Topping L30 Headphone Amp Review - Everyone else should probably give up!

[@insertaghere]

Heads up to any people watching this now. There's been a not insignificant amount of people reporting these amps blowing up and taking headphones with them in the last few weeks and months. There's been threads on several forums about it. I recommend doing your due diligence before pulling the trigger on them. I was skeptical cause everything has a one off defective unit but this seems to be a pattern.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the post. I've been watching this with interest too and it seems to be more than an isolated 4 cases as originally suggested.

[@lunadan78]

I recommend to anyone who is watching this review, does not buy this model until the situation is completely clarified. Topping has said that they will make the change of the equipment for the new version, however I bought it in December and I still have no answer

[@PassionforSound]

That's no good, Daniel. Have you contacted the retailer? I know of a couple of retailers who've already provided details of how to arrange replacement units so it might be worth following up

[@bobb2494]

@@lunadan78 The issue has been fixed in models with serial numbers starting with 2012 and above. ShenzhenAudio for one has these newer versions. People are getting ones older than 2012 replaced for free.

[@lunadan78]

@@bobb2494 yes, you are right, I just received the fixed model with serial number 2012xxx without any charge, they even did not charge me for the shipment. I’m so happy and thankfully with topping for its great service and support, I’m also gratefully with the seller in AliExpress for the management (Angelears Audio store). I highly recommend this product to anyone

[@rogerIndianKing]

I really appreciate how you address every comment. Hats off to your patience and attitude.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Oddi! I'm actually in the process of trying to work out how to keep this up as the channel grows. I might have to get more selective, but will aim to at least answer all questions (just maybe not reply to plain statements all the time). That said, my intent is to keep responding to everyone for as long as I possibly can

[@dxm5234]

Really like the format of your video reviews, organised into segments we can jump to and the comparisons section is particularly informative

[@PassionforSound]

Glad to hear, DXM. Thanks for letting me know. I've only just started adding the chapter markers, but all future videos will have them where possible/practical

[@pr0gre551ve]

I like the start :) Don't even bother listening what I'm about to say, just go and buy it :)

[@PassionforSound]

Easy decision on this one 😁

[@broccolee8250]

Great concise, structured and straight to the point review! I love how easily it is to change between high and lower headphones and iems - and switch to preamp for a tube amp. My tiny annoyance is how big the power supply is. I have to use different power board with bigger spacing. Also, I wish the same power supply can be used for E30 as well (ie allowing E30 and L30 power to be bridged) When stacked on top of E30, it's easy to accidentally click the E30 sensitive multifunction button when adjusting L30 volume.

[@PassionforSound]

Interesting observation about using them stacked! Sounds like a whoopsie by Topping. The power supply is a monster, but a necessary evil to produce that much power (and with good quality)

[@Kevin.L_]

I've had this stack for a few weeks and listen daily. I've yet to hit the button on the E30 by mistake. I mostly adjust volume with my left hand reaching across the headphone plug. I have no issues with the design and still love the sound.

[@agentm83]

I ordered one before I finished watching the video, cheers for the review!

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome! Enjoy your new amp - it's great.

[@ZensōMusic]

Quite an accomplishment. We’re living in the golden era of headphone amps and DACs.

[@PassionforSound]

Very true!

[@hearingsinus1921]

I actually got the Topping e30 based on your review, and I really was very impressed by it. I thought of combining it with the Schiit modi 3+, since unfortunately the amp which I had at home, an FX audio x6 didn't have RCA ins. BUT first of all the Schiit is always out of stock in Europe, and it also costs 135 euros, almost equivalent to this. I was actually waiting for something, which is similarly priced and maybe performs better. Long story short, I think the waiting has ended, you convinced me! I will be pairing the two Toppings.

[@PassionforSound]

Awesome. I'm sure you'll love it and the combo will stack really nicely.

[@ngtflyer]

I agree 100% with your review and, even though I have had mine for about five weeks now, I enjoyed watching this review. It confirms my experience, though I do not have noise at the low end of volume with the one set of sensitive IEMs that I own. My source is my computer, using a TOSlink connection. Perhaps the lack of electrical contact with the computer has to do with this? I own both the E30 and L30 and use them together. Each time I listen, I am impressed. It is exciting to be in a time where SOTA sound quality is available for such a low price!

[@PassionforSound]

Interesting about the noise not being there. Did you check at very low volume? Maybe it was picking something up from the surrounding environment in my office.

[@ngtflyer]

@@PassionforSound Perhaps. RF and EMI are both weird things and even with the best of shielded cables, can find their way into the signal path. When you mentioned the noise in your interview, I grabbed my IEMs and tried it myself, all the way down to 0 volume. No noise, even on the high gain setting.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for confirming. Must have been EMI/RF noise.

