Tornado F.3 In War Thunder : A Basic Review

Checking out the Tornado F.3 in War Thunder. It wasn't easy, but I made it work.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro & History
02:31 Systems & Weapons
04:21 Flight Performance
06:39 Combat Tactics
09:19 Miscellaneous
10:34 Conclusions

[@geekadeuzan2103]

Tims' reviews are infinitely better than others'. Everyone just goes "this plane is straight up unplayable and trash don't bother flying it" while tim actually does tell you how to make it work, because most planes can work even if it's hard

[@Rorywizz]

That's what i'm saying, I've actually been doing pretty well with the tornado so far

[@jojobama]

the reviews are always good but this plane is not, ever, in any way, competitive

[@vedeved5246]

The simple reason is because the other cc are much better at the game. You guys are happy because you can "make work" an aircraft equipped with aim9L and sparrows. Yes of course the player base sucks so much that you are gonna kill lots of morons. But what do you do when the ennemy has a brain and use counter-measure ? You die because the airframe is crap. When you don't die often (wich those cc do) it is super-frustrating to die because of your airframe. And that's why they call it crap because it is frustrating to play when you are good at the game. But once again you guys that die early and are happy to kill other morons that don't know how to flare don't see late game very often, therefore you guys can't understand, you are satisfied with a kill or two and not be dead at the end of the game for once. Those cc are not, they want to carry. Very disapointed to see so many people not understand the point of view of the best players.

[@yaodai2459]

With larger maps and more players each match, Tornado F3 might work in this patch due to the amount of fuel and missiles it carries.

[@Cythil]

When you talk about the best players out there, the whole game takes on a different characteristic. The best players take an underperforming plane and simply takes average players to town. But of course, In a fight against equals every little edge matters. Tims review on the plane, I feel is accurate. This plane can do well when you fly it towards it strength, and you attack average pilots. And you do not have to be some to tier ace pilot to do so in War Thunder. But you need to be competent enough to know what the plane is good at. If you go by the performance of the best pilots vs the best pilots on equal engagement, then you always end up with 1 or 2 meta planes. Planes that simply have an edge vs all other options out there. This may change a bit if you're doing more complex fights, where planes may actually get roles to do in a fight. Where is not a sticky 1 vs 1 engagement. But the more pure you make the fight, the harder it is to have an "off meta" plane. For me, it is pointless to argue about those edge cases with the best pilots, or else there would just be one plane everyone flew. It is like chess. You have White and Black. On first inspection, it may seem both sides are equal. But white players who always goes first also outperform the black players with measurable margin. Yet without black there is no game. So yeah. I get pretty annoyed with people trashing a vehicle in War Thunder when I can do pretty well with it. Yes. I am not the best pilot, and I am not the worst one ether. But I can have fun with those off meta planes and that is enough for me. And personally I rather see the best pilots rather than trashing a plane, explain how you need to use it to get the most out of it. That also of course include telling people why it does not fit in most combat situation. But a skill, people also know how to set up situations where you can shine in my book.

[@J39444]

Just the review I have been waiting for! No matter how many War Thunder KZbinrs I watch I never trust what they say until Tim says it!

[@jaummm2854]

Totally agree

[@oluwatosinopawoye5695]

I agree

[@jordanpayne2213]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@masterclips7657]

Bro is the Walter white of planes🫡

[@crimsonmoongaming4512]

"just run dump missiles everywhere and get the *fuck* out" the best line

[@Tank_Facts]

Spookston's next video: "Every time you spawn in you have a chance of having no radar and a concrete ballast instead."

[@TimsVariety]

I saw an interesting comment a couple of years ago about how lucky we are that gaijin doesn't try to model equipment failure into the game - like, if you don't use some monetized feature to keep your maintenance/repair cycle going that you have some chance that parts of your plane will fail mid-match from poor maintenance.

[@Farming-Technology]

Finally someone who isn't surprised that a spanner is a bad hammer..

[@black_thunder2159]

Tim giving honest reviews, advice on how to play, and doesn't just shit on the user & the vehicle. truly the best.

