Top 5 DUMBEST Automotive Manufacturing Trends!!

[@donaldfinley2829]

The only explanation i can think of is that they are trying to make cars disposable while charging more.

[@richardbambenek2601]

They want you to come to the dealership for ALL your service. They don't want you doing it yourself and screwing them out of money.

[@AndreS_-df2nw]

Service departments are the #1 source of income at a stealership.

[@AndreS_-df2nw]

@@charlesangell_bulmtl exactly. My cars only go in for recalls. I try to avoid them otherwise. I do almost all my other work myself.

[@x-man5056]

The term you are looking for is "planned obsolescence" and you are correct.

[@bigg4454]

@@richardbambenek2601 Even some dealers' service departments don't know what to do with this stuff, so that don't fly.

[@christopherconard2831]

I'll believe in "lifetime" fluids when manufacturers offer a transferable, non prorated, lifetime warranty for transmissions. Don't make the claim if you can't back it up.

[@mikeyp916]

in the meantime we'll continue to lose out on service work 😒

[@olivertaylor4779]

Your missing the point of the sealed unit, it's 'lifetime is xxx-thousand miles' then you simply scrap it and buy a nice new one.. :). Ford mastered this many years ago with differentials. -no drain or refill bungs, just replace when faulty/after xxx,k miles.

[@shadvan9494]

my most hated items are 1. torque to yield fasteners. for one time use bolts. 2. lubed for life transmissions and diffs. 3. car stereo "InfoTainment Systems" that integrate everything in to the radio. even the climate controls. looking at you Chrysler. so you can replace them with better aftermarket stuff. 4. no spare tires. 5. wiring harnesses that have plastic clips to hold the light bulbs in the socket. in the desert heat of las vegas and phenoix they get brittle and break off and the light bulb falls out. Looking at you Toyota.

[@oldmanjim2376]

On #5, I live in El Paso, went to change the bulbs in my wife's 2010 Escape, I noticed the same thing, plastic crap that the bulbs simply fell out of. I looked online to find a replacement, found an LED unit that was a plug and play replacement, looked like the OEM unit, and was the same price as the original, where I'd still have to put bulbs in and it would brake again anyway. Plus, frankly, her high mount light is bright as hell now.

[@brantardrey7360]

Torque to yield bolts !!!!! Hate them i reused old bolts from yesteryear in good ol days more than 3 times plus no failure

[@MrMGutierrez84]

Let's not forget Honda. I've had one with more recalls than I can think of. Plus crappy materials for upholstery. Motor screams like a battered child. Good grief pisses me off just thinking about it.

[@bryanmartinez6600]

Head studs should be mandatory.

[@Ratkill9000]

The no spare tire BS is because they wanted to get the extra 0.00003 mpg in weight savings. Or they give you a small inadequate air compressor....yeah that's real handy in a blow out.

[@scottiniowa1]

Amen to every one of these! Too many engineers designing cars who have never worked on one

[@joebob502]

Fun fact: Engineers and technicians are natural enemies. Down the the genetic level :)

[@dobiedude7479]

From a few years ago, and not on a car. I am an aircraft mechanic. The helicopter that I was working on was having a problem. We had to call the engineers in German. I explained what was wrong and he told me that it was not possible. “ It was not designed to fail in that mode”.

[@unbiasedcobra6672]

All mechanics should agree 100%

[@cbmech2563]

Most of them are the bastard son of a bastard son of a mechanic and they are trying to get even.

[@cbmech2563]

@@dobiedude7479 we had a Mercedes truck with excessive blowby and the German techrep told us "Das much is acceptable. I told him that in this country we design them a little better. Their fix was to put an oring in connection to the turbo so it wouldn't slobber on the side of the motor.

[@scurfie2343]

Here's my number 6: Infotainment systems that control EVERYTHING! I miss knobs and switchgear.

[@silverphinex]

Tom Paris agree's with you

[@oengusfearghas9608]

Add on top of that electronic modules that require proprietary programming anytime you have to replace them. Especially in an era where a raspberry pi could run everything on a car easily.

[@andreyche193]

I do not know why people let the manufacturers to go away with it: such systems actually force a driver to do "distracted driving" that is known for causing all kind an accidents! So if anything happens on the road while you are driving one of those stupid vehicles just hire a lawyer and go after the manufacturer!

[@x-man5056]

Can I please just have Tune, treble, bass, and balance knobs back? It's ridiculous.

[@c.e.kestner4051]

Rather than have a plethora of pushbuttons, I'd like to see a single 8-position rotary knob to totally control ALL of the various combinations of what gets blown out of the HVAC and where it gets blown to. I guess I'm all in favor of controlling blowing.

[@acars9999]

Agree on all of these items. Here is another - cars with NO SPARE TIRE at all. That should not be allowed.

[@oldmanjim2376]

True. I hate donut spares, but at least that gets me to the tire shop without having to call AAA. Well, unless I'm in the middle of nowhere because you aren't supposed to drive more than 50 miles. One more reason I'm buying a truck when I can.

[@c.e.kestner4051]

@@oldmanjim2376 Yeah, it's pretty bad if you have to call a flatbed because the dead tire died in too grisly a fashion, and ten cans of Fix-a-Flat just won't do the job. Detroit, bring back the O-ring spare.

[@rudyruiz9615]

@@oldmanjim2376 my 07 mini had the crappy run flat tires, I went and bought a full size spare that just fit in the back of the hatch back part.

[@onenikkione]

discount tire hooked me up with a donut tire and rim that would fit my car since it Didn't come with one

[@acars9999]

@@onenikkione that's a great tip! Thanks. I'm embarrassed that this never occured to me.

[@stvargas69]

Your problem is you think like a mechanic not an engineer Engineers make problems Mechanics fix problems

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

😂😂

[@adamsandifer5588]

Shawn Vargas spoken like a person who never had to work with designers.

[@kabloosh699]

To be fair. Engineers probably could make these problems a non-issue. It just would be cost prohibitive, inconvenient, or needs to have some planned obsolescence designed into it.

[@pacman3908]

And they wonder why car sales are down.cars are to exspensive to buy vs quality anymore

[@louisedwards6681]

Yes we fix ,,, Thank you

[@nismo2070]

Great video! I agree 100% with what you said. I've been a tech for 30 years and some of the shit engineers throw at us is just stupid.

