Torque and Power Cams for Harley-Davidson M8 | Screamin Eagle Stage 2

[@GixxerFoo]

Let me know what cam you're running and how you like it, what pipes and tuner are you using?

[@thomasandrewphd.5844]

I have vance and Hines 2 into 2 big radius pipes and a screaming eagle heavy breather....the SE tuner .. the HD torque cam I will do later

[@GixxerFoo]

@@thomasandrewphd.5844 That's a sweet combo! I have the heavy breather myself, you put a torque cam in you should see even higher gains with your exhaust.

[@jeffreycarroll5920]

Ok, have 12 months left on my warranty and since I want my bike to last I pulled the plug and rode 600 miles in May to Moonshine Harley-Davidson in Tennessee (watch them on utube). They installed a S&S 465G cam chest kit, fulsac 2-1-2 headers, Power Vision tuning.....bike runs Awsome!

[@MichaelSmith-sz7kf]

Jeff what did that cost ya? Live in upstate NY don’t have a Harley Dealership willing to do that work here!😡

[@adminadmin9997]

@@MichaelSmith-sz7kf dealer wanted to charge me in cali $1180 with tax or plus tax

[@vincentmcclain9307]

Very good topic just picked up a 2020 / 114 Road glide S ran it 1000 miles for brake in and 1K service did a stage 2 torque kit. Also Ventilator elite intake, Vance & Hines power dual full exhaust, Screaming eagle pro tune WITH smart tune . I agree about the pushrods however The M8 works really well with this build. No increase in performance clatter...civilized with a real seat grab At 63 years old I prefer to get the weight rolling other builds were always aftermarket .How ever as of this posting this combo really rocks. For the price point I feel money well spent. Ride safe

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I really like that torque cam as it gains in the low and mid but doesn't really give up anything on top. Sounds like you have a really nice setup going on your bike, it should really good with that exhaust, air cleaner and tune with that cam.

[@whiskeythrottleracing]

My first experience with Stage 2 (SE torque cam) was on a 2017 Ultra Classic. It was an excellent performance upgrade and I found that first year M8 to be as reliable as an anvil. My new ride is a 2022 Road Glide Special. In stock trim it runs about as strong as the Stage 2 107. The 114 runs really strong with the SE stage 1 and sounds great with 4.5 Street Cannons. I have all the parts for the SE torque cam including high SE tappets and inner cam bearing just waiting for the appt to get it done at Harley. If I can maintain the warranty and reliability like on the 107 I'll be one happy camper. I use my bike for a commuter so it gets lots of miles and about 50% at high speeds on the Interstate (85-95mph cruising speeds). The torque cam didn't fall short on the ultra and I hope I made the right choice for the Glide. Time will tell. I like to live in 2500-3500 RPM range.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome to hear! I'm a big fan of the torque cam, it doesn't give up really anything to the power cam. It puts the power right where you can use it!

[@chrisl.7345]

I will undoubtedly go with the S&S 465 full kit, cam, cam-plate, oil-pump, tappets, alu. tappet locks, pushrods etc. + add an hydraulic S&S cam chain tensioner….when I rebuild my 2017 FLHTK this winter. A 2-1 Bassani might be a solution too 👍🏻😉

[@stephenbodholdt4326]

Went with the Screaming Eagle stage 2. Torque cam. In my 2021 Road king. Wow👍👍👍🙏 really woke this big girl up. Very happy with the performance. All Harley dealership Myrtle beach. Great information you give us all. Thank you sir.

[@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe]

I just put in the power Cam in a new bike, Max torque is 116.42 engine rpm is 3.68 max power is102.52 at engine rpm 4.48, Vance n hines power dual header pipe, and Rinehart slip on's, It would have been all vance n hines but I got brand new rinehart slip on's for free, over all its better than a stage 1 and sound is awesome, I'm very happy with the end result for how I ride.

[@GixxerFoo]

Those are very solid numbers, nothing wrong with that gain!

[@hpo3409]

Went to Moonshine horsepower in Franklin Tennessee with my 2021 SGS had them do a 128 kit with bulletproof primary. Moonshine horsepower 1 7/8”pro stock header and exhaust. 64mm intake with the 492/30 cam. 6.24 GM/SEC injectors. Horsepower topped out at 138.7. Torque went to 151. The guys there were super cool. They had me in their shop for hours showing me different things and just talking. After the build was done, two days later we had a few drinks after the shop closed also talking about the build. I heard they were good. so I trailered from Wisconsin to Tennessee. They did not disappoint.

[@GixxerFoo]

I've seen a lot of their KZbin videos, when they talked about builds they checked all the boxes included larger injectors when needed! That's awesome to here they got it right and treated you right too!

[@roberthodge9506]

My local Harley dealer just installed the Stage II Torque cam on my 2021 Road glide special in Snake venom with dark package, Combined with Harley high flow breather,Cobra 909 slip on mufflers and street tuner. My seat of pants dyno and ear to ear grin when I roll on the throttle can attest to the very noticeable performance improvement. About $1200.00 OTD parts,labor and taxes.Money well spent IMHO.

[@GixxerFoo]

Very nice! That's not bad at all for having the dealer do the work and keeping your warranty!

[@rockcrawlerchurch2976]

I know its subjective, but what are the 909s like? Did you have them on before the cam upgrade? Was there any torque drop? I really like the uppercut look. In Australia our choices of exhausts are pretty weak. Its pretty much rinehart, s&s, freedom and cobra. The cobras are pretty cheap and the style i like the look of so.... still dont want to spend the money twice though hahaha.

[@dannyreynolds2729]

Iam getting torque cams put on mine rite now, after many reviews and research I chose torque cams for my style of riding.

[@GixxerFoo]

Torque cam put that power where you ride the most and on top it doesn't give up much if anything to the power cam. It would be my choice as well for sure!

[@bradwilliams4921]

I chose the Torque cam for my 02 Fatboy back when I made that change. If I am ever able to get my hands on a new Touring Harley-Davidson I will probably select the Torque cam as well because I usually short shift and ride at low to mid range rpms and only get into higher rpms when stretched out on the freeway.

[@GixxerFoo]

The torque cam actually gives up very little if anything to power cam on top, I'd go with the torque cam myself too.

[@Big88Country]

Torque! Those prices are ok, but you can't forget the dyno time you gotta include. Running a 2017 CVO Ultra stage 1, 114 with TAB slip ons. It's already got plenty of power and torque, what I'm worried about is the dang oil pump and sumping!

[@markduncan8030]

Sending respect from Australia, great content 🇦🇺👍🏻

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you we appreciate it! Ride safe out there!

[@alrchaplain]

Got a Triglide with a Rekluse clutch and a Pingle shifter . I have a stage I on it and If I go stage II it will be the power cam. I also have a Freewheeler and if I go up with that I will do a phase II power kit. The Triglide is for touring and uphill down hill and it hauls pretty good as it is with just a phase I. The extra Torque will be great. The engine is a 107. The FLRT is a 114 C.I. and it is pretty perky. I would go with the power kit probably but might go with the torque kit since I don't ride the trike that fast.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! You don't see a lot of hopped up trikes very often, I bet they are a blast to ride!

[@dougcrandall8040]

Went with Torque cam SS 465 Complete cam chest. Had SE stage2 terrible. Cam chest about 1500$ versus 399$ tuned with FP3 tuner 4 was nt out yet. Old saying get what you pay for. SE lifters failed thank the the good LORD I caught it in time. GR 8 SHOW

[@robertcook5965]

Have the powerkit on order - my M8 at 100HP will be great for me!

