Top Features of The Multi-Function Router Base | PART 1 | Woodpeckers Deep Dive

[@MrCubflyer]

I love how you guys always come up with solutions to make things easier and you never skimp on quality. I believe you get what you pay for that's why I love my Woodpeckers tools.

[@stephensantoro8580]

Not only are the tools awesome but the instructor is great. Seems like I know him for years

[@MrPatdeeee]

Now this item is taught the way it should be. Thanks to Jeff Farris, one of THE best teachers around.

[@nowthatsbetter8997]

You're killing me man, now I have to buy this. Have to work overtime! Excellent tool.

[@shanehertzog5812]

Jeff is a great instructor,top man.

[@diyenthu2844]

Ty Jeff, your teaching abilities show the 50+ yrs behind it! Why not have the base slide on the guide rail? Won't that be more precise and troubke free compared to manually pushing the base against the rail to keep the bit aligned?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

The MFRB doesn't have or need a groove to fit a guide rail track. The straight edge guiding the cut could have been anything, even a nice straight piece of scrap stock.

[@BanquetesBanesa]

good videos and tools hello fromMéxico city

[@DobryBoj]

I ordered mine. Great vid. Thanks. Woodpeckers is the Best.

[@johnielefevre3987]

I ordered mine.I would like the plans for the for the tray and bowl you did on your introduction to this new product.I really like the deep dive videos on your products on Friday.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Thank you! I We are happy you are enjoying our Deep Dive videos!!

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Here you go! www.woodpeck.com/media/manuals/Chips-Salsa-Bowl-Plans.pdf

[@markbongers9641]

Again a great deep dive. Ordered mine this week.

[@docghines]

That looks great. Just like the M-Power CRB7 I have had for years.

[@pcproff]

Jeez looks cold there.

[@bearcat2k]

Great video! Any chance this can do "easy" sliding tapered dovetails?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Interesting question, Michael. You just fed the Deep Dive subject machine. Watch for it!

[@JDDupuy]

Bill Hylton the author of Wood working with the Router and Router Magic did all this in his 2 books 25 years ago.

[@rickherrick1732]

Looks like a nice addition to the shop. Is it possible your dust extractor was not turned on? Using the Festool routers, I would have expected much less sawdust coming out.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

I would call the 1400 the weak sister of the Festool line when it comes to dust pick up. Better than most, but not as good as the 2200. They're all weak on dadoes and roundovers....except the 2200. It is pretty amazing.

[@steveg8853]

@@WoodpeckersLLC will this work with the 2200?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Yes, it will. Watch the main product video and you'll see it used on a 2200 quite a bit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpqoeoSCZseNgqs

[@steveg8853]

@@WoodpeckersLLC thank you! A must buy in that case

[@harrytilley8617]

Looks great but I don't have a Festool router. How about a demo with Delta or Porter Cable

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

This can be used with many routers. Check out our website under the multi function routines and scroll down to specifications and FAQa you will see all the routers that are compatible along with other important information.

[@robertsiebert8146]

Jeff, The router, for the table edge, was mounted in one position. Did you have to turn the router around on the multi functional router base, to route the dado? Also I noticed the brace was not used. Is the brace optional? Thanks

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Direction doesn't matter...just whatever is most comfortable for the operator. I didn't even notice that I had the little router mounted one way and the big router mounted the other. The Festool routers have a very secure grip on the guide rods. That tends to make me forget to put the brace on. In a critical cut, I would take the time to put the brace on.

[@robertsiebert8146]

Jeff, I am trying to dial in, as you were doing, but having difficulty seeing through the dust collector. I see you removed it. Were your results satisfactory based on removing the clear plastic collector?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

It's a pain, but I take it out, adjust, put it back in and make the cut. Sometimes, if you just open the slider, you can see your marks.

[@aaronoliver7998]

Only one piece of plywood was harmed, in the making of this film. I am continually impressed with Woodpeckers products, and am slowly building a collection of my own! I just couldn’t resist passing on the joke. Sorry, 😅

[@stanmashek3085]

GREAT VIDEO GOOD TEACHER

[@MrTooTechnical]

Great vid. Please make the 1281 out of solid stainless steel. That would be great.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

This has been thought about but keep an eye out because we will have another new version coming out soon!

