Top Cars And Concepts From IAA, Kyle Drives VW ID 7 And Updated VW ID 4

[@chyldstudios]

Tom is 100% correct. The Chinese EVs are evolving much quicker than the legacy automotive in the USA and Europe. Elon Musk has said as much, saying Tesla's real competition is from the Chinese.

[@earthsojourn]

I'd like to suggest a topic for the next podcast: Mozilla's study on privacy for connected vehicles. Remote connection via cellular networks is required for many helpful EV features (e.g., route planning, integration with mobile apps, Plug&Charge, etc.), but consumers have no control over all the collected data. It would be interesting to know what our podcast hosts think of what automakers should be doing about privacy, and if privacy policies should be considered when purchasing an EV.

[@football0552]

It would be nice to have a discussion around data collection, privacy, and cyber security concerns around Chinese car brands. Security concerns with an app or phone hardware is one thing. A vehicle is another. At least for me, concerns around Chinese EV brands isn't around quality, but security. A discussion about how China is supporting the EV industry in China vs how the EU and U.S. are could make an interesting podcast as well.

[@ryanfagan4563]

Nice job guys. I drove my lightning down in Tom's neck of the woods last week, test driving the new Fisker. I was almost expecting to see Tom there.😁

[@evkx]

Great show. Lots of interesting content!

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@apv9]

Will existing ID.4s accept the new Software update?

[@DriveElectricWithDomenick]

Thanks!

[@DriveElectricWithDomenick]

Hey, it worked! 🤣

[@oparayev348]

I used to play with EA stations just for Rate Your Charge. That last trip to Ennis TX told me every thing I needed to know. I have a Tesla MY.

[@greenne]

The show was VW centric. I test drove an ID4 3x now and I just can't get into VW. I'm no speed demon, but the id4 just seems so slow. The interior seems cheap to me, controls confusing. Coupled with the VW reliability issues, I'm not sure why you'd choose this over a kia/hyundai or Mach E.

[@greenne]

That charging curve for the lyriq is extremely disappointing. Where GM says they are on EVs and where they say are two very different things. They seem very far behind cutting edge, not adapting quick enough.

[@golfish8589]

Model 3 needs to have better ride quality to be a best buy

[@chrls705]

I agree concepts cars are concepts and we should wait until their real but you guys seem to fawn over vehicles that don't have dealerships, can't be purchased here, have no maintenance infrastructure or battery changing infrastructure - - - What up?

[@justanotherguy7798]

I’m with you Kyle I would never buy an EV with any kind of gear changing apparatus, dual motor EV has plenty of beans no need to add extra unneeded things that need more maintenance, more weight, ruins the smoothness we all love about an EV.

[@mikec421]

Kyle is sleeping on the couch tonight.

[@pnketia]

Kyle is an " Alpha Male" he'll be fine trust me! The guy has tons of cars and travels the world! Just what modern women are looking for today!

[@ArtiePenguin1]

I'm pretty sure he's in a hotel in Switzerland 🇨🇭 Edit: I know what you're talking about, Kyle didn't seem that upset at Alyssa. They were just doing a 'data download' after she came back from filming that car. It turned out to just be a concept car that won't enter production so Kyle just wanted to move on.

[@mikec421]

@@ArtiePenguin1 I understand but the way he was talking to his girl friend wasn’t slightly disrespectful. I’m sure they have the equivalent of a couch in Europe

[@PGD39able]

I have a 2023 ID4 ProS... love it. The software is fine and works ok for my use but I wonder if VW will update the older ID4's to a little better version with what we have. One would be having the icons across the top which would be a vast improvement for users. I understand the hardware would be the same but certainly they could redesign some of the interface. Do you think that might happen or will we be forgotten.

[@pnketia]

In regards to Chinese vehicles dominating in EU and UK I believe at some point and to protect the German auto industry, Those governing bodies will stick a much larger import tax and create some other new foreign tax on Chinese made vehicles to make them less price competitive with their german cars. There is already rumored talk of limiting imports from China. It does work just look at the reason why Chinese EV's are not flocking to the US markets.

[@Francis-yc9nc]

china has funded the EV market with +100B$ it is like you get huge amount of money and a funding structure that the customer pay less when they buy chinese made car.

[@evflyguy]

Tom's right. I'm in about two dozen EV groups and the amount of "This is my first EV" posts are on the rise. I try to share State of Charge vids when applicable.