[@davidhoy7186]

Yeah and also don't forget, that 50% of those engineers graduated in the lower half of their class. And how many of them are now vaping marijuana??

[@breakawaymotorsports]

Only two things have made cars better: fuel injection and distributorless ignition. All the other stuff is useless fluff. Bring back gears,levers and cables.They worked and were easy to diagnose and repair. The WORST thing to happen to cars is the touch screen controls on everything.

[@olivertaylor4779]

The geeks will call all the touch screen crap -progress. lmao, you can't beat a load of buttons imo.

[@makoshark40]

variable valve timing and wide band is also great improvements

[@greetswithfire1868]

The first time I changed the trans fluid in my car, I replaced the pan with a new one that has a drain plug. No drain plug, what a freaking mess. And the Germans have a bad habit of over engineering things to the point of absurdity.

[@yommmrr]

Auto Transmissions never have drain plugs.

[@x-man5056]

@@yommmrr Mine does now. Holds 2 more quarts, has cooling fins and strengthens the transmission housing. Cast aluminum. One of the first MODs I did to my then new pickup. Never regretted.

[@finerthingsinlife4494]

@@yommmrr the 4r100 comes with one stock.

[@jdigitalseven7]

They probably dont have drain plugs because people put alot of snake oil crap in transmission or change it wrong/put non OEM fluid in transmission. I think that's definitely the reason why torque converters stopped coming with drain plugs, people were draining them and messing them up. Dealer unfortunately is best place to get transmission fluid changed.

[@x-man5056]

@@jdigitalseven7 No. It is just cheaper to make the pan w/o a drain plug and one less place to leak. You have to pull the pan to change the filter anyway so..... Expect to pay at least double for the job at a dealer. Early automatics did come with drains in the pan and torque converters but advances in transmission fluid made the necessity of regular trans fluid changes much less frequent.

[@danielwilkinson1024]

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it...." It's called"engineered obsolescence".

[@louisedwards6681]

Thanks for that,,,,EBT🙂

[@stevententis456]

I have a Montana rust free 1988 F-250, 460 V8, 5 speed trans with A/C and Cruise control. Upgraded the heads, EFI intake and long tube headers. My transmission pan and differential cover have bungs that I welded on. Cheap parts and easy to repair, you can keep all of your electronics and go through the expense and headache of having them. What about gas mileage you ask?? I can burn a lot of fuel for the price of a two year old truck at around 30 to 40 thousand dollars. I grew up in the 60's and 70's working on and driving muscle cars. Those were good days.

[@roninkraut6873]

Steven Tentis Oh man, that’s a solid combo. I still regret getting rid of my 86 F250. I love those bug eye Fords too

[@deanedwards5030]

Just goes to show the statement "Not built like they used to be" is very true. And that's coming from a 23yr old with a car the same age...

[@mrredpill3121]

Manufactures want to Sell parts, and get rid of the third party repair and the at home repairs.

[@effexon]

they have iphone thinking for sure... everyone buying new car every 2 years... nothing in business world is secret in top level or something someone somewhere didnt try already. tractors may be testbed (business wise)... many angry farmers there

[@williamcreighton9863]

A lot of transmission pans haven’t had drain plugs for a long time. In the 60s we would buy B&M drain plug kits and drill holes in the pan to install a removable plugs.. Also quality synthetic oils and fluids have stretched drain intervals greatly. I have used Amsoil 5w30 in my 06 Dodge truck since it was new. Used 15000 mile drain intervals and it now has 320,000 miles with no issues. I do agree with a lot of what you say. I believe the real reason for most of this is making it almost impossible for DYI guys to work on there own stuff.

[@THEGIPPER34]

Electric parking brakes is a big one for me. I cant put it on if my battery is dead or take it off? If it's a manual and I'm on the side of a mountain I've got to be perfect in my footwork? I hate them more than the unserviceable transmissions

[@jackandblaze5956]

Wait until you spill a couple of drops of your favorite beverage onto the parking brake button. A friend did that & the electrical system went berserk; headlights flashing, alarm system activated, horn honking, wouldn't start or move w/ parking brake locked & stuck in gear. Tow truck had to drag it from the car port then drag it up onto the flatbed. Then towed to the dealer because it's a damn VW & no neighborhood mechanic can fix it. Spilling a few drops of ice tea next to the drink console ended up costing over $1000 & probably did unseen damage to the drive train also.

[@judgegixxer]

Agree with all five. Another couple of pet peeves I have with the new vehicles is all these 18 inch plus wheels with the low profile elastic band 1.5 inch tire sidewalls. WTF? Does everyone have brand new pristine roads and racetracks to drive on? Run over a dime and the wheels are tweeked. Especially the SUV's and pickups, whos going off roading with these? I guess skidpad numbers are the flavor of the day for soccer mom chit chat in the bleachers now. Don't get me started with all the 5G, Wifi, Iphone, bluelink, AI, HUD, 4K, GPS, IMAX, facebooklive, playstation, paddleshift, onstar, autocad, central galactic telecom stormchaser recording studio mission control command center, GIMMICKS and GIZMOS. I want a car with 4 normal size wheels, 2 doors, a manual transmission, Speedo, tach, oil pressure, volts, temp and fuel gauges. thats it. Oh one more: These "blindspot" monitoring mirrors full of sensors and extra electronics. What used to be a $50-$200 repair is now ten times that if one gets knocked off. If your mirrors are adjusted properly there are no blind spots. 99% of drivers have them adjusted so that their own doors and rear quarters are visible in them. None of your own vehicle should be visible to you in your sideview mirrors.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Good speech, I share some of the same feelings. Personally I set my mirrors though to just BARELY be able to see the back of my car so I know where it is for parking. If I am lane changing I always look at the mirrors first and then over my shoulder.

[@jamesyoung151]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel There was an old Motor Trend (I think Car and Driver too) article that talked about the proper setting of mirrors. Drivers Ed teach people the wrong way on how to set them. For the record, I didn't go to Driver's Ed. Here's a more recent article from Car and Driver regarding mirrors: www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjust-your-mirrors-to-avoid-blind-spots/

[@brandongouge]

Eloquently put. I like it.

[@oldarkie3880]

@@jamesyoung151 I tried this. Maybe it takes getting used to but I get disoriented if I can't see at least a tiny part of my own car in side mirrors.

