200 for tyres ,alloys and suspension Nowadays that would be in the thousands
@Tiberius111111116 жыл бұрын
just alloys would be atleast 1 or 2 thousands
@ivhak-_-87205 жыл бұрын
For 200 u will get your name on the "Cock" list
@harbingertheheretic35415 жыл бұрын
The £14,000 price tag was about $20,000 US, which won't even get you an actual *car* new today in the US.
@AR-Trim_Dany4 жыл бұрын
200 for pass silver to dark rims, better tires, better shock absorbers, harder spring and -15mm, bigger front rolling and axle pivot
@extremelydangerousme4 жыл бұрын
MyFriendMe Nissan Versa is 15,000 new
@reinier660 Жыл бұрын
14 years later: One of the best cars ever made.
@360FAMOUZ3606 жыл бұрын
Crazy that this did 0-60 in 7 seconds and 10 years later fords Mk7 ST only does it in 6.9
@longboyyo84396 жыл бұрын
Infamouz ST isn't made to be fast my guy. It's just for fun
@brickhead486 жыл бұрын
EP3 Civic much more fun and much cheaper
@iliaz70576 жыл бұрын
Well if I remember correctly the ek9 buck in the 90 made it in high 6 or low 7
@staggabob5 жыл бұрын
More fun how?
@Skullbrothers5 жыл бұрын
Civic is not a supermine hatch.
@elementmaniac10 жыл бұрын
Plastic? weight reduction bro!
@ocd22229 жыл бұрын
elementmaniac 12 thousand dollar rebuilt SOOOOOOOOOOON
@Wasmachineman9 жыл бұрын
rimwydas44 TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR ENGINE REBUILD, SOOOOOOON! Sparco seats bro!
@santileonsteinberg14418 жыл бұрын
+WasmachinemanTT5/R™ Steering rack BRO!!!
@ashishcarchitect6 жыл бұрын
So good car
6 жыл бұрын
Love that 4age 20v silvertop
@Kenz12214 жыл бұрын
Had a race with one of these in my MK7 ST (I’m not a chav I promise) and the Clio really isn’t to be messed with, was nearly keeping up with the much newer ST. Unbelievable car the Clio
@warrior81543 жыл бұрын
Amazing right
@davonmulder84582 жыл бұрын
what a line-up XD
@Incognitoray4 ай бұрын
I was baited into racing a fast Ford on my first day of ownership. More luck than judgement but although the Ford pulled away slightly l, the Clio did keep up. But on the corners the traction felt to be on a knifes edge and the Ford looked comfortable.
@mesmoland6 жыл бұрын
I'm still driving mine 14 years later :)
@hielkegrijpstra80566 жыл бұрын
Please i dont get it how do i know if its a 182 of 172
@rob5gt6 жыл бұрын
mesmoland had my 172 for 9 years.. I love it
@paulpugh___39465 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a mk3 Clio dynamique with all the sports kit in grey and I love it. Was thinking about getting a new Clio but I can’t lol. Am I sad enough lol?
@crazitor10305 жыл бұрын
@@hielkegrijpstra8056 172 I believe only has one exhaust on the back and with the 182 has two but my 172 had the seats saying it was a Renault Clio 172.
@goranbare12215 жыл бұрын
I also have 182 cup Liquid Yellow :))) great car for that money...
@RelicToWreck15 жыл бұрын
This is what you call a "fast slow car." Love these little guys.
@jackturner53632 жыл бұрын
@Purch I think he’s on about the car
@rickoep32 жыл бұрын
Still one of if not the best hot hatch ever made. Most enjoyable car I've had.
@Therealgamer544 Жыл бұрын
You sure?
@noegojimmy Жыл бұрын
Literally a tripod in corners😅😅😅
@lemonmaster8933 Жыл бұрын
@@Therealgamer544I can confirm this
@VantageNoir10 ай бұрын
Almost the best chassis setup Renault ever made.
@jerry67119 ай бұрын
Better than 1999-2007 Toyota MR2?
@fabiotrevisan16608 жыл бұрын
The best old school hot hatch ever made, really lovable right now!! The cup pack gets better than traditional!! Clio forever!!
@zoltancsikos56046 жыл бұрын
Fabio Trevisan No.