[@black_thunder2159]

really feels like a review that came from someone who actually loves military aviation instead of just playing for the sake of competitiveness which i bet he is.

[@sidbell1747]

Exactly, particularly the user part. I feel that some content creators enjoy telling people the vehicle they've been excited for is really bad

[@black_thunder2159]

​@@sidbell1747 ikr, its sorta ironic as well, when Tim said in the video "the only way I've been able to get this jet to work.." is literally every other content creator, except Tim.. cuz Tim already tried everything (that he could), while they just used it as dogfighters, all the time, then call it garbage..

[@aker1993]

If you unlock and flown the Lightning F6 its so easy to fly the Tornado F3 because of similar tactics. In the end the Tornado F3 is an interceptor.

[@lafosh7234]

Having it a great…but in the current meta…it’s absolutely garbage in just about every aspect

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

I've almost unlocked the F6, would you say the play style is alot like the F104s?

[@xivkya6882]

​@@ZeSgtSchultz the f104 Flys way better and is faster

[@aker1993]

@@lafosh7234 bro i said interceptor not air superiority fighter why many people conflating those two things also when people said meta good for you now let me enjoy my Tornado F3 and Lightning F6 Interceptor role if you want to rave at me get bent.

[@lafosh7234]

@@aker1993 I didn’t disagree with you to begin with…idk why you took that as a jab I was just stating that in the current meta..it’s garbage…to do decent you have to bait and steal teammates kills..atleast what I seen Soo far..the radar is also lacking from irl reports and the super temps..they just mid at best tbh..gajin fucked up adding it 2 years later than when it should’ve been here

[@quicksilver-vv768]

Tim still making exactly what our community needs, thanks again brother

[@DeviousDumplin]

Tim is the only youtuber I trust to give me an informed opinion instead of a useless hottake. You are doing the yeoman's work Tim. Thank you!

[@bvsveera]

Just wanted to say, as an air sim main who stopped flying in air RB over a year ago, I really enjoy these reviews! Seems like this Tornado, kinda like the F-104, would do well in air sim, as most fights there don't devolve into massive turnfighting furballs. I also appreciate that you show the view from the cockpit in your reviews!

[@clintwestwood7891]

That F bomb was unexpected, but welcome. Nice review Tims, thank you for your work! o7

[@TimsVariety]

"When you want the lesson to stick, give it to em' dirty."

[@tazzie165]

Good to see a youtuber whose finally done their research. Im so over these youtubers slandering the plane because it doesn’t dogfight, when then plane wasn’t even made for it. A KZbin channel called Aircrew Interview has a great series with F3 combat pilots who served of which they talk about the tactics used. You hit it right in the head Tim, stay fast, missiles away, fly away.

[@TimsVariety]

I love that channel!

[@wapniak666]

>Im so over these youtubers slandering the plane because it doesn’t dogfight, when then plane wasn’t even made for it everyone knows that, thats not the point they say its shit because it doesn't dogfight because WT meta is like that no one cares if its the best interceptor in the game if interception is not a thing that you do

[@tazzie165]

@@TimsVariety a man of culture

[@tazzie165]

@@wapniak666 exactly, it’s beyond annoying

[@wapniak666]

@@tazzie165 what is annoying?

[@patricktho6546]

9:00 works also well for the f14 btw Edit: yes, surprise, it is also an interceptor, especially the A

[@lostmyhead8220]

Tim cursing sent a shiver up my spine

[@MiniMe943]

Thanks for the nuanced review as always Tim. It's absurd how many people say "don't bother" just because it can't turn, while neglecting to mention all the good things the plane has going for it.

[@freddiejohames8332]

I managed to make the British phantom work at top tier. And this is basically a better phatom. This will become amazing if the ever add the amraam.

[@flashtirade]

Finally a review that actually has some advice for flying it besides "don't," thanks Tim

[@vedeved5246]

Because the other cc are talking to better player, this channel is more for everybody. And good player know that of course you can make anything work when it has decent weapon with the amount of brain dead people that play this game. So of course they won't explain to us that you can hide and kill stupid that don't know how to react to a fox 1. Because their audience knows that and their channel are about carrying in fighters. The tornado is trash at carrying so they are gonna say the tornado is trash.