[@johnecker4217]

@Mr. Morningstar I'm weird that way too! I've always used my mirrors when backing up it's so much easier 👀👍

[@njrtech]

Amen on the drain plugs and non serviceable transmissions. It's rediculous. My Subaru has this and it pissed me off. I'll be bringing it in for full check up before warranty expires and want it in writing that everything is fine

[@edwardskaggs8746]

No dipstick? My next car will be a restored 1970's...

[@dbvvc805]

I totally agree on the last one since me and my dad replaced the valve stem seals and the piston rings due to my BMW 320i burning oil. On that car, there is only is an electronic sensor oil level sensor, we replaced it once and it worked fine for some time. So we did the work on the head and pistons and changed chain etc. we fired it up it ran okay in high ranges but didn't idle right. The oil sensor said that there was enough oil, so we didn't think about that. We thought it was something wrong with the vanos, so we checked to solenoids. nothing. We were about to order a new vanos wheel. Before we did, I decided to add oil to the engine. the error codes were gone and the engine ran fine, then I also checked the oil level after that, it had somehow decreased. Everything would have been so much easier if there was a dibstick

[@dragonslair59]

Take most shops out of the equation plus all diy guys and your beholden to dealers dealer authorized niche shops so you spen 3x what it should

[@tankman-ku5zc]

loved the video. all are very valid and true points. no oil dip stick what is this. and the worst thing about new cars is oil. 1 qt per 1000 miles oil burn is acceptable.are you kidding me thats not acceptable, no it is not. excessive oil burn is acceptable in a 1000 dollar beater with high miles. not a brand new 30k plus car. and i hate auto start stop. the engine takes the most wear during the start cycle. starting a a lot of times per day. not good on the engine.

[@mobrien7211]

Audi/VW said this was normal back in 2000, 5k mile oil changes, 4 quarts of oil, you have to add oil in between oil changes? Yes.

[@SubieRow]

2012 Subaru states 600mi. Per quart..

[@TomTom-pg3db]

100% agree on all 5. Sometimes simpler is better. I wanna be able to check all my fluids. Plus I even prefer manual windows, locks, seats, mirrors,etc. Just less stuff to go wrong.

[@7s29]

I have a few cars, most modern is a '13 300 srt8. Most things I can do at home but, on occasion l have to visit a workshop. My other cars are old,' 86 Mazda 323, '88 Honda Legend and a' 71 RT Charger. These cars are a joy to work on, and are very reliable. One thing l never do, again, is buy a new car, they're just getting worse.

[@TomTom-pg3db]

7s29 Right on Man

[@scoutsniper8688]

I thought I was alone in my shop rants until I seen this video. I agree with you 100 percent

[@ironman1518.]

VERY TRUE! Tire pressure monitor systems are NOT needed... just another expensive part to replace.....AGREE on the dipstick and the transmission fluid forever, and the lack of transmission drain plug.

[@drkn9t]

Tpms was mandated because of the Ford Firestone tire recall. Which after much investigation, it was decided, that the explorers were rolling due to tire destruction caused by low tire pressure. The problem is, there are way to many turn key drivers that have no clue how to do anything any more.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

TPMS saved me one good time. I heard a thump and pressure going low, it was the middle of the night on a real bad road with nowhere to pull off. So having the pressure on the screen I timed it another few miles to actually get off where some lights were to change a spare. Oh and having an actual spare was kinda cool.

[@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway]

The only non-serviceable transmission that I have ever seen is the jeep patriot CVT because they usually don’t last any more than 40 to 60,000 miles LOL

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Haha or most other CVT's for that matter!

[@Synaux]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel yeah cvt is a joke and the cost of the fluid is a joke too

[@tedrichardson2948]

Justin Dow ,check out the newer Ford dry clutch transmissions that are failing at 4000 miles.

[@HakeemKaree]

My top 3 is about the same as yours, just had a situation where my mother in laws Audi said it was too high on oil on the dash, then next it said it was too low and then when I opened the hood after waiting for it to settle, no dipstick, I was so pissed off, after cursing for 30 mins the sensor said the level was fine. I'm guessing it's the sensor going bad

[@95dodgev10]

To touch on the concept of 1 quart of engine oil per thousand miles. My friend bought a 2016 jeep Cherokee brand new. Not sure what engine it has. She calls me early Saturday morning saying as she drove through an intersection it turned off out of nowhere. I was stumped so she gets it towed. Tech tells her it's bone dry on engine oil and it was at 5500 miles since last change she went over by 500. It turns out it's acceptable to burn 1 quart every 1000 miles and when the car runs low on oil it doesn't flash a low oil light or a chime or anything no. It turns itself right the hell off regardless of what you're doing. Sitting at a stoplight or driving down the highway boom shuts off bye bye power steering and power brakes. At 1 quart every 1000 miles the car cam barely make it to its change intervals before it runs completely dry. That's bs.

[@jamesdawson5509]

#3 Transmission/differential/etc. has "Lifetime" fluid so you will never need to change it. (And by "Lifetime" we mean until the old transmission fluid destroys the transmission. As long as it's after the warranty expires we don't care.)

[@russdavis1960]

These are are valid gripes. My take on these and many others is, car companies don't want anyone BUT the dealerships to be able to service them. I'm pretty sure back in the early 80's there was a rumor Chrysler was playing with the idea of completely sealing off the hood so ONLY the dealership had access to repairs.

[@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway]

It seems like you should almost do your transmission service every 10,000 miles if your manufacturer is notorious for blown transmissions before 50 K

[@Synaux]

@@ma96782 so basically half the manufacturers that exist?

[@dylanandersen9318]

Have you seen the Nissan CVT's? LOL

[@oengusfearghas9608]

@@dylanandersen9318 that's why I avoid CVTs like the plague. They have quite the earned reputation for unreliability.

[@Synaux]

@@dylanandersen9318 I have seen them, rented them, and if I develope a case of insanity I may one day own one.

[@s99614]

@@ma96782 Or bought out by Renault.

[@wiserguy7257]

There was a time when my tool kit with a socket set, a few wrenches and a few hammers were adequate for most repairs. Now everything is electronic modules, computers, solenoids and emission systems so wiring diagrams and a fancy and expensive code reader is required to diagnose and reset the computers even for simple jobs like replacing brake pads. Emissions controls, heat and turbos are problematic in my experience. As for beef number 5, there is a mechanical lockout to take the electronically controlled transmissions out of park when the battery is dead if you know where to look. You don't need to crawl under the vehicle.

