Top 5 Tips To Reduce Arm Pump

[@jacobthomason5204]

I use to get real bad arm pump, mate told me to get a broom stick, cut it to the length of youre handle bars,drill a hole in the middle, put a bit of rope through it and tie a brick to the end of the rope, practice rolling it up till the brick touches the wood then roll it down till it touches the ground. I did it for a week and a half for 30 minutes a night along with 50 push ups. It will work. Just have to keep at it and you'll feel the results.

[@rmatvmc]

Nice! That's a cheap and easy way to do that haha. Who needs a gym right? Thanks, Jacob!~Chase

[@jacobthomason5204]

+Rocky Mountain ATV MC haha, sure is a cheap way but works! Keep going at it Chase mate, I'm learning a lot from you're tips and tricks, you're doing a great job - cheers, Jacob

[@LukeMegBiking]

​@kali blast 4 - 1 I have worked out my entire life, I can do 1 arm pull-ups, free standing handstand press-ups, many power gymnastic exercises on the Olympic Rings etc and I'm also a climber yet I still get arm pump :-/

[@mr.diesel6042]

I bought my brother's ex-wife a broomstick for her next way of transportation🙊🙊🙊

[@sethphillips3133]

Jacob Thomason I do the same thing ahaha

[@DirtBikeChannel]

These are all great tips. Thanks guys!

[@rmatvmc]

Thanks *Dirt Bike Channel!* 👊 *-Vinny*

[@utahdesertrider1806]

Dirt Bike Channel I’ve been riding since early 80’s. I used to read mags for riding tips. These are all really good tips. You present yourself very well in videos. Nice job.

[@geraldshelmandine5141]

Unstoppable120s Bernardo AKA Cheetos lips

[@chrislangdell117]

@@rmatvmc Nice. How do you grip an ATV with your knees. Bought my first sport ATV in like 15 years. 35 mile ride and My old body was beat to hell.

[@thepatternforms859]

All you need is a recluse clutch problem solved

[@mad-maxx2211]

Two shots of vodka before a ride helps me every time.

[@BrandonOuzts]

Mad-Maxx thin that blood out haha I like it!

[@ceaser4106]

Lol

[@takingu2skoo]

Lol

[@SlimShadysvS]

I'd do the same but I'm underaged

[@arcadefighterredbeard]

alcohol before riding isnt standard?

[@envirochemwest4298]

If you’re in the 6’1 or taller category, a tall seat and taller bars helps you maintain correct body position, thus reducing arm pump.

[@blairf450]

Thumbs up for the giant elbow scab!

[@albertptran]

Body position helped me the most

[@powerhouse1981]

RM does marketing / advertising right. Free, quality knowledge - properly delivered and specifc tools to make life easier. That forearm stretch machine is amazing for health in general. Anyone with cold / messed up hands, creaky wrists and pain, that will make a massive difference instantly. You can also use tight straps like a belt.

[@jayeye4798]

I was thinking the same thing. Yes, RM is trying to sell stuff. That's their job. But these videos are actually informative too. And that's why I buy from them and keep coming back.

[@rickfeith6372]

Breathing is often overlooked. Its crazy how we hominids like to hold our breath doing difficult or strenuous things, like lifting heavy objects, or extreme concentration moments like playing a guitar at hyper speed etc. As the mighty Pink Floyd once said: Breathe...breathe in the air.

[@rmatvmc]

Well said, Rich!

[@austinatkins6988]

Ditto for drums

[@SofaKingWeTodd]

I never stretch before riding. I bet it'd make a world of difference. My main focus right now is on body posture and clutch work in 2nd gear through single track trails.

[@pkyamaha17]

Pro Taper pillow top grips did the trick for me, way less vibration.

[@rmatvmc]

Nice! Good advice right there!~Chase

[@K-Town.CooKoos]

Me too. I use pillow top grips and rarely have arm pump anymore

[@Cavem9n]

Sam here! Work miracles

[@SparkyGoldsmith]

I've heard all my life that thinner grips are better for everything from holding on more loosely to arm pump. A friend of mine tried pillow tops on a whim a few years ago and liked them. I was very confused by that and was CERTAIN I would hate them, but out of sheer curiosity, I tried them anyway. They are now my standard grip. Not the Lite version, the full diameter version. Those HELP ME with arm pump and hand numbness. My glove size is 11 so your experience may vary, but everyone is different so if you haven't tried these yet, give it a shot. Could be the best $12 you ever spent. My new KTM came with thin grips and I rode with them 2-3 times just as a reality check. Back to pillow tops for me. The new counterbalanced motor helped a LOT, but the grips add to that improvement, just like they did on my paint shaker 2015 250 XCw.