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

I like using the hit and run tactic with the F-104A, so I will probably use that when I unlock this one. The advantage is that with this I will get to use countermeasures and have more than 2 missiles

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

I swear, I've become a better pilot from watching these. Once I stopped trying to chase the "meta" and learned that every plane can be fun, if you let yourself enjoy it. Alot of youtube reviews focus on a few small, basic stats. Tim give you a good but brief history lesson, and actually flys the vehicle with all the laodouts, and gives you a good ending slide to help determine if the vehicle is to your style

[@A7OM1CS]

You can get some much sharper turns by rapidly dropping speed with the reverse thruster and, if necessary, the airbrakes. It does dump a lot of speed when doing so, but that's generally what any good-turning plane will do anyway. It at least gives you a better chance to line up a shot. real nice for getting planes to overshoot too.

[@furioustoco2824]

By far my favorite WT videos to watch even if I know the plane

[@patricktho6546]

0:30 thankfully we have so many nuclear bombers, especially in air, so it can perfectly fullfill its intended role and isn't forced to do something that it never was designed for. - oh wait...

[@_dtankshooter]

Please note: It should have the Mk2 Radar system over the Type W (there are tons of sources posted for this in fourms under "Panavia Tornado UK Discussion" They (members of the fourm) are getting all the sources together to make a bug report, (FYI: Historically the it had the Type 2 (3rd radar version) where as in WT it has the Type W (1st version) if they change it, the radar will go from being basically a copy of the F-14 to the best in the game, it will also change the ACM range from 9km to 185, which should help a lot (aka stop you from fumbling around with radar controls while having 10 enemies in front of you, also the SuperTEMP's are (as far as I know and have tested) still slightly bugged (the seeker), also the current wing rip is about +9G and -1G while it should be +11.5 and -3 (source: RAF manuals posted on the fourms), So please consider the Tornado still WIP until Gaijin fixes it in about 3 years.

[@pringle239]

I want it to be upgraded but it upsets me because I know gaijin just won't

[@patricktho6546]

@@pringle239 same with reeneabling the dl of 6 targets/locking of 6 targets in TWS with the F14.

[@sidbell1747]

Should the range of the Supertemp be higher? The sources I've seen say between 70km and 100km but I'm not great at identifying the right sources

[@_dtankshooter]

@Sid Bell No, the range is correct according to the RAF Records for the SkyFlash Missile Variants, If you want to see it feel free to ask.

[@AMDeZani]

God, you can say that the SuperTEMP’s seeker is bugged again. It’s bloody awful. The missile misses the easiest of shots and gets duped by chaff so often, even when the Foxhunter is maintaining an extremely solid lock. Oh, and the infuriating “Radar Lock Required” bug don’t help none.

[@Vlad290999]

Ah, man. Waited just for your review on this plane, cause I knew you would give it a fair and positive appraisal. Thank you!❤️

[@Registered_Simp]

As far as the Tornado airframe generally goes, I found a sweet spot for decent maneuverability while not having it feel like a total buss if you absolutely have to get and stay closer to the fight. Keep the wings at 50% sweep when speed allows and the airframe feels a bit less like a total boat for pull, and actually feels responsive for roll. If you get REALLY desperate, put the wings all the way out, put the flaps down to combat, and try to keep her at around 900km/h for optimal rate speeds. Energy fighting can also work here against opponents who were already very slow. Not a great scenario but this is how I was able to make the most of it

[@whydoyoucare8731]

Small note: the Stock Sky flashes on the tornado are different from the ones on the other British phantoms. The sky flash DF and Super temp take only .8 seconds to start tracking while the stock sky flashes on the tornado take 1.8 seconds to start tracking.

[@TheDECKFISH]

Love your work Tim! These reviews are great with my morning coffee! Love the sirens in the background too ;)

[@FallenPhoenix86]

Finally someone gets it... it categorically was not an air superiority fighter and was never supposed to be.

