TOP MMR NO GEN DEFENCE VS GEN DEFENCE! DO YOU SEE HOW MANDATORY IT IS?

[@leonardopontes7376]

This is why I'm stopping Playing this game, there's just no time to play if you don't bring the meta. It's so frustrating, every single fast chase it's a gen gone and the only thing that you can do is tunnel.

[@kingtwitch8498]

Not really I find it easier to force them into a 3 gen or pressure them to keep healing

[@leonardopontes7376]

@@kingtwitch8498 good for you, if you find this easy to do, you don't play at the same level that I do.

[@Evalora]

i swapped to identity v like a year ago, much more honest game to play + significantly more competitive/skillful (while you can generally expect 3 'gens' to go on first chase, they kept the equivalent of hook grabs, 'killers' are actually allowed to use their powers to camp and if they mess up the save can win just off that as someone only takes 60 sec to die on 'hook')

[@kingtwitch8498]

@@leonardopontes7376 you say that but clearly I’m playing at higher level if you are tunneling! Yeah gen speeds are fast but know how to use your killer correctly not swing at dumb stuff and keep moving

[@ghitaianis9022]

Crazy all gens in 5 minutes with quick chases results in a 7 minuts game with 1 kill. That should never be achievable

[@Evalora]

not crazy to someone who plays the competitive version of dead by daylight where the average match length is 5 minutes of course all the gens are done almost by the time you can even kill one person vs efficient survs, most of the killers are weak, 3 gens go in 90 seconds (then 2 more in another 100-120 or so), the maps are generally loaded with powerful tiles and survivors take a year and a half to die on hook unless they rq or get farmed + almost all hook contesting is gone

[@hookcamper653]

@@Evalora "not crazy to a section of the playerbase that makes up less than 1% of it" isn't a great response

[@Evalora]

@@hookcamper653 it's dbd dude, if all five players in the match know how to play the game then it's heavily favoured towards the majority team, it's just how it's mechanically set up with how bhvr generally balances the game around the bottom 15% of survivor players if you want a somewhat more even experience try identity v

[@zelraths]

So many comments saying "i dont see the difference between games" or "L take" and its night and day, first game you have to juggle all the gens as in the time it takes to chase, down, and hook ONE person may not seem like a lot, but its enough to do THREE gens against players that actually know how to play properly, but with the defence perks, namely pain res, youre hitting gens across the map, then a 2nd one if youre running pop when you go patrolling, the time you get in return is HUGE! As a killer in these high MMR lobbies seconds make the difference and they really add up over a game

[@jonathanarellano8449]

Gen defense perks are basically mandatory at high mmr, which is kinda sad because it would be nice to try unique builds that don’t use gen defense and win.

[@boinggerss1560]

Tbh it’s needed and used at all ranks I started over on another account so me and my bf could both be at low mmr so I could teach him how to play the killers are still purple level perks with 2 gen slow downs and 2 other ones that either flow with the killer or anti chase perks sadly then next game we get a killer with one yellow perk and we win in 5-8 minutes or less

[@ARUNMANOJ86]

u can somewhat getaway with it if u have really OP build on certain killer with down time under 15s.. even they will do 4 gens :)

[@luizmatheus-v1h]

not mandatory if you using blight or nurse, but weak killers like legion doctor etc yes i can easily kill good survivors with blight with only corrupt intervention i would say the 4 strongest killers doenst need gen defence perks to win

[@CaptToilet]

@@boinggerss1560 Not necessarily true all the time. I just started back up after being off since May and all my games I have killer cool down perks like STBFL and brutal. At my MMR range I am still getting 2k's minimum. I know I am not at a total potato level since 1 out of every say 5 or 6 games I will get a total bulldozing. Still though majority are fine. I do play for hooks though and if people are on death hook during end game I let them go. It is how I keep this shitty system in check so my games are at least somewhat enjoyable.

[@rje613]

News just in: Guy finds that good perks are needed in high-level games.

[@shoul1]

The devs have stated that Killer is stronger at low level and at high level Survivors are stronger. They used much more nuanced language to avoid admitting it outright, but yeah, Killer definitely needs gen defense at high level.