[@chefsteve8381]

Hi i have this amp and it is super, but only issues are- do not remove the plastic covers it makes the labelling on the front very hard to read, and the volume control needs better marker notch, as it is very hard to see in a darkened room, i put a small dot sticker on it. not a major issue but the wall wart is very heavy and the plug not very long. sounds like I'm bitching about this amp but other than these faults this is the best value, clean crystal clear amp, the will drive 90% of headphones, with its 2300mW x 2 @32Ω THD+N

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Steve, thanks for sharing your experiences with the L30. That power supply certainly is a monster, but it's how the L30 can make such magic. Glad you're enjoying it despite the couple of quibbles.

[@socialmeaslesinpartnership1252]

I'm looking for a headphone amp for home studio use. The switching between amp and 'phones is very handy but grafting this into Adams AX7 monitors via Focusrite 212 audio interface (the current h/phone source) using RCA - not sure about that. It seems to be designed just for a stereo listening installation rather than home recording. DACs are getting better and better at small money. It's the doodaas such as balanced in/out that are becoming what one really looks at - apart from the subjectives of presentation. I'm not thrilled either by reports of it blowing up! Way to go! YAY! BOOM!

[@PassionforSound]

There's a new version now (L30 II) that's free from explosions 😉

[@vipernecklampy8773]

So would you say better than Heresy? This is a nice statement that is maybe even better than 789 eh! I'd guess you meant 789 in SE, because on balanced it pushed A LOT of power, and to me it sounded so good. II just ordered one, i was re-purchasing a 789 for just 250euros in Italy, but as i seen your review, already ordered since i have my E30 here never powered on, should be nice pairing.. even if uh, you don't point too much on sound quality lately on some amps lately, but you spoken so clear that this is a must buy. This pushes 1W at 32ohm and a bit more on 16ohm, but it is a great Watt i guess, well I'll hear! :)

[@PassionforSound]

The L30 has plenty of power for any headphone you're likely to be using. Don't be swayed by the power myth. As long as you've got good headroom (i.e. you're not maxing out the volume) you've got enough power with an amp like this. The 789 may put out more power in balanced mode, but I find the L30 objectively more enjoyable due to better depth and a more natural tonal character to the sound.

[@ishmaelk]

I really enjoy your reviews. Keep it up!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Ismael!

[@ishmaelk]

​@@PassionforSound I've always loved the Burson Soloist SL MKII and the comparison took me by such surprise that I'm definitely buying just to find out how this L30 performs.

[@PassionforSound]

Nice! I hope I haven't over-hyped your expectations! 😉

[@ishmaelk]

@@PassionforSound Well, I received it today. I've only used it for an hour or so (after letting it warm up for around 5 hours, although I doubt it would make much difference). And I must admit the L30 is impressive for the price. I see what you mean when you compare it to the Soloist. There's a resemblance in the smoothness, but the Soloist is much richer in its tone and analogue-like sound. However, the L30 feels clearer. I'd still prefer the Soloist because of the soundstage and superior imaging. But at this price, I think the L30 has a spectacular performance. I think I'll buy the E30 to have a nice little stack.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you're liking it and I agree that the Soloist may still have an edge, but you're going to have a wonderful compact stack there!

[@m3g4byte]

Would love to see this compared with the Drop THX One instead of the 789. The One has a closer price point, possibly better -12dB gain setting for IEMs, possibly lower hiss when using IEMs? And a more substantial enclosure to boot.

[@PassionforSound]

I think when I reviewed this, the One want released. I also don't have the L30 anymore so I can't help with that - sorry!

[@snowrang3r657]

Crazy an amp this cheap basically measures at the electrical limits of noise and distortion. Clearly other more expensive amps have other advantages that don’t directly relate to measurements we have but this is very cool none the less. What’s the saying? “Good audio is getting cheap and cheap audio is getting good”

[@PassionforSound]

So true!

[@potatofrench3095]

You are right, but this is why it was also so interesting to hear Jason Stoddard's opinion about measurments. He said, that good measurments don't necessarily translate into the best sound, because we don't measure everything, and also (most probably) we cannot measure the likes of one person. I have the Topping e30 and despite the fact, that I know that it measures wonderfuly, I must say that I am not super impressed by it. It is good, but for my taste for example the sound is not natural enough, it has some artifical timbre to it. I know it is just taste! But it was good to hear the same thing from Jason, who is clearly an expert, and justify my doubts towards choosing a product just because it measures well. Nonetheless this video is superb, and and still I am thinking to really try out the Topping stack to hear how they complement each other.

[@PassionforSound]

That's exactly the key. Getting timbre and realism goes beyond clean distortion figures. Transients (as Jason alluded to) seem to be important and we can't really measure what happens when a complex waveform is applied to the circuit, but that's really what matters in terms of how a DAC or amp reproduces real music (i.e. not a simple sine wave)

[@dagnisnierlins188]

@@potatofrench3095 with what you power it, usb port/phone charger /linear power supply?

[@potatofrench3095]

@@dagnisnierlins188 Dear Dagnis, I tried it with a bunch of phone chargers at start, and from those the apple iPad charger worked the best for me. Now I got the iFi adapter, as suggested by many reviews, and I must say that any noise is literally gone, it is clinically clean. (I like this, some might not) However I didn't notice improvement in sound stage and timbre. Maybe I have to try again switching back and fort.