[@JimberCrime]

I was grinding the F.3 but i wasnt too sure about it but youve sold me on it and it seems like itll fit my play style thanks a ton!

[@HasvenWorld]

Honestly. The way you explain how to use it sounds more badass. Kinda like a barracuda waiting on the edge, coming in at mach 5, causing chaos, and leaving like you were never there in the first place. Don't know why I'm watching this. The Attacker is my highest tiered jet in the UK, but still

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

It’s disappointing they introduced it as is. As you said it’s radar is decent, when in fact it should be beyond excellent, matching or exceeding the F-15’s radar in performance. While it is fast it’s nothing compared to an F-16 or MiG-29, and in fact should be pushing 1,500 kph at low level. It’s turn performance as well of course shouldn’t be good, but right now it’s worse than it’s Phantom predecessor which you can easily find interviews with pilots stating the complete opposite. The SuperTEMP also isn’t right, at least on the stat card. Sources very but state a range between 74km and 99km, similar to the Aim-7F but with a higher accelerating motor. Right now it’s the same as the regular Skyflash (on paper) at 50km, yet right now the radar is struggling to authorize launches beyond 40km. Overall it should be much better than it currently is, and truthfully is just food for 29’s right now, even in BVR.

[@theneef174]

The f3 did not get a better radar than the f16 until basically the final upgrade.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@theneef174 which is what we have in game, the F.3. It used the AI.24 Foxhunter.

[@AMDeZani]

It’s not the radar that’s not allowing the SuperTEMP to launch past 40km, it’s the missile’s seeker itself. It’s god awful.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@AMDeZani Honestly supposed to have a monopulse receiver, not even modeled smh.

[@AMDeZani]

@@jacobbaumgardner3406 Yup. For a missile that should be equal in tracking capabilities to the AIM-7M (which doesn’t have the monopulse seeker modelled either), it sure as hell don’t feel like it.

[@sentinelxcix2526]

A few things (TL;DR: it’s basically still WiP): The radar is still largely a copy of the F-14s in game, and there are a few reports open to get it fixed, as well as suggestions to make it a later version. AOA at most wing sweeps is currently incorrect, there’s a report to get it fixed so it should be able to turn better, but I can’t say for sure how much (limit should improve to 24 or 27 degrees) Wing rip limits seem to be bugged right now as well, not sure if there’s a report for it though. Last I saw there’s no radar display on the MFD or HUD.

[@addedcheese]

It's honestly kind of sad that there are so many aircraft built for a variety of roles and the game just doesn't really support anything other than dogfighting air supremacy fighters in the one game mode that is designed to grind aviation. I wish Gaijin understood this and did something to support all types of aircraft properly

[@MrEsphoenix]

The perfect mode for something like this would be the PVE air assault mode if they actually put some effort into it. The same goes for non meta tanks in the ground version. Unfortunately it was a bit of an after thought, you get next to no RP from playing it and it's only available in arcade. If they developed an RB and maybe even sim version of the modes, with less enemies and more time to rearm between waves, and gave proper rewards, it could really be a nice alternative when people get burned out with the PvP, and I would bet that it would keep enough players engaging with the game that it would have little to no effect on the PvP matchmaking times. They could even add a mode for bombers and escort to give them more if a place in game.

[@addedcheese]

@@MrEsphoenix that would be nice but we've already seen Gaijin cock that up. Most naval players I've ever talked to agree that by far the best and most fun naval mode is EC yet Gaijin denied it becoming the main game mode and instead still use the travesty that is the standard naval battles and I suppose same goes for all other differing game modes

[@MrEsphoenix]

@@addedcheese It's frustrating. People have been asking for new game modes for years, and all we ever get are these half arsed modes that never get developed past a stage that feels like a test. It comes across its as if gaijin wants to put players off the idea. War Thunder offers an experience you can't get anywhere else, but it's just so limited by gaijin's narrow focus on its standard battles. Look at a custom game like the Aussie Mantis server for example. It's constantly full despite offering no reward or progress for playing.