@chrishand58296 жыл бұрын
Put the glue down
@Skullbrothers5 жыл бұрын
From the 2000s it is.
@FEGTTTSDH5 жыл бұрын
@Jay Leno crap? ok fanboy
@stanross63675 жыл бұрын
Jay Leno civic type r as well
@TheCrOwSoN1512 жыл бұрын
'MURICA. Where 8.0ltrs of V10 power only make's 400bhp. Good job.
@varolussalsanclar11637 жыл бұрын
Ben Crowson and 5.5L v8s make 120 hp...
@jdm-cars80446 жыл бұрын
Who can beat Mitsubishi Evo's. 2.0 l 440bhp.
@theenhancer6 жыл бұрын
I've always found that attitude kind of odd. The first Viper had roughly the same power as the same year Ferrari Testarossa, was quicker, got far better fuel economy, and the Viper's 8.0l V10 weighed substantially less than 4.9l V12 in the Testarossa. Who cares how you make the power, as long as it works?
@Tea_N_Crumpets5 жыл бұрын
How about Sweden, where a 5.0 v8 can make 1600 hp with the power of B I O F U E L S
@WymiataczPlays5 жыл бұрын
@@Tea_N_Crumpets Biofuel aka ethanol is actually better than regular gasoline for high power engines, so yeah.
@JustAGameShow3 жыл бұрын
Had two of the Clio RenaultSports .. Original 172 in Iceburg Silver and a 182 in the Racing Blue. Definitely a car to own for track days.
@fidelcatsro69489 жыл бұрын
2litre engine packed into a sardine can, what u expect? 180hp..
@fidelcatsro69487 жыл бұрын
;)
@inox1ck5 жыл бұрын
It's naturally aspirated so it's 90hp/l. A 3l would produce 270hp which is very good. But this engine goes up to 210hp on a different setting. ...Very nice for low weight cars. A Mazda mx5 would be pretty quick with this engine
@christineayres53395 жыл бұрын
still disappointing as the Peugeot 206 Gti had same power too and weighed the same , i think Renault should have made more of the 3litre V6 versions of the clio that was an epic car
@aczech125 жыл бұрын
@@christineayres5339 It was heavier. 1100 kg+
@christineayres53395 жыл бұрын
@@aczech12 ah ok
@freezeburn15 жыл бұрын
2:17 Oh yeah, but can you do this?!
@Porsche996TT4 жыл бұрын
Pewds right?
@warrior81544 жыл бұрын
Yes in my Clio xD
@brandonmartin-moore53024 жыл бұрын
Someone who spent that extra £200 back then will be enjoying it now because it definitely adds more than that to the resale value.
@SmallBlogV89 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure which has progressed more in the ~10 years since this episode, car interior plastics or TopGear's editing...
@KandiKlover8 жыл бұрын
neither
@wwethemes23416 жыл бұрын
this was aired In 2003 but uploaded on youtube in 2009 so this review is 15years old and and i can assure you that both got even worse
@nothajzl3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen the new Top Gear, but the Top Gear we all know and love always had amazing editing. Really clever and inventive.
@brickhead486 жыл бұрын
This era had some great hatchbacks, Clio 182, Cupra R, Focus RS and the EP3 Type R
@shifterbbr19862 жыл бұрын
2022 and I’m still driving mine, chipped, lowered 40mm and a scorpion exhaust system. The little beast still goes quick, handles great and sounds awesome just a shame it’s suffering some electrical issues right now. UCH needs replacing I reckon. 😵
@weston91064 жыл бұрын
He goes from calling it uncomfortable to “amazingly comfortable” in 2 minutes.
@kamrankhan-lj1ng2 жыл бұрын
I dont get, how, for just 200 pounds, u get amazingly comfortable suspension instead of uncomfortable one!!!!
@NSB254452 жыл бұрын
Uncomfortable in terms of seating position and space, but amazingly comfortable in terms of suspension.
@sugarnads Жыл бұрын
Hes referring to the one costing the extra 200. Has better suspension. Better doesnt always mean harder and more uncomfortable.