[@7s29]

I found mine but, only after I've studied the owners manual.

[@richardbambenek2601]

I just had to replace the motor mount on my car which to my surprise is now hydraulic. The thing sprung a leak and the fluid all came out. What was wrong with the old rubber bushings? Of course it wasn't cheap to fix.

[@caseykuntz5249]

Typically when they go to a hydraulic motor mount it's because the engine shakes too much with the rubber mounts. They absorb more of the vibration. They are very popular with 4 cylinder engines because they shake so much at idle.

[@richardbambenek2601]

@@caseykuntz5249 Interesting. Would that also hold true for the engine in a 2013 6 cylinder traverse. My engine idles smooth as glass. In my way of thinking adding unnecessary complexity just introduces more failure points. Thank you for your insight.

[@caseykuntz5249]

@@richardbambenek2601 I completely agree with you. It does add extra cost and complexity to the vehicle for no clear reason.

[@brownwrench]

Mercedes?

[@richardbambenek2601]

@@brownwrench No Chevy Traverse

[@jeffreyfwagner]

I was once an automotive engineer for the "big Three" and I agree with your list of bad ideas. New cars are overly complex. Computers do some things really well and just muck up other things. Good video.

[@taylorsutherland9447]

Transmission fluid is good for the life of the unit! The unit will just not have much of a life.

[@joebob502]

20 year mechanic here. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Here's one: seats that vibrate your ass for lane departure or collision warning. I've jumped plenty of times while test driving a customer's car like WTF WAS THAT?!

[@TheMentch171]

That’s funny! I just bought a 2019 F150 Lariat. The owner of the dealership was driving this truck for a week prior to me buying it and racked a few hundred miles on it. As I was driving it home the steering wheel would randomly vibrate on me. I started to think there was a problem with the tires, steering, something already until I figured out it was a lane departure system that was so sensitive that even a light grip of the steering wheel would set it off. I went into the settings and disabled that before I was even home with it.

[@brownwrench]

#6 Complex technology to make up for poor driving habits and skills

[@canamxmr4760]

Every point was spot on. Think of it, lifetime transmission fluid 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@epicragegaming2016]

it said that on the bmw i was working on today. but i knew the fluid would last longer than the car. so it was ok.

[@louisedwards6681]

Yes life time fluid! JUST leave it be

[@ovalwingnut]

AGREE (and you were being kind). Big 👍😁 p.s. I subscribed solely on the fact that"your hat wasn't backwards". Color me impressed. Cheers.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Haha Thank you and not on the videos but I am guilty of wearing it that way from time to time 😛

[@jameshenry3530]

On these vehicles that lack a drain plug, if you can get the owner's permission, you could install one of those drain plug kits. On the Town and Country, you could drill the pan and drain the oil with ease. On the added complexity features, what about variable compression and variable displacement?

[@mikecastellon3022]

Buy a crown Vic lx or a town car and all these problems are sidestepped for around 350 thousand miles🚔

[@kylesonsalla7620]

Why not a Grand Marquis

[@mikecastellon3022]

Kyle Sonsalla grand marquis as u know is the same car. It would work perfect and so would town car .best cars ever made

[@kylesonsalla7620]

@@mikecastellon3022 That's the joke, just figured I'd add in the third Panther to list the trifecta

[@imadirtboy331]

Engineers do not work on their own cars. They don't care. Or "the computer says it will not fail!"

[@jackthereefer1]

I agree with you and I hate throttle by wire, electric parking brakes and displacement on demand engines. Thank you for the video sir.

[@tuckerlutz8765]

Electronic parking brakes and digital guage clusters 🖕

[@foodskewed9197]

Tucker Lutz gotta love when you open the door to look down and line up on the alignment rack and the car squeals tires cuz it locked the parking brake on you!

[@rnljrt.c.b8100]

All valid points i agree. I own a 2018 ram 1500 5.7, and it freaks me out that it has no transmission filler tube. I check my fluid levels all the time and this really bothers me....

[@MA71FTW]

I’m pretty sure you just use the dipstick hole to fill it if it ever needs to be replaced.

[@rnljrt.c.b8100]

Keith Carter it has no dipstick hole, you have to crawl under the truck and remove the plug to check it with your finger. It's a pain in the @$$. Other than this dilema this truck is pretty solid.

[@MA71FTW]

Lol wow that’s something then. Seems like manufacturers are really trying to put cost off on consumers.

[@byme3480]

Dogde knows the trans wont last. So why even worry about the fliud😂

[@rnljrt.c.b8100]

dodge*

[@jcottrill1691]

If us mechanics designed cars we would not have jobs because the cars would be so much easier to work on .

[@sostrucking]

And last longer

[@edgarmartinez7155]

The key is to build them shitty but simple

[@tysonsharkey6835]

I have a 2018 ram 1500 and it's got a rotary shifter. But it's got a manual override to put the truck in neutral if the battery is dead

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

I was in one recently and figured it must have one somewhere but I didnt bother looking it up at the time. Thanks for letting me know

[@discerningmind]

I completely agree. This is why we need to relearn the power of a boycott in this country. A boycott is fastest way to get BS like you describe fixed and end rip offs.

[@jjntwice]

Props To You Jesse @ GH videos; I used to turn wrenches for over 25 years; The People Need to See & Hear what You are doing on a daily basis, Mechanics Get a Bad rap. Been There, Done It. You Speak TRULY TRUTH. APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR IT. THANKS JESSE! Sincerely, Joe N.

[@jackofblades3171]

I keep hearing people say they are using regular starters for Start stop. I have never seen this can someone point me to a source? I honestly think E torque has simplified things. There is no longer a starter and alternator. They are one replacable unit that is above the engine so they are less likely to get damaged or dirty/worn. You also never have to worry about damaged flexplate teeth which has been a problem for years. Problem solved. You no longer need to take the engine out

[@gregw8232]

Jack of Blades What about the heat issues created by shutting the engine down? No circulation of coolant creating tighter tolerances. Got to be hard on all components.

[@mainwayne1352]

@ Greg w The new trend is electric water pumps.

[@gregw8232]

@@mainwayne1352 Was not aware of that in everyday automobiles. Heard about it in racing tho. Thxs.