[@03Grunt-arrino]

Did you get the power cam installed yet?

[@michiganborn8303]

After much consideration, my choice is down to 2. The Zippers 468 and the S&S 465. I should probably go with the S&S just to match up with the S&S Mk-45's slip-ons I already have on my '17 King.

[@michaelmitchell5909]

Bassani rr3 stainless, andrews 57h, tts tuner....pulls like a steam loco!

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah Andrews cams will absolutely destroy the SE cams everywhere!

[@zardportugal]

S&S stuff is the way to go (for me).

[@GixxerFoo]

They been around a long time and have a lot of R&D in their products.

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

That 475 cam is da bomb, even with a big bore kit. That cam produces a metric shit ton of torque.

[@Soulriderpowder]

U think if I put cam on 117 m8, is it bad for ur engine in long run

[@james4032]

It would have been nice to see a before and after Dyno in the video.

[@Elkslaya1]

I was just quoted $4000 to do a stage 2 on my bike. This is what i have. 22 SGST, 117, TAB 50 cal slip ons and the stock heavy breather air filter. They would put the V&H’s true duals on, a Screaming Eagle tuner and the cam and hopefully adjustable lifters and associated pieces and parts. Does this sound right?

[@GixxerFoo]

With shop labor, buying the exhaust system and tuner plus the cam and associated parts that sounds pretty close especially if you're having it done at the dealer. In my opinion it's a little high since they are I am assuming going to cut your old pushrods out and not have to get into the top end and go back with adjustable pushrods. But if it's a Harley Dealer install I would say 4K is about right, if it was a Indy shop I would do more looking around.

[@Elkslaya1]

Thanks man. Just want to make sure I’m not getting hosed. I bought my first bike 2 years ago so I’m not really familiar with what costs should be on some of this stuff.

[@spokes1355]

This video is like 2 years old but I would like to see the numbers on paper for the stage 2 power and torque cam for the new 2022 117 motors

[@GixxerFoo]

That's not a bad idea, I'll have to make an update and focus on the 117 now that were starting to get those motors outside of the CVO bikes now.

[@spokes1355]

@@GixxerFoo I'm curious because I have the 117 low rider s stage 1 all screaming eagle tuner breather and slip on street cannons. I'm wanting to see the power and torque number because I'm only in month two of owning her and I'm trying to stay in my warranty. That being said I'm leaning se torque cam. If those numbers are no where near the numbers I'm hoping I'm just going to say void it do what I want they ain't funding me a discount on using the parts they twisted my arm into using.

[@keithkohnke]

I have a 2020 ultra limited with stage 1. I've been researching for 2 years now and am looking to upgrade to stage 2 SE power cam and feuling race oil pump/cam plate. Tab A slip on exhaust (SE Pro Tuner done with Stage 1). Dealer master tech said he's installed about 80 percent torque cams vs. power cams. Personally, am looking for power when getting ready to pass when my bike is loaded with passenger and luggage. What are your thoughts? Great content in your videos. TIA

[@GixxerFoo]

I would recommend an aftermarket cam like Wood, S&S or Feuling but if you want to stick with SE l would go the torque cam route. It exceeds or matches the power cam down low where you spend most of your time riding. You'll have the roll on passing power and honestly the torque cam doesn't give up much of anything on top to the power cam.

[@jeff022889]

400 for a CAM? T-shirts are nearing that figure.

[@GixxerFoo]

400 for a cam is about the going rate these days, but at least you get a lot more the money in the aftermarket cams.

[@paulrevere4326]

Zippers for sure!

[@GixxerFoo]

Heck yeah! They make some solid products that make some power!

[@MrDoyle07]

Low end grunt that gets me aggressively ‘at’ the speed limit is way more important to me than meeting all the nice police officers. Young riders seem to talk a lot about the low end torque being for “‘old guys” while they tend to prefer the suggestion of WOT performance; while the “old guys” have had their share of meeting the police and are satisfied with teasing them by looking like we want their attention and just powering into the speed limit. It’s two different kinds of smart. One leaves your insurance rates and fines low while the other makes the insurance salespeople and police glow. Think or pay the system… …that’s a no-brainer for me.

[@Heritagejim5339]

Question: I had a SE torque kit installed, SE tuner, SE air filter and Rinehart Slip-on. I was told they had a map they used from a different bike. I told them I was disappointed about the HP &!Torque so I have a Dyno tune for the 17th of March do you think I’ll feel a difference? I was told by the Master Tech I should feel I big difference. I hope I’m not wasting my money. Thanks😎

[@GixxerFoo]

Dyno tune will make a big difference, every engine is different even if they are identical. A map for identical bike setups will make them run decent and safely, a dyno tune will dial the map into to your specific motor. A good dyno tune even on a stock bike can be 10 horse and torque swing up, you'll feel a difference.

[@leecarter9525]

torque, torque, torque!!!!!!!

[@GixxerFoo]

I really like the torque cam, you get more down low and it's splitting hairs on top next to that power cam.

[@M_J_Glide_22]

Just wanted to ask a couple of questions....I have a 2022 SgS with a Arlen Ness 90 degree air filter tab performance slip one....if I want to do a stage 2 screaming eagle upgrade with cam and tuner, do I need to do a full exhaust.....I'm not looking for stupid speed and Dyno numbers...I am looking for a nice Butt Dyno...to wake the bike up a bit....just trying to save a little money.

[@loosewheel75]

Never heard of adjustable pushrods just coming loose. Just doesn’t happen.

[@GixxerFoo]

The guys over at Hammer Performance aren't huge fans of them but they sell them lol. They've had some break but that was with some extreme cams, I've had some reservations about going with a set of them. The ease and convenience is really appealing though with not having to pull the valve covers and relieve spring pressure to swap out cams each time.

[@ronwhite1642]

Only when you get in to the 600s on the lift i had a evo the i had to ajust ounces a month 👍

[@colinmanion4988]

I see you have not listed new Headers on your bike, interested why. I just bought a new Road King 107 M8, I did a Full Stage 1 including Jackpot M8 2 half Ceramic Coated Headers, ( Gotta get rid of those chocking Cats), Vance and Hines Hi Output slip ons, M8 SE High Flow Air Cleaner, Dynojet Power Vision Tuning Licence at at its first service will put it on the Dyno but am considering a Stage 2 Torque Kit. While still new I will stick with what keeps bike OK for Warranty issues if something happens. I am in New Zealand so we do not have emission issues. I really want the bike to generate the power that its born to have without getting to silly. Interested to hear if you would change anything...Cheers and beers

[@GixxerFoo]

The setup you have sounds like the way to go! I prefer the torque cam myself since it has way more low.and mid range, comes on way earlier too. Not only that it's very close to the power cam on top.

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

Those are great parts, but not for a Stage I, II, or III build. The M8 motor needs back pressure in the exhaust system. Removing the cat and having stepped exhaust pipes eliminates all back pressure. What you've done is brought down the performance in the range you ride in by about 25%, while increasing the top HP number by about 10%. If you were to put your bike on a dyno, you'd see a huge dip in torque in the low end, and when you ride you'll find the engine wakes up above 3500 or 4000 RPM, but just doesn't want to move the bike at lower RPM. V&H makes dB killers for the Hi-Output exhausts. Get those, it will recover most of the low end performance you've lost with this setup, and they're not that expensive, probably around 150 NZD. You'll find your bike will become a lot more responsive.