@sugarnads Жыл бұрын
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng because more expensive dampers work better. As do better speing rates etc. Doesnt always mean stiffer and harder. Renault 8 gordini rides better than a renault 8 1100. And handles better. Renault 5 turbo rides better than a 5 tl. So yeah. The french are quite good at making things handle better while also riding better
@akhashdhillon21597 жыл бұрын
3:16 its uncomfortable and at 4:14 its suddenly comfortable
@vaughnsigal45606 жыл бұрын
Jeremy was referring to it as though it had uncomfortable seating arrangements, but a good suspension set up
@tuttitutti75216 жыл бұрын
cyka blyat Iiii
@zoltancsikos56046 жыл бұрын
Cringe.
@JDMHaze6 жыл бұрын
be nice lol
@thrustvectoring81205 жыл бұрын
@@vaughnsigal4560 It has uncomfortable seating arrangements, but you'll get used to it after a while... Maybe 2minutes... :D
@ripptorr3 жыл бұрын
still have mine. 182 with both cup packs in arctic blue. bought it in 2006. So after 14 years ow ownership, some minor mods, an accident in 2009 and a recent engine build I can say it's a reliable car if it's mantained properly. Why have I kept it? because "it makes you feel ... happy" and that sums it up pretty good :). It's the last hot hatch from renault built to the "small car big engine" recipe and that's why it's so special. It's like an updated 205 GTI and what's not to like about a car as big, but more powerful, more dynamic and still spartan?
@co.11573 жыл бұрын
Cool
@joshuakhaos44513 жыл бұрын
Always keep the car that makes you happy. everyone always regrets that sell if they truly love the car.
@peteglanton92592 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a 14 year old Collie - he still jumps up at visitors, digs holes, and bombs around the park like a 182 on the Nurburgring ☺️
@louvain-fatskrrrt46983 жыл бұрын
My parents got one before I was born. Still to this day working in our teens.
@damienhowell37275 жыл бұрын
I've always preferred the vtec unit civic r but no credit can be taken away from the amazing clio 180 perhaps the most affordable 4 wheel performance ever made they are brilliant
@Vinbaccelli Жыл бұрын
I have the 1.2 Clio 2004 and it just won’t ever break. Already traveled 10 hours in a day trips on it and it never complains. Can’t break those cars even if you want to 😂
@tresyy10 ай бұрын
pretty unusual for a renault eh😂
@qlus4 жыл бұрын
I remember first seeing this episode when I was younger and I still want one
@faolan168612 жыл бұрын
"The raw processing power of The Stigs' foot" Love it.
@richardgoodman13102 жыл бұрын
I had two 182s - great cars! I have a 172 cup now, that’s even more loud in the car
@geekdiggy15 жыл бұрын
"which actually is pretty good" he says, as he places the time tape lower than richard's knees.
@Greg-TC4 жыл бұрын
Took another sip of the potion *hit the 3 wheel motion*
@Randomdude-i8x6 жыл бұрын
I came from a 145 bhp 950 kg suzuki baleno gsx 1.8. That was a really fun car to drive. This might be an excellent successor.
@ScottishTouge6 жыл бұрын
Harmen my first car was a ignis sport. My parents had a gsx years ago so I’ve always liked Suzuki. Was the gsx the one that had the sports suspension button?
@Danafsta14 жыл бұрын
I love Clarksons reviews.. he's truthful and entertaining..
@sotirismp28833 жыл бұрын
One of the best hot hatches ever made
@rondar215 жыл бұрын
3:20 Uncomfortable 4:16 Amazingly comfortable Jeremy make up your mind
@waldidee11253 жыл бұрын
Stupid old man 😀
@lightsaberlordp3733 жыл бұрын
@@waldidee1125 Clarkson is a hideously ugly sack of potatoes
@Albert-lj5jb5 жыл бұрын
Still driving a 2003 172, electronics bit wonky at times, it's a Renault, but the drive is still great fun!
@Maserman32111 жыл бұрын
Best Clio ever made!
@scotty1935 жыл бұрын
The Clio Williams in Dark Blue Metallic and Gold alloys was a proper looking car. Never had the opportunity to drive one but I bet it was a right goer and not cheaply assembled like this.
@sugarnads Жыл бұрын
All renaults are cheap
@elianioriofarrell10 ай бұрын
@sugarnads that's just not true at all 😂
@lightsaberlordp3738 ай бұрын
I always love French cars like this, it's cheap, fun, thrilling and very safe because of its 5 star safety rating which is good news!!!