[@hookcamper653]

i've never heard the devs say that but i said that years ago lol

[@sevendaystocry2546]

That guy who thought Gen defence needs nerfing is a nut case

[@Syzio_Bruh]

I'm for it if they just made killer bearable to play as. Which will never happen cause most of the player base are survivor mains.

[@Creacken]

honestly you can win without meta perks it just requires you to play in a very unfun way. But even then it all still depends on the survivors making mistakes and not having second chance perks

[@marche434]

Gen speeds need to be slowed down for sure, either nerf all toolboxes and gen speed perks or increase base gen to 120 seconds

[@12stepsbeyondtheeventhorizon]

I've considered coming back to this game, but seeing the dogshit state it still is in, and how nothing has changed since I stopped playing years ago, makes me not want to deal with this shit at all.

[@rejask448]

Answer: rework gens

[@macavalli2619]

Gen speed are actually fine. Survivors just should not be able to heal more than 2 times because right now they keep hiding and healing. After not able to do with that then it's gonna be riskier to do a lot of the plays they always do

[@kakonada]

The healing time change in a past ptb from 16 to i think to 23sec was good. Change my mind​@@macavalli2619

[@kakonada]

​@@macavalli2619and true, Gen speed is fine but ngl I think other actions should take way more time

[@macavalli2619]

@@kakonada especially healing and pickups

[@Riokv]

@@macavalli2619 You do realize that would shoot up some killers to levels of broken that are unheard of right? If killers can and will win by tryharding with tunneling even against top mmr survs (see Tru3) what would not healing accomplish? A killer with pressure on the map and easy injures just being unplayable against? ffs there is a reason yall arent in the dev team.

[@viTaDBaD]

I mean, I am pretty bad at this game but I've noticed my survivor games either go terribly wrong or its insane how easy the game was. The only difference is my teammates were doing gens or not doing gens.

[@GoopOozeAndMore]

I was so mad that he wasn’t using his “Best Friends” perk, he could’ve gotten a 4k on that first game because the obsession was playing WAYYY too unsafe around him when he was hooking

[@michaelbald1729]

The only fun interaction in this game is the chase but they have made chases obsolete for both sides, so to win on survivor you need to smash gets out in 5 minutes and to win as killer you need gen defence plus strats they've gone the wrong was about balance

[@GuineaGamer]

Yeah, I agree. The survivors don't really have to run any specific perks to win. Killers absolutely have to have gen defense or it is a meme.

[@jnever9768]

whats nuts to me is i went against a team with no gen speed perks and i was trying the 12 hooks and be nice...even with getting someone out at 3 gens (2 left) they still finished all the gens and it came down to me making 2 great plays at the end to win. gens go way too fast and i get it...they are boring to do. anytime your just holding a button for minutes is boring. which is why they nerfed sloppy...unfortunately.

[@nbh.knight]

19:03 average delusional dbd player having an opinion with no factual basis whatsoever, for the sake of having an opinion

[@Doesntmatter-o6w]

WTH? Where'd my comment go?

[@tellmeimfunny]

lol that wasn’t balanced at the beginning she made the noise when she dropped down thought you had thousands of hours

[@blankblank4522]

He doesn't know what the definition of insanity is, does he

[@mohsaic3489]

Do you? Or do you think the actual definition of insanity is what vaas said in farcry 3? 😂

[@blankblank4522]

@@mohsaic3489 I do. Both definitions apply, since you brought it up.

[@mywafflebroke6874]

You are just incompetent.

[@blankblank4522]

@@mywafflebroke6874 how clueless can you be?

[@mywafflebroke6874]

@@blankblank4522 Can*

[@g59cata]

why u do not post clips when u get demolished from ur streams, u got 3 staged on shelter woods with alien, pop pain res nowhere to hide agi tho

[@enriquesuarez9770]

Who wants to go on KZbin and watch somone take a L 💀

[@JayCross454]

Would you post games of yourself getting absolutely wrecked? If you followed the channel, you'd know that he does with most of his uploads having a lesson or purpose behind them. It's content, bro.

[@anniellusion]

Did you literally not watch the video? What do you call the first video other than getting demolished? lmfao. Jesus you are delusional.