[@GixxerFoo]

If you want to be loud or you're drag racing taking out the baffles in for open pipes is great. But it kills that bottom end like you said. For the street l like the standard baffles, it's a good compromise.

[@colinmanion4988]

@@bloodymarvelous4790 Hmmm I have the figures...sorry its been a while but I am a long distance trucker. They used SE8-447 Cam, Jackpot2-1-2 Headers and V7Hines Hi-Output Mufflers. It has the base map as required and was dynoed after they put in the Cam Max Torque before was 107.38@engine rpm of 3.78 after 109.80@3.63 Max Power before was 91.53 @Engine rpm 5.27 after 97.92 @ 5.39 Figures seem low but torque increase is very noticeable When I bought the bike new I had all the usual Stage 1 kit installed, jackpot M8 2/1/2 Ceramic Coated S/S Headers, V&Hines Pipes, S/S High Flow Air Cleaner, Dynojet Power Vision Tuning Licence etc and the only addition at first service was installing the 447 Torque cam All work completed by harley Dealer

[@colinmanion4988]

@@bloodymarvelous4790 Hi, wondering why you thought I have stuffed the engine with what I put on, in no way did I reduce any power at all, complete opposite...always interesting to see what other do

[@stevenhollis418]

2019 Road King @ Stage 1. Do I have to change head pipes for Stage 2?

[@GixxerFoo]

Not at all, it is just a cam install and everything else will remain in place.

[@paulhorvath9784]

The touring Bikes have the Cat in the Header and although you don't Have to replace them you would Help the Power but Also Cooling of the bike.

[@GixxerFoo]

Getting that cat out of there does wonders for power and especially the heat.

[@vincentmcclain9307]

I did do a complete exhaust and the difference is HUGE much cooler at every because the blacked out motor and exhaust chrome I believe holds heat but you will get the full benefit of a stage 2 with a FULL exhaust system

[@GixxerFoo]

You also eliminate the cats in their too going with the full system. More expensive but well worth it.

[@Axl_colts]

I heard the power cam gives it more of a lope....

[@GixxerFoo]

It likely would as it is a higher lift and duration, it keeps the valves open longer so that would make sense.

[@oswardg15]

Are those camshafts availables for EVO engines? To be exactly on sportster?

[@GixxerFoo]

These are only for the big twin M8, but l have a video covering Sportster cams m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5q6ZYOfgLd1rpo

[@normanmatura6769]

🙄Not only do you have to buy the kit and have it installed at Harley-Davidson You have to buy the Harley-Davidson screamin eagle tuner You have to buy Harley-Davidson screamin eagle exhaust system or they will void your warranty Even if you put aftermarket mufflers on it, it will avoid you warranty 😳 So just getting cams put in by Harley doesn't save you from #them voiding your warranty..😲😔

[@GixxerFoo]

A lot of that depends on the dealership as well. You can put an aftermarket exhaust on, but you would have to tune it with the Screamin Eagle Street Tuner. If you flashed it with an aftermarket tuner and had an engine problem it's easier to say the tuner was the cause. It's really a tough call, but safe to either buy Harley parts or wait till the warranty is up.

[@quomofo1]

Had a stage 2 torque cam installed in my 107 Heritage recently. I was told by Harley Corp after I made a phone call that my V&H slip-ons would NOT void my warranty. They said they were only really concerned with the tuner. My HD Dealership has already begun installing V&H Eliminator 300’s on all their new 2020 Heritage Softails. If it voided the warranty there’s no way they would do this.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome to hear! Some dealers are telling people that if they use anything that's not Harley warranty is void. Even going as far as saying it has to be done at the dealer. You just have to use their tuner or your warranty is definitely voided.

[@quomofo1]

GixxerFoo As a matter of fact the guys at Thundering Harley in Albuquerque we’re trying to get me to use another tuner because they themselves said that the SE tuner is basically garbage. It was a tuner called the direct link by Techno Research. But I didn’t want to risk it from Corp.

[@paulhorvath9784]

I'd also keep the Eliminators on my 114 Fxlrs and OEM heavy breather as its good for 120 bhp and M8's Love Back pressure. One HD shop Highly Recommends Power Vision and keeps warranty.

[@cdnrider6200]

wouldnt you change the oil pump while doing a stage two?

[@GixxerFoo]

It wouldn't be a bad idea while you're already in there, upgrade the cam plate too. But it's not a required thing to do, but it makes sense while it's all right there.

[@ut1004bp]

@@GixxerFoo And Cam Bearing!!!..then lifter Cuffs!!

[@tyroneshoelace4872]

Just to help the community... The real and correct info. on cams is this; 1. Cost will be $2,000.00 + $1,000.00 for pipes. 2. only certain pipes will work with cams. 3. The "void your warranty" issue was debunked a while ago. 4. There is more than "where the power comes on" of a difference between torq. & pwr. cams. They sound different too. 5. There are other parts suggested with can upgrade beyond what he mentions in this video.

[@jeffreycarroll5920]

Can’t beat S&S! Whatever way you go, if you want that M8 bike to last, get that stock junk Out of that cam compartment!

[@GixxerFoo]

I have agree, S&S puts a lot of R&D in and they manufacture quality. It's sticky on the warranty with Harley, but definetely S&S. Lol l'd even say S&S knows more about Harley than the factory.

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

Dude, a 475 cam with an S&S pump and plate, and S&S lifters. Can't ask for much more than that.

[@mitch2519]

I called HD to ask specific questions about dealer installation and the effect on the warranty. Based on what I have read and heard, I was surprised to be told that having the dealer install a SE Stage 2 kit would not ensure warranty coverage on a later failure, if HD deemed the cause of the failure was the Stage 2 upgrade. According to the service person I spoke with at HD, the only way to ensure warranty coverage on any SE stage upgrade is to have it done within 60 days of purchasing the bike. I followed up and asked "To be clear, whether or not I install the SE Stage 2 kit, or an HD dealer installs it, there is no difference as to whether or not a future warranty claim might be denied due to the installation of a Stage upgrade.....Is that correct?" And there answer was "Yes, that is correct." At that point I asked....."Then why should an owner be concerned about only using HD parts versus after-market parts, or be concerned about having a dealer perform the work?". The service person responded that there is no 100% certainty to HD warranty claims beyond the 60 day window, on motorcycles that have been modified. HD will review every warranty claim, collect all of the facts, and make a determination. If they come to a conclusion that whatever was done to the bike outside of that 60 day window had an impact on the failure that prompted the warranty claim, they very possibly and likely will deny the warranty claim.......... There is a LOT of misunderstanding and misinformation on warranty provisions and claims. I would suggest all owners make themselves very familiar with the Magnuson-Moss Act. A good understanding of your rights will certainly help. However, if a warranty claim is denied, ultimately it could come down to whether or not the owner is willing to take legal action against a manufacturer, and thereby spend a LOT of time and money with the hopes of collecting on a warranty claim. Hope this is helpful.

[@GixxerFoo]

Harley give you 1 year warranty all parts installed after 60 days of delivering. Getting all you upgrades done within 60 days is the only way to guarantee you warranty on the bike all the parts for 2 years or the extended warranty. Sadly a lot of times the dealer eats the cost to make it right with the customer if something happens. A dealer will make the repairs and send it to Harley, it may get denied and the customer never knows about it. That's what a good dealer does in a lot of cases.

[@kellyhalteman4439]

I would call a few different dealerships and look at your manufacturer warranty, as I had my HP cam installed and fully covered under warranty.