[@HobbitHomes263]

Tip 1 GET IN SHAPE core muscles are even more important than legs when you have to ride in the center

[@jesseray3642]

Killed it. Great info and good editing. You were briefly went over a few productions without the hard sale waste my time. Professional.

[@MaintDocs]

Leaned *over the bars stance* and *ice cream cone grip* are what helped me the most on my heavy dual sport / light adventure bike.

[@iCookSlip]

Ice cream cone grip?

[@bill3695]

Seriously I think u do a great job explaining things,(tips,etc.)keep up the good work,let the good times roll.

[@rmatvmc]

Thanks, Bill! Glad you enjoy them.~Chase

[@hammeral4446]

Just getting back into Enduro trail riding 17 KTM 300 XC W after years away... appreciate the intel !!

[@UnleadedApe]

Excellent video!! My arm pump is horrendous!

[@Dkflying1]

Secret tip, get a stunt clutch lever like an “RSC”. They have slots for the cable that makes the clutch pull much easier. You will be blown away at the difference.

[@bikersoncall]

I use that secret tip too, have for years, I broke my cable though, and detailed why in a post above. If the set up is understood correctly, great tool. I don't know if mine is the same brand but its typical 3 cable position, short lever clutch lever, I love it..

[@TerrickHarden]

I'm loving the more frequent uploads

[@rmatvmc]

Thanks *Clutch_Luck!*

[@mhrd12]

Very good tip. All the point I can correlate

[@mikemoralesofficial]

"don't be afraid to soften your suspension" you should make a t-shirt with that quote! ahahh

[@jesusfreak5535]

I agree! I always revalve my forks a tad softer than stock when I get a new bike. I usually can ride 10-15 minutes longer than with stock suspension

[@dirtbikingcanada]

Slide the clutch lever close as possible toward bar clamps. You get more leverage this way.

[@damianmlamb]

Yea i use the tail of the handle instead of close to the bend definitely a better easier grab I did it on accident adjusting controls and figured it out. But racing I only use clutch on multiple gear down shifts and start that's it.

[@AdrianButler86]

Yea u right but factor in that the end of lever is usually further away from the bars anyway especially stock levers. So it may negate the better leverage if u got a slightly longer pull/ stretch or reach with ue fingers. If u have an adjustable leverage ur good tho

[@MrPennys12345]

Those steg pegz work really well

[@harrison_jz5895]

I always get arm pump when I do my warm up laps but then once I'm all warmed up I don't get it

[@timc5301]

Harrison_jz do you ride a lot

[@mbvjg4217]

Harrison_jz ik me too idk how but it just goes away

[@Instabum]

Same with me lol. I warm up and do my two warm up laps then come back in and warm down a little and rest, let the blood flow go back to normal then I’m perfect for the rest of the day!

[@simonedacquisto4959]

@@Instabum Hi sorry for the question but I have the same problem…could you please explain what your warm up is about? Thanks a lot!

[@simonedacquisto4959]

Hi sorry for the question but I have the same problem…could you please explain what your warm up is about? Thanks a lot!

[@TheEastwood925]

Love these type of videos keep up the great work

[@LH-zv2zq]

I warm up my body, but didn't know about the arm pump, glad to know. Also, didn't even know about hydraulic clutches. Great stuff.

[@TheRealKalEll]

Main reason for armpump is that your fore arm diameter becomes greater or equal to your upper arm muscles locking the fluids in place. The arm is naturally designed like a funnel (golden ratio) and when u alter that design (motocross bike racing/grips/throttle etc) by increasing for arm mass the blood goes into vapor lock and doesn't know which way to flow, back or forwards, mixed with a huge influx of o2 that mass increases HUGE. REMEDY: do a lot OF upper body workout ie: upper arms, shoulders, chest even legwork. Also great cardiovascular work ie: jogging works great.

[@brad2579]

andrew gates thanks for the tip👌

[@jackstraughan4385]

Clark Kent ha.... funny you say this, I have huge forearms and small biceps genetically - as I got older and added more muscle I seem to have struggled from arm pump. It’s such a shame because I know I’m a fast rider but the arm pump severely holds me back!