[@kellycrawford1346]

Multi cam turbo charged gasoline engines in trucks. You can make nearly the same power with a pushrod V8 and get equivalent mileage. Complex engines mean added costs down the road.

[@7s29]

Give me a single cam push rod any day.

[@allanbrogdon7453]

Aircraft Mechanic for 32 years its sad because someone always eventually tries to save money and cost lives we call it tombstone technology.Every new aircraft we had to train in a classroom for a week.Even painters.737 max I was told "your qualified".What training.you do get is rushed on a computer no hands on and no human interaction.

[@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway]

I agree. All vehicles should be equipped with an oil dipstick. If you have lockers or pressure that’s usually one of the first things that the technician checks as oil level. Hard to do that if you have to drain it. Especially since you’re never going to drain all of the oil out of the engine to begin with and they’re still going to be about 10% left in the car. Which isn’t much but still kind of a pain in the butt to go through that process to help you go to the next step of your diagnostics

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

I agree! Especially since its such a SIMPLE easy thing to impliment, I see no valid excuse to get rid of it!

[@joekoy7495]

#1 modern stupidity: push button starter, an acquaintance with an Infinity just had to pay $1200 for the control module. What was wrong with the traditional ignition key?

[@mt1885]

I see people crying about a truck not having a 'button' to push to start. The button is one of the most over engineered/expensive fiasco being pushed.

[@7s29]

Agreed. I have several cars, one of which is push button. My other cars have a metal key, no battery to replace, and you can cut copies cheap.

[@timturk6003]

These are some of the reasons why i don’t drive a newer vehicle Also a few years ago a friend of mine worked for Mercedes and he had the chance to talk to one of their engineers and told my friend that the new cars at the time needed oil changes every 50,000 miles because 3,000 miles was way too early

[@tomdavis3038]

What I’m hearing is: buy a vehicle with a manual transmission

[@7s29]

Precisely.

[@pauldietrich6790]

Do they even make those any more....

[@tomdavis3038]

Paul Dietrich Gotta look for them lol

[@pauldietrich6790]

@@tomdavis3038 true. Tough to find used that's not thrashed...and usually pay more ( special order) for new....

[@cbmech2563]

Very few cars left that have a stick available

[@mikecarignan7002]

Good stuff from your experience.i heard no rambling just good insights.i have 4 vehicles ,maintain them all ,I don’t want anybody to even do my oil.i know what is proper tightening or whatever.mine is labor of love. My 85 olds,94chevy pu,85 f250 8600 gvw.all run good.my side toys 66 Ford pu,57 Chevy pu.shade tree since 75 army trained in ac repair.you guys vids are great,they also remind me I have best (reliable,easy,fun ,cheap to work on.)

[@joshuadavis6094]

How about non serviceable tie rod ends and ball joints and u joints...I think that's B.S too

[@michaelg6890]

Wow, i didn't even know that was a thing. Newest car i ever owned was a 2007. Sold it and got myself a 01 Cherokee. Love the simplicity.

[@taylorsutherland9447]

They last longer than the greasable ones. Known fact as a 20 year tech.

[@joshuadavis6094]

@@taylorsutherland9447 I'm guessing you don't live in an area with snow and road salt..I can understand in warmer and dryer parts of the country them lasting longer but once the boot gets a little crack or tear in them up here there's no defense for them

[@mt1885]

FACT - No OIL dipstick, No Trans dipstick, Sealed Trans, encrypted computer modules, basically requiring ONLY dealer to work on it with PATENTS on everything. That is the future.

[@nickwarner8158]

I am with you on all of this. Especially the transmission rant. Now I would point out a car I just got rid of. I had an 07 Camry XLE. It had just hit 180k. I got all the service records with it and it was untouched. I drove it to Vegas without an issue and gave it to my brother because he needed a car. The trans is still fine. So if its made right it can last. But Ford doesn't make a trans right. Especially look at their PTU's on the AWD systems. Also screw anyone who thinks you don't need an oil dipstick. But I guess germans are too good to get under the hood of their own cars these days. In fact it seems all new car owners for the most part are no matter what brand they drive. This is why after giving away my Camry I bought a 1990 Bronco with a straight 6 engine and a stick shift. Bought it in Idaho and drove it to WI for less than the down payment on a new truck would be.

[@OUSWKR]

Here are mine as a 30 year veteran of working in the field day in and day out. 1. GM running brake lights through the BCM therefore making brake lights inoperative when the key is in the off position. 2. GM products turning on the reverse lights when using the remote lock/Unlock feature. At night in a crowded parking lot it leads drivers to think a car is backing up. 3. Lack of anti-seize compound on various suspension bolts prone to rust that attach wearable/consumable parts to the vehicle. 4. Eliminating the spare tire for weight/space savings. An emergency donut tire to get you off a freeway is better than no tire at all. 5. Placing fuse and relay boxes in remote inaccessible locations and not providing a good list of what each fuse/relay is and all the items on that circuit.

[@johngibson3594]

If they make these systems this way it will keep those of us from working on it as you need specific equipment to repair them or even service them. I don’t agree either with these changes it just complicates some things that aren’t complicated. I guess your supposed to trust your computer and it’s sensors in these types of autos.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Yea but I dont trust them, they fail more than the mechanical stuff does! Im terrified of self driving cars! Yes they may learn to drive better than we do but the fact that all it takes is an electrical gremlin to kill you unnerves me.

[@johngibson3594]

Yes I agree computer can and does mess up. Look at windows still crashes been around since the 80s

[@MrMGutierrez84]

As consumers I dont understand why we are ok with paying for trash.

[@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway]

I’ve heard of the oil consumption theory as well. It’s like that on the 2.4 multi air engine from Chrysler.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

You mean the 1qut every 1,000 miles being acceptable? I have now heard this from Ford, Toyota, BMW and a couple more. Seems to be the standard answer for customers with oil consumption issues now sadly.

[@JustinDowDIYcentralhighway]

GearHeads Yuppers

[@Woolsocks]

The reason they say “lifetime transmission fluid” and “10,000 mile oil changes” is to keep the cost of ownership down during warranty not to keep everything working last 100k

[@GCraigmile]

I’m with you on all of these!! Why in the Sam Hell is there not a transmission dipstick on some cars/suv ?? 😳😳😳😳😳😳 Who needs one HELL of a slaps to the face to fix this BS

[@TommyZ9448]

Now ok I paused it 3 mins in. The reason they don’t have a trans. Drain plug is to make sure people replace the filter and clean the magnet and pan. The newer paper filters need replacing. Most older drain and fill had a mesh screen. It wasn’t a big deal.