[@mitch2519]

@@kellyhalteman4439 To be clear. I don't have a warranty claim, or a problem with my dealer. In reading through the HD warranty it was unclear as to whether or not having a dealer install the Stage 2 kit would absolutely be covered under the HD warranty. The answer is "No"......Unless you have the dealer install the kit within 60 days of purchasing the motorcycle, any upgrades are not absolutely covered under the HD warranty. Example......If the dealer installed the Stage 2 kit and later an engine problem developed, if HD determines the cause of the failure was attributed to the installation of the Stage 2 kit, outside of the 60 day window, then HD could, potentially deny the warranty claim to repair the engine........That is straight from a HD customer service rep at HD's corporate office in Milwaukee.

[@thomasandrewphd.5844]

I have an 18 breakout114 with a stage 1. I would do a torque cam for sure. I shift and ride in 3 to 4k im just a cruiser but I love the feeling of torque, that pull when you roll onto the throttle... this is what got me hooked on Harley.

[@GixxerFoo]

Me too! I love that power way down low, I used to ride a GSX-R 1000 and a Harley would pull me off the line every time. A 114 break out? I bet that's a blast to ride! A torque cam in that would completely change that bikes personality with as light as they are.

[@kiwiredbeard7632]

mate , millions of miles have been done on adjustable push rods , they're safe as houses , just nip them up tight they'll be right

[@GixxerFoo]

Definitely saves time and money money on the install not having to pull the valve covers and relieve spring pressure.

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

Probably one of the best overviews of the stage 2. The torque kit for me as I like to ride 2 up and it will help

[@Hhhhhgggihgdd]

At what rpm's does the screamin eagle tourqe cam pull the best ?

[@curtisthompson5134]

2021 Road King Special 114. Just got done having a stage 2 torque cam installed. The dyno came out to 105 horsepower and 119 foot pounds of torque. Rinehart slimline duals, with Khrome Werks 4 1/2" mufflers. And a Screamin Eagle tuner.

[@GixxerFoo]

Very nice numbers! Those M8's respond so well to cams, it's crazy the kinda power they gain with just a cam swap.

[@jaseysmith1629]

If you do the stage II kit with a full exhaust and proper tune it’ll definitely make a difference that’s instantly felt!!

[@AussieFloydFan2012]

Going with the torque cam kit this week. Within 60 days of purchase, all under warranty. Under 700 miles and a bunch of rewards points will make this mod a no brainer. I'm a warranty junkie, otherwise I might lean towards the Zipper or S&S mod with maybe a thunder tuner. All for under $1300. Can't wait to see what I get. '21 Heritage Softail FLHCS

[@GixxerFoo]

It's hard to beat a good warranty and the rewards points are a great bonus!

[@paulg5835]

I’m about to do the same before my 60 days is up. How is it? Is the difference noticeable?

[@AussieFloydFan2012]

@@paulg5835 I think If you ride enough before the cam change, you'll notice it more. I had less than 700 miles on but yes, I did notice the difference. I rarely downshift to pass someone unless I'm under probably 1600 rpm in any gear. My gas mileage was only affected for a few rides..I liked snapping throttle and feeling the extra torque. I still like the feel, I just don't play with it as much. Gas mileage hasn't really changed much for me. Love the loping sound better than before the cam change. There's a difference and I love it! Cost was around $1100 @ HD. Peace of mind all under warranty. That all helped me make my decision a bit easier. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Oh..and I also went with the black pushrod tubes instead of the chrome. Kind of a sleeper. No one has noticed the difference yet.. 😉

[@paulg5835]

@@AussieFloydFan2012 Thanks a lot. I really appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences. . I’m been driving myself crazy trying to figure put what l want to do and times running out for my 60 days.

[@WO2GSCOTT]

Harley have use adjustable pushrods for years and I have never heard of them come loss

[@GixxerFoo]

I wouldn't be too worried about using them unless you're running some extreme cams and insane compression. They really aren't a bad idea unless your taking the bike to the track and banging on it really hard.

[@inmyownstateofmind144]

I've never lost mine either. They usually stay right there on the bike. That is until some asshole decides to take a pair of bolt cutters to them.

[@charlesstatkus]

I have the extended warrantee on my M8 107 FXLR. I went with the dealer installed SE Torque cam, the hiflow metal intake manifold and auto tuner with the large oxygen sensors after I did the Stage 1 with the hiflow intake filter and SE Street Cannons. Ended up with 97.16 HP and 104.98 Torque. That was a bit disappointing but what surprised me was the Torque graph. It was about 95 at the bottom end and 85 at the top end with peak (104.98) at about 3400 rpm. That was pretty flat across the dyno graph!

[@GixxerFoo]

That's not bad at all for the torque cam, you went all out on that build with the wide band system too!

[@MrMann-gt1eh]

Why did this piece of metal not come in the bike?

[@GixxerFoo]

🤷‍♂️ should of come stock. But their marketing structure brings dealers business and keeps parts and service operating after the sale l suppose.

[@billbalyx8799]

Have a 2018 FLTRU which I bought new. Put in a stage 2 with "power cam" at 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles) also have SE slip-ons and tuned with SE pro street tuner. I ride around 2800 to 3200rpm 90% of the time, It's seen 6200 rpm numerous times and from 4000 rpm on up you know where "Screaming Eagle" came from, unbelievable. I can go 260 miles to a tank, looking for gas at 250, lol. so about 43-45 mpg. (I have got 50 mpg when steady interstate driving all day) I ride 95% highway miles so didn't need the torque cam for block to block dashes. Haven't had any issues with the bike mechanically wise, did have the oil pump kit put in with the cam upgrade, no sumping issues, very little blow by (you could hardly see the misty substance in the breather) but I put a Trask M8 transmission cover this spring so we'll see if that makes any difference. Bike has 87,000kms/54,000 miles on it. Love it forgot to say I had the cat taken out also.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome, you have that bike setup just right for what you do with it! Don't see many power cams installed but since you ride on the highway that's perfect for what you. You'll like that Trask transmission cover, that will help with the blow by and reduce the crank case pressure!

[@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234]

Its a shame you have to spend so much to get it to run well.

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah it's one of those things that should come stock, they don't run bad at all stock though too.

[@TUCKANDROLLE]

Stock is fantastic for some , others like to change . It's a passion .

[@TheRicokilla]

Honestly speaking, SE parts should just be installed as factory settings in all HD bikes. If its still within the emission compliance range, then why doesn’t HD do it?? They’re just giving out weak bikes for a reason, so that the rider ops for SE parts, and that is extra profit for HD.

[@GixxerFoo]

I completely agree, that's their marketing structure though. That may have to change in the future though.

[@jimbeam4111]

I have. ‘19 rgs 114. I went with the power cam. It has a shit ton of power and tq from idle to redline. It’s pretty fast for a Harley. I ride mostly two up. I debated heavily with the tq cam. Why I choose the power cam over the tq cam is the M8 seemed to fall flat around 3500 rpm. So the goal was to even out the power band without sacrificing too much low end. Seat of the pants, I didn’t lose anything on the low end. In fact I gained low end as well as it pulls hard to redline.

[@GixxerFoo]

Seat of the pants is the way to judge it! That's some awesome insight, l think you're the first to comment that went with power cam. Sounds like you really paid attention to the bike and it paid off!