[@Tarantulux]

all bhvr needs to do is make a ranked playlist and you can only queue up with 2 or more survivors on ranked

[@DJCurry25]

devil's advocate, theres a chance the person talking about gen perks in the 2nd game meant "how op gen speed perks are" and not how op gen defense perks are. when you read the comment you said gen perks.

[@ilou7423]

Ok ok, stop saying you're objective when you're calling a gen at 60% 99ed. Pls stop that's ridiculous. But yeah, gen defense is needed at top MMR.

[@rje613]

Tru3, can you try to make an effort not to cough right into the camera? It's just gross, and disrespectful. Takes no effort to turn your head or cover your mouth.

[@XytaVuramee]

Bro get over yourself, you go hop on your stream and follow ur etiquette, oh wait you don't have one, so stop yappin' anonymous bum

[@johnpatino5340]

This is an L take, I said it while he was live he played hit and run the first match way more than his second match and delayed his first down for so long the matches weren’t that different he played them completely different

[@JayCross454]

I see no difference in either games. He detached on unsafe chases and committed where necessary while still putting pressure on the map with doc stuns. You're definitely making a bad interpretation of these two games.

[@zelraths]

He hit and run so much because in the time it takes to chase, down, and hook one survivor 3 gens can pop and without perks to buy time you're so limited to how long you can chase one person, so you're forced into a chaotic position that high level players will absolutely take advantage of, he plays differently because he has more time and flexibility due to gen defense perks that degress gens automatically from across the map from just hooking someone, the sheer amount of time it buys you is mandatory when the survivors know what they're doing, know they're playing the stronger role, and aren't as lost as most normal ones usually are

[@johnpatino5340]

@@JayCross454 if you see no difference in the two games then idk what to tell you it’s pretty simple one game he dropped injured survivors the other he commuted to chases

[@johnpatino5340]

@@zelraths he wasted more time running across the map to injure a survivor after having one already injured letting that survivor take over whatever gen they wanted and delayed his first hook for minimum an extra 30 - 45 second if he would have downed the first survivor he would force only 2 survivors to be on gens and if he played it well enough he could force 1 survivor to be on gens pressure the other off hook and make one of the other two have to save it’s just map management and match control was his second game easier because of gen regression yea sure but was his first game played optimally not really I just don’t get ur you have so much time to chase someone when he wasted twice that time probably leaving chase starting a new one and then still taking more time to get 2 hits out of a new survivor compared to 1 hit on an already injured survivor what actually happened was he heard a gen let go of chase shocked the gen doer kicked the gen lost distance on the second survivor he chased and extended the chase time but that’s really all I gotta say I’m not tryinna argue just blaming a build and only the build is meh

[@JayCross454]

@@johnpatino5340 you're saying he should have committed to chases when everyone is literally telling you that those chases were very time wasteful. Those survivors were in very good positions at extremely safe loops. Even an injured survivor can loop for 2 gens when in the right position. Give a survivor exhaust perks and they can get half of a gens time in shift W. If you're still going to argue the same point without considering these parameters then you're just clueless.

[@JSU77]

Jesus loves yall sm

[@Ergeniz]

Tired of this guy using 'gen speed' and 'top tier survivahs' to justify his tunneling and camping obsession. Learn to play ffs 🙃🙃🙃

[@cameronshields276]

Tf are you yapping about

[@mohsaic3489]

I tired of seeing you survivors bitch about your made up rules. “Tunnel” “camp” holy fuck just go outside if you’re at the point to where you take this game so serious that, you expect people to play the way you want them to play.

[@Duskwalker68]

Low quality bait tbh

[@Ardentuss]

Tired of delusional people acting like the game isn’t completely survivor sided at top mmr. It’s just a fact that survivor have all the tools to make killers completely obsolete, it’s just dependent on if they know how to use them. Solo survivors who don’t are another story. At that point it can feel like the killer is pretty oppressive

[@mywafflebroke6874]

You are horrible at the game, just admit it and maybe you'll start to improve rather than saying tunneling is camping is viable and "strong". Just rush gens and killers get 1 MAYBE 2 kills. You survivor mains will rush gens (your objective), but once the killer rushes his objective it's bad? okay...(FYI, tunneling can be strong but the killer is forced into that situation with the current meta)

[@Swagvin]

The rage quit at the end lol