[@Aircooledboxers]

Draining the pan first still makes the job a 100 times cleaner and easier

[@cbmech2563]

What about the transmissions without a pan ?

[@802Garage]

Gotta agree with you on most of this, hah. While I like the electronic shifters for style and interior space saving, I hadn't thought of some of the issues. Usually it's from someone being a dipstick, hah. Good one. :)

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Lots of those "Nice" features cost a lot more in more ways than one in the long run! Thanks Aaron!

[@A_Renaissance_Man]

With transmissions, I respectfully disagree. I really enjoyed working on standard transmissions and Limitorque valve operators. They were fun and easy to remove, overhaul, and install. Automatic automobile transmissions became easy when they when to electronic control in the mid 90's. The Master Kit was always easy and with the electronic control there was really nothing to do to the valve pack anymore. Now, today, let us say there are only automatic transmissions for this conversation. Lifetime fill. Lifetime fill means that transmissions are not touched until failure, If a failure occurs in the 150,000 - 200,000 miles of ownership then $4000 - $5000 should get you a factory replacement, read factory rebuild, put into your car. Transmissions are no longer a DIY project, why? because of the warranty. The last thing a DIY mechanic wants to do is remove the transmission again to make a warranty claim. In conclusion, for a DIY, or average Joe car owner, they should never have to deal with a transmission issue or replacement. Automatic Transmissions are hydraulic devices and the fluid does not wear out like motor oil does in a combustion engine. There is no reason to change the Automatic Transmission fluid in a modern car today.

[@magogomez7664]

To all my mechanic buddies here in this world.if I ever see that engineer.ill punch him in the face on behhalve of us.

[@bleachinuri]

30 years as an ASE master tech and i have zero complaints, these new cars make me over 120k a year because of their complexity, keep em' coming

[@louisedwards6681]

I hear you brother 👊💯💪,,,,,43ys and counting Edwards Brother's Transmission Roanoke Rapids NC

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

I agree it makes me money but I also got into the business because I have a passion for cars and mechanical things and still feel for the guys at home like I used to be that want to do things themselves.

[@sunbeam8866]

Maybe your boss doesn't tell you "they all gotta be done by 5!"

[@bleachinuri]

@@sunbeam8866 what's your point

[@legalman2891]

Dealers want to secure their victims by the neck. They don't want Mike's garage collecting their money.

[@paulsmith9341]

I installed a no weld transmission drain bolt but that ended up weeping. I ended up welding a 10mm nut on the pan and put a bolt and copper washer on it as a drain bolt. No more mess!

[@ValentinArzola]

....and this is why I am changing my Transmission oil pan on my 2010 F-150 to include a drain plug.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

I don't remember what year they took the dipstick away but that pissed me off with the newer F150's too. Like they have the finger sized one with a cap down in the exact same spot the dipsticks used to go into the transmission. They just took the tube away and made it more work to check and fill, wtf.

[@ValentinArzola]

Yeah! I looked at adding the dipstick but it is like $250 for the dipstick crazy amount. I'll just have to get under the truck to fill the transmission for now. What do you think? I've never changed the oil on this transmission Because of the Ford lifetime claim,. It has 197,000 miles. Good or bad idea at this point?

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

@@ValentinArzola Holy shit dude definitely change it!! My opinion is if something breaks after a fluid flush or change it was literally about to break anyway and its coincidence. I think that myth started because of shops trying to change fluid on transmissions that were ready almost fucked and then customers do the "it was fine before you..." thing.

[@ValentinArzola]

Lol! Well it broke I have no gears. How much oil does a oil and filter change take on an 6R80?

[@snap-off5383]

@@ValentinArzola broke before or after you changed the fluid?

[@sbmallik2]

One line in the video says it all - the longer service interval conceals the issues in the earlier stages thereby incurring greater costs to the consumer. Good one!

[@dirtracingfan8742]

One of the stupid things car manufacturers are doing now is going to soy based wire coatings which really attract rodents. I fix wiring harnesses more now than I ever have.

[@satamanschmidt3428]

Many of these stupid ideas are the direct result of American's ridiculous desire to drive the largest possible vehicle. Here in Phoenix everybody drives a huge truck for absolutely no reason and 95% of these trucks have never been off-road (but they all have 4 wheel drive) and normally only one person is in this behemoth. The reason for these cylinder shut down schemes is that all of these trucks have V8 engines. A lot of these stupid ideas wouldn't be needed to meet EPA standards if we drove normal cars.

[@aafmirq777]

“Th e only time I had to replace a dipstick is because someone was being a dip stick”.... words to live by lmaooooo

[@sunbeam8866]

And speaking of dipsticks, add to the list dipsticks with plastic handles or extensions that get cooked by the engine and then crumble when you try to check the fluids!

[@romansroad2007]

The price of new cars have gone dam crazy like 50 thousand dollars for a nice average car or suv.

[@greatray6262]

Why did they feel the need to place fuel pumps inside the gas tank?

[@waynepile5084]

Idea. Drill a hole and add a plug to the transmission pan? Is this possible, or would it be worth the time and effort?

[@sostrucking]

It would void warranty if it still under one.

[@waynepile5084]

@@sostrucking Good point. But, if it wasn't under warranty, or you didn't care if it was, how hard would it be? Also, if I change the transmission at 60,000 miles, I would do it then, after the warranty has long expired.

[@aaronwest2402]

7+ speed transmissions. More parts, more wearpoints, more shifts, more problems. Oh but u get an extra .063mpg. Yeah ok.

[@johnstokes2246]

Yes but that .063mpg might just be enough to avoid the government's gas guzzler tax. None of this makes any sense to me.

[@ShawnDickens]

Explain this thought. If we have more shift points the motor can maintain a narrower rpm range, so if trans is more complicated motor car be simpler without cam timing and other torque maintaining tech, so why have both be complicated? Complex trans pairs with simpler motors and vice versa, no?