[@bennyg7506]

Damn! You got me considering the power cam now rather than the torque

[@scottfitzsimons7660]

Just bought a 19sgs with stg1 breather and stg2 power cam SE street tuner and stock exhaust it's a 114 huge difference from my stock 107 sg,

[@mymm6327]

I may just do the power cam since for my new experience the Ultra has a bit too much torque as it is, and scary if you make a throttle mistake at low speeds! Well the only graph out there in all cams I've seen start higher torque than stock, except the SE which , at least on the graph is lower tan stock. Since my main reason (well sound too) is passing power and I don';t mind downshifting at all it seems the Power Cam is what is at! Saw the cam video GixxerFoo has and did contact Customer cycle Rama, their 470 they have it as "coming in" at 2800 rpm, but I can't see any graph what is the starting torque right after idle which is my concern!

[@trex860]

Hi Gixxer, if I replace my stock cam with a torque cam, can I reuse the stock pushrods?

[@kowal789]

Just picked up my brand new 23’ heritage 114 with the stage 2 power cam and 2-1 rinehart. I wasn’t worried about the numbers or needing to shift on the highway to pass, I was more concerned about how badly I needed to dog it by staying close to the mid range for break-in. I am absolute FLOORED by how much get up and go this bike has compared to the stock one I test rode. Perhaps for lots of 2up, get the TQ cam. But considering I’ve maybe broke 3k rpm’s after the short first 35 miles I rode today, I can’t even imagine what this thing is gonna feel like and how it’s going to sound when I can start opening it up

[@GixxerFoo]

I personally prefer the torque cam for the fact that the top end it really doesn't give up much to the power cam at all. But it absolutely stomps the power cam in the low and mid range where you're typically going to spend most of your time riding on the street.

[@MichaelSmith-sz7kf]

I ride hard & shift late, 4-5k range in almost every gear, choose power cam. My question is I’m looking for just a lil more power. Is stage 3 or 4 worth it, don’t really have $5k+ for stage 4, I believe 3 is a lil. Cheaper. Bike is still under warranty 2019 Street Glide Special. Will I have “stumping” issues like people say. I ride a lot on highway so 80-9ph is common?? Thanks for anyone who responds

[@GixxerFoo]

The stage 3 is a great setup to with, it's a lot cheaper than the stage 4 and the 4 valve heads of teh M8 perform really well. The Stage 3 adds quite a bit to the bike in the RPM range you ride in, stage 4 adds more in that rpm range but cost a lot more. They do have a fix now for the sumping issue you mentioned, if you have it done at the dealer they should fix that for you while they are in the motor.

[@vbadbee9123]

18' low rider. power cam, screaming eagle air cleaner, fab28 pipe. tt tuner dyno tuned 109hp 114tq. Runs good but could use just a little more low end response.

[@GixxerFoo]

The power cam does dip a little on the bottom, but it definently makes up for it on top.

[@dennism103]

I did the stage 2 & the torque cam and rineharts & its amazing!

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah it is! My buddy has 2018 Street Glide Special with the 107, full Rinehart exhasut and the stage 2. That bike frickin runs hard now!

[@williamreynolds9698]

Which rinehart exhaust did you put on?

[@morrisdennis]

@@williamreynolds9698 / because so many ppl I talked 2 recommended them , they sound good but not to loud...

[@stephensheridan7318]

Getting a stage 2 installed now on a 2019 107 breakout. Went with the hp cam.

[@GixxerFoo]

Almost everyone l've talked to has gone with the torque, let me know what you think of that power cam. It didn't look like it gave up much down, curious to see what you think.

[@JMercyMuzik]

yes please respond and let us know

[@stephensheridan7318]

Sorry as I just got this notification. Funny I traded it in for a road glide special but the bike ripped! My buddy has the torque cam and I did have more hp and the torque number was pretty close.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

According to Dyno records, the best cam from HD is the Torque cam. The power cam drops too much low end, but doesnt trade enough high end. IT only works for stage 4 builds. SE447 comes on early, and carries almost the whole way through, with a smart tune pro SE tuner setup. If im going for a cam upgrade though, I wouldnt go with the HD cam, simply because there's more power per dollar in aftermarket cams, and aftermarket tuners. Also if you're going to do a Cam upgrade, you need a high capasity cam Bearing, and new Lifters(Tappets). ALWAYS use brand new tappets when you put in a new cam. The tappets and Cam need to break in together.

[@GixxerFoo]

Oh yeah no doubt aftermarket is the way to go unless your concerned about keeping your warranty. I agree with on the tappets, I've heard both ways on just swapping cam or swapping tappets and cam. Personally I would change the tappets with the cam.

[@brianbaroo7706]

Power per dollar? Have you actually priced an aftermarket cam install and tune? I did! $2300 without upgrading the oil pump because mines a 19 1/2 but 17's, 18's and most 19's will have to. Torque cam $800 out the door warranty intact! Ty

[@LatinoRider]

I personally prefer the Torque kit, great video sir!

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! I was really surprised that the torque kit made horsepower that was so close to the power kit.

[@antoniobrown3219]

('18 SGS) I think I'm gonna go Torque Cam. I rarely go above 4K rpm's and when I do, it's only for a short burst to pass, so I guess this is the best option for my riding style.. When I did the Stage 1 I did not change the headers so I'm going to have those done too. Head Pipes to complete the Stage 1, and the Torque Cam option for the Stage 2. Im not sure if I will need a re-tune but if so I still have my Pro Street Tuner from before, I'll just have to pay for the re-map. ✌🏾

[@GixxerFoo]

You'll for sure want to return your bike for those changes, that torque cam in my opinion is the way to go. It makes more down low and really doesn't give up anything to the power cam on top.

[@bebopredux]

I went S2 on my ‘21 Sport Glide. SE Ventilator, SE Torque Cam, SE Tuner, Rinehart slip on. Before the mods my SG was gasping. It seemed that anything above 2700 RPM was too much. The mods completely transformed the bike. I was most surprised about how I could really get on it. I’m not one that really wants to go into triple digits. At least not on my 700lb bike. The most fun is between 55-80. I’ve put about 6k on it since. It’s only appeared to get better. The exhaust is sublime. The last thousand miles…. I don’t know why or how but…..my bike was now roaring! It really is thrilling to ride now. I don’t go for apes or floorboards, I even ride with the sport fairing off. Everything is stock otherwise. Fits me perfectly. I even get a good 45 MPG! I’m sure I’ll end up being tempted to make other mods but, I’m so freakin’ happy with how it rides and sounds. Twisties? Yup. Post apex punch coming out of a nice 45 mph curve in 3rd gear? With my heel dragging on the pavement? 😊

[@lavery0365]

I doing Stage 2 TORQUE CAM and I'm looking forward to it!

[@GixxerFoo]

Be sure to let us know what you think after you get it done! It's gonna run hard for sure!

[@125saito]

In my 2018 Road King 107 I have the Red Shift 468 cam, S&S 2-1 no cat exhaust, DK 587 air breather and Powervision tuner. Also a new current production HD oil pump.102 HP and 113 torque.

[@GixxerFoo]

That 468 cam is awesome, we put one in my friends 2018 SGS with a 107. It sounds and runs damn good!

[@james4032]

wow

[@lavery0365]

Very informative, I have the 19 Roadglide Special & my HD dealer just gave me a priceless deal on the Stage 2 that I cannot refuse. I'm moreso into the Torque Cam so I'll let them know this am so that I can start the process. Your video clarifies the few questions that I had in reference to Stage 2, thx a bunch, keep up the great work!

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you l appreciate it! The cam swap on the M8 is well worth it with the power gains. I am more into the torque cam myself, it doesn't give up much if anything on top to the power cam. Let me know how it does in your bike!