[@toolchuck]

@Woodpeckers Stop it right now! I'm going to nip this in the bud. I just bought a 1281 and it is simply great. If you go and make another version, say in S.S., what am I supposed to do, buy another one? 😁

[@MrTooTechnical]

@@toolchuck I want stainless steel. Woohoo

[@toolchuck]

@dave daved I think my 12” Starrett will probably have to do me, but I am getting the 1812 SS on Friday, so there, neener-neener, 😜 I just got my 1281 yesterday, man that thing is so nice!

[@MrTooTechnical]

@@toolchuck if shooting a bullet at a unknown square is coming out in a few days. Then we need to know what it is now because I wanna know what woodpeckers square offerings like NOW. I want a solid stainless steel 1281.

[@peterkelly8953]

Noice!! But if are going to use a Festool track as a fence, why not an adaptor that mates with their guide???

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

That might be a nice option, but that track could have been anything that was straight.

[@marknkatz]

@@WoodpeckersLLC I agree wholeheartedly with Peter Kelly on this. Many woodworking gurus advise against using the flat side of a router base (when flat and round sides are available) because of the possibility of the base shifting away from the guide and thus off the line of cut. This exactly the same scenario. For me it would be a white-knuckle operation, hoping to keep the base firmly against the guide. Not interested. When you add an adapter to lock the base to the rail, so it can only slide but not move away, let me know and I'll reconsider.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

@@marknkatz we tested this and the width of the base seems to mitigate those issues. But we understand but watch out for other future additions.

[@timbingham1498]

Hi Jeff. Can all routers fit into the base? I look forward to your reply

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Almost any router that has attachment points for guide rods will work. On the product page of our web site www.woodpeck.com/multi-function-router-base.html scroll toward the bottom of the page and click on the "Specifications/FAQs" tab. There's a chart with most current production routers on it and a guideline for checking out older routers to make sure they'll work.

[@davesimmer5617]

I only wish this tool was available today. It will be a happy day when I have this in my hands. I also want to commend Woodpeckers for telling us where other tools and items are manufactured on their website. I try hard to avoid buying China made products. Thanks so much for making it easy to find out without having to ask each time.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

I understand but they are available to order and estimate shipping out in July

[@phoenixzohar]

@@WoodpeckersLLC Any update on the shipping? It's 7/30 and there hasn't been an update yet for those of use who ordered in February. Thank you.

[@willliamschuster5582]

Which router base (fixed or plunge) is best suited for the m-f router base? Also my Dewalt DW618 knob handles are 90 degrees from base guide rod holes on fixed and lined up on plunge. Thoughts and/or advice?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Plunge is the best choice for use with the MFRB.

[@blake4915]

I see on the site different size guide rods. Which size would I need for a Bosch 1617 router?

[@SharpToolsUSA]

According to the chart found on that page, 3/8".

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

If you need any additional information you can also find some great information on our website under the Multi-Function Router Base. Scroll down to the specifications &FAQs. You will see all types of routers that can be used with this tool.

[@CaseAgainstFaith1]

I already have a CRB7. This looks nice, maybe even nicer. But, what I got is good.

[@ChristopherStevenson1971]

How does this compare to the M.Power CRB7? Thx.

[@carlbrothers]

While I don't own the CRB7, in a brief comparison just looking at the videos from both, I would say they are very similar. However the CRB is available now and can likely be in your workshop in a week, versus the estimated ship date of July 31. That aside, a few reviewers of the crb7 cited that the micro adjust can be a bit hard to use.

[@charleskorman8748]

I watched the M power video. Functionality wise both extend capability of the router but the Woodpecker version looks to be better built and includes an edge fence which is a 30$ optional add on for M power. M power also shows an optional trim guide with a bearing but trim router bits have a bearing so this seems redundant. I assume that the Woodpecker would accommodate bushing applications.