[@addedcheese]

@@MrEsphoenix yes pretty much. I'm assuming it's because spewing out nev vehicles and premiums no matter how inefficient they are to play makes money immediately and lots of it. While getting more players on by making the core game better would only yield results after a time and with the number of new premiums each better than the last in every single patch it's becoming obvious that Gaijin will only ever do things for a quick buck

[@MrEsphoenix]

@@addedcheese Yeah, the issue being, when they run out of interesting top tier vehicles, that well is going to start running dry, and if they haven't got the foundation in place to keep players interested in the game, it'll end up abandoned (or we'll see a war thunder 2)

[@Foksuh]

This thing would serve it's role better in EC matches and I'd imagine it's not terrible in sim either, the RB meta is just a shitshow for so many planes.

[@TimsVariety]

I had an easier time with it on the EC maps, averaging 1 or 2 kills. On the smaller maps I just got rekt most of the time because it was so crowded.

[@kazline1455]

though i dont have the tornado i do only play sim and the times i've seen it it was quite effective when in BVR engagements, had some give me quite a tough time also just due to the shit load of flares and chaff it has, more often i found myself forced into a merge and having to gun it cuz non of my missiles would work, that is if i could even get to the merge

[@videogamesandchill3359]

Love you Tim!

[@kimjongun7148]

Love this jet. Gotten me a 3 KD using these tactics. Thank you so much!

[@MrEsphoenix]

My initial thoughts where that is actually pretty good. But I had only been playing the GR1, so I went and had a fly in the F16 and realised how outclassed the tornado is in WT. As usual with British jets it's just overdue and the meta has moved past it. The paper wings don't help either. Unless we get lucky with some Commonwealth addition, we're in for a painful year or so until they add the Typhoon. Hopefully we at least get some lower BR additions like the Hawk so we can have some fun whilst we wait, as Britain is really lacking in nimble high tier fighters, with the Harrier 2 being the only real option, but due to it being top tier they now have to face things like the F16 that make it look like a brick in comparison.

[@theneef174]

The early DA series could be a possibility.

[@stoyantodorov2133]

At 11.3 it is not even meant to be on equal terms with F-16 and MiG-29. 11.3 consists of mostly phantoms, MiG-23 and various delta wing aircraft. MiG-23 is very tough to face, but I have won most of my dogfights against other 11.3 by energy trapping them. The tornado is very strong in a downtier, but currently 12.0 is a black hole that sucks all 11.3 planes.

[@Typhoon_FGR4]

Truly a cut above the rest when it comes to reviews. The typical trope of ‘meta-slaving’ KZbinrs is tiresome. Good job Tim.

[@thatbritishgamer6089]

Best plane! Favourite! Keep up the great videos!

[@viperdruid]

tim cursing i love it

[@hanskneesun123]

I've been having some success with this even in uptiers, I just wish I'd watched the video earlier because the interceptor advice is spot on, being able to flank as the furballing begins is the best way to go, but my favorites is the rb city map it provides half decent cover as you brazenly fly on the deck to the enemies flank and unload as they are lining up on the target bases.

[@TheJayjam]

Honestly warthunder needs a mission design rework. Team Deathmatch just ain't it anymore. This plane essentially requires you to use your team as bait to be effective.

[@bigoof1105]

Multiple spawns and air capture points to force teams to split up would be a good start. They can literally just copy the ground rb formula over to air rb. Destroying bases should hurt tickets a lot more so bombers actually become a valuable asset to the team. I agree team deathmatch does not suit air rb, especially with larger maps and now the new 16v16 matchmaking.