[@jameshorton6417]

MY dealer just offered a Stage 2 package with labor for $799. I'm thinking about it. I have a 2020 Road Glide Special (114) with 4.5 Rineharts. Doing a Stage 1 Air Cleaner and Screaming Eagle Racing Tuner on the same trip to the dealer.

[@GixxerFoo]

Now that's honestly a deal! Especially from dealer with install and everyting!

[@jameshorton6417]

@@GixxerFoo But, I didnt previously have a tuner, so that was an additional $255 and High Flow air cleaner $155 and labor to tune it all.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's still not too bad, usually installation alone is was you'll be paying out the door. Are you going with the power or torque cam?

[@thanosetsitty1896]

My dealership told me to do this upgrade on the engine at the dealership within 60 days of purchase and warranty will cover it completely. And after 60 days, warranty doesn’t cover it. Is this true?

[@GixxerFoo]

Yes if you do it within 60 days of purchase it's covered under the factory warranty or extended warranty if you bought one. Outside of 60 days it's one year parts and labor only.

[@james4032]

torque cam for me

[@GixxerFoo]

That's the way to go in my opinion. It gives you way more in the areas you ride most and really doesn't give up much to the power cam on top.

[@charleyrider9775]

Dropped off my Softail Deluxe today. Getting the stage 2 torque cam, high flow air cleaner, vance and hines eliminater 300 mufflers and screamin eagle tuner installed. Yes I could have gone aftermarket but I like having a warranty to fall back on should things go bad. When it runs out of warranty in 4 years I might do something different.

[@GixxerFoo]

It's gonna be like a whole new bike when you get it back! I would of went with the Screamin Eagle Tuner under warranty too, good call on that! Don't want to void your warranty especially if you bought the extended warranty.

[@charleyrider9775]

@@GixxerFoo lol, I purchased it new 7 weeks ago and decided to do the upgrade and get comfortable with it while I'm breaking the motor in. Curious to see how it runs compared to my Fatboy S.

[@GixxerFoo]

It should run cooler than the TC 110, that should be interesting see. You'll have to let me know how it compares your 110.

[@jamesgargano8812]

I want to install the Woods WM8 22XE. Look at the gains that offers over stock!

[@GixxerFoo]

It is incredible power gains on an M8, we're talking the horsepower and torque levels you see with some of the Screamin Eagle Stage 4 kits.

[@applicator40usa69]

I did the stage 2 torque cam, screamin eagle breather,street tuner and 4.5" krome Werks slip ons. It's like a whole different bike. Runs and sounds great. Now I also just added a Vance and Hines power duals head pipe. Wow, the sound is awesome now. For my riding style. I'm good to go. And I keep my dependability of the bike. I hardly ever go over 4500 rpm.

[@GixxerFoo]

Torque cam is would be my choice too, it runs right there with the power cam and difference on top is only marginal. Sounds like you have one hell of a nice setup on your bike 👍.

[@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe]

I' just bought a 2021 Road glide limited, putting Vance n Hines power duals head pipe just like my 103 twin cam had which had great sound n performance, but this time instead of vance n hines high output slip ons, I'm going to try the reinhart slip ons first because the back came new from the dealership with them, and I'm also going to go with the horse power cam instead of the Torque because I know set up this way running two up on the highway I have more power band to pass with at 70 and I twist the throttle to pass or run away from other traffic n find my own piece of the highway, lots of our runs we take back roads twisting thhru hills n curves eat dinner then jump on the highway and race back home a hr or two, plus Im wanting to do some longer week n weekend trips the next couple yrs, if not happy with power cam,when warranty is up, its getting a woods cam or the s n s 475 cam and Im fine with this choice, I want to try something a bit different here most are going with torque which i want to really do the power n report back the difference when ever I get my bike from the dealer n get to ride this season or next if road salt or brine doesnt get rinsed off by rain, dry clear road in winter I have been known to ride all year when able too

[@bassreaper2814]

Been reading up see what everyone’s thoughts are on both cams I just did the power cam with vance n Hines big radius on my 117 breakout love it! Feel I gained off bottom and lot more on top it’s like I have an extra gear now!

[@Info-Med]

Got stage 2 last Tuesday, SE Torque cam plus new SE oil pump version #4, Rinehart inverted air cleaner and slipons, sound great and what a difference From stage 1. Will never Buy a Harley without stage 2 from now on.

[@blakedarbey8879]

I have the 2019 Heritage Classic, (stage 2 power, with 3.5 rineharts & heavy breather), runs like a dream and can hear it in the next town over.

[@GixxerFoo]

I bet your bike sounds good with the rineharts and cam, love the heavy breather. I run one myself too, what cam did you go with?

[@blakedarbey8879]

GixxerFoo went with the power cam

[@blakedarbey8879]

@@jakeg3758 Hi Jake, Mine was 107, and I had the power cams fitted straight from the box when I bought it, however, I have tested both 114 & 107 as stock and the power cams give you a big boost the whole way through, 2&3 gear granted have the most pull, 4&5 steady increase but still heaps of go if your sitting on the right RPM, 6 obviously perfect for cruise and I have never needed to down shift over taking as there is still plenty of throttle,

[@blakedarbey8879]

@@jakeg3758 well I don’t hear shit now with my pipes lol, I don’t feel any lag in first at all , all go

[@Seventurns9]

@@blakedarbey8879 LOL Awesome. I'd love to see a video of your bike idling. There is hardly any videos of M8 Heritages with SE cams on KZbin. Any chance you can post one? Thanks for all your responses. Merry Christmas

[@Ride_on54]

I’ve done some research and I’m going S&S all the way and going with a whole chest kit including the pump and all the other bits and pieces that comes with it no sumping for me 👍

[@GixxerFoo]

Sounds great! S&S makes an excellent upgrade for that M8!

[@keshavamiller9203]

I just put D&D exhaust, 2 tuners and the power cam on my 2021 CVO Street Glide. My HD dealership said they had no option other than the power cam since CVOs didn't have a tune for the Torque Cam. My bike sounds amazing. The power actually starts kicking in about 2300 RPMs so it isn't just on the top end but there is big gains the higher it goes. Overall, I am happy with the sound and upgraded power. I cannot tell you if it is exhaust that really makes the difference, but they work well together.

[@Steven1Cicero]

Myself I spent $2500.00 on a stock 2004 softail standard with a 103 and any time I feel like my 107 softail doesn't have enough power I jump on the 2004 and take a spin, Then when I get back on my stock 2020 softail standard with the 107 it feels like a rocket ship, Best $2500.00 dollars I have spent and I never have to worry about a voided warrantee.

[@mauricemurphy3366]

109 hp. 134 tor. With tab zombies 475 cam

[@GixxerFoo]

That's some impressive numbers on a cam swap!

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

I'm getting a Stage II Torque kit on my new RKS, with the Heavy Breather Extreme-Flow, and V&H Power Duals with Hi-Output mufflers. Curious to see what numbers that will produce.

[@GixxerFoo]

With that nice free flowing exhaust l wouldn't be surprised if you surpass the advertised numbers easily. Let me know what you come up with!