[@aaronwest2402]

@@ShawnDickens i don't think that's the case. They serve different missions in the overall mission. The engine creates the torque, the transmission just transfers it in the most efficient way possible. You stand to gain hp and mpg when engineering goes into either or. But there's a overkill threshold. And to me 7 speeds does it. My pickup has a 6 speed. Stupidest thing ever. Shifts 3 times before 20mph then it's at 2500 rpm when going 80mph. Absolutely pointless. It's a trendy move. only the Germans ever get it right, then everyone tries to copy.

[@aaronwest2402]

@@ShawnDickens just think, BMW was doing VVT in 2007.

[@kylesonsalla7620]

@Mr. Morningstar Most pickups from like 2008 on have the ability to push button shift the auto to whatever gear you want. Most back to the 80's(when overdrive and electronically controller trans came into usage) have an OD off button.

[@freddyhollingsworth5945]

1 quart every 1,000 miles is common on lots of the newer cars. They say 10,000 mile oil changes are ok, we'll after 6,000 miles, most cars that burn oil will be bone dry on oil. I've seen 100s of 6-10 year old cars in the salvage with under 120,000 miles and a big grease pencil marking on the hood or windshield that says "no oil/bad engine".

[@paulhance1984]

My 2005 HOnda accord have 200,000 miles and I have been changing the oil every 10,000 miles. The only owner got it brand new with 15 miles on the odometer. Honda Oil change interval for my car is every 10k miles. No problem. Transmission fluid I change it every 50 to 60k miles. I just hit 200k last week. So about to do both oil and transmission fluid change. Last oil change was at 189k miles. Last Trans fluid change was at 175k miles.

[@oldmanjim2376]

I watch Scotty Kilmer's channel, and he says max 7 with full synthetic, 10k never in a million years. And when I look at cars, I pop the hood. No dipstick, no car.

[@dizzywow]

@@oldmanjim2376 Overkill. Synthetic goes a year/12,000 miles under normal conditions. Changed the oil on my E46 BMW when the computer told me to, which is even less often. Motor is still fine after 20 years.

[@oldmanjim2376]

I'll trust a mechanic that's been in business 50 years, especially with manufacturers going to planned obsolescence.

[@johnsmith-qz4bv]

you are very right ..i agree with you a 100%.....great video

[@foxfordcatguy2283]

I've been a mechanic since '89 and there are 2 schools of thought on no auto trans drainplug: 1) It's to make sure you pull and clean the pan and replace the filter. 2) It's so DIYers don't drain the wrong pan. I have seen this; customer drained the trans thinking it was the oil pan and then dumped 5 quarts of oil in the engine. Empty trans, overfull crankcase- not good. Yes, I completely agree about the auto start/stop and the electric shifter. When my parents bought their first car with power windows and locks my dad said "it's just more things to break"- I quote it all the time. Manufactures have been saying for decades a quart of oil per 1000 miles is normal. And yes the higher oil change intervals issue was first raised when synthetic oil became a thing. If you're under the hood less often you're less likely to catch a problem early: belts, hoses, etc.

[@HayabusaRydr]

Absolutely agree! Especially with #2 .... good lord man it's getting stupid.

[@timboyle3114]

stop start - as well as wearing out the starter - it has to be the most annoying thing to driving that I have encountered on our newish (2017) Jeep GC. At least Jeep gave an odd button on the dash! Rented a couple of new chevy's recently - could not find a way to turn it off! Also agree on the safety issue. That extra second or so to be able to pull away while the engine starts up - almost had someone hit me one time - now I always push the button to disable. Just wish there was a way to set that by default.

[@ServoDestroyer]

Planed obsolescence. I agree and feel your rage. Wireless this wireless that, nonservicable modules and assemblies is the new trend and it isn't going away.

[@JeepJeep234]

I agree with you. I also think non serviceable joints in suspension and steering are also bad. My experience with stock Wrangler steering has led me to believe most of the issues Wranglers have in the steering is more to do with the non serviceable joints. They wear out and then you have to replace the entire part. So I have been putting on rebuildable serviceable joints in all the suspension components. All the stock bushings and ball joints are all gone and I haven't had an issue with any of it since replacing those parts.

[@Rebel37th]

I agree with you about transmissions not having a drain plug. I have a 93 Sierra. No drain plug. I’d have to get a whole new pan with a drain plug. It would make it a lot easier!

[@Blitz6804]

Explanation for #2: By getting service intervals longer, they can replace your $120 oil change every 5k miles with major repairs instead. Most car manufacturers make very little (if any) profit on the sale of the car, they make it up on the service shop. Yeah, you cannot see and fix small/simple problems by doing regular service intervals, but that is exactly the point.

[@44hawk28]

Many automatic transmissions no longer use a mechanical valve body. So mechanical shifter would be just a mechanical element that goes to another electric switch. I still don't like some of the drivability issues involving that, if you had a problem in a vehicle that had a limp mode you could put the car in neutral while you're driving down the freeway shut it off turn it back on and put it back in gear and we go up and we're properly again. Sometimes errant flaws occur. The problem with the electronic shifters is if you put it in neutral and shut the car off the car won't go into gear at all until you come to a complete stop. At least with some models. Start-stop, is a solution to a non-existent problem. If you're talkin about EPA regulations specifically. By 1978, the tree in your front yard put out more hydrocarbons than your automobile did. I'm not quite sure what the purpose is making the much cleaner than the trees are. I do enjoy the added drivability and longer service life, not to mention the better performance. But stopped start, it's just asking for traffic jams because it doesn't take long before many of them just don't start. And you're usually in the middle of traffic at the time I would like to point out to you that the National Standard for oil usage in an automobile engine is 1 quart in 700 miles. I find that extreme, but that is the standard. Don't ask me to quote exactly where that comes from but it has been known to be that for a couple of decades now. A lot of new Motors use a bit more oil than I think they should, never seem to have that problem up until about the mid-1990s.

[@moushunter]

The oil burning issue with new cars is often the oil suggested for the engine. In order to get higher gas mileage some manufacturers are using extremely light synthetic oils which can be so thin they slip right on by piston rings. I believe Subaru had this issue and eventually upped the oil viscosity recommendation.