@sammo819114 жыл бұрын
I wish Top Gear was still like this.
@aidaaliten88173 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Wok_Agenda4 жыл бұрын
I had a head on collision with a Suzuki swift and my clio literarly plowed through it with just a little piece of the headlight missing
@gaz004412 жыл бұрын
I owned a 172 Cup for 5 years with no issues.
@FederationStarShip5 жыл бұрын
Still got mine :) saves thousands by keeping it going
@TheGomarin4 жыл бұрын
i have a 2004 clio initiale paris (you know, automatic transmision) and 2 owners before me. one day in the autumn of 2015, i select drive and pushed the pedal to the bottom. in about 100 meters AND 7 seconds later, i reached a little more than 100 km/h (110km/h, maybe). not so impressive? well, that was before giving it a service, 11 years after their best condition, no good tyres, no 100% suspension condition, AND it has an 1.6L 16v engine (k4m), did i mention that it is automatic (dp0, yeah! that gearbox), yet? other day, next year, in a highway, i pushed that little car up to 160 km/h. yes, 12 years later from their best condition. and my clio was hungry, he needed more asphalt, but... traffic, you know. the last week, in other haighway, i finaly pushed as far as i can push it. well, that tiny blue automatic machine with about 16 years of life, passes the barrier (my barrier) of 160km/h, reaching 178 km/h (more or less, the odo is analog), almost the original speed specification for a new condition clio initiale paris. i'm thinking that this guys and the show should be made by mexicans (i am), we love to push to the limit our little engines witout any modification and most of the times, witout any service made je je. this guys are clearly afraid of the dead jajajajajaja in my opinion. cheers everyone!
@adammidderigh41508 жыл бұрын
Just bought a Clio 172 Cup and I completely agree with everything clarkson says.
@tsunika26 Жыл бұрын
"no car company wants to make safe cars" Volvo: "Am I a joke to you?"
@Joshlama15 жыл бұрын
note to self: never skip the rest of the video. I take it back, It's a good car!
@HENRYHOBBS113 жыл бұрын
clarkson is for chav`s n joe public n laughed at by specialist press who regarded the 182 as the greatest hot hatch at the time,it has one of the greatest chassis ever
@ghostrider13bg6 жыл бұрын
2:16 hahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHHA I bought it 3 days ago and in the middle of the road I thought " why is this seat so upright, pulled the lever and fall back :D ''
@warrior81543 жыл бұрын
Lmao 😂😂
@deborahfogg1907 жыл бұрын
this car is sat in my garage.........owned it for a few years now.
@alansmilealot7 жыл бұрын
Deborah Fogg broke?
@TripZ-DnB5 жыл бұрын
Had a 182 and a 172. Had loads more fun and less problems with the 172 and now my misses owns it
@CraigPearson4611 жыл бұрын
The tripod effect as it is being called is not a bad thing, it is 100% lateral load transfer on the non driven axle which reduces grip on the rear due to the way tyres decrease friction coefficient with increasing load, and hence gives you more grip on the front, which means grip distribution closely matches weight distribution, and gives a nicely balanced car through all phases of a corner. As much as I like Jeremy he isn't well informed on vehicle dynamics.
@pranavghantasala68085 жыл бұрын
Jeremy doesn't know a lot of things but in this case he meant it as a compliment. He actually says (along with Richard) that "cocking the wheel" is the mark of a "true hot hatch". They LOVE it, and honestly, who doesn't? It's awesome!
@rorycahill5 жыл бұрын
@@pranavghantasala6808 I love it when hot hatches turn into tripods. It is the hot hatch equivalent of the massive oversteer cornering shot that everyone loves
@projectjt314911 жыл бұрын
This should be the next reasonably priced car.
@pranavghantasala68085 жыл бұрын
Problem is it's not reasonably priced; It's AMAZINGLY priced. £14,700 for something that fast is no joke.
@rodrigotudancafernandez1716 күн бұрын
I have the 1.2 16v and though it is slow as a sloth it is a funny little box. Man I love my clio
@ThingsWithEngines9 жыл бұрын
Best quote: "And it would go and bury its instruction manual in the garden!"
@mpa1931 Жыл бұрын
The best Renault ever made IMO.
@IngVasiu4 жыл бұрын
Still driving my Clio II and love it.
