-related requirements. I'm all for mechanisms that subtly coerce players into enjoying more content, but the Pathfinder thing got out of hand. Completing the storylines and doing a couple of rep quests is perfect if you ask me, but having to collect junk in Mechagon and kill mobs in Nazjatar was really cumbersome.

[@Swageth]

I remember back in Legion, I got my BiS legendary very early on (earlier than most people even HAD a legendary) and was so far ahead of my guild in DPS that it was just absurd. I would be top in the charts by 10-20% in mythic Emerald Nightmare. As awesome as it was to dominate everyone, I always laughed and felt so bad cause I literally just won the dice roll and got to destroy everyone. Very stupid

[@iralyz6664]

Man I'm so happy to hear someone agree with me on LFR. I literally hate raiding because I hate having to voice chat with people and I don't really give a shit about progression. But I've always wanted to actually experience end game content in a watered-down form at least just to see it and maybe get some raid pieces, without having to fight for a raiding spot and with the expectation that I have to show up at a certain time twice a week. I found, after playing the first LFR back in Cata, that I quite enjoyed LFR if only just to make that my "personal roof" on itemization and to do this type of content whenever I feel like it. I know pugs exist, but fuck that - I also never understood or agreed with the arguments against LFR

[@hirumaredx]

The arguments against LFR are kind of out-dated or gate keeping. Like it did have some big problems on release, but they fixed the problems by removing tier set bonuses from lfr and delaying the hell out of its released in comparison to regular content. And the other argument is just a Gate Keeping one, where they feel you shouldnt experience the raid unless its on its hardest difficulty.

[@SockBot]

Thank u for talking about this so evenly. Obvi there’s stuff 99% of people hate but most of even the worst things were sorta “meh” for most people and just seriously hated by some groups

[@OliveOilFan]

You know a old feature I wish they added back? My friends :(

[@Nephthys52]

Top 10 worst specs in wow history (I'm guessing it's a lot of vanilla/tbc specs)

[@imadeyoureadthis1]

Melee survival hunter currently in pve.

[@Bepples]

@@imadeyoureadthis1 Preach. Melee SV Hunter is the #1 answer. Replaced a fun, widely-popular, and effective spec. Consistently useless tier after tier. One of the very least played specs in the game for 5 years straight. Literally the only spec in the game predicated on taking away part of the base class instead of building on the base class. Explicitly aimed at people other than those currently playing Hunters. It's the biggest class design debacle ever. At least back in Classic they had "lack of experience" as an excuse for some of the shit they put out.

[@imadeyoureadthis1]

@@Bepples i stopped playing hunter because of that. I loved explosive shot.

[@Bepples]

@@DisastrousIntentionally "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot." Only to clueless non-Hunters who thought they were all the same because "hurr ranged weapon". We don't declare that Arms is literally Fury with Colossus Smash because both of those specs have some thematic overlap. So try to refrain from declaring similarly stupid nonsense about Hunters. Survival was significantly different from Marksmanship in both theme and gameplay. "Blizzard failed for years to give that spec a genuine identity that felt different from the other Hunter specs." See above. There was no failure. That's revisionist history to dishonestly try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival was not only fine, it was a successful spec that appealed to a lot of people and provided a nice alternative to the other Hunter specs. This is why it wasn't being frantically changed all the time like the current melee SV; it kept the same basic identity and gameplay for 4 expansions. That would simply not have been the case if Blizzard was desperately trying to find an identity like morons on the online discussions like to portray it. If you want to see a Hunter spec without a genuine identity, look to the current melee Survival which is a clumsy combination of several different identities because Blizzard has no clue what they're doing with the spec anymore and are largely just playing damage control due to the disasterous initial melee rework. "It was only ever popular when numbers put it above the other two specs, anytime that wasn't the case it was barely played. Played more than modern survival probably but still barely played. " It was actually routinely a popular spec even when it wasn't the best, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just clueless and unaware rather than outright lying. In Siege of Orgrimmar the spec was actually below BM yet still saw more play. But just look to Blackrock Foundry. That was a tier where SV was more significantly behind BM. In the last 2 weeks of that tier, Survival got 7.6k parses to BM's 42.2k. A lot less, for sure, but still more than nothing. Now look to the current tier, Castle Nathria. Survival has about 500 parses for the ENTIRE TIER so far. That's less than BM gets on average per DAY and they do more or less the same damage. Using play rates and representation as an argument against ranged Survival is so hilariously hypocritical and out of touch it's not funny. Actually, it kind of is funny that people can be this delusional. P.S. In Highmaul, just before Blackrock Foundry, Survival was literally the most played spec in the entire game by a massive margin. And that wasn't the first time. So you can kindly cut the bullshit about it being "barely played", thank you. The only tier where ranged SV was barely played, since it was recognisably ranged Survival with Explosive Shot, that is, was Hellfire Citadel in patch 6.2, and that was primarily because they mysteriously flat out removed a core mechanic that made the spec work, making it struggle to compete with tanks for damage. I wonder why they would do that just a month before announcing it would be replaced with a melee spec... hmmmmmm.... "Let's not pretend Survival was some amazing spec before the changes, it was always the spec that had no real identity outside of PvP." I'm not the one pretending here. You're the one making shit up as you go along to desperately try to make melee Survival look better. Ranged Survival had a great identity as the utilitarian that used exotic munitions and tools to gain an edge in the fight. This was distinct to both BM and MM and meaningfully and sensibly built off the base class. Survival right now nonsensically tries to build an identity by taking AWAY the most core part of the base class. It's the only spec in the entire game that tries to build off a weakness, and as such most people want nothing to do with it because it essentially defeats the entire purpose of being a Hunter. Blizzard also can't decide what to do with it so it has 3 different identities competing for prominence in the baseline toolkit; the stock-standard melee Skirmisher like a Warrior (Raptor Strike, Carve), the utilitarian toolkit that would better fit ranged Survival anyway (Wildfire Bomb, Serpent Sting), and the BM Hunter ripoffs (Kill Command, Coordinated Assault). Speaking of which... "At least modern Survival tries to be it's own spec, Blizzard just needs to put some genuine time into it." Oh, really? Because last I checked they literally rebuilt the spec from the ground up twice and what they arrived on was a spec that leans heavily on the identity of Beast Mastery to the point where it straight up copies BM abilities with some adjustments. They at least bothered to rename Bestial Wrath to Coordinated Assault when they copied it over, unlike Kill Command. Oh, and they straight up stole Spirit Bond and made it the mastery; you know, the iconic part of BM that was there from the literal beginning. I don't recall ranged Survival copying Aimed Shot, Chimera Shot, and Careful Aim over; it had its own toolkit yet the fact that they both used a ranged weapon was enough for you to declare "Old survival was literally Marksman but with Explosive Shot". So are you going to admit to being totally full of shit or what?