[@alphawolfadventures1470]

100% wrong. I’ve been an avid weightlifter for 14 years and I can guarantee I can outlift any rider at a Dirtbike race but I arm pump because of it. Big biceps triceps that you literally are training to pump using 10 reps to get bigger is one problem other is upper arms pump and blood is restricted to hands. When I hurt my shoulder stopped lifting my arm pump went away on the bike . When I started lifting again it came back. Also another thing when you lift weights you’re also training your grip to grip hard usually more grip than one would use on a bike and this also causes grip to fail as well. There’s a reason pro racers look like skinny twigs and not Arnold. Dirtbiking is all endurance. Cardio/strong heart will increase blood flow to hands best thing you can do

[@07STINKYBOY]

The surgery is called compartment release. You can also get it from jackhammering, cutting pipe with tubing cutters, or similar repetitive motion...

[@itzterra9510]

This is coming from a beginner rider..Thick car racing gloves worked well for me. If I wore any dirt bike brand gloves like ANSR or fox I’d get arm pump within a few minutes. Their way too thin and don’t take any impact. Also just holding on lightly with a gap between the grips and your hands works good too 🤙🏻

[@ChrisGuthrie]

Green fingernail polish boys... just ask "Andy" Carson 😂😂

[@sunsetadventures822]

Chris Guthrie I love the movie motocrossed ! 😂😂

[@R6Jorge]

The man beneath the helmet. Lol

[@catmanflorida8545]

Thanks for the tips, very good info.

[@tomtolhurst7388]

I used a grip vice workout tool that you squeeze and I did that for a week and just relaxed my arms when riding and that did the trick

[@BlackKnight-ll8qh]

Beautiful bike and great tips!

[@australienski6687]

Why would I want to "reduce" arm pump? I gotta get my huge on bro!

[@marlin-cy1od]

i clicked on this vid expecting him to tell me to skip arm day

[@ricecrash5225]

Never even knew arm pump was a thing as a junior. Could ride all day and never get it. But then I got older and unfit. Arm pump for me is linked to fitness, get fit and you will have less arm pump.

[@GamerGavin04]

I was wondering why I never experienced this as a kid while riding. Past year or two though Ive noticed it.

[@taylorh3930]

Good to know I went away from the Yamaha junk raptors and jumped onto a CRF 450R. Well I can ride a 700Raptor like no one's business well I didn't no much about riding dirtbikes I just figured can't be that much different well my 450R ended up putting me in the hospital with a shattered leg almost had a stroke aswell due to the swelling. I've learned alot from this video thanks for the helpful tips.

[@rmatvmc]

That's crazy scary. Glad you're doing well *Tyler.* Thanks for watching our Top 5!

[@zakcourt7419]

Really really good tips, it will really help my ridding, thanks man👍👌

[@hampuspettersson5388]

i got a 40 dollar clutch lever setup with a bearing in the lever and 3 diffrant levels you can put the clutch cable in and its lighter than my old bikes hydralic clutch and feels really nice.

[@brojack9962]

sir would you please give tips when to use front and rear brake. im a biggener . thank you. more power

[@rmatvmc]

Try to use both evenly, this will help keep the bike balanced under breaking. - Chase

[@onerider808]

Good tips; thanks!

[@sushimamba4281]

When I was racing I'd usually get arm pump in practice before the race. But after that initial onset I was good to race and it was no problem for the rest of the day. The fitter I was and the more riding I did, the less I got it.

[@metalwheelz]

When things get 'frantic' remember to relax your arms. Make the OK sign with both hands. This will help you realize that it is rarely necessary to have a hard grip on the bars.

[@AlaTrick]

Thnx! Very important things!

[@rmatvmc]

you bet!

[@cabrassobreruedas]

There are really good tips, thank you so much

[@rmatvmc]

Thanks for watching!

[@richardnelson581]

Nice road rash or dirt rash? I put friction tape like they use on skate boards on my gas tank works great !! And I cut the cuffs off my shirt and wrist straps on my gloves helped a lot . Great tips .

[@roni2811]

Chase ... buy elbow guards - where them.. that’s my tip of the week. Great Job on the instructional videos... love them..🏁

[@sabrinaandres1108]

roni8 what elbow guards you have?