@warrior81543 жыл бұрын
What model and engine is it
@IngVasiu3 жыл бұрын
@@warrior8154 1.4 16v 97hp 2005
@warrior81543 жыл бұрын
@@IngVasiu pretty cool. I have a Clio 2 phase 1 1.9dti around 80hp, but i think some hp is lost during the years 😆
@shifterbbr19862 жыл бұрын
I own the 182 it’s been chipped, lowered by 40mm and has a scorpion exhaust system. Sounds great, goes quick and handles like a dream just having some electrical issues at the moment. 🤔
@panther10515 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a reviewer actually telling it like it is.....
@QF_Dan72 Жыл бұрын
The best Renault ever made. Interior looks comfy and the design is cute
@woodsy5559 жыл бұрын
best old school hot hatch ever made ... RiP jer boyo
@ezequielcaetano9512 жыл бұрын
Not all renault cars are unreliable my dad own's a 21 years old renault 19 chamade it still is in pretty good shape and it never gives any problems
@drewlovelyhell4892 Жыл бұрын
Seems like the perfect car to strip out the interior and put in a Momo wheel plus Recarro seats etc.
@darkside1969uk3 жыл бұрын
bought mine on 2005, still got it and often leaves many new cars behind, got a few mods though, and still only done 74k miles
@AhmadAmr985 жыл бұрын
one of the best reviews ever
@extec1014 жыл бұрын
only got a 75hp clio but still its a fun car to go fast in the bends with.
@35dd3 жыл бұрын
Same
@warrior81543 жыл бұрын
Is it a 1.9tdi Clio 2 phase 1?
@extec1013 жыл бұрын
@@warrior8154 its a 2 ph2 1.2L
@warrior81543 жыл бұрын
@@extec101 ah nice, i thought they had 65hp not 75
@extec1013 жыл бұрын
@@warrior8154 nope not the 2003 models its 75HP motors.
@beijingbond5 жыл бұрын
"Badly made". Bullsh1t ! I owned one for 8 years and nothing, nothing, went wrong with it.
@hirootto27714 жыл бұрын
Clio motors are so well made and durable its incredible, thats why i still got one
@warrior81543 жыл бұрын
Engines have no problem at all but other things do sometimes
@legendapoju2215 жыл бұрын
Oh and... The car's ruling the WRC are Citroens. Not BMW's, not Volkswagens, not Audis, not japanese cars. So... that should tell you something And oh Citroens have way less problems in the WRC than any other brand.
@aravindhkumar39765 жыл бұрын
Woah u were here 10 yrs ago
@00-Dima4 жыл бұрын
You still alive?
@qlus4 жыл бұрын
Things look a bit different today
@quillyboyancrew10174 жыл бұрын
Hope ville is well
@legendapoju224 жыл бұрын
@@quillyboyancrew1017 sure thing
@Grumpy_old_Boot14 жыл бұрын
@grathouse54 Considering the GT 500 was only 3 seconds faster around the track than the Clio, while costing more than twice as much, I think you get the point. With the little Clio you don't expect it to be fast, but in a 500 horsepower beast (almost) you expect it to be FAST ! There were reasons why they ragged so much on the GT 500.
@gaminglive89155 жыл бұрын
One of the only proper top gear reviews
@Beco965 жыл бұрын
3:15 you just described my old girlfreind :)
@senate906 жыл бұрын
I love my little 172 wouldn't trade it for anything!
@sucklefuckerhardwick79016 жыл бұрын
Would you trade it for a French maid?
@qwerty127413 жыл бұрын
i dont think jeremy understands that in non electronic seats, that lever still has ratchets for varying degrees of seating angle
@davestar47185 жыл бұрын
Loved this car, have a fiesta St now after years of having a family far and its good but, id go back to the old Clio sport 2ltrs anyday
@melvinmartinali5 жыл бұрын
Ma faforite car of all time next to the clio v6 im glad i own a clio myself having fun whit it everyday ✌🏻
@paulhymans23546 жыл бұрын
I had one. Stunning car with an amazing chassis. Still miss it after moving on to a Megane R26 and then a Megane RS.
@zuttinetnetwork17783 жыл бұрын
7:40 handles better than a reliant robin despite also being on 3 wheels
@mizshellytee15 жыл бұрын
that's because the stig-tros as we know them now didn't start until series 6. this is from series 4 (episode 6).