[@johngrubbs9494]

I have the CRB7, and to be honest I just don't like it. It's impossible to center my router (Bosch MR23MVS) as Jeff did at the start of this video. The base if pretty flimsy. I don't think the micro adjuster is very smooth. I've used it on several projects, but I normally don't bother b/c the setup is so finicky. I agree with Charles Korman in that it seems the base, fence and micro adjuster is much better built. On the positive side, the M. Power unit does have a edge trimming kit that would seem to be useful.

[@tomaseklund2299]

I have the CRB7. The CRB7 is not compatible with the Festool OF 1400 router. Or rather the micro-adjust will not work with that router, bu the Woodpeckers MFRB will. I haven't seen the Woodpeckers' in person, but it looks a bit nicer and in my eyes it looks better engieered. The CRB7 feels a bit cheap and flimsy. If the Woodpeckers Multi-function Router Base came in a systainer, I would buy it and retire the CRB7.

[@edwardwilson990]

What is the purpose of the outboard clamp? It looks pretty thin to provide much clamping value.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Edward, the router stays very stationary on the base without the clamp. With the clamp it is rock solid. It's more than enough to overcome tendency for the router to slide on the base.

[@edwardwilson990]

@@WoodpeckersLLC Thank you, BTW, my woodworking friends razz me over my "Woodpecker Wall". They think, and rightfully so that my shop looks like like a Woodpecker store. 🤣 Of course, they all love using my stuff.

[@davidrasmussen2975]

Could it be anymore complicated to do a simple cut along a straight edge?

[@daveklein2826]

Nothing complicated at all

[@kurtpasewaldt]

I have two routers and according to your website, they require different guide rod sizes. In that situation what is the solution? Do I need to buy two complete units or just additional guide rods?

[@jcdelmore]

What the answer?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

The guide rods are available in pairs. One unit plus one extra set of guide rods has you covered.

[@rond1962]

Why is the dust collection not working? Normally festool routers have excellent dust collection.

[@sinsofvorador]

I was wondering the same thing. I don't have a festool. Just heard there supposed to be the best tools on the market. 😂😂😂😂

[@rond1962]

@@sinsofvorador I actually have the same festool router he is using in the video and the dust collection is fantastic. I'm just wondering if there is something about this base that is preventing the dust collection from working

[@JDDupuy]

@@rond1962 Mine works great also. Dust collection was not in the design apparently!

[@jerelmercurio4754]

Man this guy must be the life of the party. If I saw him comming up to the door with a bag, I'd have a beer ready for his hand. You'd sware it was the Superbowl as he showed off WoodPeckers new sweet stuff. I sware its like they make their products for themselves. Like they are in quality control saying. Nope, were not putting that out till this that and the otherthing is taken care of. After all, were the ones using them first and if its not up to user specs then its not up to ours. The way routers were meant to be used. A bit of people complain about other WoodPecker products. That some are too complicated and too many pieces. Not true. Things always seem that way on demos until your used to it. WoodPeckers are built on Intelligence, space and time saving. My only hangup I can see so far is some products should have more hand screws, etc, instead of screws and allens. All in all, it truly is hard to fathom how one single unheard of brand name can consistently engineer soo many essential tools making the brand name standards go home crying at night.

[@toolchuck]

Jeff, what form of storage or case do you folks offer for this? I don't see anything listed on the webpage? Please don't tell me you aren't offering any for this, there are just too many pieces not to. 😢

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

This does not come with a systainer it will be in a box. We looked into it but it would add too much to the cost. I can not promise that it would fit into a sys1.

[@toolchuck]

@Woodpeckers OK, side note, I see where to order WP sys1's, but can I get a WP black hard plastic case like the one that comes with the ULTRA-SHEAR PEN MILL CI, or the Saw Gauge 2.0, or anything close in that size?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

@@toolchuck This is Jeff. The MFRB will fit in a Sys1. There's not much room for padding, but it does fit. I don't think any of the blow-molded cases we have in stock would work.