[@tedspradley]

37:26 Our local EA station got all new chargers a couple of months ago. We charge the ID4 there regularly & it’s great. Always starts 170kW+. Before always terrible. 5 of 6 at 35 kW.

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

Always good to hear a positive charging story.

[@MrDgt66]

1:02:12 That will be the "Mini-G" on the MMA platform, coming in 2026.

[@golfish8589]

Tom Please add size of battery to your charging time chart. This should be relevant to all evs when charging at 120v or 240v. Or am I wrong

[@cjonesplay1]

I put 15 bags of mulch in my MYP. Stop it Tom. 😆 Another Great Show. Thanks guys.

[@azorglub]

I upgraded my house main from 100A to 200A. Due to underground service, it took close to 9 months and quite a bit of money to get done. It will take forever to upgrade most older houses.

[@essentricaudio]

We just finished a service and panel upgrade, 40A to 200A, overhead service and Level II charger. 3 months, $6800. Almost all the delay was city permits and waiting for the power company to approve it and hook it up. A large part of the cost was the new breaker box install and AF/GFCI breakers. House was built in 1949.

[@azorglub]

@@essentricaudio underground is at least 3x that

[@williamlathan6932]

Good conversation. You guys forgot about the quotas on Japanese cars in the early 80s. The big 3 dragged their feet and lost market share by giving up on small cars to the Japanese autos. 😢

[@DriveElectricWithDomenick]

Good point! I'm old enough to remember this, but had forgotten. We do, though, have a similar situation now, with tariffs taking the place of a negotiated quota. And, combined with our new manufacturing and buyer incentives for domestic-made vehicles, should start seeing companies set up factories here, just like the Japanese did in the eighties. I'm going to go watch Gung Ho now. 😀

[@ValueAnalyst1]

HUNDREDS of EV programs in the world, and only four are profitable: Tesla S3XY ❤️

[@chrissheehan9419]

Great show as always. FYI, as an MSE, have to comment that it is pronounced siliCON not siliCONE. I actually slowed down our grizzl-e duo from 9.6 to 5.7 kW just to reduce wear and tear on my off-grid system. Just dont need super fast charging at home for 99% of cases.

[@michaelmolock]

Apologies for missing the live show. But I just want to add my 2 cents for the GTI and small hot cars in general in America. As many may have said, I don’t believe it’s lack of interest in the consumer but of manufacturers. SUVs, as practical as they are, have a greater profit margin for OEMs. With more and more people living in urban environments, the greater the need for a usable , affordable small cars. Design them from the ground up. The people room is there. Make them GTI hot, and you’ll have a winner!

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

It would have been great to respond to this comment live, since it's an interesting one. There may be some truth to what you're saying and the GTI would be a great test case.

[@kevinn1158]

In addition to the HP boost it's the huge jump in torque that's the story for the AWD. Now I'm wondering about NACS adoption. And what's the time line for Electrify America flip some of their chargers to NACS.

[@Per3110]

56:00I absolutely agree with no stock is annoying and not good. But have you considered that the steering wheel can move much further forward to sit flush with the dashboard, maybe even fold a little too. This would be perfect in FSD mode? I think that could be a reasoning for removing the stock on the steering column.

[@justanotherguy7798]

I drive electric for the simplicity and lesser amount of moving parts, to add a two speed differential just isn’t necessary unless your strictly a road racer, for every day driving todays dual motor EVs are plenty fast. I would never buy an EV with an added shifting transmission, please keep the simplicity in building and maintaining EVs.

[@frankcoffey]

The new Model 3 should have had a power frunk instead of a second motor on the trunk. It also should have had a bumper camera so you can see as you approach a curb. Tesla says to use both hands to close the frunk lid but if you just got something out of the frunk you don't have both hands available, it need a power frunk. I like stalks also. We have a 22 model 3 and 23 model y both with the same user interface and that's really nice since my wife and I each drive both cars.

[@ronb4633]

So long spent on the NACS rant. Why not speak on putting a towel over the plug with water on it to keep it from derating. Does that seem like a well engineered standard to someone out there? How about the diesel generators backing up the Kettleman city supercharger site, Google Tesla is a dirty little secret. I do appreciate the volume of Tesla superchargers out there, but to make it sound like a panacea seems a little naïve.

[@golfish8589]

Isn't this talk about needing to go to NACS and touting the Tesla charging stations as a reason to buy a Tesla , mute by the fact that an adapter will allow any CCS vehicle to charge at a Tesla super charger?

[@davidc4574]

When is Martyn coming back. I know there’s a new infant and all, but he can’t spare an hour? Show needs him back.