@katzenrubbl0r15 жыл бұрын
I don't live with my parents anymore. But literally everytime I visit them the car is broken. My '97 Golf 3 on the other hand NEVER made any problems. The only things I had to replace on that car were the battery and the headlamps ;)
@beans51712 жыл бұрын
I find myself wanting one of these
@joshriddick929111 жыл бұрын
EVO magazine tested a 182 and got a 6.6 secs time
@shinryohji4 жыл бұрын
It was the 182 Trophy which is 60Kg lighter because the climate control unit was removed by default.
@MikeBoopz15 жыл бұрын
actually the car is too fwd to drift, but if you wanna slide a fwd car you need to either feint, flick, handbrake, or apply brake after you begin cornering. all which would cause slower cornering.
@chidori72344 жыл бұрын
"Safe as humanly possible" *laughs in Volvo*
@revolver2654 жыл бұрын
Related: the reason why my parents got a certain wagon when I showed up in their life.
@blakeholland15624 жыл бұрын
we had a volvo wagon and the engine just caught fire at the beach
@co.11573 жыл бұрын
The first Renault that I like.
@mavardo9815 жыл бұрын
Top Gear FTW!
@ferrarikangaroo92712 жыл бұрын
I would love one of these in mint condition to sit next to my Mk6 ST150 in the garage. This was an awesome era in motoring, where things were still allowed to be a little bit naughty. Unlike now... sigh.
@IronMan35823 жыл бұрын
I never ever understood how a performance package should give you better tires. Yes please, let me pay more for something that will wear out and now I have to buy new ones, but Joe Consumer 9 times out of 10 won't go for the same ones it came with and will go for the cheapest they can get away with. Fit your cars all with the same tires and make sure it gives enough overhead with the speed rating and load index that people can actually afford to replace them with the identical ones.
@djorksolo85444 жыл бұрын
It's almost as fast as a golf r32, which is not bad when you know the power and price differences.
@tsomeone9504 жыл бұрын
Start was so different from the end. Pure show rather than facts.... Clarkson and the boys are too used to premium products that very few can afford..... Appreciate the car for the market it's pitched at.
@vaiinzzbulletzz149411 жыл бұрын
love this type of clio
@elloello_erm5 жыл бұрын
6:35 animated gif please
@Ellis012345678905 жыл бұрын
Awesome little thing. Regret "upgrading" mine to a 208 GTi.
@virgilthemob12422 жыл бұрын
I couldn't imagine driving this without lowering the suspension and throwing in some anti-roll bars. It might affect the handling, but going one wheel off the ground in every corner isn't something you'd want either.
@TheWorldListens2 жыл бұрын
Its the sign of a good chassis in a front wheel drive car. All the greats cock a leg in the corner.
@SimonBauer7 Жыл бұрын
as long as you drive normally it is fine. i have a 2002 kangoo van which is basically a higher clio and yes it leans but it stays on the ground with all 4 wheels.
@Gudilbert15 жыл бұрын
a pretty good clarckson's opinion from a production car, useful for many many production cars sold around the world at that price (like VW, Nissans, etc.) but i'm still preferring the golf GTI. funnier, stronger, better quality production car
@hogga199415 жыл бұрын
Yeah Topgear rock`s
@evra20204 жыл бұрын
We miss this show so much..
@jerry67119 ай бұрын
Which one is better as a drivers car? By that I mean the handling in purest form possible. This Clio 182 or Toyota MR2 1999-2007?
@OCMElPolo15 жыл бұрын
only .5 second behind a Golf R32? that's quite good!
@michaelhumphries89924 жыл бұрын
good lap time for a power circuit too. If it were a go kart track im sure it would be in the top quarter at least.
@NicoBakkernes7 ай бұрын
Renault clio RS, prachtig correct mooi deze clio prachtig wat een mooie auto 🎉🎉
@quepasatim4 жыл бұрын
I had one and it was epic
@Maaartins3 жыл бұрын
Have a 2005 1.4 Clio and currently thinking of swapping it for this little beast. Still great value!
@204YoungGuitarist20415 жыл бұрын
the uncomfortable one was the first clio (14700 pounds) ...the amazing one was the second clio .(14900 pounds//0