[@toolchuck]

@@WoodpeckersLLC OK, Jeff, 'SKU: MFRB-38-21" is on the list right behind the Super Fence and Micro Adjust. I just have to wait for the four squares you talked into purchasing to cool down with the wife first, sometime next month is my best guess, then I can make a move on the SF and MA. But I can use a blow-mold case now for my ULTRA-SHEAR-PEN-MANDREL, the "Tube" it came in just isn't working out. I can't find a good place to store it that I can get to, or remember where the heck I put it. Do you have one that is the same, or close to the same size of the ULTRA-SHEAR PEN MILL CI? If so, I could just store them next to each other? Thanks!

[@seanrichards]

Does this base work with Bosch router ?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Sean, it depends on which Bosch router. And as of 10 minutes ago, it works with even more routers. If your router base is drilled for guide rods, and the rods can go through, it will most likely fit. We make rods in 5/16" (8mm), 3/8" (9.5mm) and 10mm. We've also just decided to add 1/4", which will work with 7mm holes, too. The small rods aren't on the web site yet, but they will be the first of the week. Check the holes in your router base using drill bits to measure the hole size.

[@avih7311]

Really good instructions and tool is of course nice. I am not sure why the extensive use of Allen keys - it is very easy to have small knobs on the screw so at least one can hand tighten it first. One can see that when u tighten with the key it moves on you too.... just sayin....

[@claudej55]

Vous avez un materiel fabuleux, est-il distribué en Europe et en "métrique"? Merci

[@jamescollier2370]

Je ne crois pas qu'il y a des concessionaires en Europe, monsieur. J'habite en France et je commande des outils du Royaume-Uni, l'Allemagne et l'Autriche. Je n'ai jamais vu les outils de Woodpeckers ici. Cependant, le fabricant les offre la plupart de leur outils celui-là deux échelles métrique et Imperial dans les États-Unis.

[@hgohlke]

This product is great and this super nice guy is doing a fantastic job introducing the tool. But I cannot buy it here.....

[@marvinbenjamin3015]

Sorry that can't work on my porter cable 7529 2hp vs plunge router.

[@MakerModder]

I'm honest, I don't quite see the value added. The festool you used has an edge guide. The 50 dollar upgrade gives it rail support. Micro adjust is useful. The rest is just a simple pivot, which can be made witha screw, and scrap plywood (maybe some more effort to lock it in, like double sided tape. For a woodpecker product in the 500+ price tag, I would expect some features like flip stops, precision edge ruler scales, or the ability to clamp it square to two edges.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

$500? Where did that come from? It's $249.99 every day.

[@daveklein2826]

Maker is a whiner

[@williamlewis3965]

those tools look real nice working people can't afford those

[@robertsiebert8146]

Well, I removed it, took a 5mm cut and dust was minimal. I think you can get by without it installed. Thanks Jeff

[@christopherdekonstrukt444]

I should have downloaded the compatibility list when I saw it, now I can't find it. I have a Bosch MRC23EVSK router and need the correct rod size for my router. I'm glad you now have this in stock as I added it last month to my wish list. Thank you.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

It's on the main product page www.woodpeck.com/multi-function-router-base.html At the bottom, click the "Specifications/FAQ" tab. You want the 3/8" rods.

[@christopherdekonstrukt444]

@@WoodpeckersLLC Mandy hooked me up over there. I have many of your rulers and other products. We have a shortage of plywood here because of Ida and having a hard time finding affordable cabinet grade materials.

[@markaitken8669]

You did not show the install of, or talk about the outboard fence!!

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

It's in Part 2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGq7e2qJbsSVeaM

[@markgandenberger3006]

Thank you for the video, it was very helpful. I have a question about the outboard clamp though. You did not appear to use it until you did your dado parallel to the edge of the board. Is there a reason it wasn't used on the earlier cuts or was it an oversight? Unless I'm missing something it seems like the router could be prone to slight side-to-side shifts without the use of that clamp.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

The outboard clamp is a cool feature, and I use it most of the time...until I forget. I am vigilant about using it when I'm dadoing. But, less so when using the base to support edge forming. Chalk it up to laziness. Best practice is to use it all the time. Did that sound a little bit like "Do what I say, not what I do"? Sorry.