[@andrewmorgan5795]

I have the L30 and E30 and there’s nothing to complain about whatsoever running this to preamp my desktop setup XTZ power amp.. I have an issue with the headphone socket not quite fitting the jack but as I hardly use headphones as my nearfield speakers hit the mark. I think I have spent well for sure!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Andrew, that's interesting about the headphone socket. You've definitely made a good choice of pre-amp though. I'm using mine for my active speakers.

[@andrewmorgan5795]

Passion for Sound in that case can I have your Hugo TT2 if you don’t need ???it!!!

[@PassionforSound]

Haha. The TT2 is feeding the L30 for my actives 😁

[@mr20]

From the AP evaluation, the score of L30 has surpassed A90

[@PassionforSound]

True. I think the balanced output of the A90 may still sound slightly better though, but it's very close and maybe due to other factors like cable differences, etc.

[@joshbritton3268]

If more power is needed would the 789 using balanced still be recommended or is the extra cost of the topping A90 worth it in your opinion ? Looking forward too you Ares ii review, thinking it would go nice with a 789/A90

[@PassionforSound]

Unlikely you'll need more power, but if you do decide to upgrade, the A90 is clearly better than the 789 and would be my recommendation.

[@joshbritton3268]

@@PassionforSound Okay I'll keep that in mind, thanks

[@ExSkyCyclePilot]

I'm on the verge of ordering this, and the E30, but that electronic noise at low volumes concerns me. I'll use this with my HiFiMan Arya headphones, which aren't that sensitive, but I also will use it with fairly sensitive AKG K371 headphones.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Michael, 2 things worth noting: 1) I've had others report no noise so this may have been some induced noise in my particular setup. 2) the noise is only an issue on IEMs. Even sensitive headphones will require more volume and therefore the noise will be easily gone

[@ExSkyCyclePilot]

@@PassionforSound Okay, many thanks! For the money, this should be a decent setup for the Arya headphones, although the advertised power ratings for the L30 are a bit optimistic - you need a non-standard 3 Vrms in to reach the advertised numbers. With the standard 2 Vrms in, about one watt RMS out per channel is more like it, but that should still be plenty.

[@christiangale691]

Another great review thank you. I have the E30 going into an amp and speakers. I run the E30 in DAC only mode. Notice that you said that with the A90 better to use the integral pre amp rather then an additional preamp. Would you say the same about the L30? Many thanks and again great review.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Christian, yes, I found the addition of the extra device in the chain reduced the sound quality compared to a direct connection to the DAC. However, if you're using the L30 as a headphone amp and pre-amp then it will be much more convenient to stick with your current setup and the difference isn't worth the hassles of switching outputs all the time IMO.

[@christiangale691]

@@PassionforSound thank you. No I do not intend using headphones, I was thinking that a dedicated preamp might bring more detail especially at lower volumes. But from what you have said the quality could be worse.

[@PassionforSound]

Yeah, I personally would keep the signal path as simple as possible. I haven't directly tested the D30 with/without a pre-amp, but simpler is generally better.

[@christiangale691]

@@PassionforSound thank you

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome

[@Ahmed-yx3cc]

I have S.M.S.L SU 9 DAC and i need AMP under 200$ do you recommend me to buy Topping L30? Very nice review ❤️ Your awesome keep going ❤️

[@o.f.ftrack3444]

Even though I have aspirations for something more expensive(ex...d90/a90), I'm wondering if the L30/E30 stack is a superior option to the magnius/modius, heresy/modi, or ifi. I've been struggling with making decision in that regard since I wouldnt be upgrading for a while no matter what I choose.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi OT, I've got the Modius here for review now so can compare the L30 with it, but I don't have the E30 so I'll probably use Modius to feed both as a test. Review should be up soonish. Stay tuned... 😉

[@snowrang3r657]

@@PassionforSound For the Modius have you compared SE to BAL? They're actually run by different OPAMPs so they sound different. I've only used BAL but from reading on forums people seem to say BAL has better bass texture and sounds less like the typical AKM DAC "velvet sound". But the SE output retains some of that typical AKM character and some actually prefer the SE outputs for poorly recorded stuff.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi SR, I haven't done thorough testing just yet - only a brief comparison. Thanks for letting me know about the outputs though! I always like to test for differences, but now I'm extra interested.

[@musicxxa6678]

Comparison to Zen Can would be nice. L30 $140, Zen Can $150. Direct competitor. Zen Can have more power and balanced output. Discrete design with class a components? (shares some components with Pro ican). Budget products are great these days.

[@songboek]

I would like them going head to head as well. The Zen Can is really good!

[@PassionforSound]

I'll see if I can get my hands on one for review

[@comradestrawberry1876]

I got a Amazon $150 gift card from my company, bought this and WOW it is good. Do you suggest getting the E30, or keep using my Grace Design SDAC that's part of an amp?