[@Bepples]

@@DisastrousIntentionally I'm not the one who thinks the Hunter specs were the same because they both used bows. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that was routinely one of the game's more popular specs, and even at times the most popular in the entire the game, was "barely played" unless it was overpowered. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that sees less parses in a month than another Hunter spec sees in a single day is an improvement. I'm not the one who thinks a spec that rips off half the toolkit from another spec is one that is forging its own identity. You're the one that's delusional, and I have no doubt in my mind that you do not and have not played a Hunter and you're in fact talking out your ass.

[@ninjamaster5045]

Love the videos keep it up

[@Deathmoths]

Thank God for LFR, I WOULD NEVER see a raid without it.

[@Sazandora123]

Me too. I just don't care about the game enough to bother with proper raiding guilds and the stuff they put you through. I'm an LFR scrub, call me part of the cancer that's killimg the game, idk. I'm just glad LFR exists for the more casual players.

[@joshholden9391]

The current gem system, rng chance for a socket to put +x stat yawn. Bring back my red blue green yellow purple orange and meta sockets with bonuses

[@guga5708156]

I'm getting the feeling that we can't have fun things because of either pvp or competitive players

[@wombatpandaa9774]

I would love to see the islands from Island Expeditions adding into the base game world, so we can explore them at our leisure

[@Sazandora123]

I absolutely hated corruptions back then. I hated how my characters could get corruption long before they'd even be at the right item level to be able to get the cloak without being stomped on by the quest mobs, I hated the ugly purple shit corruption levels added to my character and ruining all those carefully-made transmog sets. I hated having to grind up that stupid cloak on every alt in order to even be able to equip the corrupted items without N'Zoth splurging his purple jizz all over my character.

[@zzzJulleZZZ]

Top 10 unique and useful toys?

[@felipevelasquez1807]

Tbh titanforging was not bad It was just People never able to be sated and getting so obsessed with "bUt It CoUlD bE BeTtEr" to such an extent that they stopped enjoying the game

[@jeroenverschaeve3090]

...which is exactly why it was that bad, not sure what your point is

[@nikky8000]

Those type of WoW players are always miserable about the state of the game and I make a habit to never listen to any of their complaints.

[@capitaldcolon1795]

Im a World 200 raider. Currently at 7/10 mythic in Nathria. I didnt give a shit about titanforging in bfa. If i got a titanforge, nice. But i didnt try hard for it. And most of my guildies thought the same way. Nobodies going to spam +15 keys to get a 455 titanforging with a socket. You either got it, or you dont. So i dont know where these players are that youre talking about. Who would go crazy about a 445 item, just because it didnt titanforge into 455? I dont know players like this and i would say that i play on a high level.

[@Saimeren]

I hated pvp templates. If I wanted to build a mastery/versatility build on my Arcane mage, I was SoL, because Blizz felt I should be playing a Haste/Crit build instead. So I was stuck playing the game Blizz wants me to play it instead of the way that I want to play it.