[@markgandenberger3006]

@@WoodpeckersLLC Sounds like a reasonable and honest answer to me! If nothing else it implies that the support rods likely resist lateral movement more than I was expecting, which is a good thing.

[@patrickarchuleta9594]

Can you use any router.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Patrick, the router needs a base that is made for guide rods. That includes most, but not all routers. It is usable with fixed base routers, but a plunge router makes the project go smoother and faster. So ideal is a mid-sized plunge router with bores for guide rods.

[@misterfee6467]

why would you want to use a straight edge against a straight edge instead of the round base?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

What the MFRB brings to the party is the ability to adjust the width of the dado without moving the straight edge. If you were using the base of the router (straight or round, either one), you would have to move the straight edge to make the dado wider and getting it exactly parallel to the first setting is pretty tough.

[@misterfee6467]

@@WoodpeckersLLCthis is a cool feature and the micro adjustability is incredibly useful but wouldn't it have made more sense to have the end of the base that rides against the straight edge round. This prevents against user error. I do understand that it is a pretty heafty base so maybe its not too hard to keep the straight edge right against the straight edge. Just a thought though

[@ealdydar]

Hmm Festool routers with that handle sure look awkward to use. Never had a stability issue using a router doing a round over before.

[@DuncanEdwards.]

Exactly the same as the M Power CRB7 but 3x more expensive

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Several key upgrades and when comparing apples to apples on what is standard, only a little more expensive.

[@JDDupuy]

I have the same one but collects dust most of the time.

[@tinker-ing-around2317]

Looks nice but cost more than my plunge/fixed router kit!

[@markthorsen2888]

Why does woodpeckers sell tools before making them?

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

The engineering work is done, the product has been field-tested, the marketing work has been completed but there's no machine time available and we're in a holding pattern for raw material (like every other manufacturer). You want us to just sit on it until we can make them? Sorry you have to wait, but we're doing everything we can to catch up. Shutting down the development program is not the solution.

[@mrt076]

It’s great but unfortunately can’t wait to July and have to get another product. I don’t understand this marketing philosophy to hype up new tools months before they come out. Eg - Kreg tools announced new jigs and they were available a week later. Bummer.

[@daveklein2826]

Lol

[@DKWalser]

Michael -- I understand your frustration. Since you compared Kreg and Woodpecker, let's look at the two business models to see if we can come up with an answer to your lament about Woodpecker. Kreg is a mass marketer of woodworking tools and jigs. Their tools are sold through Home Depot, Lowes, Woodcraft, Rockler, Ace, etc. Their model requires Kreg to make huge volumes to supply all those outlets for their tools. In contrast, Woodpecker does not make tools and jigs for the mass market. It makes a variety of very high-quality tools in small batches. Small batches are necessary because it would be much more expensive for Woodpecker acquire enough space and machinery to keep each of their products in continuous production. By having customers preorder their tools, Woodpecker is able to accurately size each batch to meet demand. Again, this reduces the cost of making each batch. Imagine how much it would cost the company to have a few hundered of each product sitting on shelves waiting months or years to be sold! Note: I am NOT saying Kreg or Woodpecker's business model is better or worse than the other's. Each has adopted a model that is appropriate for the kind of market it is serving and the type of products it makes.

[@mrt076]

@@DKWalser I would agree with you if this is a One Time Tool, buts it’s not. Kreg is a bad example. I own a bunch of Woodpeckers tools and this new One Time Tool marketing approach to new items that will be standard stock is a new approach they have taken and just stating I don’t like the approach.

[@arth.4196]

I knew you would produce a Craftsmans Tool that I knew you knew I would have to buy. How 🤔 am I gonna hide this from the wife. 🙄🙄😷

[@frankieg3953]

Early Christmas present.

[@chuckbogart9382]

I will keep my CRB7.

[@YouGumppy]

I guess that anyone who could afford this jig would also be a Festool proponent.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

It works with any router that has guide rods. I know Festool routers are expensive, but they're so smooth and so quiet you tend to forget how much you paid for them.