[@v4sdude191]

roni8 yeah which ones do you have?

[@roni2811]

I wear Fox Titan and Troy Lee...both protect my elbows very well...looking forward to more videos...keep up the excellent works

[@roni2811]

@@v4sdude191 ..Leatt , very comfortable in the summer or winter..

[@ebungosanachongtham262]

Will the stuff be able to deliver India?

[@jasonwest2064]

Great tips

[@user-up9ki5dx6c]

i had really bad whiskey throttle beacuse of arm pump but luckily i always have a finger on the clutch so thats what saved me

[@DarinGC]

Needed this so much. Thanks

[@333anupam]

Sir chase, is it necessary to squeeze the bike wid knees even while cornering standing?

[@rmatvmc]

Yes, you should always be squeezing the bike, even when cornering. How hard you squeeze really depends on the terrain, how rough and how fast you're going etc. The rider has the most control of the motorcycle when they are squeezing. If you're going through a corner, your inside leg, if out, should still be squeezing against the shroud and your outside knee should also be pressed up against the bike. Anytime your legs get away from the bike, it unsettles the balance and makes it hardy to control. Not saying I'm perfect at this and you see some top rides sometimes get their leg away from the bike but practice makes perfect! - Chase

[@333anupam]

@@rmatvmc Sir Chase thank u very much for ur reply. That means even during cornering in standing attack position it is necessary to squeeze the bike with knees, right?

[@thefluffy880]

You guys have a hydraulic clutch kit for a CRF250RX

[@drumtwo4seven]

Thank you ✌

[@Cycle9568]

I started using a rowing machine a couple times a week and changed my riding position. No more arm pump.

[@downforce6666]

Old clutches are killer !!! I used to just forget about using it by the end of the day unless I was stationary, these new hydraulic clutches are a godsend

[@yero7348]

Great advices ! Thanks a lot !

[@davidwelch40]

Love your videos buddy !!! Very Knowledgeable, Super Cool & Awesome PERSONALITY Dude . 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻 YOU ROCK CHASE!!

[@SethMcClaine]

The only way to fix the issue is to spend money at Rockey mountain ATV MC.... Great tips!

[@robertwoods2505]

Great job bro! I find that riding more often helps me to relax my grip too. Ride once a month and you'll lock up within a lap or two. Well, I do anyway....lol

[@NutEByN8urrr]

Yeah exactly.. .my throttle hand was locking up on me bad the other day.. but i havent rode in a couple weeks.. if i ride 3 times a week or More i would adjust and adapt.. plus weather may have a factor.. warmer weather looser muscles and joints.. a bit chilly right now..

[@elrontube09]

Question..If you properly align your levers per the video..then when standing you are forced to crank your your wrists and dirt biking involves a lot of standing. Shouldn't the angle of your levers be at least a compromise between the two?

[@rmatvmc]

That really comes to rider preference. You're right, though, you want a compromise between the two. Some might like them a little higher, and some lower. I just wouldn't go too extreme one way or the other.

[@buddywilson104]

I rode the Pomeroy Memorial MX track on Sunday for a total of about an hour......gripped so hard with my legs I ended up with blisters on the inside of my thighs........great tips!

[@ceaser4106]

It's interesting how the hydrate and breathe part also works with panic disorder. Just a random thought.

[@stephentbn2619]

Im 14 and i ride a cr 85 and im around 5.11 and because im too big for the bike i get lots of paints from riding because when i stand im bent over any tips

[@rmatvmc]

Get handlebar risers and a taller bar bend. www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/tusk-handlebar-risers-p

[@davidpuddy8023]

Doing interval cardio training for 30 minutes 2 to 3 times per week will help big time.

[@onerider808]

A gentle grip and good hand position help, but so does conditioning your body for performance, in the gym and on the trail. Lactic acid (which causes the pump feeling) occurs mostly in the un-trained and under-trained.

[@onerider808]

After all, this is an athletic endeavor...

[@iluvmx1977]

Gripping the bike with the knees and getting your weight forward is the best tip in this video.

[@adamdegit1264]

I've got vibration absorbers on my bikes hand bars witch is just a piece of carpet cause the clamps are 2 big for the bars

[@raycowan1387]

Get the Malcolm Smith triple position clutch lever and set it on slow but easy. Cuts the force in half.