[@bryyetrademarked]

Tornado F.3 is very fun when you know how to use it and if you get caught you can actually turn really well with the wings out and with combat flaps at around 700km - 950kmh, it catches plenty of people off guard when a Tornado suddenly starts to out turn them

[@bounty_3589]

i would really like to see wso / rio "multiplayer matches" where 2 players take 1 plane. but i cant imagine that in war thunder, it would be to complex nice video tho keep on doing i watch u for the last 2 years and you helped me with understanding war thunder avionics thanks

[@kylebrady969]

maybe it could be a mechanic purely for squading up with friends/clanmates

[@NotoTomatoes]

So happy I asked for those Canadian Camouflages! For sure now my favorite aircraft in warthunder

[@Poe_Dunker]

"Get the fuck out!" Omg, that was AWESOME! Do it again! 😀

[@thelegoman1176]

You talking about just running away and using speed, just gives me SR 71 vibes

[@majiceight8all589]

Nice review, Tim, as always. I shall be flying this one out for the challenge, previous day job affiliation and fond air show memories. I think we should all be glad that the rubbish real-life reliability of the leaky, breaky, creaky hunk-o-junk Skyflash isn’t accurately modelled…

[@Seventeeenth]

i love mine, nice review btw!

[@awwgordy]

8:45 is the funniest fucking war thunder review i have ever heard and its so good coming out of Tim's mouth

[@lucky7th331]

Props for using the song "Waltz of the tornado" I noticed it 😂

[@TimsVariety]

I really dig the new soundtrack.

[@lucky7th331]

@@TimsVariety Yeah so do I

[@user-fj6ms4vr6s]

Very good and informative.

[@skantilles75]

Thanks for the review. Seems that the reduce the engine temp to a normal level.

[@theteadrinkingowl.2295]

A good video. Well done. I have seen people saying the Tornado is bad, as if it was going to be anything else in War Thunder. (Also, most of them talk about skill and "tactics", but they would complain that the E-100 is a bad dogfighter, so well done for using your Brain).

[@RB25528]

I think you forgot to mention that the difference between the regular skyflashes and the superTEMP versions on the tornado is very large as the temp versions will immediately track off the rail whereas the non temp versions will fly straight for a couple of seconds before manoeuvering

[@TimsVariety]

Its about half a second of extra lead-time before the seeker engages I think. I honestly didn't notice much difference except at point blank range.

[@a2fkgaming721]

Heck Yeah! Was waiting for this review and it was worth it! Thank You for your work on your guides! They are incredible. Also 100krp left from finally getting this plane! Flank and Spank it is!!

[@Red_Lion2000]

I'd advise using GE to unlock the more important modules, the stock grind is true pain.

[@a2fkgaming721]

@@Red_Lion2000 Roger will do. Thank You!

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@a2fkgaming721 Anytime, best of luck Comrade. also remember that you have a radar gunsight which comes in handy aiming this planes single cannon.

[@aussiedogfighter285]

@@Red_Lion2000 another option for stock grinding is doing air assault arcade, you get about 3.5k rp per match (7 with prem) if you do well, and you get to make the plane do the kinda thing it's designed to do

[@harryshuman9637]

Top tier meta is not dog fighting, but missile jousting, which this thing does well.

[@thatguynk8044]

Hey Tim, you can use both thrust reversers and brakes by setting a key bind. The keybinds are both “left brake” and “right brake” in full real settings and applys to mouse aim aswell for whatever reason. this works even if there is no keybind for it in mouse controls

[@junyutan2172]

“Get in shoot shit and get the fuck out” pretty much sums it up lol

[@falchi1]

I actualy think the tornado is one of the fastest to land top tier jets, you just need to set up a separate key for the wheel brakes soo that you can brake while in wep reverse thrust

[@_dexcon_7008]

Please tell me you’re going to do another video once all the bugs are fixed! :) nice video Tim!!! Thx

[@garrisonchilds2610]

Thanks for making a review of this plane that isn't just insufferable complaining like everyone else is doing. I always look forward to your informed opinion, keep up the good work Tim.

[@jihost2589]

I feel Gaijin shoehorning interceptors into Air lines is going to become the standard

[@Ming-Chan]

the fighting style you describe with the plane reminds me of the F-104 Starfighter though I think those can pull more Gs ingame

[@The_Irish_Fox]

Yeah cause they don’t have the strange G limiter system like the F-16 and tornado Gaijin either needs to remove the 1.5x G modifier from every plane or give these plans their 1.5x G modifier

[@ivorharden]

The Tornado ADV was designed as an interceptor not a air superiority fighter. It had the same credentials as a Mig31. If the Cold war turned hot, the Hawk with AIM9 would of been used as a fighter alongside ADV, using the ADV radar for guidance.