[@StripLV]

@@WoodpeckersLLC yes, we Germans know what we do, especially when we live in the south, around Stuttgart or Munich :-) And your Boss, Richard Hummel (or his parents) are also from Germany AFAIK?

[@АнатолийЛавренюк-с1ш]

Все можно закрывать цех , без этой приспособы работать нельзя(

[@vincebaker3384]

the CRB7 UNIVERSAL COMBINATION ROUTER JIG can do the same things for $109.00 this jig is $219.00

[@JimInNM430]

If it's RED, it's high

[@vincebaker3384]

@@JimInNM430 That's the truth

[@BadenCIG]

Is the CRB7 made in USA? That is the one thing that is guaranteed when you buy from Woodpeckers.

[@RWingoS7]

@@BadenCIG It is made in the UK. Personally I am okay paying more for the Woodpeckers product as I am in the USA but I can understand why some folks might not like the price.

[@vincebaker3384]

@@BadenCIG I don't think it is made in the us but what is not much. even cars made here have a lot of parts & electronics made overseas or in Mexico or Canada

[@markthorsen2888]

Holy hostility batman! It was a simple question that I believe is valid because I have not found another company doing it this way. If you don't know why just say so. Sheesh.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

No hostility intended, just trying to give you an honest answer. We would love to be able to deliver tools immediately after releasing them. But we don't have enough equipment or manpower to make that happen. We're adding machinery, buildings and people as fast as we can.

[@BeaulieuTodd]

“Heigth“

[@JayJay-sg7zl]

Love the assesory but a bit too over priced . It cost as much as the tool

[@motayabansari6568]

Paraij

[@alfredvignes5526]

takes to much time to setup, over price for what is does if you have time to fool with it, woodpecker make good product i have some, the only thing i saw was the square that would be worth talking about

[@daveklein2826]

Lol

[@JDDupuy]

Its another dust collecting waste of money gadget!

[@daveklein2826]

@@JDDupuy lol

[@UpcomingJedi]

I hate it when they start the video with a commercial for a totally unrelated product or when they beg for a like, like i cant decide for myself if i want to see more by this videos author. Automatic dislike even if the content is great.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

Sorry you were offended. We stopped asking for subs in the opening over a year ago, but we didn't go back and re-edit years of videos.

[@dylanm3519]

This base is meh. Why spend all that money, when you can achieve most of what you did here at a lower cost and using festool specific products like their micro adjust attachment. Using the rail is far more precise than pushing against it with this base.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

But, not everyone has Festool routers and not all Festool router owners have the guide rail attachment. Nothing against that system, I use it myself, but it can't do arcs.

[@dylanm3519]

@@WoodpeckersLLC true about the router. But they have a fairly simple attachment that one can attach to the router for doing arcs and circular cutouts. Price wise, it would be less cost for me to get that piece, along with a thirty dollar micro adjust and I'd still be ahead cost wise, so i could spend it on another part for doing mortise and tenon.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

@@dylanm3519 Get what is going to work for you, but I will point out that the Festool trammel can't go either as large or as small as ours and has no micro-adjustment. I think our MFRB packs a bunch of functions into a very easy to use package. I will agree that a track follower would be a nice addition.

[@patrickarchuleta9594]

Why is it you don't give us poor guys prices is it because it's over priced and can't afford it hello.

[@WoodpeckersLLC]

All of our pricing is on our website www.woodpeck.com

[@daveklein2826]

They give you prices on everything..... Go to the website and stop complaining

[@peterbrauns375]

Zzzzzz

[@ittybitbobo7657]

Another over complicated over priced bling gadget

[@daveklein2826]

Not true

[@jasonmako343]

Another stupid, overpriced product that's unnecessary. It takes too long to setup on your router. The functions are already accomplished with other OEM products like offset base, edge guide, guide stops, etc. Especially if you have a good system like the Festool line he's using there.

[@schwartzmatthewe]

Your comment is so useful 😂😂. Whine somewhere else dude.

[@daveklein2826]

It's only slow because you are slow