[@vincentmcclain9307]

I have a well trusted service writer who was part of my other builds with a 2 into 1 exhaust he said 101 hp 120 tq with the SE torque cam with the Roadglide S I now have the stretched bags with a single pipe looks bad on a standard it’s fine I ran a pro pipe on my last build LOUD so I did a vance & Hines power dual knowing I was leaving some tennies on the table but it’s a good looking system sounds like a vtwin and runs really nice I think the whole thing was just under 4000. For 20 hp ok in today’s world the pro street tuner with smart tune was 500. But no DYNO needed I might after the warranty but at 63 really nice runner instant power, smooth quiet

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

@@GixxerFoo I nixed the H-D Stage II and the V&H exhaust. Decided to go for a Fuel Moto Stage III with a Wood 22X-E cam and Jackpot pipes. Since it will void the warranty I had to upgrade a whole bunch of stuff on the motor, which inflated the price. Many parts may be overkill, but I wouldn't want to risk an engine rebuild on my own dollar, so pretty much the whole top end of the engine, and the primary are getting replaced. I'm only leaving the heads, valves, crank, and gearbox stock. Everything else gets an upgrade. Lots of Feuling & S&S parts with a Dark Horse comp, Barnett clutch, and Dynojet tuning. Expected numbers are between 140-150 ft lb and 130-140 hp.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's exactly what you have to do when you're avoiding your warranty to upgrade. Do it all and do it right, you have one of a build 👍.

[@tyroneshoelace4872]

Question for anyone; do different torque cams have different sounds?

[@GixxerFoo]

I would have to say yes, it may not be totally obvious to some but with different cam profiles some will have a harder lope than others.

[@meezsick7606]

I just booked an appointment with Harley

[@GixxerFoo]

Nice! You'll love the cam swap, it will be like a whole new bike!

[@hondanut7564]

Wow so cheap !!!! compared to Australia, my dealer is running a "special " on cam upgrades close to $2000 AUD including oil

[@GixxerFoo]

Damn that's expensive down there! The parts are a lot cheaper here in the US for sure.

[@hondanut7564]

@@GixxerFoo To expensive here mate !!

[@oldninjarider]

I went red shift 468 and an S&S cam plate & pump. It really woke up the bike.

[@GixxerFoo]

I bet that woke it up, any idea what kind of power your pulling now? Did you go with a gear driven cam or stay with the chain drive?

[@chrisquas4113]

I’m waiting for warranty to be up and I’m pretty sure I’m going with the 468 as well.

[@GixxerFoo]

Waiting on the warranty is a pain... l took a calculated risk with mine lol.

[@revo.lution1749]

Okay so my bike did have a sumping problem and the motor basically grenaded before and after they put a new motor in I ran/ run a torque cam to keep the warranty kosher I have slim line duals pipes and SE air breather se tuner and hd smart tuner, I had it dynoed at Sturgis last year and came up with 85 horsepower 110 foot pounds of torque. Now my warranty is over I'm going to go with the redshift and hopefully get my hundred horsepower that I've wanted. I'm not sure how much difference there will be but I've already bought the redshift cam next purchase will be the S&S cam plate and pump. I do really like the torque cam but it sounds like the 468 is going to be much better and I'm doing that oil pump and cam plate just knowing that it's a better setup for peace of mind because I can't afford to replace a motor.

[@GixxerFoo]

I am sorry to hear that about your bike, that's happened to a lot of people. Adam Sandoval (Scootin America) had that happen to his bike too. It sounds like you're doing all the right things to prevent it! Updating that cam plate is the best thing you can do 👍.

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

Oh, you'll notice a difference. That RS468 is a beast of a torque cam. Sure, your HP will break the 100 barrier, but your torque will break the 120. That S&S plate & pump is a masterpiece of engineering. No more sumping for you, plus it'll cool the motor's operating temp by a good couple of degrees.

[@GixxerFoo]

You have to love the aftermarket, if th factory did it right they wouldn't exist.

[@STAYHUMBLE302]

What’s your thoughts on past warranty but already have se tuner and stage one with big sucker and tbr should I go with se torque cam or spend way more and get a new tuner and woods cam I feel like I just need more power off the line but it to be noticeable will the se torque came make my 107 fxbb feel like a new bike ??!!!

[@GixxerFoo]

If you're going with the SE stuff, I would go for the torque cam all day long. Blows the power cam out of the water down low and gives up nearly nothing on top.

[@STAYHUMBLE302]

@@GixxerFoo will I for sure notice a difference even with the se tourqe cam and se tuner

[@STAYHUMBLE302]

@@GixxerFoo even with the se tuner and se touqe cam I will definitely feel a difference in power down low and tourqe of the line !?!? Thank you by the way for getting back to me

[@white_devil73]

Wood Knight Prowler 22x cam in my 20 Breakout 114 with a tune. Worth every penny.

[@sasca854]

You can't really go wrong either way; both are a substantial upgrade from stock and it would honestly probably be pretty hard to tell them apart by the seat of your pants. If I were riding back up in Portland where traffic moves at 55-60MPH, then it'd be torque cam all day every day. Down here in Phoenix, however, I feel like I'd actually lean toward the power cam. Traffic moves around 80 on city highways and 90+ on interstates. At those speeds on a 107, the torque cam will be starting to fall asleep and the power cam will just be waking up. Since I don't have any problems with how even a stock M8 makes power down low, I feel like having some extra breath while cruising so I can get around the knuckleheads down here would be more beneficial. Just depends on where you need power, I guess!

[@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe]

you nailed it right there plenty of low end Torque already no problem at all with me riding 2 up a lot, but at the end of some twisty two lane roads if its late or im on a road trip i will go for the power cam so I can stretch my legs and run with the big boys down the interstate n not be stuck on the porch

[@ericnuernberg3901]

Thanks for the video and education 👍🍺

[@GixxerFoo]

You're welcome, l hope it helped deciding on which cam to choose! I was surprised the torque cam really didn't give up much at all on top compared to the power cam.

[@tabathasaint9533]

i have 2019 fxdr 114 with bassani road rage2 exhaust and tuner works well making 96 hp at wheel thinking of using screamin eagle torque cam thanks for your help on video

[@GixxerFoo]

That's a sweet bike, it's a shame they are dropping that model. That torque cam will really wake that bike! Damn 96 at the real wheel is frickin awesome with exhaust and tuner alone.

[@michaelmitchell5909]

You should run the s&s 475 cam with the s&s cam plate and oil pump....excellent parts

[@inmyownstateofmind144]

Wtf. Bolt cutters? What kinda shit is that?

[@GixxerFoo]

It's a lot cheaper and quicker than disassembly of the rocker box, which require removing the tank. That's a lot of labor that adds up pretty quick, but just cutting the solid push rods and going back with adjustable push rods gets you back on the road very quickly and efficiently.

[@ut1004bp]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OEM and the screamin eagle mufflers are not "catalized", but the cat is at the head pipe. And bad idea to only change the cam..that POS hd cam bearing should always be replaced with a quality bearing...i did and was my first major mod on a bike, also added the Se-447 torque cam, and also added the S&S cam plate & oil pump, cnc lifter cuffs, wood's lifters, and quickie push rods with a Power Vision tuner and custom tune..my first ride felt as I gained at least 12- 15hp, and 15lbs of torque..and was better behaved than stock at take off..only very slightly more noticeable valve train noise in my 2020 Road King..tomorrow I'll be able to check fuel mileage differences and high rpm and high speed mannors..but it seems totally happy with my existing catless head pipes and Vance & Hines 4.5 Titans and HD Breakout air box up to 75+ thus far. Exhaust with baffles installed is not annoying loud either. I also have a Wood's 22XE cam here to use, but I'm glad I choose to install the Se-447 instead..seems easy to tune, lots of predictable power off idle, feeling just as the published torque curve shape show's. Couldn't be happier thus far. I'll save the Wood's 22XE for my Street Glide stage 2 project coming up. From what I seen, the 22XE is great for both Torque and power gains too..also running on up about an extra 500-1k rpms over the Se-447 but might be more radical, and less mild on the valve springs (than the SE-447)..my remmendation is if you ride under 100mph, go the Wood's 22x or Se-447 with Power Vision, if you plan to take it past 100mph, go Wood's 22EX or comparable

[@GixxerFoo]

Only the touring bikes have the cat in the head pipe, everything else is in the mufflers. Now SE slip ons for touring bikes don't have cats, you get a full SE system and those mufflers do have the cats in them. The full SE system does eliminate the cat from the head pipe.