[@ckvideo]

3:40, I have a 97 rm250 and when I feel the clutch,it's way too hard to pull

[@georgecarmel6114]

Tip 5 most important to know. Ride more on the balls of your feet. Stay in attack position for control and don't use the death grip. I hold on loosely and use full diamond grips and always keep a finger on clutch and brake to hold on better. I bought some PRO PEGS from rocky mountain so now I can just stand on it and ride with zero effort.

[@davidw1634]

I have me levers fairly low as I am stood up a lot of the time Mainly for braking I always stand up with my weight back

[@johnnysmith6516]

I use light dumbbells to do forearm exercises. Stretching helps too

[@TheGreatMinecraftBeast]

how about when your fingers lock up, i was going to pull my front brake then my middle finger locked up, then unlocked. How do you lessen the chance of that?

[@rmatvmc]

*DirtBikeMC80* I would take it easy on riding and go check with your doctor about that.

[@rickw.6401]

DirtBikeMC80 - try relaxing a bit, generally you have to think yourself into it. i have a load of bones ive broken, inc a lot of my fingers, and they lock up or go numb when i'm gripping too tight, and i have to stretch them out across the grips momentarily, and think my way into relaxing, breathe deep and adjust my body position.

[@masterbeta343]

My father and i are steg pegz dealers for where we live and i live it i hardly ever get armpump now and i feel so much more secure on my bike

[@rmatvmc]

That's awesome. They make a bigger difference than people would think.

[@bossbitchlaura4440]

Very helpful. Thanks.

[@trailwomanrc]

I've never got arm pump but I stand up most of the time focus a lot on weighting and deweighting the pegs and leaning with them in attack position. I have a light clutch and focus on a light throttle grip so I don't over throttle over bumps.

[@jmoto1963]

See I get it more in my hands, I can go out and practice for 5 laps at a spirited pace but then my hands start locking up and I have to pull of and unlock my hands which is pretty painful, especially when I’m hitting braking/acceleration bumps.

[@NutEByN8urrr]

Dude me too!! Exactly!! My arms can handle it.. its my damn hands lockong up.. mainly my right aka throttle hand

[@S1krr.18]

hydro clutch is one of the most satisfying feels

[@philmorris214]

He chase , do you run or recommend a magura clutch ? My 18 crf450r is tough , bike scares the shit outta me scared It’s gonna get outta hand on me on day and will struggle pulling the clutch lol

[@rmatvmc]

A magura will definitely help with your clutch pull. You're right though, the CRF450R clutch pull is terrible. - Chase

[@warren9962]

One question I have is about finger resting positions. I use two fingers for the clutch and one for the front brake. I often leave my two fingers on the clutch ready to pull it in at any time. Could riding with fingers on the levers too long contribute to arm pump? Also, if it's relevant the type of riding I do is cross country/harescramble, like GNCC. If it is, then should I consider making myself a little more used to not using the clutch as much?

[@rmatvmc]

Hi Warren, thank you for commenting and that is a great question. Using two fingers on the clutch can make it a little more difficult to grip the bars and yes, that could lead to more fatigue. This is why most riders, but not all, either use their index finger or middle finger. There is nothing wrong with leaving your finger(s) on the clutch, I think i just depends on the type of riding. If you're doing slower, more technical riding and you need to pull the clutch in often, then it's easier to leave it on there. For me, I leave my finger off the clutch as much as possible and try to only grab it when I need it. The less you have to use your clutch means more clutch life, and you're carrying more momentum which is never a bad thing! Hope this helps-Chase

[@warren9962]

@@rmatvmc Thanks, this was helpful.

[@rmatvmc]

@@warren9962 You bet. Go try it out and let me know how it goes.

[@Sleepy.Time.]

riding with in your comfort level makes a big difference, i could do 45 minute motos when riding with other intermediate riders but half a lap of trying to follow a fast pro and my arms would pump up bad

[@mikebrown41182]

Sleepy .Time would Love to see a video of you riding. Go pro when you following a pro anytime soon?

[@Sleepy.Time.]

Nope, i broke my back about fifteen years before a GoPro was invented. Only thing ive ridden since is a wheelchair.

[@maverick2242]

Sleepy .Time plus riding a capacity that your skill level can handle, easier to ride a smaller bike fast than a big bike slow

[@maverick2242]

blomgren182 he did a vid awhile back on the Husky he can ride dude.

[@Sleepy.Time.]