[@PassionforSound]

Nice choice! Hard to say because I haven't heard the SDAC - sorry I can't help more on that one

[@matttracks6305]

Beginner here. I have purchased the L30 but it didnt come with any RCA input cables and I'm wondering what my best option is to plug it into my laptop? Could you recommend something specific please? Many thanks - I love your reviews!

[@matttracks6305]

is it any old RCA to 3.5mm jack cable?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Matt, you can use any basic 3.5mm to RCA cable. You'll find that you can get better sound from your laptop by also using something like a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro without spending a huge amount of money. If you go down that path, a slightly better cable will also help. A basic AudioQuest cable (3.5mm to RCA) is a nice option.

[@goldmember888]

Sounds like a steal! How does it compare to the schiit magni and heresy? I think that they're similarly priced?

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard Magni 3, but enjoyed this more than the Heresy and perhaps even more than the Magnius!

[@ranelime]

Thank you for another great review. Did you evaluate this as a pre-amp ? If so, how does it compare vs balanced pre of the A90? Thanks again!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Astro, I did try this as a pre-amp, but only against the SE output of the A90 because my active speakers have SE input only. It's quite comparable to the A90 SE, but I can't confirm vs the balanced

[@ranelime]

@@PassionforSound thank you for the reply and the quality content general!

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome! 🙂

[@9304br]

There is a upgraded version of this, L30 Mk 2, Hopefully you will review it and compare it to this one

[@PassionforSound]

Not long to wait! 😁

[@9304br]

@@PassionforSound Thanks you do some great reviews.

[@PassionforSound]

Thank you!

[@wengezhu1]

Excellent review! I was about to purchase Topping E30/L30 stack for my Hifiman Sundara. However, from DMS's review on L30, he think L30 may not be powerful enough to fully drive Sundara. What do you think?

[@PassionforSound]

I think he doesn't understand power and headphones ☹️ The Sundaras need 4V and 104mA to reach dangerously loud volumes - that's 400mW of power. The L30 can output 2.3W (2300mW) of power to 32 ohms. Just to completely confirm, I've hooked the Sundaras up to the L30 and I'm listening now at moderate volume using the lowest gain setting with the volume control at exactly 12 o'clock. The L30 has buckets of power for the Sundaras (and it sounds great with them too!)

[@wengezhu1]

@@PassionforSound Thank you so much for the confirmation!

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome!

[@yasserouacha6299]

@@PassionforSound i appreciate your reviews. Please tell me what's best for Sundara l30 or heresy? Thank you bro.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Yasser, I don't have the Heresy here to compare, but I'd choose the L30

[@RandomShites]

Hello! nice review! Do you think the L30 would be able to drive the Beyer T1 gen 2 (600 ohms impedance) to its full potential? Cheers

[@PassionforSound]

Hi RS, yes, the L30 will be just fine with the T1.2

[@RandomShites]

@@PassionforSound thank you very much!! Have a great week

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure. You too!

[@gerardw.7468]

Do you think the L30 E30 stack combo would be good for the likes of the Hifiman Sundara or Dt880s? I find that the Sundara's for 32ohms is actually quite difficult to drive fully.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Gerard, it should work really nicely for both. I've specifically tested the L30 with the Sundara and it drives them with no trouble.

[@mikecoshan3752]

Brilliant and informative video, I have an JDS Labs Atom Amp paired with a Topping D50s, would it radically improve my sound quality if I paired the D50s with the L30 instead of the Atom?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Mike, I haven't heard the Atom to say - sorry!

[@mikecoshan3752]

Passion for Sound no problem, hopefully if you pick up one in the future I’d love to hear your opinion on it. Though the L30 seems amazing value

[@PassionforSound]

@@mikecoshan3752 I did reach out to JDS previously and they were very approachable, but weren't seeking any reviews at the time. Perhaps in the future or maybe I'll find one secondhand...

[@yavormoskov]

I have them both. The sound signature is almost the same between the Atom and L30 but not identical. If you buy it just for headphones the difference is very, very small. The biggest difference is the preamp function. The Preamp to speakers on L30 is 3 times better than on the Atom, it is not a fair game even. My Polk audio LSIM703 speakers came to life with L30 (Topping D50s DAC to L30 amp to Emotiva power amplifier). Music, movies, games, it does not matter - the speakers sound so much better, even brilliant. I also own Burson Fun amp and as preamp is good but still not the same as L30. I even tried it with active speakers and the same result, the L30 is great in this department.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing, Yavor!!

[@wassimalouach3243]

Another great review . Can’t wait for the Aune X8 Magic review ?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Wassim, I don't have any immediate plans for that one and the pipeline is currently full through till Christmas, but maybe in the new year I can delve into some Aune gear.

[@saviolajh]

Whoa, sounds like a must have budget amp has appeared! Topping does it yet again 🤔

[@PassionforSound]

Yep. It's brilliant. I normally give away most gear that's donated for reviews, but this one's staying with me as the future reference against which all budget amps will be measured

[@tomazzaman8472]

JDS Labs Atom dethroned by Topping's superior build quality. The Atom is also very nice performance-wise, but feels cheap.