[@ChicagoBob123]

If the vw hatch is inexpensive enough it will be received well.

[@maesygwartha]

Was it just me or was Kyle out of order in the way that he interacted with Alisa during today’s episode. I have been listening to ‘the guys’ for a long time, I felt definitely uneasy listening today.

[@garyclark6747]

Kyle handled Jordan that way once because he charged in the morning versus before turning in for the night on a road trip. It was a 2022 with no preconditioning so I felt the critical critique was unmerited as the charge speed would be roughly the same. Not sure if Kyle is insecure and that’s why he is belittling of others but it certainly isn’t very becoming. If that was my wife, she definitely wouldn’t have responded so neutrally. 🤪🥊

[@tonys9413]

That’s why I don’t watch the live show anymore. I skip over the parts where Kyle talk ………… I can elaborate, but I chose not!

[@ArtiePenguin1]

Looking back on it, the interaction wasn't really that bad. Kyle and Alyssa were basically just doing a 'data download' after Alyssa came back from filming the interview. He wasn't upset at all. Once he realized it was just a concept car that won't enter production he wanted to move on. He was even laughing, so he wasn't upset at Alyssa.

[@garyclark6747]

@@ArtiePenguin1 Kyle ~ “maybe we didn’t get all the best information”…“ok but since you think it’s an iD3, it’s not the best interview” #mockingly #condescendingly #arrogantly 49:00

[@ArtiePenguin1]

@@garyclark6747 I know, I watched that part but I didn't take it as negatively as you did. He was laughing when he said that and right after too. If you watch Kyle on OOS Motoring you'd get a better feel for his personality. He wasn't angry or mad at all, just a touch frustrated at first until he found out it was a concept car not likely to make it to production.

[@garyclark6747]

Is the Tesla Supercharger Version 4 cable as large and stiff as CCS because it’s in Europe or will it be that way in the US❓

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

I think it's likely the same, because it should be designed for higher planned power levels. - DY

[@ArtiePenguin1]

​@@BatteriesIncludedPodcastAny thoughts about Tesla upgrading V3 Superchargers to output 1000 volts? I'm in an EV6 and anxiously awaiting Tesla announcing such an upgrade. The CCS infrastructure can't expand fast enough (NEVI funding hasn't even been disbursed).

[@frankcoffey]

The Ford Mach-E comes in some really fun colors, I wish Tesla had more choices.

[@oparayev348]

The VW GTI sounds very interesting. Hope they bring it!

[@steveroper8733]

I enjoy when Tom and Kyle are able to have a conversation….with one another.

[@filijavilija]

Did Ford fix the 5 seconds of power problem??

[@tedspradley]

1:38:04 good job guys

[@iansevs549]

I don't know if the large vehicles will be effected, that much by the imports from China, but as far as small vehicles and batteries for other vehicles it might be game over!

[@nevco8774]

In North America even Jeeps are preferred in 5 doors configuration. No hatch including hot ones fared well in 3 doors configuration. I hope if VW brings EV GTI to North America it will be in 5 doors versions.

[@Knnnkncht]

It is Just a 5 door, the rear door handles are next to the C pillar

[@subbiahpalani]

So no one is gonna talk about VW, Mercedes and other auto makers charging extra for App support and optioned features like matrix headlight after paying for the option in the vehicle? BMW did this for headed seats but there are bigger priced issues that are on going

[@BatteriesIncludedPodcast]

And of course BMW have now dropped that idea, quite rightly so!

[@devilfriend]

I don't think average salary in Shenzhen, Guangdong or even Hong Kong and Beijing is close to the US average. I think it's between $25-30k and maybe a little more for factory workers, which is similar to what happens in Mexico or Brazil. But yeah, Chinese OEMs dominating car sales would mean bad news for factories in richer countries. I think the EU and the US will ban them altogether because they just can't compete on price.

[@CMCNestT]

China doesn't have an inexhaustible supply of cheap labor. And each generation is getting smaller. Labor rates in Mexico are now cheaper than China. And American OEMs can build affordable cars in Mexico and import them to the US and Canada far cheaper than exporting from China to USA. Additionally, Chinese OEMs will have to pay US distribution cost in the US. American truckers and salespeople will not work for Chinese wages.

[@devilfriend]

@@CMCNestTIt goes ways though. Chinese OEMs are already building factories in Mexico and Brazil. The US market is "safe" but US and EU OEMs should be worried about their piece of the pie in the "Rest of the World" region.