I did my best on 125s and 500s, 250s always seemed to be one step ahead of me. Spent a small fortune on new front fenders, grips and handlebars from all the times id lose the front end of a 250 trying to ride it half way fast.

[@jocrp6]

Tip #6,,, Learn how to rest and catch your breath off of big jumps, What few seconds in the air would allow me to sit down and relax before landing,

[@PrzemoSX]

And most important.. :) do not forget about this tips when you ride 😊

[@sunsetadventures822]

Being a 14 and riding a 250 the second i race i get arm pump thanks for the tips!

[@rmatvmc]

You bet! Squeeze with those knees!

[@sunsetadventures822]

Rocky Mountain ATV MC thank you, and yes, yes i will!

[@torco1963]

A old racing buddy told me a half a beer and 6 alieves before every race it freaking works just dont crash and cut yourself or you'll bleed out

[@thefishguy8229]

My fingers on my throttle hand sometimes get stiff after a while and is sore when i straighten them or sometimes my theottle hand gets numb, what is that about

[@MADDMERK]

Its all about balance, i barely grip the bike, literally haven’t had arm pump in years. the more seat time you have, the more your learn to grip the bike with your legs, center of gravity back when braking, and forwards when on the gas. if you sit in the same position on the bike the entire time you ride... dead give away you arent doing it correctly. if your hands cramp up, SLOW down! Your riding beyond your means. The hardest thing for a new rider to understand is you dont just get on a bike twist the throttle, and hand on for dear life. ride a pace that doesnt make you tired, get bored with that pace, then step it up. after a year or so depending on how often you ride, you will comfortably be riding the pace you were once breaking your neck to ride. Skill takes time, not a fancy new bike with every bell and whistle, ride, ride, ride, then get more gas and ride! if its not raining, ride! Then youll develop the skills you seek.

[@billclinton4344]

Mississippi Single Tracks Jhamilton 100% right 👍

[@markdeeframpton]

I know it’s poor form but I sit A LOT and only stand when I’m in the chop. Seat bounce about everything. If I get my arms exhausted I’m closer a whiskey throttle.

[@hampuspettersson5388]

anyone got a tip for throttle arm pump? i get 0 pump in my clutch arm but my my throttle arm gets super pumped,

[@rolandstaines3249]

Hi ripper tips right on .

[@PinkuStyle]

Man jiu Jitsu and sports I guess helped me after the first week of being overly affraid. I've been cool now buy squeezing with my legs.

[@ogasi1798]

good series

[@NutEByN8urrr]

Man my right hand aka throttle hand was killing me yesterday.. like sooo hard to open my hand and was extremely painful in my fingers to open my hand.. i had to use my other hand to physically open my throttle hand.. once i worked it out for a minute it was cool. And it doesn't hurt now.. but at the time it was so painful to try to open my hand.. it became stuck in a handlebar position.. was cool for the first 45 minutes of riding but after that it painful when i stopped and tried to open my hand.. when riding it was adrenaline and fun so it was nothing but when id pause momentarily it was like owwwww

[@jdlawnmaintenance7465]

looks like its about time for a new front sprocket.

[@nateculler4062]

I started riding a 250 and now my 85 gives me terrible arm pump and I still fit on it

[@LMBC6Brian]

Knees squeezing in is KEY.

[@billclinton4344]

LMBC6Brian I personally think thats the most important thing 👍

[@Full_Deflection]

Pedialyte the night before, water the day of. Same think I do for sport bike track days.

[@fmxkyle]

Best Moto page on KZbin

[@rmatvmc]

Thanks, fmxkyle! Appreciate the support.~Chase

[@cliff1551]

Tiger balm ointment mate try it 👍

[@bikersoncall]

3:22 I use an 'easy pull' short lever clutch, it has 3 position, in toward the rider is the easiest pull. What I didn't realize until they cable had finally snapped, was that the guide Ferrell was adjustable for the angle that it leaves the cable tube and enters the lever assembly. Routing of cable as it leaves the lever assembly is also critical in my set up, neat and tidy, is definitely not first priority, it needed to head south a bit, right off, and then I could think about neatness . With the oem cable replaced with new oem, and after thinking the entire set up through, I have an easy and very accurate 'pull' dialed in that I was lamao first time time I took the bike back out. One other key for me was getting the cable tension ballpark, at the clutch area first, then fine tunning at the hand lever.