[@Snow.Drifter]

A comment on auto start/stop: Most vehicles that have this use an upgraded starter to handle the duty cycle. And some of the newer tech uses a dedicated start/charge system similar to that of a true hybrid. I don't think it's a fair comparison to suggest a "normal" starter would be worn out sooner as those vehicles don't use one. That being said, my peeve with auto start/stop comes more from the oiling system, where there's no accumulator or other means of insuring oil pressure to items like lifters and timing chain tensioners. The time to vehicle start is less than the time it takes to move your foot from brake to gas so I think that addresses the concern about needing to get out of the way. As to transmissions: I think we as car guys should know better than to trust a sealed trans. It's low level market manipulation by the manufacturer, to reduce advertised maintenance costs. The fluid will last fine for 100k. The trans will be fine for 100k. But that's the extent of the intended lifespan for the vehicle. It's marketed to the first owner. If you plan to keep the vehicle longer than that, you need to think with your head a bit. I could argue it's also an act to protect consumers from shops(Looking at you Jiffy Lube) inappropriately upselling maintenance items. I don't agree or subscribe to lifetime fluids, but I think it's important to understand the context

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Thank you for your well thought out response, I appreciate it! I will say though I think there is an interesting dichotomy between your two paragraphs because I completely agree with your second one, but not quite as much with the first. The hybrid vehicles like I mentioned are a different story, and while yes it usually doesn't take as long to start as a normal morning startup in the start/stop systems there still is a much more noticable lag than an engine that is already running. They may use stronger starters, but I still have had to replace many of them and in my hands they don't seem to be too different to the standard ones that have been around a long time. I think a similar philosophy that you referenced in your second paragraph is at play on both of those subjects.

[@Snow.Drifter]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannelThanks for the reply! Might I inquire into the general model year ranges and/or brands you've experienced starter failure on that can be attributed to start/stop features? I think the Chrylser 3.6 pentastar makes a rather interesting case study on start/stop tech as opposed to conventional, as while the engine itself is largely unchanged save for a couple minor tweaks and optimizations, the models that include start/stop tech have a substantially larger starter. If other vehicles use the same part, I reckon that could account for their failures. That being said, I'd be quite curious to have access to some data in regard to replacement intervals to better determine if the failure rate of ASS equipped vehicles are higher than their more traditional counterparts. We see early failures on all vehicles. The question I'd like to answer is if it's statistically significant. I should also add that I speak from a fairly narrow scope as far as my opinions on it go.They're the only vehicles I have first hand experience with in regards to start/stop tech. While I subjectively don't like it primarily on account of the feel/feedback, their system seems to work quite well and has no issues going from engine off/stopped to full throttle get-going in the time it takes me to direct my foot to switch pedals.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

@@Snow.Drifter The ones I have seen issues with most commonly are Ford, Mopar, and BMW. I know the systems are being improved and some manufacturers have sturdier designs but they also are MUCH more expensive! Sorry busy this morning don't have time for a long reply but I appreciate your feedback and the conversation you put much more thought into your comments than 99% of youtube! =P

[@robc8468]

My beef with start stop is it should be up the customer to use it or not every time I override it it resets to stop start default when I shut off the car. Why not just reduce the engine idle speed 100 RPM to save gas.

[@mainwayne1352]

@ rob C Start stop has to be the default setting. That’s the way the EPA test is, the EPA will not allow a button to be pushed to enable start stop. But they will allow it to be disabled every time you start the car.

[@Charles96777]

My dad had a 76 Ford truck with a 390. Shifter went out in it and I remember for years he would pop the hood and manually changes gears from park to drive or reverse. I would have to hold the brake while he did it.

[@freddyhollingsworth5945]

Also the pedestrian detection systems that can override your brake and throttle input. A guy walks in front of your car with a gun or baseball bat to carjack or rob you and you have your 3 kids in the car, floor it at the guy and the car won't go forward, but it will jerk forward a foot or two and bog down. Also like myself, I drive 1 mile to work and shut the car off. In the winter time when I work like 12 nights in a row, I'll have to put my car battery on a charger all day because it won't start. In the winter time, it takes 10-15 minutes of driving to replenish the battery of the juice it took to start it, so this auto start and stop system would mean I'd have to charge my battery every 3 or 4 shifts bc I have 3 or 4 stop signs. Great video.

[@moushunter]

I had to push the Jeep dealer to do a transmission filter and fluid change on my grand cherokee. I was having a clunking noise between 3rd and 2nd gear when it downshifted in stop and go traffic. So of course the dealership did an expensive diagnostic on the transmission and declared nothing was wrong and I didn't need the fluid change. I insisted they do it anyway. Then I get the call that the technician said I my transmission pan was corroded so badly that I'd need a new pan and if I refused to put on a new pan they wouldn't do the job. I told then do the pan but I want to see the old one. When I picked up the Jeep the service writer was curt with me. I asked to see the old part and she trembled. The service writer next to her said he'd go look for it but the shop was cleaned and it was likely in the dumpster. I asked how come a transmission pan can get so corroded in 4 years and 70,000 miles and why the mechanic would refuse to remove it and would leave in place to fail instead? The answer is a real pisser. The 2nd service writer said they corrode on the inside because the fluid absorbs moisture from the air. Then, being a logical person with a garage background in my youth, I asked how the mechanic saw the corrosion on the inside of the pan if he didn't remove it. It got very awkward at that point. As I suspected the transmission pan couldn't be located and the dealership lost not only a customer at the service department but a recurring Jeep buying customer, my daughter's Jeep business, and her husband's Ram business. Oh, and by the way, the change in filter and fluid fixed the transmission issue.

[@gmoose777]

100% agreement here, I change engine oil and filters every 5000km oil and filters are cheap as to the transmission we check the oil at 10000km and change and filter at 20000km same reason oil and filters are cheap, if you have no drain bung then at the next service put one in you have the pan off one hrs labour and a few dollars of material and problem solved I also like magnets on drain plugs,it used to be common not any more. its called planned failure they are not meant to last 6 months after the warranty expires

[@josegdiaz8201]

I work for a used car dealer and they buy alot of caravan , town & country , VW routan . The way remove the trans pan to not make a mess is I remove all the bolts off one side then loosen the rest slightly pry it and finish removing them and while removing them more and more fluid comes out instead of all at once

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Of course, I think all of us do it that way but if it had a drain it would be faster, cleaner and easier. My point is there should be one.

[@stephenbay9564]

If they can save $1 for not including the drain plug, multiply that by the number of vehicles they make - say 500,000 (or more, over the years) well they save $500,000

[@georgestreicher252]

A little off topic. I worked with a not so competent engineer many years ago. I asked him, " What railroad did you work for and how many trains did you wreck". Needless to say he wasn't too happy with me.