[@prokokon7846]

Pain suppression Azerite Trait was actually BIS for Discipline in arena. It's still good now as a conduit.

[@afinchinthedark]

I actually liked warfronts, they just needed to make them less brain dead and added more.

[@clintmcbride7830]

They was upset because the idea had so much promise but they squandered it. It was so boring I gave up halfway through farming the Horde Plate set for my warrior which I really wanted. Island Expeditions were wastes too. A dozen or so Islands that actually encouraged exploration with hidden areas and secrets would have been amazing. But, no..... just mindlessly farm pulling and clearing trash mobs as fast as possible.

[@zyella277]

@@clintmcbride7830 Yeah warfronts as were first anounced soounded like would be av/winetrgrasp/ashran stye battles/zones with best of each and inspiration of wc3 (i wish they did more wiht you can control a special Unit in warfronts liek in darkshore the Mech suit, abomination or Banshee) And islands its stupid dint even alow exploration AFTER they where done.

[@viktor.does.stuff99]

About the disc priest thingy towards the end: Pain Sup’s conduit is most likely bis for PvP so nope, not useless.

[@Y0G0FU]

Well its pvp.. so no one cares ;P

[@hirumaredx]

I'll be honest, I forgot about pvp

[@viktor.does.stuff99]

@@hirumaredx It's okay, even though I don't understand how you forget the BEST part of an MMORPG :^) Kappa

[@lexkappa]

Very good video!

[@pierrealexander8183]

I definitely disagree about master loot. Even for casual guild runs, so many loot drops where issues with personal loot don't let you trade. Or it's a tiny ilvl upgrade for you, but a huge upgrade for someone else. It's fun to trade loot with friends? They definitely need to make a system which allows you to just trade freely between your guild or something.

[@itsbrad9099]

Anyone else pause the video or like freak out when he went "Uh" at 2:53? I'm so used to the perfection of his videos that it just threw me for a loop when it happened

[@sushionaram]

I loved Legion leggos because I was able to collect all of them for all specs as casual player without having guild or tryharding any kind of content (I had almost all for Holy/Ret Paladin because of essence exchange system and many priest/dh ones)

[@skulldaisygimp]

It was nice to be able to earn them from lots of sources so it wasn't gating the best stuff behind only the most elite content, yeah. Problem was the totally random aspect of it. Being able to target the specific abilities like we can in Shadowlands means you have to do certain content for certain powers, which isn't perfect, but targetable rewards are always better than super RNG hoops you have to jump through and just might wind up with moderately defensive legendary powers or niche PvP-themed capabilities when there's one out there that makes a huge difference in your DPS.

[@ZanathKariashi]

keep in mind though, Thunderforging and Warforging ONLY had 1 level (around 3-5 ilvl depending on the slot (this was standardized to +5 once WoD came out)). And it wasn't a huge jump in power (this was still pre-squish so 3-5 ilvl wasn't that big a deal by MoP standards). And that was the ONLY randomness on the item (random socket and random bonus stats didn't come till WoD). And it was rare enough that you didn't feel too entitled to get it, so actually getting one did feel good. (I only got 2 thunderforged and 1 warforged items the entirety of ToT and SoO, despite farming enough currency to max upgrade all my up-gradable gear) Titanforging could get MASSIVE swings in ilvl, upwards of 20-25 or higher at some periods. Which was further compounded BY the addition of random socket and random tertiary stats. Which could make your item complete and utter trash compared to what it could've been. And because Titanforging rolls so many times, you titan forged a lot more often but would typically only get something in the low to mid-range rolls, which made it feel less special and started to feel more entitled to. Especially since the power gap was so large.

[@derekbush6239]

I knew before even looking that Azerite/BfA in general had to be #1 and/or most of the list.

[@dennisvanes9270]

I really miss weapon skills. Since it has a very high RPG feel to it. It was too important and therefore imbalanced, but it felt way more as an investment to get into a new weapon. Imho a good system

[@raver377]

weaponskill "its a chore you only had to do once and then never again" *laughs in shaman*

[@gerardovilla5848]

Cries* in shaman

[@ianwestc]

I kindof liked weapon skill, but that definitely felt like a bug that should have been fixed rather than an intended feature.

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

Cries in hunter that likes guns over bows

[@raver377]

@@greenchilistudioz4537 that... doesnt realy relate to weaponskill...

[@Cryp100]

Stumbling upon this video just makes me happy that I quit wow when I did 😅 from MoP till Legion (NH) I only stayed on the game for the few people I still played with until the old gang also fully quit. I don't regret it. For me the last real form of WoW died after cataclysm. Thanks for the video, it made me realize that quiting and keeping my memories of the game as it was, was the right move 😊

[@davidb3155]

I'm fine with pathfinder when the content is current. However, a gold option for flying should still be opened once we roll into a new expansion.