[@PassionforSound]

I still haven't heard the Atom so that's interesting to read your comment about its build quality

[@saviolajh]

@@PassionforSound so basically the E30 and L30 stack will be the endgame for 99% of the headphone using population? 😉

[@PassionforSound]

I'm not saying it SHOULD be considered endgame, but I think you're right that it WILL be considered endgame for many. :-) There's still significant improvements to be had with better gear, but the gap is always getting smaller between budget and high-end sound

[@jamieolson766]

Will this amp power a beyerdynamic dt 770 pro 250 ohms decently? I have an RME Babyface, older soundcard, but it's not good enough for those headphones, so I wanted to run the headphones output from the babyface to another amp.

[@PassionforSound]

It will do just fine with those headphones 🙂

[@ExSkyCyclePilot]

Does the volume knob control the volume of the RCA line outputs when in preamp mode? This is an absolute must when using a headphones amp with powered studio speakers.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Michael, yes. I'm glad to say that it does 🙂

[@ExSkyCyclePilot]

@@PassionforSound Very good. Thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome

[@bigjt37]

Which one sounds better to your ears; this one or Asgard 3, in your opinion? Great review BTW ☺️

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Joshua. Leave that with me. I'm not setup for that test right now, but the review is coming soon for the Asgard 3 and I'll be sure to compare these two then. Hope that timing is ok

[@bigjt37]

@@PassionforSound Oh, okay thanks 🙂 yeah that'll be great

[@strikefire2000]

Apologies in advance if this is a bad question, but I was just wondering if it would add any sort of noticeable differences to how my setup currently sounds? With regards to enhancing the clarity of the treble perhaps or such? I’m using an HD6xx, powered by the FX Audio Dac X6, playing Tidal Hifi. Not that I have any complaints with this dac/amp, however I’ve seen some reviews of better amps / dedicated dacs truly bringing out the best in the headphones - for that reason, I’ve been looking into purchasing the D10s and this L30 as the amp.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Mico, I don't know the FX, but I wouldn't recommend the D10S and L30 as an upgrade. The E30 and L30 perhaps, but I don't know how much of an upgrade it will be. You'd probably be better served by saving a little more and making a slightly bigger step I think. The HD6XX are able to perform far better than you're currently hearing them. They're no doubt sounding great now, but I just wanted to be clear that if you want the most out of them, you're best to step a little higher if you can.

[@strikefire2000]

Passion for Sound hey thanks so much for that reply! Got it, will probably try to look into the market for what else there is.

[@PassionforSound]

Do you have a budget in mind? I might be able to save you some time searching out options.

[@strikefire2000]

Passion for Sound currently, my range is set to around 180-200 USD. Would you have any recommendations given that?

[@PassionforSound]

I'd probably go for the E30/L30 combo if you can stretch to it. These guys have them on special in their Ensembles section: tinyurl.com/Apos-P4S (if you're in America that is)

[@Aaronbeaumontmusic]

I just got a pair of low impedance headphones (Slate VSX, 37 ohms) for mixing purposes - would it make sense to get an L30 amp to drive those, as the headphone amps in my audio interfaces are geared more for higher impedance cans (which can apparently produce distortion / nonlinearities in lower impedance phones)? Would this kind of amp also potentially improve monitor performance (Focal Solo 6be at home currently)? Thanks for any guidance!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Aaron, I'd try the audio interface first and see if your happy, but my experience with them suggests that a dedicated amp like the L30 will give a significant quality improvement regardless of the impedance issues. (I.e. your interface might work just fine, but you will get improved sound no matter what with the L30 in almost all cases) As for the Monitors, that's a tougher one to answer. My expectation is that you will likely hear an improvement, but I'm far from certain on this one.

[@Aaronbeaumontmusic]

@@PassionforSound Awesome, thanks! That makes a lot of sense - I’m leaning toward picking one up, if only to maximize headphone performance, since I wind up working in cans so much anyway. Much appreciated! 👍

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome 🙂

[@hywelevans6848]

Great review 👍 Will you be reviewing the Topping A50s?

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Hywel. No plans for the A50 just yet and I want to feature some other brands a bit too, but maybe in the future...

[@aussietrix1550]

Hey man, wondering how you opened and removed the circuit board from the l30 shell. Just asking as I'm trying to open up and replace the caps on my e30..

[@PassionforSound]

I can't remember the exact steps, but from memory it's just a matter of removing all the screws so the back panel can come off and then you slide the board out. Not sure how the front panel is connected on E30 though so do be careful 🙂

[@aussietrix1550]

@@PassionforSound mm thanks. I read somewhere that the e30 front glass panel has to be taken off to access the front screws. Oof

[@PassionforSound]

That doesn't sound like any fun at all

[@Marcus-bt7re]

Hey, I am new to audio and have just bought the lp3 turntable, the turntable only gives you 2 RCA output cables. I only want to listen through headphones when using the turntable. will this work for what I want?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Marcus, welcome to the wonderful world of audio! If your table has an integrated pre-amp (phono sound levels are otherwise very low) then yes, the L30 will be great. Just check the specs/features of your turntable to be sure.