[@Z45HR4]

This plane seems very similar to the MiG-23 in the way that it plays. People try to engage in the big fur ball in the middle only to find out that the Titanic had a better turning radius. But if you play it right, and use it like an interceptor, then you can often rack up several kills without too much difficulty. Just need to pick your targets well and do not try to dogfight with it.

[@Beythoven]

Best War Thunder channel on the platform

[@BatteredWalrus]

To symbolise the F.3's play style, I shall quote a certain pirate. "We fight, to run away"

[@ODST_Parker]

Welcome to the F-104 playstyle, Britain! Hope you enjoy it as much as Italy does!!!

[@ofekk213]

I hate it when youtubers tell people not to equip the "New boosters" modification. It is absolutely crucial for the Tornado F.3 and I recommend getting it ASAP. It gives you a massive +14.5°/s boost to the roll rate, and much more importantly, improves your angle of attack and allows you to pull harder on faster speeds. If you know at what G your aircraft wingrips you can train to not rip your wing, but not equipping the "New boosters" modification is like rifing a bicycle with auxiliary wheels: they keep the bike stable but severely limit your turning circle.

[@vedeved5246]

Again he is not that good at the game, he propably got a lot of wing rip didn't blame it on himself but more on the new booster.

[@ofekk213]

@@vedeved5246 I would not really say that, it's just that so many youtubers keep saying this and I think it is misleading because you are handicapping your aircraft.

[@TimsVariety]

@@vedeved5246 Here ya go , kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZOtg2yeodh-pMU

[@Gunship]

damn it I was looking forward to this plane, then I noticed the lower BR and this review confirmed it....

[@gansior4744]

So the Italy awaits ADV, but Im more hyped for ECR

[@bigoof1105]

We still have quite a way before SEAD, meanwhile I'd rather see AV-8B Harrier II for Italy before the Tornado ADV.

[@some559]

What ECR stands for?

[@brainyskeletonofdoom7824]

​@@some559 electronic combat/ reconnaissance

[@gansior4744]

@@bigoof1105 oh yeah, I want harrier more as well. Italy really needs Maverick's platform. Either a Harrier or a AMX

[@SgtVipus]

ahh the tonka or land shark fingers crossed for a 25sqn skin

[@kylebrady969]

The ADV is not, was not, and was never meant to be a dogfighter. Its job was the same as the EE Lightning, F-102, F-106, Su-9/11, Su-15, MiG-25, etc.; go fast, go high, kill nuclear-armed bombers at range, go home. Not to mention it was built off of a high-speed, low altitude, tactical penetration strike aircraft which had deliberate engineering compromises to tailor to that mission. As someone in comments already pointed out, the Aircrew Interview youtube channel talked to real Tornado F.3 pilots about their chariot and most of them said the same thing. The tactic for air combat was shooting missiles at distance, and running away in the merge. If I recall them one of them correctly the F.3 was G-limited to 4-5G's anyway, so good luck doing BFM versus an F-15, F-16, MiG-21, MiG-29, Su-27...and so on. So thank you for pointing that out, good sir

[@mitchverr9330]

The grind is suffer, the radar is buggy, but its still a pretty okay fighter.

[@muhamadafrifauzi5695]

did you experience it too? I hardlock a target via TWS and when I power up the lock to launch the Fox 1 missile, nothing happen. I don't know why hardlocking target only works in SRC or ACM Mode.

[@theneef174]

Even tim says its pretty bad; but hey, at least we got a tactic that can work.

[@farmcat9873]

Tims Says the Tornado F3 IS AMAZING .................... at flying in a straight line almost got me. But hey when them thrust reverser are one and then they are shut off the rear exhuct on the engine folds over and does some transformer type $h!t and that looks pretty bada$$.

