Toronto Bike Lane Removals - The Latest on This Controversial Move - Let's Discuss the two sides.

Toronto Bike Lane Removals - The Latest on This Controversial Move - Let's Discuss the two sides. These are decisions that can affect urban planning and infrastructure in cities all across the country in Canada, not just Toronto. Should the province be allowed to tell the city how to do it's urban planning, if so how far should the province be allowed to go?

[@JWB19]

I'm not even a cyclist advocate and even I'm saying to myself removing bicycle lanes are a waste of time and money. Leave them as they are until more transit is built and see where things go.

[@EvanHyland]

Exactly!! 👏👏

[@wteres]

it's not a waste of money if that money spent solves or repairs a poor decision.

[@realchrislozinski]

They just want cyclists dead. If you take up a lane of car traffic as a cyclist, since you’re a “motor vehicle” they’ll honk at you, swear at you and sometimes even hit you. if you bike on the sidewalk, you’ll get ticketed and yelled at by locals. So their solution is “just don’t use a bike” which, coming from Doug Ford, makes a lot of sense

[@wteres]

Your argument is all over the place. The solution is to remove bike lanes that are built on major roads.

[@wyhesggifrid]

@@wteres using your logic, the solution to car congestion is remove all car lanes . poof, gone all the cars and roads, no more traffic congestion

[@realchrislozinski]

Is it? Because right now there is no plan to do that. And it makes no sense. Are there a lot of businesses on side streets? No? then what’s the point. You are delusional

[@wteres]

@@realchrislozinski kzbin.info/www/bejne/mofPfpuJibt7qqcsi=EZaYKRkEY_oB379k

[@xtrapnel68]

@@wteres Why? Cars can drive on "minor" roads much more easily and faster than cyclists can. Get cars off the major roads is a much better solution.

[@Canadianinvesting]

I live in the Netherlands currently. The biking infrastructure here is beyond what I could have even considered. Roundabouts with bike priority, designated lanes for bikes etc. Underground parking exclusively for bikes. Its incredibly how many people here either dont have a car because of access to public transit or the effective biking system or may have one but primarily bike. Removing the bike lanes isnt going to help; quite simply you cant fit that many cars in the same space you can fit bikes into. The removal is a waste of money and resources.

[@wteres]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mofPfpuJibt7qqcsi=EZaYKRkEY_oB379k. Toronto is not Amsterdam

[@fanOfMinecraft-UAs_channel]

@@wteres But it could become, in Amsterdam people were also complaining when the cars were being de-prioritised and bike lanes were built. Now this needs to happen to the America. If Toronto will continue moving into the same direction as Amsterdam did, it will become Amsterdam

[@wteres]

@@fanOfMinecraft-UAs_channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/mofPfpuJibt7qqc kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6WcaI2ipdlqpqs. It's all poor planning by the radical NDP caucus at City Hall

[@wyhesggifrid]

i cant see a single benefit in removing them, traffic will get worse bc people will have to drive instead of bike, its a waste of money to remove them

[@wyhesggifrid]

just look at the 401, its what now? 18 lanes wide and still congested to the brim lol

[@wteres]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mofPfpuJibt7qqc kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6WcaI2ipdlqpqs. that's odd... "traffic will get worse" it's a false dichotomy... either you drive OR you bike.... I remember riding a bike when there were no bike lanes

[@kerriadereth]

The bike lane removal is just one more example of Doug Ford’s petty grudge against Toronto.

[@wteres]

I think he's put for a very sensible idea and piece of legislation that will improve traffic congestion that the NDP caucus at City Hall is determined to continue

[@davidreichert9392]

Removing the bike lanes will not do anything to improve traffic congestion. Even with the bike lanes removed, an additional lane will not be gained. On-street parking will still be blocking the right lane. So instead now you will have increased congestion with bikes competing with cars for space, rather than each having their own space. This is a massive waste of money for zero benefit to anyone. This has zero to do with improving traffic. It's just about anti-bicycle ideology.

[@OurToronto]

I agree. It's basically the same group of people that think adding one more lane to the 401 will solve the problem.

[@PWingert1966]

If it allows even one more car to drive, park or pull over it is worth doing regardless of the cost.

[@davidreichert9392]

@ Well then it's not worth it, because it won't. Unless you can explain how to turn a 2m wide bike lane into a 4m wide car lane.

[@davidreichert9392]

@ The "grassroots" group of people behind this, are a bunch of rich Etobicoke businessmen with close personal ties to Ford.

[@wteres]

@@davidreichert9392 I live downtown. AND the bike lanes are a hazard.

[@Aleksandar6ix]

I might have missed it, but did you address how Ford's election call will affect it? Can he be voted out of office and have 212 cancelled?

[@OurToronto]

If he would get defeated 212 is over. But that's pretty much not happening.

[@wteres]

YES a new government can repeal or cancell a piece of legislation put forth by the previous gov

[@transittown7891]

So are the bike lane removals for adding new bus only lanes at all?

[@OurToronto]

There are no buses there. Those are all subway routes.

[@Hogtownboy1]

Increasing from 20 to 45

[@wteres]

Let's have a plebiscite.

[@Hogtownboy1]

@@wteres to remove or to keep or for all bike lanes in general

[@wteres]

@@Hogtownboy1 both... that what the plebiscite would say .... keep and expand or remove all or build only on side streets

[@Hogtownboy1]

@ just yes or no. Otherwise each side will claim what their side won

[@xtrapnel68]

Who would get to vote on it? Hundreds of thousands of people for whom bike lanes make not a speck of difference? Like the provincial government... We had a plebiscite: it's called a municipal election. The guys that advocated removing bike lanes were explicitly repudiated.

[@Hogtownboy1]

@ no only 28 per cent turn out and there are many reasons to vote for incumbent. No parties in local politics. So election dont target a cross city issue

[@PWingert1966]

We need to stop catering to cyclkists. IF its so dangerous change the laws so that they can only ride in parks and private property. Otherwise let them ride with traffic as the law sais they can do. Drivers should not encounter even one second of delay due to someone who can not ride at traffic speed. All bikel anes should be removed in all cities and towns across Ontario.

[@kenzerbenzer6569]

Sounds like you’ve never used a bicycle

[@duploman0003]

Bike lanes free up traffic, which makes your journey safer. Those cyclists would’ve been in a car otherwise.

[@wteres]

@@duploman0003 Chopped logic... Bike lanes DO NOT free up traffic but congests it therefore your ride is more dangerous.

[@duploman0003]

@@wteres No, my commute wouldn’t be more dangerous because I’d have my own bike lane! Cars also wouldn’t have to look out for bikes who they would otherwise run over because they don’t watch for others than themselves.

[@wteres]

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[@Hogtownboy1]

Hopefully the removal goes through