[@marcosr2]

Just out of curiosity, does this L30 amp work well with speakers? have enough strength?

[@PassionforSound]

It's not designed for speakers and I wouldn't try it myself

[@TheDredFurst]

I was wondering if the L30 would be enough to power a pair of Audeze LCD2 classics? At 70 ohms the Audezes have a recommended power level of 250mWs. Given that the L30 lists 280mW at 300 ohms surely that would be sufficient? (specs and recommendations pulled from the addicted to audio website listings)

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Stuart, the L30 will do just fine with the LCD-2s for power. You can get better max performance with better amps (not more powerful, just better), but it's a great start 🙂

[@TheDredFurst]

@@PassionforSound appreciate your time mate, thanks heaps. Trying to wrap my head around this all as a novice 👍

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure. Happy to help when I can

[@getbornxcv]

Does it have CE safety certification?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi T S, I have no idea - sorry!

[@GeoBallas]

Do you think the L30/E30 combo is powerful enough to drive my DT770 Pros 250Ohm? I am looking to buy an amp as I am left with my old but trusted M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. I have also a pair of Genelecs 1029a that might hook up later.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi George, it will be completely fine. The L30 runs my DT880 250 ohm with no problems

[@GeoBallas]

@@PassionforSound thanks for the prompt reply! Cheers

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome 🙂

[@smithedits]

Hey. What would you recommend for a 250 ohm headset(Beyerdynamic 770 dt pro 250 ohm). I have been looking at MOTU M2 amp, but I don´t if l30 can handle 250ohm alone?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Smith, the L30 is just fine with a 250 ohm load. I used it with DT880 250 ohm version and it was plenty loud enough with heaps of room to spare (and not even in high gain mode)

[@smithedits]

@@PassionforSound Thanks for the answer. Im still worried about what I have read about the amps exploding. Would it be better to buy the MOTU M2? Do you think it can handle the 770dt?

[@PassionforSound]

Audio interfaces are very rarely (never?) good headphone amps. I use the excellent Scarlett 2i2 but it's headphone output is dreadful. Stick with the L30 as newly purchased units have protection built in to prevent the damage to headphones. If you're still not comfortable, the Schiit Asgard 3 is a brilliant choice of amp if you can stretch the budget a bit.

[@smithedits]

@@PassionforSound sorry for asking this much and I do really appreciate your help alot. Yes I do have the stretch to buy that amp. Which one do you consider the best and most reliable? And you would not consider MOTU 2 a good headphone amp?

[@PassionforSound]

Asgard 3 will be the best choice of amp. The MOTU M2 is an audio interface, not a dedicated headphone amp. It won't perform anywhere near as well as something like the Asgard 3 in my experience.

[@topaz5960]

I've a HD800S so an L30 would still be preferable over the THX 789 in my case?

[@PassionforSound]

I think the L30 is marvelous and I like that it's a little warmer in tone than the 789. Both are very good, but I'd choose the L30. In fact I did - I sold my 789 after getting the L30. I've ended up reverting to the A90, but only for convenience having multiple outputs, inputs, etc.

[@topaz5960]

@@PassionforSound does the balanced output of the A90 sound better than the SE of the L30? I'm using a 800s I have balanced cable as well? But is there truly a sonically difference? If there isn't I'll just for the L30. Thanks looking forward to your reply.

[@PassionforSound]

I believe it's slightly better than the L30, but it's not a huge difference so it really depends on whether you feel that anything is missing from what you're currently hearing. It might be worth watching my D90/A90 review for further confirmation of my testing of the SE vs balanced outputs as well just in case I'm misremembering what I heard. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ68aGqLl5hnZq8

[@TerenceGrier]

This vs the Schiit Heresy?? Which would you rather have ?

[@PassionforSound]

I'd take the L30 in that matchup, but ideally I'd spend a little more and get the Schiit Asgard 3

[@HR-fw5qp]

What would be a better stack, l30 and e30 vs schiit heresy and modi?

[@PassionforSound]

Great question and a tough one to answer without hearing them side-by-side. I think the L30 is comfortably better than the Heresy though (I don't particularly like the Heresy's edginess) so I'd go Topping.

[@PakoPnF]

Did you ever try the ZEN CAN? Is this one better?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Chris, unfortunately no. I can't get my hands on iFi easily without buying it and I can only afford so much gear at any one time.

[@PakoPnF]

Well its sad. I would like very mutch to ear your coments on that. Maybe some time. Great work btw

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Cristophe, fingers crossed I can help out

[@nischalpaudel8394]

I just bought the dt990s, would these be a good amp to drive the headphones with?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Nischal, yes it should work nicely with those

[@nischalpaudel8394]

@@PassionforSound thanks for the prompt reply, I'll be sure to grab these :)

[@ChenOs]

Can I use it with a computer? I see no USB input....