[@sladernom]

the tornado pretty much fits my preferred playstyle to a T too bad I don't touch uk's ground or air tho

[@bagelmaster2498]

I feel like it’ll get better as better munitions are added although at the same time other nations will just get better jets with the same weapons so who knows how it’ll be

[@RSProduxx]

The Tornado shines at low alt fast ground runs, trying to make it into an a2a fighter was a stretch :)

[@royboiiiluo6178]

I was frustrated when I got it first, then I got a hang of this thing’s powerful radar and skyflash, I just stay behind a few minutes to take off then snipe the dog fighting enemy from more than 20km away then turn around and repeat, it quickly reversed my k/d ratio, this is a powerful interceptor, in good hands, you can spank a lot of a$$ with it

[@wulfleyn6498]

Would be funny if the add the airstrip destroyer weapon to the german version.

[@thephantom2man]

Nice 111 squadron skin

[@chrisgardiner6771]

I'm a sim only player, and what I have found very disappointing is that it doesn't have a target designator symbol (box, diamond or circle) in the HUD around a locked radar target. The F.3 definitely had this feature in real life, and after playing the F-14 and F-16, I had gotten used to this feature. It helps a lot more in sim than people may realise. Why Gaijin didn't add this for the F.3, I will never know! It's not exactly a jet that needs nerfing, so at least give it what it had in real life. Also, I find the radar a bit more unreliable than you mention in your video. It loses locked really easily and in some instances, it can't even reacquire the target. Thanks for the heads up on not using the boosters! I never thought of that and I have had a few problems with wing rips. Will give it a try 👍. Overall for me, if they can improve the radar a bit and most importantly, add the target designator symbol in the HUD, it might be quite competitive in sim, with its BVR capability. However, I can understand why RB players may not want anything to do with it!

[@brianquinlan8891]

Thanks for the review Tim! Will probably skip this one as my research in British tech tree stops just before early jets :/ keep up the good work man!!

[@Kokoda144]

"if you are looking for a challenge". I guess VPO and GUUD won't be using it then

[@Moondoggymungmung]

Imagine designing something that just goes straight well thinking the Soviets had no fighters with legs to cover their bombers part way then seeing the first images of the su 27...

[@TheLifeguard]

I remembered you wing ripped in front me while flying that 😂

[@TimsVariety]

o7

[@TheLifeguard]

@@TimsVariety o7

[@muhamadafrifauzi5695]

the only sucks about Skyflash (the non SuperTEMP one) in the F.3 is basically a copypaste AIM-7E instead of AIM-7E2. AFAIK, isn't the basic Skyflash historically doesn't have to lead its missile before turning? I'm pretty surprised when I use this Skyflash in F.3 isn't same as the FG/FGR twins.

[@kalumbailey5103]

Yeah I noticed it has to fly straight abit longer then the fg skyflash does before tracking, still good though an I'll have the supers today so oh well

[@benmills-baker1134]

All they need to do is buff the flight model and turn rate it would both be more accurate to real and just better

[@Fireball-ms1kk]

Update, the ripping is a bug, will be reported, the Skyflash should be receiving a seeker track rate buff. Additionally it seems to be underperforming slightly in terms of speed.

[@errornamenotfound2513]

Basically FG.1/FGR.2 But Bigger and "Brickier" but with better missiles

[@en_ole]

you can press u to see your missiles so you dont need to shoot two

[@sidchicken2308]

Is this the first time he’s dropped the F-bomb in a review video?

[@TimsVariety]

No, I mentioned the nickname "short little ugly fucker" in my review of the A-7

[@st.michaelsknight6299]

Good speed Good Missiles Good Radar Turns like a train. Sounds like a f104 asa

[@Alex-fn5nu]

Kurnass 2000 next pls!

[@TimsVariety]

Soon.

[@cowboyforadalei4415]

Its not a bad plane if bvr from high and do orbital strike stuff

[@Andre-yy3en]

Italy should get it too

[@RapidRain]

Tornado would be so much more insane if it got it's Fox 3s and ASRAAMs

[@kazline1455]

is it possible to turn the MFD displaying the map into a radar scope?