[@lawtondevil]

what about the m8 117

[@GixxerFoo]

I have been gathering some data on those, I've been curious to see what kind of power the aftermarket cams produce on those motors. Also any potential issues, shouldn't be any but you never know.

[@mrwhite2628]

Go ahead a put a Stage 40 in your brand new H-D V-twin. There are two words ready made for them. One is 'Money-pit'. The other is 'Time-bomb. Buy any other motorcycle and you don't have to spend a fortune to get it to perform like it should have to begin with.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's true, not going from the crank up can cause some issues.

[@cheby56]

WhTs your point?

[@mrwhite2628]

@@cheby56 Too subtle for you?

[@cheby56]

@@mrwhite2628 haters gonna hate! Too harsh for you??

[@54Bob]

22 flhxs 114 fullsac header krome werks muffs with power insert 447 cam power vision tuned throttle city levittown Pa. 106hp 122 tq

[@TeensierPython]

Does the CVO 117 come standard with the “torque cam” There’s no option for a torque cam from SE for the 117 I’d rather have the power cam though.

[@stevec8836]

Your videos are great . I have learned so much from them . I’ve got a stage 2 on a 107 m8 RKS with 447 SE cam . SE tuner . Question: I have installed bassani 2 into 1 2 headpipe ( no cat)and also have smart tune pro with the 18mm O2 sensors . Any chance I am making more power than chart you posted suggests? If so , how much more would you guess ?

[@snakebite6511]

Get a Dyno done and ou will know for sure rather than speculate

[@robertmatetich2898]

Just out of curiosity, how much do these changes cost per Ft-Lb and HP? Also what's the effect on mileage? Does it run hotter so as to require added cooling?

[@GixxerFoo]

Cost really depends on the dealer and their labor rate, if you do it at a dealer. From comments and my local dealer, cost average is $1200 and that is very high. Mileage should improve, but that's all dependenat on riding habits. If you're easy on the throttle it will take less throttle to produce the same amount of power you get with a stock cam. Now of you're wide open, no mileage just fun. With the M8 and it's stock oil cooler, a proper tune which adds more fuel, it would cool the bike down.

[@tyroneshoelace4872]

@@GixxerFoo I believe that fuel mileage will be worse. The engine requires more fuel to run properly no matter how you drive.

[@donwaltman4276]

I believe it would depend on intake, exhaust, cam, ect. Also, was the engine broke in properly or did they do burnouts in dealer parking lot? Once they figure out the rings didn't seal in , blow-by, sumping issues, you get the picture. Then sell it at a premium as "low miles". Buyer beware!!

[@tonybattaglio4625]

got the TQ kit on my 2019 flab really woke up the bike love it....got a 510g on my low rider , gotta work the motor to try to get it to the rpm range it likes, get the SE TQ on M8

[@tonybattaglio4625]

FLSB sport glide

[@tonybattaglio4625]

V&H fuel peak 3 , Bassani full exhaust, avon cleaner. FP3 is awesome..... sportster 68 tooth sprocket ( pulley) Its a beast!!!!

[@GixxerFoo]

Sounds like you put some solid work into your bike! I use the FP3 myself and l absolutely love it!

[@james4032]

I have purchased a 2021 Sport Glide with a M8 107 CI. I have 565 miles on it now, waiting to reach 1000 miles. Delivery date was the first of March. I have 60 days to install the Torque cam SE-447 with out the adjustable push rods.Harley has a SWR 60-day warranty rule, which is referred to as a “Sales & Warranty Registration” or “SWR” I am going to have a full Dyno, before and after. i will keep you in the loop on the information. I love the way the bike sets with a 25.7 seat, fits me well with a 30" inseam. Go Harley!

[@GixxerFoo]

Let me know what you get with that cam on the dyno!

[@michaelbradley907]

I took my 2021 SG Standard into the Harley dealer today, to get a Stage II done. I was going to go with the Power cam, but everyone and everything I read said to go with the Torque cam. That's what I changed my mind to. Should be out of the shop tomorrow or Friday morning. I will let you know! I got the 4.5" Khromewerks mufflers, Screamin Eagle high intake breather (least expensive one, looks stock) and the Pro Street Tuner. I'll see how it goes. Hoping to kick it in the nutz a bit lol. The Stage 1 helped a lot from stock, but I wanted more! :) I ride 2-up frequently, and in Arizona, it's mountainous and constantly shifting sucks. I'm hoping my girl and I can take a nice long cruise soon, and really put it to the test. I have less thank 2k miles on my bike at the moment. Thanks GF!

[@GixxerFoo]

You'll really appreciate that torque cam, especially where you're riding! I think you made a great choice, that torque cam gives up nothing to the power cam especially down low. Even on the top end the power cam barely, I mean maybe edges it out. The power cam might feel faster in the upper RPM range but it's not enough to write home about in my opinion.

[@james4032]

There are not that many 107 CI in your reviews. I have about 325 miles to go before i hit 1000 miles. I want the pistons to be nice and seated before doing a full dyno pulls. I have purchased a vance and hines two into one pro pipe. Going to install the steaming eagle ventilator breather with the SA8-447 cam. The dyno's will be from a factory set up to the stage 2. I was surprised how much the Milwaukee 8 has over the EVO's. I am getting excited the closer i get to the 1000 mile mark. Thanks for your video, it's the best one out there so far.

[@GixxerFoo]

107 is a really stout engine, it has the shorter stroke but it remind of the Twin Cam 95. The Twin Cam 95 with the short stroke runs very strong, those 107's pull really hard even converted to a 114. They don't give up much to the 114 when you get a good cam in them, it's going to be a whole new bike when you get that installed!

[@wb4514]

My 2019 RK has just under 2K miles with a stage 1 upgrade. I know the proper sequence would be 2021 oil pump, new cam plate, new lifters and torque cam. Can I just do the cam, and probably cam bearings, but hold off on the cam plate, oil pump and lifters ? Thanks !

[@GixxerFoo]

You could but you'd have to get back into the engine twice, if you're doing the work yourself it's just time. But if you're paying someone to do the work it would be more cost effective to do it all at once.

[@jerrygaona6162]

@GixxerFoo I noticed that on the Harley cams they do not include an inner camshaft bearing like every other camshaft manufacturer. Is it because the Harley cams are not as radical as the aftermarket or is it because Harley Parts match up with Harley parts and the aftermarket cams want to make sure their cams are matched up with their bearings? I also noticed that I cant find an upgraded Screaming Eagle bearing for the M8 like you used to for the Twin Cam. Anyways I bought the Torque Cam kit for my 2017 Limited and am waiting for the time to install it and find out if a new inner cam bearing is required ?

[@GixxerFoo]

Good question, it looks like the bearings don't come with the Stage 2 Kits on the M8. It shows it on the break down with the installation instructions and lists it as a service to part to be replaced if needed. I wouldn't chance it putting in a new cam with a used and go ahead and put some fresh bearing in.