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Chen, the L30 is an amp only. You'd need something like the matching E30 to go with it for USB connection and decoding.

[@ChenOs]

@@PassionforSound Thanks you. I never understood why some people go for separates (with headphones use) when we have great amp/dacs like the ifi ZEN dac.

[@PassionforSound]

No problems. The main benefit of separates is that you can upgrade part without having to buy the whole. For example, if you had the E30/L30 stack, I'd upgrade the DAC long before the amp so could get notably better sound for

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

I currently have the e30 with a magni3 heresy, do you say its worth upgrading the amp?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Pepe, yes. I think you can get a bit more from the E30 than what the Heresy will reveal. Even a small step like the Asgard 3 will bring benefits I think

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@PassionforSound thank you. I think i will get the L30 since i do not need much power for my cans and the range might allow some iems to work too.

[@PassionforSound]

Sure. I would still recommend the Asgard 3 for this (incl. IEMs), but the L30 is nice too.

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@PassionforSound just ordered the Asgard 3 in silver, thanks again for the recommendation. I haven't bought a headphone in 15 years, still have senn hd600 yaxi pad and a 15 year old sony 900st yaxi pad. Hope this dac/amp stack last me as long.

[@PassionforSound]

No reason it shouldn't! And I'm going to review some Yaxi pads soon. 🙂 Enjoy your new amp!

[@jakegoodboyy]

Are there any better amp that has output switch?

[@PassionforSound]

You mean the pre-amp switch? There are quite a few. Schiit Jotunheim 2, Singxer SA-1 and Burson Soloist 3XP are three of my favourites.

[@myfrostycore]

​@@PassionforSound I think the point you raised about having a pre-amp switch on the front panel is extremely relatable. It's a huge quality of life feature. Appreciate your suggestions on the jotunheim, singxer and burson soloist - however are there options that are similarly priced (or at least closer) to the L30 that you would recommend?

[@PassionforSound]

I've got a review of the SMSL HO200 coming up soon. It's a really solid amp and quite well priced. I think that's the best option beyond the L30 and before the Jotunheim 2.

[@Farazao]

I'm so sad I couldn't like its timbre. I ended up selling mine, as I much preffered the timbre of the smsl sp200 (which I know is an amp you dislike). It's frustrating because I could hear improvement in dynamics and a more holographic image toghether with tighter bass. I use to have a dx7pro and its amplification with the original op amps has the same timbre and I ended up selling that unit too. Maybe if I want the impovement over the smsl I would have to try some more expensive alternative. :(

[@PassionforSound]

Interesting. What was it you didn't like? A touch to warm / rich?

[@Farazao]

@@PassionforSound I like warm / rich. Whtat I dislike about the topping timbre the the somewhat mufled notes, to my perception. I've told this to a lot of people and apparently I'm the only one who's perceiving it so it my be really personal taste plus the way my brain interpret the sound.

[@Farazao]

But trying to explain it is like the attack, sustain, decay and realease of the toppings is managed in a way it's not sharp but neither "liquid". I hear it like the attack was fast, the note is sustained longer (so it's not sharp) but the release is ultra fast (and so there is no reverbaration of the harmonics either). The result is that acoustic guitars (for example) often sound as the player was hiting notes mufling slightly with the right hand (exagerating here). If you want to take the time to experience yourself try it with the same chain as me: Bifrost 2 > amp > Focal Clear and listen with the THX and with the L30 to Natalia Lafourcade's "Son Amores (That's Amore)". You'll notice the guitars sound dryer on L30, I think. And even if not it is an incredible recording highly recommend anyways!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the explanation, Victor - I'll take a listen... I think I already understand what you're describing with the difference between 789 and L30, but I'm keen to try the test you've suggested

[@Farazao]

@@PassionforSound hey man, I saw a really good deal on a Topping A90. Just wanted to ask you if the sound is really the same sound signature than L30, even on balanced, because if it is I'd pass, but if it's considerably more refined I'd try it. Thank's in advance!

[@Ed-rp8hw]

Can it power hd 6xx well

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Edward, yes, it works very well with most headphones on the market (incl. HD6XX)

[@Ed-rp8hw]

@@PassionforSound thanks for the response

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome!

[@kjg_95]

How does it pair with the hd 560s?

[@PassionforSound]

I don't think I had the two at the same time, but it would be an excellent combo

[@kjg_95]

@@PassionforSound will the zen be a overkill or should I just get a btr5?

[@PassionforSound]

No, the Zen will give you better performance for sure

[@kjg_95]

@@PassionforSound got it. Thanks!

[@angelbenitez8035]

do you think the L30 is better than The Schiit Heresy?

[@PassionforSound]

I personally prefer the L30's tonality. The Heresy sounded a bit edgy to me compared to the L30 (not that I had them at the same time, but I did compare them to similar products)

[@angelbenitez8035]

@@PassionforSound thanks for the video and the reply boss

[@PassionforSound]

Anytime! 🙂

[@AmodSandeepa]

Wondering how they compare with the JDS Atom?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Amod, I'd like to compare the Atom too, but I haven't yet had the chance to try one.

[@DarioCruzII]

On sale at amazon for $120 guys. Go go go!

[@ThankYou_AV]

Good channel

[@PassionforSound]

Thank you!

[@Poludioskroz]

L30 or Fiio K5 Pro?

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard the K5 Pro to comment - sorry!

[@Poludioskroz]

@@PassionforSound Hope you will do the review soon.

[@PassionforSound]

I'll see what I can arrange

[@bobb2494]

K5 Pro is a dac/amp combo so they're not really the same. That said, amp wise the L30 outperforms far better amps than the K5 Pro.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the input, Bob

[@andrepoon]

I think you are right... how is anyone else going to be able to compete with these chinese amps and dacs?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Andre, I'm sure someone will come up with something and there are definitely better products out there when you spend a bit more.

[@sauravsubramanian1413]

This or Magni heresy, or Magni 3+?

[@PassionforSound]

Tough call. I'd take the L30 over the Heresy every time, but I don't know about the Magni 3+

[@pauljordan3828]

DoEd anyone think this would be better than an arcam rhead ?

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard the Arcam to comment - sorry!

[@pauljordan3828]

@@PassionforSound appreciate the reply , great reviews

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome. Glad you like them! 🙂

[@alexandertkatchev6552]

I had L30 for 7 month and just replace it with 789. 789 is much, much better. L30 is a budget amplifier with a budget sound. It sounds flat and boring, no any PRaT and soundstage. The detail level is very low too. It is very noticeable on live records. For example Mozart - Die Zauberflote [Lorengar, Deutekom, Burrows - Solti] (1969-2008) (3 CD) - DECCA sounds terrible, no any air, obertons, details and space.

[@PassionforSound]

It's been a while since I owned the 789, but it's fair enough that it might outperform the L30 given the cost of the 789 when it was originally released.

[@jasonemanuel9070]

Topping l30 or schiit modi 3 to go with my magni 3+ great channel.

[@PassionforSound]

I've not compared them directly, but they'll be on about the same level so I'd go for the Schiit to keep things looking good 🙂

[@jasonemanuel9070]

@@PassionforSound Thank you for replying that's great. After that I will get the loki,then I'm done. Sounds so familiar with this hobby🤣

[@PassionforSound]

Yep, good luck with that 🤣

[@mr20]

THX AAA 789 is top 10, A90 and L30 are Top3

[@stevenewtons7873]

I received this e30 yesterday. In Dac mode, the sound is excellent and comparable to my Cambridge 840c CD player. But the unit went dead after two hours of use. Therefore, I do not recommend to buy it.

[@semtexxl]

I don't know but it seems that each time topping is in the question it just gets hyped as best thing ever with no flaws and next best thing to sliced bread. It just seems like another hype-train which will disappear like many others before. Also the topping strategy to push producs based only on better measurments on each new product from the last gen is IMO contraproductive for their own bussiness. They will eventually run out of headroom for “osciloscope reviews” which is the only card they have right now and then pushing new products with the same set of numbers for much higher price will be like denying their own basic strategy which is: cheap dac which is only better because of numbers way beyond your actual treshold of hearing and the dacs are all the same..Or in other words why I should buy higher priced dac which may perform worse than their lower tier offerings from the past based on numbers?!. Is there anything more to the sound than just 4 or 5 numbers from the machine test... Decide for your self. Just my two cents. BTW I love your reviews. Keep them coming.

[@chefsteve8381]

Thankfully some things never change that's why tube amps are still around!!!!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi semtexxl, I agree that Topping keep pumping out new, better measuring products, but they're already getting a bit stale for me. I would still recommend the E30/L30 combo and the D90/A90 combo in certain situations, but there is a sameness to their DACs that prevents me being really excited about them like I am about something like the Qutest, Ares II or Bifrost 2. I think Topping provide great products for people that aren't looking for that last bit of magic in the sound, but there are other brands going beyond.

[@PassionforSound]

Yay for tubes!

[@ADesertVoice]

I honestly think a lot of these reviewers are getting paid to promote and push specific products like this. I mean just a couple months ago the best thing ever was the THX AAA brands right? Now its Topping/SMSL? What bullshit. I don't think most people can hear these supposed "differences" and I've heard it with many different systems. Honestly, just stick to something that has good reviews and if you like it keep it. Never mind the hype train.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Peter, I agree that the hype train is a real problem. I do my best to avoid the hype train approach, but sometimes (like the L30) a product actually IS very good. You won't find me raving about all of the gear I review (checkout my SMSL SP200 review)

[@jeffreyjaye7875]

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[@ahmed.selim.79]

I have the Topping D50s Dac Does it make sense to pair with Topping L30 Amp? Thanks!

[@PassionforSound]

It will work great with the L30 and the L30 is an excellent amp